>TQ
I was hoping Assassins would get more love, because they cost so much for not as much payoff.
As well, the rumor I heard about Alchemical Ammo getting +1 to damage rolls to deal with armor never came out to anything. My HL/Grail/Anti boys seem more or less satisfied, but they can post themselves.

>TQ
Errata already? And what’s with this stupid “add -1 die” instead of the more appropriate “apply -1 die”? And where’s the grimdark gone, it looks much more GW-ified than I expected.
I give it 8.5/10. Very good, not perfect. And can we PLEASE have an update on Carcass Front?

One of the best games that I've ever played, but the MAP they released is so WRONG that I shall never touch it again, and everyone working for TC should be killed. Upvote this if you agree.

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Slightly sad that flamethrowers seem weaker and that tank killers swords are down to 2

>>96916134
>TQ
Graphically it's nice, but content-wise I'm somewhat disappointed. The balance changes feel really weird, at least based on my experience. Pretty much all the units or weapons that felt borderline broken in our games have been left untouched. Things that were basically useless or didn't work well haven't received any buffs. Some things that were already quite strong got buffed for some reason and community has already found some quite broken ways to exploit those changes. On top of that a number of pretty glaring typos and mistakes have been discovered already despite the fact that they have been working on this thing for like half a year and almost none of the content inside is even new - and since physical books already went to print, those mistakes will almost certainly be in them.
I dunno, the game is good and my group has lots of great fun with it, but so far 1.0 made me somewhat lose faith in developers' competence honestly
The changes to campaign rules seem quite solid at the very least

>>96917221
>flamethrowers seem weaker
I've seen this, and that flamethrowers are broken good.
Which is it? What changed?

>>96916134
>TQ
I'm sad that my plan to have ranged heretic legionnaires armed with gas grenades who can then opt into melee with a pistol/trench club combo has been effectively invalidated since pistols now use the melee stat in melee instead of the ranged stat.

Back to the drawing board for what I wanna do...At least this happened before I put the order in for my heretics

>>96917249
Used to be that regular flamethrower did an automatic armour ignoring hit with -1DICE to injury, while the heavy flamethrower did an automatic armour ignoring hit with no penalty
Now the regular version still works the same I think, while the heavy version still has the -1DICE penalty, but scores 2 automatic armour ignoring hits instead.

In my book this is a major buff: having 2 or 3 armour decreases the chances that a model will be taken out of action a lot, so by extension any attack that ignores armour is also extremely useful. The -1DICE penalty can be easily cancelled by spending a blood marker from target, if they have any. Also, an elemental weapon with 2 automatic hits means 4 guaranteed blood markers against most targets

I kickstarted for a horseyarch set with every faction and all the extra "free" stuff. So far all I've gotten is the dice packs, haven't played anything yet, painting minis from other games. Still waiting... What should I paint next while I continue to wait? Battletech mechs? Temu DKK for 40k? Heroquest extras? Some xenomorphs and colonial marines? Some bolt action/GI Joes?

>>96917720
>Battletech mechs?
do it, try mac-attack if you want a different look at company scale combat,

>>96918017
>this really is just mordhiem again.

Yes and no. Tuomas’ fingerprints are clear on both, but where TC is a skirmish game with campaign-lite elements, Mordheim is a full campaign game. Diving charges, falling, charges, melee etc all functions similarly; TC has no parries and the melee combat is much less satisfying.
Let me put it this way, I like them both but for different reasons. I ran a 2-yr Mordheim campaign at one point, I don’t see TC having that kind of ‘stickiness’ which is a shame.

My prediction: TC V2.0 will lean much heavier into campaign play instead of tacking it on like an afterthought. Campaign games are just more satisfying, and no, 4-6 scenario missions chained together are not a ‘campaign’.

>>96918450
I believe the "Carcass Front" will be that sort of expansive/engaging campaign stuff.

>>96916134
>prosterities
Tuomas

>>96916134
>TQ
Keywording is nice, and equipment having 'abilities' is also very clean, but I feel like there should have been more changes? Especially to a few of the weaker factions/variants (cough grail cough)

Any idea which faction is getting plastic kit next?

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>>96919727
I would presume an evil faction, probably Heretic Legion if I had to guess. It would be cool if it was Naval Raiders, since they have a few designs out there now.

>>96919727
It's 100% gonna be heretic legion, and it'll likely be either the Naval Raiders or Trench Ghosts since they're currently the most fleshed out fluff wise and have the most art

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So what are the selling points of the rules? Don't mention the lore, aesthetic or minis - I'm asking solely about the rules, mechanics and gameplay. I want to know why I should play TC over any other skirmish game.

>>96919860
Why not just simply read the rules, Anon? They're right there.

>>96919903
Many rulesets look decent on paper but their actual execution sucks ass. There are mechanics that feel like pointless bloat when you read them for the first time but make much more sense once you actually play the game. Reading the rules explains the rules in many cases but hardly gives you a valid view on the actual gameplay.
If there are no good sides of the game you can name immediately then I have to assume it's shit.

Post Lust

>>96919860
Blood markers are a cool mechanic and make playing the game a worthy consideration; while seemingly uneffective and obtuse at first, they offer a whole host of tactical viability that you don't see often in other games. Being able to attack someone and then effectively gimp them out of doing certain actions by giving up the chance to kill them "for good" can lead to interesting decision making and makes EVERY model theoritically matter. Also lends itself well to list building; you can purposefully take weapons that inflict lots of blood markers but are worse "killing" weapons that you then have to plan around and utilise properly, and there is some weapons that can apply blood markers to your own guys; essentially risking them being one shot or debilitated in some way but with some kind of pay off like ignoring armour.

Some models like to have blood markers and even get buffed by them, some models get stronger from everyone having blood markers but not being dead; it's a flexibile system that acts as a good foundation for other cooler rules and isn't hard to wrap your head around.

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>>96919946

>>96919860
The sum total of your question is manipulative/dishonest. If you simply left it at the first part:
>So what are the selling points of the rules? Don't mention the lore, aesthetic or minis - I'm asking solely about the rules, mechanics and gameplay.
It would be fine. But instead of doing that, you sneak something in:
>I want to know why I should play TC over any other skirmish game.
What if the reasons to play it are lore, aesthetics and miniatures?

You have skipped ahead to a position of "the foremost reason to choose a skirmish game is the rules" without having to argue the validity of that position. Obviously a lot of people would question that position, so the least you could do would be to preface your question with a disclaimer: "I tend towards autism, and my sole interest in choosing a skirmish system is the gameplay. What about Trench Crusade might appeal to me?"

With that scolding out of the way, I don't think there's anything great about TC's mechanics or design lol. If you don't like the aesthetics you should choose another system.

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K, game is dead.

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>>96920519
>dead game!
>raise 3 million
>dead game!
>reaches completion
>dead game!
>switches to hard plastic kits
Keep whining, you utter faggot.

>>96920519
Yeah I don't have a Printer or know anyone who does. That shouldn't limit me from playing on a real table. I'm glad to see it.

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Hey all, noob here. Posted in another thread that wasn’t the general about moving over to TC from GW games, and just had a couple questions. Is the game models agnostic? I’m looking at Trench Pilgrims, Heretic Legions or Cult of the Black Grail and they all seem ripe for converting models. Also is the scale more or less heroic scale? Thanks for any answers, dudes.

Any game is model agnostic if you don't give a fuck enough.

>>96920550
TC is risen!

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>>96920635
>Is the game models agnostic?
100%. Kitbashing is encouraged by the developers.

>Also is the scale more or less heroic scale?
Either/or, really. The majority of people kitbash so it tends to skew a little more towards heroic scale because a lot of the kits being used are heroic or semi-heroic.

>>96920739
>100%. Kitbashing is encouraged by the developers.
for now

>>96920839
Oh go find something else to doompost about. Your shtick is old, and you're faggotry stale.

>>96920850
STL

>>96920519
What if I want to just buy the kits? What if I don't own a printer or don't want to print your dogshit Stl, huh? What then?

>>96920739
Nice. I was thinking of using Wargames Atlantic’s WWI Russians as a base for some Orthodox trench pilgrims, and there are a few options for Black Grail mutants.

>>96920858
And? They're still making models, just in a different material. A material that's easier to kitbash and convert with. And everyone's still not under, nor ever will be, any obligation to use them. You're trying to turn a non-issue into the fucking apocalypse you're still made that people don't like your faggot youtuber who got told to go be a faggot elsewhere. Final (You), you anus tonguing retard.

>>96920879
U mad fren?

>>96920933
>shits his pants on the bus
>people tell him to get off
>haha they mad
KYS

This shit is a cringe rugpull grift

>>96920519
This is it. I hoped it wouldn’t happen but it has. A crack in the founding pillars that made tc so promising has formed.
If tc goes to shit this point will be the official marker of when the rot began. I very badly want to be wrong though.

>>96923983
>plastic kits le bad
I hope you develop a malignant cancer very soon.

