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Lynch all Knight players.
>>96555606Calm down fatso
>>96555606Seconded
>>96555606What about chaos knights?
>Only the little Mek can repair vehicles nowDumb
>>96555592>TQNecrons. They've got my favorite lore by far.Anyway, post models, gentlemen
>Black Templars>Fleash Eaters>Angels EncarmineWhat other chapters fit into the "hyper zealous rip and tear perpetual crusader" archetype?
>>96555592>TQSisters and GSC. You just have to buy so many models for not a lot of points. When the Sacresanct Kill Team comes out I’ll probably jump into that game in earnest to actually play the Sisters at least.
>>96555592>TQRed Corsairs because Chaos Space Marine pirates sounds goofy and fun
*Flesh Tearers
>>96555649Necrons rule
slice of life 40k>>>>>mainline 40kit's just simple fact
I hope they reveal an Ultramarine today it has already been 12hours since last time
>>96555592>TQDeldar.Idk there's something appealing about them.
>sister?
>>96555668For example?
>>96555677I'd say now isn't really the best time to start DEldar but honestly I don't know that there is ever a good time to start them. Maybe when they still had the double boat CP.
>>96555690Necromunda
>>96555668Mainline 40k appeals to the marvel crowd and they pay the most.Minor but detailed campaign content doesn't sell as well.
When are we gonna get our hands on this guy?
>>96555658Vahl and paragon suits is like 400 points
>go to lgs>staff asks what im looking for>tell him imperial knights>get 15 minute autismo rant about their rule set>just build them because they look coolcan one of you autists virginal enough to play the tabletop tell me why im the warhammer equivalent of hitler
What's the core concept behind why people make /yourdudes/? Im trying to explain it to a buddy and im sounding like a retard when i do it.
>>96555722Knights should really just be an additional part of Marines armies and not a full army thing. They play entirely different than every other army.
I know it's an unpopular take and people would like some sort of primarch or space marine do it, BUTAbaddon should be killed by a normal, as thematically it would be the biggest "fuck you" to him as a person, since he believes in marine supremacy and that marines should rule mankind. Someone like Guilliman or Dante killing Abaddon would just simply reaffirm his beliefs.He also has to die because he genuinely looks ridiculous and chaos needs a leader with aura and a non-controversial track record.
>>96555728ever read a fanfic?
>>96555668Nah, I don't want to read about Michael the guy.
>>96555739What's the weakest thing that could kill Abaddon on the tabletop?
>>96555668>>96555701Varangantua > Necromunda
>>96555728The main drive is having something entirely your own, for good or ill, it allows you to tell a story as you play. Tracking your own heroes and special dudes across your games and even potentially recording their glorious deaths or ignominious failures. It’s about introducing your own flavour when you everything else has grown stale. Just remember you’re still cringe when you do it and few if any people will really care about distinctions between /yourguys/ and whatever canon force or organization is most like them.
>>96555713>
>>96555749no instead you'll read about space marine beefcake mclargehuge written by a slop BL writer with homoerotic themes because you're a fag
>>96555753Anything could kill anything on TT, it's just that T/S/D/S+ differences make it unlikely to happen in some matchups.
>>96555771Truly only fags would want soldiers to be focused on in a book about a wargame.
>>96555592TQOrks. I REALLY want to run a green tide of over a hundred boyz, but I am too autistic about painting every little detail so I know it would be impossible.Each of my boys would have this detailed of a paintjob, and that would just be impossible.
Is it a little weird to anybody else how it feels like Imperium fans have an odd tendency to take snippets from Imperium losses and use it out of context to make them seem much scarier? Like, I’ve seen it several times where you’ll have some snippet that’s like:>Imperium soldier boasting about how powerful the Imperium is>Entire Imperium army gets absolutely folded right afterwards>”See that badass quote? The xenos are quivering in their boots!”
>>96555765Shut up bitch, no one cares about your fanfics.
>>96555769I never get this argument for storm shields. They're all glorified energy shield projectors, so a tower shield would be a disadvantage in that context as you want something for melee combat too.
>>96555739Are you just gonna post this every thread now?
>>96555692Yeah that's why I haven't tried yrt
>>96555783Not really no.
>>96555790That's the first time I posted it
>>96555783The Damocles crusade downplay is funny and I'm not even a Taufag
>>96555728It’s the same concept behind making your own character in DnD, it’s roleplay, just at a larger scale. Even if you’re playing say, the Ultramarines, for that battle scenario (You) are playing their role. But because 40K facilitates it, /yourdudes/ are you creating your own role.
>Drukhari lost 5 units>Ultramarines gain 5beyond parody
>>96555776>soldiersnah, gang warfare and civilians
>>96555783Every fan does this. It's humancore, going all the way back to Sparta's famous "If" letter.
>>96555809and you WILL buy them
>>96555810Is this what you've crawled from you general to say, you are pissy necromunda isn't the main game?
>>96555809How do you lose five units, bro. Did GW break into your house and steal them over night?
>>96555822Sadly my army is Drukhari and we've done the calcing and Mayls is not worth the points while the Hand is just a straight downgrade from normal Kabalite warriors (which is odd as they cost more both IRL and in points)
>>96555592I've always wanted to make a shitty ganger force like Savlar but infantry-heavy IG is way too pricy.
>>96555728having them however you want down to every minute detail, and feeling like you own, alone, own them and have control of what they are and do.some people are fine with playing a preexisting subfaction or character, but others prefer a different color scheme, or a different background for them, or to have a certain level of freedom and continuity with the games they've had; say for example you are having a narrative campaign with your friends and you have huron blackheart guide an army of chaos marines to plunder the pariah nexus; then next week gw comes out with some other story and says "huron has been stuck in this other place all along!", some people would feel 'cheated' of their own narrative in a way, so by having a completely original character you can be sure that gw is not imposing a different narrative on them; it is also somewhat harder to convince people that the narratives you have had on your own with your gaming group, that happen to involve special characters, can be considered valid by others, meanwhile with original characters you can present your story with them and as long as it doesn't break the setting, people are prone to taking it as something as canonical as a snippet of lore in a codex's timeline.none of the above is a particularly damning problem, but it's still something that can and does influence the choice to have your own character instead of adopting a pre-existing one.
>>96555803Still find weird they made it an inside job now.Bit too on the nose for a faction made in 2001
>>96555809>*sigh* all that plastic being used on those ultramarine models could have instead been used on dark eldari urghouls, imagine if we got an urghoul HQ instead of Calgar!
>>96555803It applies to the Necrons too. I mean obviously it’s a constant occurrence with the Tau (Damocles Crusade, the Dreadnought, the Titans, the Agrellan Campaign), but it happens in the Silent King too with Guilliman making a badass speech about how the Necrons are on their way out and how it’s humanity’s destiny to rule the stars…and then his entire fleet and army gets absolutely bodied by the Necrons and he has to retreat. And this is presented as a badass moment for the IMPERIUM
Are fleet based space marines just an army of murderhobos?
>>96555831>Taking Codex points at face value
>>96555831>Mayls is not worth the pointsbut she's basically Uriel Ventris, that's fun
>>96555728When your friend played baldurs gate 3, did they make their own Tav, or did they use a preset character?If theyre the kind of cuck who used something premade for them, and didnt want to put their own heart, soul and effort into crafting their own narrative and background for a character, they wont care about /yourguys/ and should just stick to a canon faction.
>>96555851Don't forget he has to be bailed out by his Eldar buddy, who warned him not to go in the first place
>>96555845The extra funny thing is they had a plastic Ur-Ghul kit already and squatted that too along with all the resin
>>96555845The Jump Pack Captian was TWO YEARS OLD and got a replacement
>>96555858>Basically Uriel Ventris for 20 more points
>>96555863they didn't have a plastic urghul kitthey had a blackstone fortress sprue with a urghul in itit cannot be extracted from that sprue without making a whole new mould, so in practice they didn't have a kit
>>96555769
>>96555867Is it a replacement or an additional model?
>>96555592>TQClowns because freehand is fun. Don't think I have the energy to make a full army but at some point I wanna get a squad and make a diorama where they do jojo poses or the pointing wojacks meme or some other joke thing
>>96555858Nah, Ventris gives Deep Strike to units (which was pretty strong) and she instead gives Redeploy, which is good but not as good.Malys costs more than Logan Grimnar for a much worse defensive profile, an arguably worse reserves rule and mostly worse melee (She also has hazardous and kills herself when she hits things).
>>96555809>Grey Knights lose two characters>Space Marines randomly gain five characters>Dark Eldar lose five units>Ultramarines randomly gain four new unitsComedy gold
>>96555884It's a replacement since it's joining the standard range
how will they reimplement the court of the archon
>>96555826no, just that its better and the nu-40k fan could never understand
>>96555894It doesn't have all of the options from the previous one, it'll be an alternate option similar to how there's several different lieutenant models that share a datasheet.
>>96555895Reimplement?
>we're getting a blue chapter master that is fist themed>not pedro cantorfeels bad
>>96555900How come 40k even still exists if everyone knows Necromunda is better?
>>96555592GSClove the aesthetics and theme of the army but I'll never paint a horde army, let alone one as detailed as them
>>96555903Complain about to the RT era GW staff that rolled him as having two fists.
>>96555895The Hand of the Archon is the new Court of the Archon and is somehow even more janky than that weird unit it replacedIf you mean like when are Sslyth, Medusa, and Urghouls coming back than probably never or with one of their small refresh waves over the next several editions.
>>96555809I kept telling DE refresh ritualposter that his actions would have consequences. God saw fit to punish him.
>>96555908NTA, I'd get into necromunda if I didn't feel like it requires me to buy £250 of terrain to make a decent board with enough verticality.
>>96555913He should keep posting so we get more space marines. Maybe he can get the Blood Angels refreshed again.
>>96555592SistersI like the aesthetic a lot but I'm horrible at painting faces and it would seem wrong to stick a helmet on all of them. Also they're expensive
>>96555728Having much more freedom with what you can do with your toys, if you're painting black templars sure you could paint them blue and say they're a crusade fleet that wears blue but you'll still be constrained by established fluff and standards for the army whereas you can just make a donut steel chapter using black templar models and paint them blue and make up whatever the fuck you want for them, and build out their story through the games you've played
>>96555913Yeah he cursed his kin
>>96555787bigger looks cooler, simple asif the smaller shields were like fancy bucklers they'd look better but the tiny cross shield always looked dumb, the longer tower-esque cross shields are better
>>96555912>>96555895The HotA can't be a CotA replacement because the Hand of the Archon is the most schizophrenic unit I've ever seen and fails to do much of anything, let alone replace CotA.You can't even use the Hand of the Archon to attach to an Archon and get a benefit out of one of the Archon enhancements that is specifically meant to benefit Hand of the Archon.(HotA can be granted Infiltrate by the Informant Network enhancement - but since Infiltrators requires every unit to have it, HotA can't infiltrate forward with the Archon. Infiltrate into Scout with an Archon for a t1 play doesn't work anymore)
>>96555912what about lamaens? are they too problematic
When DE do actually get their refresh are people going to apologize for complaining? No. They'll forget and move on to complaining about whatever the current issue of the day is whenever that happens.
>>96555941>Courtesan modelYeah that's going straight in the memory hole next to the prisoner and slave model
>>96555787big one looks cool
>>96555942I'm not sure I understand. Who are the people you are expecting to apologize?
Man I feel like there's no way to make a competitive firestorm list without taking every salamanders character and spamming eradicators. I want to play my dudes and hate gravis.
>>96555787you can plant the tower shield into the ground to brace for heavy impacts and more importantly it looks cool
>>96555809>Ultramarines gain 5Where? Clagar, Victrix and Cato already exist. What else are they getting?
>>96555966I believe he's counting the Champion and Ancient as separate units when they're likely just options within the Victrix unit.
>>96555966>>96555970Jump Pack Captain and Ferren Arreios
>>96555933>the tiny cross shield always looked dumbLooks great to me. Can't wait for updated assault terminators and for the captain to get hammer and shield back.
There are so many new Ultramarine units I'm discovering new Ultramarines I never knew existedwtf do you mean they added another ultramarine captain
>>96555977JPC already existed and isn't a UM specific model
>>96555977The jump pack captain id a generic model for a loadout the unit can already use. There's nothing new about him.>Literal whoOkay but that's a single new unit.
>>96555977Jump pack captain isn't ultramarines specific and also isn't a new unit, but fair point about Arreios.
>>96555978assault terminators without dual lightning claws are for gays
>>96555977>uM get this dude>40k doesn't get a siegebreaker equivalent to lead updated devastators Tragic.
>>96555984At least you can use this one as a generic captain.
>>96555984If I got to the store 2 minutes earlier I would've gotten one of these, I'm still mad about it.
>>96555997I just never understood the use of them. LCs are to mow down chaff and I don't need to pay for terminator armour to do that when vanvets can do the same. If we're talking about hammers and shields, vanvets can get jump packs so they still have a different niche.
>>96555984He doesn't have a unique datasheet, he's effectively just an alternate sculpt generic captain
>>96555960>Wants to play competitive>Doesn't want to play competitive listsAre you dumb?
>>96555960Luckily for you GW has realized the error of their ways and now also hates gravis. It's no coincidence they're shoving Aggressors and Heavy Intercessors into every new combat patrol wherever they can.
>>96556016I think competitive lists requiring every named character to not be at a handicap is crap design. Devastators not being able to compete with eradicators is also shit internal balance.
>>96555984>>96555977>>96555891>>96555809So the new Ultramarine Specific sculpts we got so far in 2025 are - >Chapter Master Calgar>"I don't think the Writers even know his rank anymore" Cato Sicarius>Vitrix Guard>Captain Ferren Arreios>Captain CentosIn terms of Generic Space Marine models, we got>Jump Pack CaptainNon-UM Space Marines got>Caanok Var>Vulkan Hestan>Darnath Lysander>Suboden Khan>Aethon ShaanDrukhari lost>Tantalus>Grotesques>Court of the Archon, which was itself merging 4 datasheets into a single unit >Urien >Beastmaster
>>96556034Centos is generic.
>>96556023They realized they can't replace terminators with gravis (so they remade calgar as terminator again) and they'll squat gravis in 11th.
>>96556034>BeastmasterIf you're gonna call out the Court for being 4 data sheets than acknowledge that the BM was the same thing
>>96556061This site should have betting markets so I can make money off your obviously wrong opinions.
>>96556061I don't think so, they'll stick around until some time in 12th or 13th but with bad rules and no new units
>>96556034Centos is pretty functionally generic. He seems to be the model to convert into /yourdude/ back in the day and the current one continues that by not molding the Ultramarine heraldry on the pauldrons.
>>96556034Don't forget beast master was actually four units merged into one as well. Previously each type of beast could be run seperately.GW kind of pulled a fast one and squatted 10 units while making it look like 4.
>>96556034Space marines keep the lights on for GW. Drukhari don't.
>>96556112Of course not. Drukhari put the lights out. They keep the Space Marines employed turning lights back on.
>>96555923What can GW even give Blood Angels to save their range? Sure, they could swap out the awful SG and finally put out proper DC models, but I think that still leaves them lagging behind other unique chapters in terms of special non-character units.The options I see are another unique dreadnought to replace the librarian boxnaught, special assault terminators, or rip off Horus Heresy and make a shooty flying unit that isn’t inceptors, preferably with some amount of melee.
>>96556135>What can GW even give Blood Angels to save their range?BA never really had that many unique units.It was mostly just the Death Company and Sanguinary Guard and the librarian dreadnoughtAll GW needs to do is just do>actual DC kit>a proper sanguinary guard kit that doesn't look like shit>librarian redemptor variant>unique BA terminatorsThere, we've saved the BA model range.
