>>94379680
>How do you fix underpowered infantry in TOW?
Is there an overpowered infantry in TOW?

>>94379680
>How do you fix underpowered infantry in TOW?
tow is too broken to fix. needs a whole new rewrite

>>94379680
>TQ
Give a faction infantry that is so broken and OP that all infantry enjoyers flock to it and buy plenty of new models

>>94379710
This is the truth

>>94379746
Honestly if Dragonhammer isn't fixed in 2e then I'm noping out of TOW for good. A failure to fix that will just reek of "please buy big centrepiece models!!!".

>>94379756
stop bitching about problems that don't exist and don't affect you

>>94379762
>nooo leave GW alone TOW isn't broken!!

>>94379766
I'm just pointing out you're a nogaem drama queen

>>94379768
>anyone who criticizes TOW is le nogames
Ok anon

No games losers who passively live off of youtuber WAACfaggotry in charge of whining about.. well everything, really.

>>94379795
what a desperate strawman

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How long's he been Out of Stock on the GW website?

They sent me a £10 voucher and rather than buying paints, figure I might as well buy him when he's £9 when all the other characters are like £20

>>94380055
That one wasn’t out of stock for very long. If you’re in the UK, you’re in luck because you actually get somewhat timely restocks. I’ve been waiting for Elise and the GK since July and just yesterday managed to grab Elise off the NA webstore as she was available for literally 2 hours.

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>>94379696
>headcanoning a subspecies
with that kind of mentality you quickly end up with a world populated by pokemon rather than local monsters

>>94380055
least it's not been scrubbed from the website like the metal Liche priest model

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>>94379696
>headcanoning a subspecies of manticores that's not as inherently cruel as its northern variants is far from the worst offence one can do towards the fluff
I'm sorry anon but GW already did that since the flying Lions from Cathay are literally just non-evil manticore that Cathayan generals can ride on like Empire generals do with Griffons

>>94380377
>flying Lions from Cathay are literally just non-evil manticore that Cathayan generals can ride on
This reads like retarded fanfiction

>>94380412
from their release for TWW(which has 95% of all Cathay lore)
>Unlike the fell Manticores found in the west, these celestial beasts have been purified of their Chaos corruption by the eldritch power of the Dragon Emperor and live under his protection within the sacred hunting grounds of the Forests of the Moon.
I do agree it's that it's sounds like crap but GW doesn't care

>>94380377
>Long thought to be imaginary beings by all in the Old World, winged lions do actually exist, far to the east in the land of Grand Cathay. Unlike their western counterparts, Manticores, Celestial Lions have been purified by the eldritch power of the Dragon Emperor himself and live under his protection on the sacred hunting grounds of the Forests of the Moon.
which means that winged lions other than manticores do not exist in the old world and that even in cathay they only exist because the big dragon "purified" some manticores

>>94380377
>>94380412
>>94380437
>>94380446

Anything Cathay (other than whatever is in the old WHFRP books) is pure fanfiction. TW is a joke how it's basically brought it to the forefront.


Don't understand the obsession myself. It's supposed to be unknown, but I guess manbabies have to have answers to everything these days.

>>94380462
>Don't understand the obsession myself.
GW wants to appeal to an Asian market making Fantasy China a faction in their Fantasy Wargame is meant to build the Asian market
what the Tau failed to do 2 and half decades ago Cathay will probably suffer a similar fate

>>94380462
a lot of stuff is meant to be unknown to the people of the old world
hell, no man of the empire ever set foot on ulthuan beyond lothern

>>94380462
>fanfiction
All of it was written by GW

>>94380462
I appreciate TWW for reviving the setting but goddamn do I hate how its inspired a drove of secondaries to clamour for Cathay, Vampire Coast and other meme factions to be included in a game they'll never play.

>>94380543
Yeah, just find it utterly bizarre that people who don't know their Marienburgs from their Mordheims are creaming themselves over the intricacies of "Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Five Rings" or whatever the the fuck this Cathay "lore" is

Why do the Dwarfs, the tech faction, have the worst cannon in the game?

>>94380462
I'm of a different opinion: what they did is ok, but it's not even close to being enough
>only 1 full-blooded dragon
>only 8 half-blooded dragons
>all the other descendants feature no real draconic features
>terracotta soldiers only in one giant variety
>not enough ambiguity regarding the ruling bodies
>not enough divisions between parts of this huge empire, with their own means and ideas
rather than having generic units for such a large continent perhaps it would have been better to take the "high elf approach" of tying units to a particular region (tyranoc chariot, caledor princes, chrace lions, lothern guards, nagarythe shadows, etc) so there would be at least a pretence of trying to portray an army recruited from all of the heterogeneous corners of the oriental lands, make the roster more fantastical and worldbuild cathay all in one stroke

>>94380598
because nobody in the rules writing likes the dwarfs and because they had a very small cannon in the 7th edition starter box

>>94380598
You mean in TOW?

>>94380462
>Don't understand the obsession myself.
People who are obsessed are mostly neverWarhammers.
>Man, I'd love to play whfb but GW cancelled it
>Man, I'd love to play tow but I'm waiting for Cathay/Kislev
You have plenty of these tourist secondaries on /wfg/.

>>94380491
Wow!

>>94380437
>Unlike the fell Manticores found in the west, these celestial beasts have been purified of their Chaos corruption by the eldritch power of the Dragon Emperor and live under his protection within the sacred hunting grounds of the Forests of the Moon.
Wow, it sounds exactly like 13y.o. special snowflake fanfiction. Where is it from?

>>94379680
>TQ
6+ ward save for hand weapon+shield
Supporting Attacks against behemoths and Monstrous Creatures
>>94380598
That's because they have a better engineer (entrenching war machines) and can buy rerolls for their cannons

Any tips for painting with Orruk flesh? For a base paint it's surprisingly thin and very patchy. I like the color but it takes a while to layer it enough to become smooth.

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>>94380543
No one cares for gay factions like stunties and bretonnia boomer, bring on the vampire pirates and dragon waifus.

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>>94380462
Everything that Creative Assembly did regarding previously underdeveloped or unexplored factions, such as Kislev and Cathay respectively, have been fully endorsed by GW, and thus considered canon.
So much so that GW published their concept art & other artwork in their own media pages.
cope

Anyone have ideas for making a fun doomwheel conversion?
I own 2 but want to make a 3rd funsie one

>>94381074
>t. Star Wars "fan" who also consideres Acolyte canon because it's official
Lol boy they fixed you good

Ignore this >>94381074 troll and move on.

>>94380941
3/10, you tried

>>94380813
>Supporting Attacks against behemoths and Monstrous Creatures
That's the dumbest and most random take I've seen here

>>94380462
Kislev probably is CA OC shit, but Cathay was supposed to be an army in 8th, and the army in TWW3 was based on the artwork for it. Hell, it's in the Old World core book.

>>94381269
What do you mean?
>>94380941
Head over to /wip/, they'll be more help

>>94381269
I genuinely have no idea what you mean.

>>94381287
Alright, thanks. I'll give that thread a try.

