Jet Edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-2025>NewsThe 2025 Magic Con and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>96875967>TQFave hybrid mana card?
>>96883650Would AI art be better at this point, /mtg/?
>>96883660WHAT THE FUCK!!!! THIS LOOKS SO FUCKING SHIT!!!! WHO THE FUCK BUYS THIS FUCKING SHIT!!!!!!!!
>>96883660I don't think so there are many concepts in fantasy that are difficult to work with when creating AI images; but I would like to see what kind of slop they would be capable to print.
>>96883650>TQOne of my most favorite cards of all time
>>96883650>TQShadowmoor and eventide flavor was the best
>>96883660ITS OVER
>>96883650>TQ
>>96883889>IT'S OVERit's much more than over, anonwe are in the eschatological phase of this gameit has died, and now we await judgment
>>96883660I thought they would have found a better screenshot. Was this taken from one of those ancient web videos in 480p or something?!
>>96883928this is truly the zombie magic era
>>96883650Did Jet just die?
>>96883840>the subtle lighting around their right hand and shadow around the leftDeliciously subtle symbolism. You don't get stuff like this nowadays.
>>96883660Is this actually real or is it another fake?
>>96883944Of course it's fake. Why would a Magic card have a picture from another IP on it? You need to wake up, Anon.
>>96883932480p is all they have unfortunately.
>>96883936You know, it was really unclear.
>>96883660Could be worse.
>>96883976really? how?
>>96884006Could be Spider-Man
>>96883660Can't wait for the Marvel set next summer
>>96884064I'd run it
>>96884064We basically have that already. Complete and utter rubbish. Maybe you were referencing it.
>>96884100imagine a Dark Ritual with that faceit would look like a Hitler mustache
>>96884127here's a quick mockup
I'm gonna tie you to a radiator and grape you over and over (my storm count is very high)
>>96884194how are you making these?
>>96884064Hahahaha, good one
>>96884194can you make Thoughtseize with this?
>commander and draft are the only formats played at the game stores in my area aside from RCQs>online coommander babies screech “just come coom with us it’s the only format that fires anymore” with zero understanding of what makes magic fun to 60 card playersNo thank you. If my choices become either “play commander for fnm every week” or “quit playing magic entirely,” I would choose the latter. Luckily enough I enjoy drafting in person quite a bit
>>96884324it's something quick and dirty>removed the text with Gemini AI>got Belerent and Matrix Bold fonts>stich it all toguether with your preferred image editorvoilà
>>96883932protip: the show was mastered as 480p.
Can’t wait for the GI JOE and He-Man sets. At this point it’s like a Seth Green Guide To Memberberries
>>96883660which one do you prefer?
>>96884470This doesn't fit the Blasphemous Act card either, but at least it doesn't look cheap
>>96884470It REALLY should've used this scene which was right before the one they actually chose. It fits perfectly lore and flavorwise (pacifist breaks his code and kills a shitload of fire nation soldiers and himself as a last resort)
>>96884498I imagine they don't want flavour that necessarily references "a fr*ckin genocide you chud"
>>96884100>>96884194God is fucking awful… I can’t understand how someone can be hyped for this garbage.
go forth and make your own
>>96884505It's a pretty integral part of the series, you know with the title being The Last Airbender
>More free red manaWhat the fuck?
>>96883660What the fuck
>>96884532This shit is so bad why did I have to go and look
WotC is scrapping the bottom of the barrel so hard they will eventually reach China
>>96884541You mean Japan
anyone care to recreate this one with the keyframe?
>>96884530PUMP IT
>>96884513cant do frameless on mtg design
Nebraska status?
>>96884570of course you canbut you may need to download the complete version, rather than the standard or the lite one
>>96884553quick and dirty,
kakegurui set next
>>96884532why did they trace the fucking spongebob ones but not these? lemme guess. nick forced them to but the requirement slipped from this collab and wotc always does what is cheapest because the bar is so low for pigs
>>96884585what's the name of the frame?
>>96884661take a wild guess
Does it see play in Modern?
>>96884634Because they realized they can just cheap out
>>96884596
>>96884634Paramount is notoriously really cheap when it comes to offering things for tie-ins.
>>96883840>>96883925Great taste, guys.
thread question:
>>96883650Is there a single format where competent decks are built around a solid gameplan of the most efficient versions of generic spells, instead of being built on a few unique cards with busted interactions? Pretty much the only thing close to it is pauper and it still feels like every deck is a borderline combo deck. I haven't seen something like, just running a bunch of undercosted red/white vanilla creatures, in years.
>>96885051... that's RDW.
>>96885089>vanilla creaturesRDW is filled with some of the most pushed creatures of all time
>>96885051low powered cube I guess
I used to have a lot of hype for every new set… What happened guys?
>>96885169too many sets, it feels pointless to get excited about something when the next one comes out like the following month
>>96885169Permanent spoiler season leads to slop fatigue.
>>96885186That and every set being the same, they just recycle the same design over and over again just slapping the set mechanic onto it.
>>96885169>I used to have a lot of hype for every new set… What happened guys?Greed happened.In an effort to suck more profits out of people, everything good about the game was sacrificed. Everything was turned into a FOMO trap. Focus testing consumed and obliterated all artistry. Production cycles got crushed to their absolute minimum, resulting in recycled designs where every set is just the same 10 god forsaken fucking archetypes over and over again, because they don't have time to produce anything but the absolute most cookie cutter low-effort slop possible.The list goes on.MTG not a game anymore. It is a vehicle for Hasbro profits.