>>96556135Unsquat their dreads and squat primaris.
So if you’re interested in Grey Knights, is it just better to wait for a range refresh in 11th?Or is it genuinely so fucked that you’re still better of just buying the current models because it’ll be another half a decade before any form of refresh is given to them?
>>96556182Look at the lil marines. They're so cute
>>96556182worst case scenario is a blood angels tier refresh, and then the current range starts to dry up quick.best case is an amazing refresh that GW puts a lot of effort in to, because GK sell so well and are so popular. It's definitely worth their time to do that and not 8 space marine characters (3 ultra)
>>96556182
>>96556135Just give them everything that Drukhari lost:An elite squad to join a chapter masterA special apothecaryA unique leader for mindless beastsA bunch of space marines reduced to mindless beasts with inhuman ferocityRemake all those again and Blood Angels should be just fine.
>>96556216Nobody cares about the Drukhari tho. They are the least popular Xenos faction.
>>96556203Out of curiosity do Dark Eldar or Grey Knights sell better? Both are basically unchanged from the 5th edition army release.
>>96556222Pretty sure they're the least popular faction period (unless you count Clowns or Kroot as factions).
>>96556160>librarian redemptor variantThis is stupid. First because redemptors shouldn't be the standard dread, they should be the 40k era cheap version of the leviathan the same way castra ferrums are the cheap man version of the contemptor. Second because, just like the leviathan, they kill their pilots and wasting a librarian on one of them would be massively retarded.
>>96556226We can really only guess at individual army sales for most armies, besides Space Marines which are definitely #1.
>>96555722Army of all giant tanks that require dedicated anti tank to reasonably hurt. So I either know I am playing against knights and decide to take all anti tank and I know I’m going to win, or I don’t know, don’t have enough anti tank and know I’m going to lose a 3 hour game before we start. Playing against a knight player is like playing against a rock only player that gets mad when you choose paper.
>>96556222quite a few are less popular still
>>96556254layering, learning color theory, using contrasting shadow colors etcAlso for the record highlighting is a process no matter how you wanna paint. You cant have a model without highlights because thats not how light works. Edge highlighting like heavy metal paintjobs is a different thing, and even then even if you wanna make a fully realistic paintjob youre still gonna need to edge highlight on occasion. At the end of the day shades, washes etc are just tools and they all have their place.
>>96556251steeeep falloff for GK and lower
>>96555728For me its i like the idea of a specific faction, but there’s one thing i want to change or add I like thousands sons but i also like the idea of having lots of daemons and no tzaangors so it makes sense to make a separate warband that is a successor It’s also just funnier doing weirder things
>>96556251>GSC that low
>>96556251Literally 1 Xenos army less popular according to this. Is this tournament lists?
>>96556251How the fuck do we save Admech?
>>96556266well imperial agents is hardly an army and it's not particularly good so there's not much appeal, and people are nervous about starting DW now because they think they'll just get squatted again>>96556271GSC always has been very niche on the actual tabletop just because of the cost of entry and the more demanding playstyle>>96556273>o-only xenosirrelevant, the fact that there are imperium armies less popular than dark eldar is very tellingand no, it's all matches played and logged by people using their app>>96556279make them a semi-elite army again and reduce model countnever happening though, GW wants you buying more and more plastic
>>96556235Are you surprised? When was the last time Deldar got anything before Incubi? And that was 6 years ago.
>>96556279Import the 30k models
>>96556279Not make a 2000 point army cost $3000
>>96556279Literally just add all the 30k units and make future releases in that style.
>>96556273>Is this tournament lists?nta, it's the goonhammer site, it logs all games people track points with using their app, it's generally one of the widest sample pools we have available to gather data from for non-tourney play
>>96555809Specifically ultramarines, not even general space marines, can gain more units in a week than some factions can in several editions
>>96556287>>96556294fuck noliterally only the thallax and techpriests in 30k look good, the rest manage to look even worse than 40k admech
>>96556304Tastelet
>>96556313enjoy your slop thralls and piles of greeblies pretending to be vehicles
>>96556251>GSC below GKI am missing my the Fast and the Furious meme so I will say:Nigga how???
>>96556304>look even worse than 40k admechThis is not possible.
>>96556243>but this lore about redemptorsNobody cares, not even GW.
>>96556287I already do.
>>96556251>They are the least popular Xenos faction>Quite a few are less popularLearn to read
>>96556332And GSC are less popular, you're the one who needs to learn to read
>>96556332But that's correct??
>>96556320>nigga howGSC are expensive and niche, GK are still Imperium despite being an older range.>t. gsc player
>>96556160>>96556243Hell, I’d take a plasticized version of the jump pack contemptor. It’s no librarian dread, but it’s a pretty cool model.Though given the trend of chapter champion models, maybe we’ll see a return of a Sanguinary Champion?
>>96556317I feel like every time people criticize HH mechanicum models, it’s always the thralls that get brought up and nothing else. Almost like the majority of the range is straight up better than 40k admech.
>>96556358>maybe we’ll see a return of a Sanguinary Champion?Wow, so we can get another bland stormcast faggot with no wings?No thank you.
>>96556320The GSC concept and aesthetic is kind of a very specific sci-fi horror niche in the same way that Dark Eldar are a very specific sci-fi horror niche. It's just not a genre with a massive fanbase to pull upon. They're also just both insanely expensive and difficult to play and hobby on.
>>96556346>>96556350So a single xenos army then?
>>96556374the robots look even worse than the 50s scifi robots in 40kthe vehicles are ungodly levels of dogshitthe only good looking models are the thallax and techpriests
>>96556378Deathwatch and Imperial Agents are both Ordo Xenos Armies.
>>96556328Well maybe they should so they can stop ruining the entire faction.
>>96556378>goalposts movedI accept your concession retard-kun
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>96556392Redemptors are fine.
>>96556251Every Army below this line is a waste of GW resources and should be discontinued.
>>96556419Post pics.
>>96556410Thankyou for keeping me and my fellow sissies around.
another year another Krieg novel that will sell a gorillion copies and top all charts and outsell every xenos book combined(redditors will still be flabbergasted, angry and confused as to why GW keeps pandering to guardchuds instead of their faction)
>pov you thought you could score cull the horde this turn.
>>96555765This is beautiful anon
>>96556399You don’t need to sign your posts
>>96556438I still cannot believe that trash Lilith Hesperax book made it to third.
>>96556374Tank, myrmidons, thralls are all trash. Tech priests are worse than 40k ones, only that archmagos model could even hope to stand next to cawl or dominus. Those biggest robots have such retarded proportions I can't stand looking at them.Scyllax and Thallax are admittedly cool, I wouldn't mind having them in 40k. Still worse than Skitarii/Sicarians. You fags hate on 40k admech because of 3 or 4 models which aren't even bad, just don't fit with how people imagined admech
>>96556438Where did you find this image and how is reddit reacting to it?
>>96556445Did he close his account? I can't find it. What a piece of shit.
>>96556467That image is almost half a year old now, isn't it? GW shared it on their website. That's from their own community page.
Mutalith warp beasts used to be completely dogshit for the last several editions. Ever since 10th came around they've been consistently juiced up, between the stats and the abilities you are shooting yourself in the foot for not including them. Hence every thousand sons list having 2-3 of themConsidering the model itself is fairly old I think it's fair to assume that GW has heavily statted them to sell well, probably to clear out their old stock and free up some shelve space
>>96556475oh thanks. I thought it was recent.
>>96556375The fix to sanguinary guard was already mentioned in previous posts, keep up anon.
>>96556446>beautifullet's not get ahead of ourselves here
>>96556438Please for the love of christ give us catachans10th edition guard feels so fucking bland pls give us something
>>96556445Is he not British? Why do brits care so much about american /pol/shit?
Can Coal Hearts anon please post a pic of his chapter symbol?
>>96556419fuck off decalmutant
>>96556503Because they spend too much on the internet
>>96556135they shoud have reivers with full jump packs and vampire masks
>>96556406No.
>>96556419
>>96556507Why are you assuming that was me? It wasnt fyi...
>>96556445Holy based. This guys fucks. Critical of Isreal though, I hope he doesn't lose his job from the jews over this.
>>96556438Toxic Yuri coming in 3rd is nice!!!
>>96556492This unironically though They really need to be a Guard killteam released during 11th edition at the very least.
>>96556445Lmao, what an idiot.
>>965565031KYAE
>>96556524an immature childlike mind wrote this post
>>96556531The killteam boxes dont feel like real 40k units and i cant figure out why
>>96556445>Woah my favorite eceleb found a tweet from my least favorite eceleb saying something bad about my former favorite eceleb How is this on topic?
>>96556445Based. Warhammer is not for (You).
Trying out some poses for this kitbash. I think I'll do something like this. Maybe swap an arm for a sword or something. I'm thinking of making him a night lord so maybe the double claws arent too much? Gotta mull it over.
>>96556543This. The only ecelebs I care about are modelposters, and only when theyre posting models.
>>96556547looks like an angry midget
>>96556445Who gives a fuck >>>/pol/
>diggy diggy hole in space>complete and utter flop with zero fluff or fanon presenceHow did GW fuck up this badly?
Very new to playing, confused about a rule on LOS with ruin walls.If a canoptek doomstalker is wholly within a ruin terrain's footprint, and its model is physically taller than the ruin wall, can it see and shoot over the wall using line of sight even though it doesn't have towering?
>>96556552based take
>>96556579they made them too close to marines
>>96556579they need tracked vehicles, feels weird that their super heavy tank thing is on wheels
>>96556579I just don't see the appeal of Votann in any measure
How frowned upon would it be to play my painted army as another chapter? (i.e. iron hands)
>>96556558I believe the prefered term is piqued pocket prince
>>96556594not at all
>>96556552I'll post model, and after this you can stop caring about me.>>96556579if the range was literally just necromunda squats as a full army it would have done 1000x better
>sheet of cork glued to base and cut to size>Primed black>painted with a heavy coat of mordant earth>drybrushed a dark grey>yellow dashes painted down the middleIs that a complete base to a tourney organizer?
>>96556594Chapter specific rules don't exist anymore so who cares.
>>96556579I believe they didn't want to give them too much of an industrial aesthetic so as to not compete with the recently released GSC but that just made them look too much like marines as others have said.
Do you guys think Duncan and Louise get along? They're technically competitors but I'd like to see them do a collab one day.
>>96556594If you make it clear that you’re just doing it for fun, fine. Doing it to chase the meta though? You can fuck right off with that shit.
>>96556594So long as you're not using named characters or anything, no one you would want to play a game with would care. Most wouldn't even have a problem with that.
>>96556607Sugs sits on his face daily
>>96556601>the cutter priest has been paintedFucking awesome
>>96556617thanks anon. still doing touchups n stuff but I really like how he's coming along
>>96556607My favorite hobbytubers are Duncan, Sonicsledgehammer, and suggy.Even if Suggy is starting to resemble the average Youtuber now, but I think that's what happens when you try to make Youtube your job. At least they're painting Warhammer models.
>>96556607unironically fuck off with this eceleb bullshit you drama chasing retard
ok after trying nuln oil for the first time thanks to you guys does my guilliman look decentish/better now ? sorry it looked bad last night i was tired....
>>96556583Yeah, models without towering can see out of ruins normally
>>96556440that single neo did 1 damage to a terminator.I bet he got bullied back at base.
>>96556638Better yeah but I can't lie to you, it's still pretty rough
>>96556630Duncan is the reason I learned to paint without chunking my models.Louise is the reason I learned there's ways to paint models well besides 'eavy metal styles.You can fuck right off they deserve the praise.
>>96556445The idea that it was an intern behind the twitter post was always nothing but cope. But in the end, it doesn't even matter because they are here to stay.Still though, this guy is a moron and I do hope GW fires him because this is just awful and he is clearly awful as a person.
>>96556638It looks great on the table anon. Infinitely better than grey tide.
>>96556659Even if you agree with him or whatever, a community manager who continually gets himself and by extension the company into drama is doing a terrible job.
>>96556647does the back look better at least ? :(
Come to Chaos anons. Imperium sux
>>96556638It's not bad, for a new hobbyist's first set of models.(It's not great, but its an improvement over the earlier version. You'll get better over time so keep at it)
>>96556670nta but yes the back looks better than the front, I thought he looked better from the from yesterday. Shades are a bitch for newbies because we always overdo them when learning, you will get better with time and from tabletop he will look fine.
>>96556671false dichotomy
>>96556670Yeah actually, part of it might be the camera flash on the first picture, the white parts look a bit smeared and could use a more even coat.
>>96556638The only way to get better is to paint so keep it up
>>96556666I agree, he does do a terrible job.
>>96556682Front*
>>96556671I'm not allowed, Lost and the Dammed haven't had a codex in years. Only Space Marines, and I'm not a space marine.
>>96556700>Lost and the Dammed haven't had a codex in yearsIt's called codex: chaos space marines
Priestess cats?
>>96556671Loyalty is its own reward oh toilet of the dark gods.
>>96556707Might as well delete the Sisters and Guard, because we already have the Space Marines.
>>96556679>>96556682guilliman was so freaking difficult to paint because his armor has so many tiny micro details that feel so hard to get to. i think in the future ill buy guilliman again and paint him as I build him >>96556687here is the front without camera flash
>>96556718Sure, provided their profiles are then placed in codex: space marinesThe profiles for cultists and traitor guardsmen are found in codex: chaos space marines
>>96556711cringe
>>96556711abysmal
>>96555649Fair enough.Here's my Buri I completed last night.
>>96555649I may or may not work on my tau bases later this week. Debating keeping the crystal color specific to squad, or to just have fun and do whatever (ex. strike team 1 gets white/blue, stealth suits get purple)
Why is GW so fucking obsessed with Chaos anyways.
>>96556579They made them a brand new thing instead of keeping any of the squat aesthetic that people actually had nostalgia for.
>>96556772Because it's cool you minge
>>96556769why the pepsi gun?
>>96556772every setting needs an antagonist
>>96556772Things that are actually cool don't need to suckle off Space Marines and try so hard at the same time
>>96556607Honestly, yes.I think a lot of the bigger people that left are friends.Suggy was very sweet and genuine when I met her and Duncan really does love painting models and I don't see why they wouldnt get along
>>96556628Sledge is pretty comfy to watch and listen to. I've been genuinely interested in making his "marine juice" wash but sadly Army Painter isn't available in my country.
>>96556785No.
>>96556772gw isn'ta few blacked library authors are because the profession attracts the kind of mentally damaged manchildren with daddy issues that never actually grew past their angsty edgy teenage phase
>>96556772Aaron is and he's head of creativeYou do the math
>>96556801please don't share your fetish for interracial cuckold pornography with us, thanks.
>>96556785Bugs are the best antagonists a setting can have.
>>96556782The round bit on the Grappel launcher I used to make the volkite pistol (carbine?) reminded me of the Maliwan SMGs from Borderlands 1/2.
>>96556772I actually feel like GW has given way more focus to xenos over the past few years then chaos.Just compare the eldar refresh to any of the shit tier chaos releases of the past few years
>>96556801Isn't Vashtorr like in the Codices? You know the guy who can corrupt blanks because it hurt chaosfags feelings that there were tools that resisted chaos.
>>96556812...are you ok, buddy?
>>96556821Well Chaos isn't ever allowed to lose, you understand
i love it how youtube has finally gotten the message and started doing retro edition batlle reportscall me a shill all you want ive been wishing for this for half a decade, but now when they finally get started there is this members only bullshit and i cant watch any of it
How come only orks have dakkatism in the 42nd millenium?