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>>94381234
>>94381268
So you don't have any valid arguments, relying instead on ignoring or flinging ad hominem.
As GW themselves said: "The Warhammer: The Old World team has been busy developing this area as part of our support for the guys at Creative Assembly"
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/1r2bPK7y/grand-cathay-is-mapped-for-the-first-time-in-warhammer-the-old-world/

Cathay, as it has been presented, was a collaborated effort between CA and GW.

>get warhammer rpg book
>open it at random
>on the left, the detail for the advisor career
>on the right, the detail for the duelist career
>move around
>find the soldier career
>the recruit, the most basic bitch that isn't even playable in Warhammer proper, is still a silver choice
Good heaven, look like you start at the bottom of the barrel.

Here’s hoping Cathay is in the next starter box in 2026.

>>94381486
Silver-1 status is for a lot of career starts like the Servant career or generic Townman career
the brass status tier is mostly just used by Criminal careers or people really living in the margins like basic peasants but it is something that's very inconsistent between all the career in the corebook

>>94381563
Oh god, I'm so bloody excited. Where do I start.
Maybe start with the definition of bronze or silver.
And how I can make an imperial knight.

>>94381555
I bet building and painting the skyjunk and terracotta units would be fun but how big of a playerbase could they possibly get outside of total war?

>>94381573
it's explained in the core rulebook page 49-50anon which is formatted like complete shit
but basically
Gold-tier status = Reserved for the rulers of society; those who
directly serve them as advisors, protectors
silver-tier =Populated by well-to-do townsfolk and those following professions requiring skill and expertise. Tradesmen, craftsmen, and merchants make up most of the upper ranks of the tier, whilst the bottom is filled by those providing services.
Brass-tier = Occupied by peasants and those in the poorest professions which often require no particular skills. The Brass Tier also contains many criminals, ne’er-do-wells, and those who don’t make any living at all.
what do you mean by making an Imperial Knight? The knight career is on page 111 (or use the Up in Arms knight careers)

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Can you take a Griffon in your army?
According to its sheet, only the Imperial variant is restricted on being a mount.

>>94381633
Oh, I see. So it's not a badge of progression, it's more like how respected you are.
Still good.

>what do you mean by making an Imperial Knight?
I mean the Reiksguard, or the Eternal Sun, or Moor's spooky boys, or...

>>94381285
>but Cathay was supposed to be an army in 8th, and the army in TWW3 was based on the artwork for it
Kek what are you spewing retard

>>94381366
Not him but...and? His point is that you sound like a returd who consumes everything, no matter how bad, because it's official. And I agree with that sentiment.

>>94381772
yeah the status system is basically an indicator of your social class which has some impact on money but it's mostly a fluff Role-play thing
neither Reikguard or Knights of Morr don't have their own dedicated Carrer in 4e so just use the generic career in the corebook in theory you could probably use the Knight Panther Carrer in the Up in Arms book

>>94381825
I see, I kinda misunderstood it as its difficulty.
Meaning it's theorically possible to play some kind of respected job, like chancellor or whatever, but get little respect because you're incompetent and only got your position due to nepotism.

>>94381841
yeah but that entirely a roleplay thing

>>94381859
Heh, it's okay. From the looks of it, Warhammer Roleplay seem to be firmly between the World of Darkness and the FFXIV RPG.

>>94381285
you got it all wrong, anon, the infamous "cathay armybook" was made specifically so that total war would have unit profiles and an idea of special rules because starting from a tabletop profile has been their modus operandi for pretty much everything else
that doesn't mean the armybook for cathay existed before total war, let alone that it was at any point meant to be an army to be released for the 8th ed of warhammer fantasy

>>94381890
Peachy mentioned they were working on a Cathay armybook in one of his interviews, I can't remember which one though so this is a trust me bro. I distinctly remember him mentioning the original idea was to come up with something a bit like D&D's Dragonborn, which kinda fits into what they ended up having.

>>94381285
>supposed to be an army
>in 8th edition
>edition that was made with the end of warhammer in mind
>edition where were legit WHFB armies went without the books
Not sure if lying or just stupid

>>94381940
And Hitler said he wouldn't invade Poland.

>>94381940
Just cut this crap. GW has a long tradition of lying to people, the only reliable sources are ex employees who no longer need or are tied to GW to carry on. I'd trust Cavatore, Perry twins or Priestly because they run their own thing Ale don't have to tiptoe around topics concerning GW like Pirinen (who's desperate to be relevant and still rides his Mordheim glorydays), Peachy or Duncan.

>>94381806
This, GW may even make a special conference stating what is canon and what is not and majority of people would just shrug and ignore shit they don't like like they did years and decades before the invasion of secondaries raised on corporate loyalty like this individual >>94381366.

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>>94381940
>which kinda fits into what they ended up having.
does it?

>>94382041
>the only reliable sources are ex employees who no longer need or are tied to GW to carry on
that's what peachy is
?

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>tq
While I acknowledge that infantry is weak in TOW, I don't think that's necessarily a problem. People have said that infantry is weak in 6th edition, and I also don't think that's a problem either. If you like infantry, as I do, you'll still include your blocks of chaos warriors, or whatever your army of choice's infantry may be, in your army and you'll enjoy playing with them and any opponent worth playing with will do the same with what he likes. Don't worry about the meta and winning or losing so much and focus on having fun.
Now, as for whether or not infantry is fun, that's a different story. That depends on what you consider to be fun. Painting a good number of chaos warriors, ranking them up and seeing what they do on the table is fun enough for me. Seeing them get annihilated can also be fun, in a sense, but so can seeing them triumph against the odds.
I don't think infantry was fun in 8th. I think it was strong to the point of not being fun.

>>94382117
NTA
Peachy still uses GW models and paints in his tutorials, discusses fluff and considering how unhinged GW fanbase is he would lose much for shittalking GW. I respect the man, but his standing is much lower than the real old staffers like Rick Priestly who can openly call GW retards (not that he did) and it won't impact his income or popularity, mayby even increase it.

>>94382162
>People have said that infantry is weak in 6th edition
Yes, people who have never played 6th

>>94382176
That is also a confounding factor. I think my chaos warriors fulfill their role admirably - and they certainly have, in the games I've played. Far better than my spawn/nurglings, or my knights, at least. My undivided warriors have even outperformed my khornate warriors more than once, across editions even.

>>94381806
>...and?
And what? It simply is how it is. His point is moot because it's not about blind consumption of the brand, but the accuracy of how the company is developing a certain aspect of the setting.
Both you and >>94382085 can certainly have your own opinions, and can personally choose to ignore or dislike their decisions on Cathay; yet despite of assertive declarations like in >>94380462 they singular posts are worth as much as anyone's, and they certainly do not change what GW decided to do with the faction.
>>94382085
'majority'? (you) anon can speak for most of the fanbase?

>>94382209
Yeah, I play the Empire so it's a little bit more complex but my swordmsen have very often withstood cavalry charges, combats with elites and monsters without fleeing or fleeing after 2 or even 3 rounds. Not saying that 6th ed infantry is the best unit type in the game but people often forget that nothing is guaranteed in this game.

