Emperor editionPrevious thread:>>94362807>New to The Horus Heresy? Here’s Everything You’ll Need to Get Startedhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics>HH1 Black Books<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDLR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4oQ<slash>folder<slash>NqlCmSpI>HH2 Rules and Supplements<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDLR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4oQ<slash>folder<slash>1rki2Q6D>Miscellaneous Extras (Visions and Old Rules)<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDLR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4oQ<slash>folder<slash>Q61izSiS『Adeptus Titanicus and Legionis Imperialis』>Adeptus Titanicus Rules and Supplements<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDLR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4oQ<slash>folder<slash>IukARSLT>Legiones Imperialis Rules and Supplements<slash>folder<slash>Mm8nlDLR#zBOQhHGcCacWYRSdK7f4oQ<slash>folder<slash>Fi9kQSwB>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>homemade missions:https://clawsandfists.blogspot.com/2019/09/matched-play-missions-for-adeptus.html>Thread question:GW want to release miniature for Emperor of Mankind and (You) get to write rules for him, what rules you give him? Alternatively sculptor misunderstood his assignment and now you have to write rules for Imperator Titan.
I wish I was even a quarter as talented as the guy who made this monstrosity, I'd love a floating ball of wires with a brain in a jar as my archmagos on abeyant, maybe even some mind slaved guys poking out holding the weapons... oh a man can dream
>>94374098>TQm6 ws3 bs3 t3 1w i3 5+ statline BUT you can make up any rule or change to the statline as long as you're able to bullshit your opponent into believing it to be true
>>94373062They actually can take shotguns in 2.0
>>94374098I'd port over 1.0 Magnus, give him His sword and tweak him to be Horus-tier in melee. I'd probably give him things like Hatred(daemon,traitor) and more too and I'd also look at the rest of the primarchs for more inspiration considering they were made from Him.
>>94374118Anon that model isn’t even that difficult to do…
Interesting combinations to take with the Morbius Configuration? So far I've got Blackshields with Eternity of War being able to stick their IC in any unit and give it the benefit of that OathNot sure what other combinations are possible with legion wargear and rites
>>94374537I'm brain dead retarded with no idea where to begin. I have somewhat of an "idea" for the three bodies jutting out of it though, probably copying the main one and I'm thinking tech-thralls/servitors for the other two with the appropriate guns for arms.
>>94374098>TQRoll 2D6. on a 3+ you win the game. Snake eyes spawns 5k points of Orks (or demons late Heresy) in control of your opponent. This can be rerolled if you are allied (or against late heresy) with Horus.>statlineTBD
>>94374549Just make a ball/pear shape of aluminium foil, attach some techy bits/tail/tendrils/arms with pinning rods where you think it looks appropriate, attach the bodies, sculpt something/put modelling putty around the areas attaching the parts to the aluminium clump after gluing all of them together, then create greenstuff cables using a greenstuff world roller/comb or guitar wire and wrap it around the clump, covering all the exposed aluminium.Done.
>>94374656Huh... that sounds way less stressful than how the warcom article the image is from saysn it was made (a big ball of putty held up with strong wires). Thanks for the advice anon
>>94374118Half tempted to get a mechanicum allied detachment, purely to convert a magos that looks like a crab.
>>94374702>purely to convert a magos that looks like a crab.Make him anon, the giant enemy crab
>>94374098>and (You) get to write rules for himM8 WS8 BS6 S8 T8 W8 I6 A6 LD10 (yes, thats just ascended horus's statline), Primarch (well, emperor, but same function (cant be debuffed, can always allocate wounds, fearless, the works)2+ armor, 3+ ward save, cannot be hit or wounded on better than a 4+ regardless of special rules. Rerolls failed saves against attacks from demons, psychic powers or with the force special rule. Psyker that can take four powers out of any disciplines as he chooses (he is also immune to perils of the warp)Warlord trait makes every unit in your army fearless. Gives three bonus reactions, to be used as you want throughout the turn (so maybe you take two in the movement phase, none in the shooting phase, one in the assault phase)Sword is master crafted force Ap2 with deflagrate and forces ward saves to be rerolled against it, instant death vs corrupted and demons.His glove is a second specialist weapon (so gives him +1 attack) and is just like the talon of horus (yes, its a downgrade, its just there for the extra attack)First time per game he would die on a 2+ he instead doesn't die and gets d3 wounds back, every subsequent time he would die he instead doesent die on a roll of 1 higher than last time (so 3+, 4+, 5+, 6+...)If he dies then he is worth 2d6 victory points on top of any objectives or mission results. Oh, also he causes gives enemies within 12" -1 to LD, -3 if they are demons, psykers or corrupted. This is not worded as a "fear" effect and so units that are immune to fear are still affected. 1.5k points.
Other than GW, does anyone know a different line of miniatures to make Mechanicum robots out of?
>>94374098>TQi like to think of the emperor as an absolute master at field command and not much else. he rely on malcador a lot. he needs the custodes and he came close to death at least twice (ork warboss and getting saved by the III legion)my guess is that he would be above lorgar or dorn in tems of bonus to the army, and be around horus-tier (and not above the empowered horus) in actual stats and melee.it's far more thematic that he straight up lose against chaos horus since he spent the entire heresy refusing to engage until the very end
>>94374802No. Sorry.
>>94374656Actually, one question, how would I pin bits to aluminum foil?
>>94374540could bring a Decapitation Strike alongside your Headhunter Leviathal and get 5 VP for Slay the Warlord, and if your RG die in the attempt that's an extra VP
>>94374952I use hot glue to hold my foil armatures together
>>94375123Well shit... guess it's time to buy and learn how to use hot glue
>>94374549It's 99% green stuff rolled with green stuff world roll makers.
>>94375227I was thinking of using guitar strings since I've had annoying experiences with greenstuff
>>94375232He even made a tutorial.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2-gMfHBJBHY
>>94375342Amazing, thanks anon
When a model has a shield like the custard one or the boarding shield, can they choose to not use it in melee or something like that?I'm a bit confused why Hetoeron guard can take shields with all the spear weapons when it actively prevents them from using them. Or why breachers can take bayonets
>>94375859>can they choose to not use it in melee or something like that?Nope. Shield is basically equipment, models either have it and have all the affects or they don't.
>>94375859>I'm a bit confused why Hetoeron guard can take shields with all the spear weapons when it actively prevents them from using themBecause they start with sword can also take diferent swords, power fists, talons and paragon blades that aren't two handed. It's like putting cataphractii character into tartaros unit, it's stupid and fuck you rulewise but you can do it.>Or why breachers can take bayonetsThey can't lol.
Reminder that Horus had Makuta on his side.
>>94375933Yeah?
>>94375941Is there a word in the sentence you don't understand?
>>94375950No it's moreso the whole sentence I don't understand, maybe I need to reread the first three books
>>94375933That's more of a downside than anything
>>94375957That sounds like a personal problem
>>94375966Probably
>>94375933>>94375941Horus procured the newest MkVI Kanohi masks to the Toa he believed would support his side
If Loyalists get the Emperor then Traitors should get Dark King Emperor.
Command squad finished. Got a painted command squad of every type of armour now. On to the last unit of infantry!
>>94374098>8/8/6/8/8/8/7/7/11/2+/3++/5+++>Primarch (Unique, Skirmish, Psyker)>Nemesor (duplicates Legio Custodes+grants Preferred Enemy on those targets)>Instant Death>Ignores Cover>Fearless>Adamantium Will (2+) (may take against Cybertheurgic attacks too)>unit unaffected by Anathema sub-type penalties>Infiltrate+Shrouded (3+) on first turn or Deep Strike+Blind (within 6" of Emperor/Custodes unit he is in) >all Disciplines available to Loyalists>Psychic checks always taken at Ld, no modifiers (inc additional dice) may be added/subtracted>discards first Perils suffered personally/by unit per turn>"Instead of Shooting" does not apply for Psychic>auto-passes check for Aetheric Lightning>Daemons count turn number as one higher when the Emperor is on the battlefield>Daemons/Corrupted take 2x wounds for failed Morale when Emperor is on the battlefield>Militia ignore sub-type fall back/regroup provisions when the Emperor is on the battlefield+LoS>Emperor's weapons/effects (and those of his unit) can reduce Primarch statlines other than his own>Destroyer weapons treated as Ordnance weapons when Wounding>bolt pistol or serpenta>select any one melee+ ranged weapon from those below or two melee>may take shield for free- adds nothing to saves but forces enemy rerolls to Wound and in melee to Hit, counts for Heavy without conferring Heavy penalties>Bucephon: 24" S5 AP4 Rapid Fire 2 Breaching 5+ Pinning 'Bolt'>Austercone: 15" S6 AP4 Assault 6 Blind Deflagrate 'Volkite'>Gaignun: 24" S6 AP4 Assault 2 Rending 4+ 'Auto'>Vigilex: 18" S5 AP1 Assault 2 Deflagrate Instant Death Gets Hot 'Adrathic'>Tencendur: 24" S5 AP4 Rapid Fire Psy-shock Pinning Shell Shock (1) Moonsilver 'Bolt'>Appolonian/Dionysian spears (if Valdor/Russ not using)>Emperor's Sword (as Gathering Storm III; Hits on 6 resolve as Destroyer; special Reaping Blow allocates 1A to all models in Engagement range if used)>Talon Astra: Melee x2 AP1 Shred Fleshbane Rending (4+) Specialist Weapon +1A
>>94376006Good job, Anon!