>>96924043
The game's online "community" is pure cancer, 28mag is cringeAF. 40k fans can be cringe AF but the online community for that is big enough to have space for edgelords, normies, dads and their kids, people who just like the models etc without so much retarded redd1t type gatekeeping

>>96924075
>uh muh unrelated retard shit though
Kill yourself faggot

>>96924043
Look at the price and quantity of a wargames Atlantic death fields infantry kit and then look at the official trench crusade plastic kit.
There’s no excuse or reasoning for such a high price that offers so little.

So Path of the Beast and Church of Metamorphosis are most likely getting rules down the road
What are some faithful factions they could do rules for alongside those

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>>96916134
I heard there's crazy drama going on inside the Trench Crusade Discord. I want to roll in the mud and wallow in the dirt, I want to know what's going on in there, how they're melting down in reaction to the, "no more STL" news

>>96920878
See
>>96918385

>>96924248
Why not join the discord yourself and report back then

>>96924240
Hebrew Knights are the one that is basically confirmed to appear at some points. Devs have also confirmed that Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth is coming, but I'm not sure whether that's supposed to be its own thing or just another Antioch variant. I think some Norse or Byzantine faction was also mentioned at some point

>>96924101
I want my dudes to be my own.

>TQ
Its a significant downgrade. Less choices due to assault changes, no risky charge, or choosing to be down or get up. Not to mention the absolute shit show of inconsistencies in regards to rulings ranging from such gems as
>saint meth anchorites being able to hotswap weapons
>8" anointed
>-4 homonculus due to how machine armor specifically says trench shields, and holy icon shield and fire shield are no longer classified as "trench shield"
>corruption belcher is an equipment type now
>gluttony can cause you to eat your dog since theyre equipment
>blast changes to make grenades stronger
>unlimited gas grenade wretched
>alchemists armor no longer works against any flame or gas item with ignkre armor
>fireteam change
>red brigade mercy dog nerf
This is just worse than 1.6.3 in every way.

>>96924248
K

>>96918450
>TC has no parries and the melee combat is much less satisfying.
DESU, Melee has bothered me a bunch in Mordheim and i have much more and much more recent experience with it.
Being able to have a guy packing a pistol and a whip for +2 strike first attacks is fucking kino but it feels kinda rough otherwise.
very swingy and that's fun in a narrative game, because sure you can have 3 attacks, ws 5 s6 (great weapon at initiative) and a 2 up save but you can still get dome'd by a peasant.
fucking hell i'm still mad about losing my questing knight that way.

>>96924571
And you should accomplish that by not using the official plastic kits given that they’re priced like warhammer models.

The official kits are most likely going to be gw tier priced if not worse if the first plastic kit is anything to go by.
Which is a real shame because from the kitbashing and 3d printing encouragement that made tc so appealing, this whole thing was supposed to be be an antithesis to gw’s shenanigans. But here we are seeing one of the founding appealing factors betrayed and so far it seems we’re giving ff a pass because they aren’t gw and small indie company.

>>96924075
What's wrong with 28mag, isn't it just mostly picutres of cool conversions?

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>>96925137

>>96919773
I love this design

>>96925007
Keep up retard, I’m talking about using 3rd party models.

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>tfw I gotta wait until February at least until I get my great hunger models

>backed the Kickstarter early
>Still waiting on anything to be delivered
>Keep emailing them every few months
>Just get told there's issues

I got scammed didn't I?

Alba lore yet?

For kitbashing do you guys have any recommendations for 32mm sprue manufactures?

>>96919727
Beasts

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>>96920519
>now have to pay $65 + tip for a single monster unit

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>>96925987
Or you can pay $10 and get something from reaper miniatures to kitbash instead. You 40kiddies not understanding the fact that you can use whatever minis you want is fucking bizarre.

>>96925469
And my post also talked about third party models. It is good that you’re focused on just using third party.
The best thing that can happen now is that the gw-tier priced models fail to sell well enough and that cancels future gw-tier priced models or forces factory fortress to act more reasonable and not make idiotic decisions like this in the future.
Unless the pricing is out of their control which I hope would be the case at this point as well.

>>96925700
Rugpull

>coolest unit is tank hunter
>no actual tank vehicles in the game

Wargames Atlantic:
>hard plastic injection moulded miniatures
>$40-50 for 20+ dudes
>free shipping worldwide

Factory Fortress:
>hard plastic injection moulded miniatures
>$50 for 8 dudes
>+ $35 shipping

what were they thinking? they've cultivated an anti-GW fanbase and they somehow thought everybody would forget or just wouldn't know that companies like WGA and Perry exposed the plastic price rort already.

>>96926523
>free shipping worldwide
ackshully
You need to hit the 75+USD amount in your shopping cart to get the free shipping worldwide.
And WGA infantry kits don't come with bases.
This doesn't change that they're still a better deal than what Factory Fortress is offering.
I'm very disappointed and I hope that Factory Fortress turns things around for the better.

>>96926084
Amen. Weird how many people are jumping to TC and acting like they’re unaware that they are free of GW’s cuntery. Nice Communicant BTW.

>>96926548
>I'm very disappointed
same
>I hope that Factory Fortress turns things around for the better
i don't. they've taken the mask off and revealed their true nature, i hope they crash and burn

>>96926084
>you can use whatever minis you want
For now. Don't expect 3rd party minis to be allowed at events once they have a full plastic range

>>96926654
>For now.
Forever, you buckbroken consoomer. No company can stop you from playing with what they want.

>>96926635
>hope they crash and burn
The irony is that without an additional income stream (such as from plastics) then that’s exactly what will happen anyway.
Rules are free, STLs get pirated, how else are they supposed to make money? Fancy dice? Cringy T-shirts?

How about instead of crying like a little bitch with a skinned knee, you come up with an idea to deliver them a revenue stream other than selling plastics? Bet you can’t, you little bitch.

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>>96926654
>Has enough psychic power to see the future from here on out
>Didn’t have enough psychic power to foresee the shift to plastics

>>96926665
Moron, TC is an artistic project, its not supposed to make money. Its a way for people to create their own minis based on cool art. The art already exists and there are dozens of rulesets that could do the job, who cares whether this particular pack of sellouts succeeds or fails?

>why doesn't Turnip28 make money??

>>96926750
>TC is an artistic project, its not supposed to make money
Apparently Factory Fortress begs to differ, have you let them know they’re wrong and stupid? You should do that, go right to the root of the problem instead of sperging here where nobody can change a thing and even fewer people give a fuck about your dumbass opinions.

>>96926764
>calling out grifters is 'sperging'
>i'm going to be a passive aggressive bitch to defend people trying to hijack an art project

Pathetic, even the slightest hint of this behavior should have been ruthlessly criticised, Why are you even here if you're not a hobbyist willing to create your own models?

>>96926654
>For now. Don't expect it when <niche scenario that 99% of playerbase will never experience>

Oh no.

>>96926821
So wanting to make money from an IP you’ve developed is ‘grifting’ now? Even if making that money means developing more models, more warbands, new settings, advanced rules, terrain etc etc so that more people can play? The fuck are you, a communist?

>passive aggressive
Clearly you don’t understand that calling you a retard to your face is pretty fuckin’ far from passive aggressive, you fuckin’ commie retard.

>Why are you even here if you're not a hobbyist willing to create your own models?
Who said I’m unwilling to kitbash, you dopey cunt? FF has every right to profit off the IP and so plastics are just fine by me. I won’t be buying any because (spoiler alert) I’m a printfag. But I’m not going to act like FF is jamming a gun in my ribs and demanding my wallet.

Stop being a fucking hysterical woman about the whole issue and men won’t have to slap you to bring you out of it.

>>96926861
>I got called out for being a creep so i'm going to call him a communist.

If you think objecting to an art movement being hijacked is 'hysterical' you have issues. The only leftists here are the authoritarian creeps banning people for objecting to these changes.

>>96926935
>Art project
At the very start of the kickstarter they said because of the success, they can go fulltime on TC. Which means they need to have their income from the game.

>>96926935
It’s their art and their movement (assuming it even is an art movement) so who are you to judge what they do with it? It’s not ‘hijacking’ something when you make decisions about something you own, any more than it’s hijacking every time you drive your car. Fucking idiot.

You hate intellectual property rights or being rewarded for investment and labour or something? Thats why I called you a communist, you dipshit.

>>96926987
TC is ultimately an offshoot of I28, its an art project like all the other X28 things. These guys did not invent grimdark WW1 Crusader, the art that inspired it predates their attempts to profit from it. Its supposed to be by hobbyists for hobbyists.

>defending IP

Free market fundamentalists don't really support IP having legal protection, inb4 you call ancaps left wing.

>>96926665
The problem isn’t the selling of official hard plastic models. The problem is the price being charged for so little in the box that shows future models will be priced in the same way.
Why is this always being ignored?

>>96927043
We don't need to know how mad you are that something you were never going to purchase is too pricey, you miserable loser.