>>94381967
>edition that was made with the end of warhammer in mind
If they were thinking of ending Warhammer when designing a new edition, they wouldn't have designed a new edition, retard. WFB was struggling (because they were increasing degrading the fun of the wargame with steadily increasing powercreep from each new AB designed to sell models to people buying the latest fotm army instead of being balanced). 8th was a hail mary designed to drive sales by encouraging huge blocks of infantry and large centerpieces, which only served to accelerate the decline because it turns out people liked actually being able to have a functional army for less than the downpayment on a new car. 8th was trash, but don't try and pretend GW had any amount of foresight with this shit.

>>94381967
>>edition where were legit WHFB armies went without the books
that's most if not all editions, newfag

Man, one of these days these retards will catch on to GW's design philosophy of how they like to introduce completely new factions. Just not today, I guess.

>>94382379
Thanks to TOW they can introduce all the old factions as new factions.

>>94382352
>If they were thinking of ending Warhammer when designing a new edition, they wouldn't have designed a new edition, retard
Who are you trying to fool retard? 8th edition was designed to be the last big moneygrab before the end, which itself was an even greater moneygrab. Check out VC book, it already has ET narrative incorporated into it. And please stop pretending like GW just made up their mind about killing WH in a day, managed to write/print all the ET books with unique art, design and produce all those abominable models in a week and be ready to go in a month.

>>94382368
Lmao check out the context of my posts you dumb faggot
>that's most if not all editions
Oh, you're not sure which, newfag?

>>94382439
I'm talking about factions that either have had very little fluff written about them up until the point they're introduced, or who just had it rewritten entirely. Before Cathay, probably the best two examples across both Warhammer and 40k would be the Bretonnians and the Tau. Curious to see if you can spot the pattern.

>>94382209
>>94382344
Thing with cavalry being the king in 6th is just a /wfg/ meme repeated by nogames. Study in case: Bretonnia. Best cavalry and best cavalry related mechanics in the game. Yet somehow not only didn't it dominate both casual and tournament playing, it actually was never considered the best army of that edition. It was one of the best armies, sure, but never THE.

>>94382458
>And please stop pretending like GW just made up their mind about killing WH in a day, managed to write/print all the ET books with unique art, design and produce all those abominable models in a week and be ready to go in a month.
No, it was about halfway through the editions 5 year run, you fucking moron. The VC book was published years after the release of 8th edition, well after GW saw that their shitty moneygrab attempt had failed. Go suck a dick and hope that your bull's semen will rub your two brain cells together harder.

>>94382503
Ok, I don't get your example with Bretonnia anon.

>>94382542
I think that meme started gaining more ground in 7th because of shit like VC having ungodly HC deathstars that could take magic items/banners that protected them from a lot of the usual counters, such as being deleted by artillery. But even then, that was more due to army book power creep, not the base rules.

>>94382545
>No, it was about halfway through the editions 5 year run, you fucking moron.
>8th edition released date: june 2010
>8Tth edition VC release date: january 2012
Can you even fucking count you dumbfuck tourist revisionist? That's not even two full years and btw Nagash book was released in 2014. And again if you're an absolute trolling retard (check) and think that ET stuff included in a book released 1,5 years after the start of new edition was spontaneous then there's no hope for you. Also stop projecting your angry faggot fantasies.

>>94382550
5th edition Brets, like the Tau, were introduced by their strengths: noble, chivalrous, strong. Peasants could become knights and there was much less divide between the nobility and the peasantry. Similarly, Tau were all about the Greater Good and ruling through being smart and empathetic instead of fear, etc. The latter caused quite a stir in on the 40k side, and I remember some grumbling about the Brets too. Then, in later editions, the darker dirty sides of the factions came to light: the arrogance and cruelty of Bretonnian knights, the poor lot of the dumb, downtrodden peasants, the Tau basically mind-controlling their own people and sterilizing other races, etc. Anyone surprised that Cathay is being presented in the best possible light with things seemingly written by a gushing teenage boy haven't been paying attention or have forgotten: GW ALWAYS introduces a faction in the best possible light. Why? Cynically, because they want you to fucking buy it. Less cynically, first impressions matter and you only get one. People LIKE to play the faction that stands out from the rest by virtue of being maybe a little less grimdark, and by the time GW dials the grimdark back up in a later edition, they already consider that faction 'theirs'. They may complain and grumble (I did when 6th Brets came out), but they'll stick with it.

Cathay's lore paints it in the best possible light right now because it's New(tm). The seedy underbelly is coming up.

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>>94382368

>>94382647
>Similarly, Tau were all about the Greater Good and ruling through being smart and empathetic instead of fear, etc. The latter caused quite a stir in on the 40k side
Tau book had plenty of hints that propagandic and preachy tone of narrative style in which Codec was written was just that. I get your point but tau were not portrayed as paragons of morality and reason even in their first book. Totally agree with 5th ed Bretonnia though.

>>94382683
This is Warhammer fantasy, not 40k.

>>94382644
Hence the term ABOUT, you fucking mongoloid.
>That's not even two full years
I love how you're trying to pretend that this isn't more than enough time to see that you're last feeble attempt at saving declining sales isn't working.
>ET stuff included in a book released 1,5 years after the start of new edition was spontaneous
It wasn't fucking spontaneous, it was prompted by the deservedly dogshit reception of 8th.
>Also stop projecting your angry faggot fantasies
I'm just trying to help an angry faggot like you figure out how to get some braincells back since you seem to be down quite a few.

>>94381967
the only armies that didn't get books for 8th were brets, beasts and skaven, and the latter 2 were the last 2 books of 7th ed and meant to be compatible with 8th, hell, skaven were a starter army and got another wave of models not too long into the edition, they simply didn't need an 8th ed armybook.

>>94382690
I think they did a better job planting the seeds in the Tau book, agreed.

>>94382647
>GW ALWAYS introduces a faction in the best possible light
Simply not true. Not true at all. Bretonnia book was a special case exactly because it stood out by being detached from WHFB vibe. No other book was written like that and remember that there was a new faction introduced in 6th - Ogre Kingdoms. And ogre fluff hardly presents them in the best possible light.

>>94382683
surprised Empire never got a 5th edition Army book

>>94382647
Tau had hints but Bretonnia was a blatant asspull after a 180 by the writers and I won't be convinced otherwise.

>>94382782
Only handful of armies got books in 5th. It was a stopgap edition.

>>94382816
Weren't the Brets using their 5th in 8th?

>>94382838
wouldn't it be 6th since that was their most recent army book

>>94382849
Not sure
I've just heard that armies went multiple editions without a book
I started with WH in 2015 when 7th 40k launched, so am baby

>>94382838
Brets were using their 6th Ed book, published in 2003.

>>94382647
>Anyone surprised that Cathay is being presented in the best possible light with things seemingly written by a gushing teenage boy haven't been paying attention or have forgotten: GW ALWAYS introduces a faction in the best possible light
You can't apply old GW with what we have now. Worlds apart. Personally I think they did splendid job with Tak, writing them from the beginning with a subtle hints that meatheaded retards didn't get but progressively making them more down to earth with all the dirty stuff being more apparent especially when brutally factchecked after first contacts with the Imperium. And I'm talking here 3rd and 4th editions were 40k was still a thing not made for mentally disabled. There was a degree of thought and planning in Tau background in all aspects unlike shit we see today in 40k and scraps of TOW nulore which mostly concerns including women in modified unit entries from older books. Bear ice sleds to take you home bro.

