Why has wizards tried to replace aasimar as the celestial planetouched race twice now?
They're boring.
>>96944890they conform to traditional beauty standards
>>96944892Not the best take on it, but in essence, yeah. Bo-ring. The only cure is to replace it until something sticks.
>>96946968This, kinda.Mostly they're not "interesting" enough.
>>96946968>traditional beauty standardsBlack?
>>96944890A certain kind of 'person' is uncomfortable with a naturally Good race. It gives them traumatic PTSD flashbacks to their body issues.>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Kf3scjsnAPsLook at this. Look at the sheer hatred in the eyes of these women, when beholding someone more attractive than them.
>>96944890That's a Leonin. What the fuck are you on about?
>>96951079It's not enough to make them black, they must also be ugly.
>>96944890Probably just because they haven't caught on in the same way Tieflings have. And the main contributing factor there is just that a cursed PC has more struggles to overcome than a blessed PC.Attempts to improve or change aasimar are mainly a result of people trying to spice them up.One of the better attempts I've seen is from Dungeons The Dragoning of all things
>>96951158This, they need some sort of quantifiable feature like teifing horns and tails. And no, wings don't count. It's why they trying push the holy furry race as a replacement.
>>96944890Looks like they are trying to incorporate Narnia's Aslan into the game now.
>>96951139>asmongold>posting a video from a guy who thinks not bathing causes you to grow an exoskeletonok anon
>>96952957>posting a video from a guy who thinks not bathing causes you to grow an exoskeletondamn that sounds bad ass, if only it worked
>>96953252>>96952957it works for your clothes, if you dont wash them eventually they crust up into an exoskeleton.
>>96952201D:tD just makes them celestial space marines though
>>96944890knowing nothing about whatever current drama you're referencing, but having previously owned the book of exalted deeds from 3.5, this lion guy in your picture fits the vibe of the celestial realms from DnD better than aasimar ever didthey celestial realms were full of half animal benevolent beings
>>96951079>greatsword>art has them attacking with not a greatsword
>>96955236The Guardinals were exclusive to the Beastlands (neutral good/chaotic good heaven). The mostly humanoid Archons were native to the LG Mount Celestia, the elf like Eladrin were native to the CG Arborea and the winged humanoid devas, planetars and solars were spread out all over the upper planes. The majority of the major good outsiders were human like.
>>96944890something something christian nazis something something colored evil races
>>96944890In my experience, nobody actually likes or uses them.
It's because no one uses them despite them being fairly straightforward to use. Most players want "complexity" in their characters, which is why tieflings, which have built in "complexity", are extremely popular.
>>96957204tieflings are popular because sexy succubus not complexity lmoa
>>96944890>Why has wizards tried to replace aasimar as the celestial planetouched race twice now?Because Paizo made the best version of them before folding them into the nephilim, locking a decent version behind Paizo IP, and WotC is staffed by midwits and idiots who lack any decent creativity to make a decent game.In 4e they replaced the aasimar with Devas, and this was wildly successful. Devas are angels that rejected immortality and their celestial bodies to become mortals and live among mortals. Thats fucking cool, they look cool, and have interesting lore and mechanics. It also helps that deva is far easier to spell than aasimar. And while Deva are cool, and helped Paizo create the samsaran race, they arent really a replacement for aasimar.So WotC goes back to including them but in the most half ass bullshit 5e way they can because the devs are shit hacks. Aasimar as presented in the books are always planar touched humans, and their description in 5e paints them as a rather boring normal human with angelic wings. They also get a shitty guardian angel to guide them. This is entirely dogshit design and rather boring.They try to spice it up by making them pseudo-guardinals, the ardlings, but it doesn't pan out and they drop that idea.Now they are still boring shit in '24, but at least they are more varied.The problem is that their description is boring, their mechanics are shit, their writeup paints them as not even being truly celestial until 3rd fucking level. WTF?Meanwhile, Paizo made them open to all races, so you can have aasimar dwarves, orcs, elves, ratfolk, and others. Their looks are varied and interesting depending on celestial heritage, allowing a much wider appearance range that works to ignite the imagination, and their mechanics are simply better and more interesting.And now you can also mix and match with fiend and other planar traits with the nephilim heritage.Basically, WotC doesn't know what to do with them. So the race suffers.
>>96944890They dont get the love they deserve because people look at them and think "wow, a race that is essentially a rich white silver spooner" and can't concieve of nobility being noble. They are used only as a "twist villian". Meanwhile tieflings are the go to planetouched for their "wah wah, my life sucks because i am an outcast of society wah."
>>96957291Lol. Then why are sexy angels not popular you dip? It's because tieflings literally have baked in character backstories for players to use.
