They were a good representative sample of what random selection of contemporary player characters looks like.

>>96924653
Yeah, even if some have more love put into them then others.

They're pretty decent for what they are. Personally, I think BG3 gets more hate on here than it really deserves. Most of the fans are pretty cringe but the game itself is decent. Most of the really obnoxious stuff like the talking cats are completely optional.

>>96924653
The dark urge to give Shadowheart backshots.

>>96924701
BG3 gets credit for letting me kill any of its twee faggots or smug animals that I want.

>>96924653
Kill, Kill, Kill, Fuck, Kill, Kill, Marry.

>>96924653
No, because they're multiple would-be main characters, most of which aren't interesting on their own.
Who even played as one of those instead of making their own PC? (with or without Durge edgelord shit)

They are pretty cool.

>>96924653
Gay

>>96924908
There is some unique stuff as Gale specifically that I think is worth it but the others don't have as much.

>>96924996
I guess he's more palatable if he's not a whiny bitch begging you to sacrifice your magic items or talking about how he fucked the goddess of magic.

I played a Githyanki on an off-hand suggestion from an anon here once, so I baseded hard over Lae’zel, and I still do
Gith are fucking awesome

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>>96925194
>Tell me what's going on
>I can't tell you it's too much of a deep dark secret
>[Intimidation] (SUCCESS): Tell me what's going on or I will literally kill you.
>Okay I'll tell you... But not now, later, maybe, it's too deep and dark a secret.
He's as bad as any of them.

>>96925216
Lae'zel is fucking awesome
That said, would not put gith in my tabletop games.

>>96924653
The Dark Urge would be the only problem player making a murderhobo and saying, "Its what my character would do".

Gale is fine even if his backstory would never get a DM's approval irl.

take this shit to /vrpg where it belongs.

>>96924653
Why always 7 members?

>>96925322
Yes, but you don't roll Intimidation against yourself if you're playing him.

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>>96924908
>>96924996
Karlach is the only origin character with internal monologue

>>96925723
>Gale is fine even if his backstory would never get a DM's approval irl.
I wish some faggot would give me a character backstory half as bad as Gales

>>96924653
They functioned as a group longer than any game /tg/ anons will ever see. If they see one.

>>96924653
I played a wizard, so I kept Wyll (rogue dip), Lae'zel, Karlach, and Shadowheart (Life domain) around.

As a DM? I think I'd find having more than 2/5 at my table would be a bit too much with their backstories. Considering you find all of them by like 4th level, the most reasonable one is "I'm just a scoundrel vampire pervert" (maybe there's more to it, I can't stand having him around). The rest have backstories that are over the top for when you find them.

>>96926984
But it's because the tadpole has nerfed them. Before tadpole the party would probably be at:
>Gale - Level 17-19
>Durge - Level 18
>Karlach - Level 16
>Wyll - Level 12
>Lae’zel- Level 12
>Shardowheart - Level 8
>Astarion - Level 4

>>96924653
Videogames have their own board newfriend.

>>96926870
I'd argue durge has one it's just not their own.

>>96926984
>maybe there's more to it, I can't stand having him around
That is really it, he was used as a literal honeypot to get sacrifice victims for his master and that's really it. Shadowheart and Lae'zel aren't that insane though, they are basically randos of their respective factions that are only important in the grander scheme of the plot by way of just surviving their group being killed and ending up on the ship.

>>96925266
>I kick the squirrel as hard as I can!
>sigh... roll attack

>>96924653
Go ask >>>/vrpg/, never-game

>>96927457
Since you don't have a choice in that matter would the squirrel scene be the player or the DM's fault?

>>96927473
Stuff like this has special backgrounds in Pathfinder and such, so potentially the DMs "fault"

>>96924653
>no dwarf, halfling or gnome
Justify that.

>>96928071
Cut content because the tall sexy ones were better marketing. This was clearly the wrong choice because a BG game that doesn't have a dwarf sniping at you is not a BG game.

>>96924653
No, they each have main character syndrome and have goals that are wildly unsynergetic

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>>96928071
I'll play the halfling and romance Karlach. She wants it anyway

Astarion and Minty are genuinely good characters for a rpg, even if they're mainly carried by excellent VAs. Lae'zel's also good. Shadowheart is just the developer mandated waifu and Gale is incredibly obnoxious but at least they both share the
>I am being abused, gaslit and manipulated by daddy/mommy and my arc is deciding whether to break free or continue the cycle, because this is what every piece of millenial writing amounts to
with the rest of the party.I still don't know what the fuck they were thinking with Wyll. Not only is he incredibly boring, a Gary Stu, and starts off with an already finished character arc, but he does the worst thing a character can do: trick you into making you think he's interesting before revealing how boring he is. Fuck Wyll.

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>>96925266
Bhaalspawn in BG 1-2
>hear bhaal in their dreams, dream visions, some have strange powers
"Bhaalspawn" in BG 3
>sometimes blacks out and murders people for no reason, random violent urges
?

>>96928735
There's a piece of ingame lore that says Bhaalites experience sexual orgasm when they kill. This aint your grandpappy's Bhaal.

>>96928735
Original bhaalspawn were actual children of bhaal, as in he actually impregnated women. Durge is an actual piece of bhaal formed into a living being and he's essentially always whispering in your ear.