>>96556827what else is blacked supposed to be referencing
>>96556304Are you: A) retarded, B) visually impaired, C) tasteless or D) all of the above.I think you are D) personally.
>>96556813Only when we are in perspective of the evil people
>anon itt tells me to get a kill team box to see if i would like 40k (havent played a war game b4)>check out warhammer store in town>the guy working tells me that is a terrible idea and the games use different rules >mfwanon if ur here why did you lie to me ? i trusted you :(
>>96556451Thanks to eldar discord/reddit fraud
>>96556821>Isn't Vashtorr like in the Codices?Yes, but if you ask gw he's just a cool weird aspiring god to better worldbuild 40k having cyberdemons and demon engineseverything else is the irrelevant circlejerk of a pair of authors that are unfortunately given leeway to put their revenge fantasies in the rulebooks
>>96556453Yep I was right you suck the D all right.Retarded, blind and tasteless. Triple threat fag.
>>96556829minisodes
>>96556847You can use kill team units in 40k and it's the cheapest way to play any version of the game, that's why people recommend it.
>>96556835the authors' own alignment, silly
>>96556860uh huh, sure, totally not projection on the posters part
>>96556847what did he then try to sell you
RETVRN
>>96556866Something four times as expensive no doubt
>>96556820Many of the core Tau units haven't been updated in over a decade, and the range is still severely lacking in options for auxiliaries. The update to kroot was great but other than vespids, which are a single unit, there's nothing.
>>96556878Good everything, but Kroot, Vespid, Nisscar and Humans should be squated
>>96556867I love how they couldn't even keep the gautlet design from gravis to nu terminator.
>>96556846It works regardless of what you pitch them against.>Bugs vs selfless heroes? evergreen epic of man defeating monsters>Bugs vs rotten protagonists? mirror or satire of people's flaws>Bugs vs other beasts? awesome documentary / kaiju movie You simply cannot go wrong with bugs.
>>96556867how does he use the sword
>>96556857If you like this garbage you should be worrying about your own taste first, faggot
>>96556410FTFY
im sure this is talked about all the time in these threads but why do you play the latest editionlore anons do their own thing but i bet they too have their favourite editions
>>96556864are you sure you aren't projecting the projection, pal?
>>96556889What about Bugs versus Chaos Demons with no likable or even sapient tagonists?
>>96556894>>96556410Are we stupid? Everything but Space Marines and Knights should go
>>96556894Sisters, Votann, and Black Templar ARE three of the mapt problematic factions so that might be for the best.
>>96556900>Bugs vs other beasts? awesome documentary / kaiju movie
>>96556890Very carefully
Uh oh the general janitor didnt like the Warhammer community guy being evil
>>96556903You can keep Chaos Space Marines, AdMech, Custodes, and Imperial Guard too. Call it Home Is Heresy.
>>96556889Why are the bugs mentally animals?
>>96556916>how dare he delete my off topic ragebait!! literally 1984!!
>>96556813tyranids are fucking boring, there's a reason why they never get the spotlight for long
>>96556932Tyranids aren't bugs they have 0 bug like qualities.
>>96556859what kill team boxes have terrain and two armies? my friend gave me this one with all but 1 of the tau in it (my gf has all the sisters of battle) or is this box unique in that its an all in one with terrain + 2 kill teams. i didnt see any like it for sale on the warhammer official site, just individual kill teams .....>>96556866nothing. i just got some red pain + nuln oil
>>96556897You have no idea how hard it is to convince someone to play a different edition/ruleset.You would think a hobby that requires quite a large number of long hours and fat cash poured into the careful building of an army would select for a kind of people suitable to spend a few hours learning a different ruleset from time to time.But people can barely be arsed to read the one rulebook of the edition they got in years ago, let alone check a different ruleset.People play the current edition, at any point, simply and exclusively because it's the one you can find players for.
name one reason why the deity legions shouldn't be able to use these units among others
>>96556944No reason. The Deity Legions shouldn't be in their own codices at all though.
>>96556944the rubric
>>96556900it's kaiju fight or mirror into flaws (personified by demons) all the sameshadowbrink was pretty fun
>>96556451Mike Brooks glazers are just that delusionalbook was fucking boring, it's honestly impressive how you can take bdsm elf lesbianism and make it boring but Mike Brooks sure can
>>96556939well he fucking sucks at his job>>96556939Tomb World was the most recent, but is already sold out. maybe your LGS has one, but the guy not upselling you means they probably don't. Ask about preordering the next AIO box
>>96556944Thousand sons can’t have a shred of personality onto them.
>>96556928Is it really off topic when it is concerning a guy at GW?
>>96555844>Still find weird they made it an inside job now.What do you mean?
>>96556965yes
>>96556939They do occasionally release boxes that have two kill teams and terrain, they're limited stock items that they don't make very many of. The most recent one was Deathwatch vs. Necrons and sold out within minutes.
>>96556878Tau will unironically be the 11th edition antagonist vs spess marines as part of the whole new expansion sphere attacking ultramar storyline.
>>96556969Okay then
Speaking of Grey Knights Do you think their range refresh will be at the end of 10th or at the start of 11th?>inb4 "never lol"
>>96556971Tau aren't evil enough and cannot be antagonists compared to any other faction in the game.
>>96556971It's all but confirmed to be orks at this point so I highly doubt it. Tau are also not an easily identifiable 'bad guy' faction, which they usually prefer for launch boxes.
>>96556971Tau are too boring for that
>>96556956>>965569641ksons has access to helbrutes, sorcerer lords, and daemon princes they can make up a reason why they have these
>>96556977No one is getting a range refresh at the end of 10th. That's not how this works. Big model range expansions come with codexes to push sales and everyone already has theirs now. If they have one coming, it will be an 11th edition. It will not be in the first year but it may be in the second.
>>96556984>2nd most popular army for years
>>96556977They’re getting squatted
>>96556980Has any source other than Valrak commented at all on knowing that it is orks coming? I mean it seems obvious that it would be, but I just want to know if we have a secondary confirmation.
>>96556978every faction in the game are evil
>>96556989Grim if true. Anyways doesn’t contradict what I said.
>>96556996mine aren't
>>96556978You don’t have to be evil to act as an antagonist anon.
>>96556989Tao have never been the second most popular Army so long as both Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines have existed. They have been in the top five fairly regularly though until necrons and tyranids bumped them down with their huge recent jumps in popularity
>>96556944Because without conversions these don't match the aesthetics of most of the god legions and the current game design philosophy is to make the codexes as cohesive and without the need of conversions.A proper game designer would pick and choose a few of the undivided units that can fit into the other legions on an individual basis, for example world eaters and emperor children don't actually diverge that much and could reasonably cross pollinate more units.But there's the extra wall of gw wanting the ranges to be as separate as possible eventually, with only minor compromises allowed at the moment.Frankly the god legions should be supplements, not separate armies altogether.
>>96556986Those things aren’t the same as rubrics.
>>96556978This guy never passed fourth grade English and never learned what an antagonist is
>>96556944Because GW doesn't like mixing armies.
>>96556847Thats because the 40k store guy wants to sell you a bigger, more expensive box.The rules ARE different, but a killteambox gets you a nice small unit with lots of customization and personality, which you can use IN 40k
>>96556964>only csm that don't look like they were designed by an angsty teenager>no personality
>>96556893but this is sovl, tastelet-kun
>>96556978...so Starship Troopers is very popular movie where...
>>96556922Because properly writing an extragalactic hive mind is beyond the scope of the average genre writer, humanising them robs them of their alien factor and the role as perfect enemy/mirror, and because making them seem animalistic is a good enough approximation for what people at their level can reasonably perceive or comprehend.
>>96556996I didn't say they weren't evil. I said they weren't evil enough.
Anyone got any tips for a good dark blue for night lords?
>>96557033Yes anon, the edge is what gives them personality. The same can’t be said for thousand sons.
>>96556944all Chaos armies should be in the same book called Chaos Undivided >CSM>Thousand Sons>Death Guard>World Eaters>Emperor's Children>Chaos Daemons>Chaos Knights>Dark Mechanicum (eventually)>Renegades and Hereticsand be able to soup like there's no tomorrow
>>96556941i take it you had no success convincing the group to take a dive into older editions, btw how old are you anon >People play the current edition, at any point, simply and exclusively because it's the one you can find players for.i keep hearing this alot but its about even on people complaining about how the current edition is shit so how does this compute
>>96556944lets say you're a chaos marines fan who also always liked thousand sonsperhaps you have a full army of chaos marines with a pair of units of rubrics then suddenly gw makes a whole army for thousand sons, you are their intended target customerif they make the pre-existing chaos marines a compatible part of this new army you most likely will not buy a whole new 2000pts of troops, perhaps you'll use 500 or 1000pts of your already existing collection and buy less of the new stuffif they make the new army completely separate from the old models, down to the (meta) equipment of the updated units, then you'll probably cave in and buy 2000pts of the new products to add to your preexisting collection
>>96557054if you want my preferred dark blue>2x coats of stormfiend>1x coat of tyran blue shade Then I usually highlight with kantor/teclis/lothern/white but you dont have to follow my highlighting style. If you wanna just edge highlight nicely try kantor/teclis maybe lothern for corners/spots
>>96557054literally Night Lords blue. Aloitic Blue for highlightsYes, it's a very dark blue, but Kantor Blue (the main alternative) just doesn't make them look like Night Lords. Their blue is very distinctive
>>96557038>extragalactic hive mindSorry I thought were were talking about bugs generally. It's such a dumb nickname for them
>>96557016why does every space marine army get to be blended but not chaos space marines?
>>96557033>only csm that weren't designed by an angsty teenager and that's the PROBLEM
>>96556978The Tau are literally the fascists of the setting.
>>96557067>i keep hearing this alot but its about even on people complaining about how the current edition is shit so how does this computeWhich is more popular anon, your local burger joint, or some box fast food corporation. Now which one is better?
>>96556222>ignore [thing X]>people become increasingly disinterested in [thing X]>lavish attention and favoritism on [thing Y]>people become increasingly interested in [thing Y]Incredible!inb4:>Oh sure, so you're saying-No. [Thing Y] might be more inherently appealing than [thing X], but if you are going to have [thing X], then it should be cultivated.>Maybe they should get rid of [X] instead!Maybe, or maybe the presence of [X] is beneficial in the big picture. With no [X] (and [Z] or [Q]), even [Y] might suffer.
>>96557070impressive highlighting anon, good job
>>96557084NUH UH! I've defined fascism as rascist, so they can't be fascist!!I'm definitely not politically motivated.
>>96557067old enough >so how does this computewhining about the problems is much easier and thus more popular than trying solutions to the problemsthe solution to my situation is finding a better group of players
>>96557092Thanks. Its really fun to see it all coming together, but it is somewhat time-consuming.
>>96557084No. Word of God said NatoOnly the Imperium was described by WoG as fash
>want to kitbash another LT>look at LT models>they are all boring or doing that stupid super wide stance garbage>I'll just use a bladeguard body>they are all using that stupid wide stance poseThe fuck. No one stands like that
>>965570681ksons doesn't have enough units to make a respectable 1ksons army without either spamming rubrics, getting magnus, using AoS units, or using the stuff they do share with CSM to get to 2k pts the chaos legions are all lacking in options, and GW doesn't seem interested in filling those holes anytime soon from what we've seen in the last year if they're not gonna fill those holes, just give me the option to use something that will. its essentially the only reason why 1ksons has the helbrute despite it not fitting with their aesthetic or themes at all
>>96557108What if G__ said the Ultramarines were orange
>>96557084>>96556978They and the IoM both fascist systems?And technically also totalitarian theocracies.Tau just have a better quality of life so the boot on your throat feels a bit lighter.Even the most "pleasant" org body, the Farsight Enclaves, are still a Military dictatorship. Just that they tried to remove the religious structure out of the Tau system.
>>96557108The authors don’t get to decide what fascism is.
>>96557112>No one stands like thatYou would if you had poorly designed armor with boots as thick as your waist
>What did you say about the emperor?
>2 factions this general shits on the most happen to be my armies
>>96557106tell me about it, just finished my kill teamchaos trim is also a bitch and a half
>>96557120>the Farsight Enclaves, are still a Military dictatorshipThey are a democracy
>>96557114>1ksons doesn't have enough units to make a respectable 1ksons army without [buying more of the products gw wants you to buy]The game is not a product for the customers, the customer is a product for the stakeholders.
>>96557084They literally aren't. They literally aren't any real-world society/system.>>96557108The Imperium also isn't fascist. "Fascist" ≠ "authoritarianism I dislike"
>>96557120The Imperium isn’t fascist, it’s not centralized enough to be fascist. It’s just feudalist.
>>96557134Do you play Guard and Votann at the same time?
I've got a question that might seem kinda dumb but I don't wanna get fucked by GW.Are bases the same size they say they are? Say I want to get some bases at the right base size for some flying bases. GW says the bases are 30mm for small flying bases and 55 for large flying bases.I've heard all kind of shit on the actual size - 28 or 30 or 32 for the small and 55/60/65mm for the large.I'm trying to get some magnetic sheets to put under my flight stands to magnetize them but GW can't even be consistent with base sizes (and search engine AI slop forcing misinfo forward isn't helping).What is the actual real size of these bases?
>>96557149The Tau are a centralized, corporatist, totalitarian, imperialist empire. They are most certainly fascist.
>>96557074trans!?!??!?!!??!?!
>>96557123>I'm just saying he most definitely tried gay sex in his long life.
>fascism discussion againFuck off this is like the 5th time in 2 days
>>96557091People forget Dark Eldar sold like hot cakes immediately after the 5e range refresh and literally could not be found on store shelves for almost half a year they were so backlogged on orders for them.
>>96557149Fascism>"An ultranationalist political ideology.">"characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived interest of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy."C'mon, I like to shit on GW as much as the next guy but the IoM is absolutely facist
>>96557121Anon, as much as I want to agree with you, Gav Thorpe worked on the Tau's debutting codex. And so did Graham McNeill, alongside Andy Chambers.
>>96557137Or like a Military Junta? It's been a while since I've read up on 'em.>>96557150Oh that's fair
>>96557141its not like the CSM units are free and the ones i posted aren't even that old
>>96557084They more like if you mixed of Confucian and Maoist Chinese philosophy together, but with railguns.
>>96557149(cont.)>>96557120Yes, the Tau dominion and Imperium are both totalitarian, although the Imperium is too variegated and decentralized; many Imperial subjects live in non-totalitarian societies, even if the Imperium as a who is totalitarian. I don't think the Tau dominion can be characterized as theocratic.
>>96557154I assumed he meant some kind of Eldar and Knights. Or maybe Space Wolves. Those have to be up there too.
>>96557184the more cross compatibility the less units you need to play multiple armiesgw wants you to buy multiple armies
>tfw play Iron Hands and Drukhari and the ultramarine business pisses me off on both frontsIt's an odd feeling
The Tau will answer for their crimes in Germany in ten days time.
>>96557175Fascism has to be centralized in authority to be fascism. The imperium is far too decentralized to be fascist.
>>96557070>>96557071Thanks I'll try out both
>>96557177Okay, and? That still doesn’t change anything. If you describe a fascist state, and then say “they aren’t fascist”, you’re just wrong, even if you invented the faction. It just shows they don’t know what fascism is.
>>96557175They're more of a feudal theocracy really.
>>96557135>chaos trim is also a bitch and a halfnta but as some point I started to find painting it relaxing
>>96557175>centralized autocracyThe Imperium does not fit the bill
>>96557084technically the tau are not presented as maintaining their government by force but by convincing everyone else theirs is the best form of governance, it's an ideal democracy the problem is that the ideal is not actually real, so under the façade they're absolutely fascists, but nominally they aren't
>>96557175>Imperium>Centralized autocracyTHAT Byzantine mess? Not even close.
