>The utiity of a horse combined with a humans upper limbs and ability to speak/understand speechWhy haven't Centaurs been enslaved/domesticated in most fantasy settings, given how useful they would be to human and non-human civilizations?
Centaurs are fake and gay.Satyrs are bros
>>94025992To support a human upper body a centaur would be almost 3 meters tall.
>>94025992>domesticatedI think when you do it to a person it's called slavery.
>>94026018Yes, and...?>bewilderedprofessor.jpg
>>94026062He literally said enslaved. What the fuck is wrong with your reading comprehension?
>>94025992They were enslaved by the most powerful imperial faction in my setting. The centaurs made for an amazing labor force, at least until they began rebelling and finally broke free. And because history is cyclical, they are now themselves turning into an oppressive, military regime set on subjugation and conquest.
>>94025992>in most fantasy settingsThat IS what happens in most fantasy settings. What ones are you talking about?
>>94026089That's funny, I did the same thing except the Centaurs slowly earned they're freedom over generations as they paid themselves out of slavery and earned citizenship via military service to the empire because, surprise surprise, Centaurs make great cavalry when they actually have the incentive to fight hard. Also it's the Not!Roman empire because I'm a hack.
>>94026080Because pointing out that domestication isn't a useful comparison might help point to why: how the fuck are you going to enslave a race of people who are huge, stronger than you, and fast as shit? Horses are fully capable of killing you with a kick. Why would you want that to be a slave?
>>94025992Sounds like a good reason for them to kill non-centaur on sight.
>>94025992The intelligence of a man coupled with the strength of a horse implies a target for enslavement more troublesome than the slaves of human history. Say what you will about the conquered remnants of african peoples, but they couldn't crush a man's skull through brawn alone as easily as a horse can And if you have such an advantage over them already to nullify that kind of strength, you're probably socially/culturally past the point where they would be a decisive edge.
>>94025992Nigger, this is literally default state of affairs on majority of established fantasy setting: the centaurs are either enslaved or former slave race and absolutely hate it. And where they aren't, they are still in labour force since, duh.
>>94026112How will I accomplish that, you say? In a world inhabited by magical creatures, you say? Well, allow me to cast this straightforward spell:Kimbly-kablayphem!Heckmecketiy-hajick!Simply enslave 'emwith tech or with magic!Skippety-skoodle!Yoopeedan-yoosharted!Your dick is a noodleand your shit's all retarded!
>>94026171Give some examples please
>>94026200Nta, but even fucking Harry Potter does that. That's how widespread this is.
>>94025992For me, it's Dimeaurs.
>>94026299Eh, those are a dime a dozen
>>94026089Glory to Tengri Khan
>>94026355>after 200 years of mellowing out, becomes Tengri Yuan. The most>stabledynasty
Probably not worth the effort for a slave race. If you needed the arms of a man, there's plenty to go around. If you needed a horse, you'd tame a horse. If you needed both, you'd put a man on a horse. I can't really see the benefit of enslaving centaurs when both men and horses exist cheaply and abundantly in most settings.
>>94025992>Horses exist>Why don't people put the effort into conquering and enslaving an entire nation and generate an industry around keeping them in bondageBecause breeding horses has a higher ROI.>this is literally default state of affairs on majority of established fantasy settingBlatantly false nonsense you just made up.
>>94026358I see what you did there
>>94025992In my setting the centaurs are divided into three main races>southern steppe centaursTaller and larger than a human but smaller than a horse. The most dangerous of the three races, they control the vast grass steppes beyond the great desert of bad prices. They don't invade any further north because of the desert in the way, but if you do cross the desert, you run the risk of being extorted or sold into slavery if you piss off one of the local centaur khanates. Prefers light armour and ranged mobile warfare + lances + non-lethal capturing of enemies. Believes if they kill you they did a morally neutral thing, since you obviously had terrible karma if you were born as a non-centaur. All of the khanates are loosely federated under the farrier King, who was an elven slave who rose up the ranks thanks to his experience with caring for hooves. The farrier King despises elves for being the ones who killed his family and sold him into slavery to begin with>northern kingdom centaursThe largest of the centaur races, these ones are HUGE and eat loads everyday. The cataphract class of northern centaurs wear heavy armour and spend every day training with jousts and sparring, and have a strong sense of chivalric honour. More rogueish northern centaurs duel one another in the streets for the attention of fine ladies, with the duels often ending up bloody. Then you have the farmers, who are just simple farmers. The northern centaurs have the most % of centaurs living in urban centers, as a result they wear metal shoes, unlike the southern steppe centaurs. Northern kingdom shoes are very ornate symbols of pride and identity, but southern steppe centaurs ruthlessly mock any centaur they see wearing them.>great plateau centaursThe smallest of the centaurs, some are even smaller than humans. They live in the great mountainous regions of the world. They occasionally find employment in the lowlands, where their ability to climb near vertical walls is legendary
>>94026378I think most lords would do it sole purpose of not having to feed their horses AND their slaves.Also, having intelligent horses with arms that do not need to be trained to do what you need them to do sounds useful.>B-but how would they-Magic or advanced enough technology, I don't know.
The irony of using magic or tech to enslave centaurs is logically they should be capable of using that same tech or magic against their enslavers.
>>94026457Yes but it took the Egyptians 124 years to steal chariots from their conquerors.
>>94025992The same reason we can't do that with other primates.
>>94025992They have the strength and speed of a horse and the intelligence of a human. They'd make a terrible slave race. They are a pain in the ass to capture(see any nomadic horse riding race like the Mongols, Huns, Apache, Lakota, etc), they have major advantages that aid in running away after capture, they are prone to injury and disease.Slave races should be of equal or lesser physical prowess, and sourced from a location far enough away that escape and evasion are unlikely. The one reasonable role for centaur slaves I can think of would be as soldiers, however they'd likely be eunuch soldiers in order to reduce the wildness of the centaur.Centaurs are more likely to be major slavers themselves. Constantly raiding far flung civilizations and then selling captured artisans, women, and children at ports or on the other side of the steppe.
>>94026463Yeah but the Egyptians didn't have the builds and strengths of a Centaur. Presuming fantasy Centaurs have the same brain and capacity of learning as a regular human but also the advantages and disadvantages of a horse but unlike a horse it's far more intelligent and being able to utilize the motions and mechanical actions of its body for everything physical related.