>>96924653
Eh, 6/10. Pretty average party for modern players in terms of personalities. Some credit is deserved for actually having a decent variety of classes instead of being something like 4 warlocks and 2 sorcerers like many parties.

>>96928406
>I still don't know what the fuck they were thinking with Wyll
Originally he was a charlatan who was gaking the folk hero persona and his backstory was he fell in love with a devil and is now a warlock. Didn't playtest well(he was consistently voted least popular) so they just made him into a bland nothing character who is still usually considered the worst of the bunch.

>>96929443
Funny enough happened with Halsin too, original lore for him was a lot darker in the role he played with the shadow curse and him being the one who killed Isobel. But making him a companion because playtesters were downbad for him sanitized most of it.

>>96924653
is the game good? haven't tried it because everything looks gay and I'm not a fan of nuLarian's postironic reddit writing style

>>96930408
Well it does the bioware formula better than modern bioware does, but that's not a hard bar to clear. Doesn't have the normal Larian whimsy, you can actually be fucking evil.

>>96930408
It's no more ribbit than DA:O but the story is a little mediocre
That said, good game otherwise

>>96930424
>>96930426
huh, with the bear sex memes and the way everyone's comparing it to dos2, I was expecting it to be that but with extra cringe, honestly
I still feel like the male characters are clearly designed to look homosexual

>>96930460
DOS2 is actually reasonably similar to BG3, it's DOS1 that's the real offender with its constant gay le quirky joke writing

>>96924653
7 Party for a campaign (+the 3 optional companion) is a ridiculously large table, too messy for a lenghty campaign. Class wise its fine.

I could however expand on how I autistically project each characters as players, but to keep it short
>Would like/love to have at the table
-Lae'zel
-Wyll
-Jaheira
>Would be wary
-Shadowheart
-Astarion
-Minthara
>Would not allow or end up kicking out of the table
-Gale
-Dark Urge
-Halsin

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>>96930426
>>96930424
>>96930460

>blatant samefag shilling to hide how shit the game is

roll dice to do basic attack that misses, do different attack that's meant either for attacking a large foe or groups because that roll was bullshit, wait entire turn for enemies to shit on you, repeat until you win or load save. Being evil softlocks you, so you have to be good or else. Every character is some fruit, ugly, or a dutch jewish writer's trans self-insert (there's three of them and they're all the hetero options) they brought back characters from BG2 just to uglify and character assassinate them, they removed actual Gods for the paladin so you worship the holiness of nothing, anti-paladin is frowned upon and you have a scottish moralfag jannie because apparently being an anti-paladin off the rip couldn't be done more simply, being a mage makes 90% of all tedium be removed, you can bypass the combat entirely by just using fire and explosive barrels and the actual city of Baldur's Gate is unfinished content that's never getting finished. All of it is frontloaded in act 1 and the default of character relationships is the male druid liking you. Fuck off with your pozzed bastardization of D&D you lying jews.

>>96931285
>but to keep it short
I'm intrigued now, make it long.

I get why Gale and Durge are in the bottom, but why Halsin?

Also, Shadowheart should be higher, she seems fine. Maybe because of Main Character Syndrome?

>>96928735
>BG1 Bhaalspawn, Sarevok and arguably Orin are blood descendants of Bhaal. They are his heirs but they are basically just worshipers who have access to greater blessing of their patron as his essence has been diluted by mortal pairings

>Durge is a literal piece of Bhaal shaped into a being. Essentially an avatar of his made manifest on the mortal world. The urge to kill is literally in your nature.

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>>96931322
I noticed i forgot Karlach, she would be at the bottom of the first tier, and yeah, Shadowheart could be moved up a bit.

>Astarion
His backstory/character was already written & fleshed out before the campaign pitch was even given to the player. Player is a fan of vampire and wants to play one whenever she joins a campaign, no matter the setting. GM relents by limiting that to vampire spawn. Very disruptive/chaotic, tries to feed on the other players, this end up leading to a talk from the GM & the other players who were annoyed at the antics. Either leaves the group, or ends up being a well rounded & roleplayed character.
more or less what happened in one of my table, except that the player changed character because they were so annoying, and left the campaign because she kept making unsufferable characters[/spoiler
]
>Lae'Zel
As soon as the player got the hook for the campaign, they read up on everything related to Illithid & Gith, including the made up language. Very enthusiastic and into roleplaying a Gith.
Starts out a bit too abrasive & hostile in character, which leads to potential PvP, like Astarion, needs to be reeled in a bit to maintain a good attitude for the remainder of the campaign.

>Gale
Like Astarion, is a whole OC/pc from a previous campaign with an extensive backstory and deeds that are way out of proportion compared to the intended campaign starting level. GM gives him a chance still because they are friend IRL, but makes up a reason for why the character would be depowered (something that will be reused for Karlach & Wyll). Massive protagonist syndrome, wants the magic item and make up the rule that he has to consume them without the GM inputs. Either ruins the campaign, get booted, or by some miracle, get his head out of his ass.

>>96931310
>roll dice to do basic attack that misses
Do you not play RPGs?

>>96924668
The only one who looks remotely like contemporary d&d players is the hideous frog asian.

>>96928735
Bhaalspawn in the original games were not really consistent in how their heritage manifested.