>>94382888
Who the fuck is Tak?

>>94382898
Tau, I'm a stinky phoneposter and my finger slipped.

>>94382907
>he's a phoneposter
You can't see me, but imagine me looking down on you, with an expression of disdain on my face as I'm forced to pretend you are a human being.

>>94382041
Yeah but why even bring it up? It was in a discussion about how GW felt Fantasy was 'limiting', and that they had an idea to make some kind of dragonborn thing in Cathay but it didn't end up happening in the end.

>>94382102
If you can't believe that what ended up happening with Cathay ended up turning into "We're getting Dragonborn" through Chinese whispers (if you'll pardon the pun) I think you're just a bit thick.

>>94382915
Wouldn't you be looking up at him?

>>94382923
You cannot look up at someone. It's look up TO someone.
And no.

>>94382915
:'(

>>94382917
shapeshifting dragons ruling over a human civilisation and chinese dragonborn are very different ideas, there's no chance in hell they're directly related.

>>94382925
>You cannot look up at someone.
Someone at the top of the stairs? Or staring down at their phone?

>>94382647
>GW ALWAYS introduces a faction in the best possible light.
You simply cannot maken his argument without digging through tons of older editions material starting with 1st. And though I've never studied the 1st-3rd editions (one day I will) I somehow doubt that Chaos or undead were portrayed as anything other as they are to this day ie. evil.

>>94382940
>there's no chance in hell they're directly related
Don't crush Imrik's hopes and dreams like that, mate...

Do dragonborn have titties?
That decides whether or not they're acceptable

>>94383150
>racism outside of /b/
Go back.

>>94383175
I think so

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>>94383175
>dragons that happen to be bipeds with manipulatory arms
no tits
>hybrids made from a human with draconic blood
yes tits
>snake-people
no tits
>snake-people that use blood magic
yes tits
>alien lizard/frog people
no tits
>alien lizard/frog people spawned under the blessing of rigg
yes tits


I'm sure we can all agree on the above

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>>94383192

Are Skaven plague monks even worth it? Just curious.

>>94383423
No, just no
I am 1 of at least 2 Skaven players on this board
They're just bad

>>94383453
I wish the ap-1 didnt go away if you give them additional hand weapons

>>94383459
Oh, Anon, you sweet baby
They don't even have Warpstone Weapons to begin with

>>94383462
.......... Excuse me?

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>>94383467
>No Verification required.

>>94383471
Forget i ever asked if they were good holy shit thats just pathetic

>>94383477
Welcome to Skaven!
We hope you suffer!

Have the variant lists been disappointing to anyone else so far? I was hoping I'd find one inspiring to build an army with. Instead the only one I really like is bret border brigands

>>94383651
I don't think any of them are failures. They're either okay, great, or fluffy, but not bad so far. The most disappointing one so far is the Heralds of Darkness, and it's mostly just a Vanilla+ for Chaos Undivided.

>>94383477
Did you really think you were gonna get a free -1 ap + magical attacks on a T4 frenzy infantry for only 7 pts?
lol

>>94383956
nta
I'd take anything at this point

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I don't think I'm missing anything.
bit of a shame Engineers can't mount anymore; the mechanical steed looks cool.

>>94381074
>thus considered canon.
Incorrect. Things that I think are cool are canon. Things I think are lame are not..

>>94384121
>the mechanical steed looks cool.
Bad bait

Anyone got reccs for magical items and upgrades for O&G in ToW? I have a 2400 pt tourney and am struggling to make up those extra points

>>94379589
The problem is I don't know what to take, and can't fill the rest with models because, well, I don't have enough

>>94384665
I should add that what I mean by extra points is I built my army for 2000 pts but this tourney has 400 more and idk what to do to fill it. Gonna add a giant for some easy points at least

How's this list for TOW Ogres?

++ Characters [686 pts] ++
Tyrant [222 pts]
(Great weapon, Light armour, Brace of Ogre pistols, General, On foot, Armour of Meteoric Iron)

Slaughtermaster [339 pts]
(Additional hand weapon, Level 4 Wizard, Ruby Ring of Ruin, Grut's Sickle, Battle Magic)

Hunter [125 pts]
(Hand weapon, Harpoon launcher, On foot)

++ Core Units [768 pts] ++
6 Ogre Bulls [233 pts]
(Ironfists, Light armour, Look-out Gnoblar (Standard bearer), Crusher (champion), Standard bearer, Bellower (musician))

6 Ogre Bulls [233 pts]
(Ironfists, Light armour, Look-out Gnoblar (Standard bearer), Crusher (champion), Standard bearer, Bellower (musician))

6 Iron Guts [302 pts]
(Hand weapons, Great weapons, Heavy armour, Look-out Gnoblar (Standard bearer), Veteran, Gutlord, Standard bearer [Cannibal Totem], Bellower (musician))

++ Special Units [946 pts] ++
4 Mournfang Cavalry [325 pts]
(Great weapon, Heavy armour, Crusher (champion), Standard bearer [Bull Standard], Bellower (musician))

3 Yhetees [154 pts]
(Grimfrost weapons, Scouts, Greyback)

Ironblaster [185 pts]
(Cannon of the Sky-titans, Hand weapons)

4 Maneaters [282 pts]
(Hand weapons, Light armour, Immune to Psychology, Poisoned Attacks, Stubborn, Vanguard, 4x Great weapons, 4x Ogre pistols, Maneater Captain (champion), Standard bearer [Look-out Gnoblar], Bellower (musician))

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>>94384121
>the mechanical steed looks cool.
Its maybe the worst mini that has ever been released for Empire

>>94381074
Nu-GW also considers the End Times and Age of Smegmar canon which de-facto makes their judgements on what is and isn't canonical worthless, though I doubt a soulless golem like yourself will understand.

>>94385277
what are their names?

>>94385609
George, Steve, Harry, Bob and Gaylord

>>94385476
Imho entire 7th edition range looks like ass with an exception for plastic helblaster/helstorm and metal heroes who were pretty cool, cyborg horse obviously excluded.

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>>94385609
They’re Spanish themed, this guy is called Don Bruto del Barbaroja. I’m lost building for a tourney trying to avoid having a Lord on a big monster cos i don’t wanna paint one

>>94385883
I think I've seen some of these models posted in earlier threads. Very nicely done, anon! I've never been a big fan of Ogres but some of the minis posted here have given them lots of flavor and character that I found extremely groovy.

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>>94386125
Thanks king theyve been fun to paint. Have just some characters left before they’re done because I don’t wanna do the Lord on beast

>>94385476
It's even worse when you consider the concept art was for a wheeled contraption with a mini cannon that was just shaped like a horse because engineers have exactly that kind of sense of humour, exactly the sort of "probably wouldn't work IRL but is just plausible enough that non-engineers can believe it and engineers can enjoy it as a joke" thing that works perfectly in Warhammer, and instead whatever dipshit they gave the sculpting job to came back with
>Yeah okay BUT, what about if we made a robot horse?