>>96958520because angels aren't sexy, you dumbass boomertake a look at the sluts coom baiting online, it's all darker alt aesthetics, the blonde chasteslut aesthetic hasn't been fashionable for almost 20 yearshell, mercy from overwatch is basically the biggest coomer character and her angle theme is the least popular, people are more into her as a basic bitch nurse or office lady, witch, demon etc
>>96958520case in point
>>96958636>angels aren't sexyLol. Lmao. Next your going to say no one likes blondes.To continue with my point, which seems to have missed your cum jammed brain, is that aasimar are not popular because they offer nothing for a player besides a extremely narrowly focused character. Playing a goody two shoes that everyone loves isn't as wanted for a player as opposed to tieflings that have the dark brooding misunderstood hero built into the character.
>>96958724ok boomer
>>96958733Go jerk off and maybe you can converse like a normal human.
>>96958636there's egirls and porn of every flavour my porn addicted friend>angels aren't sexy>angels aren't sexy>angels aren't sexylolwut?>overwatchOh I see now
>>96958520>>96958724It's not men playing tiefling sluts, retard. No woman wants to be an angel, they want to be a sexy demonic seductress (that is totally not just a shallow demonic slut and you're a bigot for objectifying her teehee)
>>96958747ok boomer>>96958754>ignores blatant proof demons are 10x more popular than angelsI'm sure everyone's fantasizing about sexy angels in your headcanon, retard
>>96958754>presents himself as an authority on porn while insulting his opponent for being addicted to porn for apparently not being as familiar with porn as him???
>>96957792>Meanwhile, Paizo made them open to all races, so you can have aasimar dwarves, orcs, elves, ratfolk, and othersReally a great thing for all those, it's nice that most things aren't locked to humans now.
>>96955236I'm torn between making an Umamusume reference or MLP reference.
>>96958520>t's because tieflings literally have baked in character backstories for players to use.Why did dhampirs never catch on?
>>96958821Because they are an even narrower niche the playing a goody two shoe angel?
>>96958762There are not enough women playing TTrpgs to skew the numbers in any direction anon.... unless you count men who think they are women.
>>96958900>t. hasn't stepped outside after lockdownsMy office literally has a girls only D&D group
>Straight white male that likes boobs and blondes>Somehow became the minority opinion in preferences>Still treated as the majority, though
>>96958917>my anecdotes are reality Lol.
>>96958936Do you actually talk to women IRL? Be honest
>>96958951I got under your skin didn't I?
>>96958975I accept your seething sociallet concession
>>96958922Now hold on, Anon. There's plenty of big-boobed blondes still faffing about in fantasy. Like that one character from. Or that couple in that one game called. Or maybe the iconic art of the class. The one with the. Hold on, I got it. What about?
>>96958796>it's nice that most things aren't locked to humans now.It really is. Now you can create all kinds of fun characters and they don't have to be a homebrew reskin of humans or beg the DM to let your change their size or abilities to better fit their "base" race. And the fact that Paizo has turned all these weird planar races into Versatile Heritages is so much better, you can make a ratfolk "water genasi" or a gnoll "tree genasi" (yes, there is a wood elemental plane in PF), or a kitsune "every element genasi". Not to mention the weirder Versatile Heritages like half-werewolf Beastkin, mirror duplicate Reflections, or the fun expansions to nephilim that emphasis the planes of Law, Chaos, fucking Valkyrie, and such. >>96958821>Why did dhampirs never catch on?Niche, tied to vampires instead of the much wider Hell stuff, lack any good visual differences, mainly appeal to goths and fans of old horror stories. Also never a Core race.
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>>96951079That is a fairly good looking black guy
>>96958987>he madLol
>>96959023>t. average aasimar enjoyer
>>96958951Do you?
I don't think it's that, mechanically or lore-wise, aasimar are that boring. There is still a niche for goody-two-shoes races within fantasy and grants interesting roleplay opportunities. I juxtapose the aasimar to the equivalent of it in fantasy's plague: World of Warcraft.In WoW, draenei have a much more in-human appearance and that's part of why they tend to be liked. They have a unique aesthetic that even influenced 4e and 5e tieflings with their abnormally colored skin and their cloven hoofs. They're their own race, unlike aasimar which are basically just humans but better than you in every way.
>>96952201>Probably just because they haven't caught on in the same way Tieflings have.Which is funny considering tieflings have been aggressively downgraded in cool factor since they were first introduced.
>>96951079Barack-iel.
>>96959096>They're their own raceTechnically they are a good version of Eredar who use the name of an originally ugly race.
>>96944890Because they really have no big fantasy to fill that other stuff doesn't do better>I want to play a holy character born good to do goodPaladin and Cleric >I want to have an otherworldly beauty and for others to treat me with respect wherever I goPlay an Elf>I want to be related to a deityDivine Sorcerer, Divine Warlock flavored as your parent giving you power slowly or you slowly awakening your powers, Cleric and Paladin of yourself could also workNot to mention appearance wise being human+ just doesn't have its own pull
>>96961562They can shit on holier-than-thou Paladins by being ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY holier-than-thou. That's a valuable contribution to the game. Nothing that makes Paladin players mad is a mistake.