When were you lot talking about the size of a potential Imperator Titan and I mentioned this? Whatever regardless of the size of a model someone would buy it is I think the point that was being made.
>>94376307Geez... that's impressive
>>94376307Forge World made manta in early 2000. Fluffwise Manta have more widht than warmaster height. It also came with full detailed interior with entire cadre worth of fire warriors and battlesuits. IIRC model weight 12kg. And of course you could play with it since it had rules.
>>94376364The Manta is still probably their most based kit. Just in terms of fluff-to-practicality.
What base sizes are Scyllax Guardians on? The webstore doesn't say. I'm assuming 40s
>>94376462looks more like 32s
>>94376474Well that makes for more shelf space for me
>>94376307Your pic reminds me that Supercarriers are exactly the same Assault Carriers, just upscaled. Like, I just don't think a bigger ship should keep being the same shape?Even bigger Titans don't actually look the same as the smaller ones
>>94376504>I just don't think a bigger ship should keep being the same shape?man you are not gonna like Star Trek
>>94376504well the covenant is supposed to be kinda retarded, so them making one of their existing ship types, just scaled 10x larger, seems on brand for them
>>94376307That was a mockup they made for a con. They have not released the 4 foot supercarrier model.
>>94376547Yes but people still asked to buy it.
>>94376530Never watched it, what am I missing? I do like made up languages (like Russian), so I bet I'd like klingon or whatever>>94376532>Mfw the biggest covenant weapons shoot photons so big you can actually see them with the naked eye!The fact that even the Imperium doesn't seem to make that mistake is a bit surprising
Thinking about getting into LIgma, but unsure if I want to go Solar Aux or Space Marine. Not going Mech as it is too focused on walkers, I like vehicles. I like the idea of Solar Aux beating back the elite of the elite, but I think Astartes are more independent so I can make them more my guys. Unsure desu
>>94376556well as far as ship upscales gohttps://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/dominion-battleship.htmthis is actually one of the least egregious examples, there was the time they landed a ship on a sports field in Golden Gate Park (which is no more than 800m wide, with no flat fields more than 140m wide and most far less) and then built a fishtank big enough to hold two 16m humpback whales in it was pretty bad, especially since that particular ship is mostly neck and engines and guns, so if it could really land where they show it landing it would be so small you'd have to flip up the top to get inthere's good stories but man they are bad at scale almost universally
>>94375989Traitors get ascended horus, who is just as much of an absent father figure.
>>94376556>Never watched it, what am I missing? I do like made up languages (like Russian), so I bet I'd like klingon or whateverNTA, but re-use of ship models, both studio models and later CGI means that some ships are literally just upscaled or downscaled versions of different ships that appeared previously.I only recommend watching Star Trek if you've got enough time to watch a shitload of it because most of the series start badly and improve over the course of their (long) run. That said I personally really like both TNG and DS9 overall, and some of my favorite star trek episodes (Living Witness, Equinox, Warhead, Blink of an Eye,The Voyager Conspiracy) came from VOY, even though that series of overall poor compared to DS9 or TNG. If you do decide to watch some star trek I recommend The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine and Voyager in that order. If you like 1960s science fiction then The Original Series is perfectly good television from that period and provides context for the later series which are set later chronologically.I'm going to go watch star trek now.
>>94376749you can do both
We've got a narrative event involving assaulting a titan graveyard for parts with NPC wild Automata involved. We're taking 4k points, how does the following list sound?>Blackshields, Pride is Our Armor + Only In Death Does Duty End Praetor, 2 Heralds, all in Cataphractii >10 Man Cataphractii Terminators in a Spartan, 2x5 man catas in land raider >2 kratoses, each with melta blastgun, hull las, volkite culverins, and decurion locus >3 vindicators with demolishers and dozens >fellblade (god I wish he could get a Decurion)orewise I'm thinking it's a detachment of the chapter Elites sent into the maelstrom to retrieve titan parts for some unknown purpose for their mechanicum overlords, so they're running a siegebreaker formation of heavy armor to break through any resistance quickly, get the loot, and get out. Doylian perspective is I really just want an excuse to run the big tanks I've got.
>want to see what others have done to convert the osiron force blade just for some variety >half the conversions on Google are people using stock plastic contemptors or 40k models with a 3d printed or recast force blade fist >the other half is just the stock osiron Not only do these look like ass but they're also the opposite of what I'm looking for
>>94377640What do you have against the stock osiron? It’s a downright excellent kit. If you just want to be different you could graft the librarian dread arm onto the upper arm of the osiron kit.
>>94377748Not him but the fixed head always irked me.
>>94377748I love the stock osiron, I'm just looking to vary it up since I'm planning on three of them. Maybe something like what you said or a converted custodes Dreadnought spear.
Which traitor Primarch had the smallest personality cult within his legion? Was it Perturabo?
>>94378371Curze is probably up there; the Night Lords are one of the very few legions that is commonly characterised as "half of his sons seemingly despise him"
>>94376006>haz stripes fists and chainfistsBased, based!
>>94378457Only because they hated themselves from childhood trauma, if they had more youth clubs and ping pong tables they would have grown up becoming respectable tax paying citizen.
>>94378620Surely
>You have dishonoured yourself, your Legion, your gene-father and The Emperor>Here, have this free Terminator armor
>>94378686>Here, have this free Terminator armor>now go and kill yourself NOW
>>94378686>>94379122TDA can survive damage that can kill the user, so once they die, they'll just scoop the remains out, rince it, fix damage, and hand it to the next vic-... user. Power armour would probably be far too mangled to be worth repairing it.
>>94378686>well, uh, terminator armour slows you down and you're a white scar so you shouldn't like that!>what do you mean we gave you the fast terminator armour?
>>94378686This >>94379122Such a cool fucking unit>grants no VP on deathwhen the rules are fluffy, I love it
>>94378686Unironically yea.WS would just run around without armor at all if it wasn't too much of a downgrade
Finally had some time to resume working on the SoS force, so here are the mostly assembled first 5 members of the Raptora Cadre. Still not sure what to use for the power fists on two of the remaining girls.Incidentally, anyone got an idea for a SoS-sized rocket launcher that might actually fit on the models? I'm kinda stumped.
>>94379229Shame about their overall rules being kinda bleh at best.
>>94378686>Go fight and die >Paint your armour blackDios mio the racism is appalling
>>9437757523 bodies and 9 tanks? hope you like melta bombsI mean it's a lot and it'll probably do some damage but the Vindicators are the weak link and will die first, the Kratos/Fellblade are the main firepower; anything that takes out a Spartan/Land Raider slows you right down, anything that snipes a Herald takes away your Line and you don't have the bodies for Denial unitsdepends on the Automata but you're not going to enjoy graviton weapons I think
>>94379270Those ponytails look great, are they from wyches or something else?
>>94379587They're from the DoK Melusai.
What do I do as an SA player if my opponent has a primarch?I had a chat with a mate at my LGS and apparently there are a couple of people who use them. I’m not asking what units like counter them or anything since list building like that is cringe, but more so just how do I deal with them and make sure they don’t fuck me up too hard. They seem like they give a wide range of benefits for the points value they give and if my tanks go down I’m pretty sure anything within half a table’s worth of distance to them is just dead. My friend suggested taking a “beat stick” of my own like a lancer knight to cause some havoc in their lines but I don’t really know if the two are comparable desu
>>94380005>What do I do as an SA player if my opponent has a primarch?Die well>THRONE OF TERRA>THRONE OF TERRA|>THRONE OF TERRA
>>94380005>What do I do as an SA player if my opponent has a primarch?You thank your opponent for investing a boatload of points into a primarch *and* a deathstar unit *and* and a transport *and* support while you are free to pile all those points into useful things. So what if his mega-brick eats a unit a turn? Let him, he'll never earn his points back. Feed him Tercios until he chokes on them, space your units and draw back where needed so he has to waddle around in frustration while you pound the rest of his tiny army into submission.
>>94378686>>94379122>>94379143>>94379203>>94379229>>94379239>>94379507>>94378686Shouldn't the unlikeable armour be Cataphractii, the death trap you can't run in?I think the Raven Guard do it better. Deliverers are the opposite of Corax' tactics, and they aren't wrong and even saved Corax' life, so he ends up looking like an asshole when he ignores them.Just like those WS, I feel the Deliverers would totally have followed Horus if he had asked instead of doing the drop site massacre.