>>96931529
fucked up spoilers,huh
>Shadowheart
Newish player who is trying to get into the lore. Found Shar cool so went with that as a cleric. Either had a detailed idea regarding the backstory or left out intentionally a lot of element for the GM to imagine due to the in-character amnesia/brainwashing. Player is too nice to properly roleplay an evil character.
>Wyll (might actually be demoted to wary tier)
Like Gale, offered a concept that might be a bit too "experienced" for the campaign starting point. Was also a bit horny when he made his patron, didn't expect the GM to kick his ass so much with her. Invited Karlach player to the table after the start of the campaign, both players+gm worked together to "script" as best they could the character introduction without it ending in PVP.
>Karlach
Completly new player who read up on the lore before. Very enthusiastic but has a hard time managing tone & character personality, which ends up clashing with the general tone the GM wanted for the party & campaign. At the end of the campaign, ends up becoming more experience and well rounded both as player & character.
>The Dark Urge
Last minute addition as the GM was missing a player, made the mistake of putting on an advert at the LGS/discord server/friend group and ended up having the most meta & power gamer around. Kills beloved npcs, act like a murderhobo, argue that he has "character development & redemption arc in mind", one of the first player to get banned from the group, and almost leads to the campaign being cancelled.

Regarding Halsin, I might be biaised because of how he wastes a companion slot & was crammed in by Larian after community demands and how they amped up the horny dialogue with him. Funny to see Shadowheart fag hating on him too

>>96931645
what about Minthara & Jaheira?

>>96927457
That little fucker had it coming.

>>96924701
I think a part of BG3 getting more hate than it deserves here is just that it gets more love than it deserves elsewhere, and as always there´s a counterreaction to that. It´s an alright game but nowhere near the masterpiece some people think it is. Another reason for the hate it gets is probably that it´s not actually a Baldur´s Gate game. Like, it shows absolutely no fondness or respect for BG 1 and 2, it´s at its absolute worst when it brings back old characters from those games, and it´s not in any meaningful way a continuation of the story of those games. I don´t think it´d be nearly as disliked here if it was just some Larian original title set in Forgotten Realms instead of pretending to be a new installment of a beloved classic series.

>>96931572
>Do you not play RPGs?
Look at the board you're posting in, anon
Of course he fucking doesn't

>>96928406
>I still don't know what the fuck they were thinking with Wyll. Not only is he incredibly boring
I like Wyll, because he is only normal and polite person in the fucking circus.

>>96924653
These characters are good IMO but they clearly suffer from Larian not being confident in making the game focused on a unique player perspective instead of having to shoe-horn them into being playable. I hope for Larian's next game they're more confident on allowing your PC to be a force on the world and not a random because you have the option to play a pre-made character with real lore and backstory instead
>>96927255
Also this was pretty silly, especially as it's only implied via dialogue and not in gameplay. This game could have benefitted from a lot more deviation from 5E but I understand Wizards is particularly autistic over forcing game adaptations to use only the latest edition

>>96928735
Bhaalspawn more like Balls pawn

>>96931285
>>96931529
I actually think Durge is relatively a good player to have if you have a character that can roleplay a repentant murderhobo well and not just some dude who kills because it's funny but never lets you put on consequences. Durge is actually INCREDIBLE in that your murderhobo'ing has real consequences

>>96931645
>>96931735
>In a better world we could have skipped Minsc, Jaheira, and Halsin to have more OC as companions like the halfling werewolf bard that got cut
Pain

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>>96932186
I'll always say that Kagha would have been a much better druid companion than Halsin/Jaheira
>Her story would be Halsin staying as the leader but sending Kagha with the party to atone for her actions during the Emerald Grove shit.
>Could culminate with her seeking to help the refugees at Baldur's Gate (Jaheira's 'children') and shown how she has grown from wanting to exile the tieflings refugees in Act 1

>>96932514
>also better in the sense that she would be recruitable after Emerald Grove as opposed to Halsin/Jaheira who you only really get to recruit at the end of Act 2 so you get to spend much more time with her as a companion.

>>96931735
Minthara strikes me more as a temporary npc that the players liked a lot, so the GM retconned her being dead to bring her back in a later part of the campaign.
Jaheira & Minsc are either old npcs from a previous campaign, or old friends of the gm who are passing by his town so he brought them in for a few session
>>96932514
Could have worked out, I don't mind some companions having less content than other or not being easy to get (Kagha can easily die in a blind playthrough i guess).
>>96932186
I would have liked to have one companion per class
>halfling bard that was cut. Don't know if the werewolf angle would have been that interesting
>Monk from the Lathander monastery who wants to go back there after a pilgrimage, only to discover that it fell, could have had some conflict with Lae'zel. Either a wood elf, or a dwarf for le funny contrast.
>Dark Urge as a fleshed out companion as a storm sorcerer
No idea for the ranger, I guess just Minsc for that is fine.

>>96931310
>roll dice to do basic attack that misses, do different attack that's meant either for attacking a large foe or groups because that roll was bullshit, wait entire turn for enemies to shit on you, repeat
Yeah it's D&D anon.