>>94025992>One day Advisor Anon approaches the Empire's top military commander>We need to enslave some centaurs>"But why?" Asked the commander>Centaurs combine all the physical utility and ability of a horse with the intelligence and communication of a man. Think of what great bounty they could bring to our Empire!>"They would also bring the power of mighty warriors, with the minds of cunning tacticians within our walls. I fear we would struggle to control them. The risks far outweigh the benefits - I would much rather we focus on training our Knights to fight centaurs, than training centaurs to know how we fight.">Advisor Anon leans in close to the commander>Don't you see commander? This is the Emperor's fetish. Imagine the Emperor riding big breasted beast women all day with a riding crop in his hand. This is his vision of the future. Who are we to stand in the way of progress?>"I see. I will do what must be done," the commander said grimly
>>94026479That's cool and all, but what if their enslavers have magic?
>>94026486You would need a shitload of magic and to completely outnumber the centaurs at least 5:1 because i'm not sure you realise how dangerous a horse can really be
>>94026486why would the centaurs not have it too?
>>94026490>>94026495Because I said so.
>>94026497It's your game, do what you like
>>94026209No. They are not slaves there and were not. But they are extremely freedom-loving and because of that, and knowing how wizards tend to treat those they deem below them, dislike wizards as well. But they were not slaves.Any other example?
>>94026520I don't play, I just autistically worldbuild hoping for a group to appear.
>>94026576That's okay, there's many others like you here.
>>94026402>The northern centaurs have the most % of centaurs living in urban centers, as a result they wear metal shoes, Please remember that the only reason that we nail horseshoes to horses is that they don’t understand the concept of shoes and lack hands to put them on and take them off. A centaur wouldn’t need to use horseshoes—they could just wear conventional shoes adapted to their foot size and shape.
>>94026105>not!xfaggot
>>94026576Write a novel.
>>94025992>superior to me in every way>therefore they should be the slaves/discriminated-against minorityWhy is this such a common thought process in fantasy/SF?Realistically, it should be the other way around. The centaurs should be the Mongol hordes on crack, trivially dominating pathetic twofoot vermin and taking their men and women as slaves whose only job in life is to pick things they drop off the floor so they don't have to awkwardly bend-kneel to get it.
>>94026713Horse movement doesn't work too well in urban areas or fortifications, and the calorie requirements are going to be HORRIBLE. They might work wonders as a semi-nomadic elite, but if a city tells them to fuck off they're going to have issues stomping it.
>>94026732Just do like the Mongols, wreck them with your vastly superior cavalry and then make them do your siegeworks.
>>94025992Because they combine the strength and food quantity needs of a horse with the intellect and dietary requirements of a human. It’s like asking why we haven’t domesticated tigers. They’re dangerous and it costs a fortune to feed just one since they’re essentially eating what three or four humans need.
>>94026486What if the centaurs do? Hell, what if it’s better magic? There’s no reason to assume that the best mage in the world is human.
>Implying I wouldn't willingly join the centaur mongol empire in exchange for a horsepussy steppefuyou're on your own, Europe
>>94025992>enslaveWhat a magical realm you have!
>>94027810Are you me?
>>94026732>calorie requirements are going to be HORRIBLE.I mean not really. An actual fucking horse Archer needs to feed the horse and the archer and the Mongols still conquered the world. A centaur is two-for-one and nothing stops them from having human allies or conquered vassals triple up so you've got a human mage or druid or whatever riding a centaur archer into battle.
>>94025992Fetish posters should be mercilessly slaughtered.
>>94025992because centaurs have the utility and strength of horses combined with a human's hands and speech, which are both also useful things to have if you're trying to not be enslaved.
>>94027810Marco Polo hands typed this post and they are correct
>>94025992would they really be that valuable though? They're stronger than humans and significantly smarter than horses, but by those virtues much harder to keep enslaved than either people or horses. I don't think many settings give centaurs much thought in the first place, though.
>>94026195>>94026414The real question is how didn't centaurs enslave the smaller humanoid races?
>>94025992You try enslaving an entire race of calvalrymen who can out-flank your armies and overwhelm trample weak, fragile humans skeletons to dust with no effort.
>>94028400THIS SETTING RUINS MY VERSIMILITUDE. WHY DO THE GREATER BEINGS NOT SIMPLY DEVOUR THE SMALLER ONES?
>>94028414I give them crack and sugar
>>94028400Every time they tried the superior compatibility of human dick with mare pussy led to instantly successful slave revolts and emancipation movements
>>94030457Post the mare lore
>>94025992>ride a centaur>can't see shit in front of me
>>94025992You can only enslave the weak.If your slave is stonger then you you outsmart itIf your slave is smarter then you you overpower or blackmail it.If Centaurs are remotly based on mongols... everyone BUT them will be there slave while they enjoy normadic freedom.That are my 5cent to this topic and that is why they make so wonderfull trader and raider race.
>>94030476How tiny are you?
>>94025992it can be a challnege to tame a horse, now imagine that, but said horse not only has the smarts of a human meaning now its even harder to trap them, but they also even getting on their back means they can still give you a punch
>>94030571We only have to tame animals because they're retarded and stubbornly refuse to learn english.
>>94031111Yeah I mean if americans can learn english, surely horses can too.
>>94025992Picrel, but that's okay.
>>94026490Don't most systems vastly underestimate how powerful most animals are? Wouldn't surprise if they underestimate an animal combination like this as well.
>>94031344>Don't most systems vastly underestimate how powerful most animals are?No.
>>94026468Lack of sex appeal?
>>94028400>The real question is how didn't centaurs enslave the smaller humanoid races?They offered the Centaurs free handjobs / fingerbangs in exchange for peace.
>>94031344I mean, if we go by real life animal rules and shit, a centaur will win a fight most of the time. A pissed off horse can kill you pretty quickly. It's a big animal, they have tremendous leg power, they are faster than you, they can rip off your fingers with a single bite and a well placed kick is lights out. You add human's tool use, smarts, adaptability, etc and you have a murder machine. You need a lot of specifications for centaurs to NOT take over>acktually t-they c-cant use magicRather arbitrary. They still have human brains. Even if they didn't, horses are smart>a-ackthually t-they are primitive and savageWild horses make herds all the time, unless you make centaurs just four-legged orcs which is what I see everywhereI'd go with the Chinese way. They had an empire or kingdom, and they were pretty advanced, but hoomies figured out deadlier long-distance weapons.
