Why there aren't more Colonial Latin America settings?
>>94022834People would complain on behalf of the people who would be into it.See: Speedy Gonzalez
>>94022834Because it would either devolve into Atrocity Propaganda, or thinly-veiled BWC fetishism.
>>94022928Maya and the Three (and technically el tigre) could work as a basis. Granted that'll be a more squeaky-clean kid friendly setting but still. Bunch of meso-american gods acting up, selecting champions, all of a sudden a new religious faction shows up and throws the whole pantheon into a uproar.
>>94022834General ignorance. That's the answer. Most people not in the latin-world don't really know all that much about it. >>94022928I respect the BWC stuff though, since it's not a fetish aimed at racist cuckolds.
>>94023003I'm also reminded of Mucha-Lucha. Honestly a world where everything runs of the logic of mexican wrestling sounds like a fun one to explore. You could do a lot and then any conflict that arises gets solved by flashing wrestling moves, and everyone goes along with it.
Because the most interesting part of the setting would be the Mesoamerican stuff but the entire point of Colonial Latin America is snuffing that out.
>>94023020Kinda like the GuacaMelee game?
>>94022834>La MalincheDamn, Cortés had a good eye
>>94023038It was a long process. There are still Mayans and Aztecs nowadays, they just live on reservations. Plus you can always take artistic license in an original setting and give the two sides more parity to keep things interesting. Make it more like say Colonial India or something.
>>94022834art that's so bad with anatomy so shit, AI slop would be an improvement. so bad it triggers revulsion
>>94023105Sure, but the point is what OP wants (Chel getting railed by Conquistadors while Nick Fuentes chants "based") isn't what people would actually find interesting about that place and time. Early Modern fantasy but with jungles and Adventuradors instead of Adventurers is boring, and you can't really introduce the actually interesting stuff (the Mesoamericans) without moralizing the narrative (either the Mesoamericans are the good guys or the bad guys).
>>94023187You could split the difference by having Orcs be the evil Aztecs and Elves be the good Mayans or something.
>>94023161Imagine being this gay.>>94023197That could actually work.
>>94023197That doesn't make any sense.
>>94023204>the mesoamericans were LE CRINGE and EVIL and SATANIC because they did HUMAN SACRIFICE (which is super BASED when jews do it but super CRINGE when gentiles do it) and they are DUMB and put BONES in their NOSESOrcs.>the mesoamericans were an advanced society with complex sciences and arcane arts whose civilization collapsed slightly before the arrival of the spanish leading to their weakened population being taken over by a more organized military power from abroadElves.
>>94023216>dumb assumptions without context for empty pandering to retardsAbsolute dogshit.
>>94023187Well obviously white people are evil, we don't need to reinvent the wheel here or something. But why don't you talk about the parts that you think are interesting and we can talk about that? >>94023197Not that crazy considering the Aztecs were considered invaders from the north that had relatively recently taken over. I'd also point out you could flesh out other factions like the Toltecs (precursors) or the Zapotec. Apache raiders, or Pueblo societies. Jungle Amazons are just a gimme.
>>94023233Damn, it sounds like you have deeply held opinions on this topic and know everything about it! I'm sure your next post will be erudite and informed and not just braindead seething about getting made fun of for a walking stereotype!
>>94023241The thing is, the Aztecs were three different city-states in alliance(Tenochtitlan, Texcoco, and Tlacopan), so one race doesn't exactly make sense for them when the founding myth of northmen migrating at the behest of the God of War to a shitty death swamp lake only applies to one of them. So if each city-state is then its own different fantasy race you quickly reach a glut as everyone of the mayor powers was dozens such city-states together.
>>94023306Ogres, hobgoblins off the top of my head. Goblins, Trolls. Sentient skeletons. Kobolds. Gnomes.
>>94023318The only ones that should have undead are the Inca, and that's because of their mummy emperors.
>>94023358I think the blood sacrifice justifies a lot of skeletons. That and the day of the dead festival.
>>94023363Everyone did human sacrifice though, and day of the dead is mostly about the spirits of the departed visiting their loved ones rather than army of darkness. Also the Mexica had a belief that warriors came back as humming birds, so you could instead have ghostly warriors in ornamental hummingbird armor in there.
>>94023306The Greeks were city-states as well but still had a unified culture/people. Just expand the alliances territory a bit and you're good. Same gods, similar cultures an dit works out. The conquistadors could even force them to work together more even.>>94023318A,so Goddamn do none of you know about Warhammer LizardMen. Literally Meso-American Fantasy race. Literally
>>94023401>attacked by a flock of hummingbirds with military training
Because it would be too based.
