Previous: >>94353453>OFFICIAL Commander website, where you can learn the rules, see the current banlist, and read the format philosophy, laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://mtglands.com>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Card Searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>How to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQ:Why aren't you splashing colorless in your monocolor deck to run the holy diamond trifecta?
>so many new generals each set>they're all generic value slop
Unban Mana Crypt
>>94359999Based numbers. Built Mannichi with me.
>>94359988You're missing the best one
>My decks performed poorly last night
>>94360030I've been on a hot losing streak for weeks now but I don't feel too bad about it because my decks have generally been doing the cool stuff I want them to do. Just having a hard time closing.
>>94359999I've been eyeing the jund Winter. Its abilities remind me of older commanders.>win not immediately obvious>how you go about getting to its payoff effect varies depending on your gameplan>drawback in giving your opponents card advantage
>fags actually defending swordbros weak 6 decks
>lame ass ritual posting>fagass namefag dick riding>frogposting is extremely common>regurgitated memesHoly shit, I haven't posted here in months. This place is a shit hole now.
>>94360051How about you actually engage with the qualityposts? How would you build Mannichi the fevered dream? What do you think of splashing a few wastes to run the eldrazi charms?
>>94360046>calling a deck pubstompy is defending
>>94359988>tqAlmost all colors have better spells than these. Maybe a slower red deck could use them? Most red decks aren't like that though.
>>94360051you are part of the problem
>down to me and one other guy>he says he thinks he has game on his turn>he attacks with Sun Titan, attempts to reanimate some combo piece>I Bolt Bend the Sun Titan trigger, change the target to some tapland in his graveyard instead>I win the game on my turnLol gottem
>>94360043I've been building him recently. I'm still in the early stages of upgrading the Death Toll precon for him, but so far he's done well in goldfishing. It's been stupid easy to get delirium by turn 3 and by the time I cast him I'm almost always at 6 or 7 card types. I'm thinking the biggest issue will be making sure it has enough protection, both for him and me.
>>94360046Seek Canadian healthcare
>>94360043I've been sitting on Winter for a while now desu. Idk how I'd make him work. It feels like a low payoff when you're going to get hated out immediately.
>>94360061Not you retard the other fag saying they were strong 7s and 8s and 9s.
>got my ass whooped by a LotR precontime to rethink my life decisions...
>>94360051
>>94360066>t. hasn't played with themThey overperform every time I use them. The flexibility plays way better than it reads. Wail counters the boardwipe or removes the hatebear or makes a chump blocker after attacks or accelerates your curve by one turn. Confluence often kills two creatures and protects one of your own or makes the chump blocker. Command is just a ridiculously strong card that you have to play to get a grasp of. It's removal and gravehate in a pinch but usually it digs deep into your deck, draws the best card and then reimburses all the mana you spent on it so you can play the card you found
>>94359988>>94360057It's a much better idea to simply run rocks that tap for colorless (either in addition to tapping for colors or just in general) and lands that can tap for both colored and colorless mana, like painlands. Splashing wastes seems like a terrible idea. I only run these cards in my colorless deck though.
>>94360092It happens all too often.
>>94360087can you even stomp with a worse one? I have genuinely never seen a 5 or below deck outside of guys who only have random bulk and no precons
Is this how I'm supposed to use the Moxfield mana distribution list? Try to match the production and pips?
>>94360106I do run rocks and other utility lands but I also splash a couple wastes to find with wayfarer's bauble/evolving wilds etc
>>94360092precons today are actually strong tho
>>94360124He preys on newer players
>>94360139*younger
What plane is this sexy slut from?
>>94360073Put your trip back on
>>94360196I'd propably place her in ravnica tho these are not really canon charas
His Xyris deck is a 9 I'm sorry you nogames fags don't know deckbuilding
>>94360017The problem with this is that 90% of my games artifacts and enchantments are the issue not creatures
>>94360208Take your meds
>>94360239behold: my secret techhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Yv1qai7Ng
>mana crypt, jew lotus, dockside and nadu still banned>nobody cares anymorelmao>wotc announes changes to the format and banlist>oops takes longer than expected. spring 2025 at the earliest>nobody careskek
>>94360069As an Izzet main I Love bolt bend effects so much, shame there’s so few in comparison to, for example, counterspells
>>94360092Sam & Frodo? That’s all my friend plays, and completely unmodified and he does great against our 100$+ decks
>>94360315no, Eowyn
>>94353765Well I managed to make the cuts. I might be light on interaction now but time will tell if that's true. I goldfished 30 times to see on what turn Kozilek would hit the board. 1 time hasted on turn 3, 27 times on turn 4 or 5 (about a fourth of the time with haste), and 2 times on turn 6 or 7. Pretty satisfied with this result. It's quite a bit more consistent compared to how it used to do years ago.
Is there any way to make a decent deck with her?I really love dwarves but my playgroup bitches and moans every time I play Magda or make it almost impossible to do anything cause they remove her on sight
>>94360295there is a ritual poster in this very thread about crypt. I'm so glad it's gone tho but if any they'll propably unban that one
Can anyone here help me with my Imskir deck? I really enjoy playing it and I don't really feel like it needs a huge change or anything, I've just never been able to grab a win with it. It feels like it's missing just a small something that it doesn't have.https://www.moxfield.com/decks/_ZZiRlKD8kWnAOXCYQRp5w
>>94360342>not rule 0ing Kozilek Compleated as commander
>>94360211I want to see her and Teysa lez out
>join a low power pod>they don't know how cards work>they have terrible threat assessmentMan, there is no point playing outside of 6-8.
>>94360361I didn't even know that existed. That's pretty funny, I'd be interested in trying that out a few times. It's probably quite a bit weaker than butcher unless you build around it heavily, just because he doesn't refill your hand. I'll pick up a copy for fun though.
Please recommend me a lands matter commander the Azusa deck I tried was depressingly useless
>>94360104I have played with them. Warping wail can be put in 99% of decks the other two no, I have command in my monored deck cause rocks and card draw. Otherwise ya there are better options
>>94360392Lord Windgrace
>>94360106You don't splash wastes, you splash utility lands, maybe one or two wastes if you really want to be able to search them but the colorless artifacts should help make that not needed
>>94360087Saying a deck can pubstomp is definitely analogous to calling it a 7 or 8 lol. You have brain damage anon>not you those other guys saying the same thing!