>>96885051Draft
>>96885298There has not been a single even remotely good draft format in years. Every fucking format is generic, repetitive slop.>"But I am a pig, and I eat slop!"Yes we know.
>>96885131Goblin Guide is literally a staple in even Legacy burn and is just a vanilla 2/2 with haste, it's only non evergreen keyword ability is a downside that benefits the opponent which is how "cheap" creature bodies with good stats have been made since fucking Alpha Burn is the most honest and straightforward archetype in Magic history. You're just trying to do an average of three damage per card so you can kill the enemy in seven cards. This deck is ~$100 and beats multi thousand costing legacy combo decks at tournamentshttps://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7345737#paper
>>96885303> competent decks are built around a solid gameplan of the most efficient versions of generic spellsAnon literally asked for the most generic gameplan format
>>96885305>vanilla >with haste
>>96885312And draft isn't what he asked for. Nothing in limited is about "Generic spells".Every nuMagic limited format is just forcing signpost uncommons and praying you crack broken mythics.
>>96885316Are you gonna call Serra Angel not a vanilla creature because it has flying and vigilance?
>>96885325>Nothing in limited is about "Generic spells"Nigga...
>>96885294>MTG not a game anymore. It is a vehicle for Hasbro profitseverything must converge into an IP amalgam like Fortnite
>>96885328Read the rest of the post, retard.
>>96885316it's called French vanilla
>>96885303Final Fantasy was literally top 10 draft formats of all time.
>>96885349>Final Fantasy was literally top 10 draft formats of all time.When swimming in a sea of diarrhoea, an island of shit looks good.FIN was fucking trash mate. You're just viewing it through shit tinted glasses.
>>96885303I thought final fantasy draft was alright and I haven't played a mainline FF game in years
>>96885330Fortnite isn’t even a good financial model to copy anyway. It’s just another online shooter for high school kids to grief each other with over cringe memes and Halo2 behavior.
>>96885360Nope, it was actually a great set and not just in recent memory, it was great in general.
>>96885369>Fortnite isn’t even a good financial model to copy anyway.Try convincing a corporate stooge that knows nothing about gaming that.
>>96885381Keep coping, mate. FIN was fully generic and not interesting at all. AT BEST you could call it middling. At worst, it was an unbalanced trashfire with zero unique designs.
One would stupidly hope that years from now when UB has majority polluted Magic that JOTC simply creates another format for only UB.
>>96885538>One would stupidly hope that years from now when UB has majority polluted Magic that JOTC simply creates another format for only UB.It really was that simple. Instead of infesting Standard, just make a sanctioned UB-only format.
>>96883650TQ
>>96883650>TQused to love surprise sinkhole cantrip
>>96885543>"Hey, new players, come play our game. It has those characters you like. No, you can't play with the existing players with those cards, fuck you."
>>96885920Yes, UB was a bad idea from the start, thus every idea that could be employed to "save" it is bad.
>>96885538just make them silver border and then make silver border legal in commander since those are the people buying it all anyways
>>96883650>Terrorist who tries to kill a entire village of civilians>Not black
>>96886105He's the Peoples' Terrorist, anon.
>>96886105Zealous fanaticism is white, anon. He's arguably tertiary black but red/white is a perfectly valid combo for him as a reckless fanatic to a cause.
>spider man draft was so bad they were forced to put up real cube draft on Arena Limitedchads always win
>>96886126Selfishness is black though, and his motivation was entirely selfish.
>>96886105Boros not caring about collateral damage when it's for a good cause is completely on brand for the color identity, this is literally the "kill them all and let god sort it out" combo
Commander is the problem, but Universes Beyond. The broken designs exist to appeal to Commander players, and they can't test them properly because they have to release so many products. What sort of fluff they have on the front of the card is basically irrelevant. They are printing Modern level threads with Standard level removal
>>96886135he's not doing it to enrich himself of personally benefit, he's doing out of the emotional desire for revenge in retaliation against the fire nation for invading, that's a Red motive not a Black one. "Some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make" fits White just fine. Elesh Norn is fucking mono-white. Dying for what is perceived as a good or noble cause is still white. Black is violence or cruelty for its own sake, but Jer isn't a vampire killing a bunch of people for food or because he's bored
>>96886135To an extent, but the point of Jet is that he had a perfectly righteous cause but was narrow-mindedly about it to the point of not caring about collateral. He's selfish, sure, but I wouldn't call that his core trait compared to him being a dangerously reckless devotee.
I've been playing a variation of these rules for kitchen table with my wife, and it's the best time I've had with the game in years. I want to adapt it for a larger coverage of sets and years, but balance is hard to come by with any massive card pool.How would you adapt this ruleset to a more modern-esque card pool? Would leaving it with the same card pool and B&R list as modern work? Would a pioneer-like card pool work?What about a "mini standard" where card pool consists of only the most recent years worth if sets, and the oldest set rotates out on it's yearly anniversary?
>>96886143>Modern threatsTry Vintage lmao.The 1-drop has to make more value than Sol Ring but lord forbid removal improves because that would yuck their yum. Force of Will is on their naughty list for being feelsbad but Tamiyo can go in any deck!
>>96886260Does infinite mean you get to play infinite Llanowar elves? Or is it infinite commons with 4 of each individual card?If it's the second, I don't see why the ban/restricted-list would have to be different than whatever constructed format you're closest to. Maybe look at the pauper banlist for particularly powerful commons.
>>96886135Different kind of selfishness
>>96886392>Does infinite mean you get to play infinite Llanowar elves?Yes. Like in limited, where copies of a card have no max limit beyond what you can acquire, you have no limit to a deck built entirely of commons other than that it cannot have less than 40 cards. If you want to run 999 grizzly bears and no land, you can.