>>96932514
Kagha would have been better I agree. Halsin comes off as rather lazy for pushing off his duty to guide you which he fails at doing despite having the semi-cute plot with his weirdo friend
>>96932598
In a better game too Minthara would join you on and off to get a feel for her until she joins you formally near the middle of act 2. But of course Larian's act structure prevents this sort of story-progress based scenes which are more possible in games where your party is moved around without your consent like BG1-2 or Final Fantasy.
Dark Urge should have been a fleshed out companion if they wanted to really go ham on the independent companions I agree. As for why halfling got cut we know
>extensive rewrites to the characters and story before being locked in for a 3 act game
>cut act 4 and Karlach questline
>cut upper BG
>Karlach going through a bajillion rewrites before they settled on a character design and story
Halfling chick was a casualty of Karlach and Act2/3 requiring way more iteration than Larian probably wanted to do. As for a ranger Minsc should have been in the game much earlier. I'm a big fan of all the PCs having the tadpole shit going on

>>96931310
tl;dr I am a nogames faggot too retarded to play tabletop games.

>add jaheira to the game
>you can't fuck her
What the fuck were they thinking?

>>96933360
Something other than fucking Jaheira.

>>96926870
I don't need an internal monologue, just a grippy pussy.

>>96928071
>gnome
No one likes gnomes, they're fucking retarded, they're only good as a racist stand-in for Jews in Arcanum.
>halfling
No one anywhere cares about halflings or ever has or ever will.
>dwarf
Alright this one is indefensible.

>>96933326
>post truth about shit game
>retarded brownoid misuses the wrong 4chan quip because they got called out

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>>96933643
anon the game is full of jewish nonsense and millennial headache inducing writing, we know this, the game was shilled fucking everywhere. we know it's cringe, we know the gameplay was competent but incredibly basic at best, and we know they didnt even try to make the dialogue feel immersive in a medieval fantasy world. it sucks but it's not a 0/10 because we get genuine garbage published by major companies so often that what is objectively shitty is now considered okay. personally I would never dream of giving the company and their employees money for creating this shit so it's disheartening seeing people, even posters here, buy it and give it some popularity by discussing it. I assume you feel the same way with what you posted here.
with all that said, there's still a sadly large amount of people who will pay for it and play it regardless which means people will dissect what's there. OP wanted some discussion about the game's companions or whatever so this thread exists, you clicked on it which means you know that this thread will actually talk about the game and whatever redeeming features it has. I know it sucks seeing this garbage get traction and get threads about it but what the hell can we do? it exists, it's very popular, it made bank, and apparently this is where gaming and american culture/poltiics is heading now.
if you needed some confirmation that this game is indeed terrible then here it is. now dont be surprised that anons will continue to talk about it on this thread. it's natural to get negative feelings when you see this shlock getting some real discussion or even praise but you making a paragraph about how much you hate it will get you rage baiters and trannies who will say the opposite of whatever you say. learn to ignore it, I learned this years ago and I can say it's a peaceful feeling to be out of the know of all the lame and gay stuff that gets made these days and able to ignore them whenever I see praise and such for it all.

>>96933643
404 truth or thoughts not found.
>>96933861
Retarded pasta is retarded.

>>96933961
spent like ten minutes typing and editing that to be nice to you anon, just go back to /pol/ if you're just gonna bait

>>96934020
Go gargle cocks somewhere else, moron.

>>96933861
this thread exists because of shills anon. That's why I shit on them. They're dishonest. So I call them out on the dishonesty. BG2 was better. Wrath of the righteous despite the feminist groid pozz, was better. Rogue trader, was better. This is an abomination and anyone pretending it isn't is lying or stupid. So which is it? lying or stupid?

>can waltz into goblin camp
>can party with goblins after battle
>can't fuck them

>>96931825
>I don´t think it´d be nearly as disliked here if it was just some Larian original title set in Forgotten Realms instead of pretending to be a new installment of a beloved classic series.
I'd agree with that, mostly because that is one of my major issues with it personally speaking.
I will admit that Baldur's Gate 1, 2, and ToB probably aren't as good as I like to remember them since I've been playing them since I was a child, but I'm not the only one who really enjoyed them and got interested in the clusterfuck setting that is Forgotten Realms due to them and I also these days think they should have had a different name themselves since only the first game focused on it as important when it was more of a story about dealing with Bhaal's shit, naming it something related to the Bhaalspawn stuff with a subtitle for each game something like Bhaalspawn Saga: Hero of Baldur's Gate, Bhaalspawn Saga 2: Shadows of Amn, Bhaalspawn Saga: Throne of Bhaal would have been better and anyone who is getting paid to write should be able to make better titles than the shit ones I slapped together. Baldur's Gate 3 feels completely unrelated other than "Oh here's Jaheira, Viconia, and I guess Minsc too, and Sarevok is around kind of too!" and "Also here's some retard continuation of the retard undoing of the Bhaal shit that made BG1+2+TOB feel pointless in the long run", which creates a feeling like they don't give a shit about the originals. Naming it something related to the whole illithid clusterfuck instead would have made a lot more sense.

What is it about this game that attracts only the most mentally ill degenerates?

>>96934589
That sounds like retarded cope about the game selling very well.