>>94023435Same anon, slight addendum; *Rember Lizardmen.Forgot I was on /Tg/
>>94023435Warhammer Lizardmen are a better fit for SEA than the americas.
>>94023451SEA?
>>94023202does your brain turn off when you see any depiction of a woman's ass? subhuman.
>>94023458South East Asia. One of the most definitive things about prehispanic Latin America was the lack of beasts of burden of any type. Meanwhile the lizardmen have cavalry and beasts of war, which combines with the gold excess to match them better.
>>94023187>Early Modern fantasy but with junglesThat's completely and utterly wrong. Colonial Latin America has so much potential for a cool and distintive campaign setting that is not even funny.- You have the Spanish with their Empire building based on Baroque architecture, going out to conquer new territories and bring civilization upon savages and discovering all sort of ancient ruins.- Then you have the Portuguese, sometimes allied to the Spanish and sometimes their rivals. They are profitmaxxing with their trade Indian and African trade, all the way to Japan.- You have the French, these guys seem like small fray just pretending to be fancy and stuff. In reality they're slavemaxxing and generating more profit from their slave colonies than half the continent.- There's the English, who are also taking any opportunity to take a slice of the pie and attacking colonies with their piracy.- You have small players that act like wild cards, such as the Dutch and independent pirates.- All of this while a lot of the mesoamerican stuff, including their ancient ruins and people are still around, some on the side of the Spanish and others still trying to keep their pagan rites.- Hundreds of brown babes everywhere.I could keep going and going. But Colonial Latin America is peak fiction.
>>94023575Something I think is funny about the pirate era, is who was or wasn't a pirate depended very much on political borders. 'Privateer' is a meaningless distinction unless they are privateering for your country. So the Spanish have a pretty large list of pirates you don't often see in the Anglophone world which remembers them instead as privateers.
>>94023187>>94023575Early Colonial America was about the only time the stereotypical JRPG-style "adventurer as a profession" was a reality, while you had both the last generation of knights, the earliest generations of what would be recognized as American minutemen and cowboys, and samurai all in existence at once.
>>94023038Debatable. MtG made a set with Aztec dino-riders and vampire conquistadors and people still liked the conquistadors.
>>94023990Samurai would exist for a good long while, about up until the Meiji Restoration, with the failure of the attempted Samurai rebellion.
>>94022834My kid's been watching Elena of Avalor. Surprisingly cool setting. Not sure how it made it past the purity-testers at Disney, other than "we gave the Spanish colonial ruling class tans, so it's okay now."
>>94022834Because the writers see potential reference material and become too horny to finish a polished product.
>>94022834Same reason there isn't more early modern settings in general; you have to include firearms or it just doesn't feel right. Perhaps more importantly and specifically related to a colonial setting is that it's a pretty politically charged setting with more nuance to it than anybody wanting to make money is willing to deal with.
A couple brazilian writers tried to make a setting based on colonial Brazil back in the nineties. It was called Desafio dos Bandeirantes (Challenge of the Bandeirantes). Bandeirantes being a mix of explorers and mercenaries that would make expeditions to char the jungle, make contact with and/or enslave the natives, start settlements, that kind of stuff. It was mix of historic with brazilian legends.It was apparently based on GURPS, had a core book and a couple adventures, and some teachers even tried to use it as a teaching tool for history. One of those 'make learning fun' programs that some times happen.The authors have tried to bring it back for D20 and D&D 5e but both got cancelled without seeing print.
Too historical. I know what happened there. With medieval Europe or Asia? Much vaguer. Good for fantasy.
The only countries that would be interested in this are too poor to afford games and too unsafe for people to get together and play. Meaning you only have Europe as a viable market and they're not gonna want a setting that reminds them of the many atrocities committed for the sake of resource extraction so it'd be so heavily sanitized and white washed that it might as well not be based on that time period at all.
>>94023306Trolls?
>>94023012It literally is.
>>94024554Nah. See both blacked and bleached porn is aimed at white men. Every black guy I've heard broach the subject feels blacked porn makes them very uncomfortable. They already get treated more as a skin color than a person in real life, and they don't need it in their porn. So the real difference is that bleached porn can be racist, but it can also be about wanting a girl to be really into having sex with you (naturally white people don't have the same hangups about being treated like a fetish). Blacked porn however is for the guys who are racist enough that a black man having sex with a woman bothers them, but not so racist they won't still jack off to it. The wanting women to fuck you for being white might still be racist, but at least it's ideologically simpler. And not about NTR which is for trash human beings.
>>94024686Except it is. You said as much.
>>94024686a sensible-ish perspective. not bad
Just hopping in to say that this was a cool thread with interesting bits to learn from and look into, keep up the good work anons.