>>94031424>You need a lot of specifications for centaurs to NOT take over They still lose to throwing stick and their body type doesn't tend to throw well.You step when you throw and a horse has a difficulty with that.So ranged weapon usage, the same way we countered the rest of the planet.And also a vastly increased calorie need.
>>94031384It's mostly time to sexual maturity. It makes it take too long to do the forced breeding for domestication.
>>94030476>Can't incline head slightly to the side
>>94030476>ride a horse>can't see shit
>>94034545their necks are way shorter than a human torso and lean forward
>>94034569If the Centaur has a similar torso length as a person, they'd be lower than the rider, as their torso would start from lower than where the rider sits. Likewise, the rider doesn't need perfect view to the front because they don't have to steer the mount, it's perfectly capable of operating on its own.
If a Centaur female fell in love with a human male, would Centaur society accept him?
>>94034806So yes, he wouldn't be able to see shit. What's even the point of having the guy sitting there?
>humans can use magic to enslave other races>other races... can't use magic to counter itGreat worldbuilding.
>>94034830Imagine making humans and NOT making them cheating cunts that somehow triumph over beings that are physically, mentally or magically stronger than they are.
>>94034822>have LOS over someone's head>"can't see shit">"what's even the point of a rider who can fight and defend the centaur, if he can't see a small sector directly in front of him without moving his head?"
>>94030558Ah yes that centaur and her big "gun."
God brehs imagine a group of drunk centaurs kidnap and deflower all your virgin women with their horse cocks... How would you ever recover?
>>94034880by "gun", you mean penis.
>>94034900Why are all the dudes naked?
>>94035095they're greek.
>>9403121913% of the population never does, anon.
>>94031479Horses can breed around 3 years old.
>>94037312There's not much reason to go past mutual intelligibility, unless you're dealing with a totalitarian jackass about language like the Parisians.
>>94037592Sure, but we're not talking about horses, we're talking about centaurs.
>>94037835The Parisians and the 13% of Americans have a lot in common these days, anon.
>>94037871Tell me, does your centaur have a vagina on the front or in the back?
>>94037897>orYou are like a little baby, read this.
>>94037897So are you imagining a fully grown horse with a toddler instead of its head?
>>94037986From Wizard, by John Varley.You're welcome.
>>94037986Just breed the back vagina then, problem solved.
>>94028414>Superior to humansWe just need to find a way to break one finger of them in battle, imagine the logistic nightmare of having to drag a centaur out of the battlefield with a broken leg. But also don't forget, in centaur case, killing the horse also kills the rider.
>>94038038A horse is not fully grown at 3 years old. Do you say that a 10yo girl s fully grown too just because she hit puberty?
>>94038087NTA, and no, but horse breeders sometimes do.
>>94038625>horse breeders sometimes doOnly one that doesn't know the stages of life of a horse. A horse that is only 3~4 years old should not be put to work as a fully grown horse.On that note, a 3~4 year old kid is not a toddler either.
>>94026062When you do it to a human it's called slavery. If you did it to a non-human person it would probably also be called slavery, but that has never been done in the real world because there are no non-human people in the real world, so the word "domesticate" is useful to remind the reader that you're dealing with nonhumans and their nonhuman mindsets.
>>94040557>because there are no non-human people in the real worldThere's genuine debate about some of the other apes, the cetaceans, and a select few species of birds, but they're all utter pains to work with and hold very little economic value to doing so.>so the word "domesticate" is useful to remind the reader that you're dealing with nonhumans and their nonhuman mindsets.Could be amusing to flip it on its head with relatively typical Goblinoids residing in an ocean-blocking isthmus "domesticated" by not-very-magical whales only to end up in a proxy war with corvids or parrots island-hopping the archipelagoes of the other side.
>>94025992Horses are huge, muscular, fast, and scary. Cervitaur are much easier to handle. And cuter, too.
>>94041246lol, yea, there's little real distinction between domesticating an intelligent fantasy race and becoming a god to an intelligent fantasy race. I always loved the paizo fluff about how goblins left alone in the woods will just end up worshiping a scary-looking stump, it explains why they're the most basic-bitch minions for all the badguys who can't get anything better.
In my (smut) setting all the cows and other dairy producers have been replaced by centaurs. The girls tend to live on ranches and form harems with farmlands while participating in contests like racing, showing, fishing, foraging, and more. There are no male taurs or male horses. And yes, I made a setting Bible because I'm that kind of autisthttps://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRBtfnr1io40kRRLEToJKa2J4TiyvS8-IKvtiRVoPmVJaOrjtl69nCq0yyy70wLrXzIh7BpNQVSQYDQ/pub
They're too dumb to be useful for person work and too smart to be tricked and held to do horse work. If you gave a horse thumbs and problem solving skills it would break out, start a building fire, and fuck off into the steppe.
>>94041363Horses are only scary when ridden or panicked. Horse won't just randomly go mess with other animals, including humans, when he can avoid it.
>tfw no Centuar knight lady to protect you
>>94044458You have zero experience with horses. I've seen horses bite each other specifically to start shit even when they have riders. I've seen horses get bored and so try to kill birds. I've seen horses stomp and eat a squirrel. I've seen horses get too familiar with human handlers and so start stealing their clothing as pranks, which escalates into dragging people around it biting their exposed skin the way they'll do for the rest of the horses in their group. Horses don't understand that human skin and bones are thinner and don't particularly care when people get injured, though. Horses are born full of spite and it ferments into practiced cruelty as they age. The best you can hope for is an emotionally broken animal that lives on autopilot most of the time, or else that it condescends to you in particular.
>>94041363>Cervitaur are much easier to handle. And cuter, too./k/, pls. I know exactly what kind of "handling" you got in mind.
>>94026018Not really, on average the head and neck account for about 10% of the weight of a horse and the average horse is going to be about 1000lbs, so the head and neck are already about 100lbs. Assuming an average male weight of 170lbs and then bringing that down to 85lbs since you don't have the legs, the weight of the torso is already about what the head and neck normally weigh so the horse body doesn't need to increase in size at all from the average of about 5' at the shoulder. Where this gets tricky is diet since that might actually make the horse body need to get smaller while the human torso stays the same since supporting it would be difficult; a horse needs to eat about 2% of its body weight in food daily, which at 1000lbs means around 20lbs of food, an amount the human mouth wasn't designed for. Shrinking the body down would reduce this, which gets compounded with also going for a more calorie dense omnivore/carnivore diet that would shrink the gut since you wouldn't need such a large one to process the more nutritious food. So the horse body would likely end up closer to being pony-sized or smaller rather than going up to the massive, workhorse weights.