>>96931825
I think a big part of BG3's success is, plain and simple, lack of actual competition. It launched right when Dragon Age was stuck in development hell and there were no other major CRPGs competing aside from Rogue Trader (which caters to a somewhat different crowd by virtue of being a WH40k game). Yes, the writing is flawed, but it's still good enough that, without any CRPG that could match it, people ran to it like an oasis in the middle of the desert. People were craving for anything that resembled golden age Bioware stuff and BG3 was the closest we got

>>96932514
Halsin was only made an option because of all the people thirsting over his design on the internet.

Which is unfortunate, because the initial SWOLE memes were funnier than the later "fuck everything that moves" parts.

>>96933643
>post truth about shit game
The joke is that it is true but that's because it's an accurate portrayal of 5e.

>>96935309
Was BG even planned as a series from the start? My impression of BG1 was that it was self-contained story, and the other games only happened thanks to its success, hence the Baldur's Gate games not set in Baldur's Gate.

>>96937073
Doubtful considering other D&D games of the time. Funny to think there's a timeline where Torment 2 happened.

>>96935309
It's funnier too since due to fan feedback they made most of the Bhaal connections optional. So it ends up with even less continuity. Though resist durge is probably the canon events for any references to it in later lore.

I didn't mind them. Granted I liked the party members from say, Wrath of the Righteous, or even Divinity 2, more, but overall they're perfectly suitable. Just pick your favorites and head on out.

I was playing an Aberrant Mind Sorcerer (thankyou mods) and his backstory was literally just 'random banker's kid dragged up into the Illithid ship, heavily abusing the tadpole to survive' so it gave heavier backstories a bit more room. I mostly kept to Shadowheart, Lae'zel and Wyll. I liked the idea that Wyll was the only responsible one dragging around a Frog and Elf that hated each other and a civilian freaking the fuck out because he hasn't left Baldurs Gate once in his life.

>>96931582
SHUT UP ABOUT MY WIFE

>>96924653
Sometimes I try to picture who the imaginary "players" behind the companions are.

My favorite theory so far is that Lae'zel is someone's dad who was roped into this 5e campaign after not playing since AD&D.

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>>96931582
>tfw I don't look like this

>>96924653
Laezel is a qt
Gale likes to eat too much but I'd like his mage hand, if you get my drift
Wyll is a little fruity
Karlach is a tender flower who I don't want to hurt
Shadowheart is mean
I don't have time for vampires
I want to play the Dark Urge

>>96927255
Yeah, they seriously gave Gale a backstory implying he's cast 9th level spells in the past and then capped you at 12th lol

>>96931397
>be an Avatar of a God
>have uncontrollable impulses
This makes it make even less sense than the reverse. Enjoying something isn't the same as an addiction and a literal portion of a God having no agency is max retarded

>>96931397
Sarevok is just a normal guy in BG3. He lost his spark of godhood when he died in BG1, he gets resurrected as a normal person in ToB, the game is explicit about it.
>Durge is a literal piece of Bhaal shaped into a being.
Which is pretty stupid, if he could create life just like that why did he (when he was an actual god, not a subhuman god as he is by the time of BG3) bother fucking all the women?
Hell, why do other gods bother with marking mortals as their chosen when they can just spawn people?

>>96924653
bi elf vampire twink, girl boss all about honor gith, drug/magic addict human, "all about their god" elf, "I'm the hero" human, "Hot" muscle mommy trifling, "I have a darkness in me" dragonborn. Meh, could be worse. Look at fucking dragqueen age

>>96924653
No.

I liked the game, despite it not being a Baldur's Gate game and despite it not being the third installation - the entire title of the game is essentially a lie, and it has no claim to even a shred of continuity, save a corporate document and a gaywad marketing department.

But were they a good party? No. They were a shit party. Practically all of them have pages upon pages of "backstory" completely out of place for low-level characters, and the way they interact is largely nonsensical. The only ones with even reasonable characterization is Lae'zel and Shadowheart.

>>96928834
That is honestly more in line with Forgotten Realms than the original games, so that's probably the thing I'd bitch about the least. Bhaalites have been described as deriving ecstatic pleasure from murders since at least 2nd edition.

>>96938686
Just dicking down some human/elf/dwarf/dragon/chinchilla women may deliver significantly more in the way of results than going to the effort of splitting off your own divine essence and energy to form it into a tiny version of you.

Also, some other gods did decide to switch to spawn. Mystra did it because most of the wizards she fucked couldn't handle her, so she got herself impregnated in a eugenics experiment to create spawn who would be capable of handling divine essence.

>>96938769
>I like the game
>spend the entire post talking shit
kek
>the entire title of the game is essentially a lie
much like the start of the second paragraph of this post

>>96932732
>Dark Urge should have been a fleshed out companion if they wanted to really go ham on the independent companions I agree. As for why halfling got cut we know

Dark Urge (Default class Paladin) seems like he was the original MC plan but got fucked over when the starting companions got upgraded to possible PoV characters.

>>96938633
I wonder if the original plan was that you'd get the option to resist or follow the Urge with something like a will save at various points, but they pruned all the planned choices and options in order to make personal quests for the 6 origins.

>>96938769
>But were they a good party? No. They were a shit party. Practically all of them have pages upon pages of "backstory" completely out of place for low-level characters, and the way they interact is largely nonsensical. The only ones with even reasonable characterization is Lae'zel and Shadowheart.

I heard that the original idea was that all the initial characters were design to be "characters that were unlikely to actually form a party and stay together unless a situation (like the brain tadpoles) forced them to work together." In hindsight it doesn't really work.