>>94023486>One of the most definitive things about prehispanic Latin America was the lack of beasts of burden of any typeLlamas in South America were used as pack animals
>>94022834>Hiya, I'm back! How about my old aimless bait thread?God, I really hoped you crawled into a hole and died this time, anon. Consider doing that, then.
>>94025726Lurk more.
>>94024686Know what, as someone that does a shitload of ERP I'm going to add to this from personal experience.I've never met someone that was into bleached who was a cuckold, it's all either white guys who like being in the driver seat (Yo) or non-white girls that really want to be degraded and roughed up.One of the few times I interacted with someone who was into Blacked I asked them why they were into it and they just casually threw out 'It's degradation, like watching your girl get fucked by a dog'That's always stuck with me as well and truly fucked. And that's without getting into the whole depths of BNWO shit, because that stuff is a straight up genocide fetish.
>>94022834>Why there aren't more Colonial Latin America settings?We're all just gonna play the invading Spaniards and start ERPing
>>94025462And coincidentally the Inca were the only true empire and not a sphere of influence from a regional hegemon.
>>94022834What's with the recent wave of genzoslop hitting /tg/?
>>94022834Because if you make it historical it gets old really fast and if you make it fantasy always ends as lame and gay.>b-but real latin american settings has never been triedWhatever.
>>94023599>Something I think is funny about the pirate era, is who was or wasn't a pirate depended very much on political borders and all of them were englishwelp
>>94022928>Atrocity Propaganda?You don't have to play as the good guys on every campaign you know.
>>94022928I was already on-board, you don't need to sell me on it.
>>94022928Human sacrifice is not okay
>>94027407Why not, keeps life interesting and the gods happy.
>>94023401Everyone did not do human sacrifice, don't make excuses
>>94027438Well considering the Aztecs lost with a homefield advantage against the Spanish it didn't help make their happy gods watch over them
>>94022834My setting is French America colonial, which is more based.
>>94027438There is no such thing as a god.
>>94022834Because if anyone does it. They would be called racist, and they would be "stealing" from someone else culture, however if they were from said culture. People wouldn't join in too much. They might buy it at most but wouldn't really play too much.A big reason why people always tend to go for the European-like fantasy world for most of their TTRPG is that's the norm. It doesn't matter if you're White, Black, Asian, Latino, Arab, etc. When it comes down to it. DND, as well as LOTR, Conan, and Elric all locked in the set fantasy style as Middle Ages European. You might add Some Greek/Roman and Vikings to fill it out. Just look at most fantasy, even not written by a white guy. It's still mostly the same unless they make it a big thing that it's "X," and half the time, it's European fantasy with the "X" race added in, and they make a big deal about it. (It doesn't matter if we see countless people do the same thing but better, and it still doesn't change what people think about fantasy compared to others. They're different.) It's like why you will see few Martial Arts settings outside of the classic Japanese/Chinese Dojo or Temple themes. You might get something like Karate Kid and all. Which is different in that it's in the current day America. (Well 80s, then 2010s.) However, my point still stands.
>>94027407Correct. It's far better than just 'okay'.
>>94027544Fuck you, Brazilians do it all the time.
>>94027544Forgot image.
>>94022834I respect your desire to thirstpost brown women with a worthless surveypost thread, but you could at least use Chel instead of AI sloppa.
>>94024083>MtG made a set with Aztec dino-riders and vampire conquistadors and people still liked the conquistadors.Absolutely based
>>94022834Because anything that isn't D&D or D&D at home sells like shit. When was the last time a non "totally not pop medieval fantasy Europe" sold decently? L5R?
>>94027544Japanese always self-insert themselves into the predominantly Euro medieval fantasy worlds they create
>>94029222Anon that clearly not AI. Everything is clean and hands are correct.And there's a water mark in the corner,
I wrote the author telling them I'd pay higher premium but who knows how many prints he ran. I know you read /tg/ and you likely know who I am, so hook me up I'll forward the money.
>be white guy>make colonial ttrpg setting>instantly canceled for cultural appropriation, white washing, white supremacy, etc.>kicked out of industry, always known as the guy who made the racist game>reputation will always follow you no matter what you do, permanantly denied from many spaces unless you're rich as fuck>access to being rich as fuck even restricted due to connections being lost due to avoidance of even associating with you (another road to being canceled)>be native north/south american>don't even know what ttrpgs areThere you go, that's why
>>94029222>ai sloppaFound the moron.