>>96927048
I’m not the other guy. It deeply worries me that the warhammer like fanboying kind of behavior has seeped into the trench crusade side of things as nobody seems bothered by the ff decision to not only make their plastic kits unreasonably priced but also that their future kits will follow the same pricing.

And worse still if this will be ff’s primary means of income to support tc instead of getting back on stls and their continued pricing then the chance of the company crashing and burning as the other guy wants to happen will have a high chance of happening.

Got a friend to pick me up the Prussian box this weekend
gonna be a fun paintjob!
They also 3D printed me a witch thats pumpkin themed, whenever I get and paint that I will post it as well

>>96919860
Warhammer for media-literate transfolx

>>96927043
Because nobody is forcing anyone to buy the fucking models? Jesus Christ.

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>>96919860
You can play as Heretic Legion, where as the Heretic Priest, you can roll to control another person's figure and make it move in any direction you want for a few inches,

You can
>Make it fall off a ledge, dying almost immediately
>Make it get into gun fire
>Make it run away from melee, thereby causing a free melee attack
>etc

The rules are just fun and easy to follow, it takes less then one demo game with 3 figures to get the jist of how everything works. Its not complex wordslop like GW games

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>>96920519
>No more STLs
Ummm, fuckin awesome
I dont have a lab in my house for 3D printing, I dont know anyone who 3D prints, theres no where in my town to 3D prints. Buying figures online is insanely expensive with shipping, and plastic is easier to paint. now TC can be in gamestores; therefore more played
>But... the STLs
People make STLs all the time, someone just made a heretic legion line that looks like hollow knight, proxys are explicitly part of the game. You can STL to your hearts content, but for the average joe this is a huge win

Compendium anon here, just finished updating all the data, will likely be another week while we sort letting you maintain pre-release warbands for tournaments and current campaigns but long story short all your warbands should port to 1.0 smoothly.

Relatedly, my hands are sore from typing.

>>96927131
The current official plastic kit is arguably worse value than the average warhammer model box. There’s a high chance that too few people are gonna pay that kind of money if the next models are going to be priced this way and thus tc loses the money to keep the project going and the project dies.

We’re potentially witnessing the beginning of the end for trench crusade and we’re all just pretending nothing is wrong?

I get that tc needs a source of money. Plastic kits were inevitable and are good. The pricing and model quantity is pure idiocy given that tc is supposed to be better than gw here.

>>96927043
Why are you comparing Trench Crusade mini range to Warhammer when one is a big battle, and the other is skirmish? Ten Imperial guards means nothing compared to 8 Prussians. You can make multiple warbands that are table ready just from that. Its a one box and done

>>96927173
The pricing is dangerously similar.
You are right about the tabletop conflict scale though.
The problem is that gw tier pricing is discouraging so it may make potential consumers look the other way for cheaper alternatives which means tc gets less funding to keep the project alive.

>>96927043
Paypigs doesn't want to hear that they're going to pay TC as well.

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>>96927198
>The pricing is dangerously similar.
Well anon, duh, you have to stay competitively viable. Sorry anon, but a company doesn't stay afloat by goodwill and puppydog kisses. Even then, TC is still much cheaper and much more accessible than any GW comparison. If you hate the pricing so much, Kitbash or 3D print, you truly are not forced to buy these models; they exist purely for convenience for customers and the company. The KS has proven shipping out these many printed minis is a massive mistake that only leads to major headaches

I want my god damn Christian crusader vampire faction already TC you hacks, give it

>>96927208
You can be competitively viable without charging gw tier prices. Wargames Atlantic has already been mentioned here multiple times.

I’m very sure a load of the pastebin’s suggested sources are also better value too and they do it without gw tier pricing.

I’m sorry anon. Your “don’t buy it” doesn’t work here because there is a chance that the plastic kits won’t sell enough if the price tag scares away enough people then Factory Fortress shuts its doors due to not getting enough money and the best we can hope for after that is that tc becomes a good community project after a good fan continuation emerges from the rest that pop up.

>>96927231
>I’m sorry anon. Your “don’t buy it” doesn’t work here because there is a chance that the plastic kits won’t sell enough if the price tag scares away enough people then Factory Fortress shuts its doors due to not getting enough money and the best we can hope for after that is that tc becomes a good community project after a good fan continuation emerges from the rest that pop up.
this is some fan fiction amounts of fearmongering to the point I question how geniune you are actually being. TC isnt GW, they will listen and respond. If the Plastic kits pricing is a problem, it will more than likely be fixed. I doubt it will be because so far the Prussians seem like a success that barely anyone has issues with, 45 bux for a box of game ready minis seems nice to me.

>>96927253
I hope tc listens and responds. Even if the game has a small model count, having extra plastic frames to make more models or use their parts for kitbashing will always be nice.
If the Prussians are a success then we have a warhammer tier paypig problem that will permit factory fortress to make stupid decisions until they can’t.
I just feel bad because this whole thing reminds me of the way privateer press handled warmachine and made stupid decisions and killed warmachine and I feel like I’m witnessing the start of similar shenanigans all over again.

>45 bux for a box of game ready minis seems nice to me
The poorfags are just mad that there are things they want that they can’t afford. If you’re a grown-ass man complaining that $45 is too much for a luxury item, you’ve failed as a human being and should probably get a fucking job and stop smoking weed.

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>>96927285
>a luxury item

>T-trench Crusade is s-successful!
Why don't I see any R34 content for it then?

>>96927547
Yes. Plastic toys for grown men are a luxury item. They are not a necessity, therefore they are a luxury. You do not need them to live.

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>>96927842
>They are not a necessity, therefore they are a luxury. You do not need them to live.
Behold, a luxury item.

>gw pricing policy = bad
>any smaller company being even greedier = somehow not bad
explain?

>>96926750
It would be very nice if it worked that way, but unfortunately
>Artists would usually like some money for high quality art
>Sculptors would usually like some money for making the sculpts for the game
>Keeping the website and files up and updating it, as well as maintaining the level of social media presence this project requires costs money
>Writers, editors and game designers getting paid allows them to do their job better and faster since they won't need to focus on other sources of income so much
>Renewing the trademarks and just keeping the company running costs money (taxes, insurances and shit)
etc.
I'm all for making art for art's sake, but with projects that big you do need money to keep it running, make it look professional and smoothen the gears. And at the end of the day, everyone involved needs to put something on their plate

Now, just to be clear, I do believe those plastic prices are too high. But going zero income is not the way either. Unless they'd just assume that the game is just what was promised on kickstarter and after developing that from the money they got, there won't be developing anything more. But I doubt that would satisfy people

>>96927864
Firstly, you don’t need chairs to live either.
Secondly, if not a luxury nor a necessity, then what are they?

>>96927892
According to my uncle, who used to seizie (distraint) debtor's property for a living, a single chair per person in the household is "basic utility", so is one phone (not smartphone!) and one computer per whole household.

>poors seething about not very expensive minis
>doomposting
Guess it’s like this in every general

ITT seething amerilards complaining about the $40 Trump Tip to import toys from the first world

It's over.

>GW pricing, it's le over
Are people aware that GW pricing per model isn't even much more expensive than any other plastic miniatures game on the market right now?
>Ermmm.. I think you are le forgetting about le epic historicals box where I can get 50 finnish ski guards for $4
That sounds kind of cool now you mention it strawmanon but I don't play historicals

>>96928154
Im more baffled because a major aspect of the game is kitbashing, like GW has ingrained in people that you NEED to use their official models or youre out. I feel like tabletop at this point is just people looking to buy merch basically, I hate it.

>>96929884
Hear, hear!
I think this also has to do with the fact that 2 or 3 decades ago more nerds and kids tended to have all sorts of miniatures for various wargames, RPGs, board games and other activities laying around and the market wasn't so heavily monopolised, so there were more different games with plastic minis readily available in stores, magazines and nerdy places. Because of that playing with placeholders or kitbashing felt like a very natural thing to do.
Now chances are high that many new people in the hobby barely even seen miniatures other than official GW stuff and most offbrands have moved to 3D printing, making them much less accessible for majority. If you've never even had an unofficial mini and don't know where to easily get one, kitbashing won't really be an obvious option for you.

But yeah, consoomerism is also to blame here. GW have succesfuly created a huge group of gamers whose hobby isn't even wargaming, it's specifically just Warhammer. Same with D&D for RPGs

>>96930024
I suppose its that, due to being less niche, you can't rely on most of your audience having the weird niche stuff (like 3d printers for the modern day).

Its unfortunate, but I guess when given the opportunity to appease 10% of your fans vs the other 90% I can't blame them. Plus, I never use official stls anyway because I want my guys to be Special.

>>96927285
>>96928154
>>96928156
>stop criticizing bad dev decisions and just buy the overpriced plastic unless you’re poor
We’ve really sunk to the level of /40kg/fags using this kind of defense now.
I guess it was inevitable. Have your (you)s.

>>96927925
Are we arguing that miniature plastic army men are basic utilities now?