>>96883650>TQCan't wait for this to become a green card soon.>But green can return creature cards from graveyard to hand, sometimes after they've died this turnYeah, sure bud.
>>96886771Who besides commander players gives a shit?
>>96886771>Can't wait for this to become a green card soon.But it's already a green card
>>96886804Not me, anymore. I'm now no longer touching commander with a 10-foot pole, which is a shame because it's the only format my sister plays.
If a human creature has protection from black and/or zombies would they still die when dealing damage to Mikael's controller? Not sure how protection interacts with triggered abilities.
>>96885169Everyone being too negative.
>>96885169UB has me wondering why I still play
>>96886846you're not targeting, so they should die
>>96886853>Everyone being too negative.I WONDER WHY!
>>96886853>Everyone being too negative.WHAT COULD HAVE CAUSED THIS?!
>>96885169loses its appeal when its every other month and half the cards are just slightly powercreeped versions of old cards and the other half is pushed commander garbage
>>96886973Is this a real card? WTF?
>>96887051No that's a fake alter.This is the real card.
>>96887062This is the real card indeed.
>>96886829If someone truly enjoys magic they will enjoy draft. I honestly believe that no magic player can hate a good draft. Buy some bulk commons to make a 90 card cube and have fun that way.
Aren't you all ashamed that you aren't even giving UB a chance? Wizards worked really hard to obtain fun* and interesting* IPs to work with!
>>96887146KELLY DOES IT AGAIN!
>>96886846Remember DEBT
>>96886962
>>96885239Modern sets have plenty of issues but let's not pretend that basic colour effect + set mechanic hasn't been a big part set design since the late 90s/ early 2000s
>>96885169Is like that Incredibles movie…When you make everything “super” nothing really is… See this schedule, what hype could i have for Strixhaven knowing i have TMNT in between? Or for Fracture after dealing with more Capeshit? And let’s not talk about this rhythm is literally more than 1 sets each two months…This game is cooked and hyped died.
>>96887146is this man, dare i say it… BASED?
>>96886771What the fuck are you guys schizoing out about now?
>>96886962>This is a real cardHoly shit! I've been away from mtg for a while. What in the name of fuck happened?!
>>96886771
>>96887369The inevitable progression of capitalism.
>>96887400This one is sure to blow anon's mind.
>>96887369Imagine if JOTC decided to hire a handful of 60 year old retards from the custom card maker general and gave them free rein to make entire sets and alternate skins of any IP available. And then infuse them with FIRE design on top. That’s what’s been happening.
>>96887272>Star trekI mean I'll play it for free using mtg forge against bots. Don't @ me I'm fucking bad at the game and can only win against retarded AI
>>96887402It is going to be interesting listening to Cocks trying to downplay UB at the 2026 Q4 investor call after his performance on 2025's.
>>96886771>>96886804Do commander players even play the game? Green has been returning stuff from the graveyard to hand for ages. You already have these cards in your format lol.
>>96887369Two words mate:UNIVERSE BEYONDthe true Magic Killer.
>>96887518>the true Magic KillerWotC only read the first 3 words
>>96883650That's a cool mono-red and mono-white card
>>96883660This looks like a card you’d get in a 2002 fast food movie themed kids meal
>>96887400>>96887417Why settle for just one?
>>96887564Yes, it is - under current design principles.Every issue that commandertards have with hybrid mana is an issue with FIRE design and straight-to-eternal sets (i.e. commander sets) destroying the color pie.
>>96887674I refuse to play with any card printed past 2008. I call my personal format Pre-Mythic.
>>96887806>Missing out on InnistradI miss the early 2010s before the woke mind virus took over. Imagine if they didn't get so buck broken over Trump. We could have had a golden age.
>>96887806Surely the Lorwyn planeswalkers are banned (as honorary mythics), right?
>>96887814Nope, Innistrad was a shit block.>>96887817Yes.
>>96887814>official cards with marked backs so you have to put a proxy in your deck and then use the "real" card as a tokenhow many cocks did you suck this morning?
i wish made up constructed formats were as popular to share as made up limited formatslike i dont care about cultivating a healthy premodern scene in my community, and then carefully tuning my deck for the next 30 years while debating whether or not anything needs to be bannedi just want to see a collection of cards that some dude on the internet thinks might make for a good constructed format, play it with my brother every weekend for a month, and then move on to the next one like with cubes
>>96887117Do you happen to have any pointers on how to design a good winston cube?
>>96887117I did two drafts with her and her decks barely functioned. I tried giving her advice and sources she could've used, but she never figured it out. I originally tried getting her into Magic back in the mid-2010s, but she didn't care for it. She only started playing when her boyfriend gave her a Fallout commander deck.
>>96887966Then she doesn't enjoy Magic
>>96887402What an odd thing to say...
>This one is sure to blow anon's mind.>Do commander players even play the game?Yes I know Regrowth is a card. Not sure why I assumed non-commander players would care about the color pie, the best card in standard is an Izzet card that makes basically infinite mana based on its power.
>>96887971She's spent $500 building 3 different decks since then and shows up to every limited event her co-workers host. I'm honestly not sure what to make of it.
>Yes I know Regrowth is a card.ok so what's the problem
>>96887988>return to your hand ALL creature cards in your graveyard that were PUT THERE FROM THE BATTLEFIELD this turn.For the record, I also consider Creeping Renaissance a heavy color bend/break.
Enough of this UB discussion, thoughts on my innistrad block constructed deck? Should I fit geist honoured monk somewhere?