>>94022834desu you could just make a homebrew session set in fantasy south america where the party is sent to explore and try not to die from having the shits out in the jungle while having to deal with the totally not Aztec BBEG empire who are ones with nature magic tribal mumbo jumbo or give them the gunpowder weaponry to put the players on edge of getting a golf ball size hole in the face like this shithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6ZnY5AwgU8&t=16s
>>94022919Speedy Gonzalez is fine because he's a likeable character. The Mexican viewers like feeling included.>>94022834Because colonialism is a touchy subject, and a lot of stuff we know about the people who were invaded was lost due to the colonizers.
>>94023003Based anon of good taste. And yes, Maya and the Three is essentially an epic, high magic fantasy adventure set in mythical Mexico and South America. I'm still pissed that we're never going to see Kung-Fu Space Punch, the sequel set in the distant future of that setting because Netflix is retarded.
>>94030817Well yeah that is why they said>on behalf of people who are into itPeople in mexico love speedy. Its just the tourists who get offended.
>>94030158I understand why he thought it was since the background guys are complete shit and the foreground anatomy is bastardized, distorted, and coomerfied. But it's probably just one of the bespoke sloppa merchants who got scraped and make the algo look extra shit in the first place.
>>94027440Literally every culture does human sacrifice. Secular americans do human sacrifice, even. For their god Number-Go-Up. People don't value other people as much as they value personal power.
>>94031195Genzoman has done a bunch of freelance work for like 20 years. Like I am talking 1200+ pieces of art. Some of that is private comissions, others are professional work for like card games, board games, etc.
>>94031207Yes, and? People have been willing to pay for incompetence for thousands of years.
>>94031233Okay, so where is your artwork?
>>94022834>Why there aren't more Colonial Latin America settings?Genshin Impact' Natlan though... Yes I'm shouting it out because I play it, and yes, it is based from Latin America. Despite the drama and controversy it has/had.
>>94024294Warhammer also has early modern firearms and it works just fine
>>94022834>so heres my unique setting>with thinly veiled analogies to still existing nations>with thinly veiled analogies to still existing cultures>I will attempt to remain neutral while obviously glorifying the rape of the natives>or highlighting their most controversial aspects of their cultures>the races are Elves, Dwarves, Orcs, and other European races which have little to do with the New World
>>94031368brave. bold. utterly brave based and bold mihoyoslopchugger. we need more heroes like you to combat the haters...
>>94022928I'm thinking based
>>94030366> Be white> Make colonialist setting> Get canceled for cultural appropriationIsn't colonialism a white thing to do though? How's it appropriation of culture if it's a why guy making something about stuff that white people do?
>>94031433The question was why aren't colonial LatAm settings more common not why don't they exist at all. Warhammer very easily proves that firearms fit in fantasy just fine but that doesn't change the fact that a large contingent of fantasy fans exist that will instinctively recoil in disgust when they even so much as get a whiff of gunpowder.
>>94022834Try looking at Ixalan from Magic: the Gathering. Assuming that dinosaurs aren't a deal-breaker.
>>94031573Plus its just the old trope of "technologically advanced empire fights less advanced empire". 1700s guns are such an easy shorthand for that.
>>94027544Colonial settings are European settings you dumb dingus. The new continent was Spain + Portugal + France + England
Shadows of Brimstone got an conquistador-themed expansion recently
>>94022834Pic, Princess Reconquista, currently in development in asia. (NSFW latin america vs conquistadors game.)
>>94031297Louvre.
>>94031368>>94031486But why are they White though? For a hot/tropical South American type of region, there are plenty whities and crackers and not enough melanin in their bones.
>>94032276>But why are they White though? White people were very under-represented in ancient south american cultures, so they are simply making an effort to increase diversity by adding a more minority characters.
>>94027407>I care because... um.... a desert religion told me to
>>94027451and I'm sure things have been great for the region since they stopped. Spain has been winning non stop since then.
>>94023197I did on my 3.5 setting about 2 decades ago. Drows are called chenekes by the Aztec orcs. Instead of gruumsh it's huichilopoztli. The orc priests are vampires another reason for all the blood sacrifices and instead of sacrificing people for a new sunrise they sacrifice people for another sundown. Orcs and their priests find the sun as a curse. The eye of hichilopoztli and if they don't sacrifice more victims the eye would stay in the sky forever. Mayans are sun elves and their civilization is almost extinct.
Not to rain on anyones parade, but what about Tekumel?
>>94022834You just want to rape native girls that have no concept of legal age.
>>94033631No no, he wants to be the one captured and ritually sacrificed by native >>94033631girls
>>94022834>Why there aren't more Colonial Latin America settings?Nobody will buy it:>Latam people that is just poor and trying to survive>Some nerd spics, that are also poorSimply it doesn't makes enough market.