>>94360392gitrog monster self mill
>>94360407Ugh I'm so sick of you fag
>>94360392our tatyova
>>94360417I too would be angry if a smarter person kept pointing out how retarded I was
>>94360389I have a kozilek great distortion deck and I got to swap him out for compleated the other day and yeah its ability isn't necessarily as strong but those two phyrexian mana are such a big deal. He usually comes down a turn or two early
>>94360437Shut up retard stop pretending hes goodHes just a fag that preys on weak players for wins
>>94360361my schizo theory is that this card is a teaser for the eventual "Emrakul Finds New Phyrexia trapped by itself in the blind eternities" set
>>94360051>lame ass ritual posting? >fagass namefag dick riding? >frogposting is extremely common?I just wanna fish
>>94360447What turn do you normally get great distortion down? I've tried a lot of the different eldrazi titans back before I upgrade the deck and only great distortion and butcher really seem good enough. I prefer butcher though, since it's a bit more aggressive and better at winning the game imo. I'm excited to also try out the most recent ulamog. With cards like ugin's labyrinth and devourer of destiny it's not too unlikely that he comes down with annihilator 10 or something. He doesn't refill your hand but he can swing for the kill in one go, which sounds fun.
>>94360458I mean he regularly talks about his games they all seem evenly matched you have completely concocted some narrative because you have incredible amounts of brain damage
>>94360481>h-hes a reliable narrator>all of his decks are clearly designed to look weak but stomp on babies
>>94360392Play land win gamehttps://www.moxfield.com/decks/IELi-cwdS0O4WWqy7XquHg
>>94360481you trusting a tale that tall instead of his factual list is your mental retardation not anyone else's
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>94360532Those lists look completely casual to me... what kind of weeny hut Jr games are you playing anon?>>94360521More layers to your narrative! I suggest we apply occams razor instead
>>94360537>what kind of weeny hut Jr gamesno tutors or combos. wincon of swinging and hope for the best
>>94360569what is a combo in this context?
>>94360584in the "knight" deck there was a drain combo with the new creature, conqueror something. basically exquisite blood
>>94360476Yeah I went with distortion because I love the option of having free counterspells up from the moment he comes down. I also like the play pattern of dropping an entire hand of mana rocks and then casting to refill to 7. I can usually get him down around turn 5. Here's my list if you're curious.https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/06-04-18-kozilek-control/?cb=1731270803
>>94360612so 2 card infinites? what about my big dumb green creatures deck that can draw through the entire thing and slam down a ton of huge creatures through a convoluted 7 card combo (Enough Discounts, draw, and Kodama of the East Tree in play)
>>94360017>he saw visions of the futureFuck, I completely forgot about that part. Bloomburrow and Kamigawa are even more the same
>>94360623>18 wastes>no tronanon?
>>94360623I do fetch distortion with eye of ugin, sanctum of ugin, conduit of ruin etc every once in a while to try and make sure I can protect my win once butcher is down, but in the times where I've tried distortion as my commander it's generally performed slightly worse. How's broken reality? He seemed a little underwhelming to me so I didn't put him in my deck.
>>94360635Yeah tron and locuses are certainly optimal but I like the aesthetic of wastes. I've made a few concessions along those lines. Just running all utility nonbasics feels soulless to me.
>>94360643>How's broken reality?He has seriously impressed me. I actually think he may be one of the best options. 9 instead of 10 is huge and he still draws you 4 cards while bringing two 5/4s along with him. Also, that buff is so nice for all the little spawns scurrying around. I've found myself searching for him with eye and sanctum more often because he's easier to cast.
>>94360537Fuck you retard stop defending him when your obviously wrong
>>94360630yeah or 3 if the commander is one of them is usually the nonjank point for me. kinda also depends how many tutors you got for consistency but this guy got those too. idk about his other decks, I was just talking about that specific one
>>94360672>your
>>94360660I run less ways of making spawns then you do, so I wonder if he'd be worth it for me. Maybe I'll replace artisan of kozilek with him. Artisan has started looking not so good to me since a lot of my big eldrazi at this point have cast triggers that make up a big part of their value. But maybe I'd replace him with flayer of loyalties instead, not sure.
>>94360660Oh also I wanted to ask, how has desecrate reality been working for you? I cut it due to assuming its restrictions would be a little awkward, does that hold up?
Is le balanced card draw black guy worth running if im not planning on boosting his power?
>>94360701yes
How powerful do you guys tend to make your decks? Are there any cards that are 40+ dollars that you consider "must-haves" if you have the colors to run them? Do you guys generally play with much fast mana?Just curious because I only play in my pod so I don't know what the average player runs.
>>94360701no one wants to pay taxes yes
>>94360681>so upset he grammar nazi
>>94360710i spend $20 on decks
>>94360685Yeah I ended up cutting artisan a while back for similar reasons. I would recommend trying broken reality even without token synergies because it's just more good card draw (and 19 power on board). >>94360691I love it. It sounds like we've gone in with different philosophies so I'm not sure if it would be the best fit for what you're trying to do but I tried to build my deck as colorless control. So I'm running as much interaction as possible as well as distortion for the counterspells. It sacrifices some aggression in favor of interacting. So in that sense I thing desecrate is phenomenal and one of the best removal options in the deck. Last game I played I instant speed removed smothering tithe, meren and a bear umbra while reanimating expedition map to grab eye of ugin.
>>94360728with or without proxies/extensive collection usage? Your manabase is gonna be fucked in 3+ color if you're not at least recycling some duals, right?
>>94360710with randos all bets are off. erryone has different standards for pow lev. these last couple threads are a good example, so telling how powerful my decks are all depends on perspectivetldr: against friends I try to play cards that are a bit worse than theirs but in lgs this won't really work so might you are better off with more tuned decks.as for card value. I don't buy cards over 5 bucks and only trade and run cards worth 10 burgers or so. any more expensive than that and it starts to turn into those "must haves" which I don't like because they go to every deck
>>94360569Both sidar and coram win by swinging anon
>>94360747i spend $20 on decks, no proxies 3c is for fags
>>94360758 >3c is for fagsbased
>>94360755no, sidar has combo so it combos
>>94360343Why would they complain about Magda? What are they playing that she'd be considered too much?