>>96557251>the tau are not presented as maintaining their government by forceWhat are they doing in a wargame then, tardo
>>96557189>I don't think the Tau dominion can be characterized as theocratic.I just mentally rolled the caste system and 'for the greater good' stuff into something akin to a buddhist theocracy. I feel like their non-religious- religion and rigid culture are pretty interjoined.
you know how the first 4 books of horus heresy series are the most importanthave they retconned anything since or is it all still canon
>>96557164Imperialism is not a defining feature of fascism, and fascism requires autocratic rule, which is not the case with the Ethereals.>>96557175>copy+pasting WikipediaThe IoM is way too decentralized, has conflicting bodies of power, and is dubiously nationalistic (nationalism isn't just "Yay home team!"). The IoM also has no special affinity with actualist philosophy, which is foundational for fascist thought. This isn't a value judgement about GW or the IoM or anything like that. The IoM shares features with fascism, but so could many social orders.
>>96557265Imperial citizens are allowed to keep their religion. Allowing a plurality of religion does not sound theocratic to me.
>>96557251Fascism lays claim to its own “unique” form of “democracy” as well.
>>96557264defending themselves, exporting democracy and liberating philistines.
>>96557271The first 4 books are pure kino. I hope they become movies or a series at some point.
>>96557283touche
>>96557265Yeah, "The Greater Good" is a secular philosophy. The Tau castes are modeled after Hindu Varna (not castes, which is a separate, more numerous thing), which isn't a feature of Buddhism (it rejects Brahmin/Kshatriya/Vishya/Shudra).
>>96557276Not necessarily, you can have a fascist oligarchy too like the Grand Council of Fascism in Italy. Also, imperialism is a part, though not in the sense of needing direct annexation.
>>96557173It is not surprising considering what's going on right now. It'll either go away or get way worse in a week or two.
>>96555756Fucking B A S E D
>>96557224>They are fascists>One of their makers literally says they are based on NATO>N-Nuh uh, I see them as fascists therefore they are like fascistsJust as bad as the people that call them commies
>>96557340>One of their makers literally says they are based on NATOWhat if George Lucas said the Death Star was orange? What color would the Death Star be?
>>96557295You're mistaking the idea of having a government with the interests and theoretical support of the people with democracy.In actual democracy the people or their elected representatives have active role in selecting and maintaining the government.While fascism would reach power or maintain power by force, regardless of whether a democratic election would approve or not.To keep the tau in focus, they absolute do have elected officials taking votes over the maintenance of the current direction, it just happens that they always agree the tau and the ethereals in particular should be in charge :^)
>>96556607Sugs is cute, post that pic where you can see her nipples through her shirt. I want to lick her funky teeth.
>>96557073>>96556944GW understands that the average loyalist space marine player is an utter paypig that will buy the same marine army multiple times over, with one painted red and another painted blue. Not only that, they'll even do it twice over, replacing their multiple-of-the-same armies with primaris units.CSM players, being naturally inclined towards a contrarian and rebellious mindset, are far more likely to take advantage of shared units to make a single collection that can pivot into multiple armies. GW is obviously extremely opposed to that, as they want you to buy multiple entire armies.
>>96557299>I hope they become movies or a series at some point.too late i think now the only option is the hollywood route, look what they did to fallouti mean you cannot make warhammer into a bigger joke if you tried in this era because youtube was killed
>>96557347That's a fallacy. He didn't say that.The T'au Empire, on the other hand, is consistently portrayed as soft power and interventionism of the Western Powers, married with Blue Man Burden in the Grimdark 40K.
>>96557363Fallout was very popular.
>>96557372>Hypotheticals are a fallacy
>>96557340>One of their makers literally says they are based on NATOThey said their sanitized language is NATO. The way of calling "battle suits" "crisis suits" and giving their forces very neutral names like "contact detachment" rather then "kill team". Stuff that sounds about as exciting as "synergy" and "team building" in a powerpoint presentation.
>>96557360>CSM players, being naturally inclined towards a contrarian and rebellious mindsetlol no, it's not that, it's that marines sell so much they can afford having people use their units cross armies.while if they gave the same liberty to chaosfags they would buy even less than dark eldarfags.
>>96557372>>96557340NATO are fascists, retard.
>>96557374I truly don't understand how they thought this scene was alright.It's like making a joke but forgetting the punchline, sure, some people can imagine one, like a reference to awful luck in aiming or whatnot, but at face value it's just ridiculous for the wrong reason.
>>96557388Fuck off back to /pol/, Ivan
>>96557388Found the ruski.
>>96557374everything fringe,weird and nerdy is now populardoesnt mean its good
>>96557347>Using a poorly thought Star War comparison to counter my argument.>>96557409>>96557408You fuckers were faster than me, I was gonna call him Ivan lmao
>>96557386As a whole NATO.How the T'au wage war and justify it is identical to the US, NATO, and Israel, particularly in wars like Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia, andGaza
>>96557311Fair point. I wouldn't characterize the Grand Council as an oligarchic body, but as a component of the government (so yes, Italy was not 100% pure, only-one-man-has-all the-power autocracy). This is still a big difference from the Ethereal Caste; there is no Tau Mussolini.Imperialism is definitely not discouraged, but you could have a state which meets the full criteria of fascism without having Imperial possessions.
>>96557423>>96557409>>96557408Being fascist is a good thing, retards.
>>96557401>I truly don't understand how they thought this scene was alright.It got them their money back. It was alright, if you are the very hyper capitalists the show "lampooned". >>96557414Yes the point of the .webm was definitely to show off how good the show was. You are so socially literate.
>>96557436Erm what the sigma?
>>96557436Dimitri, you is drunk. You meant to be soviet. You meant to worship Stalin and praise Communism.
>>96557436Chudcel
>>96557388>I dislike [thing]>thing is therefore fascismNATO is a monster, but it is by no means fascistic.
>>96557435>Tau MussoliniFor a time during WWII there was no Italian Mussolini
>>96557449>I forgot to remove the pic anon >>96557426 already postedI'm such a retard lmao. I apologize, Dragovich
>>96557426>only reference to NATO is "NATO-style innocuous three-letter-acronyms formations, like Mobilised Hunter Cadre, Dispersed Retalitation Cadre" etc.
>>96557467You aren't supposed to read his quotes they are only there to give him an air of authority.
I'm considering buying my friends large centrepiece recasts that they'd never buy from forge world themselves because of the cost (and because they are always out of stock)How would you feel if your friend did that for you? Annoyed at the obligation to build and paint a giant model? Happy for the cool centrepiece?
>>96557174It really is impressive, isn't it?>nonono, none of that matters! Appeal and demand are totally independent of what a company does!
>>96557360i can't even buy a full army for my chaos marines though
>>96557265>>96557283The ethereals are essentially a priestly caste. And they are in charge. The tolerance or non-tolerance of other religions is irrelevant. It's a theocracy. And if letting the humans keep praying to the emperor, while obeying them works, it still serves the greater good. It's not as if slow conversion over a longer term wasn't an option.
>>96557457A collapsing state in full damage-control mode isn't quite the fairest representation of state ideology.
>>96557478>a priestly caste>other religions is irrelevantWe must fundamentally disagree on what a priest is then.
>>96556579>take squats>strip them of aesthetics and identityit's cringe, I would have taken the tricycle biker dwarfs over this vootan shit
>>96557478Let me open the Shadowsun novel limited edition afterword page.Hmmm...it says that the T'au are incompatible with religion. They have faith in themselves (aka confidence), but they are not religious people. They are secular and reason-driven.
The eternal AP bloat > famine > bloat is caused by cover giving +1 to save. Marines saving AP 0 on a 2 is the sole reason AP 0 troops are never viable. I think cover should give you -1 to hit instead. +1 to hit shooting bonuses being a more scarce would make this a good change. Factions like Tau that rely on the +1 for their shooting units should move up a BS. Same for Orks but only restricted to their Dakka focused units like Flash Gitz and Lootas.
>>96557440warhammer is already so watered down they might as well give it the good old serialization reach around i mean seriously who would even care at this point, ive seen anons under 20 looking forward to warhammer movie/tv for years just because its therethey just want more of the thing even if they dont even play
>>96557472No need to make it a gift, ask them if they want one, tell them the price the recaster sets for it.If they don't actually want to bother with resin, they will tell you no.Note, if they tell you no because of some other reason, like not wanting to spend the money, don't get it for them, the money thing is first ant foremost an excuse to say no.
>>96557467>Analog to the west
>>96556467>Where did you find this image https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/84bewmql/black-library-book-of-the-year-the-results-are-in/black library themselves do a "book of the year" celebration, last one was in March>and how is reddit reacting to it?no idea, but I assume butthurt over marines and guard taking the top spots, most likely seething over elemental council or age of shitmar books not being on top
>>96557503>Who wouldn't even careMe. The enshitification must not be enshrined.
>>96557513Which is different from NATO.
>look inside thread>same two retards circlejerking over the definition of fascism for the 50th time this weekwe need new jannies badly
New custodes models when?
>>96557542Never, hopefully.
>>96557528NATO is the West. A collective of Western Powers.
>>96557508It was going to be for Christmas, the surprise part of the fun.You're probably right though
>>96557542Soon, hopefully.
>>96557546You don't want plastic dreadnoughts and tanks? Or new hqs or weapon options for 30k?
>>96557516apparently there is no nostalgia that cannot be monetizedi miss emperor text to speech
>>96557548>Turkey a middle EASTERN shithole is a western nation
>>96557559They belong ensconced back in the Imperial Palace, as a bit of setting backdrop. Not everything needs to be in front of the camera (especially a force that is supposed to be super-tiny and rare in-setting, but which is commonplace on the tabletop).Also, they appeal to the worst sentiment among players*.>what about Knights?Knights are a meme, not an army. Not even worth consideration.*not necessarily you, anon!
>>96556944Top right models are cool
>>96557562Yes. A part of it is in Europe.
>>96557542>New custodes models when?They should do the tanks and dreads in plastic. Leave everything else as it is.
>>96557592Part of Russia is in Europe. Is Russia Western?
>>96557542Christmas, for horus heresy.
>>96557588I just wanted an elite army that doesn't take up too much space.Your complaint about them being frequently encountered is an odd one, that just means they're popular.The cats out of the bag now, but I think they would have been better as an imperial agent style allied unit to an imperial force, like guard accompanied by a handful or even 1 custodian, but stronger and more costly than the current stat sheet
>>96557594I'd be fine with that. Though some more weapon options, claws for example, could be cool.
>>96557588>especially a force that is supposed to be super-tinyThere are ten times as many Custodese as there are Ultramarines though. Seems silly to focus your rage on Custodese when Ultramarines keep showing up not just on the table, but in lore too,
>>96557608Boooring, post models or shut up
>>96557594No, they'll instead redo the infantry, terminators and bikes with the sole purpose of making them slightly taller, removing details and replacing weapon options for female heads for each and every model.
>>96557548>doesn't even include all European nor North American countries>has partners from Africa to AsiaI guess on a globe everything is west from something else.
>>96556986Tsons hellbrutes come from other legions. Sorceror lords and daemon princes arent affected. You dont know what the rubric is, do you?
>>96557611>There are ten times as many Custodese as there are Ultramarines thoughThat's just the kid in the playground one upping their dudes, what he says is irrelevant because dumb.
>>96557624The West is defined by its ideals and values more than its geolocation.
>>96557622KekI know this would be such a retarded thing to do and they'd sell so few (nobody but a handful of Reddit trannies would buy)But I know they still might do itLook at how they fucked dark eldar
>>96557548you guys should really get new scripts at this point, you're way too easy to spot
>>96557634The west is white people
>>96557630What? How is it dumb? 1,000 people isn't enough to defend something as grand as the capital building of the capital city of the capital planet of an empire that controls 50-99% of the galaxy.
>>96557634>Turkey and Balkans hold more western ideals and values than Austria and Switzerland
>>96557638but i'm a troon and i wouldn't buy that?
Warhammer 40k?
>>96557656>>96557646
>>96557654Just goes to show how retarded it would be, but they might still do itAlso, ywnbaw
>>9655765640,000 Warhammers?
>>96557646>1,000 people isn't enoughThat's why terra has way more than just them to defend the palace.Making them arbitrarily enough.In the same way how space marine chapters are perfectly fine with being just a 1000 guys because they never really act alone either, the ultramarines' descendants for example make up 75% of all successors, they can do a few calls and it will look like they're deploying 10 thousands ultramarines while in truth it's just 1000 ultras and 9 other chapters of not!ultramarines
>>96557601>I just wanted an elite army that doesn't take up too much space.I get that. (Unfortunately, almost everyone wants "an elite army." The word loses its meaning)>Your complaint about them being frequently encountered is an odd one, that just means they're popular.The tabletop experience should at least *attempt* to simulate the setting. That doesn't mean 90% of Chaos armies need to be pure cultists, or that Imperial Guard players need to be 90% of IoM forces... but just an attempt in the direction.>The cats out of the bag now, but I think they would have been better as an imperial agent style allied unit to an imperial force, like guard accompanied by a handful or even 1 custodian, but stronger and more costly than the current stat sheetThis could be acceptable. I'd go for units of maybe 3-6. The current stats aren't wrong for the tabletop, the game is just too skewed against infantry. (though it'd still compromise their mystique. Not everything needs exposition; its better to keep some stuff behind the curtain)>>96557611An even bigger problem. In a better world, individual Marine chapters would receive maybe a single unique unit and HQ dude.
>>96557648Balkans maybe. Turkey? Not a chance.
>>96557634Sort of, but no.>>96557645Yes, but no.
>>96557675Gotta collect 'em all.
>>96557271Sanguinius doesn't have black hair like the first book says, Custodes are not Astartes like the first book says. That's about it.
>>96557656What's that? Sounds cool and something I wish people would talk more about.
>>96557679Why wouldn't the thing your society relies on to function be guarded by the absolute best of the best?No Ultramarines get by just fine because Space Marines are never actually portrayed as being 1000 strong. They always take up the space and roll of a 50,000 man division on the frontline
>>96557695Was*Also why it's increasingly shitty and more dangerous
>>96557701Wasnt the black hair part of his mourning ritual or some shit
>>96557717He died his hair...?
>>96557707>Why wouldn't the thing your society relies on to function be guarded by the absolute best of the best?Because you can't make that best of the best at absurd scales and because conventional numbers, plus that superelite best of the best of the best, plus some titans, plus a fleet, plus emplaced defence networks, work way better than some extra tall dudes in rich armour.
>>96557646>What? How is it dumb? 1,000 people isn't enough to defend something as grand as the capital building of the capital city of the capital planet of an empire that controls 50-99% of the galaxy.1 million worlds is more like 0.1% of the galaxy
>>96557721Yeah iirc it was because he was sad about his sons dying on the spider planet or something
>>96557722Don't belittle the armour, mortal
>>96557726Most of the Galaxy is empty space.
>>96557730Kek"I sent my legion to a planet named murder and they died :("
>>96557734I WILL belittle the armor and you cannot stop me.
>>96557701>Custodes are not Astartes like the first book sayswait what and why
>>96557737Still has 400 billion stars and many times more planets
>>96557722>Because you can't make that best of the best at absurd scales and because conventional numbersImperium can.The average hive city contains anywhere between 10 billion and 100 billion humans within it.If we go with 100 billion, just conscripting 0,5% of people just to shove them into a marine training program, that's still like 500 million people.
>>96557738To be fair they named it murder after the BA died
>>96557743There's a throwaway sentence in Horus Rising that mentions an "Astartes in Custodes armour" in the Primarch meeting scene.