>>94022834Because it's surrounded by sensitive topics and alternative versions of the same history. If you want to make a game about it you need to pick a side, and it probably won't even be that successful.If I were to try and make something about it I would have the setting be around one of the many battles the Portuguese and Spanish empires had against others during the later stages of slavery, since that would allow the player to pick a side by himself if he cares about that stuff, plus there are many interesting possibilities with trying to keep an empire together.
>>94033792>you can't play a game based on latin america colonization if you aren't latamWhy, cultural appropriation or something? Are you a SJW or soccer mom?
>>94033974You have your brain rotted, anglo, almost nobody cares about latam and spaniard history out of their own countries, wich makes a game based in the setting a very probable comercial failure.
>>94033821I'm pretty sure nobody likes the Aztec Empire on either side of the spectrum. Cortés and his entourage are are a pretty safe pick if you don't want to depict every Spaniard as an evil Conquistador, while his regional allies provide a wide variety of backgrounds to set an adventure or draw a party from.
>>94034159I meant more regarding the slavery and smaller tribes, because I wrote thinking more about South America, but you bring up a good point when it comes to the bigger empires and stuff. My point was, how would you portray slavery and fighting up significantly smaller tribes without "picking a side"? I feel like that's a very thin line you would be walking on
>>94022834Dark eye - Al Anfa / Mengbilla and other places are exactly what you want.
>>94023575>gorget when she's clearly just wearing gambeson and no pl8This angers me.
>>94033974>you can't play a game based on latin america colonization if you aren't latamWhere did I wrote this? Mighty reading comprehension failure anon.
>>94027030As someone whose ancestors were chased out of France for piracy and then moved to England and kept doing it, it's not about nationality, it's about lifestyle.
>>94022834>YWN be a Conquistachad sailing in search of gold and brown girlsFeels bad man.
>>94023435>Warhammer LizardMenoutside of the aesthetic, they don't really have anything in common with historical South/central American societiesWF even downplays the obvious conquistadors for the Chaos-aligned Norscans as the main human faction in their South America expy.
>>94035479Back in my WHFB days the had these guys. I don't even remember their lore, lol
>>94035893Ah yes the Italian pikemen.
>>94035448They're called expats now
>>94035893they still had Conqustidors but compared to Skeggi they don't show up that muchlook at the recent WFRP Lusria book an entire section on Skeggi but only a single paragraph on the Spanish expy influence on the continent
>>94033821>sensitive topicsshut it fag
>>94022928Second one sounds great desu. Get on it fa/tg/uys
>>94029222More Chel, MOOOOAAAR!!!
>>94040449NEVER GOON
the only thing that gets me about bleaching is people meme about it till they see the results of it(me), then they say I'm not white(ok, fair I guess), I'm ugly(thanks), and I get barred from identifying with any racial group
>>94042900Enough time and you guys can band into a big enough new ethnic group and start doing your own things. Drink a bunch of Coronas while playing warhammer and have your wives bring you semi spicy casserole
>>94035448You should see the real women that lives in south america...
Aren't most LatAm mestizos anyway? Im not sure they are that ashamed of their ancestry as Anglos.
>>94022834Plenty of Conquistadors were quite impressed by Native Americans works and civilization. They were not necessarily sneering imperialists. In fact, the ability to ally with local tribes was the key to their success.
>>94027544Why is medieval fantasy so fetishized anyway? Is it because Anglos constantly masturbate about it, for some reason, since at least Victorian times?
>>94031573Because they are morons who know less about history than the average Crusader Kings II player and don't understand the origins of the genre. Hell, they even think that knights in full plate armor coexisted with vikings and don't understand that they've guys were separated by several centuries.
>>94043577No, not really, but there is much more race mixing that with anglos.
>>94043577>Spanish - Conqueror>English - Colonizer
>>94043590I've always thought of the comparison as the spanish worked with natives and the english worked the natives. Then again, the spanish and portugese where the only ones to actually integrate and interbreed with them.
>>94043577It's not a shame thing anon. People just don't like those that brutally oppressed them for centuries even if they're blood related.
>>94043590They enacted a racial caste system and had laws in place to prevent the natives from doing things such as getting land, riding on horses, or have swords. They also enslaved them alongside the Africans. It was only getting constantly defeated by other indigenous groups that they reversed these in order to get further compliance and thus soldiers from the population.While it wasn't as big an industry as in the USA because they had a racial underclass built in to their system, the colonies never abolished slavery and it took the very bloody wars of independence for that to finally be axed. The refusal to back away from slavery is a key part in particular for Mexican independence, as the last revolutionary that wouldn't agree to the new constitution was himself black(native mother, father was Spanish and African mix) and thus kept up the struggle to the point the new liberal monarchy that took up the Spanish crown annoyed the Spanish troops to the point mist deserted to join the independence movement instead.