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>>94386199
>concept art
the concept art explored multiple options

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>>94386255

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>>94385648
what's wrong with archers, greatswords or the plastic stank?

>>94386314
Sorry, I should have been more specific. Models you've mentioned were/are fine and they were released in 2009, I meant state troops, pistoliers and plastic general from 2007(?) coming in with new 7th ed army book.

>>94386199
It's even doble worse since this model was completely pointless from crunch perspective. Utterly idiotic.

>>94386344
oh fair enough, yeah some of that previous release was quite bland like the multipart wizards (I know they are loved for bits but the actual assembled models were boring and not very close to the artwork) and stuff like the banner or hammer in the general kit were really bad.

>>94386255
Youre telling me we couldve had a gobbo tricycle and instead we got that robohorse shit?

>>94386344
Meh, I thought the troops, pistoliers & general looked decent at the time. Although I admit the later archers & great-swordsmen were an improvement.

>2007
https://litter.catbox.moe/6fnmt3.pdf
>2009
https://litter.catbox.moe/wfm9y1.pdf

>>94386353
Why?

>>94386480
Yeah, later imperial models were good, 2007 ones were all monkeyfaced and general kit had that foot captain with big fat legs and tiny torso. Barded warhorse was cool though

>>94386480
I know a lot of people don't like the greatswords because they have no greaves so FULL plate doesn't really make much sense, but they are landsnekchts equivalents where that was common. The pistoliers look fine, outriders even better though I think people don't like the horses in those cases, they are a little stocky and derpy looking.

>>94386529
>but they are landsnekchts equivalents where that was common
Irrelevant and that circular logic dumb

>>94386529
>I know a lot of people don't like the greatswords because they have no greaves so FULL plate doesn't really make much sense, but they are landsnekchts equivalents where that was common
They are not landsknecht equivalents also it doesn't even make sense at all.

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>>94386529
>The pistoliers look fine
Really? They look dumb especially with full plate legs and torso and unarmoured arms, pretty bad design choice. Matter of taste of course but to me plastic pistoliers are just crappy models especially when compared to the phased out older ones

>>94386520
Because 7th edition engineers were not close combat models, they even lost the ability to take 50pts of magic items, and mechanical steed rules were made for close combat.

>>94386272
>>94386263
>>94386255
I was actually thinking about making something like these to use as demigryphs

>>94386543
Not that irrelevant desu when the Empire is supposed to be inspired by the HRE.

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>>94386597
you are kidding right?

>>94386543
>>94386567
you will never be right about Empire not being an historical analog, go play KoW or some shit if you want high fantasy

>>94386645
>>94386648
>historical analogue again
>because Empire is literally HRE xd
Get the fuck out of here retard. Also what this picture is even supposed to prove

I think

I won’t buy the beastmen, or the wood elves.

Maybe

Save for Cathay?

>>94386648
These are not XVI century pistoliers.

>>94386696
>doesn't know what analog means
>can't take a simple point from an image showing plated legs were the standard as the most vulnerable part of a horseman
I didn't expect brilliance but man is the bar low with this general

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>>94386696
The Empire is analogous to the HRE, much like the other human kingdoms of the Old World are inspired by other European nations.
Idk if you're a mouthbreather or simply enjoy being a contrarean, but it's the truth of it.

>>94386696
You know Rick Priestley has literally said his inspiration for many of the factions back in the day comes from irl history? Stop being gay

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>>94386639
it would probably be a good idea to tinker with doomflayers bits

>>94386722
>showing plated legs were the standard as the most vulnerable part of a horseman
Holy fuck you blind faggot look at the picture you've posted AGAIN. And compare it to plastic pistoliers. Mayby you'll see it in pasuses between drowning in your own drool and shitting yourself. Also no faglet, simplifying it, poleyns and sabatons were the first piece of the full plate set that was ditched in renaissance when cavalry became more diverse and new types of lighter cav were developed.
>>94386717
Yeah, I know he apparently even renamed the picture to make a point he didn't manage to make because of his retardation.

Gonna get me some bretonnian knights to paint and maybe build towards an army. Is the core set box a good buy even if I don't need stuff like the rule book or dice and hate the transfer sheet it comes with?

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>>94386717
very well, though empire pistoliers clearly have later cuirassier influences like the helmets and lobstered greaves

>>94386167
Have you got the giant crab rider?

>>94386752
>>94386766
Are you aware that while being inspired by HRE, WHFB Empire is not HRE but it's own thing? And that Greatswords are not only part of provincial professional standing army but are also explicitly written both in fluff and crunch to wear full plate armour since 6th edition? So no, they are not 'landsknecht'.

Great swords are all a bunch of homosexuals anyways. The face of vermintide 2 proved it when he decided to become French.

>>94386784
You can never have enough dice, anon, and I'm sure you could sell the rulebook to someone else to make back some of the costs. The core set has bretonnian models in it, so of course it's a good start for a bretonnian army, just be sure to finish painting all of it and use what you've got to play a few games before you buy anything else. And post pictures of your models here too!

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>>94386792
No, they are based on XVI century 'black and white' pistoliers. Here's an example of XVIth century armour used by them.

>>94386782
>newer types of lighter cav
which pistoliers aren't based on?

>look at the picture you've posted again
the one you claim isn't appropriate in any case? Yes I see it has no vambraces, but that was common especially among the Bavarian Army.

>they ditched sabatons first
pistoliers arent based on historical light cavalry you moron, they are based on cuirassiers. Again I know you struggle with the concept of analogs not being literal but jesus christ.

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>>94386813
Sorry wrong pic, was going to post real armour but this illustratiin shows XVIc pistoliers anyway.

>>94386813
>>94386829
Huh, cool didn't know they had them in XVI century as well. Those suits look baller btw.

>>94386706
Cathay is at minimum a year away if GW keeps to the release schedule we have now
Beastmen and Wood Elves are also at minimum 6 months away
so I don't think it really matters

Will GW be encouraged by Spearhead's warm reception to release a revised border patrol ruleset for TOW?

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For maybe the two people that care about this
C7 and Fatshark are doing a Vermintide WFRP stream today I'm guessing they are using the Character stat lines that the U5 characters got in the special edition of TEW
It might be useful inspiration for that one anon doing a Skaven camping from a few threads back

>>94386899
if they do a smaller version of HH I could see them doing new border patrol or WH Skirmish rules for TOW but until then I doubt it

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>>94384121
man, GW really needs to release a new Ulric priest.

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>>94387197
I think these are fine

>>94387197
Why? Those are great minis

>>94384121
since when can witch hunters ride on chaos beasts like pegasi and griffins?

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>>94387218
>>94387222
They're small, metal and old. What why.
In what year did they exactly come out?
>>94387230
Since TOW.

>>94387242
>wizard lord only
anon...

>>94387242
Nvm, the griffon is a mistake. They can mount a pegasus though.