>>96557745Most of those planets are Neptune or Uranus clones, or at best Luna Clones. Completely unable to support complexe life.
>>96557748No, it can't, the number of aspirants isn't the limiting factor.The infrastructure necessary to maintain them operational is, the availability of the geneseed is, the game of intercine politics that prevents certain wings of the imperium from growing too much is.
The million worlds bit about the Imperium is intentionally low, Imperial held worlds are supposed to be rare places of dim light in the darkness between the stars.
>>96557743"The master bodyguard, a massive astartes in gold custodes armour read the wafer quickly, nodded and opened the doors."
>>96557758How do you know? 99% of the Milky Way is unexplored by the Imperium.
>>96557722>Because you can't make that best of the best at absurd scalesScale doesn't matter? It's a building that if destroyed or snuck into by the wrong person causes the 10 millennia old, galaxy spanning Empire to instantly explode. It is the most important thing imaginable, you can't just shove an IG unit out front and call it a day.
>>96557764It wasn't when they decided the number, the writers genuinely didn't understand the scale of the milky way galaxy and thought one million worlds was a lot.
>>96557714No, I mean the West is hu-wite people, but not all hu-wite people are the West. It's a subset. And not biological.
>>96557771Yeah but it's explored by us well enough to get a sample size. There is one Earth, and several thousand Neptunes for every Earth there is.
>/40kg/ spends 400 posts debating the definition of fascism againmake it stop
>>96557772>you can't just shove an IG unit out front and call it a day.Yes, you can, on top of a marine chapter, titan forces, an imperial fleet, various defences and other armed forces.it's what they did before some fuckwit thought adding 9 thousand dudes painted gold makes shit more believable.
>spend marines from three legions on bugfuck death planet>millions of billions of imperial coinage of time and manpower>get absolutely nothing out of it besides a bunch of dead marinesGuys I think the great crusade was maybe a little stupid at times
>>96557758>>96557777There is something that you didn't account for.The Old Ones, since before the star of Sol came into being, have been terraforming the galaxy and creating countless ecosystems and species.
>>96557792>at times
>>96557788Why would you not have 10,000 demi-gods and all the other things.>>it's what they did before some fuckwit thought adding 9 thousand dudes painted gold makes shit more believable.Custodese are from Rouge Trader or 1st edition if you would rather
>>96557792I mean it did mostly work
>>96557792It did lead to them finding the interex though. It could have lead to something hecking wholesome but a guy had to steal a sword and ruin it.
>>96557795Well yeah they might have seeded about 1 or 2 million worlds in the Milkyway. Not enough for us to notice anyhow.
>>96557773>The galaxy contains some four hundred thousand million stars of various types. Of these only a fraction are presumed to have habitable planetary systems, and only a fraction of these have been investigated. Most are situated within the spiral arms between ten and forty thousand light years from the galactic center.>The very size of the galaxy means that, despite the use of faster than light warp drives, most of it remains unknown. Even the human controlled lmperium. by far the largest and most widely distributed of all stellar empires, contains only a tiny fraction of the galaxy‘s stars. New worlds are constantly being discovered and investigated, along. with their attendant civilizations, creatures and resources. Even so. there is no possibility of either humans or aliens exhausting the galaxy's potential to provide new worlds for habitation and exploitation.Warhammer 40,000 Rogue Trader (1987)>As powerful as it is. the lmperium does not rule the entire galaxy. Mankind's worlds are spread thin across the 200.000.000.000 stars that make up the galaxy. withim the lmperium's vague borders are rebellious enclaves of human worlds. domains ruled over by alien war leaders. colonies of creatures too aloof or basic to disturb mankind or draw the attention of the war fleets. The lmperium is engulfed in a constant state of war. Sometimes simply continuing its wars of expansion, other times fighting against foes who threaten the survival of the entire human race.Warhammer 40,000 3rd edition rulebook (1998)Etc etcThey knew the scale, being sparsely explored is the point
>>96557763That plus the trials plus the gene-seed implantation mortality rate.
>>96557803>Why would you not have 10,000 demi-gods and all the other things.For the same reason you wouldn't have 10 trillions.You can't.>but the fluff saysthe fluff is a dumb retcon, what I'm telling you is that the setting worked fine before they decided to ramp the numbers of custodes and this ramp up in numbers is thus both unnecessary and devaluing
>>96557818Idk why they think Ramping up the Custodes is a good idea when they are the laughingstock of the Imperium factions
Horus rising is peak. That is all.
>>96557818Why can't you have 10,000 demigods? That seems like a reasonable number. Do you understand how small 10,000 is? The Army of Luxembourg is 1,000 strong, and Luxembourg is small, you could bike across the entire country. Now consider the fact we consider Luxembourg small when we are a single planet species, imagine if there were a million worlds many more densely populated than Earth, and then you tried to convince somebody that Luxembourg's army is big. That's you
>>96557838dunno, ask /hhg/
>>96557810>four hundred thousand millionWhat the fuck? Are they retarded? Why wouldn't they just write four hundred billion?
so is /40kg/ basically just a thread about the lore these days
>>96557847Can you explain to me why there are words besides the rules in all indices and codices dating back to Rouge Trader?
>>96557844It was a different time...
>>96557847No, we also get metathread shitposting quite often. Oh and occasional models
sublime thread. 10/10
>>96557841>Why can't you have 10,000 demigods?Because the setting already established marine chapters in much smaller scales.If you have 10k demigods and only 1000 grey knights or ultramarines, then you're telling me the demigods are less elite.10k custodes is in any case still absurdly small for the scale of the imperial palace and the threats they would theoretically face, might as well stop trying and failing to make things more verosimilar and instead keep them internally consistent.
>>96557847Half of the thread don’t play games
>>96557865We get a lot of models but many of them are reposts lately.
>>96557865My anti-GW, anti-nu40k shitposting is consistently on-topic.
>>96557844longer sounds bigger
>>96557876I haven't been painting 40k lately so I don't have anything new unfortunately
>>96557916I don’t want to see it anyway sallyfag/ vottard
>>96557873Yeah there should be substantially more members in Space Marine Chapter. Did you not hear me, I said 1,000 Space Marines is retarded, always has been retarded, is currently retarded and always will be retarded. I've never seen anybody treat 1,000 space marines like 1,000 space marines. 1,000 men can't siege a fucking hive city.
>>96557876I've just been building stuff. I'll get something painted for the collage soon I promise.
>>96557916i did a thing
>the duality of tyranid posts online
>>96557933Very cool
>>96557923swing and a miss, fag
>>96557625so why can't all the other guys from other legions?
>>96557925>Yeah there should be substantially more members in Space Marine ChapterBut there aren't, and there won't be, so better ignore the pointless retcon of custodes and keep them consistent with the small numbers of marines.
>>96557949I mean again actions speak louder than words. I have never read a story where an entire Space Marine Chapter shows up and it's anything close to reasonable for an Army the size of Luxembourgs to be able to do.
>>96556847Kill team is useful to see if you like miniature tabletop gaming at all, not 40k specifically. The rules are absolutely different.
>>96557953Your delusions don't matter, the chapters are 1000 marines and they achieve what they achieve regardless of the seemingly minuscule numbers.how? incredible heroics, surgical actions and coordinations with other much more numerous forces.
>>96557962The incredible power to take up more space that physically possible. A space marine is bigger than a person sure but to siege a hive city... what if I just walked around them?
>>96557492>>strip them of aesthetics and identityImperium lite?
>>96557940got that one too covered as well
>>96557492>an army of thatMy sympathy for the Destinyfags rises every time I see aesthetics far less suited to making an army than what newfags shill. I would gladly take their Destiny NASA themed army because at least it would be a more original aesthetic than one or two Necromunda units vaguely LARPing miners in a game that has GSC or being another Imperium army in a game that's already 99% Space Marine.
>>96557933Oh fuck yes. These guys are sweet
>>96557984What duality? Soul and soul
>>96557947No reason. Tsons are special in their inability to use them.
>>96557972>what if I just walked around them?then you get fast squads after you or cordons made with other imperial forces.
>>96557940Man I havent painted my tyranids in over a year. I wonder if I should try to make them a bit more "spicy" once I get to them or to keep the same simplistic style i had going back then.
>>96557976That's their intended purpose - human faction for "people" who get the ick from imperium.
>>96558000>>96558007thank you anon
>>96558038Actually I think there used to be an army for this. Lost Dam Builders I think?
>Why yes, I want an army of miners. How did you know?
I am a marinefag who is currently upset that there exist armies besides imperium. I am also upset that there are armies in the imperium that aren't space marines. I am upset that anything besides space marines exist.
>>96558058I remember when this meme was birthed. Everything was so much more funny back then.
>>96558058What if instead half of them have nordic runes inlaid everywhere for no reason?
>>96555592what're everyone's favorite fan primarch ideas? Likely, unlikely, anything like that. I used ChatGPT (on duck.ai) to flesh out and organize some of the ideas I had, it's one of the few things it's actually good for, I basically tell it the big barf of idea concept I had, and it structures it out, comes up with some names, elaborates on some concepts, it's awesome and I highly recommend it
>>96558068Sorry that happened to you anon.
>>96558068Sounds tough buddy.What’s the biggest mini you guys have painted?
>>96558058Don't worry anon. https://www.esrb.org/ratings/34494/destiny-the-collection/ at least you can find teenagers there.
I, for one, am upset that any armies exist
>>96558068Maybe you should play Horus Heresy.
>>96558073You were just young and dumb.
>>96558085Do you mean ideas and theories for the two missing primarchs or just complete fanfiction?
Collage squad is coming along. Should I paint the underside of the pauldron trim red also, or leave it black?
>>96558100Horus Heresy has non-Marines.
>>96558085Nice, im gonna go there right now and use that application that you've organically casuallt mentioned in this thread during the course of your behavior as a regular poster.
>>96558109Paint it.
>>96558106You know what, it's all good. I just like the possibilities, maybe it's your theories on what the actual canon second and eleventh might be like, or maybe it's your favorite fanon primarch.
>>96558058You want miners rapists, very small miners, or an emperor child predator? maybe some CPs?
>>96558114apologies, I didn't intend to come across as an astroturfer, I just had recently done it for one of my own ideas and I wanted to shout them out, I see now I sort of sounded very artificial but I'm actually just very stoned, it happens.
>>96558109It should be red.
>>96558058Reminder that Space Marines ritually inject their youngers with their "gene-seed".
>>96558123better option, emperor is reborn as a femboy shota who needs to be molded by some strong men
>>96558116>>96558135Lovely, will do
>>96558143B-But muh Sisters of Snu-Snu and female Custodes!!!
>>96558142also reminder that various chapters have various different means of administering "gene-seed", drinking sanguinius' blood from a grail is just one option, but creampie-ing a svelte neophyte marine scout is another
>>96558143>better option, emperor is reborn as a femboy shotay-yeah!?>who needs to be molded by some strong menKill yourself faggot.
>>96556829I'll be a fucking shill, just to ask what the fuck you're talking about. The members shit is early release I thought.Also, be prepared for them to get everything wrong (they don't understand ordnance blast just meant "use the big template" for 3e dexes, for instance)https://youtu.be/7m892P-48PM?feature=shared
Why don’t subfaction space marines have subfactions
>>96558157relax, un-clench your sphincter, nobody is trying to make you gay, femboy shota emp can be fauned over by big titty Sisters of Silence and of Battle, if that's what gets you off. It's all good.
>>96558160they do
i-i think my painting is getting a little better... just finished this lil guy a min ago!
>>96558160Black Templars?
>>96558151>NOOO SAVE ME GUILLIMAN! I'M BEING ATTACKED BY OLDER WOMEN!
Any tried AK paint stripper? I usually use Biostrip 20 but it seems to be sold out in my country
>>96558073>>96558101>Everything was so much more funny back then.if i remember right before /tg/ there were weekly warhammer threads on /b/
>>96558169thin your paints more.
>>96556847He didn't lie to you, it gets you a box of models you can play in a full game (even if it's different rules) and more importantly lets you figure out if you like painting and assembly before you buy into a 500 dollar game. Your LGS has shit employees.
>>96558169Looks better than your guilliman. Baby steps anon. You'll get there.
Do Marines have to crouch when entering doors?
>>96558160You would have to play the game to know about them
>>96558185No, because every door in the Imperium is made to the Emperor's dimensions by law
>>96558185Doors intended for baseline humans? Yes. Battle barges and other marine ships and buildings are obviously built and furnished with marine size in mind.
>>96558160you mean the non-codex compliant chapters?i think they actually dothe dark angels specifically had the whole hexagrammaton and every chapter has their own company formations
>>96558160They do. Dark Angels have ravenwing and deathwing
>>96558169>vivi Disgusting. We don't take kindly to your sort around here.
>>96558230this is a final fantasy general
>>96558158>Also, be prepared for them to get everything wrongi dont care if they get anything wrong i will get a kick out of it for remembering and figuring it out while going to sleepalso not about to make an youtube account just because of them, last time i made social media account was myspace and im still salty about what came out of it
>>96558232
>>96558160each original legion/chapter has successors who use the same geneseed, you can't really break again further down the line without it becoming pretty meaningless. a flesh tearers successor would still be blood angels stock.
>>96558232The only thing I like about that franchise is the FF13 tv spot trailer featuring "My Hands" by Leona Lewis
>>96558185no, their heads are small
Is there a synthetic brush that keeps it tip straight and not hooked at all? There are times when hooked brushes come in handy, painting curved surfaces or things that are hard to reach but every single one of them lost their tips after a while save for the only sable brush I have.
>>96558275no, synthetics will always hook after a while, you can reshape them with a dip in boiling water after cleaning them out thoroughly with brush soap
>>96557933Why is the tech marine about to shoot your captain
>>96558287Something, Something Void Dragon
>The fascism conversation happened againThe Tau are the good guys becuase they let me have sex with abhumans.The Imperiim are the bad guys because they don't.
>>96558303how about you stop bringing it up you retarded faggot
>>96558303Things are a bit heated right now so those discussion will probably be here for a while. Don't worry though, soon we'll return to how things usually are.
Are these too big for your average mini base?
>>96558303Real human women don't want to have sex with you and neither do abhuman ones
>>96558326>>96558309>Neither of them made it to the second sentence
Pick one
>>96558364nah, rollin
>>96558303We need to make take this tangent further:Aeldari, Tau, it's all overdone.Sex with Kroot ladies, how does it work?Furthermore, could you have intercourse with a neurolictor? I doubt they have any orifice aside from the mouth. Maybe some like mindmeld sex with a kinky hivemind or something.
>>96558364Kill all moster girl fags
>>96558372>kronosnice
>>96558372Agreed. We need the whole enchilada.Meandraco will gift us Teraurge V3 soon.
>>96558371Couldn't Malanthropes graft a new hole onto any other Tyranid if the situation called for it?
>>96558185>Doood! They're 7-feet tall!>Nonono, they're 8 feet Tall! Doooood!>Nonono, they're nine-So retarded.
>>96558327anyone got an opinion?
>>96558434You need to spend more time outside if that's upsetting you
>>96558372furries have gotten far too comfortable on this site there needs to be a crackdown
>>96558475>monstergirls are furries>gotten, implying that they weren't alwaysretarded AND a tourist, what an admittance
>>96558068Proposition: Warhammer 40,000™ will be nothing but loyalist Marines.HOWEVERThey will only be from your preferred Chapter. All other chapters will be removed along with everything else. Battles will be conducted between different companies of the same chapter.Do you accept this proposition?