>>94024391Guess how I know you have never been to Europe.
>>94032010The art on the box is pure retardation.
>>94044416>Literal human crocks.What makes you lose your shit?
>>94022928>Because it would either devolve into Atrocity Propaganda, or thinly-veiled BWC fetishismSpbp
>>94022834We already had it and it was pure kino
>>94027451They lost against Tlaxcalan and other revolting tribes. All Spaniards (who hoscillated between 500 and 1400 at most) had to do was convincing mesoamerican populations to join them and overthrow Tenochtitlan.
>>94045214To be fair they brought some firepower to tip the scales, but yeah, the Mexicans defeated the Mexicans, not the Spaniards.
>>94045361During the siege of Tenochtitlan, a good chunk of firepower went kaboom after the second hit in a tragicomic way. It's also worth noticing that the major slaughters (Massacro del Templo Mayor, Cholula) was done by swords.But ye, Mexicans were defeated by Mexicans, but don't tell that to people who can only scream "colonialism is le evil". Not that I'm justifying conquistadores, mind you, but history is not that banal.Cavalry was actually more relevant than gunpowder.
>>94045214>All Spaniards had to do was convincing mesoamerican populations to join themOh gee, they must have worked really hard for it seeing as everyone hated the fucking Aztecs for being bloodthirsty savages that would hunt other tribes for sport and sacrifice.
>>94046164Except that's not true, as virtually no cities allied to Tenochtitlan revolted against them. Whom did side readily against them were already hostile enemy nations like the Tlaxcala.
>>94046204Not true, Tenocha were hated by pretty much everyone around them, e.g. the Totonac. Tlaxcala was simply the most prominent and relevant adversary.After the events of La Noche Triste and Otumba Texcoco betrayed Tenochtitlan too.Montecuzoma's endgame was to unite all the cities around them against the invader, that's probably why he invited Cortes into his city. Unfortunately for him, things escalated too much and he quickly lost control.
>>94044324>brutally oppressedNo such thing.
Any good Colonial setting must have a government of brown women matriarchy. Which you get to conquer by diplomacy or force.
>>94039474Sorry, """sensitive topics""", I agree with you, it's all bullshit
>>94025462>Llamas in South America were used as pack animals"Year 53: Still no progress on project 'cavalry'. If the rider is heavier than a child or small woman thats too heavy, and even light riders damage the spine of the animal after just a few hours."
>>94044324I know there are niggas that become distressed when they learn they have white ancestry in DNA test, same as Neo-Nazis discovering that they aren't as white as they think they are.
>>94047824It's a shame South America never invented the Wheel. I wonder what Liama war chariots would have looked like
>>94044344So what about the part that most of the transatlantic jewish run slave trade was to Mexicans and Caribbean sugar plantations?
>>94043635Because it's part of the history of the people who were the only ones to ever invent anything
>>94042900That's because you aren't part of any racial group, your parents fucked you more than a rabbi in a tunnel
>>94047824>>94048081Yeah because the Inca would've made a great use of cavalry and chariots in their mountains, you fucking retards.
>>94043635Anglo masturbation material.
>>94031533Cus jews in publishing don't like it when white people start remembering times when they conquered and educated lesser races, and especially not if it covers why they were kicked out of 109 nations for the same tunnel shit
>>94048081Yes they fucking did, they were used in toys and decorations.
>>94031203Not until the 1500's big dawg. But hey, they made peanut butter and pick all the fruits way below market price, so what's a little cartel here and there?
>>94022834America doesn't want Mexico to realize they were the crown viceroyalty, not a colony. And that independence was a mistake.
>>94044344>They also enslaved them alongside the AfricansThey literally didn't. First thing Isabel did was decree indigenous people free, that's why they imported nogs.
>>94049549And this was ignored. The Spanish funded further expansion by selling captured natives, you saw this especially in places like Chile.
>>94022834If you want a good bit of inspiration, the War God trilogy from Graham Hancock is a great bit of historical fiction that shows both sides of the conflict between Cortez and Montezuma, and the brutality of both sides, with just enough supernatural stuff happening for it to dip its toes in fantasy territory.
On the subject of using Lizardmen for inspiration, I do enjoy doing this myself. They can be a bit of a caricature at times, but they are overall pretty awesome. Here's a scan i have posted a few times from the WD article i loved the most, a massive diorama of a lizardmen city under attack.
>>94050419Stop making shit up, faggot. Spaniards didn't relay in slave labor, period. The whole continent was managed the same as in Europe. This whole moralfaggotry is boring.
>>94050530No brown girls, no buy.
>>94022834There aren't a lot of books in Latin America.