>>94360741While picking up the rest of my upgrades I'll also pick up a broken reality then, see how it performs. Might as well grab emrakul the world anew then as well, since I have a feeling that might overperform too. My deck is definitely more aggro-focussed, so I think desecrate reality might just be a little slow when I could cast all is dust for the same cost, or ugin for 1 more. I really wish there was a good boardwipe attached to a colorless creature though, so I could fetch it with eye of ugin and friends.
>>94360859nta but a tutor in the command zone shows people he could have anything always assuming the worst of course so it's a high priority target
>>94360920I purposely neutered the potential of my deckI've never done an infinite treasure combo and my only win condition is through combat damage My friends are scrubs who insist Magda is too broken still though
Gay Bolas
>>94360778Retarded, a deck can win through combat and still have a combo as a backup plan.
>>94361054What player uses an instant win as a backup plan?
>>94361079Basically every deck I play includes some kind of game-winning combo, where the combo pieces also just perform well on their own.
>>94361054yeah if it didn't have a bunch of tutors to get them
>>94360361>not using this mana symbolONE JOB
Using just your memory, what was the plot of Midnight Hunt & Crimson Vow?
>>94361246Senile Edgar Markov was tricked into marrying without prenup, and there's also a day/night mcguffin that's... somehow relevant to phyrexian invasion plans? Or it's Kaldheim mcguffin I'm thinking about?
>>94361246Wolverine lady tries to stop rabid wolverines from killing a bunch of cultists at a midsommer festival. Meanwhile a hot femcel vampire organises a wedding to finally get laid but fails miserably.
>>94361246>Werewolves attack not!Halloween>Vampire Wedding
>>94361246There was a plot?
>>94360937Then what are they playing? Every time I've seen complaints for decks it's been from people who have commanders much more explosive and some how don't see theirs are ridiculous in their own right.
>>94361246WotC wanted to do a vampire set.The writer was told to make something up.
I was considering doing some cute stuff in that Gix deck I'm brewing with Season of the Witch, maybe using Crawlspace or Koskun Falls and the like, but then I learned that any cheeky cards that restricts creatures from attacking also makes Season of the Witch spare them from getting destroyed.So, Koskun Falls won't work but I could still get some juice out of Crawlspace I guess. Season would be a dead draw in almost every other scenario without it though, I'd be too afraid to play it and get spite attacked by everyone unless they really want the card draw from Gix.
>playing at the lgs>trying out my new zask deck>Winter player has mesmeric orb out so I'm filling my graveyard>i have 16 scutes on the board and im ready to get silly>winter player just starts getting paler and paler>struggling to breathe>ambulance calledI sent that guy to the shadow realm, I'm so sorry dude
>>94360295I cant wait for Wizards to make the format shitty for no reason other than to artificially induce change to force people to buy their new setsI cant wait until the only format that wasnt pillaged and raped by the WOTC investors is finally killed by them because they want to see the cost efficiency line go up
>>94360354Crypt won't be unbanned
>>94361246Something something olivia marrying Edgar so she has control over vampire families or somethingSomething something sun won't rise and it's dark a lot, probably cause Emmy in the moon
>read through last thread and this oneyou know aside from the utter schizophrenia of it, I actually liked the idea of Tamiyo's Safekeeping/Tyvar's Stand and I have like 12 copies of each since I opened so many boxes. had no idea Tamiyo's was like $5 now, so I took out the rest and sleeved them up.Grabbed this from my LGS for the snake deck for funny. I cut out Forced Fruition and Font of Mythos for mana cost to value ratio and threw in those protection spells.
>>94361560post snake deck
>>94361585Here you got. I grabbed Xyris from my LGS recently just in a batch of Legendary Creatures in hopes to find new commanders I'd be interested in building.https://www.archidekt.com/decks/9997908/welcome_to_the_serpentarium
>>94361602>people think this deck is only a 7
>>94361625it really, really is anon
>>94361648>tons of wheels>tons of impact effect>token doublers>cedh staples>7>>7>>>7>>>>7>>>>>7>>>>>>7
>>94361663I'm not going to engage with you any further. You see expensive cards and automatically assume it makes a deck higher power than it is which is both incorrect and stupid. Functionally, his deck is a strong 7 and completely reasonable for casual play with a bit of an explosive payoff for playing well. The same is true of his Sidar deck and his Coram deck. Urza is the only deck he has that's above a 7 and even then not by much because he shit it up with snow garbage as a meme.
>>94359988>TQI am, at least for warping wail. It’s in my Feldon of the Third Path deck, which is my oldest deck and getting pretty tight at this point so I’m not sure what I would remove for the other two. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/POv4DMe9z0eLSQlPTbeOqg
>it's a 7I hope this meaningless fucking phrase dies when the brackets are introduced
>>94361701It'll be even worse because the brackets are retarded
>>94361701Brackets are such an awful idea, more administrative bloat to fix an unfixable problem.
>>94361560why twinflame?
>>94361726He's fuckin' sick. Also I remembered i have a foil Rattleclaw Mystic sitting around, so I'm gonna put that in too.
>>94361741why only 1 tutor?
>>94361783I'm not really sure where i'd put in my Worldly Tutor or my Mystical Tutor for the deck. I also kinda wanna slot in Beast Within for some versatile removal and Terror of the Peaks as an overpriced but functional enough bonus Impact Tremors effect. Maybe cut Roaming Throne since it's win-more for Beastmaster Ascension so I can combat win easier.
>>94361803Howling mine >> Mystical TutorDictate of Kruphix >> Worldly TutorDevilish Valet >> Terror of the PeaksRapid Augmenter >> Beast Within
>>94361830You know what, that seems reasonable enough to me.
In what cases is it appropriate to skip grave hate entirely when deckbuilding?
>>94361602>multiple tutors>low average cmc>tons of ramp>7
>>94361875Yeah.
>>94361896you can stop being delusional now
>>94361919Sorry, I'm not a retard who thinks tutors make your deck tier 1. Having ramp is just having a precon tier deck. A deck not having a huge CMC is not suddenly an 8-10.