>>96938686
Durge is actually a good show of what the issue is, since despite how they were made they are still their own being that Bhaal doesn't have full control over. If you take the time to read into them as well it seems like they were naturally not even a killer until they had a parental figure who bhaal gave them in order to make them one. That being the butler. They mention the butlers go away when not needed, orin's for example was gone after she killed it the first time, since she didn't need to be fostered. Durge on the other hand still has his butler, because they are by their own nature a good person who would reject bhaal if they didn't have constant nagging in their ears. Marking a mortal as your chosen makes more since because you know that mortal is dedicated to you, this doesn't seem to be the case for what durge is.

>>96938686
There's a bigger issue going on, as durge was basically created while Bhaal was dead. As timelinewise Bhaal doesn't resurrect until around 10 years prior to the game, even a dragonborn would be too young.

>>96928142
The fuck is that shit with the arm? I thought they solved this shit in like Witcher 3 if not before. Do some 3d fuckers just not look around or they just can't read?

>>96938910
Yeah, and Durge doesnt really do anything that a mortal chosen wouldnt be able to, whereas Bhaalspawn were born for a very specific purpose.

>>96938686
Bhaalspawn aren't made to be chosen. They're made to be batteries and a giant murderfest machine to resurrect and restore Bhaal. They were never Chosen, and nor were their mothers - just seed dumps in Bhaal's opinion, he cared nothing for them.

>>96939649
I played the games, I know the original bhaalspawn were spawned for that purpose but Durge wasnt, he's just a general variety servant of Bhaal.

problem with this game is that Tav is shit. its a husk. it feels like one of the custom followers you create in other RPGs with no personality, story or even voice. also reactivity is weird with tav and durge. if you play a half-drow for example people treat you as BALDURAN and even duergars think you are just a human. Why is underdark in the game anyway? It feels like they just collected all popular things from Faerun setting and patched them all together. theres underdark, theres drow, but they are not drow they are infected, theres driders, theres all the gods actively meddling, theres devils, theres gith, blablablabla. too much.

>>96939769
>if you play a half-drow for example people treat you as BALDURAN and even duergars think you are just a human
You tend to get called q drow more on the surface if you are a half drow. I'd imagine duergar are familiar enough with drow to know you ain't full blooded.

>>96939769
>Why is underdark in the game anyway?
Ties into a few secondary plots, guess you wouldn't naturally have to make that happen but the stuff with Kethric is actually one of the more interesting stories if you take the time to read it.

>>96931825
Yes, as we've discussed before, the userbase of 4chan is a bunch of hipsters who have a pathological need to shit on popular things.

>>96936113
>I think a big part of BG3's success is, plain and simple, lack of actual competition
BG3 success is mainly due to an excellent communication campaign that made people who thought RPG in video game were limited to MMO and Skyrim aware of it. I saw so many people being ecstatic over thing like you having a special dialogue line for your class or being able to have different ending for a quest depending of your choices when it's common in CRPG.

>>96940916
>Ties into a few secondary plots
It actually makes no sense. Kethric is looking for another way to get into the sanctuary. His sanctuary, That he already has an agent inside. It's just mumbo jumbo. All of the first act is a collection of sidemissions. You actually don't have to do any of them.

>>96926870
>first piece of dialogue posted in the thread
>I'm fucking free
sigh

>>96943970
>All of the first act is a collection of sidemissions. You actually don't have to do any of them.
Well yeah anon, it's called agency, you aren't just doing things because the quest marker says so right?

>>96943970
>That he already has an agent inside
If you haven't noticed his agent has made zero headway in actually getting into it.

>>96931825
>no questing
>no traveling
>no world map to explore
>no weather
>no no day-night cycle
>cut content
>dogshit writing
>dogshit storytelling
>0 regard for any lore
>woke tranny shit stuffed down your throat
>garbage dev
The game is genuine trash and all of Swens pathetic dicksuckers need to kys themselves asap.
Imagine jerking off a game lacking features that were industry standard in the 90s.
Also not traditional games.

>>96931825
Jaheira and Minsc were handled well, it's only with Sarevok and Viconia they shat the bed.

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>>96931582
>hideous
Lying is a sin, and you must die for it.

>>96944436
>a game lacking features that were industry standard in the 90s
You saying the original Baldur's Gate's had all those features you mentioned?

>>96944445
Jaheira is leading a completely different life and raising a black kid and Minsc is just a comic relief retard who is essentially an easter egg character. Also ruined by being voiced by Mercer.
Fuck off with your bullshit.

>>96944463
>Minsc is just a comic relief retard
So nothing changed?

>>96944463
What were you expecting with Jaheira? Her being a cool adventure granny and adopting kids fits pretty well with who she was. Minsc meanwhile has always been a retarded comedy character.

>>96944463
>Jaheira is leading a completely different life
I to expect people to not change at all after 100 years of experiences.

>>96944450
You are replying to someone who probably only just smart enough to turn on his computer. He very unlikely to played any CRPG.

>>96944450
It had a day night cycle and BG2, which is essentially a 90s game, added weather. Ultima and Daggerfall featured it.
Even a shitty shovelware hero RTS game made by a bunch of Russians from the early 2000s I played as a child had a day and night cycle and occasional rain.
A multi million dollar project from the 2020s not having any weather, any change in the environment, is just pathetic and utterly soulless.