>>94387242
>They're small, metal and old
They're the correct scale, the perfect material for a monopose hero, and made in GW's golden age

>>94387268
lol. lmao.

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>You may not spend more than 25% of your army’s total value on a single character.
>Your army may include any number of level 1 and 2 wizards (within the above
restrictions)
>But may only include:
>0-1 Level 3 Wizard per 1000 points
>0-1 Level 4 Wizard per 2000 points
Is this a step in the right direction?

>>94387302
I don't think it fixes enough
people are still going to field a big lvl4 wizard as an obligatory unit
people are still going to drop a guy on a dragon or 2 and dump as many protective items as possible onto them

there's no real choice being made in this part of armybuilding

>>94387242
>They're small, metal and old.
Yes, based?

>>94387321
No, old metal manlets aren't based.

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>>94387328
old metal manlets are so based they are based twice

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>>94387242
>small, metal and old
You just listed three excellent qualities, anon. The smaller, the older, the metaller(?), the better.

>>94387242
> small, metal and old.
Don’t describe my brain

>>94387302
Purely in terms of list building rules, yes. But it isn't enough. There's literally no reason to run level 2s when a single level 4 allows you to dominate the magic phase. I love magic, so I run multiple chaos sorcerers, but that doesn't change the fact that level 4s are grossly overpowered due to the way casting and dispelling works. And this isn't even mentioning the sheer stupidity that is allowing armies to have a fighter lord and a wizard lord at 2000 points.
Bring back power dice and dispel dice. Bring back lord/hero slots and combine them with percentile point restrictions.

You should get a handicap for not running a wizard

>>94387428
Elaborate. What kind of handicap? What is your reasoning? I don't disagree with you (though one might say that being able to take a combat lord instead of a caster lord is handicap enough) but you need to explain yourself properly.

>>94387328
/aosg/ is the down the hall and to the left

>>94387351
What do the runes say?

>>94387453
revenge

>>94387428
Neat idea, hope you aren't thinking you just get more points against the wizard(s)

>>94386648
Kys esl shitter.

>feet damsel on horse gets restocked the other day
>regular damsel in shoes still a never ever
Why does GW cater to footfags?

>>94387453
Buttsex

>>94387597
that's on the back

>>94387580
Because sculptors are footfags. That's why at least a half of warcry warbands have no shoes.

>>94381765
According to what's written there, yes
On the other hand, it is clearly a mistake on their side, I would check out the FAQ if it wasn't fixed already

>>94381765
it says + 130points, the plus indicating that is the additional cost on top of the character.

>>94381765
No, you clearly can't. It doesn't have a toughness, wounds or leadership stat and it's very clearly intended to be a mount. Why do you think you'd be allowed to take it as an independent monster?

>>94387751
You are right.
But he is pointing out that only the IG is a mount based on that little box on the bottom only mentioning the IG

>>94386825
>the one you claim isn't appropriate in any case?
Yes, because those are XVII century reiters and changing the pic name to what you did only proves you're an insecure manipulative faggot. And I told you to look at the pic you posted and compare it with 7th edition models in context of armour. How dense can you be?
>Yes I see it has no vambraces
I'm glad to educate you that vambraces are part of armour protecting the lower arm not leg, and as it happens your own pic has riders In full 3/4 which includes not only full arm protection but also gauntlets kek
>but that was common especially among the Bavarian Army
Stop spewing nonsense.
>pistoliers arent based on historical light cavalry you moron, they are based on cuirassiers.
Pistoliers were based on irl pistoliers aka. Black Riders of renaissance period shithead, their old metal models are literally that. Ahey weren't even called cuirassiers back in XVIc. Light or heavy cavalry classification depends on both equipment and doctrine, both pistoliers and demilancers were a new type of medium cav (ie. lighter than super tanks shock troops like Gendarmes or equivalent) except where demilancers were used only for charges, pistoliers fulfilled all manner of roles including being skirmishers depending on tactics, circumstances and commander. I never said they were light cavalry you illiterate impotent. Now fuck off. Done with you.

>>94379680
>How do you fix underpowered infantry in TOW?
Get rid of stomps, first charge and only infantry can claim Close Order, it doesn't totally fix Infantry but it sorts some of the problem

>>94386199
>>94385476
>Reminder that GW made it a unicorn single thing made by a rich noblewoman who was given an honorary "engineer" title because she showered money on the Imperial School of Engineers
And it was completely useless in the game itself

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>>94387932
>le engineer woman
>constructs tesla robot horse surpassing all engineers of all races, including dwarfs and Leonardo
Reminder that the 7th ed Empire book was written by the author of pic

>>94387948
>reading this shit
>caring about BL shit
not my problem

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>>94387997
Just saying that McNeill is a fag anon. Im glad you don't care.

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astérix est là

>>94388013
always thought that was ADB rather than Mcneill

>>94388073
Those, McNeill, ADB, Abnett are all megafags.

>>94388117
>Those
*Thorpe

>>94386829
It's funny how you can instantly recognize renaissance armour by the presence of plate codpiece

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>>94387922
>changing pic name
the pic didn't have a name beyond a serial address and the point is 'what is said unit inspired by', again you really can't comprehend the term 'analog' can you?

>>vambraces are armour protecting lower arm not leg
bitch you posted a picture of pistoliers with no leg armour, after having said empire pistoliers look dumb because, and I quote 'They look dumb especially with full plate legs'

>spewing nonsense
multiple instances where unplated arms existed, including in the 17th century the Bavarian Army. Have pic related or if you want to drone on about reiters look at the first image on the wiki.

>pistoliers were based on pistoliers
cuirassier is as valid a term, just later but again semantics is pointless when we are talking a design choice made by an individual to import into their setting.

>>94387625
That's disgusting. Why would they do that when shoes are so hot?

>>94388117
has Abnett ever really shit the bed like the other three
I can't really think of any of his work doing that be it BL, Rebellion or Big two comics
closest I can think of is that he made Eastila tropical in one book

>>94388147
His Siege of Terra books were complete trash (just like the rest of that damned book series).

>>94388169
it's odd that I completely forgot about the HH book series admittedly it was a series that I had zero interest in reading

>>94388169
Why don't you just off yourself you miserable faggot?

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Almost done with this unit. I just need to fix up some skin parts and other small details. After that they are finished!

>>94388032
Absolutely lovely. Will he have a ogre companion dressed as Obelix?

>>94388228
>hysterical reaction from extreme slop consumer
Hahahaha

>>94388244
Wow, nice! Would 10/10 call an Imperial-Bretonnian crusade on them

>>94388228
Did I touch a nerve? Did you actually like that slop?
>>94388190
I can understand that. Some parts of it are best left forgotten.

>>94388309
>Some parts of it are best left forgotten.
Unfortunately these "some parts" form a majority of the series.
>>94388147
Abnett generally speaking thinks he's above WH fluff/lore/bacground, doesn't quite understand the setting or mayby doesn't even know it at the level beyond superficial. List of his sins against reason, taste and fluff is quite long but retarded plotlines and me epic twysts are the worse. Personally I don't like his writing style either, his background as action comic author comes to the fore too many times with cringe one liners etc. He sucks balls at writing action (and most of all astartes) but his dialogues are second to none imho.