>>94361932>several tutors>tons of synergy>lots of redundancy>extremely efficient manabase>extremely good manabase>tons of ramp>cedh-tier commander>cost efficient fast mana>I-IT'S JUST A 7 IT'S NORMAL DEFINITELY NOT A PUBSTOMPY 8 OR 9
>>94361961Yes, it is not an 8 or 9 because that would be cEDH and that deck isn't winning on turn 2-3.
>>94361858never unless your gameplan has it built in
>>94360196dont talk shit about my waifu deckAlso rate my current cmds>Esix, fractal bloom simic>Othari, Sun's Glory boros>Valgatoth harrower of souls rakdos
>>94361963easily could
>>94361998How? This deck needs Xyris hitting someone to win and with a sol ring, arcane signet opening you can get him out on turn 2 earliest.It doesn't even run wheels. Still it's a pretty strong list and if Xyris doesn't get removed it'll probably beat most decks.
>>94361602>>94361625Xyris performs worse when you play "each player draws a card" enchantmentsthis is because people who might value drawing cards off of your commander stop seeing any value in it, now everyone at the table, even the players who are ahead, are getting group hugged for free, while your commander now only provides value to younormally Xyris is a great commander because people hum and haw and throw removal at other people, not at him, on the off-chance that they need to beg you for some cardsXyris with a group hug enchantment on the field has none of this value, it's just a token engine that's vulnerable to removalyou devalue Xyris and give way too much value to everyone else at the table when you give people free cards through any effect other than a Xyris swing
>>94361998>>94362033Missed the wheels they where under the lands and the rest of the cards for some reason.Yeah I'd call that a pubstomp deck.
>>94361961Most of the things you listed there are just the baseline for any functional deck
>>94360126If possible you want production to be higher than pips on both ends. However, it's not the entire equation. You should count your "heaviest" colors (typically the colors of which you have the most early game cards that need multiple of that color e.g necropotence in a non-mono black deck) and try to overrepresent mana production for that color.
>>94362038I remember reading this in I think last thread. It makes sense to me, honestly, so I cut a lot of those effects for another mana dork, another couple of ETB burns, and some 1 cost protection spells. Appreciate the input!
>>94362076This. It's also why muh power levels are pointless. This guy thinks basic deck construction is cEDH. That deck would get stomped by good decks.
based off the lands alone, what do you think the power level is of the deck is?
>>94360701I genuinely forgot how this card actually reads because basically nobody has payed for the trigger in the 3 year I've been playing it. He's not even worth buffing when people are too greedy and/or stupid to pay 1 fucking mana to stop you from drawing a card.
>>94362313Anywhere from a 7 to 9.
>>943623133/10
>>94360701Yes. I run him in a couple decks with zero support and I almost always get at least 2 draws off of him if he's in my opening hand and I have the mana to play him t1/t2.
>>94362313>ancient tomb10
>>94362313I'd say like a 7-8. It's not as efficient as it could be and the lack of basics feels like the deck isn't particularly worried about blood moon or b2b completely fucking its day up so it probably isn't in a particularly competitive meta.
>>94361694I might take out collector’s vault and nevinrryal’s disk for kozilek’s command and eldrazi confluence, because the ability to remove indestructible creatures in mono red seems pretty nice. Anyone have another suggestion? I also replaced daretti with ardent elementalist
>>94362313about tree fiddy
>>94361246granpa gets some sweet puss but sorin a hater?
>>94361689We have a name for strong 7 we round it up to a number called 8
>>94360710>How powerful do you guys tend to make your decks?This is an impossible question to answer. I think my decks are typically somewhere between casual and high-powered casual, but that doesn't mean anything to you. When randos have joined my regular group, weird shit happens. I've had someone say their deck was a seven then kill the table before turn 3. I've had someone say their deck was a seven then it turns out they were running a dragon tribal deck with an average cmc over 4 with about 24 lands and no ramp. You can really only judge it against your local group.>Are there any cards that are 40+ dollars that you consider "must-haves" if you have the colors to run them?No. This may not be true depending on your group's power level - I do not play CEDH, but it seems like most decks are expensive because there are so many generic staples that do cost money. I think as long as you're not playing CEDH or super high casual, you can play on a super tight budget and keep up with an average group. Most of my decks are $50-$100 and they do alright. I run staples, but anything that costs more than a dollar or two I usually have to think about. It's fun and defuses the "pay to win" saltiness you sometimes see from newer players.>Do you guys generally play with much fast mana?No. We play Sol Rings and Signets, but not like Crypts or Vaults or Moxes.
>>94361246Olivia married someone - Edgar maybe - and Odric turned into a vampire. That's all I got. I don't know one thing the werewolves did.
how much do you think Hare Apparent will go for after release? I'm thinking of putting together a budget deck but I have to speculate around it
>>943628865+. Even with being in print for 5+ years
Looking for some suggestions on gruul commanders. I cannot find any I like. I don't really know what exactly I am looking for, but I'll take any pitches
>>94362886“You can have any amount of X” cards always go stupidly high because everyone wants 60+ of them to make a meme deck. I wouldn’t fault anyone for proxying the damn things.
>>94362918I like Chishiro. The secret I’ve found is to ignore equipment almost entirely and make it an enchantress deck with token/+1/+1 counter support. This is for two reason; green has most of the enchantress cards that’ll get you good card draw while all the cards that’ll draw when you play equipment are in white, and there are also a good amount of auras which will go back to your hand once they’re put in the graveyard like rancor or draconic destiny while with equipment it only ETBs once. So focusing almost solely on enchantress will get you more triggers for his ability, and its much easier to avoid running out of steam
>>94362929We're in the normalized era of mechanically unique, limited print run, direct to order UB slop cards, proxy literally everything and don't give jotc your money
>>94362974ummm proxies aren't allowed at this store/table
>>94362918I've been goldfishing this bastard for a while but I just can't get it to feel quite right. Basic idea is essentially a secret Krenko deck but with better ramp and I can fling 49+ damage at someone's face if I have to.