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Im sorry are we really suppose to believe any of the shitposting is geniune? All these arguments fall apart the moment of reminder that Proxying is completely allowed, and an actual fair comparison of prices in context. This just feels like shitposting and falseflagging

>>96931457
Honestly I don't know what about TC triggers these mentally ill apes so much that they have to shit up these threads constantly but it doesn't help that people actually engage with them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRY-XnBgSXs
Wait, they give you 72 Pages to read, along with premade lists?
Thats so fucking cool

>>96931457
Some of it definitely is, but never underestimate what sort of bullshit autists can get atomically butthurt about on this site

>>96931540
https://www.trenchcrusade.com/app/uploads/2025/10/Prussian-Stosstruppen-Warband.pdf
this shit is so cool

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>>96931571
>It was like she was looking at a heretic

>>96931571
Neat, is there more deep dives like this for other factions? Im not a germaboo so these guys never did it for me.

>>96931728
So far there hasnt been any other boxes, but I assume they would do the same for others
but as for other factions, I imagine theres some cool stuff in the updated rulebook

>>96931728
I'm still waiting for info on the varangians

>>96926654
>at events

Okay? Why would I care?

>>96926935
>art movement

It isn't though? It's literally just one guy who made some art that some people wanted to turn into a mini wargame

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>>96931789
I want the TP sub factions and BG Dirge, theres no real examples for those and those are the exact ones Im interested in.
>TP subfactions sound rad as fuck, between swole guys that carry tombstones around, and the other wears blood as armour and has a leader that shoots holy light from their hands as a weapon as they appeal to the old testament wrathful god, then theres mech priests who focus on guns.
>Dirge is BG without the filth, and focuses on ancient knights and have more cognitive chaff units that actually use guns
I want to see. I made stuff but I started holding back because I wanted to see the ballpark for what theyre "supposed" to look like before doing more, same with the guy Im to be playing with but he just made default Heretics.

>>96927043
Honestly WGA is just as bad 35 for only 25 models??? I can buy lots of 200 army men for 10$ off amazon

>>96927164
>The current official plastic kit is arguably worse value than the average warhammer model box.

The idea that the "value" of a plastic kits comes from the amount of plastic in it laughable. If you want a specific model the fact that it is the specific model you want gives it more value than a model of the same size. It's like saying that painting is better value than the painting you want because "it's the same size canvas for half the price!"

>>96931333
>bad dev decisions
Their choice is literally ‘find a new income stream or go out of business once the kickstarter money runs out’ you pissy little bitch.

I will lay down the challenge once again. If not plastic kits, what can they do to generate an income stream? The rules are free, STLs get pirated. Stop whining about a complete non-issue and come up with an alternative solution. Bet you can’t.

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Were people seriously thinking TC would never go plastic and be in game stores? Why are people pretending doing normal Hobby shit is a "betrayel" or "bad move". Theyre still leagues less greedy than GW, Free rules always, Proxy encouraged forever, what more do you want other than free shit like a commie

>>96932387
>Why are people pretending doing normal Hobby shit is a "betrayel" or "bad move"
Half of them are trolls and the other half are poorfags and idiots.

>>96927147
Thanks for the work

>>96932457
containment thread is up so its weird there's so many thread shitters

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>>96932387
Why do people think you can't want them to have both plastic models AND STLs?

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>>96933007
but anon, you can have plastic models and STLs, what is stopping you from using one of the thousands of STLs online made by fans

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>>96933028
Maybe the fact that they remove the ones who look too similar to the designs of Franchina?

>>96933055
Fucking when and where?
Not even mentioning Pirating from others, I see a shit ton of Red Brigade minis and others that are of quality like those Japanese Antiochs
https://www.yeggi.com/q/heavy+mechanized+infantry/

>>96933028
>playing dumb this heavily

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>>96933066
See this shit?
The guy who made it had to take it down because it was too usable as a mini. He made a similar one with a shitty cinematic base but it's not the same.
I fucking forgot to buy it in time so I was gonna just wait till FF made an official one. Guess what?

>>96933077
>Being this pedantic to be angry
Youre not answering the question, why cant you use the STLs or Kitbash

>>96933090
Proof?

>>96933141
https://cults3d.com/en/3d-printing/midas-priest

>>96933146
Literally nothing here says he was forced to take it down at all

>>96933174
https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/rage-of-midas-dimomodels/comments

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>>96933251
>https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/rage-of-midas-dimomodels/comments
>Its fucking nothing; again
This doesnt explain all the other models for sale or that are useable, youre just being retarded

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>>96933283
This brazen bull's face was more close to Franchina's than the one designed by FF.
It's also down. Why?
https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/brazen-bull-new-head
You're a pedantic retard.

>>96933251
uh sweaty this can NOT be possible. the organic and honest posters in this thread assured me that we were allowed to use third party STLs and that FF was not going to enforce copyright on 3d modellers. you are imagining things, i fear

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>>96933383
>>96933407
Ohhhh
Youre a troll falseflagging
lol, go back to containment

>being able to kitbash my own minis or 3d print my own designs or anyone else's designs is bad, literally dog shit
>being able to buy plastic kits is horrible
>I wish I could buy official STLs to 3d print instead•°
Literally insane. Go back to not playing anything considering you people clearly don't like playing tabletop games

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What would be a good selection of models to have for a small demo warband for NA I could carry on me in case someone is curious about the game while I'm at the LGS? I know they have those "demo warband" card things but like
>Lieutenant w/ submachine gun & sword
>Combat Engineer w/ submachine gun & satchel
>Yeoman w/ bolt action rifle
Feels like a weird trio to have, especially when all but 1 of them is actually good at shooting now. I'll be running Heretic Legion and obviously I'd prefer if things were skewed in the new players advantage, so I'd likely run
>Heretic Priest w/ bolt action & polearm
>Legionnaire w/ sword & pistol
>2x Troopers w/ bolt action rifles

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>>96933522
Why are you like this? It's obvious that people who liked the original desings and STLs will be mad/sad about it.
With an STL you can:
>Digibash/Resize at your pace, duplicating or adding extra bits from other places. No kitbashing out of the print.
>Make more than 1 copy of anything given in the files, it's obvious that you cannot fill a rooster with just what comes in one box.
>Print the same day the files are released, not having to wait for delivery. Specially of you are far away.

Of course they are easy as fuck to pirate and distribute if you know where to look at, but all the same people will be scanning and asking for scans from the original plastic kits.

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>>96933427
>oh? you're posting proof Tranny Crusade hates anyone who isn't approved by the four people making it?
>clearly, /pol/

enjoy your slightly edgier Hazbin with plastic you disingenuous fag

>>96934633
NTA but you need to stop posting and have a nap, you’re way too angry over wardollies.

>>96933670
I'd say an Lt with a submachine gun is good; throw an extra bolt action yeoman in and replace the engi with either a sniper priest or an MHI with heavy shotgun (probably go with the sniper so you can hammer home risky actions with aim but without them actually having to fail most times). With a force like that you could probably swap out the legionnaire with a tartarus claw death commando; should help teach how to leverage blood markers and +dice to a newbie and come off as less one sided without being too severe a threat

>>96932239
>the defense of gw tier pricing continues.

There’s nothing wrong with going plastic.
It is resembling gw in this case pricing that is the problem.
Stop being ignorant of the pricing problem. It needs to be nipped in the bud before we wake up and see no difference in the way factory fortress milks the trench crusade ip like how gw milks the warhammer ip.

You can criticize something you really like because you care about it.

I hope this isn’t incomprehensible to you.
But given the way anons are behaving it might as well be.

What’s your guys favorite Trench Crusade model? Official or otherwise.

>>96931457
/trench/ has been beset by shitposts and archfags since day one.

>>96931534
They were told to go be retards else where. That's it. But some spergs can't handle not being able to sperg where they want, when they want. That cannot understand the world isn't about them.

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They sure are taking a long time to ship me those official minis.

>>96936104
heretic troopers easily; good sculpts, good design and multi part so they're easy to slap conversion pieces onto

>>96936278
Why, the one kitbashed by the Anon reading this of course!

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Here whats the craic with them saying they wont be providing STLs anymore? I thought that the Kickstarter said the entire range would be available as STL? Why they rolling back on that now?

>>96936954
Their entire kickstarter range is on stl. Their new range going forward is hard plastic. They are not rolling anything back, you're just being a retard.

>>96936954
Its refering to the hardplastic ranges they are refering to, they are not making STLs of those, the kickstart ones are still there

>>96936970
Did it say "the initial factions will be available as STL"? No. It said the "ENTIRE RANGE".

>>96936983
The entire range of the kickstarter models anon. The new range is the plastics.

>>96936983
Fuck off, retard. You're only looking to whine about shit you don't know about or care about. Final (You).

>>96926750
The printfags nihilistic mind in a nutshell

>everybody else should do hard work, for free, and i should be able to have their creations, in unlimited amounts, also for free

>>96936991
Again, there is no indication that is what was meant to the purchaser other than you just being all "I made it the fuck up".
>>96937000
Yeah I get pissed off about broken promises. Deal with it. Why shouldn't I be pissed I get back from my work hitch, discover the games been pushed to 1.0 and then find out that they've also decided to go for the money grabbing option in spite of what they claimed they would do?