>>94379281Rules are temporarymodels are eternal>sold outoh :(
>>94380005Most primarchs aren't worth their points cost, for being just a huge beat stick and some minor army buffs. Best thing you can do is keep your distance, feed them sacrificial units, and use your vanquisher cannons to shoot them down whilst they're not locked in combat. Heck, could even try to tarpit them with 20 bodies with Ld 11 and Stubborn.Bringing a big beatstick of your own to deal with a primarch is the worst possible tactic you could do. It is trying to beat a unit that is the strongest in melee and can only earn its points back by killing big expensive units, by engaging it in melee with a big expensive unit. Specially knights are a terrible idea, their melee weapons are shit at dealing with primarchs or dreadnoughts, their WS is only 4, they're vehicles so will die real easy, and because a knight is a LOW it will give your opponent more VP when it inevitably dies as well. >>94380042>Over 1500 points tied up in one transport + deathstarIt's half the army that is so incredibly easy to inconvenience, yet people are still so scared of it. I like cock blocking the spartan's movement with empty Rhinos, whilst my entire army deal with the other half of their army.
Do you think they'll ever do another Heresy Thursday where they reveal new models for Hors Heresy?
>>94380174Don't be silly, anon.
>>94380123They totally would have, Horus valued the Deliverers greatly and even had them as part of his honor guard before Corax was found. In turn, the majority of the Deliverers were of decidedly favorable opinion of Horus.>Ceterum censeo Corvum Coracem ineptum esse.
>>94380174I don't believe anything now, they shat the bed
>>94380042this but>>94380005Vanquisher squadrons will murder a primarch's retinue surprisingly quickly, with or without the command tank; they will leave him standing by first murdering his Spartan (it is always a Spartan) turn one and unable to Run (because the Spartan-picker always picks Cata Command to surround him with, and he can't leave his Retinue); most of them have a shooting range of 12" and often very pathetic guns at that (not Vulkan tho) so taking out the transport makes them a big old blob of shitfor the cost of a Primarch you've got 3 Vanquisher Russes, for the cost of a Primarch+Retinue at least the flare shielded Command Tank as well, for the cost of P+R+transport you've got a whole second squadron - 3 BS4 vanquishers and 2-3 BS3 vanquishers, both with the co-axial bonus from their autocannons; take an allied Psyker with Divination and you've got yourself a womp-womp squad for beating up Primarchs
>how do I deal with [X] as solar auxilia >well you see with enough vanquisher russes-This is why I will never play solar auxilia. Nothing against those who do, but having an army where your only incentive to run troop units is tarpitting is an awful idea. They should've just given them fucking orders.
Odds that we get nothing at all tommorow?
>>94380384It's a marine world, we're only living in it. If we gotta leverage our strengths then so be it.
Do I strip this LR so my Iron Warriors can use it? It was never a part of any list for my WB.
>>94380419High, which means GW might actually give us something, which means we'll get nothing
>>94380384Welcome to non-marines. Shit's so poorly balanced.
>>94380432But it looks so pretty...Also wordbro I started painting my first 10 of 88 infantry and I have no idea how you manage to keep pumping paintjobs out so consistently.
got myself the melee weapons box earliershall I post an image of the spear when I build a model later?
How the fuck am I supposed to my hand on titan transfer sheets nowadays??
>>94380474Sure go for it
>>94380474Do what GW couldn't, you mad bastard
What do y'all think of using the new ZM rules for the starting points of an escalation league? I want to both start a new army (Terminator and Inductii focused TSons) and try and get more people involved, but what was holding me back is the only store with ZM terrain was the local GW who is stingy about pulling it out. But if I can use normal building terrain I can host at home or the indie FLGS instead.
>>94380419If by nothing you mean Ligma100%
>>94380577I think the incursion rules would be great for starting, and the buildings and mission rules seem to encourage some unique lists beyond the usual "just spam terminators and vets lmao", especially since the boards are 6' x 4' so it stops cataphractii from just dominating the matches.
>>94380419New paint schemes for the imperial fists order of the right bollock.
>>94380005Think of however much that primach and his inevitable deathstar need to kill to make their points back, then make sure they dont.A primach is at a very low ballpark around 450pts, his retinue is probably going to be around 200 at the bare minimum (and is probably a lot more given its likely to be a kitted out command squad/the legion elite terminators + maybe a chaplain), their transport is going to be worth a further say 200pts. That big wrecking ball is going to remove whatever it comes into contact with, and will be very hard to kill because primarchs can just tank a lot of the shooting youre throwing at them safely. But youre playing SA, they could remove a unit per turn and (if its infantry) you still have them be "point negative" in the end. Kill the spartan or land raider theyre in, and then basically just ignore them. Let them kill your SA troopers all they want, theyre not getting their worth. You are SA, you play a different game to the marine deathstar mosh-pit in the midfield. This is of course stereotyping how people use primarchs. It could be someone like Curze running around basically solo and making your entire army take pinning tests for the rest of the game. But Primarchs are generally taken by people who want their big invincible death-hammer.
>>94380384>having an army where your only incentive to run troop units is tarpitting is an awful ideaTacticals aren't exactly overachievers and they're genetically engineered super soldiers in power armour, what are you expecting baseline human troops to be capable of?
Are Gal Vorbak any good? Theyre cool as hell, but they seem like a bait unit on account of only 3+ armor and their lack of AP2. Also theyre expensive as hell.
>>94380794Don't they have murderous strike?Jesus what else do you want you whiny bitch.
>>94380761How do I deal with primarchs as a marine player who doesn't use primarchs.Just kill the transport, cover them in dangerous terrain to slow them down? I am hoping the answer isn't 'lol spam Lascannon HSS.'
>>94380793This.If anything solar should be even WORSE.Or give marines two wounds base like 40k did.In a game where everyone is a marine the 1w is fine but the second you have normal people too it's shit
>>94380876Brutal(2) :^)
>>94380876>Don't they have murderous strike?Wow, so cool. Anyways did you look at what the Ap on their claws is?
oh.yep, its BADwhat the fuck is this shit?
>>94380887>Just kill the transport, cover them in dangerous terrain to slow them down? I am hoping the answer isn't 'lol spam Lascannon HSS.'Yes, both of those things. Its the same logic, a primarch needs to kill a lot to make their points back, especially if they have a retinue. Slow them down, keep away. Their transport is also a Lascannon magnet and if something is going to put them down its a large number of high strength Ap2. 30 lascannon HSS is around the cost of a primarch and their party-bus and likely to severely cripple them. But you dont NEED to do that, you just need to make sure that you dont go feed that primarch your praetor and his retinue. Put rhinos in their way, put random tactical or despoiler squads in the way, dreadnoughts can potentially tarpit for a bit too.
>>94380876"the unit is fine, just fish for 6s harder" Lmao.
>>94380384>what do you mean my single digit PPM dudes that come in giant formations arent killing the most elite things in the game!SA troopers are a specialist unit with a specific niche, that niche is tarpitting, thats what theyre there for. They have decent LD, solid armor and a very low price point, in return theyre not likely to deal very much damage to the enemy.
>>94380470I've got no idea. I even have a busy job and a partner, but I don't do anything else when I'm back at my flat.What legion anon?
>>94380905Fag>>94380947>>94380989NOOOO I ONLY HAVE> 3 attacks base, can make them 4 attacks each with double claws> WS5 S5 T5 I5 3W> Rending and Murdrous Strike> Flat AP3> with Rage so easy 6A each on the charge> FNP that's only doubled out on a 5Shut the fuck up you whiny fags. They are fine.
>>94380956
>>94380947well vs TEQ for example 1/4 of their actual inflicted W will be AP2 ID, and even vs legion cata command TEQ with WS5 that's still 1/24 W/A non-Rending and 1/24 W/A Rending (via a different route) but vs WS4 cata it's 1/18 nonRending and 1/18 Rending, on a unit with WS5, 3A base Rage (2) S/T5 and FNP5+ and can get an additional A by giving its lacklustre shooting upif you gave them native AP2 they'd be a threat to vehicles and fortifications which is clearly not their roleif you gave them better Rending you'd still be bitching about "fishing" for 4+ or whatever because it's non-native AP2this unit inflicts D3 Wounds on a Contemptor/Leviathan every time it Wounds one at all, which is guess what 1/18
>>94380956show me the manualthere has to be a mistakealso please turn to head to face where the blade is pointing
>>94380384your incentive to run troops is that the other guy spent all his points on a useless deathstar that has to footslog across the board and can only do Denial, not Scoringmeanwhile you're sitting on the objectives with a squad and a demolisher cannon for support like some kind of arrow-straight Eldar Guardianshe gets to the end of the game and thinks he's won because he killed a bunch of defenceless mooks with 1k of elite troopsyou get to the end of the game and you have won because there were objectives, and you womped his primarch with vanquisher cannons for fun while you were getting the VP
>>94381059FUCK OFF LMFAO
>>94380384Blame GW for not making any other weapon options than the vanquisher just as viable. >For 5 points less you can get... a small blast with Str 8 AP 4 and pinning!>Or basically the same weapon, but without Brutal, less range, and no additional autocannon that can make the main gun twin linked!Shouldn't come as a surprise that SA players spam just one gun, when all the other options are so much worse for basically the same point cost. I don't know who made the SA rules, but they should be fired.>>94380956Not being able to turn the torso was not an issue they said. Why would you ever need to be able to adjust the position of the torso on your marines they said.