>>94388363
but did Abnett fuck up WF fluff or Lore that much?
I can think of a number of times he did for 40k but the limited number of fantasy books he did seem fine
Riders of the Dead is still considered a classic and basically defined all the Kislev lore anyone remembers that isn't Ice Wtich and Bear God

>>94388373
>but did Abnett fuck up WF fluff or Lore that much?
He did just handful of books not even 5 I think. I've only read couple of chapters od Gilead's Blood and find it pretty dumb iirc. Haven't read Fell Cargo or Riders of the Dead, they might be good even but Im not risking more stains on my WH memory, I value it too much.

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>>94388425
yeah, there is a reason Abnett dropped Gilead for a decade to focus on his other Elric expy in Warhammer, Malus.
I oddly think Gilead has a decent chance of getting rules in TOW, no proof just a hunch

>>94388476
Whatever the book quality, this cover is awesome

Do swordmasters know elven kung fu equivalent?

Anyone have a source for a little cart that would fit on a 50mm base?
Old World dwarf scenario and I need 3 things to pull

>>94389013
You mean stl?

>>94388986
I don't know of any kung fu style utilising leafbladed greatswords so doubtful. I always assumed that elves are particularly adept at fighting because they are so old and hence experienced and practiced well beyond the scope of a man. I think there is an element of elves beig slightly weaker than men and so they learn to use momentum to reduce the strain of swinging larger blades though.

>>94389085
That works

When will we get the missing Bretonnian units? want an official Lord of Bretonnia on Hippogryph.

>>94389471
after GW builds its factory since the production pipeline of models seems to be the main limiting factor for model releases recetnly

>>94389502
so never
the factory they are building is for paint and another for logistics, not actual plastic pushing

>>94389571
that means their more space in the original factory for plastic spruce manufacturing since they shared thame factory till now

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Alright, it seems clear that some of you didn't enjoy how Cathay, or even Kislev, has been portrayed in recent years.
I'm however curious to know what do you think about the Chaos Dwarfs, and how they were adapted. Well?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiHvsinEn58

Chorfs are a bit different, they've had previous tabletop rosters which WG drew from, personally I think they did a good job marrying the old big hat dwarves with the tamurkhan legion to produce a fun and varied roster, something which tOW should've learnt from

>>94389767
they went for the safest route possible: stay faithful, integrate both the old designs and the newer designs

>>94389767
I'm glad we have someone with disability represented in the game. Physical of course. Mental disability is much top common.

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>>94389884
>much top
Speaking of the mentally disabled.

How does the orb work against a mounted character? Can you just pokeball 500+ points of character with a single throw?

>>94389925
I assume you mean the Skaven Brass Orb
Yes, the target is a single model. Toss it in their hands and hope they roll a 6
You can try combo with the -2 Init spell, but you still have to roll to hit so you are investing a shit ton into a gimmick
I sucked a Beastman Shaman on Chariot with it, I laughed he did not

>>94390013
>I sucked a Beastman Shaman on Chariot
Gay, nothing to be proud of

>>94390075
Hey man, I play Skaven. I'll get on my knees if it means a chance at a win at this point

>>94390013
>>94389925
I lost a master necro on mortis to a pokeball on the 4th turn in a game in which I had only lost 90pts of models up until then. One shitty roll and 450pts went down the drain. It turned a complete steamroll into a draw (that was the last round we played)

Can characters charge out of their unit solo?

>>94390191
In TOW? That's a very good question! From what I understand, they can't. On page 207 of the core rulebook, under "Leaving a Unit", the text states that a character can leave a unit in the remaining moves sub-phase. I take that to be an exclusive can, so my answer to your question is no. It would also be kind of overpowered if a character could do that, too. Think about it.

>>94391318
>>94390191
I believe they can in some editions but if they do the unit forfeits the ability to charge, likely to prevent fuckery with a character preventing a flank charge.

>>94389767
the main difference is that the chaos dwarfs already had a full roster and the more fantastical elements were still designed by Priestley/Bligh. They did a very good job integrating two styles though, I can only imagine how shit they'll look in AoS by comparison.

>>94392819
>Gorgozoid Blasters of Hashut
>Firebelly Magmakin
>Rockstopper Jollyfuck Fireslavers

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>>94392819
>I can only imagine how shit they'll look in AoS by comparison.
all they have to do is give them full armours and big artillery pieces
how hard could they possibly fuck up?
>inb4 pic related

>>94393122
from the two related units they did with the hobgrots and hashut warband they could be themed around anything from africa to china, japan or arabic. It doesn't look like they'll keep the same assyrian aesthetic, but more differentiation is good since it means we are more likely to get chorfs back in TOW.

>>94393122
>AoS male dwarves* are running butt nekkid with only a loincloth
>AoS dwarves* women don't because
*they don't deserve to be called dwarfs

>>94393179
>*they don't deserve to be called dwarfs
So instead you'd call them by a term that Prof.Tolkien invented? You disgust me...

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Painted some more this week.

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>>94393336

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>>94393341

new TOW reveals on the 22nd of November
will most likely be Empire

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>>94393369
>will most likely be Empire
I doubt it. We'll only start seeing Empire stuff next next. We might get High Elf teaser though.

>>94393416
>next next
next year*.

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What are we expecting for the Beastmen release?

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>>94393477
the armies of infamy seem tailor made to reintroduce and focus as much as possible on the reintroduction of forge world models

with that thought in mind the two armies of infamy I could see getting a spotlight would be one centered around beastmen that would worship the chaos gods with a certain level of focus, allowing for the reintroduction of khornogors, pestigors (even if just as a made to order run) and perhaps fimir, since warriors of chaos skipped on them, while the second army could focus on monsters, with morghur at the head and a few forge world monsters like the basilisk and preyton to complement the menagerie of other monsters like cygors, jabberslythe and cockatrice

>>94393416
we only have a months left this year anon and the theme of the reveal is Humans so unless it's more Brettonia models, or the reveal of Cathay it's going to be Empire

>>94393336
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>>94393345
Nice anon !

i'm currently working on my BSB for my orc army im starting as I got sick of waiting for GW to release more empire stuff

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>>94393662
and I forgot to attach the pic

>>94393669
Is it resin or plastic?

>>94393669
Plastic, I remember when the kit came out when I was like 12

>>94393659
Then it's likely more Bretonnia. Which isn't a bad thing, I think. I mean, what else could Bretonnia could further get?
>Cathay
Lmao no. I don't doubt that they'll eventually come out, but only after the existing factions (Legacy ones not counting). 2nd edition maybe.
As for the Empire, I still think they'll stick with the roadmap, and we'll get them in 2025 (hopefully during the first half of the year).

>>94393812
A Sargent-At-Arm model maybe for Brettonia but you are ignoring the point, this is just a reveal stream where they show off models that they will release in the future so Empire will still be released in 2025 but they are showing off the models next week

>>94393829
Hmm, maybe. I would certainly be happy if it ends up happening.
Although I would think that the Empire would be revealed later this year; much like the Bretonnia vs Tomb Kings box was revealed on Christmas.