>he's still trying
Pathetic. Back to 40goy with you.

>>96927591
Literally scroll up to the OP, braindeadlet

>>96920864
Why not do both? Sell plastic kits. Sell STL. Everyones happy.

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>>96925700
judging by some of the posts on the Discord kickstarter questions channel you're probably better off not receiving it at this stage.

>>96926750
The rules are free, there is not expectation that you use officially licensed models, infact, the game promotes kitbashing due to the vast array of different equipment. Is the expectation that they cant make any money, even for optional purchases?

>>96937021
Maybe Im just use to kickstarter stuff but thas not how I took it. If you were mislead by this I dont know what to say, the STLs were a perk of supporting the game getting made, you werent backing this just to make STLs of everything, hell, 90% of people dont even own printers and back it because they were supporting a game getting made, not ranges of STLS, they were perk of the kickstarter, and now they are making products independent of the kickstarter, where because they are physical things they cost money to make, and so cost money to buy, and the developer is able to make more of the game with that money rather than have the well dry up at the kickstarter.

>>96937152
I think its because STLs basically undermine the reason for plastics even existing if they are literally the same models but drastically cheaper. That doesnt really bode well for growth. As a customer Id say I want both, but if I wanted the game to be more than a novelty and actually go somewhere Id probably want the creators to be making money. If the shittalk about it being a "GW killer" was actually to be taken seriously you probably dont want to have all your funds evaporate and lose all growth due to lack of income. GW is a household name and crushes everything exctly because its able to makle money and branch out with it.

>>96935510
So the angle of attack goes from “they shouldn’t be doing plastics” to “well they should but they should be cheaper”.

I lay down the challenge once more: come up with an alternative solution to generate a new income stream that isn’t plastics.

>abloobloo the price is too high it’s like GW prices abloobloo
Yeah but you don’t need to buy 4-6 Trench Crusade boxes, plus vehicles, plus outrageously expensive ‘special characters’, plus a codex, plus strategy cards, etc etc. just to play a basic game.

Fucking poorfags, I swear to god.

If you can’t afford $50 for a completely optional purchase, just don’t buy it.

>>96937729
>So the angle of attack
It's not an attack, retard. It's criticism.
Why are you people falseflagging as TC zealots?

>>96937021
>Again, there is no indication that is what was meant to the purchaser other than you just being all "I made it the fuck up".

The purchaser is only buying access to the stuff in the kickstarter anon. Whatever a company does after the kickstarter runs its course and the company delivers the kickstarted product doesn't matter to the purchaser. You were never purchasing the right to require them to sell you STLs of any model they make in the future, you were buying the STLs that were part of the kickstarter.

>>96937821
You're not fooling anyone. Your routine is old.

>>96937152
correct. the 3d files already exist as part of the mould making process too so to release them as stl files would be a trivial amount of work and would cement their position as one of the most consumer friendly games companies in the world. i never back kickstarters so i was waiting to see how this project pans out and they've revealed their true nature here. i won't be giving a single dollar to FF

>>96937821
Why are you in here doomposting and concern trolling about a complete non-issue nothingburger?

>>96938355
They should just kitbash or print their own stuff which they would ALREADY BE DOING if they played the game, but they don't so there's no point arguing. It's the same people that call TC woke and that it's a dead game because they banned 5 people from discord years ago for shouting "Nigger".

>>96937928
What is the expectation, that they will keep growing if they arent making money? The game itself is free and model agnostic, you can choose to pay to support them directly, why do you need official STLs, is it the logo youre buying or the model.

The game is free. Youre not "not consumer friendly" because you charge for your product, what is this commie shit.
>they could be consumer friendly and just do it
Yea, and then completely freeze any growth lol. Youll say this and turn to your left and see a cupboard full of Warhammer shit, and the reason they keep making more of it is because you actually have to pay them, and that money is used to make more of the product you want. This stuff does not grow on good will it grows because you pay money for it.

>>96931540
I'm so glad we're in a stage where businesses send wealthy people free things so that they can tell me how good or bad they are.
As we all know, you can only trust people with material wealth. I'm thankful that these well off people are treated to free things. They really deserve it.
I would never trust the review of someone less fortunate or in a lower position socially.

>>96931540
Yeah I'm seeing that the customizability of a TC WarBand is going to be pretty hard to completely, accurately represent with a Band Box like this.
The fact that you could have swords for all your guys, or clubs, or any number of different loadouts with the armory as the campaign goes on your guys might even get NEW stuff, and lose old shit. Now how do you reflect that on the mini if you feel like you should or must?

I think what it'd be a good idea to do is release some big boxes of gear gubbins.
Like if I want my Anointed Heavy Infantry with two Auto Shotguns and two Greatswords plus Trench Shields there should be a big box of multiple copies of all the armoury options available for each unit.

>>96937928
This would be a vile betrayal of all the kickstarter supporters who pledged for physical copies of warbands.

There were twice as many pledges for physical warbands than there were for STLs. Those pledgers sent a clear message that they want access to ready-to-assemble physical products, with as little hassle as possible. That's the future that they demanded from the project.

Those are the people who MADE Trench Crusade successful. It would be foul and unethical to abandon them and pivot into selling STLs as the main product.

>they should make both STLs and physical kits, both already made them 3 million dollars
>YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO MAKE MONEY?
What the fuck is happening?

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>gets a little fotm traction
>immediately goes full gw mode
this is why we can't have nice things

>>96939243
>It would be foul and unethical to abandon them and pivot into selling STLs as the main product.
No-one is suggesting they do that, only that they carry on selling STL's alongside physical models.

>>96926750
>>why doesn't Turnip28 make money??
It does just not TC levels.
Honesty i like Turnip28 more than trench crusade

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Any anons have experience with the size and quality of Victrix minis? The big box of WWII Germans they recently dropped can make an entire platoon of Heretic troopers with some armor/sashes/devotionals sculpted on.

>>96927285
>>96928154
>>96928156
>man larps as rich but cannot afford a 500 dollar + tip printer, and have the time, energy and living space to set it up.
>buying plastic
>like a peasant
>ISHYGDDT

>96939374
>96939424
>96939501
Trying too hard, faggot

I for one am not overly enthused that Its going to cost me $85 per warband box delivered to me on a project that from the start made it out that they wanted to avoid price gouging and regional variations in postage costs. Their own damn kickstarter that they got millions from said "We’re big believers in 3D printing and what it brings to wargaming, especially to our community members who are located in regions that are expensive to ship to" and on that basis I threw down for the Heresiarch STL pack.
Why shouldn't I be pissed off that not a year later they have decided to do a complete 180 on what they set out to achieve in the first place? It was only October last year when I paid them half a grand to back their project ffs. I have a nice printer, naturally I want to use it.

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>>96933283
are you autistic or intentionally blind?
This looks like pretty good indication, they likely reached out.
i mean if you want to be direct, it's their IP and something this close is a threat to it, and if you don't defend it you lose it. simple as that. you don't even have to get mad because if they're /close/ they're fine, see the naval raiders, close but not enough to be like the art (also less iconic than our boy Croesus.

>>96939510
You're a fucking illiterate retard.
fucking look at who i'm replying to you mongaloid

>>96933066
Why would I want to print something that looks like a japanese take on the official models? I want minis that exactly match, not shit that looks like someone elses take on the franchise.

>>96939488
I have a bunch of their vikings.
they're older scuplts but i'd suggest pulling up the sprue just in case.
my opinion was slightly twisted by having to speed assemble an army, with only axes but they can be frustrating to build sometimes. mind you i did build 40 with some particular conditions in one stress filled afternoon.
Arms were baked into the armour so i think kitbashing limbs might be a bit rough.
They won't mix with the WGA, or the warlords scale i don't think. i think BA is slightly too small and WGA too chonky.
they're good kits and great for the price just be aware you might be locked into their kits for scale.

>>96939569
Thanks for the response, anon. It looks like the German box has the arms separate to they can be given bolt actions, semi-autos or submachine guns. They are quite small though, and like you had said they’re a little taller than WGA but slightly less bulky, but bigger all around than BA. Having a big excess of troopers would be nice for if (when) I fuck up sculpting on them, so that’s also a plus of the kit.

>96939540
Trying too hard faggot

>>96937729
>Fucking poorfags, I swear to god.
Anon, i am sad to tell you that this time, you the man who didn't by a 800 dollar printer, it's set up equipment and live in a place where you can set it up, (i.e. a good apartment, home.)
you, yes you, specifically you, are the poor fag.
>but but but i spend that much money on GW minis in plastic monthly with my Good Boy Points
okay so you're poor and retarded.