>>96888002What color pie are you even defending if you're going to ignore all the prior cases? When the fuck did they say green can't do that?
>>96887975If commander players care so much about the color pie, why arent the planeshifted cards banned?
>>96884530>this was meant for the same standard as monstrous rage
>>96888016>praetor>evil counseling thematically and mechanically black card
>>96888016>>96888035Okay, I guess we're still doing this. Yes, I also hate Praetor's Counsel. Also not a fan of All Suns' Dawn, but at least green is the easy color-fixing color.>if you're going to ignore all the prior cases?Your points are irrelevant to me. If they printed 5 edict effects with little to no changes in green over the next 5 years, would you not consider that a color pie break?Look, if you think the color pie doesn't matter that's fine. I just hope you guys don't start complaining when monored or any other monocolor deck starts getting tons of broken hybrid cards that it can slot in without consequence.
I wonder how long until they officially kill Standard and Limited.
exhaustive list of all cards in the game that are NOT color pie breaks:blue - counterspellred - shockgreen - war mammothwhite -black - zombify
>>96887937That does sound fun. Maybe mix a few sets you like and have similar mechanics.
>>96888072this is nothing like a green edict you absolute schizochanging the volume and conditionality of an effect that a color normally gets is not a break, it is a bendrares get bends, and always haveif you don't like that, don't play an eternal format
>I am forgotten...
>>96888119Shoving loot into a woodchipper...
>>96888103>this is nothing like a green edict you absolute schizo>changing the volume and conditionality of an effect that a color normally gets is not a break, it is a bendIt's gonna be really funny when they powercreep this card.>But this is fine since it's flying and noncreature, nonland permanents!"{1}{B/G}..."
>>96888094i mean going further than thatit feels like every constructed format is based around legal sets, rather than legal cardsbut people have broken out of this framework for cubes, they just put together whatever they want, and i find that much more interesting
>>96888072>If they printed 5 edict effects with little to no changes in green over the next 5 years, would you not consider that a color pie break?These aren't exclusively new cards, these aren't exclusively old cards, these aren't one offs. You've apparently hallucinated a version of the color pie that says green can't do this, when it's been doing that shit the whole time. Why are you trying to conflate existing cards throughout the history of the game with "over the next 5 years" as if this is some new development? If breaks happen elsewhere, then that'd be bad, sure. But this isn't one of them. Pick a better example if you want to actually show people the issue with this hybrid color shit.
>>96888133this card is a color pie breakit's also not the card we were talking about, and also not a hybrid card
>>96888143>You've apparently hallucinated a version of the color pie that says green can't do thisNo, I'm remembering a version of the color pie that says green can't do this WITHOUT restrictions. Tons of cards can do stuff in other colors with massive restrictions. Now it seems like they wanna give none of the colors restrictions because they don't think the colors matter anymore.>Why are you trying to conflate existing cards throughout the history of the game with "over the next 5 years" as if this is some new development?Because WotC has been doing it for decades and it used to piss people off, and now it seems like no one cares because no one cares about the game anymore. I remember a former pro telling me they were pretty pissed about Beast Within and I never really understood it at the time.
>>96888152>this card is a color pie break>it's also not the card we were talking about, and also not a hybrid card>mfwThey're all the same to me, Anon, I don't know why you have a problem with it. They've printed multiple versions of this sacrifice effect in green, so clearly it's just part of the color pie!
>>96888119>In his quest for a real (fake) family, Jace found a cute mascot creature deep in the vault of a Texas-like plane where diverse cowboys (Indian included) colonize cacti>The creature whispered to Jace: "Breasts" and immediately he understood. No, it does not the need milk from a well endowed bosom. It wants the BREASTS themselves. "Masectomy Rat", he named the little gremlin. Together they shall stride the multiverse and rid it of heteronormative evils.>But alone Jace is too weak ... and his child Loot was dealt an almost fatal blow by his greatest rival, Fleem. Where will Jace find this help?>Beyond the veils Jace hear a call. The greatest and most woke forces he has ever seen ... from Universes Beyond.>He knew what he had to do. To tear down the veils. Even if it means offering his most treasured real (fake) son, Loot.>to be continued in Reality Fracture
>>96888193But Jace and Vraska are canonically rawdogging every chance they get
>>96888164>I'm remembering a version of the color pie that says green can't do this WITHOUT restrictionsSurely you can find somewhere this rule has been stated, yeah? Because you've been shown cards from throughout the entire history of the game where green has done this. Not to mention that gleancrawler has multiple restrictions (creatures that died this turn). The only upside compared to existing cards is that it's easily repeatable, the downside being it's easily killed.
>>96888210>having sex without the intent to have a biological childIt's woke
>>96887851>>96887853Innistrad was peak mtg. Idgaf fuck you.
>>96888177>They've printed multiple versions of this sacrifice effect in green, so clearly it's just part of the color pie!literally half of the monogreen cards that can make an opponent sacrifice a nonland permanent have been printed in the FIRE erathis is in fact not comparable to returning multiple cards from the graveyard
>>96888253Can't find the story but they were canonically trying for a kid, they just couldn't because humans and gorgons are apparently incompatible.
>>96888275Don't worry Jace is making a Multiverse where they are biological compatible.Reality fracture will be the fanfiction set where all fanfiction tropes come to life.
>>96888164>Beast WithinThere's maybe four monogreen cards total that do something similar and all the others were from before they solidified the color pie. How is that the same scenario?
People praised Ixalan for making Jace no longer an edgelord but it made him insufferably omega beta and that's what you're seeing now.