>>94381032You're right that Gal Vorbak are fine, but the problem is that they're bad IN THE META. They're taken apart easily by meta-tier units, which are usually kitted out terminator-equivalents armed to the gills with AP2 and instant death or brutal abilities. They don't really do anything other than take apart large units of 3+ armor save infantry, they're not strong enough to reliably ding tanks and anything bigger they fail to make a lot of headway on. Even worse, WB don't have any other units or special abilities they can take advantage of to deal with those units. It's kind of a huge problem with the entire legion.
>>94374118Find out how it's done and then do it I mean come on mate.
>>94381032>> Flat AP3Wow thats so good, its not like basically every relevant melee unit has 2+ or something.
>>94376364The Manta was mind-blowing when first released. Back when Forge World had balls.
>>94381116>WB don't have any other units or special abilities they can take advantage of to deal with those unitsOh come on, stop crying you stupid cunt. There is nothing preventing WB from fielding dreadnoughts, magna-melta predators, plasma deredeo, scorpius, laser destroyer vindicator etc. just like all other legions. There are so many good options to deal with thunder hammer terminators that deathstars of them being dominant in a local meta is a very good indicator of the average IQ in that area.
>>94381059Kektastic
>>94380956Golly if only you could rotate the torso so you could have the pose follow the direction of action determined by the spear.
>>94381032>Rending and Murdrous StrikeWow, rending 6+!GVB are bad vs 2+ armor, very bad, this makes them not very good when fighting all the 2+ armor melee units that many legions have, whether its basic command squads, suzerains, terminators or whatever else have you. Theyre power armor blenders in an edition where blending power armor is not a very useful thing to put on your resume.>but if you charge a dreadnought you can do so much damage since every wound is d3 wounds at ap2!Yea, if you charge a dreadnought with enough of them you can hurt it. You can also get smacked upside by that lovely brutal (3) fist, which your 55pts models will not appreciate very much. >> FNP that's only doubled out on a 5Or by anything with flat ID. But yes, S10 will instant kill them. Not that you need to instant kill them, they only have 3+ armor, which even with 5+ fnp is worse than a 2+ save.
>>94381116> le metaMaybe don't play with, or be, a faggot.Also> mhura ghul dreads> WS6 8W, I5, easy 4 attacks, 5 on the charge, 7 with rampage> S9 Brutal 2 murderous strikeYeah they kill those units you are whining you are not 'meta' at killingAlso> WB special plasma gun that doesn't get hot and also has fucking pinning in an army with easy access to Fear everywhereYou need to stop being a whiny faggot. WB are fine.
>>94381177>warhound titans and weapons>Reiver too>demon princes and great demons>custom regiments, chapters, etc.>Eldar titans, manta"40k is the best it's ever been" My fucking assI hate resin as much as the next guy but fuck we lost so much
>>94381014>legionhahahahahaha>I've got no idea. I even have a busy job and a partnerDamn, sounds like you’re just a time management god then honestly.
>>94376364Fuck, the manta is so based. I love the tau
>>94380432That should be carrying your 20 corrupted despoilers with attached chaplain you take to every game. So no
>>94381342Love the scheme though anon. How do you feel about your batch painting?IDK about time management, I think it's more compartmentalisation of my life. we're moving in together soon, so let's see how my output is affected then... >>94381377Anon, that's what the Spartan is for...
>>94381266>>94381094Butt guys they had to do it like that! Trust me I make molds for small british companies please understand
>>94381436Not funny.
>>94381416Thanks, cthonian headhunters are pretty cool. >How do you feel about your batch paintingHating every second of it to be quite honest, though I think that’s coming back mostly to being a me problem and skill issue. This is the first time I’m actually doing proper army painting, and really this is the most I’ve painted in like…4 years of hobbying? Combined with the fact the models only actually start looking like cthonians and decent near the end and being a slow painter in general is making this feel pretty demoralising, but I bitch a fair bit so I probs just need to suck it up. Can’t play games with unpainted models>spoilerCongrats! I’m sure as long as you talk things out it shouldn’t affect you too badly. You might get slightly less done but I can’t imagine it being too excessive if it hasn’t affected you already
>>94380174I expect only an irregular drip feed until the HH3.0 box set in late 2025.
why SHOULDNT I load 15 blackshields breachers with a 5+ fnp into a rhino?
>>94381494because a rhinos capacity is 12?
>>94381032>can make them 4 attacks each with double clawsOh, you mean that upgrade that affects 1/5 models in your 55ppm deathstar? That thing?
>>94381416> that's what it is forAnd that's how you should be using it. Just include it in the list> but meta!!!!!Stop being a fag> we are moving in togetherMake sure both names are on the lease/rental agreement/deed.
>>94381452I'm not laughing either, shit's fucked and we all know it
>>94381516that automata oath that lets you add transport capacity by taping guys to the exterior
>>94381494Because breachers can't take rhinos?
>>94381516does he know?
>>94381570>>94381556I did not know, proceed citizen
>>94381558wait shit forgot about this
>>94381570Does this take into account that normally only squads of 10 can take rhinos and that the usual 2 extra slots are for attached characters?
>>94381585you could do it if you had a different unit of 10 models, then put the breachers inside instead
>>94381585>Blackshields>not loyalist (technically) Marines What do you think?
>>94381094blame the faq
>>94380956Are you sure its not pointing the wrong way?
>>94381643absolutely certain, the thumbs on the hands are correct
>>94381661Idk, looks like its meant to go on the other way round.
>>94380956>>94381661Lift the arms, turn the head.
>>94381703I thought the exact same thingits an easy fix, just cut off the ends and swap them round, but...>BEST QUALITY MINIATURES COMPANY IN THE WORLD-gw could mass spam complaints at GW saying how the part has been miscast/misprinted or whatever so we can get some response as to why it looks like that
>>94381721No, I meant "just glue the hands to the other arm"
>>94381616Considering it still uses the army list of loyalist marines... What do I think? That it doesn't, and that the biggest squad you can take with a rhino is 10. But I could be wrong, which is why I asked in the first place... crazy right? Someone asking a question?
>>94381725doesnt work because of the thumbs
>>94381661Notice how the arms are angled up much more here than on yours?
>>94381741Why not? People can turn their wrists
>>94381331You can still buy almost all imperial titans, chaos, eldar titans, manta. Only one gone is Warbringer and Manta. You can still even buy chaos warhound and reaver.We lost Daemons, Renegades Elysians and shitton of upgrade packs tho.
>>94381760>ElysiansGone, but not forgotten
>>94381735>Considering it still uses the army list of loyalist marinesSo do the hereticus legions, who clearly GW doesn't give a shit about either.
>>94381787So true
>>94381751the arm poses doesnt allow for any posability, its just like that>>94381755anon....
>>94381787Honestly I thought people were exaggerating with the loyalist favoritism until I realized that all but one loyalist special Melee unit has Artificer armor (and the one that doesnt can take 3 fucking sergeants with artificer armor). Meanwhile among the traitors only the palatine blades have it. It's so fucking blatant, I actually thought I was miscounting or something.
>>94380956>>94381661You used wrong hand. Left arm is supposed to be bend one, not straight. It would make it point down to stab someone. You fucked up.
>>94381881nuh uh.
>>94381760Smol indie company plz understand
>>94374098So do space marines automatically go chaos if their primarch does?
>>94382009No. See Istvaan 3.
>>94381760I meant we lost new releasesI remember when the stuff was coming out, there was growth and exitement. That's gone. That, is what we lost.
>>94382009You didn't even do the bare minimum research before asking to be spoonfed.
>>94382009>So do space marines automatically go chaos if their primarch does?
>>94382009All of the good ones do. Loyalist traitors and traitor loyalists is for pretentious faggots like all the other invented for HH stuff like Leviathans, Sicarans, Mechanicum, nu-Armor Lore, and all the shitty mini tanks GW keeps trying to make.
>>94382059>remember when the stuff was coming out, there was growth and exitementYes I remember when new knight heads were coming out each week.>That's goneYes exitment was gone when it turned out this week release are knight heads.
>>94382093Are we shitting on leviathan dreads right now?
>>94382079that is a rather short blade to have Montante type of build. Especialy with that kind of a point. such an odd design choice. Like trying to merge a european and african sword.
>>94382118I keep hearing about knight heads, QRD?Sounds like some big trauma
>>94382120looks like it. I have a question for the anons here. Do you guys think a store can order the melee upgrade sprue or are they GW store only? I kind of a don't want to make a trip to the store just to ask under the weather we have here.
>>94382135I use a third party and it's delivered, cheaper, no need to walk to the store
>>94382120Every new HH specific Dread after the contemptor looks like garbage, imagine if the dev time that went into making those sculpts went into updating the old castaferrums molds and fully integrating that into heresy instead of making up fanfiction.
>>94382120Of course anon, because god forbid we actually enjoy heresy right?>um ackshually leviathans are cringe and not true heresy>um ackshually the mechanicum are cringe and not true heresy>assualt squads aren’t true heresy>primarchs aren’t true heresy>any model released for 2.0 isn’t true heresy>Night Lords aren’t true heresyShame people would rather talk about this garbage instead of anything interesting like games they’ve played or the models they’ve painted or put together.