> come up with an alternative solution to generate a new income stream that isn’t plastics.
Considering they're partnering with (may lord have mercy on our souls) prodos games (don't be a retard, they the same people) you could have a point, i mean they have to give the insipid slavs a cut of the profits.
but it seems to me they did this incredibly stupidly. Plastics have a larger audience, they should be either making a full 10 man sqaud (or 5 yew and 5 stormtroopers) and then setting up a separate box for the elites and the special characters because those Prussians are going to get snapped up for 40k armies. that's money they are leaving on the table.

I do have been wondering why you seem to automatically discount the 3d printing revenue stream. more than a few businesses make a living off of sculpting minis for TC let alone in general. setting up campaign and specialist books likely another alternative stream. source books too for an RPG setting.
honestly i'm wondering why they're moving so slow and so shittely. it's been a year. and we only now got the 1.0 rules, sure but nothing else down the pipe. ain't like toumas is scuplting.

>>96939605
2 more benefits for it is, leftover Germans can be worked into NA or well you have a platoon for what the 28mm platoon level comes out.

>>96937729
>>96939674
Truth, imagine thinking that the printing lot are poorfags. At this point I've spent literal thousands on STL's I just thought looked neat and never got around to printing, I have a fucking 8TB hard drive nearly full of just STL's 95% of which I will probably never use.
If you think you grey pile of shame is bad, wait till you get into printing and develop the STL Horde of shame. I'm like fucking Smaug sitting on his horde of gold he doesn't actually use.

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>>96925700
I unfortunately ordered a couple mercenaries so my order took forever to make and ship. Arrived Nov 1 for me.
Missing a tank hunter, instead I received a new Antioch knight.
Miniatures are otherwise fine, with the exception of a couple long pieces warped from packing/shipping. Apparently I can manipulate them with hot/cold water.

>>96939201
They did that as a part of Kickstarter, but even then it's not really sensibly feasible to accurately represent all gear on every model, especially if the loadout changes multiple time throughout the campaign or if later you would want to use the same minis for a different one. You'd have magnetise the shit out of everything and even then most models other than basic troops (at least if we're talking about the official minis) aren't really designed for easy weapon swaps.

WYSIWYG really doesn't work that well as a principle for campaign based games.

>>96939730
Wait, the physical models are 3D prints anyway?

>>96939743
>WYSIWYG really doesn't work that well as a principle for campaign based games.
Works perfectly fine for my Necromunda campaigns anon?

>>96939730
>Apparently I can manipulate them with hot/cold water.
yes, you might want to talk to the Horus heresy people about that because it's common with forge world minis, less so than when ordering from basedchinamen/slavs
I think it need to be like a little be lower than boiling because you need to get over the hump of it just returning to it's previous form.
>>96939747
you don't tend to get that droop with 3d prints, i think it's resin cast.

>>96939747
>>96939762
Its SiOcast like Corvus Belli uses for their larger minis.

>>96939681
>when 28mm platoon level comes out
If that’s a real possibility I’ll have a pile of soldiers ready.

Fuck boys this is rough
I just found out the TC devs are woke soicucks
Feelsbad

>>96939374
>>96939424
>youre bad if you want to make money of the things you made
Youll say this then buy the latest GW product and not even consider the fact they could release models for free at this point and it would not put a dent in their earnings, but the indepdendent who wants to make money is bad because they want to make money so they can do more with what they made. Fucking lol, unironic commie shit. People like you are the reason barely any projects actually gain momentum, you convince the develops they are "good people" if they just work at a loss.

>>96940107
>want to make money
>follow big corperation's model out the gate
you know GW got it's marketshare partially because it made high quality and relatively cheap sculpts right?
fuck man like i wish, wish,wish wish warzone was still alive so we'd have actual competition.

>>96940094
Wow, I don’t care

>>96940188
Nah its all over bro
Imagine handing money to demons
Literally willingly handing your blood over to satan
Yikes

It's a toss-up between the Ethiopians and Scotsmen for me. Do I want a team that can close in to kill easily or do I want a team that thrives in melee in exchange for more variance?

>>96940107
>Youll say this then buy the latest GW product and not even consider the fact they could release models for free at this point and it would not put a dent in their earnings

>free models
>the thing that makes up most their earnings no longer earning anything wouldn't make a dent in their earnings

>>96940151
Hey man, Ill take what I can get at this point, there is basically no competition at all in tabletop, its Warhammer and everything else, I say this as someone who plays MESBG and historics, getting people interested in other games is next to impossible due to the barrier for entry to those games, being that you have to buy rules and buy models, I am just happy to see something like this actually take off and is incredibly cheap to get into and focuses on using what ever models you like, since its free to pick up the rules and its model agnostic so you can use that sprue of WW1 guys you bought on a whim that were dirt cheap for something. You dont need to use their STLs let alone the plastic ranges, they are optional to playing the game and are basically just a way to support the project, shit, I would only buy that set just for the bits for conversions not the models themselves. This is like if Turnip released official models and everyone just started using those, it kindof undermines one of the biggest appeals to the project, which is making your own stuff.

I would like to see TC have a wargame rather than just skirmish rules, I think campaign skirmish games are incredibly hard to get people into and its only like that here because it keeps the game small scale and easy to get into, but I would like to see it go into wargame scale and go farther with the IP. Even the Helldivers 2 devs have mentioned adding armour from TC to their game as a promo, it would be nice to see an actual rival to Warhammer that doesnt require you use Warhammer pricing when it comes to rules and models.

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>>96940208
>handing money to demons
I mean I was thinking of making my guys a Mammon warband

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>>96940208
This is a heretic thread

>>96940238
Im a tourist so forgive me but like
Cant you just do this for every game?
You can easily find rules for every game online
Hell you can find them on /tg/
And nobodys forcing you to use official models like just proxy whatever you want for whatever you want
Unless youre a serious tournament player which 99% of people arent you can literally do whatever you want whos gonna stop you lol?

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>>96940244
>>96940249

>>96940275
>bro couldn’t handle looking at the gate
Lmao

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>>96940238
>I say this as someone who plays MESBG and historics
I'm working on my cosairs right now, and our slavic friends are putting out a sale soon so i might pick up moria

>>96940261
It's not really the case for a lot of games.
They offer it free like corvus but everyone else it's piracy which is a barrier for a lot of people.
offical models can be a barrier in some games or communities.

I'm with him in that it's a matter of culture. and TC's culture is still forming but having a very strong sentiment of "make your own shit" is refreshing compared to GW's "well it's not in the box it's good they removed it as an option"

>>96940235
Yes, because now they make videogames and books etc, they branched out, GW doing silly stupid shit can be just shrugged off because they make money superfulously, an independent trying to do the same would chew through their resources. TC is not the first game to gain traction and then fall off a cliff of relevancy due to lack of funds, turns out you need money to get an IP to go anwhere, except when youre already successful and any losses can just basically be ignored
>Man these prices are insane, its so anti consumer
>*buys 3 boxes instead of 5. New rules cost money too better get that aswell, I guess, since I need it*
And here you are complaing when a game releases its rules for free and doesnt require you use their models. Come on now.

>>96940261
Some stores enforce a no third-party policy, particularly for GW games. TC, on the other hand, explicitly allows for third party models and releases their rules for free as opposed to GW’s $60 main book, $40 codexes and $30+ campaign books.

>>96940315
Fair enough
>>96940331
TC allows for it but that doesnt mean the stores will
If the FLGS is run by faggots then theyre gonna act like faggots regardless of what devs say no?
Our FLGS is not like this so I guess im disillusioned to this shit
Plus we usually just play at my buddies house

>>96940261
Stores often have a "no third party models" policy, and its frowned upon when someone pulls out a folder of pages of a printed rulebook, youre expected to buy that rulebook, preferably from the store your playing in, and buy models that are all around the shop you are currently playing in which is why they dont like 3rd party models. The store had to pay to get those GW models in anon they expect you to buy them so they can stay open.

GW has conditioned people to buy official products, they arent necessarily bad for this, they made things people want to buy, but you can see why they actually want people to use their product and not third party with jpg print outs of the rulebooks.

>>96940210
Ethiopians also get some extra healing options, which can be helpful, especially against more experienced players who know how to utilise blood markers well. Also to mess with Court players and deny them spell ammo
Alba seems like a very high risk variant for me. Antioch is already a rather squishy faction that usually relies on coordinated attacks with powerful ranged weapons. In this version they not only get repurposed for melee, but also made even less tanky. But then again, angry Scotsman charging at you wish claymores and axes to the sound of bagpipes are cool as fuck

>>96940367
Thats respectable but I generally just do whatever I want and I’m rarely challenged on it and on the rare occasion that I am I just lie

>>96940331
>Some stores enforce a no third-party policy, particularly for GW games

I've yet to see examples of this beyond GW stores

>>96940318
>Yes, because now they make videogames and books etc, they branched out,

Anon their earning reports are public, less than 20% of their total revenue comes from non-miniature sources.

>>96940428
Yeah ours isnt like that either
As long as you buy a couple pots of paint on your way out the door they dont give a shit what you do

>>96940438
Now consider how much that is when youre making several billion, that 20% isnt pocket money is dwarfs the entire budget behind TC.