>>96944478
>What were you expecting with Jaheira?
Nothing because I wasnt planning to shoehorn her into my EA scam cashgrab to make poser cheer and create some superficial connection with the Bioware games that doesnt exist in any aspect of the game.

>>96944490
reddit

>>96944509
Figures you are some fart huffer who thinks playing rpgs makes him somehow superior to other man children playing video games. Which is why you say "crpg" instead of "rpg", just makes it sound so much more exclusive.

>>96944517
>and utterly soulless
Yeah, much more soulful to just do what AAA openworld slop does.

>>96944531
So yes, you are retarded nogames who never played any RPG of any kind.

>>96944582
What kind of logic is that? Because "AAA" games do something good you cant do it because "AAA" le bad?
Fucking dumbass Lariandrone.

>>96944610
>hurp durp le nogames
I accept your concession.

>>96944682
Sorry anon many CRPG fans don't want to just play the same openworld skyrim slop, if you do that's fine but it's not really what fans of the genre are after.

>>96944682
Everyone accept that you are retarded and drool on yourself.

>>96944703
The "fans of the genre" are drooling retards.
A FIFA playing giga normie has higher standards.

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>>96937151
It did, it was just a sequel building on the same themes in a different continuity like Final Fantasy.

>>96928071
There was going to be a halfling werewolf bard in the game at one point but she got cut in favour of Halsin because bear daddy got all the EA players horny.

>>96931310
>they removed actual Gods for the paladin so you worship the holiness of nothing

3e did that, faggot.

>>96932147
>These characters are good IMO but they clearly suffer from Larian not being confident in making the game focused on a unique player perspective instead of having to shoe-horn them into being playable.

I wonder if it's just Larian's MO - they did the same thing with DOS2.

>>96933360
About Halsin's furry asshole.

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>>96933602
>No one anywhere cares about halflings or ever has or ever will.
Incorrect, I require them for my size difference fetish and shota-stand-ins.

>>96928071
I'll never fully forgive them for cutting the gnome waifu

>>96925723
Dark Urge would work if the player wanted to play a character with amnesia and the DM had full control of their backstory

>>96925752
Six. Dark Urge is special and is PC only.
It also has to do with accommodating the player and making sure that you can have a balanced party.

>>96945857
Even before that, weren't Paladins more White Knights rather than outright religious? When I think of Paladins bring a firmly religious class, I think of 4e more than any of the other editions.

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>>96946592
I'd still disagree because the backstory makes the character go against the other PCs. I'd be annoyed if another player killed random NPCs overnight.
A better example of an amnesia backstory would be Castti Florenz from Octopath Traveler. There is a mystery of finding out their past, a looming threat, and most importantly, no reason to go against the party.
Whether or not an amnesia backstory, where the player just doesn't want to write a backstory, should be allowed is something to be discussed too.

>>96944517
if Jaheira and Minsc weren't in BG3 you'd just be crying more about how it's not connected to the previous games at all and shouldn't be called Baldur's Gate

>>96946672
In Forgotten Realms, paladins always had to be religious. Belief was mandatory for everyone before WotC started retconning it halfway through 5e.

>>96931310
>roll dice to do basic attack that misses,
why is a person like this on /tg/?
It's not even that he has never played an RPG before, he clearly never even played a tabletop game before.
He doesn't even understand what a dice roll is.

>>96946835
He's right though, all good video game RPGs did away with the "roll to hit" mechanic. Skyrim didn't become the world's best selling RPG because you missed 80% of attacks like Morrowind

>>96946887
Are you talking about quality or sales? Because sales BG3, xcom, and hell even pokemon clearly prove that people are perfectly fine with missing attacks due to bad RNG.
If you're talking about quality, why did you mention skyrim? Morrowind is clearly the better quality game.

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>>96946903
>BG3
Literally shilled by tencent, yet most people I've ever spoken to hate the RNG-heavy nature of the game. Most popular mods are dice cheat mods.
>XCOM
Dead franchise nobody cares about, also not an RPG.
>pokemon
Baby games bought by Nintendo fanatics and millennial parents for their children
>morrowind better than skyrim
Don't make me laugh

>>96946980
Oh, you're the schizo from /v/, no wonder you don't know anything about tabletop RPGs.
Go back to /v/ faggot, we have enough retarded schizos on /tg/ already.

>>96924653
They were ok. I'm not too keen on any of the characters from any of the BG games to be totally honest. I just find most RPG parties boring after playing Arcanum.
All of the voiced companions in that game have so much of value to say, both to other companions, but also to non-companion story characters, like Nasrudin and Kerghan.
In fact, if you have both Virgil and Arronax in your party when speaking to Kerghan and fail his hidden charisma check, the dialogue they interject with is really powerful. Having a man who was functionally dead for a few minutes and an elf who's caused the deaths of thousands of innocents both uniting against this depressed necromancer who just wants the world to be at peace is really touching and also shows how messed up the cyclical nature of Arcanum's world really is, where the gods trick the lower realm into destroying their own technological advancements every millenium when the mortal races get too advanced for their comfort.
Kerghan is arguably right to want to end it and create a world where nothing can be painfully brought back from death or obscurity, but Virgil and Arronax also make good points, since their peace is derived from the redemption they found in life.
God, what an amazing game. Sorry for the blogpost, I know half of you have no idea what I'm blabbering about but hopefully a fellow Troika anon knows what I'm talking about.
Bottom line is, BG fans, you should also play Arcanum if you haven't already, it's great.