>>94023012>BWC stuff>not a fetish aimed at racist cuckoldsanon, you can't be serious...
>>94023187You don't need to "moralize" anything, simply depicting the mesoamericans as they were is sufficient to show the hideousness of their cultures, and that's the real reason this sort of game doesn't get made; the "muh ebil rapemonster huwhite conquistadors" narrative depends entirely on the fact most modern people are utterly ignorant of the cultures that existed prior to the colonial era, allowing dishonest shits like you to paint them as poor ickle babby victims to support your narrative of eternal guilt and atonement for modern white people.
>>94053991>depicting the mesoamericans as they wereBut that's racist in the current year!
>>94053991>depends entirely on the fact most modern people are utterly ignorant of the cultures that existed prior to the colonial eraYou retarded or something? Most people from former colonies are well aware of how brutal prehispanic societies could be, and they still find the Spanish more evil and repugnant.Considering they went up against guys that had giant skull racks and pyramids of baby skulls, that should tell you something.
>>94054058Lol they absolutely do not. The only people who hate Spaniards are woke leftoids.>t. Latino
>>94054181I implicitly believe you lying anonymous person. Spain is so beloved they were not violently overthrown from the continent and at least twice expelled from countries.
>>94054238Spain literally just joined an existing rebellion against the rulers because of how universally abhorred the current mesoamerican empire was. You're retarded and have no idea what you're talking about.t. not the spic
>>94054181eres grande latinobro!t.spanish
Make it canon that Hernan Cortés was the personification of Quetzalcoatl, summoned by those opressed by the sacrificial empire as to bring the end of the terror era.
>>94023306While technically the Aztecs were three city states in alliance, technically Rome was also an alliance of city-states for much of its history. Tenochtitlan dominated the others completely.
>>94043635If you're uncreative you don't want to be creative, so you copy the slop that is pseudo-medieval fantasy. It's been chewed up and regurgitated so many times that it's comfortable and bland.Even Japan does it via Dragon Quest and the like.
>>94054058>parroting several centuries old anglo propagandaEbin!
>>94054238Mmm yes, that's why those Spanish colonies got rid of all the Spanish stuff right anon. Like they stopped speaking the language, returned to traditional architecture and ways of living, revived their own forms of music & art, and in all things reviled the works and culture of their despised rulers, right? Oh, they didn't? They kept all of that, because despite seeing themselves as distinct from the colonial power they felt had become uncaring and distant, they still viewed themselves as far more Spaniard than "native" who they still viewed as backwards savages, who even to this day are marginalised? Interesting. It's almost as if you're full of shit...
>>94049549Ever heard of encomiendas?
>>94053991Mesoamericans were indeed brutal, though the degree to which is contested among actual historians. The claims of the Spanish themselves are wildly contradictory, and modern archeology has found that many are simply logistically impossible - for example, even the lower end claims about numbers of sacrifices would have depopulated the continent long before the Spanish arrived. Do we believe the monks telling us that every Aztec skinned a child alive, or the monks saying that the Mesoamericans and even the Aztecs were repulsed by European execution methods, finding them incomprehensibly cruel and without parallel in their own experiences? It can't be overstated that the ones reporting the former also just so happened to destroy basically all literature on the continent... in very much the way of a guilty person trying to scour away evidence contravening their position would.Anyway, you're unironically proving the guy you're quoting right. You claim there's no need to moralize, then immediately moralize about which society you think was better.
>>94054813>It can't be overstated that the ones reporting the former also just so happened to preserve and translate basically all literature on the continentAgain, you're a retard parroting Anglo propaganda.
>>94054853Why do you choose such utterly ridiculous lies. The remaining literature we have from Mesoamerican cultures are tiny fragments. We know for a fact that all the greatest archives were destroyed by the Spanish.
>>94054864>We know for a factSauce?
>>94054875Attestations from the Spanish themselves. Also, we have fucking gigantic holes in codex-based historical record, consistent with much larger bodies of work that have been mostly destroyed. It's why, frankly, most research into ancient Mesoamerica is based in archeology rather than textual study. The Spanish fucking destroyed the vast majority of writing, leaving only a comparative handful of codices and inscriptions spared, generally by monks that were not as psychopathic as their colleagues working with with locals to hide and translate what they could.
>>94054875When the Spanish arrived in larger cities, they described massive libraries full of hundreds or even thousands of books (their wording; obviously they weren't 'books' in the exact construction method we use, or libraries in the sense we understand: it'd be more apt to call them archives). During the conquest, these structures were pillaged and destroyed, and only about two dozen codices of far, far more have ever been found and translated. The rest were pretty obviously burned.