>>94393886
well anon we know we are getting a TOW reveal next week and the reveal is focused on Humans so that very much limits what can be revealed for TOW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loTXFzymdM4

>>94393477
I expect a Dragon Ogre themed AoI, similar to the Troll one for Orcs, where you can have Dragon Ogres as core and Shaggoths can be generals (perhaps even a Kholek model released). As for the other one, probably what >>94393653 said, something built around an old Forgeworld kit they're bringing back like a Swamp AoI based around Fimir, shamanic one based around the Incarnate of Beasts, something like that. Though I think the Merwyrm will actually be part of the High Elf book as part of a Sea Guard AoI.

A Pestigor themed AoI could be based around some of the old Tamurkhan stuff, I know back in the day it was part of Chaos Warriors, but it was mainly stuff like Ogres and Trolls, which is now Beastmen too.

>>94393179
Upper two are the oldschool kind of chaos dwarf, Dawi Dum or 'short chaos warrior' chorfs. They worship chaos proper and not Hashut who's only kinda tangentially chaos-related. The female dwarfs are order-aligned semi-vanilla ones (cult of Grimnir). I don't think the comparison is justified.

>>94393286
Modern English has two plurals for the word dwarf: dwarfs and dwarves. Dwarfs remains the most commonly employed plural. The minority plural dwarves was recorded as early as 1818. However, it was later popularized by the fiction of philologist and legendarium author J. R. R. Tolkien, originating as a hypercorrective mistake. It was employed by Tolkien for some time before 1917.[4] Regarding his use of this plural, Tolkien wrote in 1937, "I am afraid it is just a piece of private bad grammar, rather shocking in a philologist; but I shall have to go with it."

At least that's what Wikipedia says

>>94393336
>>94393341
>>94393345
Damn, you paint fast and well

>>94393179
They're called dwardn, in fact

>>94394858
Dwrdn?

>>94393416
>So far
That text about 'beloved faction's returning is so cringe. I still remember GW shit talking and making fun of WHFB in their faggy AoS articles

>>94395087
Warcom isn't GW. It's a bunch of interns passing a crack pipe and a single communal use braincell around.

>>94395129
what's the difference with gw? GW has even more troons in it?

>94395193
Find better bait.

>>94393369
It'll probably just be the Frydal Chainmaker model, maybe Kiknik too

>>94395129
Warcom is literally GW mouthpiece what the hell are you talking about

>>94393416
imagine being so retarded you cant even do a roadmap properly

im pretty sure GW has a subscription service of diapers for all their employees

>>94395419
assume he means that war com have gotten a lot of stuff wrong even about releases that had to be corrected later, but that just means there's no upper management vetting them closely.

>>94395087
Rent free lmao

>>94395780
>noooo I don't want to hear it aaahhh shut up and leave GW alone!!!

>>94395780
Except they really did you assblasted schizo

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WGA is killing it.

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>>94396036
Whoops wrong pic.

>>94395058
Drdn, indeed

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>>94396047
what would you use these guys for
Slings aren't a comment weapon for Warhammer Huamsn to use
also a lot of those spear are very Bent

>>94396142
Fun fact
Skaven are the only army in the entire game that use slings, yet the rules for a sling are in the core rulebook

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I went digging through the dakka dakka warhammer fantasy forums and found a thread (https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/jforum.page?module=posts&action=list&topic_id=281197&viewResults=true) that was made a couple months before 8th ed. came out which had a poll asking people which armies they played. This is obviously not as reliable a source of information on army popularity as the Albion event results and the sample is probably a bit biased because... well, it's dakka dakka, but it's still something interesting to think about.

>>94396149
for TOW?
yeah that doesn't surprise me kinda wish Savage Orcs, Beastmen or Tomb King could use them

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I'm thinking about starting either warriors of chaos or beastmen. Sell me on either
I like the savage beasts and despoiling heathen aspect of the beastmen, but unlike the story potential and villainhammer of WOC. Also I preffer the look of blocks of warriors compared to blocks of ungors or goes. Idk, WOC with bestigor heads kinda seems cool but it might be a bit too anachronistic to the lore.

>>94396163
Well, with WoC you can make a 17 model list

>>94396163
*But I like

>>94396167
Well if I do WOC I won't use a dragon until at least 3k points. Using a dragon in any smaller game feels cheap.
That's another problem I have with beasts, less options. Sure in this edition I can bring ogres and trolls like the good ol days, but WOC still had more options. Thought about doing WOC but fielding beastmen as allies.

>>94396149
don't gnoblars use them? Still legacy so lol but I thought so unless it just counts as throwing weapons.

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>>94396163
The warriors of chaos are the coolest army in the whole game. You've got everything an evil army could ever want: evil warriors, evil wizards, evil daemons, evil monsters, it's all evil all the way down. It's also, in my opinion, the most free-form army to collect and paint. If you ever get bored painting one kind of chaos warrior, you can work on a unit with a different mark next, or take your time and make a chaos champion or chaos sorcerer look real nice.
As for the story potential, that's exactly right. The army gives you a lot of freedom to come up with names and stories for your lords/heroes and your regiments too.
Also, if you plan on playing older editions, you could collect both armies. You can mix mortals, daemons and beasts in 6th ed, as well as the earlier editions, and a combined arms chaos army looks really impressive. You can't really do that in 7th, 8th or TOW unfortunately.
In addition, warriors with beastmen heads aren't really out of place. That's a fairly common mutation. You'll just have to learn how to use greenstuff to make the heads fit.
Honestly though, I don't think words will be able to convince you to start one army or another. The best thing you can do is to look at pictures of the armies you're interesting in. That's what got me in to chaos way back in 2012 - even if I had to wait 10 years to start an army, it was worth the wait.

>>94396223
>The warriors of chaos are the coolest army in the whole game
Stopped reading after that since it's obvious you can be only wrong.

>>94396197
Nope they use something else that counts as throwing weapons

>>94396269
Substantiate your claims, anon. Chaos is the coolest until proven otherwise.

>>94396194
IF you are willing to wait
I'd be interested to see what BM get in their book. If GW brings back a bunch of the forest monsters that could make for a cool army.
You can always start small with a bit of both and do allies

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>>94396142
Good catch on the spear. At first glance I thought it was a bow.

Could mix a couple slingers in with other peasant mobs. Or just not build that option. Looks like they'd plenty of options on the sprue.

>>94396047
These would be good brigands for an exiles army

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>>94396340
might be better to mix and match it with another WGA kit like the conquistadors or the Sargent kit that is coming out after this peasant kit

>>94396163
Beastmen have the best background. A bunch of asshurt incels who want to return to tradition ( before humans learned to build walls ) angry at humanity and the world because the chaos gods prefer humans to them.

>>94396223
Can’t Wolves of the Sea run Beastmen?

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>>94396613
Just Gor & Ungor Herbs, and only as Mercenaries.

>>94396613
That's interesting, I didn't even realize they could do that. It's kind of weird that only that army list can take them... I hate that! Why is the regular army list forced to take them as allies? Why does my LGS ban allies? That sucks! We should all go back to playing 6th ed.