>>94382122I need to do a blade swap on my TarvitzHe's a straight simple blade kinda nigga
>>94382197>charnabal greatsword>model has a power swordDoesn't sit right with me
>>94382190>>um ackshually the mechanicum are cringe and not true heresy>>primarchs aren’t true heresy>>any model released for 2.0 isn’t true heresy>>Night Lords aren’t true heresyAll of these are objectively correct though. If your primarch wasn't at the Siege of Terra your army is an NPC army.
All right, anons, in honor of the Most Mysterious Song on the Internet being Subways of Your Mind by FEX, I decided to get off my ass and scan up some semi-lost material for you guys.Fresh from April 2005's German WD 112, I give you Der Grosse Bruderkrieg. Supposedly the first time GW released actual rules for playing 40k during the heresy.
>>94382314Scans aren't perfect because I only have one copy and don't feel like breaking the binding, but I did clean them up a bit.
>>94382093>SicaransSIngle best looking marine tank, effortlessly mogs the rest>leviathanBest looking dreadnought, it or the mhara gal
>>94382323I'd prefer to leave translation to someone else, as I haven't used my German in years and I'm more than a little rusty.
>>94382314>>94382323Anon original Titanicus from 1988 was played during Heresy.
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>>94382345And I believe some people were looking for this page a couple of months back.
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>>94382377Original SoS rules. Custodes? Lol, just use Grey Knights.
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>>94382392Deutsher Ruestungautismus
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>>94382314> NazispiegelAnon this is an American board
>>94382361>Custodes are just gold marinesI see nothing has changed in 2 decades
>>94382409And a Contemptor and flying attack bike conversion.PDF link: https://gofile.io/d/8WmIpT
>>94380384>They should've just given them fucking orders.Unsure. I like the Orders system, but Militia ceases to be Militia and becomes the Imperial Army when it gains Orders. Then again, that might be a good thing.Still, what would you answer to >>94381084, who believes the strength of mortal human infantry shouldn't be skill at arms, but rather, to "Die on a Budget"?
>>94381201The Mara Gal dread is a joke that hurts your own units. Affecting psykers I can understand, but hurting daemons is just wild
>>94381494I will let you load 15 Blackshields in a Rhino by changing the wording of the option.BUT I won't let you load 15 BREACHERS, as they both don't have a Rhino as a DT, and started out as marines with Siege Mantlets in the Siege Assault Vanguard list, which were specifically prevented from boarding Rhinos and Razorbacks owing to the Shield's size.What say yoj
>>94382468Mhara Gal took the contemptor profile, already one of the best sheets in the game, and improved every stat that mattered (you're running double fists, who needs BS). it's a durable, arguably undercosted killing machine
>>94382416Thank you for sharing anon, that was pretty cool.
>>94382416Oh man, power-chariots could be cool as fuck.
>>94382468This is peak 'I don't actually play this game' posting. It's laughably easy to ensure the downsides, as weak as they are, don't effect your troops with still getting the best contemptor chassis dreadnought on the game.
>>94380956Pretty sure you are supposed to turn the arms more. It's the alpharius poseHaving a corpse in the base and the guy looking in that direction would would a lot better. The walking pose doesn't fit it eitherIt's still an incredibly retarded choice for the 1 spear in the set. What the fuck is wrong with them
>>94380895>Or give marines two wounds base like 40k did.Fuck no. If you want that balance mess go play 40k. They still haven't figured it out 8 years later
>>94382416Man, old WD was the coolest shit ever.
>>94380895Tactical marines are fine, they just need to tone down the elites a little.SA being better at holding ground than marines is also fine, thats their niche.
>>94382309>>94382093The Mechanicum featured extensively in Horus Heresy Collected Visions, and the included short story on the Kaban Machine preceded all other BL heresy fiction.The Mechanicum is more so true heresy than some of the Legions.
>>94380384this is just nogames fags who have never played with or against solar auxilia, they're repeating outer circle tier "I just read the book only" memes vanquishers are good for sure but so are>lascannon tanks>plasma cannon tanks>rapiers>carnodons>riflemen, especially with vox set up and stubborn to make them LD10 that cant be modified>charonites are honestly not bad for the costalso nogames fags always forget that solar auxilia can do group reactions and fire like 60 S6 shots to evaporate whatever marine shit tries to shoot them, infantry squads also counter conventionally op units like lascannon hss by being able to pepper them with shots without risking much in the process unlike marines
>>94382804>>charonites are honestly not bad for the costI think theyre very meta dependent. Theyre going to murder despoilers or the like, but theyre also going to get crushed by some of the more elite melee units.
>>94382128>Sounds like some big traumaYes.We go weekly releases from forge world, mostly 30k stuff each friday. Weapon here, some unit there, new titan out of nowhere.For entire month we got rhino doors and knight heads, literally separate head for knight you could buy. Week after week, new knight heads.It's not like multiple primarchs and units were missing models.
>>94382812they're only 125 points, they don't need to weigh up against terminators that cost 2x their points, they are priced accordingly to their role as big guys to protect your riflemen from getting charged by despoilers and assault squads. Solar Auxilia just like mechanicum requires a modicum amount of tactics, varied arsenal, and thought in your decisions and positioning to succeed with unlike marine players which often just braindead attack everything with only a basic rock paper scissors approach, so a lot of nogames assume they're underpowered since on paper they look weaker than marine profiles. A good solar auxilia or mechanicum player that understands how their army plays is going to wreck the average marinefag most of the time
>>94382804I'm considering a SA allied detachment just to harass lascannon HSS with. Sure, lasrifles are only Str 3 at 30" range, but that's a lot of shots. Some lascannon toting marines are gonna die. The HSS does return fire? Oh noes, my precious 8 points infantry models. Anyway, here comes the next lasrifle volley.
>>94382857>to protect your riflemen from getting charged by despoilers and assault squadsSo what I said then? Meta dependent. They can stop lower tier melee units but will struggle if your opponent doesent have them.
>>94382900It's like you didn't read what the anon said. Yeah, they can't compete with marine unique special unit close combat monsters. They were never supposed too (and they shouldn't, an army that can both spam cheap infantry and CC monsters with a ton of artillery would be absolutely broken). They will see off the average stuff and buy you a turn against the good stuff.
>>94382950>It's like you didn't read what the anon saidHe said what I said to try and disagree with me, because hes a fucking retard. >charonites will work well against low quality melee infantry and badly against high tier melee infantryis literally what started this conversation
>>94382353Thay word bearer's gun is dope af
>>94376555>>94376547Hawk Wargames DID try to get someone to buy their Dropzone scale New Orleans Strike Carrier model though.
>>94382353Love the old indigo alpha legion scheme, also the Luna Wolf/SoH scheme as well
God I want my dreadnought bits to arrive already.
>>94383314Did it work?
>>94381455Why late, why not summer? They love a big summer box.I hope that they use a relaunch as an opportunity to do......betterA plastic upgrade sprue for every Legion on par with the recent ones for 40k seem like an easy obvious winning move. People would buy so many of them!
Wednesday night and time again for another OC heresy art dump to mark another week of classes on the books. Decided to do a special theme to celebrate 40 (non-consecutive) weeks of art dumps>Part 40: Heraldries of Heresy Edition, Volume 1
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>>94384034Last pic. >Volume 2 next week
>>94376749Astartes are actually less independent because there's only 18 legions but in theory 10k cohorts of Auxilia. Lot of room for /yourdudes/ in Aux.
>>94384003>>94384011>>94384019>>94384028>>94384034>>94384040we really don't deserve you drawfag
>>94384058>there's only 18 legionsYeah but there's technically like 180 battalions / 1800 chapters / 18000 companies.If even the Primarch who travelled with the bulk of the legion in a single deployment and recruited from a single planet, like Mortarion, had both far away detachments (Galasparan garrison) and 'outsiders' in the legion (like Morturgs), then you can make your own Chapter-equivalent without resorting to blackshields.>You still wear the colours?>Mortarion changed, I did not! I'm still from Barbarus.>Would you kill him, given the chance?>In a hearbeat
>>94384117That's a battle meme of ancient provenance
>>94382629>It's very easy to just not have it next to your own unitsHave you ever used this offensively, though? Otherwise your only interaction with this rule is only avoiding it yourself.Face it, it is like Rad Grenades that only ever affect your own units.
>>94383791Sorry you get shitty warped resin melee weapons and a curt fuck off.
Rad phage should stack with every volley so you could potentially reduce a unit to T0 and insta kill it.
>>94384211not what it's for
>>94380174They said on twitter there would be at least one new model revel for proper heresy this year.But that was after they lied twice, so who knows.
>>94382659The same thing that led to monopose marines. They'd rather sell 1 easy "dynamic" pose to a boatload of people than made a modular, workable kit for folks who'll buy multiple.
>>94384232I don't care.
>>94384278:O
>>94384233Inb4 it's the baneblade remake they've already shown
>>94384278>>/40kg/
>>94382468Its WS6 and you can control where it goes. The rule is definite anti-synergy, but its a monster.