>>94025992A centaur is individually valuable, but on a mass scale isn't better than a human plus a draft horse. And it's a lot easier to breed humans and draft horses than it is to breed a monstrous humanoid.
What is /tg/'s obsession with making mankind out to be evil?
>>94053647Homo homini lupus est.
>>94026402>warcraft centaurs>shining force centaurs>goatBased
>>94053722But wolves are pretty friendly to eachother, and even Ravens and men. So that means mankind should be a good race.
>>94031473I don't see why their throwing prowess would be significantly affected.>a vastly increased calorie needOKAY holy shit this however. I don't think anybody has brought this up before. Our brains demand a shitload of energy, to the point it was actually a hidrance in our primitive days since we weren't able to fully utilize our smarts.Horses need to eat a lot too, but because they have small stomachs, they graze throughout the whole day.So no, actually, humans have a fighting chance purely because of attrition.
I WANT TO FUCK A HORSE GIRL BROS!!!!!!!!! ITS NOT FAIR CENTAURS DONT EXIST IN REAL LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where are a centaurs lungs located inside their body?
>>94053647Take one look at either /pol/ or /b/ and explain how mankind isn't evil.
>>94054482Those people are invalids excluded from polite society. In fact, the way we don't just kill them speaks to humanity's endless mercy.
>>940544824chan(nel) isn't representative sample of mankind.
>>94025992The only reason we were able to domesticate horses in the first place is because they're all retards. Wouldn't be so easy with centaurs. Think of how easy it is for a horse to just fucking run off or whatever, and how easily they can just power through any human. Now give human-tier intelligence to that, plus the ability to throw rocks and use bows and what-not just like a human. It'd be a massive pain.
>>94026704World-building is easy. Writing a story is hard. Even just making up a plot is miles harder than world-building. Designing any kind of country or region or species or whatever is almost effortless, which is why every loser does it. Actually writing a book (and not making it dogshit) is rarer because it takes actual effort.
>>94027810How the hell are you going to satisfy a woman whose body is designed to take 16 inch long dongs, and can even take up to almost twice that much? The best you can have is barely 10 inches and that's if you're a 1 in a billion freak. Just seems like setting yourself up for embarassment.
>>94055585>he doesn't know
>>94054475In the horse torso like all the other organs since the human one can’t contain big enough organs for the whole body. Additional lungs might be the exception so you can get a bird-style one-direction flow of air for more efficient breathing.
>>94025992because they won the war that would had caused their enslavement if they lost now the losers are their slaves
>>94055585Male horses are literally one pump chumps. I'm also not zoophile but I think the majority of the "pleasure" nerves for a female horse are easily within reach for an average human male.
>>94026576We know, faggots like you ruined this board. Enjoy squatting in the ruins of what once was glory, you putrid maggot of a wretch.
>>94054507Ironically, this is the exact sort of person who belongs against the wall first.
>>94056536Cope and seethe. I am happy in my life and give to charity, while you have only boundless, pathetic hate.
>>94056559>you have only boundless, pathetic hate.Ironic. Perhaps one day you will achieve sentience.
>>94056567You LARP about putting other people up against the wall, there's nothing ironic about calling you what you are: a hateful, despicable loser.
>>94056575>You LARP about putting other people up against the wallYou assume so much vitriol because you yourself are a hateful person who wishes to solve his woes with violence. If you were given real power once in your life you'd become an omnicidal tyrant on par with the worst of the worst. The Khmer Rouge is your wet dream. The Holocaust (except against The Right Targets™ this time) is your nirvana. >a hateful, despicable loser.Ironic.
>>94056453>I'm also not zoophile but>butThey allways tell on themselves, don't they
>>94025992Someone else can probably find a page because I'm too lazy, but I'm pretty sure the Putin Isekai has done this.
>>94054482I think there's good people who use this site, it's just it's an anonymous website, and the bad talk louder and more frequently. It sucks, but no reason to become misanthropic.
>>94054482/b/ regularly stops cat torturers. /pol/..stole a guy's flag and had a semi-wholesome fun time doing it.
>>94028414You don't fight them stupid. You get them to fight and enslave each other, then purchase the slaves from them, rinse, repeat.
>>94025992Because slavery is badSimple as
>>94025992Only the royal family and close allied noble families have centaurs as mounts. The rest served as beasts of burden.
>>94054482Not everyone goes to the same boards you do. This probably says more about you than your perception of /tg/.
>>94055585Vaginas aren't really sensitive very far past the entrance, at least in horses. The main difference between humans and almost every other animal is our incredible sexual stamina.Fucking mares into satisfied domestication is unironically a long human tradition.>>94056914I am a zoophile but this is common knowledge.
>>94027810I am sorry, I would fall to this too.
>>94060083>You being a zoophile is common knowledge.Why aren't you in prison?
>>94060927German laws
>>94060927Because zoophiles are harmless.
>>94056914Sorry anon, I ain't one and I have no reason to hide my weird fetishes (futa) on an anonymous image board. My knowledge of horse anatomy comes from unironc zoophiles shitposting here.
>>94060981I never ran into them here, my experience with anonymous zoophiles all comes from /b/ and /trash/, but I don't doubt your experience (it's been many years since I followed every thread on /tg/). I think a lot of people mix up zoophiles and xenophiles, where a 'xenophile' is a person who wants to fuck something that isn't human (and is ideally as far from human as possible) but not-necessarily-known-to-exist, whereas a zoophile is a person who wants to fuck other animal life that is know to exist on this planet. I know, a lot of people would lump them together, but I think the differences can be pretty big and I think that a lot of misunderstanding comes from it.
>>94026200Xanth
>>94027810>>94060651Centaur empire's envoys into human territory gotta have pretty short career. Some perish to hostility, most come back pregnant.
>>94026576>faggot nogames makes a retarded thread>claims to autistically worldbuild but can't even do that wellJust rope yourself at this point.