>>96558474They made them bigger, so that means they're more kewl.
why are sisters of battle such an unpopular army? is it really because its kind of like playing with dolls since they're all girls ?
>>96558505hard to paint + high model count
>>96558505Are Marines such a popular army because they provide a safe outlet for latent homosexual beefy man-lust?(A: they are)
>>96558525There's nothing latent about it
>>96558525>>96558530least transparent /v/ermin
Can we go one thread without people projecting their homosexuality?
>>96558505Sisters are for men who are attracted to dominatrices as opposed to most 40k armies which are for homosexuals of different flavors
>>96558539Why would /v/ disapprove of nu-hammer? Nu-hammer IS vidja gaems in tabletop form. You make no sense, anon, very bad post.
>>96558560nu-hammer is LITERAL video games anon. space marine sold over 3m copies
>>96558560we've had extensive evidence of your /v/ermin status over the last few days
>>96558560Nobody mentioned nuhammer retard
>>96558372>moster
>>96558565Only makes the accusation less coherent.>>96558569Anyone who still like 40k """""Marines""""" after 2017 is endorsing nuhammer.
>>96558505You have to paint faces for every nearly unit in your army
>>96558594still waiting on those models btw
>>96557933nice
>>96558541>get called out>st...stop p-p-projecting!Instead of painting your next Intercessor™ kit or reading the latest Black Library book, maybe cut to the chase and hit up the nearest bath house.
>>96558505My brother in Christ they're stupid expensive to collect. Only a little cheaper than AdMech with all the same problems of being a pain to paint too
>>96558475Fuck no, all of the cutest rat girls are drawn by furries
Almost done my noise marines, just need to do shading. Is emperors children cool guys?
>>96558604Why are you in the 40k general if you don't like 40k?
>>96558604you look thirsty, you should quench your thirst with a nice refreshing Jumex peach nectar
>>96558505>spam meltas and flamers, with bolters filling the gapSo the Salamander detachment of SM but more models that are harder to paint>big paladin faith powers and fanatic shitSo Grey Knights or Black Templars, depending which angle you preferThe main playstyle and primary theme of the army is covered by Space Marines that do it for a fraction of the cost and way faster/easier to paint. Painting the odd blingy dude is fine for a Captain or Grandmaster, it's arduous for 50+ basic dipshits that die like flies. This leaves people that just REALLY want to play girls. That's it. There are people that do but they will always be massively outnumbered by people that want to play paladin/crusader armies or like close-range flamer/melta enjoyers. Sisters cost double the nearest alternatives, sometimes more.
>>96558639
>>96558630I feel like we have a lot of folks like that who only care for their one little sliver of what is 40k and generally seem disdainful of anyone who likes other parts of it.
>>96558594>starcraft generation joins 40kwahhhhhh 3rd edition changed muh whacky vortex grenades and shit >dawn of war generation joins 40kwahhhhhh these kids are actually building effective armies rather than just playing the same 8 units every week for 5 years>space marine 2 generation joins 40kwahhhhhhh primaris is ruining the game just look how they release 94 different SM characters but muh shitty xenos faction only gets 1 model and NO I WILL NOT BUY IT
>>96558663Next up we will get a Limbus collab and a new "waaaahhh" trust my psychedelic dreams and mushrooms
>>96558630I do like it, or rather, what it should be. The Discord Raiders are the only posters in this thread who actually care about 40k and the broader hobby. Everyone else, the "40k fans," are consumer accessories to a soulless corporation squeezing the IP for whatever its worth.It's unfortunate that what is the flagship of miniatures wargaming has been reduced to trash: the gameplay, the setting, the "community," and to an extent, the models.
It will be really funny after next edition when all the firstborn units are finally replaced and they have to start refreshing all the Primaris Marines in 12th edition just to keep up momentum without bloating the range again. I can already imagine the younger kids being super upset about it.
>>96558682the world would improve some minute amount if you were flayed alive tonight
>>96558639That DOES look refreshing.
>>96558682Are you the retard that bought an army of firstborn after the primaris announcement, then still didn't halfway finish painting them after all those years?
>>96558710no, that is the retard who's been spamming advertisements for ripoff tournament training lessons and bare foam L-shaped terrain for a few weekshe has no models and had a meltdown when somebody asked him to post them a few weeks back
>>96558682You can also try enjoying things in life. The hobby is what you make it. Stay gold playa>>96558695The world is better than that frend
>>96558718The world would also be improved a significant amount of you were flayed alive decalmutant
>>965586872027: Primaris get the Sigmarines treatment; complete overhaul, Primaris 2.0.2031: New Extremis™ Marines. Even more elite-er, Mk. XX Armour... TEN feet tall!
>>96558716Oh, that one's even more retarded.
>>96558230>Vivi is my favorite final fantasy character>his mtg card is so overpowered it ruins multiple formats bittersweet
>>96558735>zenos is mine>he's such an obnoxious commander my group's debating banning my deckI love it
Please GW can Drukhari have new grotesques? No! Ultramarines need new models!
>>96558722I am not decalmutant>>96558724Dude I'm weirded out by the joytoy released. They released so much shit already. I feel like the next few editions will keep getting weirder. Remember they're still releasing more and more SM units.
>>96558757Disgusting. Commander is the ultramarines of magic the gathering
>>96558716No, L-shaped foam anon is someone else. I'm Fisher Price anon.>>96558718No worries, I do! Got new hobby stuff to work on at the moment, as well: ~10th century Britain, Anglo-Saxons and Welshmen, all-metal. You stay golden too, fren :-)
>>96558771it's the only format worth playing in that dogshit game
>>96558775Why do you guys all only have one, single joke that you just repost over and over every single day
>>96558782Booster draft/cube is the best mtg format by so much that it's not worth comparing to anything else. I won't debate it further but it's the best deckbuilding game there is.
>>96558783because it's one single mongoloid pretending to be multiplestop giving him attention
>>96558790drafting isn't a format, it's a minigame
Is playing tyranids fun in currentyear?
>>96558799Draft is a more competitive and serious format than any other. There is a reason the pro level mtg players love it. People that are bad at magic cope about this endlessly because they can't use a metagame deck
>>96558809>pro level>slop card gamesLOL
>>96558814it's a more serious competitive game than 40k that's for sureBack on topic though. Reading this it seems clear to me that Cawl wants to fuck his captive necron gf. I owe him an apology, I wasn't familiar with his game>later he offers to build her a new body after decapitating her in a fight>he makes it super hot
>>96558761Be fair now, it won't ALL be Ultramarines. Next month it'll be White Scars, and then Christmas release will be new Imperial Fists, new Astartes grav-tanks, and more Ravenguard! >gee, THEN will I get Grotesques?No, after that will be more Ultramarines. >>96558769I'm sure it's sustainable ;-)
>>96558783It's for a good cause.
>>96558824They can slowly dripfeed the return of more primarchs for at least a decade, maybe longer, and people will eat it up. The appetite for imperium space opera is limitless
>>96558869meant for >>96558830
>>96558469>>96558327yes
>>96558869They do love their MarvelHammer 40,000, don't they? Expect "miracles" for "dead Primarchs, as well. Will be funny when the hope of investors to turn 40k into the new major pop culture franchise falls flat.
>>96558865is this really how you want to spend your life
>>96558769absolutely fucking kino board anon
When’s the next reveal show?
>>96558918ignore him, he's taken to avatarfagging, his mind's not even functioning anymore
>>96558915>He came back>Made lots of moneyYep, expect Jaghatai so people drop the Sabaton and pick the Hu.
>>96558918We all float down here.
>>96558722Why are you always trying to sniff me out...something is afoot...
>>96558718>The hobbyIt will never cease to amuse me how quickly GW drilled customerbase to believe in THE HOBBY church.
>>96558824Modern competitive 40k embraced play by intent and faggy step checking and precise phase bullshittery is heavily discouraged.
>>96558371Kroot don’t have external sex characteristics. The secrete reproductive material through pores in their hands and back and basically fuck by giving eachother back rubs.
>>96558968>The hobbyFortunately there's plenty of other games, other model lines than just GW has to offer. Home-brewing rules is also a fun challenge.
>>96558915It will work though. A lot of people really like the 40k setting but aren’t into the tabletop game or grimdark. It’s already being made into an Amazon series and a bunch of popular video games It is what it is
>>96558888do you know if theres any smaller ones out there or something
>>96558969Yeah that’s because its rules are stupid and bad in addition to imprecise. MTG actually has a very consistent rules engine
fix the dark angels
New bread when
Xenos factions will only become relevant when they are involved in bringing back a primarch. For example Orks will somehow revive Vulkan, the Dark Eldar will bring back some other primach, etc
>>96558938Learn to sit back and enjoy at the shitshow. Primarchs, Primaris, the "storyline," the price hikes, the increasing prominence of the tournament scene, the increasingly dumbed-down-yet-also-more-complex rules, the greytide tables full of centerpieces, the shilltubers, SpaceMarineHammer... all of it.Fun watch:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsRoLDQIoIk
So if tau are fascist, what are necrons then?
>>96559039>we're still pretending primaris are bad in 2025>we're still acting like warhammer never had a core story>we're still acting like tournament play is the boogeyman
>>96559011I don't disagree that MTG has a good rules engine, but its also what attracts the most disgusting alpha nerds known to man. Some of the absolute worst people I've ever met in my entire life I met through MTG. Bad sports and disgusting people. 40k generally has a much higher quality of person, and I think that mentality and lack of tolerance for shitty behavior helps with that. Of course, for both games, your local community will differ.
Ironically since people brought up MTG the two games are similar in that the older fanbase feels left behind after the maker found a strategy to increase its popularity. With mtg its coomander and in with 40k its primarch space opera Such is life
The people who bitch about the whole verse being about primarchs are the same ones bitching about the lion and guilliman having not met yet
>>96559039What will re-re-reposting the same tired old joke every day on an anonymous image board do to resolve your problem?
I wish the primarchs were female
>>96559060To be clear I’m an imperium space opera fag myself. I want the imperium to win. I just recognize I’m not part of the traditional fanbase that likes grimdark satire
>>96559002>It’s already being made into an Amazon seriesI'm aware. This is a big part of what I was referring to. They're banking 40k will be the next Lord of the Rings, Marvel universe, Game of Thrones, etc., but the 40k setting is horribly suited for storytelling that will have mass appeal (it's just a backdrop to justify ONLY WAR). You COULD have good stories: an Inquisitor noir flick, Rogue Trader/explorer space western... but these would be good stories that just happen to take place in the 40k universe; not good because of it. And it's not as if anyone can just decide to create a compelling story and characters.It'll be big budget junk that gets a bunch of 40k nerds soijakking (and there WILL be soijakking), but normal people won't care.
>>96559072It's always been a wide buffet of tones and themes. You have Orks doing cockney slapstick one table over from the primarch drama.
>>96559077See, that is only true if you keep it ultra grimdark. They don’t have to do that. It will become more and more nobledark
>>96559048>we're still acting like warhammer never had a core storyThere's a difference between a background story to establish a setting, and an evolving soap opera (that by necessity has no stakes, and no drama)."aDvAnCe ThE sToRy!" was always a mistake.
>>96559092It’s more interesting and fun. The emperor should own Slaanesh next just like he burned Nurglr’s garden, I will offer currency in response
>>96559092so all those stories about the Imperium and the Black Legion preparing for the 13th Black Crusade never happened?
>>96559092theres no stakes if everything is "setting up the background" eventually everyone will ask "ok whats in the foreground then asshole"
>>96559067Out of curiosuty, did you watch the vid? Do you disagree with any of it?
>>96559092I disagree with you, but I'm not being an annoying faggot spamming my dissenting opinion every day with the same recycled low effort shitposts.
>>96559098Exactly. You have to add more not just update the codex. Something needs to happen
>>96559101Imagine if World of Warcraft never advanced the story.
>>96559094Lion comes in, does a tp gimmick and reflects' Slaanesh face on the shield, causing Slaanesh to start seething as the shape turns into Big E smirking with a "lmao bitch you thought. I may be a corpse, but I'm better looking than you"
>>96559100Yeah I skimmed it. It was clown car music and expired memes shopped over a bunch of mediocre sculpts (which have always existed) and price rises (which have happened for literally everything in this dogshit economy). Just validate-my-pre-existing-opinion wank. Waste of time.
>>96559108I stopped giving a shit about WoW after wotlk, this means nothing to me.
I maintain the emperor was the little girl that made it through Tzeentch’s maze and he just appeared as a little girl because he’s crazy and enjoys fucking with people (especially chaos)
>>96559095Funny thing, 13th Crusade happened in 3rd edition and it had a campaign about it.
>>96559105>ok so theres this batshit insane scifi universe>and heres all this information>but nothing new ever happens, infact we don't even know whens the present besides this vague idea of now>but no we know for a fact female spacemarines cannot ever exist
>>96559133there were stories prior setting it up, hell even armageddon was also done as something happening in the now
>>96559108Yes, shadowlands really moved the series forward. Shut the fuck up retard.
>>96559048>>we're still acting like warhammer never had a core storyHow many has it had? There was the RT Inquisitor War Era with searching for Sensei in order to bring back the Emperor or awaken Humanity as a psychic species or something, there was the 3rd Edition 3rd War for Armageddon, Gothic War, and 13th Black Crusade Era, and since 2017 we've been in the Guilliman era, which mainly just ends up being a few warzones that GW cycles between (vigilus and pariah nexus mainly). Was there just nothing from between the era where Eye of Terror ended and Gathering Storm started?
>>96559148the sensei stuff was resolved in a novel and theres even a page in the core rule book that mentions them to end the plot line, the third edition plot lines continued into 4th but 5th rolled back the time of ending.GW then stuck to the roll back all the way till now which is why they redid the 13th black crusade
>>96559141>he thinks every expansion didn't ruin the storyhello asmon viewer, waiting on what your opinion for the day will be?
>>96559085They can try, but good luck EVER getting a female audience interested in something called "Warhammer 40,000." And if you can't do that, you don't have a mass audience. >you can still get a male audienceIf something gets tagged as pussy-repellent, which 40k absolutely, overwhelmingly, is, you won't have a mass male audience. You'll get fat autistic nerds, which they already have. Star Wars, LotR, Marvel, etc. can win this wider audience, because these aren't settings created as a backdrop for violence (whether le grimdark or not), but about characters and themes. (hence why I mentioned stories that just *happen* to be set in the 40k universe, but GW doesn't want that, because you could set those anywhere and it doesn't sell the setting, and outside media companies don't want that, because then they don't need GW, they could create their own IP).inb4: someone calls out Marvel media for being trashI didn't say it has to be good.
>Asmon audience It completely escaped my mind that his audience could potentially be here. Would explain why this general is so shit.
>>96559140>I forgot Armageddon has happened a lot and it's not recentFuck me, I forget Angron appearing there isn't recent. I guess the Inquisition managed to make me forget about the First Armageddon War.
Warhammer 40k is actually an insane setting for storytelling as long as you ignore the metaphor. You can tell great stories about any random hive, eldar Corsair, etc.
>>96559173Of course he has fans here, that would be every DG player.