>>96940472
Why would they willingly make less money though on purpose
That doesnt make any sense

>>96940491
Because anon wants stuff for free

>>96940472
Yeah and their operating costs dwarf TC's as well. Companies can't lose 80% of their total revenue simply because they make a lot of money, most companies even huge multi-billion dollar ones, still have a majority of their revenue go towards costs. GW's costs + tax for example takes up ~68% of their total revenue, the notion that they can forgo ~80% of their total revenue because "TC can exist with less than 20% of GW's revenue!" Is completely retarded.

>>96940428
My LGS is like that, which is why I never go there anymore.

>>96940261
Yeah our group does whatever and we’ve never been checked on it
We use iPads for pirated rulebooks and proxy models and they dont care because we buy shit lol

>>96940491
Well thats my point. They COULD do that and do something nice for consumers and still remain afloat and give people access to STLs, which is nice, but they want to make money and get bigger, not just make even and put smiles on peoples faces. There isnt a snowballs chance in hell GW is releasing rules for free for example, even though they could and it wouldnt be that much a of a loss given how much the models sell, because with more money means they can do more things using that money, why make millions when you can make billions, and with that billions move into making even more products people want like videogames and more model ranges.

Expecting TC to do this on way less of a budget but giving GW a pass just comes off as bad faith, frankly. TCs creators shouldntt expect to not make money from the thing they made, they should do what they can to make money so they can grow, and they have done something that even GW wouldnt do which is release rules for free while doing this.

>>96940516
It was not a declaration or demand that they should do that, it was that they "could" do that and still remain a functioning company with growth because they are making so much money elsewhere, TC cannot do this because it is not that big and does not have anywhere close to that kind of income from different places. You can cut an arm or leg of GW and they would still be making money, not as much, but still live and generate income, cut an arm off TC and it will just die, because the only income it has right now is the kickstarter which has finished, and now the plastic ranges, where are they expected to make money if they just offer STLs where people can print the stuff at a 1/4 the price from Xiping Ling of Etsy. You are advocating for TC to fail by expecting them to make moves that sees them making less money.

>>96940606
I think the difference is that TC said they would and then didnt
So they look like liars and hypocrites
Which isnt surprising from people who think children should have their hormones chemically altered to make them more fuckable

>>96937729
>come up with an alternative solution to generate a new income stream that isn’t plastics.

They should have stayed as a hobby project like other X28 things instead of trying to make a commercial game with the compromises that entails.

>>96927198
The value isn't even close.
One box could conceivably be your entire army, compared to the several hundred you would need for 40k.

>>96940606
>, it was that they "could" do that and still remain a functioning company with growth because they are making so much money elsewhere

Anon did you not read the post? How the fuck are they going to pay for their operating costs that make up 68% of their revenue if they cut 80% of their revenue? Are you retarded?

>>96936278
The jannies used to be better about zapping shitposts.

>>96937007
>3D printer

Unskilled moron, you should be kitbashing/scratchbuilding your TC minis.This should be a game for hobbyists.

>>96940627
Wans that one of the main selling points of their incredibly successful crowdfunding campaign? The STL’s? And then immediately after getting millions they walk it back

>>96940752
Wasnt*

>>96940752
Why do you ask? As crowdfunder and community member, you know is it, or is it not. Or are you a shitstirring tourist?

Should I buy a War Wolf or a Sin Eater first, dudes? I’ll figure out what to use for my troopers later.

>>96940752
They denoted this in their kickstart profile.
Nothing about later. This is one of those, if you care, you care. I do not particularly so, if only because they have fulfilled their obligations in that the entire base range, sufficient to make any army, are still available as STLs.
I would give you room if they had kept some designs back from the core range, but they did not.

>>96940824
I already said I was a tourist lol

>>96940861
The game got popularity because it supports 3D printing, kitbashing and 3rd party minis. All of which still apply.

>>96940849
One costs ducats while the other costs glory points,why would they be mutually exclusive?

>>96940891
I thought it got popular because it was built on top of some grimdark arstation guys artwork

>>96940849
War wolf. Very handy for capping objectives and running down back field dudes like snipers.

>>96940627
>tranny shit mentioned out of nowhere.
Oh nevermind youre a fucking retard. Take Archs dick out of your mouth, he was a KCD2 apologist that fought with his own audience because "this time its ok guys, when I say the developers hate you and are openly pro tranny and gay and call us nazis its ok this time, because I liked the game! Please understand!" and his favourite game devs (Kenshi) put out BLM posts and has a tranny self insert, yet that gets a pass. Everyone has their hypocrisys. Arch doesnt like TC because he got his hand slapped off the wheel for trying to steer the ship. There is no tranny or gay shit in the game, and that doesnt seem to matter this time because he wasnt given control, and now the game has been a success without him and his rhetoric of "they need us" completely fell flat. Remember when he tried to show his own idea for a tabletop game and it was using AI and was the most generic shit immaginable, and said "i will use my community to make this and we will beat TC" and then deleted the video because it was fucking embarassing? Thats where all the TC woke shit is coming from, because none of that shit is in the game. I like Arch but he is a fucking retard when it comes to talking about certain things.

Just for clarity, the kickstarter STL range is still up and accessable, the new plastic ranges are the ones that dont have STLs, they are 2 different ranges, the plastic sets are not part of the kickstarter they are a seperate thing entirely, even the designs of the plastic and kickstarter stuff are different. This is a nothing burger.

>>96940894
I’m talking about the actual models, anon
>>96940956
It’s also a great model. That wirecutter chainsaw head is great.

>>96940954
Fair. Franchina's setting was popular before the game was made.

>>96940963
Thats a longass post homie shorten it down and ill read it next time

>>96941039
STLs and plastic range are two different things. The STLs are still there, and the plastic range are different designs. The game remains free.
Arch is a hypocrite and you shouldnt just take everything internet say at face value because they have their own biases and hypocricys. Arch for TC is like a scorned lover, he tried to assert importance to the project and is mega salty he ended up not being relevant at all to its succes
There is no tranny or gay shit in the game, the accusations are woke are an appeal to feality from the developers by people who think a thing can only be worth while if the people making it agree with their politics

I want TC to go places, accusations of woke and then defering to a discord from years ago is gay and cringe considering there is no woke in the game itself. Its just some art guys passion project made into a game, not a vehicle for culture war nonsense, trying to make it that is fucking eye rolling.

>>96941148
Thats still pretty long but ill suffer through it on your behalf because Im a bit of an altruist
Idk who arch is im assuming a content creator?
I dont care if the game has child-rape mechanics, if the devs support castrating children im gonna shittalk them lmfao
If that bothers you idk man

>96941201
>muh shifted goalpost
Holy fuck kill yourself

>>96941231
Bro thats so mean and cruel
you cant troll outside of /b/
Ill let you off with a warning this time but if you do it again there’ll be hell to pay

>>96941201
>Idk who arch is im assuming a content creator?
The pretty big anti woke commentary guy and biggest anti shill of this game that at every turn tells people to abandon ship and that its woke. He does this with everything now, except when he likes then you have to ignore the woke stuff and actually defend it. I myself generally like him but Ive acknowledged that hes a fucking spastic when talking about certain things. "baldurs gate 3 will fail because its woke, it is bad BECAUSE its woke" then the game is a runaway success and he stops mentioning it, and then gets called a nazi bigot by another developer outright because he criticized adding gay romance options and black people to a game, but he fought with his own audience he cultivated to hate any time this happens because he actually liked the game and now wanted people to defend it instead of attack it as normal.
>I dont care if the game has child-rape mechanics, if the devs support castrating children im gonna shittalk them lmfao
They dont, thats the thing, Arch makes the connection that if you arent expressedly anti woke and anti tranny/gay and part of the culture war on his side, then you are an advocate for the enemy even if you dont say it outright. Its as dumb as it sounds. He literally makes the argument that "if they dont join us they are open to subversion later" like the game is going to be wrestled out of hte artists hands and theyll start adding tranny factions. Its fucking dumb man, terminally online political brain rot does this to a MFer.

>>96941302
So the TF devs are basedchuds just like me?

>>96939753
Does one grunt model in Necromunda have nearly 200 different combinations to choose from in gear? Does it have a built in system where you would want to change that model's gear between battles?

>>96940627
>children should have their hormones chemically altered to make them more fuckable

Holy projection

Would trench crusade work as a video game?

>>96941201
>>96941039
It's wild that people expect their illiteracy to be catered too while still being expected to be taken seriously.

>>96941491
As an RTS or action game in this setting?
Sure, why not
As an 1:1 adaptation of the tabletop rules?
It would probably also be decently fun, but if you're playing a video game anyway you might as well play something that takes a bigger advantage of the possibilities the medium gives

>>96941491
I think all War Games would work great as video games.
Letting the computer handle shit like LoS, cover, dice gathering etc.
I would actually much rather play Kill Team as a video game, for example.