>>94026767>Humans aren't automatically best at everything and win every time Not very HFY of you. Leave to reddit, human hater.
>>94034830Don't forget>magical race has superior magic! >offscreen, of course>when it actually matters they can't do shitAnd>the best mages are still human
>>94061016Hussy gotta be a powerful diplomatic weapon
>>94061104Incorrect, Anon. Humans who disagree with me can be bad at things, because people with different political/religious opinions or skin color than me aren't actually human. Aliens can be better than humans when the quality they are exhibiting is one I like and they are contrasted with strawman representations of humans I don't like. Since my values are the measure of humanity, this would theoretically allow a species to be more human than humans.
>>94025992
>>94060951Tell that to all the puppies Kero the Wolf raped to death.
>>94053111Doesn't that shift your math a great deal?The width of the human torso needs to be equivalent to the width of the horse's neck.So now with a ponysize horse you're looking at the human body being skinnier and even less efficient at sending the appropriate amounts of food down, while with the workhorse size you could support a big enough bod to keep things processing.
>>94061587NTA but it shifts it in the other direction to where you're thinking. Just the human digestive system is enough to get 100% the nutritional content of cooked meat, the gigantic cellulose processing tube of a horse is completely unnecessary. It's insanely trivial to eat enough, you would definitely not need to graze.Especially since most fantasy races magically have the same endurance as humans.
>>94026484Based advisor anon
>>94025992In my preferred settings they live so far off and with the mainland having it's own problems that it is just not feasible.Or they are almost monstrous flesheaters that has been at war with the local bullpeople since ages on another continent the human race haven't known until the past 10 or 50 years.
>>94061576You're doing more harm than good by equating zoophiles to zoosadists
>>94062118I'm sure you'd think so, animal rapist.
>>94046482>I've seen horses get bored and so try to kill birds. I've seen horses stomp and eat a squirrel.Isn't this opportunistic predation?
>>94025992How did centaurs impact your last gaming session?
>>94025992Read the manga 'Centaurs' and then fuck off with your dumbass thread.
>>94062147>zoosadist projection
>>94062232They raided my house and kidnapped my players. I could only escape because I was upstairs for a boardgame and my staircase is very steep and narrow.
>>94038084They're stronger, faster, can command nature, and are natural cavalry. They're superior. They can turn the very earth beneath humans into their foe, the animals into new soldiers, the plants and water into poison for the humans.
>>94059606They're too honorable and good to participate in slavery, unlike the CE humans who are a blight upon the world, actual vermin.
>>94046482this started out pretty good but you really should tone the part towards the end down a bit to make it remain believable
>>94054482Not everyone hates their own species, cuck.
>>94058676fuck man, the flag threads were the best.
>>94054475>>94056393Maybe if all the other organs are in the horse body, the human torso is exclusively full of lungs, since that puts it closer to the mouth and it can use the extra space granted by moving all the other organs further down.
>>94035023possibly
>>94072990I have a few terrible weaknesses. One of them is cute monstergirl, especially horsegirls
>>94066507>imageThis kind of shit keeps me up at night, just thinking about the true stems of human conflict perhaps being so profound that ideological differences may be as concrete as speciation. Also that one similar experiment that tested peoples' subconscious physiological response to severe moral profanity and the left-wingers had an erogenous zone response while right-wingers had a cardiovascular response more like an adrenaline spike/threat assessment.
>>94066507>>94074705I am room temp IQ, explain please.
>>94075641The image posted in >>94066507 is the results of a study that measured how much empathy and personal connection various political groups felt for different categories. The circular maps at the bottom start at the center with your immediate family, and each ring outward is a further and further removed category of relation to you. At the very edge is "all things in existence". The intensity of the color (red highest, blue-black lowest) indicates where the responses tended to cluster up.People with a conservative ideology feel the most for the 2 through 4 bands, which amounts to your family and immediate friends. Liberals on the other hand map way out in the middle of nowhere, clustering in bands 13 through 15, which are "all animals everywhere", "all living things including plants", and "all natural things including rocks".You're looking at the scientific data that explains the psychotic treehuggers that want mowing lawns banned as well as policies that will destroy everything around them if it makes them feel good about saving some distant unknown "other".
>>94075799>caring about strangers more than my own family is a win because...
>>94075799Oh and oikophobia has absolutely nothing to do with Openness.
>>94066507>Nazis are actually liberalskek Libtards BTFO
>>94066507>94066507Why is that presented on a circle?
>>94061016That's how Genghis Khan won the world by marrying off his daughters to local kings
>>94063779If they're lawful and good they're more likely to take captives and put them to work once all the warring is done and there's naught left but women and children. An enterprising third party can then offer to take those mouths to feed off their hand, in exchange for supplies and weapons.
>>94025992>Why hasn't anyone enslaved the people who are literally as strong as a horseI don't know anon. Hey, why don't you go try it, I bet you'd get rich.
>>94075838it's not 'more than' and the fact that you think it is proves conservativism is small brained"All people on the planet" includes your family, dipshit.
>>94075799>spoilerYes, but not in the way you think ;)Conservatives routinely score higher on all intelligence metrics tests.
>>94079002This isn't the gotcha you think it is and perfectly displays what's wrong with your way of thinking. There are a practically infinite number of "others" on the planet outside your family/friends/immediate circle. You are supposed to experience in-group preferential priority because it creates strong communities that are able to act in reciprocal good faith through adverse circumstances that would stretch less intimate social contracts to the breaking point: a death sentence in harsh environments including emergencies but also just baseline dependability and responsibility to eachother. Putting equal value on random strangers half a world a way doesn't make you a big brained empath, it makes you a disloyal and aloof "citizen of the world" that will backstab your own and tell them it's for the greater good. Prioritizing everyone is identical to prioritizing noone.
>>94079002The human mind is only capable of empathizing with roughly 100-200 people, meaning that's the upper limit of people you can recognize as "people". By lumping your family in with a loose, vague concept as "6 billion people I'll never meet", it means you don't actually empathize with anyone and only care for them on a conceptual level. Which is why you get that weird, contradictory nature of leftists where all of their arguments and motivations are emotionally charged, yet they're all complete fucking psychopaths frothing at the mouth for blood and destruction and see no problem with utterly ruining people's lives or using them as slave labor to further their goals.