>eternalfags crying about muh color pieholy shit just play block constructed if you care so much about things never changing
>>96888348We should abolish every format except for original ravnica block constructed
>>96888363*invasion block constructed (but also ban disrupt like yeah it's not some sort of autoinclude autowin but damn is it irritating)
>>96888075Limited only existed to give them plausible deniability to fill packs with chaff. Universes Beyond making all cards desirable for collectors does away with its reason of being.
>>96888035Color identity, not color pie
>>96888363Based.
>>96887951For low power, I would just make five 40 card mono color decks and split them almost down the middle, taking a random 14 non-land cards from each. Add 10 dual color uncommons or rares that point to specific archetypes you want to enable, 4 artifacts, 6 random dual lands for a total of 90 cards. Combo decks kinda struggle to be created but some good synergies can be built into it. I like the small size for focus on individual card quality, but you can also follow similar principles for 180, 360, etc cubes.>>96887966Two player draft can be rough. I like Winston drafts because they force both players to use an almost even card pool to reduce variance.
>>96888480This flavor text is hilarious on a 1/1
>>96888489>Two player draftAt that point I’d just do sealed with my normal cube or if I want to spend money whatever the current slop is.
>>96888520>or if I want to spend money whatever the current slop is.I mean two player sealed is also great. I have no shame about playing EOE sealed
>>96888498Just put 5 mana into him and he is no longer a 1/1
>>96884530>>96884546She's growing into a real feet queen
>>96888119Good.
>>96888257Where is Steve Argyle when we need him most?
>>96888755Doing Alchemy.
>>96888765(I'm also aware he drew some Spider Tits, but still...)
>>96887458>Do commander players even play the game?unironically no.they pick a legendary (usually from a top 10 or top 100 list), then throw in the same ~20 mana rocks and ramp and goodstuff artifacts they run in every single list, then they throw in a bunch of lands they don't understand the purpose of but were told are good or read a list of, then they scroll through the 20 most popular cards on EDHrec for their commander and add everything in even if they're used for conflicting archetypes, and then finally they will start adding in cards to finish the count. The best format for having an understanding of the color pie and a card's role in a deck and thinking about what kind of mana curve/play patterns you want with a deck is Limited/Draft, the absolute worst is EDH. Since most new players are going straight to EDH despite it being a 4-player format originally played by Judges who already knew the game inside and out, new player competence and skills at fundamental Magic has never been lower
>>96888290I mean, isn’t that quandrix gorgon from the upcoming lorwyn and strixhaven art almost guaranteed to be their kid, and the whole thing with reality fracture is that either she only exists because Jace ‘fixes’ things, and maybe she has to beg him not to create her future because it’s awful for most people, or maybe she’s going back to prevent him from ‘fixing’ things, since that ‘fix’ erases her from time and she doesn’t want that?I don’t know, something along those lines. The only thing that can stop Jace is his family, yadda yadda feel good.
>>96888765Digital slop that you can't pawn off to another pig when you're done with it? OINK OINK. I'M GOING TO EAT IT UP!
>>96888954he should use better slop equivalent. besides being delicious baked beans have fucking cinnamon and brown sugar in them among other stuff, it's like the polar opposite of what you'd actually feed to a pig and it's merely a symptom of our unprecedented wealth and abundance nowadays that it's considered comfort food.fuck now I'm hungry for barbecue
>>96888363The only real MTG is old school MTG.
>>96888979>delicious baked beansFound the bongaloid. As an American pig farmer, I would never eat that slop. I feed it to my pigs instead. Then I later eat the pigs.
>>96888990You don't even own a property.
>>96888990british baked beans are totally different than American ones, american ones are sweet and served as a side dish alongside barbecue or pulled pork or similar, British baked beans are savory and covered in tomato sauce and served on toast at breakfast. I'm not a fan of British baked beans but southern style is great alongside other classics like cornbread
>>96888990You don't even live in a southern state, do you?
>>96888990To quote Red from That 70s Show:>Kitty, this isn't food! This is what food eats!
>>96889027More cope by pigs who eat slop. >>96889028I wouldn't know. I don't eat slop. Beans are slop. Literally either pig food or food eaten by beaners.>>96889029Of course not. I'm not black.
>>96887458> hand for agesRegrowth was first printed in alpha, the anon you quoted is litteraly malding that a green card is doing what green has been doing since 1993
>>96889076bro for most of human history spices were literally worth their weight in gold, nobody is feeding fucking pigs brown sugar and molasses and cinnamon. Half the time southern style baked beans literally have bacon bits in them too, they're not pig food they're food made from pigs If pic related doesn't look good I highly encourage you to expand your culinary horizons
Someone should ask /ck/ about this retarded discussion
>>96889132>are pig feed. Only eaten by destitute peasants out of necessity rather than out of choicethe beans used in southern style baked beans are a new world crop that weren't even introduced to europe until "peasants" basically didn't exist; if anything the only ones able to first try new world foods were the wealthy and influential.like I can tell you're probably a dumb europoor trying to be smug here but it's not working because you don't even know wtf you're talking about
>>96889215Stop engaging with the legume hater who has no concept of the culinary arts. He just wants to confirm his biases, not have a discussion.
