What's up with GW and their models getting comically busy? I'm not saying details are inherently bad and the minis do look great but, as a newbie painter with not much time for the hobby, almost every model looks intimidating. It seems like the new stuff is tailor made for "professional" YouTube painters and people who can spend a lot of time on a mini, which is not wrong per se but the accessibility surely suffers from it.Not even this board seems to acknowledge this.
doesnt bother me
>>96938636CAD design. if you have a mesh why not copy paste it? especially if your goal is model sales, not models assembled, models painted or games played
The original Abaddon is also covered in detail.
>>96938636Personally I find the one on the left easier to paint due to the size difference and the trin being larger but that's just me struggling with tiny dudes
>>96938636The new one is less busy than the old one. He did become twice as big though.
>>96938636>Not even this board seems to acknowledge this.It comes up all the time on this board.Also a special character centerpiece model is a bizarre example to use to whine about this.I conclude that you're a bot.
>>96938737>>96938741>>96938744>>96938746God I hate this board. I knew you low iq redditors would start whining about Abaddon, so let's pretend I posted pic related instead
>>96938764Should've started with this shit brother. But like the abaddon example proves gw has always been extremely busy. It just was usually reserved for characters.
>>96938764not every army is meant for beginners. that being said this army would be really fun to paint using just 7 or 8 contrasts ( and steel, and gold).
>>96938764>i knew this was a shit picture to use, but used it anywayMaybe you're the retard here then.
>>96938815It's always been busy but not THAT busy>>96938828You think so? I use contrast/speedpaints almost exclusively and they don't seem that fun to paint, do you use contrast paints?>>96938837Not an answer
>>96938764Let's pretend you posted a second example that fatally undermines your central claim? I'll remind you anon that someone pretending to be retarded is externally indistinguishable from an actual retard.
>>96938896It didn't undermine anything, you functional illiterate, and you still didn't answer
>>96938636far too many people think more = better. See also the featured page on myminifactory
I agree with OP's sentiment, but >>96938764 isn't that bad.Stuff like Chaos Space Marines are just a pain to paint. I got the Kill Team Hivestorm box recently, and while the Vepsids aren't bad, the Aquilons have CSM-tier trim despite basically just being regular military guys.
>>96938636>as a newbie painter with not much time for the hobby, almost every model looks intimidatingYou're not the target market. You're supposed to get hyped up, consume product, buy official GW paints and painting accessories, then get excited for next product. Nowhere in this process is painting and modeling supposed to feature except as vessel for making you excited for new product. Welcome to GW, hope it helps.(seriously though, I had the first Abaddon and he was very detailed even then, didn't bother me since he was a lord and a named character but holy fuck, they managed to make the 2019 version overdetailed and underdetailed at the same time)
GW churn and burn mindsetyou get into the hobby, you buy a bunch of kits, you inevitably get burnt out and drop itthen GW replaces you with the next sucker who does the exact same thing
>>96938919That's what I was trying to say but everyone started sperging about Abaddon as if he wasn't overly detailed in the first place>>96938920I'd like to get the Hivestorm box as well and yeah, the Aquilons seem quite complex. Did you use contrast paints or regular paints?>>96939038That sound very plausible actually lol
>>96938764I don't get why people have been freaking out about this kit.Hair, cloth and chainmail are among the easiest most beginner-friendly textures to paint. Beyond that each marauder has... skin, a belt buckle, and one dangly charm?GW is models can definitely be overloaded with detail but the marauders are not a good example.
>>96938636Ever since Chapterhouse, GW has been looking for ways to beat or suppress competition.On the IP side it's simple. "Our space elves are actually Aeldari (TM) so you can't legally copy our designs."On the model side it's also simple. "We can afford better mould technology than you, so anything you produce to imitate our stuff will be less detailed and look out of place next to us". This also protects them against recasting: it's relatively easy easy and common to recast the likes of a Forgeworld Titan, they're just large but mostly simple shapes designed for resin moulds: you can't recast a Knight, since no human hands can get that much detail into plastic. Finally, "We are GW and you should pay more for our models for that reason alone." The company wants to keep up its reputation as the premium wargames product. The point isn't that you will spend a hundred hours painting a character- they sell Contrast paints to reassure people that you could soend half an hour or less, no matter the detail. The point is that you *could* spend one hundred hours on the character, and they want that to be an implicit reason why you should spend over twenty English pounds on one humanoid miniature.