>>94363015I agree, let me examine your deck bro>*wipes salt and vinegar crumbs on sweat pants*
>>94363060>Salt and vinegarBruh. You wanna go for the dorito/cheeto dust.
>>94360710I build my decks to do nothing until about turn five or six. By then usually one person at the table has gotten very scary and is threatening to win soon with the other two struggling to slow them down. Then I do big Timmy shit that kills the scary person in one turn and lets the other two know now they have to kill me before I untap again, or I'll kill them both next turn. I've never won a game. I have no idea if I would be able to play this way outside of my two regular groups, nor do I have any desire to play differently.
>>94363060>>94363095>Not eating ribs at FNM
>>94363202It's rude to do that unless you bring enough to share.
Hare Apparent was the Relentless Rats type card I've been looking for. Do I build it as Finneas/Cadira (Selesnya), Arabella (Boros), or jam it all into Baylen?
Any secret tech for this dude? Mine shipped out yesterday so I started brewing it.
>>94363325Mayor Kambal like everyone else.
>>94363339Colossus HammerSwing him as a fattyYou did it champ
>>94363349I dislike Orzhov. I think I'll go Baylen.
>>94363339Basilisk Collar+ Trinket Mage to tutor it+ Imperial Recruiter and Recruiter of the Guard to tutor him
>>94363339excalibur
>>94363339His first ability should be "Whenever an equipment is unattached from Captain America he deals damage equal to that Equipment's mana value divided as you choose among one, two or three targets."Then at least he could combo with Sunforger. Pretty lazy design as it is.
>>94363325I was looking at it to fill the gaps in finneas. My list is mostly pump spells and rabbits but I could swap a couple shitty rabbits and pumps for some hares
Which precon feels the most inspired by the set it belongs to? Most precons feel soulless with generic reprints and a few set lore specific cards sprinkled in.
>>94363431Definitely the Brothers War ones.
>>94363434>retro framesgross
>>94363431>>94363434This.Also the Infect precon from ONE
>>94361801I 100% agree with you. While there are some cool arts like Phyrexian stuff.. most MTG art is HORRIBLE. Like, Nahiri is one of the ugliest things ever. Every of her cards is absolute trash... except for the one that's jap only.
>>94363463>Nahiri is one of the ugliest things everFag
playtesting my fishing pole deckdidn't get fishing combo to go off, but I spark doubled into For the Common Good
I love this crazy bitch like you wouldn’t believe. Nobody ever sacrifices anything to her trigger so you end up drawing 15 cards before someone at the table realizes it’s a problem.I run her as reanimator, you draw so many cards you can just discard your targets when you go to hand size.
>>94363678I always realize it is a problem, but early on it can be difficult to deal with if they are saccing non-creatures. It is extremely KOS in my pod though. She'll almost never live more than a turn.
>>94363463>>94363463that looks like shit imoI don't know what it is about the artists Wizards hires that they can be Japanese and they still come out looking like something off of some weeaboo's deviant art or a christopher hart book 4/5 times. Maybe the art director is to blame?like look at this fucking shit
>>94363745Look at the non jap version tho... fucking white she hulk.. it's soooo bad
>>94363757I mean the anime art being better than regular Nahiri art isn't saying muchexhibit A: post-op Lex Luthor
>>94363776Those lips man..They always do this.. they ruin their own cards with art. It's a mystery to me how they managed to make chandra look somewhat attractive
>>94363824Those are called full lips, you find them on non-asian women.
How against rule 0ing 3 of these into a deck would you be?
>>94363858Fabulous
>>94363862not at all, because it's not very good by commander standards
Are OTJ precons any good? I got back into mtg late but love the wild west theme
>>94363862I honestly think cards that specifically name a number of themselves as a cost or trigger should be allowed to run at exactly the valid number. (IE: For Say Its Name, that would be 3 copies). It certainly wouldn't break the format... I don't think.
>>94363952>goodQuick Draw, Desert Bloom>okayGrand Larceny>skipMost Wanted
>>94363862I wouldn't be against it at all. It's not exactly amazing
>>94362058See now you get it. He's playing a cedh deck and pretending it isn't.>>94362713This but his deck is easily a 9, maybe a 10.
>>94364227Could you seriously let this go, anon? What difference does it make if Swordbro's deck is strong? Who is being hurt? Not every deck has to be a 5 or a 6 or whatever your personal standard is. Shut the fuck up and go to bed, it's fucking 3:20am and you're still seething.
>>94364235>cedh pubstompers ruining the game are okay if they have a trip
>>94363952>5 colors>4 preconsI will never understand this
>>94364276>4 player game>not monocolored preconsWow I solved it
>>94364227>maybe a 10Okay, at this point they're obviously trolling. lol
>>9436428510 just means cedh and I'm not trolling just because your retard
>we're doing this againWhy
7 btw is the dumbest shit possible which is why the entire thing is retardedeven wotc's retarded one drop rule makes more sense than the 7 btw scale
Looking at Thalia and the Gitrog, do you spoonfeeders got any tech recs for piloting em into bog-standard Edgar Markov and Ur Dragon piles?Cause that's pretty much gonna be the deck's only use case.
>>94361465The guy is fine apparently, not sure what happened.I'll get him next time
>>94364227Swordbros decks are all pretty decent and nothing else, get off it
>>94364227>>94364349way too much attention is being paid to a namefag
>>94364358You think I don't know that? The decks are fine, why is he seething?
>>94364320what is the deal with all these "AND" cards??
>>94364320So you're looking to build this deck and you're going to be playing it against Edgar Markov and Ur Dragon?Thalia's body should protect you from vampires early game. Play card draw and use the additional land per turn so you can ramp up and beat them late game.Ur Dragon you disrupt pretty heavily with Maze of Ith or Thaumatic Compass. If you're fine with running tutors, you can easily do that in your colors.
>>94361549I sure hope so, anon. but how they worded their future plans isn't making me very optimistic
>>94364349Why are you defending him? Does he pay you to act like you're his friend?
>have a landfall deck>should put in Avenger of Zendikar as a top end that synergizes with the rest of the deck>but ProgenitusThis is a goofy ass deck to begin with, should I just put it in bros? The deck is basically split between making mana for more lands and big unga.