>>96888912I feel like her existing as an adult implies one of 3 things.1. The reality she comes is an alternate dimension where everything Jace believes is good happens so Jace and Vraska met as teenagers and started a family early on.2. She's from the future. She is either trying to prevent her existence or insure her existence. According to Strixhaven lore the Archaics are Strixhaven Oracles who are sent back in time as Archaics with all their knowledge and reality changes to make it seem as if they always existed. This could be why she's at Strixhaven.3.Lorwyn will begin another huge twenty year time skip. The Lorwyn natives would aged 60 years but elves are the only species with a confirmed lifespan of 40-50 years so maybe the others can live to 100 making Brigids appearance appropriate.
why did they even print waterbending if they were going to overcost it on literally everything
>>96889326probably there is a waterbending cheat mechanic in the set probably tui and la
>>96889326Is it? Looking at this one, drawing a card as an ability with no frills usually costs 4, and waterbend being convoke + improvise adding 2 on top of that makes sense given those usually added 1 or 2 to their costs as well.
>>96885349according to someone who has been playing for 11 or fewer sets
>>96889343No, according to long time drafters such as myself and numerous other people who actually play the game (note that this category obviously excludes you).
>>96886853if anything people are not being negative enough anon
>>96886105>>96886126>>96886137>>96886150>>96886152Jet IS black(no seriously, he does an objectively evil act in betrayal of his friends. he's more attached to the idea of enacting his catastrophe than his belief system. he is a symbol of the corrupting power of war.)
>>96889050he was saying that about some health food vegetarian salad, Red is the exact kind of guy to see nothing wrong with eating a shitton of barbecue baked beans >>96889326It's convoke+improvise as a single keyword, I find it extremely hard to believe that there won't be at least one dumb and busted interaction especially since it feels like every single year there's more ways to vomit out endless artifact tokensI'll still stand by the idea that "food" and "blood" shouldn't be fucking artifacts to begin with.
>>96883650>5 mana 3/1 >Does nothing on an empty board>Maybe removes 1 creature on an opponent's board depending on your board state
>>96889401I guess one problem is there's not a good permanent type for tokens besides artifact but I still hate it. Food tokens should be Green or be a counter you put on lands or some shit, Blood tokens should be Black or be a counter that goes in creatures. With all the dumb emblems and side cards needed to play the game like monarch/dungeon/initiative/attractions/stickers/whatever surely there's a way to make it so "your vampire has a pile of blood" and "your hobbit has a bunch of pie" isn't letting Mirrodin affinity decks cast everything for free. Clue tokens being artifacts was the only one I didn't really mind since it's literally finding actual physical items like a murder weapon or whatever, professor plum killed Mr. Boddy in the dining room with a candlestick etc
i hate predefined tokens
>>96885169By the time the newest set comes out the next set has been fully revealed and the set after is starting preview season and the set after that has started teaser season and the set after that has started revealing its art and 3 new Secret Lairs have been revealed crossing over with the latest popular thing and each Secret Lair has secret unrevealed cards that are being revealed on twitter and and and and and and and It's a nonstop torrent of content.
>>96889402yeah paying one mana for that at sorcery speed seems dog shit no matter how you slice it. X fights Y is a 1 mana card, deal 2x creatures to Y at instant speed is 2 mana on thraben charm with graveyard hate as additional utility. He'd need to deal like 5x number of creatures as damage to be considered using, the effect can't hit face idk why they were so conservative with it
>>96889409Enchantment wouldn't be the worst option. It isn't as if there aren't enchantments representing weirder things than food or blood. Even if it didn't make the most sense, it'd still be better for the game to not have literally every random token they come up with be an artifact just for the sake of avoiding more synergy.
>>96884690I already loved this card. I never expected avatar to make it better. Thank you anon.
>>96889388Black is not the evil color. Betrayal is more red than it is black, if only because black struggles to make alliances even to betray them.
>arguing about the lore accuracy of UB cardsKill yourselvesI played 82 card 4c DnT at Legacy today. We had the largest turnout we've had in the past several years with 20 players; it could've been even even a little higher but a couple of regulars didn't attend.2-1 UB Tempo1-2 Mystic Forge0-2 Hive Mind2-0 RUG Delver2-1 Birds Tribal2-0 BRW Energy6th place overall, but prizing is only top 4 unfortunately. The forge player ended up 2nd and the Hivemind player ended up 1st somehow. Against forge I had a perfect opening hand in game 1 with Ouphe, Phantom and flicker effects OTP, mulled to 4 in game 2 and died quickly, then game 3 lost to him Karning for a Liquimetal Coating and turning off my forest, my only green source in play/hand, then I fetched Shadowy Backstreet and saw an Ouphe on top with no way to cast it. He untapped on 1 life from Ring and put a Paradox Engine into play. Hive Mind crushed me; I Pyroblasted a Brainstorm after Thoughtseizing him and seeing he had nothing going on - Ponder, 2 Pact of the Titan and some lands taking ponder - then he drew into Stock Up and Hive Mind and I had no way to address either.The extra colours functioned surprisingly well and I only had trouble with the manabase once, apart from the surveil described above. Even Grist was relevant, and the deck overall recieved alot of bemused comments. For context, Forge and Cloudpost are quite popular at my LGS, and I am quite wary of Nadu which is somewhat popular and would like a way to fight it on the stack.
>>96889099original mtg was the best. this is such great card design.
Post silly cards you actually enjoy
>>96889714giant enemy crab
>>96889714I wish this wasn't so expensive
>>96889596>Black is not the evil color.scryfall is free to look at if you ever want to see how wrong you arehttps://scryfall.com/search?q=name%3A%2F%5Cb%28evil%29%5Cb%2F&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
>>96889714
>>96889758Homie?
>>96889112Anon... Pigs eat everything. People even feed dead humans to pigs.Pigs will eat other animals and pig meat.>>96889758God I miss good mtg>>96889773Other colors are allowed to have evil but black is the ultimate evil color. The color pie roleplay/aspects are all things villains like.Also don't post commander cards as evidence. You could have posted Konda (the main villain was actually an white creature) or Baral (paget elitist who oppress the poor) or Nissa (green elf hittler) or Eron (cool red bandit overlord)
>>96889854>Other colors are allowed to have evilEnd of line.