Does any system actually made Centaurs feel good to play? 5E failed
>>94082596I think since they need specific environment or adventure setting to work, because horse, I'd say they are pretty janky by nature
>>94080614the fact that you still think that giving a shit about things outside of the creatures that directly benefit you means that you hate people close to you suggests to me that you need a lead sandwich asap ngl>>94081031>my made up claims about human psychology are trufax I read them on reddit ain' no lies thar, checkmate gaytheists
>>94082596>5E failedblessing in disguise, because 5e mounted rules are awful
>>94083022Do you have a 3rd grade reading comprehension? Nobody anywhere said anything about hating anyone. The fact that you can't conceive of a social responsibility to your own people that places them in an automatic higher priority bracket without also assuming hatred must be involved is catastrophic for your brainrot prognosis. I'm perfectly capable of caring about everyone everywhere in the abstract, but as a person my first duty falls to those within arm's reach, who have built mutual rapport with me, typically but not necessarily by blood. Can it even enter your mind this may be a statement of love as opposed to hate? Or is it bigoted to you to choose family over anyone else?>lead sandwichLefitsts always out themselves as impotent despots when cornered.Please do keep posting and being an absolute caricature. While the implications of the above study do keep me up sometimes, I also sleep better knowing your worldview (whether acquired through nature or nurture) will someday be classified as an antisocial personality disorder variant instead of an 'ideology'.
>>94083644They aren't the one that instantly jumped to starting this conversation thread as being about hatred of one's own species if you don't see them as perfect.
>>94081031>The enemy is emotional, yet emotionlessAlso if families are so important to conservatives, why am I always meeting children of conservatives who get pushed out of those families?
>>94083865Fair, but then neither did I. So I stand by everything else I said.
>>94058654A shit opinion doesn't make a shit person.Take racism for example; You meet some guy who just keeps casually saying nigger and talking about how they're subhuman. Alright.You ever ask yourself why?For some people it's not racism, it's just a countercultural dogwhistle because the elites are obsessed with race, and if you hate the elites they have an instinct to defy them.For others, they might be living in abject misery you can't even comprehend, and the sense of faux comradery of being racist on the internet makes them feel like they have a tribe for once instead of reflecting upon how they're an underclass trog who lives in a rat/roach infested shithole, despised by their own culture and government.Or, hell, some people consider racism to be legit banter, and the only way to heal the racial divide is just to not sweat minor insults. If someone is your brother, you can make fun of them without worry. If you can't/won't, it might be because you're 100% self-assured of your superiority and think it's simply gauche to pick on your lessers.You might not like it, and you don't have to. I'm not saying those reasonings are even justifiable. I am saying that outright stormfront nazi chuds are rarer than you think.
Horse pussy posters are unironically less cancerous than shit flinging left/right tards.
>>94082596If you scum off the HD then they're a prime race for martials in 3e. You get full slots but hooves instead of boots (this is good) and count as mounted for charges. Being large is advantageous for martials but ironically the most famous centaur gimmick is qualifying for hulking hurler (by being large) and using the increased carrying capacity from being a quadruped to throw arbitrarily heavy objects at people because improvised weapon damage scales linearly with weight (3d6 + 1d6 per 200lbs) and carrying capacity is exponential with strength and being a large quadruped.>>94075838That's not what I said at all, learn to read faggot.If your graph isn't a red dot then you're a cuck.>>94079555I'm sorry that you've never had any interaction with the literature, but the correlation between IQ and trait openness is positive. Nice non-sequitur though.>>94080614>it makes you a disloyal and aloof "citizen of the world" that will backstab your ownSo, it makes you a functional human being who can do whatever they want instead of a crippled manchild who can't stand to do anything without his parent's/government's/church's approval?>Prioritizing everyone is identical to prioritizing noone.Are you trying to imply that that isn't the ideal value set?
>>94084079You didn't disappoint. My expectations were high, but holy shit.
>>94025992>brain and hands of a human, smart and dexterous enough to have a society and wield weapons >body of a horse, powerful enough to run at 45 miles per hour and a kick powerful enough to break bones>their babies can walk within 5 minutes of being born>Why haven't Centaurs been enslaved/domesticated in most fantasy settings?the only reason we were able to domesticate horses IRL is because they're stupid.If they could talk and wield polearms, they would have taken over the world long before we could even think about riding them.
>>94083900Because you make up strawman anecdotes in your head as you fail to touch grass for yet another day.
>>94083022Funny how THA SCIENZZ is the end-all be-all of the leftist religion until it disagrees with them. You're all modern day terracentrists.
>>94026200Garrett P.I.
>>94084794you continue to not produce citations and yet pretend that you have
>>94083644>Lefitsts always out themselves as impotent despots when cornered.Nazi insists the leftists are the real Nazis for not liking Nazis, news at 11
>>94085418I'll never call the left Nazis, they don't dress nearly well enough.
>>94085418>Nazi insists the leftists are the real NazisThis probably has something to do with the fact that the neetsocs were lefitsts.
>>94026713>>94027810>>94055585>>94031424>mongol centaursMongolian horses are quite small. Don't know why everyone trying to make centaurs into not!Mongols are doing it with huge European warhorses.
>>94085535no they fucking weren't. They started as a disparate group of discontents and then the Night of the Long Knives happened, you know that purge of the Nazi Party that Hitler did? I wonder who the far right authoritarian was purging from his party's ranks, hm.
>>94085593well luckily for you 5e centaurs are twinky little Medium creatures.
>>94085593Because people think that play DnD and such the like are usually westerners that think of Europeans Warhorses when they think of the word horse?Also can /pol/ and /leftypol/ plz just fucking go? Have this bitchfit argument in /pol/ where it belongs plz.
>>94085713speaking as /leftypol/, I didn't start this shit.I was here to talk about horse pussy.
>>94085723IDGAF both you and him fuck off.
>>94085713>>94085732>hurr everything I don't like it /pol/Yep, /tg/ is still /co/mblr lite.
>>94085694Why? What is so fucking hard about having a Large sized creature as a playable race? Can 5e cucks just not do a small amount of extra math?
>>94085765The Hitler discussions and Lib v Con shit are very CLEARLY /pol/. Go there to yell at each other about it plz and thanks.
>>94085775If 5e players were willing to tolerate just a little more math to round out the game's mechanics, they'd be playing 3e.