>>96924653
lol no

>>96931310
>roll dice to do basic attack that misses
>you can bypass the combat entirely by just using fire and explosive barrels
Do you want alternative solutions to combat encounters or not, faggot?

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Leaning back to the original topic, would it be possible to fix Gale's backstory, or any of the other party members?

>>96946887
Skyrim´s hardly a great example ofa good cRPG, anon. It´s an alright game but it´s appeal is broad rather than deep. I´d rate pretty much all of Owlcat´s games, for all their flaws, above Skyrim, for instance.

>>96947876
NTA and I want more but I'm not sure Larian's environment interactions and designs in terms of red barrel orgies is the correct choice. Would prefer more ways to talk your way out of combat or more holes in the ground/traps to play with personally

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>>96924653
No

>>96947148
Arcanum is pretty kino. Have you played Planescape? It has good companions like that though arguably they're interjecting a lot less in the actual story. It's a different vibe, though Troika has always excelled at dialogue and character writing. I just wish they vampire the masquerade had companions or was properly finished

>>96947148
It's a great buggy mess. I remember really enjoying it. And even if for nothing else, Arcanum is based for naming (((the gnome))).

>>96924908
>>96928136
They have main character syndrome because they are all literally designed to be the potential main character, depending on who you pick.

>>96924653
no dwarven fighter
no wood elf ranger
no halfling rogue
fantasy has moved on, i see.

>>96949053
Avoiding archetypes mainly to be different rather than because it fits the setting sometimes I fear

>>96948212
Lae'zel followed by Wyll or Astarion would be the easiest to tone down
Gale specifically would need a whole rework because putting aside his level 20 backstory, he's shit

>>96948212
>gale
Remove him being Mystra's lover and make him instead yearn for that role which led to him stealing the magic, plays more to his ambitions especially with his evil ending.
>astarion, lae'zel, shart
Their backstories are perfectly serviceable for what they are.
>wyll
Go back to his original EA plot of being a noble boy who fell in love with a devil.
>karlach
Not really sure you can fix that without fundamentally changing the character, make her a cambion npc or something.
>durge
Is perfectly fine as the protagonist of the game, and if he isn't the protag he's dead so no real reason to mess with it.

>>96931285
Where’s Minsk? And Boo?

>>96950515
I agree, gale is so ridiculously OP in the lore between being Mystra's sex toy and apparently a 25 year old archmage super genius that he shouldn't have ever been caught.

>>96951347
Mystra acquires the best and brightest all the time, and yes she uses sex to entice them too.

>>96950515
Mystra being a weirdo who grooms mortals is a very established part of her characterization, however. That was always the move believable part of his backstory.

>>96951347
I feel like the weird orb was supposed to already be eating his magic before he was even tadpolled, but that's just headcanon. I mean if it needs to eat magic items, it should have already started eating the magic in his body.

>OP still bumping his /v/ shit spam

>>96924653
I'm not playing this gay piece of shit no matter what. Just like Gay Age 2.

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>>96924653
Shadowheart is bae.

>>96953477
He did the orb stuff when he fell out of Mystra's favor, which I can only assume happened roughly like a year to half a year before the story seeing as how he needed help managing it and didn't fully understand what he could do with it until the game
>>96952459
The best and brightest wouldn't get mindflayer'd

>>96944450
BG2 certainly did, what argument are you making?

>>96955864
she isn't that big

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>>96957351

>>96944429
Not that guy but in act 1 the cultists in the underdark - the drow with the gnome slaves and duergar - on Ketherics orders, are explicitly looking for an entrance to Shar's temple. Which is what Ketheric should be perfectly aware of since he built it, the entrance is in his fucking family tomb and Balthasar who claims to have cast the ritual on Nightsong that gives Ketheric invulnerability, had to go there to resurrect him in the first place.
Also Balthasar making zero headway makes no sense since it's number one priority for Ketheric and he's sitting on an entire army doing jackshit.
And it's never even explained what they need Nightsong for, when she's already locked in a ritual that's buffing Ketheric.
The more you think about the BG3's story the less sense it makes.

>>96959229
I think like most things its an EA I think a lot of the plot changed after act 1 was nearly complete abd they didn't think about the implications or just didn't have time to rework it.

>>96959229
I wrote off BG3 as 'not having a story' pretty early on and so stopped thinking about it critically. I had never thought about this. Jesus Christ...

>>96924653
>no drunken dwarf with a funny accent
How am supposed to play this?

>>96959229
I guess the because it’s shar’s temple and it difficult for them to get in, being a traitor to shar and all. Plus most of the followers are being controlled and lied to and don't really know what is going on.
He wants to imprison nightsong himself to prevent her from being freed or sacrificed to Shar, which is what happens if he doesn’t succeed in getting her.

They most likely wrote these individual parts without fully thinking through how they fit together, so the rationalization is kind of retroactive and tenuous, but it is there.

>>96924653

I don't like how over-the-top are some of these character backstories. It teaches wrong practises.