>>96889371Yo is that Cable from Mahvel 2? I 'member that one. Hyper Viper Beam!(Fuck Marvel comics, fuck modern-day Capcom, but man MVC2 was good back in the day).
>>96889326They've been really pushing "tap your own creatures" effects a lot the last few sets. Shame they haven't really done anything interesting with it and is really only used to abuse Kona
Remember when this nigga saw play?
>wtf why isn't he black when he's evil???
I've made an angel deck and started demolishing everybody after a few changes. Is this a fluke or is the mmr system really bad. Talking about the vidya version btw
>>96889963I remember thinking original Ixalan/Eldraine era was so powercrept but fuck they really went off the rails recently
99% of black cards have some variant of evil, pain, disease, murder, death, defilement etc in their titleBut black is not inherently evil no
>>96890097Black is very often evil because it's the death/ambition color but that doesn't mean all evil is black. You can be an evil motherfucker and be in white or red or even green. Nahiri genocided two universes while she was in Boros.
>>96890097>But black is not inherently evil noThat's because it's a fantasy game
>>96890097Evil is not inerently restricted to any color. All colors have their variety of evil.Black evil is self-interested or sadistic evil. A murderer for hire, a serial killer, a corrupt ruler, a bandit and highwayman.Red evil is impulsive and passionate. The kind of person who does what he feels like and takes as he pleases. He does not consider the consequences, while Black believes the price to be worth paying. The rage-consumed berserker who massacres his enemies. The jilted lover who plans a murder-suicide.White evil is the evil of order and ideals. The tyrant who is convinced it is for his subjects' own good or who the idea of the nation as something to be held above its people. The man who sees the world one way and destroys anything that would impede his vision with extreme prejudice.
How is my draft deck looking?>1 Ahriman>1 Combat Tutorial>1 Demon Wall>1 Fight On!>1 Ice Flan>2 Iron Giant>2 Jill, Shiva's Dominant>1 Namazu Trader>1 Ninja's Blades>1 Quistis Trepe>1 Retrieve the Esper>2 Scorpion Sentinel>2 Sephiroth's Intervention>1 Sidequest: Hunt the Mark>1 Summon: Bahamut>2 Summon: Shiva>1 The Regalia>1 Vayne's Treachery>9 Islands>8 Swamps
>>96890136>2 jillyou'll be fine
>Try out dredge guy's phoenix dredge list yesterday>has a bunch of weird 3-of choices but whatever>went 3-1 against a field of quantum diddler blink decks>only lost to energy because he curved outI think he's on to something with this shit. The mainboard inquisition of kozilek was spicy, but it helped a shit ton against 90% of the field. Still not a fan of the weird 3 ofs im sure theres room for improvement.
You now remember Dark Confidant is in Standard.
>>96890163It is, and I'll be running it in my midrange deck the SECOND they ban vivi
>>96889343Anecdotal evidence but I know a guy who's been playing for 20+ years and drafts almost every single week for as long as anyone can remember at my LGS and he told me that he can't remember the last time a draft format was as much fun as Final Fantasy was.
>>96890136You'll be fine, but surely you have something better than those 2 iron giants?
>>96890192>Stolen uniform>Instant ramen>Juka stadium>Sidequest card collection>Water crystal>Prima vistaThose are the options. I got a lot of crap cards that weren’t in my colors.
>>96890213Card Collection is a no brainer, take out one of the iron giants for that one. As for the other either keep it or sub for an instant ramen, it's whatever at that point.
>>96890217Yeah good point. Probably better, I thought I didn’t have the right spells to flip but I do have the sephiroth removals and regalia. Already started so I can’t change my deck but will sideboard after each game 1.
I was going to do some fan art of some magic the gathering cards, but it dawned on me.Wizards of thr Coast lays the hammer down on that quickly, dont they?
>>96890283I mean no? It's just not a common thing for the community for some reason.
>>96890283They don't but when you make anything worthwhile (like commander and dandan formats) they cease and monetize it.
>>96889326Note that in most cases you can also tap the creature the effect is on as part of the cost, so you can read most of them as 1 less.
>>96889326I like it. It lets them put all these stupid flashy effects in the cards.
>>96889963I'm sad that this is the closest we have got to FTK in standard.
Kaladeshian Street Food VendorGB2/2When this creature enters, create a Food tokenWhenever you sacrifice an artifact token, each player gets a Poison counter.
>>96890283No? I'm not sure I've ever heard of that happening.
>>96890531>KaladeshianIt's Avishkarian now chud
>>96890731That's...Boring.
Is this the Spiderman card game? Are they going to add the new batman soon?
What Magic card would make a good wallpaper?
>>96890788This is on my phone.
>>96890788I use this cutie pie for my phone's wallpaper.
>>96890764Make your own cool unique setting with cool cards and cool art that isnt bland unimaginative everyday retards wearing costumes if it's so easy.
>>96890731I had to literally look up to find out that's the name of the Northern Water Tribe city. I'm pretty sure in the actual show they use "Northern Water Tribe" interchangeably for the civilization and the city.
>>96890283It's just rare for whatever reason
>>96891035Main reason would be that nobody gives a fuck about the story, yes even the old lore. Also the amount of fan content made for any piece of media is directly correlated to how much porn you can squeeze out of it + how many women are a part of the community.
>>96890283Fan art is just oddly rare. I mean, I guess it's because people focus more on the game first rather than art; but aside from that, people just...don't really do it; not even kink art, which is bizarre since they could practically anything with it.