>>94085775it breaks dungeon design. Suddenly every single passageway MUST be big enough to accomodate a Large PC, every 5 foot hallway becomes a squeeze check, etc.
>>94085723>I didn't start this shit.But you did, faggot.
>>94086062false >>94066507
>>94085643>I wonder who the far right authoritarian was purging from his party's ranks, hm.Why don't you tell us since that's apparently the central point of your argument.You don't get to just imply you're right lmao.
>>94086115See >>94054482>Take one look at either /pol/ or /b/ and explain how mankind isn't evil./leftypol/ clearly started it. The mental gymnastics on display here is impressive.
>>94086115>links to a post that explicitly proves you wrongI'd say /leftypol/ isn't sending their best, but this probably is their best.
>>94086144>that poster said /pol/ and /b/ were shitholes>this is clearly an attack on my ideologygo give yourself a firearm enema.
>>94085863So you MUST play in tiny, tight hallways at all times? Do you never have large open plains fights, forest ambushes, highlands encounters? I get that ppl have no imaginations anymore but jeez.>>94085850Honestly no. 3/3.5 requires MUCH more math. Probably the only thing i liked out of 5e was the advantage-disadvantage mechanic. But DESU 3e requires VASTLY more math than just movement ranges.
>>94086188You're literally arguing for wheelchair accessible dungeons, you realize that right
>>94086132I'll give citations the moment you do, spaketh the Lord.
>>94086175>>94086182
>>94086195>Talk about doing shit in NOT DUNGEONS at all.>HURR DURR WHEELCHAIR DUNGEON/COMBAT WHEELCHAIR MEME.Right so Centaurs can probably climb stairs and do not need special help to move around. How does that make them a wheelchair meme? Also do all of you combats and encounters need to take place in a dungeon? Really?
>>94086232look faggotyou like adventure modules? Even if you don't use them you should still because that's actually how D&D makes money, is from selling books, and even if you hate WotC and want them to go out of business you still presumably want SOMEBODY to continue to make D&D.You're demanding that adventure modules must conform to your special snowflake character concept, that's why you're combat wheelchairing.
>>94086257Will be perfectly honest. If no one ever produced anymore DnD editions id be fine with that. The constant fucking around with the rules produced shit like 4e and 5e. 4e was so !NOT DND that it spawned Pathfinder. All ppl like WOTC are gonna do at this point are rehash the same shit, wokify it to get their Goodboy points and change shit that doesn't really need changing to sell yet another edition. The fact that you feel the need to suck off (INSERT MEGACORPA HERE) doesn't mean that the rest of us need to be as completely uncreative as you are. I haven't ever played with a module, a supported setting or any of that shit. Its unneeded. RPGs are literally playing make believe for adults. IDGAF about having some else tell me how to imagination right.
>>94086298look dude I'd be ecstatic if Hasbro's inept handling of D&D cost them so much money they shuttered WotC, but it's not in WotC's interests to build their game the way you want and then go out of business.
>>94085593>>94085694Just the right height...
>>94086422Honestly, i want as many of the current day crop of Megacorps to just fuck off into the sun and die as is possible. DnD has really not had any good Changes, and i stretch THAT term alot here, since 3e. DnD really doesn't need anymore changes to take place. They have all sucked to one extent or another. I would rather love to see other RPGs that arent DnD or clones come to the forefront but that will never happen. If WOTC/Hasshit died tomorrow i would not miss them. If DnD as a brand died tomorrow, i would not give a fuck. I still have my books and resources to play with so, for me at least, it would be whatever.
>>94086478We're more or less on the same page. Now that the core of 5e is indisputably public domain it would be ideal if Hasbro would just keel over and die. The major difference is I would still like smaller companies to take the frame of D&D and build on it in the future. A game that never gets republished is a game that people stop playing, and I don't think the world would be better off with NO Dungeons & Dragons.
>>94086182>>94086220>>this is clearly an attack on my ideologyHe used /pol/ and /b/ as evidence towards misanthropy and an inherent desire to despise mankind. So yes, it very much WAS an ideological argument you duplicitous snake. And let's be real here, the only reason ANYONE ever brings up /pol/ unbidden is to virtue signal about how much they hate their political opposition. You know, exactly like what you were doing.
>>94086602>A game that never gets repub'd is a game that ppl stop playing.Hard disagree. There are still ppl that play older editions of DnD to thus very day. There even has been new ppl getting into the old stuff due to the older revivals. If a New edition of DnD never got printed again, DnD would be fine.
>>94087200>the ONLY reason to bring up /pol/ is ideological!>Not that it's actually a shitty place, or that the website suffered since its inception, or that /pol/fags have a long history of specifically spamming this board, no, none of thatMethinks the lady doth protest too much.
>>94093635You jumped the shark with this one.
>>94025992In most fantasy settings they are given they're based off of domesticated horses and not wild ones
>>94093635>the ONLY reason to bring up /pol/ is ideological!You literally brought it up to justify your ideology of misanthropy. >/pol/fags have a long history of specifically spamming this boardThe absolute irony.You're flailing, lil bro.
>>94086257How the fuck would wotc staying in business impact my 3e game you fucking fruit?
So you want to domesticate horses, so you can catch centaurs, so you can enslave them to get a horse that will hate you and can stab you.
>>94097572Yes but they can also give me a blowjob
>>94097791Horses have mouths.
>>94097825You have to be very brave or very stupid to put some delicate part of you in a horse's mouth.And they can't give me a titjob
Why do Centaur Women cover up the top but not the bottom?
>>94098079Because booba bounces around
>>94098519so does horsecock
>>94098537No, normally not really. I doubt it would cause any issues or discomfort while fighting or physical activities like boob's would.
>>94086436the downs face ruins it for me
>>94053938just fuck a horse (girl)
>>94062147even as a worst case scenario, being against zoophiles is just stupid as we're perpetuating a society that clearly puts animals below humans and allows far more harm to come to them then what even the most extreme zoophiles do. Close all the numerous legal torture institutions for animals, then you can virtue signal against zoophiles.
>>94106782>allows far more harm to come to them then what even the most extreme zoophiles do.I dunno bro, sticking sharpened stakes covered in honey so that you can lure fire ants onto it before raping a dog to death with it is far more extreme than even your most apathetic slaughterhouse. I also don't see why one is expected to tolerate (what you alledge to be) lesser evils just because (what you alledge to be) greater evils exist.That's like saying we can't convict rapists and murderers in civilized nations so long as African warlords still exist. It's a retarded, grasping whataboutism.