>>94054942Not to mention you have friars in the decades after boasting about how many books they found and burned. Diego de Landa, who basically built his entire career up to and beyond bishophood upon his fervor for destroying Mesoamerican texts, is the most famous, but there are hundreds more.
>>94054238>lying anonymous personVaya tonto eres, amigo.If you had read a book in your life you will know that the wars in Latin America were civil wars. They didn't "kill le evil Spaniards" they were killing their own people, they destroyed the continent. Spain was under Napoleon and barely send any soldiers.And the worst part is that you seem to be under the impression that it was some war for liberating the poor Indians. Simón Bolívar literally said that all Indians and niggers are subhumans and should be killed.Just stop derailing the thread with this propaganda.
>>94022834I think most people just find it depressing.>multiple city states toil under the oppressive reign of a warlike empire>suddenly, outsiders appear with interesting new technology and armaments>the city states are convinced by the explorers to rise up and destroy their oppressors>the explorers repay them by turning on them, destroying their cities, killing millions, burning their records and scouring away their cultures, enslaving many of them and putting the rest under a more organized form of oppression>later, the descendants of the explorers destroy one another in a bunch of brutal civil wars, plunging the entire continent into chaos againThe narrative structure of Mesoamerican history is tragic as fuck.
It's uninteresting.
>>94024264>polished productThey get too occupied polishing something else eh?
>>94029222I'll be honest. The hottest Chel moment is when she runs to Tulio and aggressively checks if he's hurt like she's really worried.
>>94055349Wholesome
>>94055068>feathered serpent god>death cults cutting out the hearts of captured sacrifices to appease their gods>jaguar warriors with weapons that can slice an unarmored man open with ease, but are focused more on capturing people alive for sacrificing them>gold in abundance>dangerous jungles with stone pyramids poking above the canopy>a new foreign power colonizing the coasts, and bringing disease with them. they are armored, and wield weapons that can kill from a great distance.>uninterestingthis is all before i got into the fantasy twists you can add to this. There's a ton of potential in all different eras of history, but this one feels special to me.
>>94055495Some faggots are so braindead that they are only loyal to their D&Dogshit settings.
>>94055495>>feathered serpent godgenuinely cool but I can export it to a better setting>>death cults cutting out the hearts of captured sacrifices to appease their godsmeh, that's every demonic cult ever.>>jaguar warriors with weapons that can slice an unarmored man open with ease, but are focused more on capturing people alive for sacrificing themthey look like kids in animal pjs.also it's not particularly had to slice an unarmored man open with a weapon lol>>gold in abundancecould do some interesting things with it but doesn't need to be mesoamerican.>>dangerous jungles with stone pyramids poking above the canopyonly interesting as a lost civilization>>a new foreign power colonizing the coasts, and bringing disease with them. they are armored, and wield weapons that can kill from a great distance.cool as a concept, but the spanish just looks too silly to make it worth anything
>>94055643Keep playing Faggots & Freaks, cuck.
>>94044905I concur.This time around, I'll throw in some Aguirre, Dark of the Sun and Apocalypse Now too.
>>94048081>WheelThey had naturally big hipped, big tiddied bitches that were so fine that even spaniards admitted they were better looking than anyone in EuropeWho needs a wheel when they had everything they needed right there?
>>94057231Fair point.
>>94057231>Who needs a wheel when they had everything they needed right there?I've had a theory about that for a while, adversity from the environment driving innovation. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's thought about it. No need to advance culture when the world already provides you what you need. If you're already at the top of your food chain, the only thing that upsets that is someone else more advanced coming in to take over. Happened in Africa, the Americas, Australia, and numerous other places. It's like nature fucking you over for setting you up in a better starting location.
>>94058241>No need to advance culture when the world already provides you what you need. If you're already at the top of your food chain, the only thing that upsets that is someone else more advanced coming in to take over. Happened in Africa, the Americas, Australia, and numerous other places.This is a sloppy homebrew version of the cold winters hypothesis, and the approximately one billion other factors that fed into historical tech disparities. Africa is the only place on Earth where humans *aren't* on top of the food chain, for one thing. Elephants consistently bullied pre-gunpowder Bantus off their farmland.
>>94022834You mean traditional games?
>>94057231>big tiddied bitches that were so fineHere you have your super hot bit tiddied bitches.
>>94061043Coca cola and its consequences have been a disaster for the Hispanic race.
>>94061116nice cope
>>94030817>Speedy Gonzalez is fine because he's a likeable character.He's an annoying little shit. Something is seriously wrong with you if you watch this type of cartoon and don't root for Sylvester, Tom, Wile E. Coyote or Elmer Fudd.
>>94061242>joyless cuntChecks out.