>>96559172But Anon I’m a woman and can say you’re dead wrong. The tabletop game you’re right about it. It lacks female appeal for a BUNCH of reasons. The setting is different. I remember laughing about how they were trying to get rid of Slaanesh to appeal to women when it is by far the chaos faction with the most female appeal
>>96559178yeah angron was the first war, GW has gone back and did the first war as if it is a current event (i.e the spot light) but the third war was the one we were shown happening as a current event
Rate my 40k show idea: it stars a young emperor in 2025. He’s living in Brooklyn and owns a game store, he ends up having visions of his horrible future while playing a war game and has to figure out how to prevent it
>>96559094He won't "own" him, though. It'll be a hollow, meaningless victory, just like always, because they can't remove major elements from the setting, unless they're willing to majorly disrupt their product line. They were PLANNING on removing Slaanesh (aborted Ynnari story, removal from early AoS), because the marketing department said Slaanesh was no-good, but reversed course at the last minute. In order to have a story with stakes, you'd need to be doing that sort of disruption constantly. Cadia got destroyed? You can't follow that with "They relocated!" bullshit. It needs to be gone. Have Cadian models? Guess what, they've been squatted. Don't exist anymore. Fuck you, buy something else now. Anything less means no tension, no stakes, no drama.>He burned Nurgles garden!And? What did this change? The next story could take place so that it didn't matter at all (because it didn't).
>>96559210>Cadia got destroyed? You can't follow that with "They relocated!" bullshit. It needs to be gone. Have Cadian models? Guess what, they've been squatted. Don't exist anymore. Fuck you, buy something else now. Anything less means no tension, no stakes, no drama.the "there are more cadians off cadia then on cadia" line actually predates the fall of cadia by a few years
Painting is fun and easy. Much better than arguing on 4chan.
At the end of the day we can differ in opinion respectfully but if you don't think "Cadia broke before the guard did" is the hardest shit ever then get the fuck away from me.
>>96559098>>96559105>"ok whats in the foreground then asshole"Something needs to happenThat's what THE GAME is for. It's a sandbox; you create your own stories via gameplay. Ideally, campaigns. >>96559133It wasn't total stagnation, but mostly. Game companies don't like world-changing drama, because that has consequences for their existing products. (There used to be a card came, 7th Sea. They removed an entire faction because of storyline events. It didn't go over well, and they lost almost all those players. Lesson learned.)
>>96559234Yeah sorry that’s not enough people want things to happen in the universe. That’s just the reality
>>96559168I liked Dragonflight because it expanded the setting horizontally more than vertically. Swing and a miss.
>>96559068Same, but it would have resulted in a disgusting amount of mommyposting
>>96559234>hat's what THE GAME is for. It's a sandbox; you create your own stories via gameplay. Ideally, campaignsthats just fanfiction though, like even D&D has canonical endings to campaigns
>>96559188slannesh is girlypop
If GW included women in the adeptus astartes women still wouldnt play them.
>>96559188the 40k audience is less than 1% female, and unlikely to ever change. I'm having trouble thinking of any IP with les female appeal. Also, if you're the anon who posted your Black Templars, then your "female" status is not exactly representative. (if not, disregard. I agree with you about Slaanesh, but can't imagine that was their rationale.)
>>96559241>expanded horizontally>nothing but gay NPCs and literal gay frogs and then a marvel avengers assemble cutscene to set up the next big bad
>>96559178>>96559189Not sure if it's the earliest mention of these wars, but 1st and 2nd Armageddon both were detailed in WD151 in 1992 for the Battle for Armageddon wargame. They were just presented as things that happened already though, unlike 3rd which was a global campaign you could participate in.
>>96559254You can be triggered because the cute scene about bonding with a disabled kid in a library is too gay and emotional for you but it was better in story and gameplay than the last 3 expansions before it which did irreparable damage to the franchise.
>>96559216Right, which is why it doesn't matter. Cadia got "destroyed"? Oh no! Anyways, here's Cadia II. Full of Cadians. Even more than before, in fact. The best Cadia.
>>96559260good baitenjoy your literal marvelslop asmongoloid viewerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpGygoQ_IDw
>>96559261cadia being destroyed was a fortress world that cracked open the imperiums defences and caused the great rift.
>>96559252To be clear, I meant women will never get into the tabletop game. It’s just not a girl appeal game because of the mechanics. You could easily get girls to watch 40k content, not sure why you would think otherwise
>>96559227What wash do you use for the metal?
>lore>fags
I need a chaos power claw, what model has the biggest one
>>96559261That's cherry picking reductionism. The army remains, but the fortress planet is broken, and its warp repellant pylons broke with it. The warp spilled out and split the galaxy in half. The imperium has been split. Of course they weren't going to delete a whole model line, which is why you blinker-focus on that aspect as it's the path of least resistance for your pre-existing antipathy.
>>96559278space wolf grey contrast if I had to guess
Cadians are just dudes in flak armour, the most generic space soldiers possible. There was never any chance GW was going to delete their model line even with the destruction of Cadia.
>>96558560This. Destinyfags have infested 40k due to Votann. Games Workshop just had to team up with Bungie.
>>96559238People primarily like 40k because of setting elements established decades ago. Advancing the setting inevitably compromises these elements. It won't pay off.>>96559243>even D&D has canonical endings to campaignsIf you're talking about limited resolutions that don't fundamentally alter a setting, then sure. Otherwise:TSR "advanced the setting" of Dark Sun. Everyone hated it and treats it like it never happened, because it was a complete rug pull for what players signed up for.>"Hey, like your apocalyptic desert fantasy world ruled over by invincibly-powerful, cruel tyrant god-kings?"Yeah!>"Great! By the way, the main villain just got overthrown by heroes, tyranny is on the back-foot, and the greenery is growing back!"Greyhawk advanced the setting to eliminate Gary Gygax's intellectual rights. Players hated it.Forgotten Realms... is a meme.WotC's Ravenloft? LMAO
>>96559294>People primarily like 40k because of setting elements established decades ago.Nope.
>>96559294>People primarily like 40k because of setting elements established decades agohahahahahahaha
>>96559294>People primarily like 40k because of setting elements established decades ago. Advancing the setting inevitably compromises these elements. It won't pay off. Anon you can ruin 40k for people by telling them things they like are actually really new
>>96559294>People primarily like 40k because of setting elements established decades ago.I remember obi wan the inquisitor...such sovl...mucho kino...
>>96559278If you mean the trim it's gryphcharger grey over white, then washed with drakenhof nightshade.
>>96559289Do yall think guard work better as baroque/grimdark 40k style models (vostroyan/krieg) or as generic scifi (cadians) to better serve as a contrast to everything else in the setting.
A lot of time when something changes there is a ton of screaming but it ends up better and more popular The necron retcon is a good example
>>96559048>>we're still acting like warhammer never had a core storyActually it never had, unless we count lone campaign (Eye of Terror) as story,>>we're still acting like tournament play is the boogeymanNot a boogeyman, but simply unpleasant. This is where miniatures games lacks clarity of video games. Tournament 40k is supported by 40k miniatures, not the quality of GW's ruleset.
>>96559294It's the broad strokes of the setting that attract, not the specifics. They can change so long as it keeps feeling like 40k.
what an eventful thread
>>96559227Nice color scheme anon.>>96559290>Votann>having anything related to DestinyLook I'm all to dunk on Votann but where's the correlation?
>>96559319Both.
>>96559271>cadia being destroyed was a fortress world that cracked open the imperiums defences and caused the great rift.And? It doesn't matter. Has the Great Rift invalidated any product lines? Has it precluded the possibility of certain changes in the setting? No. They can handwave all of it. They drew a huge black gash on the map, but it changes absolutely nothing. Zero stakes. Zero perceivable consequences.>>96559286None of that matters. There were no actual consequences to any of that. Any story or game elements that emerge from it could have been written in regardless. Nobody who has a Cadian army is effected in any real sense (nor should players of a game have their property invalidated).
>>96559319Yes Guard work best as a diverse army. vostroyans are fun though.
>>96559286>The army remains, but the fortress planet is broken, and its warp repellant pylons broke with it. The warp spilled out and split the galaxy in half. The imperium has been split.And..?Imperium simply opened can of endless space marines reinforcements in return.
>>96559273>You could easily get girls to watch 40k content[doubt]Women with husbands/boyfriends might get into painting. That's about it.
>>96559290But anon, there were destinyfags before votann. Votann was made to please them.
>>96559334>Has the Great Rift invalidated any product lines?if it did you'd bitch about how moving the setting forward destroyed your heckin based army
>>96559343Silly anon, all you need to do is get some Tyranid monster porn and they're set.
>>96559334There are significant lore consequences to the map chance. It affected Rogue Trader which was great. There are also new model lines that reflect recent lore changes, like primaris and primarchs. But those don't count to you because they're new and 'marvel' or some other inane hipster faggotry.
>>96559343I know one that liked listening to HH books with her bf they broke up lmaoshe still likes nids and death guard though
>>96559350Or stuff with eldar or primarchs. He has no idea what women like, he should look up popular romantasy
>>96559353>reflect recent lore changes,What exactly changed? Marines just keep fighting spiky marines, orks, bugs etc
>>96559340>They didn't delete the whole settingYeah no shit, retard. The age of apostasy didn't deplete all the space marines either but that's old lore so it doesn't upset your hipster ass.
>>96559301>>96559303>>96559308Like Space Marines? Tyranids? Necrons? Space Elf servants of a clown-god?The Chaos Gods? Like a dystopian galactic empire ruled by a corpse-Emperor on a Golden Throne? All established decades ago. Nobody is getting into 40k because of... (checks notes)... Leagues of Votann and Ursula Creed.
>>96559367are we pretending Squats weren't established decades ago?
>>96559322>It's the broad strokes of the setting that attract, not the specifics. They can change so long as it keeps feeling like 40k.Are you confident it will? Dark Sun definitely didn't feel like Dark Sun after the Prism Pentad book series.
>>96559358 >>96559366
>>96559366Age of apostacy always been a background period, just like Great Crusade and Horus Heresy.>it doesn't upset your hipster ass.Brave words from /co/umblrinnaAnd we are back to the subject, what changes are reflected and how exactly they are reflected in models?
finished painting 3 models today /40kg/ frens !! im really proud of how they came out and wanted to share with u guys since it makes me really happy seeing them all done :)ty for all the nice (and not so nice) words if encouragement i tried to use all the paiting tips I was given itt !!
Boobs.Boobs that are blue.Boobs that are big and blue.
>>96559348see:>>96559334>nor should players of a game have their property invalidated.
>>96559367I gave up my humanity because I dont want to be associated with the neanderthals of ages past.
>>96559380>Age of apostacy always been a background period, just like...Horus Heresy.?
>>96559353>There are significant lore consequences to the map chance.>There are significant lore consequences>LORE CONSEQUENCES
>>96559371Yeah, at this point I am. They've gone through the biggest set of changes the setting has seen without serious breakage. Some things could have been handled better but it's nowhere near close to being as fucked as star wars/trek are.
>>96559382Good stuff anon, congrats. They turned decent, I know you were bummed out when you first tried to do the gold but you got through it in the end
>>96559383>boobs that are big and blueBased taste
>>96559369The Leagues of Votann are not Squats.
>>96559380The primarchs returned and primaris happened in lore, which is reflected in new models. Other lore is self contained to lore alone, which is just fine and unchanged. Model lines aren't sweepingly deleted due to lore, which is good because that would be a staggeringly retarded thing to wish for.
>>96559387https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Age_of_Apostasy
>>96559394if you were the kind anon that encouraged me earlier i want to thank you so much. i really was feeling defeated until you gave that pep talk. after the painting hell that was guilliman everything else feels babby mode. it was like being in the hyperbolic time chamber
>>96559401The point is that Horus Heresy was never just a "background event."
>>96559382Good job buddy. Constructive criticism is meant in good spirits. Improving and comparing to old models to see how you've gotten better is fun.
>>96559398they literally are
>>96559400>The primarchs returned They always been around.>primaris happened in lore, which is reflected in new models.Plot twist it's not reflected in new models, because new models replaced manlet marines. Primaris are now just default marines, so yeah it reflects nothiing and setting stays on the same "marines fighting spikey marines">Model lines aren't sweepingly deletedTell that to manlets, lol.
>>96559398This. They're Destiny and all Votannfags are Destinyfags sent by Bungay corporate spies.
>>96559391My take is that the Primaris were setting breaking, but different strokes. They aren't going to stop, though. Unless the audience revolts, they're going to continue squeezing. Remember this chat.
>>96559270Amongold specifically went on a shitty rant about that quest and the only other clip of his I've seen is his rant about how palestinian kids deserve to get bombed. Your buzzwords aren't even being used properly, you imbecile. Calling me an asmongold fan just makes you look retarded, he's literally a disgusting poltard manchild who hates the very thing I'm saying is kind of okay. DF was certainly better than both Battle For Azeroth and Shadowlands and pointless contrarianism serves you poorly. >teaming up on the bad guy after a hero's journey of bringing factions together for a goal is automatically badyawn. you are mentally broken. you have no joy, you have no fantasy. you will never be a champion of azeroth. you are crude mockery of the titan's perfection. etc etc
i unironically hope all the primarchs including sanguinius amd dorn return at some point so each sm faction has a centerpiece for their army. yes ik lore wise it makes 40k seem like 30k but imo with how shitty everything is and no emps to call the shots it could make for interesting story telling. just my opinion though ik if they acrually did that it would piss off alot of ppl and make them quit the game
>>96559403But it's always been. It's always existed as "10k years before the 40k". Not like Succession Wars leading to Clan Invasion, which led to Jihad eras in Battletech.
>>96559414I don't play the game with the literal tranny god of the afterlife, (you) do
>>96559391>Some things could have been handled better but it's nowhere near close to being as fucked as star wars/trek are.But Gathering Storm literally locked 40k in the same storyline as ST locked SW, but with Guilliman instead of Rey
>>96559407They're both space Dwarves. Other than that, the LoV are completely new.
>>96559108Dark Imperium is the Dawntrail of Warhammer
>>96559270>>96559414>mfw Youtube influencers with no balls or opinions, just playing to what pleases their audienceI pity them but also scorn them.
>>96559414unironically defending any WoW expac after legion is unforgiveable
>>96559415We can only hope : )
>>96559415>how shitty everything isHow exactly everything is shitty if Imperium now have infinite supply of marines?>for interesting story telling.Like Horus Heresy, right?
>>96559421>40k will become an inferior Dark Empire
>>96559384yeah the arguments are very predictable
>>96559410Primarchs have not always been around like they are now, what the fuck are you talking about? The setting being the same armies fighting each other, but under new circumstances and contexts, is the best you can get for tabletop setting.Complete guesswork here but I figure you're not actually mad about 40k lore and how it affects tabletop, just depressed and dissatisfied in general, and externalising that into 40k.
>>96559415The primarchs returning would change literally nothing. They would all mostly fuck off to help the nonstop war effort happening everywhere and be depressed about how shitty the Imperium has become. Bobby G and the Lion are back yet plotwise nothing of consequence has changed.
>>96559433>Primarchs have not always been around like they are now, what the fuck are you talking about?Daemon Primarchs had Epic models in the 90's.
>>96559433>Primarchs have not always been around like they are now,But nothing changed with their return, so we can assume they always been around and use demon primarchs minis from Epic as evedience.>but under new circumstances and contextsLike..?>Complete guesswork here but I figure you're not actually mad about 40k lore and how it affects tabletop, just depressed and dissatisfied in general, and externalising that into 40k.That's a lot of projecting.
>>96559340>the response to Cadians getting fucked is more Space MarinesIdk chieftain that sounds good.Total KKKadian Death.
>>96559430marines take a long time to make and even with an infinite supply, they still need to replace losses. Plus the total number of SM is dwarfed by guardsmen. There just isnt enough of them to be everywhere at once so the primary Imperium fighting force will still be the guard.Not to mention having to deal with infinity chaos, nods and orks.
>>96559433The Daemon Primarchs were always stated to be around and up to something, even Angron appeared for the 1st War for Armageddon. They just didn't have 40k models.