>>96939105>that's what I was trying to sayBut why would you then post a picture that goes against your initial claim lol
>>96939173>you cant recast a knightyou can
>>96938920>isn't that bad.nigga there are like 7 different things you are going to want to paint for a single model. ON FUCKING CHAFF. Thats going to take you longer than any chaos space marine.
>>96939395This. But apparently the other incels refuse to admit it and feel the need to defend a multi million company.
>>96939173I get the point you're making, but resin moulds inherently allow for more complex detail than plastic moulds and it's trivial to recast plastic spruesThe downside to recasting is that resin is annoying to work with compared to plastic and you can produce plastic at a much higher volume, which is why GW has mostly phased out resin
I can see why people think this is bad, but what makes a good model then? Clean lines of action? Would a neutral pose work better? How much detail is too much? Too little?Imo GW should take some design philosophies from RTS models even if tge constraints and pressures on selling models aren't 1:1.
>>96938636Simply don't paint the detail. How would you have felt if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?
>>96938636It's done to combat 3d printing and stand out from the competition.
>>96940394what are you some kind of bug-soul Asian with no soul?>just leave the model half unpainted, it looks just a good!No it doesn't: we have something called "aesthetics" in the West, you would not understand.
>>96939105>That's what I was trying to say but everyone started sperging about Abaddon as if he wasn't overly detailed in the first placeThat was your whole point schizo - that they're "getting comically busy" - and you provide an example to demonstrate that they've always been busy.Feel free to show some examples of minis from the last 5 years (non-GW) to demonstrate what you think the right level of detail is.
>>96938636>looks intimidatingSo it isn't about the models, it's about you being a scaredy little shit. Grow a spine and get painting or fuck off.>>96938764Knowing your example is shit, but posting it anyway, doesn't mean you don't deserve shit for using a shitty example. Quite the opposite. And both that you used it regardless, and that you think knowing it was going to absolve you, tells us you're as stupid as the old GW screw lid paint pots.
>>96939038>Nowhere in this process is painting and modeling supposed to featureThat'll fit OP great then, since it's having to engage with the painting process beyond an absolute minimum scares the shit out if him and the entire thing he's bitching about.
>>96939120Because like OP they never got past the first lesson in Painting 101, and so have fuck all clue about it all. They see "lots of stuff", shit their pants, and give up.
>>96938764Pic related is somewhat sneaky insofar that they are trying to make good looking models that can compete with historical and also look distinctive Warhammer-ish. Basically: They need a reason for you to consider not just buying Victrix Vikings instead.
C'mon OP, tell us what you think the right level of detail ought to be so that this thread isn't complete dildos and we can actually discuss something. Here's some examples.
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>>96941444>we can actually discuss somethingOther than OP's painting insecurity.
>>96938636Maybe quit being a fag? Oh no my models have too much detail. Like does it matter that it takes longer to paint? you only paint a model once and more details is not something to complain about.
>>96938636Newer Abby is actually LESS detail dense because the details have room to breathe. On the original, you can't even see his chestplate under the hoses and gold trim. They have the same amount of detail from what I can tell. >>96938882>I use contrast/speedpaints almost exclusivelyGo fuck yourself.
>>96938882>It's always been busy but not THAT busyNew abandon has the same amount of detail as the old one. Its just larger so people complain because "Nu bad"
Upscaling the size means they an charge more.
>>96938920Trim is not hard to paint lmaoNow, flesh....
>>96941444>>96941453>>96941461I don't particularly like the sci-fi models but the vikings and the soldiers are pretty good. Pic related is another good example of adequately detailed minis, imho
>>96942519So, now that we've established that models exist that you aren't afraid to paint you can paint those and stop whining?
>>96942519No offence but GW model are tailored for your discerning painter. For people looking to bring plastic to life, or get closer to being able to do so. There’s plenty of miniature ranges for people looking to just put some paint on plastic, maybe look into the Perry brothers for good starter sculpts! When you feel comfortable move up to GW.