>>96961046I know they cucked the real draenei. Mostly explaining it from a normie point of view who know them as Broken or Lost Ones.
>>96958951Talking to women IRL is an extremely unejoyable activity. Schopenhauer, who predates modern incels by a century and a half, wrote the following, dead accurate description:Only a male intellect clouded by the sexual drive could call the stunted, narrow-shouldered, broad-hipped and short-legged sex the fair sex: for it is with this drive that all its beauty is bound up. More fittingly than the fair sex, women could be called the unaesthetic sex. Neither for music, nor poetry, nor the plastic arts do they possess any real feeling or receptivity: if they affect to do so, it is merely mimicry in service of their effort to please. This comes from the fact that they are incapable of taking a purely objective interest in anything whatever, and the reason for this is, I think, as follows. Man strives in everything for a direct domination over things, either by comprehending or by subduing them. But woman is everywhere and always relegated to a merely indirect domination, which is achieved by means of man, who is consequently the only thing she has to dominate directly. Thus it lies in the nature of women to regard everything simply as a means of capturing a man, and their interest in anything else is only simulated, is no more than a detour, i.e. amounts to coquetry and mimicry.
>>96958754The issue is that angels are supposed to be sin free, so they act pious including avoiding sinful things like lust, so they can look hot but in and more innocent way, not in a sexy fun way. Also the more saintly attitude of Aasimar is what makes them unpopular, and the reason why the fallen Variant is the most popular one.
>>96944890Because Aasimar have never been popular. Even before Tieflings became a PHB race they were a lot more popular than their celestial counterparts. Likely a big part of that Aasimar don't really have a strong identity beyond "pretty human with divine powers (sometimes with wings)", which overlaps with elves and the cleric and paladin class. I suspect a lot of people who would play Aasimar characters just end up playing a human paladin or cleric (if they want to play a "righteous champion of good" type character) or an elf (if they want to play a "human but better" character). Tieflings have a more defined niche and stronger visual identity (even back when they had random traits, most art gave them some combination of horns, tail, and cloven hooves).WotC has tried to replace the Aasimar with something that has a stronger identity, but so far none of it has stuck.
>>96955236TSR even put out a book with mechanics for playing them, "Warriors of Heaven". Of course, it also had rules for playing Archons, Aasimons and Eladrin, too.
>>96958821Because TSR were *fucking idiots* and never made them playable. For fuck's sake, they didn't even include dhampirs in *Ravenloft* - the first AD&D depiction of a dhampir was as a monster in the Transylvania Gazetteer for Gothic Earth. You know, Ravenloft's bullshit hard-mode historical Earth spin-off game that practically nobody liked?
>>96963000They didn't even include rules for customizing your aasimar's appearance and abilities in the Complete Planewalkers' Handbook like they did with tieflings - they hid it in Warriors of Heaven, a book that TSR didn't even release under the Planescape banner and which many AD&D fans probably never even knew existed.
>>96959007>ratfolk "water genasi" > half-werewolf BeastkinGod damn I hate modern fantasy
>>96966658Why would you need TSR to make them playable? Just ask the DM if he allows it. Are you autistic or something
>>96967106Ratfolk Undine are just water elemental altered ratfolk. I used Water Genasi to help 5e players understand what I'm talking about, and much prefer the simpler PF term of Undine.Beastkin are just people who have minor lycanthropy, whether through partially becoming a werecreature or because they are the half children of a lycanthrope and a normal person. All of them are just called Beastkin.Besides, that, modern fantasy is fun and has lots of neat options that allow for more than just the ten thousandth rehash of humans running around killing monsters and saving civilization.
>>96944890Because making angelic sparkledogs a core race would have been hilarious, and in a godless shithole like WotC, you have to find fun where you can.
>>96952544Both races should have appearance roll tables. D E S U
>>96952544Unicorn horn and paws instead of feet. Instant success.
Visually bland.
>>96944890I have only ever seen Fallen Aasimar because the only appealing play style for them is edgy "fall from grace" stories.
>>96970630>not playing a teetotalitarian LG blowhard
>>96970451Ah yes, the famous unicorn with fucking paws
So we seem to have the idea of why Wuzards tried to replace them. But why did Devas and Ardlings not last when Aasimar continue to?
>>96972141>But why did Devas and Ardlings not last when Aasimar continue to?A tiny bit of interest is better than open mockery. Devas would be a disaster in the modern social climate and Ardlings only existed as twitter-pornography bait.
>>96968053> modern fantasy is fun and has lots of neat optionsNoIt used to be human, elf, dwarf (or duck if you were really in deep) and all those were different and expected to act differently.Now it's human, human with horns, human with rat head, human with scales and a lizard head, human robot, blue human, transparent human, small human, big human, human with horse head etc etc and they are all just the same. Instead of actual options you can pick what head you have and that's it.