>>94025992All the traits that make them useful make them incredibly powerful, and thus nearly impossible to enslave. I love you.
>>94109669Just get them hooked up on something they can't produce themselves and they will be happy to work for you voluntarily.I'm not saying opium, but it totally could be opium.
>>94105172Kek
>>94085593Mongolian horses (and implicitly, mongolians) being fairly small is pretty important too. Unlike your big fucking oats guzzling european war horses, you can feed your mongolian horse just a bunch of fucking grass. So your potential need to find resources to support your very, very important animal is pretty easy, compared to a giant fucking horse that will need a huge amount of high calorie, and therefore very expensive, feed to keep active.What made the mongolian horse archers so dangerous is they had fairly low support needs and they spent their entire fucking lives riding around and shooting shit. They didn't just do it during war, it was every single day out on the plains. Riding around, hunting, herding, etc. Experienced, dangerous cavalry that was cheap to feed was a horrifying thing to face.
>>94113168>What made the mongolian horse archers so dangerous is they had fairly low support needs and they spent their entire fucking lives riding around and shooting shit. They didn't just do it during war, it was every single day out on the plains. Riding around, hunting, herding, etc.This is pretty much the story of every major force of archers or slingers up until manufacturing became sophisticated enough to issue firearms to line soldiers
>>94106866It's an argument on lack of consistency on your part. I'm saying if you don't tolerate animal torture from zoosadists you shouldn't tolerate and most importanty, SUPPORT animal torture wherever it comes from, especially if it's done en masse with thousands if not millions of tortured and killed animals. Yet you will turn a blind eye because it's legal and accepted by the wider public.
>>94025992Why haven't centaurs enslaved the bipeds to make them pick things up off the ground for them?
>>94113908>if you don't endorse animal rape you endorse animal torture!What an unhinged nonsequitor. Nevermind the fact that slaughterhouses at least kill for a purpose that benefits people whereas animal rapists rape and kill for their own gratification. It's like saying farming (an act that depletes the soil and is conducted in a way in modern tines that I have serious issues with and would reform if I had any sort of power) is the same thing as salting the earth and dumping toxic runoff into the groundwater basin because this sexually gratifies you.
>>94113942See >>94030457
>>94113945That's not what he said. He said that since you endorse animal torture, you should endorse animal rape.>It's like saying farming (an act that depletes the soil and is conducted in a way in modern tines that I have serious issues with and would reform if I had any sort of power) is the same thing as salting the earth and dumping toxic runoff into the groundwater basin because this sexually gratifies you.Is it not? If it's my land I can do what the fuck I want with it unless the negative externalities violate something enforceable against me.
>>94113961>since you endorse animal tortureA strawman stance the animal rapist pulled entirely out of his ass, yes.>If it's my land I can do what the fuck I want with itAight, never figured we'd be making arguments in favor of slavery, necrophilia, and cannibalism to justify raping animals but furfags are anything but sane.
how do centaurs wipe their buttholes?
>>94114220Horse assholes are self-wiping, basically.
>>94114235How does that work?
>>94085593>ywn be a bad enough dude to take down a horse with a legsweepWhat's the point in living?
>>94114352You know how they say few % of people living today can trace their ancestry back to Gengis Khan? Some individuals are just built different.
>>94114341
>>94114525nature truly is the greatest engineer
What's with all this talking, can someone post cute centaurettes now pls
>>94026062So long as you don't recognize the beastkin as people then it is domestication.
>>94075808>You're looking at the scientific data that explains the psychotic treehuggers that want mowing lawns banned as well as policies that will destroy everything around them if it makes them feel good about saving some distant unknown "other".You're looking at data which is at best presented extremely poorly and at worst literal nonsense. No, liberals do not prefer fucking rocks in deep space to their family, you moron. I don't need a study to confirm this any more than I need a study to confirm that people don't typically enjoy stabbing themselves in the stomach.
>>94122271
>>94025992>Why haven't Centaurs been enslaved/domesticated in most fantasy settings, given how useful they would be to human and non-human civilizations?how are you gonna to enslave/domesticate horses with human level of inteligence? didn't worked with black people
Wuxia centaurs would be hard to enslave.
>>94066507>closest friends is further out than all extended familieslmao what a bogus scale, who came up with this?
>>94114525Imagine what a centauress could do with that + centaur pussyIt would be over for humans
>>94131604wuxia centaurs are retarded
>>94096384how does your schizo shrieking have anything to do with Wizards of the Coast's current publications and their lack of Large sized player races?Because THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU FUCKING RETARD.
>>94054482They’re gays and nonwhites. Not mankind.
All centaurs should be NAKED!
>>94138402You might to reread >>94086257's disingenuous spiel you retarded little cockfaggot>THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUTYes, specifically the topic is whether or not it matters to our 3e games, and the answer is that it doesn't, despite your asspained insistence to the contrary.
>>94025992I thought the question would by 'Why aren't centaurs the dominant species in fantasy settings', and honestly I still think that's the better question.
Mister Professional monster fucker here.On the list of Mythical creature girls I'd want as a Waifu the centaur is about middling on the list.Even though most centaur women are big muscle mommies the horse half does get in the way quite a bit, Many a times during sleep i have nearly been buried alive under that heavy horse weight. Also during love you are quite limited in your karma sutra poses and centaur are very adverse to their breasts being fondled during lovemaking which for me, a breasts aficionado is quite a downside. Also when it comes to dressing up your centaur gal then any armor is amazing... for the top half. Unless you go for a full plate mail armor that just turns her into a block of metal. As for bikini and other small pieces of clothing it is great to have a bear view of those sweet sweet abs however it is hard to pair the bikini top with a a matching piece of waist and lower piece of clothing.Now am i saying the centaur gf is a bad pick? No but it requires quite a bit of effort and maintenance but if your perservere you will have an even loyal gf and also a good source of mobility. Saving you a lot on travel fares.
>>94133971You court death!
>>94138701that's my 'disingenuous spiel' mouthbreather, it was a responseHere's the entire chain from where we started talking specifically about player races in 5e so you can't wiggle out of it by just dribbling whatever the neurons randomly firing from the railroad spike embedded in your skull say.