>>94364390Represented unlikely alliances as entire planes put aside their differences to fight off the Phyrexian invasion in MoM, and tend to fuse the mechanics/colors of both character's old cards
>>94364437I don't think they want more death threats desu
>>94362918If you haven't made Xenagos, do so.He's been talked to death here, but he's fun because power matters + haste is always great. >It would be bad if that creature attacks or connects. Luckily it doesn't have hasteInto hitting them with a hasted Malignus with power equal to the highest HP opponent. Can fling him afterwards too.It's a cozy commander
>>94364390There's a super highway between planes now. Any character can appear anywhere.This is from a set that was a giant "climactic" battle wherein these pathways were opened by the Phyrexians and all of the heroes and monsters and iconic characters came out to work together and destroy the Phyrexians.It was like end game but gay.
>>94364484didn't wotc state in the take over that they will be taking care of that? whatever that means. it sounded to me like "they could take it"
>>94364467I think either is fine.
>>94360051sneed it
>>94364538In all likelihood they're prepping for it. They will unbanned and stuffed into the highest tiers of the brackets. They put some insurance in place for the RC not to go rogue and ban without digression from wotc, but it happened anyway. Any ban on big money cards sucks for them, they can axe cheap stuff like Nadu because it isn't making much at two or three dollars. They used cards like dockside and crypt to sell sets before and they'd like to again when the time is right. Expect some other former money cards off the banlist and into tier 4 when it goes up. I've always said the way the RC was run for years was perfect for wotc. They took all the heat and banned nothing while wotc got to print whatever they want whenever they wanted to and always made money. Any mistakes got the rule 0 discussion thrown at them. The bracket system is genius on their part. All the cards stuffed into whatever the highest tier is can be expensive, retarded, and pseudo banned while retaining price because they're technically still playable. It's better than the old ban system as far as they're concerned because now they can just point at the bracket system and the high tier when a problem pops up without crashing the cards. Sure they take a little heat on bracket rollout and unbans, but who cares they're used to it by now. The real part of the whole situation that sucks for them is the loss of their scapegoat, the RC, that ate all the shit for them about being asleep at the wheel of the format. But now it's so much easier for them, community is melting down about the new Crovax, Rapebastard Reborn? Banished to tier 4. The RC will wish they had it so easy
>>94364579Nice
>>94364587I hope splitting the format backfires on them and destroys EDH. >:)
>>94364587I also feel the brackets will only serve as 4 "banlists" in the community's eyes no matter what they say if the system comes out like it was revealed. some major changes would have to take place to correct it
>>94360239same here, and myself and my playgroup play battlecruise most
>>94364358This>>94364227The problem with the deck in question is that it's just very acceptable and probably pretty good. It isn't some boogeyman 9 or 10, but likely a reliable 8 until he adds in stronger counters/removal like Cyc Rift, Fierce Guardianship, etc. More ramp like Cryptolith Rite, and some dorks like Llanowar/Fyndhorn Elves. And lastly, I think he could trim down cards like Kyren Negotiations, Razorkin Needlehead, Enduring Courage, Beastmaster Ascension, and Sakashima/Spark Double for more consistency in plan like Wheel of Fortune, and maybe some Cascade so he can hit wheels/ramp multiple times per turn.
>>94364642Tier 1 will be 80% of all decks, since building in T1 will mean you have the greatest chance of playing games. Tier 4 will become the new cEDH, and tier 2/3 will languish in the realm of local play groups agreeing to play the "strong casual" tiers.>source?I just woke from a dream where it was so
>>94364596Why is the mom made of goop? Sentient jars of cum voltron into a MILF?
>>94360467this fucking combo keeps getting bigger
>>94364720He'll figure out Pili Pala + Ashnods Altar eventually
>>94364374>>94364701>both replies agree with >>94364358>both go on to argue about the namefag anywayhopeless
>>94364832>people want the final word to shut down retarded argumentswow no way
>>94363034If you're interested, I have a Thromok list that feels alright. I'm probably still gonna tinker with it a little bit (adding more tutors in the vein of natural order and such, adding more desirable effects on a stick like bane of progress and apex altisaur). I'd highly suggest protean hulk if you aren't running it. Can fetch a lot of good stuff (like terror of the peaks, which will then enter before thromok does).
>>94364320you're in colors for stax so there's that
>>94364832look man thread is quiet and id rather not spend the next 25 hours debating if a deck is cedh or not. I'd even tierlist his posted decks just to not have to deal with this shit anymore.
>>94364902Do it, make a tierlist. Post links to decks. You fucking won't, faggot.
>>94364913i really hoped you weren't gonna say that. Okay. I'm going to do the simple shit and go A to D and do all the decks I've seen him post around here or post pics of.>A+ Tier (Fringe Cedh)Mono-Blue Urza (would be S tier if not for the stupid snow subtheme and only one or two combos)https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8532878/blurza>A Tier (8 or soft 9)Xyrishttps://www.archidekt.com/decks/9997908/welcome_to_the_serpentarium>B Tier (7 or low 8)Sidar Jabari of Zhalfir Knight Tribalhttps://www.archidekt.com/decks/8532477/knightly_eminenceCoram, the Undertaker Graveyard Voltronhttps://www.archidekt.com/decks/8002157/mortuary_moment>C-Tier (7)Zinnia etb https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8771558/babymaker_5000Nekusar wheelshttps://www.archidekt.com/decks/5937193/gavlan_wheel_gavlan_deal>D-Tier (high 5 up to low 7)Faldorn Exile/Suspendhttps://www.archidekt.com/decks/2879074/suspension_of_disbelief
>>94364961what makes xyris that high? looks like a generic slop pile to me with nothing super egregious and it doesn't even have an infinite unlike sidar
>>94364961This is off though. Why do bad players speak so authoritatively
>>94364961I think Xyris should be in the same tier as Urza but otherwise good list, anon.
>>94364990Xyris has a ton of wheels and ramp so he can set off repeated impact tremors bombs early in the game. It's not so much that it's some combo-heavy deck, but it's hard to pin it down when it can go fast.>>94364992Go ahead, you make a list then. >>94364997It's definitely not as good as Urza is. As generic as his Urza pile is, it's still a combo-win likely every game with enough big construct blockers and counterspells to ward off combat decks and other combo decks. Nowhere near as good as RogSi, Kinnan, etc but very useable. Xyris would fold to even basic combos.