>>96941302
Nah theyre down with that trans shit
Im not like a /pol/ kid but they are theyve made that clear

>>96941273
>you cant troll outside /b/
Oh yes you fucking can. I've daily reported polbait shitpost threads for that very thing and they're up a week later, dozens of replies from the easily trolled retards here who just can't resist.

>>96941582
Supply a source for your claim or blow it out your ass, archfag.

>>96941582
Where?

>>96941646
It literally says on their official discord that they are down with trans shit lmfao

>>96941665
So it should be no problem for you—the one making this claim—to go and get a screenshot to back up your assertion. You’re not a lying faggot talking out of your ass, are you, anon?

>>96941646
>>96941665
They also purged their twitter cuz its too right leaning I guess and went to bluesky
And made an official comment on the discord bans or whatever saying they support it

>>96941689
>trust me bro please bro they’re woke bro please
Yeah, you can fuck off.

>>96941682
Ye Ive got it screenshotted and I’ll post it if you say please
Otherwise, if you dont want to immasculate yourself for my entertainment, you can just join their discord and check for yourself, its a public discord

>>96941689
Where? Seriously, people keep saying it but they never show it, its like they heard someone else say it and then just took their word for it.

>>96941711
>I-I totally have it, but you should just join discord instead!
Actually kill yourself.

>>96941700
Geez man chill out we’re just conversating no need to get all heated about it

>>96941631
Yeah shit sucks sometimes
Its 4chan tho what can you do

>>96941731
A simple please is all I ask little man
Idk why you even find it so unbelievable that a company would be “lgbt friendly” lol that was like the default “safe” position for the past decade

Can you fags just stop already?
Half of the previous general and almost entire current one has been spent on this discussion already, we've heard all the takes and arguments, nothing more is going to come out of it aside from pointless shitflinging.
If you want to bitch, go bitch on the dev's social media where you may actually accomplish something with it.
Same goes for retarded culture wars brainrot

Like less than 10% of all posts here are about the actual game itself for Christ's sake, and that's few days after a major update dropped. The actual state of the fucking general.
Ignore shitasses trying to derail the thread with ragebaits concerning shit discussed to death already, it's not that hard.

Now, tell us about your last Trench Crusade games Anons. What factions, what scenarios, what interesting shit happened? You faggots actually do play this game, RIGHT?

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How about instead of engaging with obvious bad faith trolls we post about the game? I'd go for more arty bitches in this thread myself

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Is there any faction I can play just with a single box of WGA WWI infantrymen? I have plenty of extra bits around but almost no 'modern' bodies and heads so I thought I may grab one box as well and build on top of that.

>>96941830
New Antioch or Heretics easily.

>>96941847
Nice, two options is already plenty. How many dudes on average I need per warband? Is 30 bodies enough to be split between two armies so I can bait someone into giving it a try?

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>>96941830
New Antioch would probably be closest, they do have guys in power armour in their roster (pic rel) and optional access to some wilder looking mercenaries, but other than that it's mostly just various flavours of regular human soldiers.
Heretic Legion, Trench Pilgrims or Iron Sultanate could also largely work, but would need some heavier kitbashing and probably at least one or two different models on top of what you have

>>96941879
From my experience it's usually somewhere from 10 to 15 dudes. More numerous warbands are possible, especially on later stages of the campaign, but going quantity over quality usually isn't very effective

>>96941765
>>96941796
>still no proof
Ok, faggot. Last (You).

>>96941901
from 6 to 15*, shit

>>96941907
You stupid faggot
We were on topic for like 10 whole posts and then you want to re-initiate your shitflinging with an obvious troll
Either prostrate yourself at his feet and say please like a good boy or get back on topic you fucking idiot

>>96937195
Yep. Its a rugpull

>>96940963
Its hilarious how many times you reply to the same post to try and make it seem like the thread consensus is on your side.

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>>96941879
Yea thats more than enough. At most you can only have 10 guys for a starting warband, depending how you build them you might not even hit that cap due to their point cost, by the end of a campaign you can have 20~ units, but again, youll probably not hit that cap.
The top ones in this post are the french from that WGA range.
>>96920739
I didnt like the helmets so swapped them for the British ones of the same range, the german range is the one with the cool gasmasks if you want to consider those, theyre perfect for heretics. If you want knight helmets you could consider getting the perry miniatures foot knights sprue and using those heads and arms if you need melee bits too, just be willing to shave bits to make them fit more naturally. Therye all dirt cheap too.

>>96941479
>Does one grunt model in Necromunda have nearly 200 different combinations to choose from in gear?
Arguably a whole lot more for maybe half your gang, at least at start of campaign. Vastly more once the campaign is underway.
>Does it have a built in system where you would want to change that model's gear between battles?
Yes. It also has a personal stash system as it is assumed that users get attached to their weapons and don't just want to hand them to someone else.

>>96941985
>the game is woke
>no it isnt
>ok prove it
>no
What do you mean thread consensus, youre arguing a position someone else told you is a thing, and you dont even know if its true, but you keep saying it.

Gotta be honest I'm getting real tired of reading the foul mouthed contrarian anons posts in this thread. Grow up, you don't get prizes for being utterly obnoxious. Just shitting up the thread flinging shit around like a monkey because you disagree with some other anons viewpoint.

>>96941830
These guys are perfect for Heretic Legion. Really all they’re missing is the breastplate.

>>96942020
I sat down at my PC about 5 minutes ago and made the mistake of reading through the thread to catch up with it, its not me that you've been bickering with.

>>96942020
Nta but to be fair he did say he would prove it
The real issue is your refusal to say please
Honestly everyone in the thread would be happier at this point if you just fucking said it
Post a timestamped picture of yourself begging on your hands and knees too while youre at it

>>96942029
I hate to be the bearer of bad news anon but somehow youve ended up o n 4chan
If you arent interested in foulmouthed contrarianism idk what youre doing here

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>>96942036
I saw someone just shave off the buttons and then put greenstuff over the chest. A paintjob can sell it but obviously you need to do a bit of work to make any conversion look the part.

>>96942113
I'd be more interested in it if it wasn't ALL coming from one poster, namely you.

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>>96942118
Anon lets chill out and talk TC
I just got my TTS setup and im gonna play some games tonight with the boys on PC for the first time

>>96942152
Kindof makes me wish there would just be a videogame or something, I like the setting but I feel Im going to struggle getting more than the one guy I have playing the game to play a full campaign, its why I want wargame rules.

>>96942117
Yeah, it’s definitely an easy conversion to do, but they really do need it to feel like Heretics and not just Germans in TC. I may go with the WGA Germans as opposed to the Victrix ones myself just because the torsos look easier to clean up and greenstuff/miliput since there’s less kit and webbing on them.

>>96942152
what's a good workshop mod for setting up maps?

>>96942171
TC is actually how I managed to get my friends into wargaming, none of them were particuarly interested before, but the setting hooked 5 of them right in and we're playing regularly now

>>96942200
Im AFK rn phoneposting
Trying to remember what mod I uded
I think it was Trench crusade enhanced, or varl’s trench crusade sandbox
One of those
And then the maps I just found on the workshop and do “additive load”

>>96942152
You know, I'd never actually considered playing Trench Crusade on TTS before despite running 2 whole necromunda campaigns on it. Is there a steam collection of assets for it?

What would you call the aesthetic of Trench Crusade? Say I want to make a mood board for it what am I searching for? WW1 aesthetic? Muddy Orthodoxy?

>>96942251
Abrahamic Grimdark Dieselpunk

>>96942238
There isnt like one perfect collection of everything but if you look around you can collectively find pretty much all of it

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There is a concerning lack of zeppelins in the TC lore.

>>96941582
>thread immediately dies because you were samefagging so hard
>still hasnt posted proof
I accept your concession

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>>96937729
I've watched this back and forth. It was quite entertaining.
He's right not to engage in your challenge because it denies your pre-planned response.

He's also right about Factory Fortress overcharging for a small quantity of plastics. Now if the pricing is out of Factory Fortress' control then that's a different story.
>but the game model count is small
Not even the small indie company holds water here for charging models like they're GW. I don't know why people think is a viable excuse.
>you're a poorfag
I'm surprised he hasn't accepted your concession or whatever the meme phrase is because it isn't about whether one can afford or not. It is about getting one's money's worth of plastic and blindly branding a critic who cares about TC as poor is pretty telling that you've run out of ammo here.
>just don't buy it
Worst case scenario is that a lot of people look at the price of the official models and go that route of not buying it and instead go for alternatives like what is in the pastebin, and then TC loses money for overcharging.
If TC fails (I really hope not) because of this overcharging, the blame will partly because those like (you) would not acknowledge that there was a problem in the first place.
I say this as someone who backed the kickstarter.

As the anon said: I hope this isn’t incomprehensible to you.

>>96937729
>I lay down the challenge once more: come up with an alternative solution to generate a new income stream that isn’t plastics.
A new kickstarter for an expansion of factions available. The last one made a few million, should be good for more than that now that the game is more widely known.