>>96559428You are joining the conversation late. I said it was better than BFA and Shadowlands because it expanded the setting horizontally primarily not vertically. It started mostly as a look at an unexplored and not particularly important corner of the world. It was a return to fantasy adventure over shitty world ending everything always kill death and time and god and etc. And it was, Dragonflight has been received massively better then those expansions. And like in 40k, people (including fake grogs here) tend to like random warzone stories or bolter porn over shit like Godblight where ROBOUTE GUILLIMAN (TM) fights DAEMON MORTARION (TM).
Reminder that you can destroy infinite Imperial worlds and the writers will keep creating new ones. Destroy as many as you want, the Imperium will always have more. So long as it's not an actual plot important place like Terra or Ultramar, the Imperium can suffer any number of losses because the worlds you destroyed literally didn't exist before the story that destroyed them.The Imperium is unstoppable. The Emperor has already won.
>>96559432A large section of /tg/, and seemingly /40kg/ in particular, are profoundly autistic. When they end up liking something, they go all-in, and it consumes them. Zero capacity for any critical analysis. It becomes "their precious," and any criticism of their interest is treated as an assault on themselves. They won't even process the content of the criticism, just pull deeper into their shell.Grim, really.
>>96559383BIG.BLUE.TATTAS.
>>96559402I'm not sure if it was me or one of the other anons who offered some support, I think there were a few of us. Either way, the super detailed models can be really really overwhelming at first, especially to a newer painter. You will probably find everything a little easier now that you've got a more complex mini below your belt. If you're ever stuck just come here and tell us about it, generally if it's something simple you'll receive a handful of replies some of which might even be somewhat pleasant.
>>96559440>Like..? The setting has changed with the rift splitting the imperium in two, and the pariah nexus etc. leading to new and different context for existing model lines to fight. But you'll just say "lorefags" or something equally braindead to dismiss that.
>>96559449>marines take a long time to makeNope. Cawl had infinite storage of ready to go marines whenever plot demands.>There just isnt enough of them to be everywhere at onceQuite false, they are literally presented in every warzone, including a fucking Octarius.>so the primary Imperium fighting force will still be the guard.[citation from codex needed]>Not to mention having to deal with infinity chaos, nods and orks.Imperium did it for 10k with ease
The superior post-RotJ Sith Troopers.
>>96559383>>96559459>>96559397I'd rather this quality of posting than the constant lorefag spam
>>96559467wrong thread buddy
>>96559454dragonflight's story is dogshit and wasn't horizontal, it was there to set up their next jobber villainess
>>96559458I think thatd be closer to autist anon, nonetheless I don't think anyone here actually likes warhammer, they like the idea of warhammer
>>96559462>. leading to new and different context for existing model lines to fight.Like..? Marines still fighting against other marines, xenos and demons.It's all the same.
>>96559473I like warhammer
>>96559458This is just a problem with modern consumerism in general anon, though autists are more likely to substitute a product they consume for the personality. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU8w4KxoyRk
>>96559449>marines take a long time to makeIt. Does. Not. Matter. They can write-in as many as they need. Any LOOOORE consequences which do not effect physical product are meaningless.
>>96559474Yes, good. New context for the same armies to fight is good. I'm glad for it, and I look forward to more.
>>96559383Postan my wife
>>96559481>Reading a book is meaningless, I get to the end and nothing changed in the real world!
>>96559462>The setting has changed with the rift splitting the imperium in two, and the pariah nexus etc. leading to new and different context for existing model lines to fight. New product can always be written in with whatever excuse a writer comes up with. Has anything been *removed*? No? Then it doesn't matter. Zero stakes. (which is why you shouldn't have an advancing plot, unless you're prepared to actually cull physical content).>Hey guys, Guilliman fought Abbadon! Dood, it was so epic, and they both escaped at the last minute!-ad infinatum.
Welcome to 40k, the game where everything's made up and the lore don't matter.
>>96559498>game where everything's made up and the lore don't matter. Perfection
>>96559464even if you took all the current marine chapters and doubled them overnight that is still a drop in the bucket to all the active warzones the Imperium has. they make up 1% or less of the total military . if we super highball them and say the Imperium magically had 10 million space marines that's still nothing at all compared to the amount of worlds in the Imperium and the trillions of guardsmendon't forget shit is grim past the rift and that side of the Imperium could be fucked beyond belief >Imperium did it for 10k with easethey're stretched thin and slowly decaying from the inside out. chaos is getting stronger as time goes on and will always have more dudes to throw at a battle and are a constant corruptive threat
>>96559498until someone has black female guard, then suddenly the lore is sacred
STEAKS?
>>96559480Right. You have a consumerism problem, but... "special types" amplify the problem. It seems especially troubling with fictional narratives.Spending time on this forum, their presence becomes glaring.
>>96559484>New contextYou are still failing to present any examples.
>>96559503My penis is curious
>>96559493partially you are correct, if you read the book which doesn't change anything for you you are either too stupid, or picked a bad book.
>>96559496Who the hell wants things removed like that? "Damocles succeeded so we deleted the Tau product line" do you actually want that? Nobody wants that, it's retarded. So why keep posting it as if you're mad that retardation hadn't happened? It hasn't happened and that's good.They advance the setting slowly, keeping existing factions in play and introducing new ones. It's the best you can ask for, in keeping with the limitations of it being the setting for a game. Just ignore it if you don't care, but why waste time every day with boring ritual posts mad that someone else likes something you don't like?
>>96559502>even if you took all the current marine chapters and doubled them overnight that is still a drop in the bucket to all the active warzones the Imperium has.Says who?>they're stretched thin and slowly decaying from the inside out.Nope they didn't.
>>96559515Pariah nexus, lore, which informs a game campaign module named after it and new subfactions dedicated to dealing with it.
>>96559520best i can do is anime black female templar
>>96559383Now this is what /40kg/ was made for
>>96559524>it's retarded.As opposed to Pariah Nexus which GW tried to shill as some hot shit despite everyone already knew it will end with nothing since both Bobby and Szarekh have models.>They advance the setting slowly, keeping existing factions in play and introducing new ones.The only new faction GW introduced were Votanns, and they weren't exactly new lorewise, just "always been around but kept short profile">but why waste time every day with boring ritual posts mad that someone else likes something you don't like?Good question, why you wasting time every day trying to convince that Captain America vs Red Skull brawl #122354543356 is actually very interesting and completely different from brawl #122354543355?
>>96559530>Pariah nexus, loreBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>96559493When you read a book (at least one which is compelling), there are real consequences, real risk. Characters can die or have their lives turned upside down. You become invested in their stories. Nobody in 40k is at risk, unless GW wants to stop producing their relevant product. It would be like watching a war movie where ahead of time you know none of the characters will ever die.>Dude, people die all the time in 40k!Yes, nameless mooks. Those aren't people. A billion nameless Cadians can die, and a billion more can instantly be brought in to replace them. The actual equivalent here would be all Cadians dying. No more left. Gone from the setting forever. That would be an actual consequence. And again, not that I am advocating for the removal of Cadians from 40k, but these are the sort of stakes you would need for actual drama. 40K has no drama. It has Joker escaping from Batman, only to appear again next week, in a completely unrelated new episode.
>>96559537Do you think shes opposed to deodorant like irl chuds haha I bet she's stinky LOL I want to smell her pits
>>96559553What was the last book you read anon
>>96559546I don't. I don't make an "anti-lorefags" or tonka truck or tsports or some other mental midget ritual post like that every day, and neither does anyone else regularly discussing lore in this thread.
>lore haggling I'll admit 40k has the least interesting narrative among gws titles rn, but I do think there are some moments that go hard, which more than makes up for its failings.
>>96559562>trying to move goalpost so shamelessly
>>96559556since all sm are canonically stinky she probably smells like her battle brothers if not maybe slightly less potent since i image her personal hygiene would be a little better. her armor would smell awful and she would still probably rarely bathe since she's almost constantly in battle or en route to one.
>>96559537Redditors will tell you how important female marines are for representation and fighting toxicity and then show you their 3D printed catgirl heads to put on a box of intercessors.
>>96559565I'm not the one you're arguing with, just curious about your taste in reading.
>>96559563Yeah you are trying to convince us Pariah Nexus was hot shit
>>96559582>>96559582>>96559582
>>96559524>Damocles succeeded so we deleted the Tau product line" do you actually want that?Do you comprehend anything you read? Re-read the post:>>96559496>which is why you shouldn't have an advancing plot, unless you're prepared to actually cull physical contentI am explicitly NOT advocating for that, because paying customers shouldn't have their purchases invalidated. But that's also why you shouldn't be telling zero-stakes stories, because if there are no permanent consequences, then there is no drama. If there is no drama, the "story" will be pure shit, and should not be told, because it compromises setting integrity (which is what actually matters).
>>96559553There are consequences to the setting itself, loss of the planet Cadia and the rift, as discussed earlier, but that got replied to with "it didn't delete model lines so didn't count". Model-having characters like Calgar or Abbadon don't die, but book only characters absolutely do, and have stakes. I enjoyed the stories of Garrow and Lokan from the early HH books. They had character growth of the sort you mention.
>>96559586>They had character growth of the sort you mention.As much as primarchs.
>>96559585You've also said you'll only accept consequences in the form of model line deletion, and handwaved lore and setting changes themselves as irrelevant. Which is reductive. You've brought up model deletion constantly, and I'm saying it's irrelevant, unnecessary and unasked-for.
>>96559601>and I'm saying it's irrelevant, unnecessary and unasked-for.Too bad your opinion is invalid due to this post:>>96559530
>>96559618Why don't you post ">pariah nexus" five times a day every day for the next month, just to prove how mentally ill you totally aren't.
>>96559640I will post it everytime when you are bringing it as example of good writting or setting's progress
>>96559648It was an example of lore affecting the game, and the quality was completely irrelevant to that point being right, tonkafag.
>>96559651>It was an example of lore affecting the game,>event which ends up with complete capeshit nothingburgerOkay lol
>>96559670>I don't like itIt's not the same as>It didn't happenFor example, you're a useless retard, but you still actually exist even so.
>>96559677>>It didn't happenExcept it's actually didn't happen since nothing changed.>you're a useless retardProjecting much again capeshitter?
Scroll up, dickhead.>New context for the same armies to fight>You are still failing to present any examples.There it is, new context for the same armies to fight in.>I don't like it >Nothing changedThat doesn't have anything to do with the point of why it was brought up, dumb fuck.
>>96559702>new context for the same armies to fight in.Such as..?Name it already.
>>96556671Maybe… AL seem neat
>>96559714https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/context
>>96559746And where is the new context in Pariah Nexus?
>>96559768See definition two. It is a different set of conditions surrounding an event, such as a war, in which it takes place. >I don't like it, it's bad, it's marvelIrrelevant.
>>96559785>such as a war,It's the same war between marines and necrons. The only difference is>>Hey guys, Guilliman fought Szarekh! Dood, it was so epic, and they both escaped at the last minute!
>>96559785>Irrelevant.>akshually quality is irrelevant it's good by defaultOkay lol
>>96559640That wasn't me, it's a different anon. I'm Fisher-Price anon, Pariah Nexus anon is someone else (I've never mentioned Pariah Nexus). I gave you a respons in the new thread.
>>96559792Jesus Christ you're thick. You really genuinely don't grasp what the word means, even with a fucking dictionary definition. It is the same war in a different context. The same war, WW2, was fought in the different contexts of the European, African and Asian theatres. It's not about the quality of the writing, please try to understand English.
>>96559810>The same war, WW2, was fought in the different contexts of the European, African and Asian theatresContext was actually the same, it's always axis countries vs allies countries and WW2 actually ended, permanently with deconstruction of Fascist Italy, Imperial Japan and complete eradication of Prussia as political and cultural entity within the Germany. So bad example.
>>96559807I'm not shitting up the new thread with this>>96559821That's not what the word means you idiot. If a rock is in the sea, then in the air, the context is the sea and the air, not the rock. The war is not the context by definition. What surrounds the war and where it happens is the context.
>>96559829Whatever. Letting you know you've been talking to someone else.Changes to "the looore" are irrelevant. If it doesn't effect the game, nobody cares (and new product being introduced doesn't count; that doesn't require storyshitting). "Ohhh, but did you hear what Sicarius said to..." Doesn't matter. Gay.
>>96559859You don't care, which is fine. I don't care about your margarita book either. Only one of us is throwing a prolonged shitpost tantrum because other people don't have the same tastes as him.
>>96559866>every book is equal so stop calling me out as capeshitter
>>96559866That's cool. Keep enjoying your zero-risk queer soap-opera for fat dorks.
>>96559871>>96559879Yeah you guys enjoy your own high IQ cultured activities, like daily ritual posting trash in a 4chan general thread for months on end. Real high society stuff, gents.
>>96559871Dude, did you catch what happened when Ahriman fought with Mephiston??? It was so intense, they destroyed an entire blackstone fortress and half the Chapter died, I can't believe that! Mephiston was so mad, he was about to kill Ahriman... but then Magnus conjured a storm and pulled him away! It opened up an entire sector-sized extension of the Great Rift! Also, Karandras gave his life fighting against a Tyranid invasion, it was so deep and tragic... but then he came back to life cuz he's a Phoenix Lord. Huge stuff, was on the edge of my seat the whole time. 40k is gonna be different from now on.
>>96559905Anyway, I'm off to make my twice-daily post obsessing about it on 4chan. Sure is euphoric to be so superior, and enlightened by my own intellect! After that I think I might call someone else gay, while I read a non fiction book about margaritas of all things.
>>96559914What's your current hobby project?
>>96559964Arguing with mentally ill ritual posting homosexuals on fourchan dot org
>>96560000Doesn't sound very productive. Any recent modelling or painting besides that?
So you can follow me around and vent your schizo obsession on me later? Fat chance, margarita boy.
>>96557775It's very biological Gene seed tier
>>96557949Remember they are all girls
>>96560023Suit yourself. I'm in the middle of a relocation right now, so unfortunately haven't been doing any hobby stuff. Lots I want to get started on, though.
>>96560030OLD POST
>>96560044Mmmmyep. Right at the end of a shit flinging internet argument with someone who ritual posts near daily, and you want something to ID me by. Maybe look for a better hobby than being a thread goblin.
>>96560075I said suit yourself, you don't gotta say anything. I was working on some Dark Ages historical stuff before the move started. Welsh and Anglo-Saxons, metal models from footsore miniatures.
>>96560086Given that you've spent the past few hours being a smug ass with a superiority complex over my hobby, you'll understand that I don't give two shits about yours.
>>96560100And yet here you are, in a dead thread, in a dark corner of a Malaysian woodworking forum. I've got plenty 40k stuff as well, since that's more your thing. Not too enthusiastic about the current state of 40k, if you couldn't tell. But that's what alternate rule sets are for.
>>96560123Well, I hope you find fruitful discussion on what you do enjoy. Personally, I've never gone into a historical games thread or oldhammer thread to kick their shit around and ruin their fun, all because they like something I don't. I don't see what motivates it, apart from being a prick. Because of that, and because you've given me the impression that you're a prick, I have no interest in making nice. Maybe I'm wrong? Who cares. I see you as a prick. That's all I have for you.
>>96560142I don't post as often in either of those as I should. Mostly other forums (/sp/, /k/), but haven't felt in the mood lately. /sp/'s gone downhill in quality. More interested in novel rulesets for 40k than Oldhammer. OPR's good (a lot better than it's given credit for by most on here), but not really what I'm after.
>>96559289RT IG were also generic space mans and they got rid of them in favour of 2nd edition's weird bunch of freaks.
>>96559289>their model lineThey do not have to delete their model line, just name the generic dudes after a different planet.
>>96559459I will now become a gue'vasa
remember the last time you had really memorable game or fun be honest now