>>94364990>looks like a generic slop pile to methat's what high power decks are
>>94365007>Xyris would fold to even basic comboslike to sidar for example?
>>94365020If his Sidar deck had fast mana like Mox Diamond, Mox Amber, or other things like that then I would agree. As is, it's far too slow to keep up with Xyris and doesn't have enough removal to keep the 3/5 flying blocker off the board so he can't recur anything against it with his 4/3 flying commander.
>>94365015nnono, high power decks tutor combo
>>943650208/10 times Sidar will lose to Xyris, but the other 2 are just Vamp/Demonic Tutor into the combo.
>>94365007Xyris sidar coram 7Urza 9As it has always been ^.^>noooooo it has synergy its ceeeedddddhhhhh :(((((((
>>94365050I think you're underselling Xyris but otherwise fine
>>94365034can one really not test a deck on that site?
>>94365057there's a playtest button
>>94365062oh I missed it
>>94364961>Artifact Blastlmao why? Mental Misstep is 100x better
My decks suck but I almost always have fun playing at my store, what am I doing wrong?
>>94365086youre doing everything right, you retarded bish
>>94365086>I'm having a good time>what am I doing wrongNothing
>>94365028>describes generic value pile>B-BUT COMBOI'm not having a pointless debate with you. I put the decks on the tiers I think they belong on.
>>94365025aight I tested the decks a little and I found out the actual problem with the knight deck is not only the lack of fast mana but mana in general.there are way too few lands in there for those colors that can't search ramp like green and the rocks are not plentiful enough. also yeah the draw card in the command zone is way better than recursion even tho there are way more tutors for it
>>94360046Holy shit rent free
>>94365122I appreciate you testing it yourself yo figure that out.
>>94365135Kill yourself
>>94365122Were you regularly swinging with your knights for looting? I found the deck starts slow but quickly lands become discard fodder.
>solves te entire enchantment theme foreverhello
>>94365186if i see this in your command zone im gonna assume you're caged
>>94364316Its fucking retarded to the highest levels of retardation. Im good at putting myself in others shoes to better under their mindset, but this level of autism is to much for me
>>94365186Dogmeat seems better.
>>94365146Why would I do that. Nothing I said isnt true you fuckin goober. Leave it alone already
>>94365167not really, there are not that many cheap ones and the fastest I started to swing was on turn 4 but on turn 5 more consistently. the biggest hurdle was getting a keepable hand in the first place
>>94365235>I must play better cardactual brain dmg
>>94365244>"solved the archetype" doesn't mean "is the best"I don't get it
>>94365244Dogmeat is one of the worst Voltron commander.What kind of.. what.. what is wrong with you? Are you just sitting infront of your desk seething at magic all day waiting to shit on someone?
>>94365186Yenna seems far funner to run. sythis in the 99. In fact Yenna seems really fun- any anons have a list they can share?
>>94365235How? Not even remotely >can easily whiff on etb>needs things to do for further card advantageThe only "benefit" is having red but that is hardly a benefit for enchantress theme more a personal choice
>>94365254This is /edhg/, so most likely they are
>>94365261Dogmeat has the benefit of equipments and even if he whiffs on etc, he throws 5x trash away, that's why.I don't trust enchant commanders that can't reliably get equipment too.
>>94365271>enchantment theme>Well he's better cause he has equipments Uh... okay
>>94365298Yes, to support the enchants, you need equips. Enchants rarely ever provide any form of protection.
>>94365299I'm glad to see your IQ has not risen
>>94365271>>94365299>>94365235man, this is te type of retardation that we share a board with, some guy who ACTUALLY thinks dogmet is in any way, shape or form better than sythislmao
>>94365309Way better.Cope
>>94365186I prefer Eriette, but yeah
>>94365186It was already solved with Tuvasa. Sythis is just a sidegrade from that, sacrificing blue and the pump to get stronger card draw in the command zone
>>94365299I mean the literal exact opposite is true anon. Equipments hardly ever provide protection. I know there have been a small handful released recently that do but that is still thoroughly in the aura ballpark
>>94365186She's probably the most optimal yeah, but I think pic related is much more interesting.
>>94365334Me too. The only interesting aura commander i can think of off the top of my head. Sadly she's very commander centric obviously so I've never had too much success with her outside of a few games my lgs just kills her after the first big drain
>>94365402watch xim post the boots and hats and boots and cats
>>94365402Mithril coat, thran power suit, silver shroud costume, swiftfoot boots, champions helm, prewar formalwear, masterwork of ingenuityI mean.. that's the most important things to run. Equipments are about protection and trample. What else are u doing with them?
>>94365424>ward 2>masterworkReally scraping the bottom of the barrel to prove your objectively incorrect point. You at least could've said the premier defensive equipment, especially for an enchantment theme, robe of stars but you're a numpty fuck
>>94365430
>>94365424>>94365430Prewar formalwear isn't even a defensive equipment what the fuck lmao and>trampleThere are 43 aura cards which include the word trample. 40 equipments.
>>94365415called it
>>94365435>be entirely wrong>be smug about itYou do you mikuanon
>>94365440Would u call feign death defensive? I would. So then that is defensive too. But I guess not everyone can be good at this game like me
Mana crypt and jeweled lotus will be unbanned January 6thtrust the plan
>>94365448... which card are you trying to compare to feign death?
>>94365403I like doing token doubling/populate shenanigans with her zombies
>>94365457pay attention, prewar formal wear, scrub
>>94365469Recursion is neither defensive or protection....
>>94365497Sure is
>>94360701hilarious in my soldier deck where i can actually boost his power."Do you pay 6?""Fuck, no"
I'm finally doing it. Taking apart my Asmira deck which was also voltron and turning it into Krond. Asmira wasn't consistent enough although it was fun
>>94361246>midnight huntThe sun is permanently retreating, witches use the celetus to restore the balance and prevent eternal night.>Crimson VowOlivia is bewitching Markov to be his bride. Hoping to control all vampires on innistrad. Has a big wedding, captured sigarda gets free, ruins the evening.