>>94384156Their are so few other armies that the rule effects you are basically just keeping it 7" away from your shit. And that's easy to do.
>>94382962YOUR framing of their cost was 'it's meta' his framing is you get what you pay for. If you don't understand the difference I can only assume autism
>>94384483>YOUR framing of their cost was 'it's meta'meta dependant*But yes, because thats the correct framing. Theyre a specialized tool good versus a specific unit type which can be almost entirely absent depending on your local meta. "you get what you pay for" implies "theyre always good for their cost, but the value is limited since theyre cheap". This isnt the case. Regular SA infantry are "you get what you pay for". Charonites are "good depending on meta".
What should I do with this guy? Destroyer mortalis sergeant? Small veteran squad sergeant? My big veteran squad sergeants are gonna have weapons of perdition.
>>94384463>ws6 dreadnoughtgoddamn
>>94384473>Yfw your Gal Vorbak dare approaching your own Mhara Gal dreadHe puts the "hole" in sinkhole. I'd rather have melee attacks against it be -1S if the attacker is a daemon / corrupt / psyker, and have the same unit types count as having -1T against the dread's attacks. But to each their own.
>>94384463Wouldn't be anti-synergy with this ->>>94384568
>>94384568>the same unit types count as having -1T against the dread's MELEE* attacks.
>>94384288I'd like them to release it soon, actually, I like the new look a lot.
>>94382804I’m surprised people don’t talk about Carnodon’s that much honestly, especially since they fulfill a super specific niche no other solar aux vehicle can which is having sponsons and getting access to volkite weapons
I'm thinking about a Mechanicum allied detachment, what Castellax Ranged and Melee weapons synergize well with each other?
>>94384886They do not
>>94380174Hopefully never, it's just epic scale stuff from here on out.
>>94384886The closest thing you can get to synergy is darkfire cannons and shock chargers, since the potential blind proc could then lead to you wiping out a squad of MEQ’s in melee with ease. Flamers are alright if you want them to be melee, but they make your castellax pretty damn pricey, so I’d just opt for having bolters. Power arrays are a bit of a hard sell on a unit like castellax, but if you intend on going after terminators then you can go for them.
>>94384120But you're still limited in terms of color scheme etc. I painted my Death Guard black and green instead of bone-and-green and I get obnoxious comments from people who are mad the scheme isn't canon.
>>94384895>>94384939Thanks anons. Any opinions on specific Thallax loadouts?
>>94384886Castellax are awful. They only gun they have that is particularly useful is the darkfire cannon which balloons their cost and they hit marines on 5+ in melee, so regardless of how you arm them you're lucky to kill a single tactical marine per castellax in a round of combat. The only particularly sensible use for them is to give them darkfire cannons and have a cybernetica archmagos join the unit, that way they're a durable objective camping thing that can bait out return fire, potentially apply blind and then tank the incoming shots on the 3+ invuln of the archmagos who can also repair them.
>>94384971Almost any configuration of thallax is good. Nothing but lightning guns is cheap and effective, plasma is good at killing everything, photon thruster is worse at dealing damage than plasma but is blinding, multimeltas are very expensive but I like to put a myrmidax magos with a jet pack and 2 meltaguns and a chainfist in a unit of 6 with 2 multimeltas and suicide them up the board and cause trouble and that even works. Chain bayonets aren't really worth it though.
>>94384971just make sure you take them in units of 5 or more so they don't flee instantly when they lose a model, they have poor leadership
>>94384886pick oneshock chargers are fine on a shooting unit (majority heavy weapon upgrades), shock chargers are fine vs MEQ (kills 1/4) but if you're facing TEQ or AEQ you may get more mileage from power blade arrays despite the unreliable Breaching; it's 1/18 for a Wound that way and 1/37 the other (the same as with the shock chargers)if you want a melee unit then siege wreckers, but they'll still be WS3 so Malamina and abomination blades and a darkfire cannon in the unit to Wound multi-wound models before the chargevery little will survive being whacked with a siege wrecker repeatedly but abomination blades have good breaching and lots of attacks and +1 to hit if you use them right (so even against WS5 and above you'll always hit on 5+)
>>94384954>Noooo you painted your guys wrongDon't be a bitch, tell them to fuck off.
>>94384971honestly just lightning guns is fine.
>>94384564Blackshield Champion as the HQ for your allied detachment
>>94384764Carnodons were added to 1.0 in a pdf, I'm surprised people even remember them at all
>>94384983>tank the incoming shots on the 3+ invuln of the archmagosSinful
>>94380432No, anon, it looks great. Just use it as-is. If anyone asks, say it's been loaned to the Iron Warriors as material support because Chaos is a happy fambly.
>>94381760And ALL the Ork stuff.
>>94385406>butcher all the beloved guard models >keep Ork shit that mone of them buy because they're the worse kind of 40kshitters and either don't play anything bit competitive or are lore-tuber fag's who 3d print or "convert" models out of historical and toy crap
>>94385459Anon you're getting mad at the wrong people. As an orkshitter, I feel very bad for you too. Mostly because it's less kits I can loot fr vehicle go funny.But in all seriousness-- GW once produced both, and now they produce neither. They're the real assholes here. Unless you think the FW Ork stuff is still in production? Because it isn't.
>>94382309>Night Lords aren’t true heresygarbage take
>>94385505Nothing is trve heresy
Would a Shattered Legion take in loyalists from a Traitor Legion?
>>94385666>the enemy of my enemy is my friendThe saying exists for a reason anon
>>94380026OLLY OLLY OLLY OGG OGG OGG
>>94380123Deliverers were based af, fuck Corax the faggot
>>94381342Very nice anon, you make Horus proud
>>94385225they were also in crusade and they aren't the only pdf to book unit
If I wanted to play this, how much cash would I need to spend? 3k? I come from the land of smaller skirmish games and 40k looks so shit.
>>94386133Start with the Age of Darkness box. Nearly 1300 points not including any upgrades. Easily play a small game with just that.https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/horus-heresy-age-of-darkness-2022-engThen it's just adding what pieces you think look cool.
>>94386133That depends what size of games, what units you use, and where you buy.As other anon said, Age of Darkness is good value for money if you want all the stuff in it.
>>94385505it's easy to forget that Imperial Fists were once among the most obscure legions
>>94385666Pretty sure salamanders allied with Iron Warriors that defected the traitos bc the AL were being dickheads. Tho there may have been some cyber brain washing involved.Shattered legions are also not just the 3 loyalist ones, it's become a catch all term for any group of mixed marines at this point
>>94385666The Battle for Beta-Garmon book depicts a mixed White Scars, Iron Hands, and Thousand Sons detachment, Pg 133.
>>94382353>Chaos Warriorbitz-based conversions>Index Astartes colourschemes>dopey-lookin' Sabertooth CCG art style terminatorsOh lawdy take me back. It pisses on nu30K so hard.
>>94382483I would allow either, but only if you go to the effort of modelling a little rack that deploys out of the back of the Rhino and folds out to drop your folded up robomarines, like the droid transports from the prequel star wars movies.
>>94382093The original Flight of the Eisenstein version - featuring loyalist traitors - is from fucking Rogue Trader you fauxgrog faggot.
>>94384567Yea, its got a fairly disgusting statline. Its a really scary melee dreadnought with some rather situational drawbacks. Could also see it as a "this makes you play it like youre supposed to" rule, where its intended to be a pariah unit rather than a center of your army.
>>94386366>GW doubles down on more super speshal boys in morally grey armour fence shitter bullshithow is it GW can zero in on the worse elements of the playerbase and simp for them?
>>94386507>>”how dare GW try to establish more neutral parties and add some nuance to 30k?!”>posting a picture of a loyalist primarch who was renowned for fence sitting for the beginning of the heresy and who a good portion of his legion went traitorHow the fuck do you “people” even exist in a hobby like this
>>94386697>waaah you attacked me by pointing out a retarded piece of bolt-on lorethat main character syndrome is a hell of a drug anon
Not today's heresy thursday, but related:Art print things?https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/vxticy5n/coming-soon-from-black-library-gotrek-returns-alongside-the-grey-knights-and-the-primarchs/
>>94386507Statistically speaking, loyalist traitors fluff is older than you.
>>94386797I care even less than a shitty rules article
>>94386507Loyalist traitors are cool, it's a time of betrayal, staying loyal to your purpose and ideals even when your brothers and father are taking the easy way out is cool and I will not hate loyalist traitors, they are awesome.
>>94386898Loyalist traitors always end up as the most gay special snowflake shit, Traitor loyalists are cool though.
This NL one made me chuckle.https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/m33n9god/heresy-thursday-melee-weapons-and-how-to-model-them/
>>94386966Nice.
>>94386966Anon wasn't wrong, the spear truly is awful.
Well, at least you're confident, James. That's good...
>>94386980Why is he holding it backwards?
>>94386966I love that the moment a sword is unsheathed, the sheath seems to be tossed away. You don't really see empty sheaths on many marine models, unless there's a sword (partially) in it.
>>94386988I suppose he'll jump and land with a stab?