>>96891061I guess it's because the game already produces shitloads of art by itself so there's no real commission market? Like if you want a picture of Aurelia or Urza you already have plenty.
>>96891061>>96891066I feel like most of the fan content finds an outlet with custom cards and alters
>>96891066Fair enough, I suppose. But what if I want an oily (Phyrexian or not) handjob from Elesh artpiece as an example? It's not like that would be easy to find outside of commissioning it. I mean, the game's been around for decades and I refuse to believe that players aren't at least horny for at least one card.
>>96890832It's never actually named in the show, apparently.
>>96891134It's Thalia, it's precisely Thalia and that's about it for horny fanart.
>>96891103Yeah that's true. MtG's lack of movies or games means it has comparatively little ways to be a secondary; it's not like 40k where most fans have never touched a mini.So most fans are invested into playing the actual game one way or another, so even if they're Commander-only, they end up channeling their creativity into making card-related stuff.Also, famous internet artists get directly asked to make card art for MtG sometimes, don't they? So they end up making actual ingame art as opposed to fanart.And I do see MtG fanart here and there, it's just that most fanartists gather on Tumblr as opposed to Twitter or Reddit for some reason.
Wouldn't the boob edits count as fan art?
>>96891181No, they're just edits. We have boob edits for movies, comics and cartoons too. Same reason why drawing a mustache on a card isn't fanart.
>>96891134There's just not enough people who want that. Magic's lore has never been a selling point for the vast majority of people. One of the reasons Ravnica was so popular was because it gave color combos a faction identity, so people could feel like a part of X group and argue with Y group about things. But due to the multiverse setting you're never going to spend that much time with any particular character or even group, hence why they tried planeswalkers. Then they fucked that up too with shitty writing by trying to copy MCU with none of the charm.
>>96891223What charm?
>>96890792One of my favorite pieces along with the OG Descendants' Path
>>96891236You don't have to be a contrarian about it anon, early MCU was successful because a lot of people liked the formula.
>>96889984Villainess in colors:>WhiteIs evil or do evil things to help the others.Exemples:Konda, "General Kudro", Augustin IV>BlueIs evil or do evil things to gather knowledge or hold control on resources that can be used for knowledge or their objectivesExemples:Baral, Memnarch , Jace>BlackIs evil because of ambition or for the sake of itExemples:Crovax (vampire), Most Demons, Geth>Redis evil for the sake of doing cool things (chaos) (most of times they don't look evil)Exemple:Purphoros, Goddric, Maraxus >Greenis evil because they are woke or like to fuck plants/animals or have a "Survival of the Fittest" or tribal kinkExemple:Nath, Ezuri, NissaThere is just more Black Evil than evil in other colors.
Thoughts on formats with limits on the maximum number of rare/mrares in a deck?
>>96891498feels like pauper with extra steps
>>96891498It's shit, a lot of rare and mythics are too bad to be limited and for the one that are powerful enough to be you will just end up in a "who will draw his bomb first" scenario making the game even more swingy
Thoughts on top 8?
>>96891498Pauper spells are extremely efficient, most decks would be highly tuned existing pauper decks with one or two legacy playable finishers. Imagine pauper elves with green suns and craterhoof for example, or pauper reanimate with axtraxa and griselbrand.
>>96888257All the problems of modern MTG started with Innistrad>revolutionary card design. DFC and the metaphysical third side of the card.>first hat set. Gothic horror not as homage, but as references to pop culture (Doctor Jekyl, Invisible Man, Frankenstein, ect)Its success would inspire this with Theros, Ixalan, ect.>EDH panderingAvacyn Restored is the first "pushed for EDH" expansion. Last expansion to have good viable cards as prerelease promos.
>>96892024If you consider Innistrad to be where things started to go wrong then that means you had over 10 years to quit the game.
>>96888005Any thoughts?
>>96889714How long until we get a yugioh set?
>>96891853Standard has not yet reached its final form until Mono-Red beats Izzet. Then there will no longer be any need to ban Vivi.
>>96892340Actually the finals are on right now and it's cauldron mirror.
>>96892024>All the problems of modern MTG started with Innistradnah, it started with Battle for Zendikar>>revolutionary card design. DFC and the metaphysical third side of the card.This I accept as a good negative criticism >>first hat set. Gothic horror not as homage, but as references to pop culture (Doctor Jekyl, Invisible Man, Frankenstein, ect)False. Innistrad was normal Gothic Horror set with some homage to pop culture on a few cards. This is different than hat sets.As for Homages: almost no WotC set was fully unique and all had some kind of homage to other things.Wheatherlight saga was straightup StarTrek Meets Lord of the Rings.Eladamri is Elrond, Belbe is Arwen, etc...>Its success would inspire this with Theros, Ixalan, ect.And those set were somewhat good.>>EDH pandering>Avacyn Restored is the first "pushed for EDH" expansion.5 legendary creatures that were being named through the entire set showing up for a showdown = EDH panderingStop being delusional. This is nowhere near to the bullshit we have today and also having.If the "evidence" is about having too many legendaries then Mirage have 12, Tempest had 6.Lets compare to Invasion (the last block from the weatherlight saga)Invasion: 15 (the rest had less than 4 each)Now for Odyssey BlockOdyssey: 8Torment: 5Judgement: 4>Last expansion to have good viable cards as prerelease promos.That I agree. Prerelease Promos used to be cool, now they are just normal foils.
>>96892350So what you're saying is that Standard hasn't yet reached its final form and we can wait longer to ban Vivi