>>94361858why would you not run scavenger grounds? If your manabase is supporting pure greed and one single colorless land messes you up you've built too fragile anyways.
>>94365240I mostly found once I was going it sped up but hit speed bumps constantly because it's just a combat deck
>>94366129it's one of those very feast or famine decks where it might combo out just enough times to draw hate but most of the time just slams a bad creature that will die in combat
>>94366334i THINk (this is paraphrasing) that he said he relies almost entirely on sidar to bring out the weak knights for tribal benefits and using their... let's say "unique" abilities for fun like the color-hate ones.
>>94362313>ancient tomb>og duals>single basic of each type>off-color fetchlandsbracket 4
>>94365186post it
>>94362313>0 nonbasic destruction that could also fix you>0 utility like maze or field of the dead6/10 it just folds to price of progress or from the ashes
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>>94366530One of these days I hope to find a monored commander who interests me.
>>94366633axonil has been pretty fun
>>94366646I've only seen it as a Norin/Purphoros style deck which is the last thing I want to play. Do you have a different build?
>>94366633I play that card in ghen because he can get rid of it if needed
>>94366676yeah i don't really do tremors, i do equipment and things that can tap creatures/artifacts for pinging or just untap whenever you cast a red spell pingers. pump his power a lot and you can start doing 8 damage to everyone for 1 mana. I also run mana barbs and burning earth and a bunch of other random pingers
>>94366676>>94366688play equipment to buff axonil, tap equipment with pic to burn opponents for all their life gg
>>94364784I figured it out early, I couldn't find pili pala at stores that sell it>>94364720I've got my combo and the backup combo and the backup backup combo
>>94366710neat, but if I tried anything that scary I'd be wiped off the face of the earth right after my permanents
>>94365254Yes
>>94364961I appreciate that the only deck listed under a 7 is the one I was so sad wasn't good I took it apart lmao
>>94364784Pole + Guard + Altar works too.
>>94364961>a high 5 is a D-Yet another example of why the "deck is a 7" system is flawed as fuck
>>94367087We should use the game reviewer scale
>>94367232my deck is 7.8/10
>>94367278So it's unplayable, got it
>>94365186I just think she's neat
>>94367306In what world is a 7.8 unplayable? I guess you just burn anytime 6.0 or lower
>>94367327It seems like it would be absolutely horrendous to track copies with this card.
>>94367376Buy some of those whiteboard cards
When would you want to put Health or Guildgates lands into your 2 color decks? Would it not be better just to put a basic instead, or would it be wise to run a couple?
>>94367440I never run them, most 2 color decks don't really need them if you include the duals that already come in untapped/ have easy conditions, and have good enough ramp that also mana fixes
>>94364961That Xyris deck needs a three tree city and maaaaaybe a mana echoes slammed into it
>>94367440in UB, UR, BR, maybe, but White and Green can easily search for non-basic plains/forests that it's not needed, and even then you can just mana fix with signets and other rocks instead
>>94367480>>94367020do you have a three tree city?
>>94367718Yeah I've got a spare copy of that, and I also have one in Sidar that I could probably do without. Unsure.
What is the power level of my Henzie deck? My friends always have a bad time playing against it and they claim that it's an 8 and veering into cEDH, but I know it's not that.I think I just run a lot of interaction so they feel bad when I control the field.https://moxfield.com/decks/P8aqxvJCeEa5fEEOGHy-zA
>>94367738high interaction always hoses battlecruiser tables
>>94367738the elves that give green are a weird choice and there are no utility lands or a lot of instants but I mean your commander is a KOS so maybe your opponents are just playing legends that don't ramp and draw
>>94367384These are annoying as shit. I've never encountered anyone who doesn't get annoyed whenever it is necessary to use them and stop the game to draw shit on them. Cleaning them afterwards is even more annoying.
>>94367828this. I draw as a hobby and made my own ones but only used them once. pure tuber showmanship bait
>>94367737Do it, throw one in. Sidar needs some work too.
>>94361246sorin comes back to innistrad to talk to his uncle but finds his coffin empty cause he got date raped by olivia, sorin tries to be like hey uncle shes tricking you man and hes like sorin ive been lonely for too long i need this pussy and then theres like something with the humans and they crash the party and thats it i guess
>>94367828I've never had anyone take more than two seconds to draw a stick figure on them.
This is where my krond list sits. Help with cuts please friends https://www.archidekt.com/decks/10041772/krond
>>94367992yeah at which point it's kinda useless and you might as well use dice on flipped cards. unless they have some specific abilities and then the text takes most of the space anyway
>>94368003i mean yea if you're only making 1 token but when anon is making treasures, clues, 1/1 soldiers, 4/4 beasts, 3/3 golems, and 3 different clones it's nice to know what the tokens are supposed to be
>>94367992>>94368003People draw the image? I just write the power/toughness, card type(s), and any keywords.
>>94367870I've been thinking of trying to fiddle with Sidar a little more, I really like how the deck plays and rarely have to mulligan. Some of the knights are definitely not strong, but they're fun.
>>94368031i mean drawing isn't even that big of a deal since you have 3 other players turns to draw a stick figure with wings or whatever
>>94368043Oh it's not because of difficulty, I just like the those 3 card details being larger. With no image you can write them nice and big, easier to read quickly on a crazy commander board.
>>94367828Takes a few seconds max to doodle something or at least write the name and any relevant abilities + power/toughness. Also you should be doing the bulk of that after passing priority. I’ve never seen anyone have an issue with them
>>94368030sure. I just try to carry the tokens my decks needs with me. the only time I haven't done this is when it does unique ones like ratadrabik
>>94368053>>94368031>>94367992Even if you do take the care to draw your token it looks ugly as shit on top of all the hassle. It really is a memed product by youtube shills.
>>94367997Not a cut, but skybind is funny with the dragon auras to lock down 6+ cmc creatures or blink them. Please include this interaction in your deck, thanks in advance.
>>94368139>what do you mean you don't have the random token to go with this piece of bulk you slotted into your jank deck?
>>94368139Yeah, and then we joke about how shit an artist the person is. Do you not banter with your table?
>>94368033Are you taking suggestions for your decks?
Are you ready for Nu-MTG?
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