>>94386988That's how the spear is posed. Because when you go all-in on monopose dynamism, you'd best be able to make it look dynamic. And they can't.
>>94386992I dislike that, and believe those dangling straps are actually backwards, that they should connect the scabbard to the marine instead of dangling uselessly
>>94386980They absolutely fucked up the 3d model with that. I refuse to believe this was intended to be the alpharius pose
>>94386983Was it 'bring you kid to work' day at the painting studio?
>>94386966A week late, but I guessed the article!>>94386983You know what? "SOUL"I am all for amateurish shitty paint jobs being a thing, especially if it really is just "some dudes around the office" doing it.
>>94387002>>94386980I think its either intended for a more twisted torso, or they really did get the sharp bit on the wrong end of the stick.
>>94387015>I think its either intended for a more twisted torsoSo... the old kits? None of the new kits have a torso that twisted.
>>94380956Anon, you were right and everyone who doubted you should apologise.
>>94387021Essentially, yes. Twist the torso, have the head facing the point of the spear. Might still be awkward but it would be a far better pose.
>>94386983Pretty sure the idea is to put a mix of the professional paint jobs with more amateur ones, since not all of their customers are painting at the studio level or above. Yeah, the TS guy looks worse than usual, but he also looks achievable for the average new painter. There's still plenty of well painted ones in that article.Not calling it a good or bad approach. Just that they're trying to mix skill levels.
>>94387015So a marine with a separate torso that can be turned? Don't be silly anon, the technology isn't there yet.
>>94387025I would counter that once you have more than one in a squad, this begins to look extremely samey. At least generic poses blend in - super dynamic poses stand out, especially in duplicate.
>>94386966Huh, I already bought these bits off Ebay. Someone with an early release must have got rid. My sarge here has arms and hands from the kit.
>>94386999They could've just done pic related and have the other hand free to hold a pistol while the sheath is attached to the belt.
>>94386980>>94387002>>94387015It would look good on this guyAnd this guy exclusivelyBecause they can't be fucking bothered with more than 5 poses and it's the only one with the torso twisting in the correct direction is this one.
>>94387050I fucking hate the round tip chainswords. Its vile and disgusting, all good chainswords have a single edge.
Why have all the marine kits been so scuffed since HH 2.0 was launched. At least the plastic SA and Mech kits seem to have more effort put into them. Maybe it's time to quit marines and start something else.
>>94387052A bit better but still not greatI don't get why they didn't make the spear and hammer 1 handed, they are not 2 handed weapons and making them like that restricts you a lot on the pose
>>94387052Even if the spear tip was on the other side, none of the new monopose marine models lend themselves to holding a spear with two hands.
>>94387077>At least the plastic SA and Mech kits seem to have more effort put into themAnon the SA kits lost 90% of their detail and the Mech ones take the 700 parts per model approach, which is somewhat better but still a massive pain in the ass
>>94387091the spear. A weapon that is often used one handed. A weapon that lacks the two handed rule in HH2.0 a weapon that would be so much easier to pose with one hand.
>>94387088That's a pretty funny pose. It's like he's poking some dead body, unsure if it's going to move again or not
>>94387095And they're still better than the new marine infantry. Did you know the SA infantry kits come with all weapon options included? Yes, SA got plastic thunder hammers before marines. Meanwhile nu-Mk III doesn't even come with chain bayonets in the box.
>>94387102Yeah I don't get the choice for two handed spears either. GW seems really committed to shooting themselves in the foot.
>>94386966>waiting this long>just for a showcase of a kitThis can't be real, this can't be real, this can't be realThey're fucking with us, fuck you GW you pieces of shit
>>94387095if the new contemptor is anything to go by (contrasting the BaC rigor-mortis pattern) then more parts is a good thing.
>>94386992Why does the Alpha Legion dude have lightning motiffs? Is he morphing into a Night Lord?
>>94387105Let's also note that the SA get separate torsos, and their 5-man sprue has an extra torso front so you have have a sergeant, or have 5 standard troops.The assault squad forces that laureled skull 1-in-5 no matter what.
>>94387123I think that's suppose to be battle damage.
>>94386983Eavy metal is getting lax
>>94387123Thats probably supposed to be scratches in the paint.
>>94387077It's a small mom and pop company, it's not like they have been putting out HH kits for a decade. Give them time and maybe in 10 more years we will have every legion's armoury in plastic, every mark (same 5 poses), the rest of the vehicles and the primarchs. For plastic breachers you might have to wait after that however, maybe 15-ish years? Dunno. What they should really invest into is making each marine more modular, stuff like separate torsoes and stuff. I think if they do that and maybe sell a torso sets for each legion they would rake in a lot of money but I understand that it's not in the realm of possibility at the moment. Perhaps in 2040 they might have their first kit to do that?
>>94384117Ha thanks
Now that despoilers are here, what's better for general use, despoiler squads or assault squads? I play Raven Guard if it matters.
>>94387076I like this chainsword patter. Idk its name, but it's got a flat back, a simple bar handguard, and a bit of a back edge at the tip for easier stabs and backswings
>>94387105Actually, we did get plastic hammers first, in the good MKIII box.
>>94387256Yea, the back edge asides is fine. Would look better without it though.
>>94387091>>94387102>A weapon that is often used one handed.Seems to me that irl spears are one handed only if your other hand is busy, often with a shield.You can easily find pics of swords being used single handed, or with another weapon, or with a shield, or with a gun. But not a spear.It's like hand and a half. Doesn't block you from using a shield, but doesn't look like it can be double wielded with anything.
>>94387238Ironically, for raven guard specifically, it's despoilers.
>>94387173Made a more convenient sized one for reaction use.
>>94387278>only if your other hand is busy,and almost all melee units in this game have pistols, and many can take shields. plus, many weapons are/can be used two handed, but are one-handed for models and rules. and there's the aspect of "Marines can do easily what humans find difficult."
>>94387278>Seems to me that irl spears are one handed only if your other hand is busy, often with a shield.Thats basically every weapon.
>>94387333But it would go against the ethos of XVth century knighthood. you don't pull the side arm till your warhammer, partizan, pole ax etc breaks apart or you start to graple/halfsword. Then and only then do you pull out your arming sword, bollock dagger or similar side arm.
>>94387334Not all>>94387333I have seen pics of victorian officers with sword in one hand and pistol in the other. Have you ever seen a person use a spear and a pistol?
>>94387356>Not allWhich is why I didnt say all.
>>94386966>how to attach arms to your models
>>94387314Oh cool thanks. I hadn't intended to upload such a big one>That's what she said
>>94387091they don't lend themselves to melee weapons period, if a melee combatant is walking upright then the weapons should be at rest and shouldered or in a scabbard, if they are attacking they should have a wider dropped stance trying to slash and thrust. These are doing neither so it looks totally unnatural.
>>94387356>Have you ever seen a person use a spear and a pistol?No, but I've never seen a time when firearms, armour, and melee weapon technology make that a viable strategy, while it is in warhammer.
>>94387356>>94387356During the great clashes of cav divisions between 1914-1921, very much.
>>94387384>firearms, armour, and melee weapon technology make that a viable strategyDragoons (i.e. Mounted Pistoleers) fought primarily with pistols and carbines, and charged into melee only when the enemy was routed.They wore a half plate that could stop early bullets, as it was thicker than normal full plate. It was just as heavy, which is why it was only half: it covered only from the chest to the upper femur
>>94387378or just go ham and duel wield.
>>94386980>>94387052It doesn't look that bad if you cut off the ends of the spear and switch them. It's simple and it unlocks a lot of poses.
>>94387411If it was, you would've posted a pic. Idk why complete strangers do not acquiesce my every whim baka :^)
>>94387415hussars in the 19th century had lances, pistols and melee weapon. During the fighting in Spain, polish hussars broke through a multi layer artilery supported line of defence at Samosierra (think charge of light brigade, but one that was victorious), with both the french, spanish and british, describing the unortodox use of lance and pistol during the charges, on top of that polish hussars carried and "unregulated"(aka as many as they could carry) pistols during the charge.
>>94385810Thanks anon, I'm pretty sure the Warmaster would find my current pace lacking however. I'm probably just gonna do 2 hours a day so I don't burn myself out too much>>94387356>I have seen pics of victorian officers with sword in one hand and pistol in the other.I'm pretty sure the Polish made it a pretty big thing from what I heard? I know lots of there officers got sabre training. If that's the case they were onto something because sabres & sidearms is a cool ass vibe>>94386966Man a lot of these look really funky looking for some reason, but I can't put my finger on why.
>>94387437The Polish-Soviet war of 1920-21 was so brutal, that somehow no one had time to take pictures.
One-handed spear use without a shield?One-handed spear use without a shield.
>>94387418It would've been even easier for GW to do that in their CAD.
>>94387451what were they thinking?
>>94387451Based Fiore dei Liberi and Tallhoffer.
>>94387438>>94387445>>94387443Sword and pistol looks cool. I think spears are cool too, and I was just hoping to find examples of spear and pistol.I hear partisans were the last spears to be retained for infantry in the musket era, at least for officers, though it was more of a signaling and status symbol.I suppose a Tactical Squad sergeant could use it the very same way, the rest of his squad armed with bayonets (triangular chainsaw wounds are impossible to stitch)
>>94387466must win war/tournament/judicial duel/survive this ambush, to get wealth, or I will never get married.
>>94387466>Should I beat my wench weekly, or oftener?
>>94386980if you held it the other way you'd be applying upward force with the right hand, jabbing against gravityif you hold it so that the blade is downward you apply additional force from gravity assisting and you have the leverage and weight of the entire body to apply to the strike, instead of just the arms
Meanwhile, back home, grandad is running around, practicing his Kabaroan duel wielding a shortsword and a spear......
>>94387451It's crazy to think humanity used to fight in such a way, and that violence as a medium seemed incredibily widespread and was essentially the default for lots of people. I wonder if we'll ever revert back to duelling and the like sometime in the future, or somehow go back to fighting exclusively in melee combat.Being stabbed in a 1v1 is probably a better way to go then getting in a car crash
>>94387490Ah yes. Beat a woman of same status as you (noble), so the next day her brothers, nephews, uncles, father visit you and bust your ass. And if you beat here and she says she lost a baby, the church and 100% of women will be on her side. Including women that generaly disliked her.
>>94387508How is a wench a noble anon wtf what kind of High Class Premium Wenches do you have
>>94387493Sure, a downward thrust is a valid option.And that's absolutely not the pose for it, nor are there any other options in the kit for spears. It's incredibly specific and it doesn't work.
>>94387507>Brother, I demand a satisfaction.>Our blood is the Primarch's to shed at his will, brother, not ours.>"Gay if you don't">...First blood, Charnabals only, at noon >:U
>>94387507>violence as a medium seemed incredibily widespreadPretty sure there's more wars today than in the past. Like how there's more slaves today than during the days of trans-Atlantic slave trade.
God it's so fucking gay that KSons HQs don't get any kind of force weapon even if they buy a discipline. Couldn't increase the price by 5-10 points and give them a free swap? For the love of God they can all take Thunder Hammers anyway its not like it would've been a crime against god.
>>94387544>Couldn't increase the price by 5-10 points and give them a free swap?Aren't Achean weapons free? I don't remember. Have them take Achean at the same price desu
>>94387507>humanity>weFuck off, you're no brother of mine, I don't know you, you don't know meCloset totalitarian, shove your greater good up your ass
>>94387534Kek, wish there was a HH vidya so we could do that
>>94387238Assault squads with maximum amount of power spears/maces to use the re-roll to wound rolls of 1, being fast as fuck boiiii and have a chance to charge something turn 1Despoilers for pretty much the same, but they can infiltrate and be a nuisance instead of going fast. Infiltrating also means they aren't allowed to charge in the first game turn, which is kinda terrible.
>>94387417What's wrong with this guy, looks like he's got a broken spine.
>>94387508Women used to be property, not people.
>>94387417>Deathshroud duels be likeI suppose Scythes vs swords could be a thing, seeing how the "Dagger-axe" was one of the first true weapons that weren't a hunting tool before, and basically looks like a scythe?
>>94387520Because you can somehow have a full set of plate. But lets say you are a commoner and so is your wife. She also has brothers, uncles, etc and they are going to kick your ass and drown you in a septic tank, in a non noble way.>>94387622And every time in history, including when done by kings, when a dude pulled off the good ol' I whipped my wife and dragged her through the snow, it ends very bad for them. >>94387610leaning forword. some fencing school did that. The best way to find out is to check if the english did it or not. If they did, then it was bad, and if they didn't then it could potentialy have been good,
>>9438764I thought a wench was like a lowly maid or something, not your wife kek>check if the english did it or not. If they did, then it was bad, and if they didn't then it could potentialy have been good,Lmao oof. I know the english weren't spanish, italian or german, but were they really that bad with a sword?>A duel? Why let me get 100 yards away with my bow and you'll see, scoundrel!
>>94387647>when a dude pulled off the good ol' I whipped my wife and dragged her through the snow, it ends very bad for them.>henry VIII
>>94387666>Comment removedOh no, a janny got him (he is 100 feet away, with bow and arrow)!
>>94387679nah, he just deleted the last digit - it's 7 digits, not 8.
>>94387103Yeah the good old poke and smoke
>>94387706He accidentally stubled on a conversation about whether CC from code geass or lucius the eternal are more dangerous
>>94386983>tfw you run out of gloss varnish so you have to use cum instead
>>94387676yes. and how did it end for him? line died out. betrayed the church. all women till eternity will remember him as wife killer. And as a bonus dude more or less killed his own calfs just to look good.
>>94386983Not going to lie I honestly thought you had to have at least above average painting quality to be a part of the warhammer team. I know that's kind of a dumb assumption to make, but I genuinely thought that was just a requirement because most people seem to be pretty good at painting desu
>>94387622>Women used to be property, not people.Yes and were under the protection of men. Now men are tax serfs to women, women pay no net tax and take out more of the welfare state than they put in.I want to make a Blackshield force who forces their enemies to pay taxes and taxes them to death. Danegeld or something.
>>94387754DEI ESG applies to GW now that their share holders are Blackrock and Vanguard, hence the female custodes.
>>94387750>yes. and how did it end for him?Died of old age, line continued and oversaw the formation of the UK and the defeat of their then rival spain, founded his own church for the lulz and its still around to this dayPretty good for a man famous for murdering wives
>>94387755>taxestheres the blackshield trait where you rob people on a 4+ instead of sweeping advance
>>94387776Excellent suggestion.I just wish the old Marauder squad rules existed, too bad they got squatted.
>>94387754Have you seen that time they got some of the authors to do a tale of four gamers? Theyre mostly pretty decent because theyre mostly pretty "hardcore" hobbyists (at least compared to the lay population), but its by no means some universal thing.
>>94387776Fucking love looting. So, the enemy just runs away and I get 50% chance of getting +1VP? And i can then try charge the survivors and repeat?>>94387779What were those?
>>94387121>more parts is a good thing.Tell that to the dumbass who decided torsos should be 1 piece with the legs
>>94387561I'd even take that it's just gay as hell that for anyone whose not a praetor I have to run their force weapons as just Power swords or axes
>>94387788>What were those?You had more wargear options basically like chainaxes, grenade launchers and stuff.
>>94387788NTA but that's correct. Make sure for your second oath to take the panoply of old and make Night Lords your choice so you can give all of your characters fear (1) and therefore make it easier to get those fall backs to happen, along with taking snipers or chosen warrior melee units or recons/seekers to assassinate sergeants.
>>94387824It makes sense with fear(1), a lot of people are worried about getting looted and losing their stuff.
>>94387821Just talk to your opponent, anon. If he doesn't let you use Acheaon on your Praetor (lame), then that's a Paragon Blades. Or that axe counts as a Thunder Hammer or whatever.
>>94387824>Blackshields move to the neighborhood >Everyone is afraid of them and they lootPseudohistorical game I see
>>94387861His first mistake was opening up. You don't welcome people into your sanctum, you exit the bubble so that you can meet them in a less vulnerable area.
>>94387863
>>94387871As the great poet Shaggy wrote at the dawn of the Third Millennium:>How you can give your woman access to your villa?>Trespass and a-witness while you cling to your pillow
>>94387755>i want danegeldbuddy under a danegeld system you would be dead and your relatives would be dead and the crown would default the money from the guy who killed you because you're annoying
>>94387544you'll probably get them with your Legiones Hereticus rules>>94387561only for squad leaders
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>>94387522a downward thrust is the only option, it's a spear not a pike>>94387507being stabbed sucks ass, being in a crash sucks ass
>>94387953Reminds me of the LIgma painter.
>>94387953Gatekeepers, please come backPlease
>>94387858that impractical axe is so kino.
>>94387507back in the day life used to be Brutal(2)
>tfw your autistic special interest unit overperformsAssault destroyers ate well today
Testing some new paints does this read as a soh?
>>94388109Under less light
>>94386983>Hmmm yes this will sell our overpriced plastic sloppa
>>94388109>>94388114Yes
>>94388108Repost and expand in Nu Thread plZ
>>94388108What loadout?
New thread.>>94388328>>94388328>>94388328New thread.
>>943882912x flamers, 3x power mauls, meltabombs, shrapnel pistols (shit)They crippled a seeker squad, killed a tac squad before it could reinforce an objective, then popped a spartan.
>>94374118If that’s a bitch ass way of asking how it’s done because you’re a non-committal faggot, the vast majority of that is just green stuff on a texture roller to cover up the fact that there isn’t actually any detail beneath those tentacles. The rest is pretty much just a few torsos, the occasional flat decoration piece jammed onto a ball of green stuff (the thing that’s under all the tentacles) and then a clear acrylic thing over the brain bit. It’s labour intensive, but it isn’t hard by any stretch of the imagination.
>>94382309The burning of prospero is literally the single event that allowed the entire heresy to happen. If prospero didn’t happen, there wouldn’t even be a heresy. TS and SW did heresy before heresy was cool.
