>>96947576
I found some old cave tunnels under a part of the city. Then filled in the tunnels with layers & layers of conjured stone, & just teleport directly into the few different chambers that only I know about. Inside which ever chamber i chose for the night i step through a mirror i buried there. I do have a nice manor in town that i let people think is my resting place, but its mostly just where I keep my ghouls & back up ritual spaces. I also keep multiple stashes of vitae infused objects/blood pennies around so im never low on blood & get fucked over. If I absolutely have to, I can teleport to one of my chambers from almost anywhere in the city in one turn. And everything is warded & Banned out the wazoo with some guardians ready to jump intruders. One of them is filled with deadly gas, another one under water, one has invisible fire, etc. Each one is different & packed with explosives or some other fail safe too. I also have another bolt hole outside the city, but I dont go there. Its there specifically as a safe house for if I fuck up way too much. I also have ambitions for putting a haven on the moon. I dont know why by I think it would be cool

Black Furies owe me sex

>>96947775
What did you do to earn it?

>>96947775
You're weak, your childrens would be weak, and you would not survive sex with even just one of them.
I, on the contrary, could satisfy a whole pack and would sire many strong warriors.

>>96947775
And Pentex owes me a raise but we don't always get the things we're owed.

>>96947982
>a raise
That would be nice, but I wish the BSD owed us sex too.

>>96948114
You just have to be fine with the murder-rape orgies they have going on. Or say you'll help spread Fomori then you get your own BSD. They bite though, have to teach them to be romantic

>>96947775
Famous last words

>>96948114
All you have to do is show up at the nearest hive, anon

Can’t guarantee your survival, though

>>96948649
Don't take company ID with you. They'll think it's funny to string you along with promises of sex you want to make you have a lot of sex you specifically didn't want.

>>96948782
>Walking into a BSD Hive
>Sex you didn't want
Contradictory information

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Ever gone check for WoD art? I wish this franchise had grown larger, perhaps we'd have more cool fanart and content

>>96948919
There's been plenty of it, it's just that most of it never ended up on the internet. Welcome to 20th century fandoms.

>>96948874
He's primed for the knot.

>>96948919
There's very little 20th art I like at all. Some are competent sure, but I don't think they're good.

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>>96948973
I'm mostly talking fanart. Its such a cool setting, I also think Exalted art would look so cool using WoD style instead of the more anime-like style they gave it.

Has anyone made a kith using the C20 creation rules? Tell me about it.
From a lot of what I've seen, both fan and official creations, the kiths made are too small and reductive to be useful outside of an individual. They just pick a fable and make that. What's good about the original 9 kiths is that they're much more archetypical, pulling from multiple yet related myths to make something new. I don't even think the added kiths of Clurichauns, Selkies and Piskies work that well. However with only the original 9, kithain society feels too small to depict a wild and magical faerie society.

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Still waiting for AI to become good enough to play my Princess: the Hopeful x Beast game.

>>96949040
Out of the C20 additions I think Piskies have the most potential but I don't really like their characterisation as shapeshifting mailmen, I think ideally their niche would be the playful and mischievous woodland pixie that no other Kith really covers. As for custom Kiths I think my favourite is actually the example given in the book, the Domovoi, since it has a good niche as a wise man/mentor Kith and I feel like it would make a better core Kith than something like the Clurichaun that overlaps with Boggans and Satyrs too much, just change their birthright to not specifically need a family (i.e, a security guard who regains glamour from the building he supervises, a volunteer at a soup kitchen gathering glamour by helping the homeless)

>>96948968
Hes gonna get the happy handshake from Johnny Two-Dicks

>>96949268
>x Beast
Why?

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>>96949348
They just feel like natural enemies and both deal with somewhat the dreaming. Could also mix well with Changeling but the Lost feel way too different theme wise to mesh with them. Maybe if it was Dreaming

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>>96949268
you'll never get there if you don't practice with what's available now

>>96949364
What about deviant?

>>96949465
I don't understand that game yet, need to give it more time I guess

Is there a good community somewhere to join groups for WoD? I don't have anyone IRL that is into the setting (they are more into DnD/PF).

>>96949515
Just Psyop your friends into it. You'll be perma-ST though

>>96949524
But that's what I am in DnD...

>>96948114
BSD? That some kind of brothel? Didn't know Pentex had a stake in that kind of thing. Sometimes I feel like everyone is keeping me out of the loop.

>>96949536
Well then just say you want to run Mage or VtM and pitch it to them

In regards to the BSD, the book said they were violence for the sake of violence mindless savages. Is that really the case? With other "evil splats" there's some rationale to their actions like the sabbat fighting the antedeluvians or the technocrats being the good guys. Do the BSD have any greater goal or beliefs or are they really just maim kill burn maim kill burn?

>>96949606
Maybe get yourself a promotion

>>96949679
Well maiming, burning, and killing are pretty much steps in the victory dance as they think they won already. They believe and accepted that Gaia was dead or something and decided to just party it up and do nothing about it so when Garou act like they still have a shot at stopping the apocalypse they seethe hard

>>96949679
BSD are the actual good woofs. They realize that the world of DARKNESS is terminally fucked. The only way to save Gaia is to kill her so that she can reborn without all the shit that makes everything suck.

>>96949721
>They're the good woofs
>Assisted Suicide/Euthanasia
They wouldn't be doing all that raping and killing if they were

>>96949721
>Gaia
>reborn
Everyone point and laugh in a perfectly synchronized fashion

>>96949396
Take your feet off the table, princess.

>>96949755
Raping and killing is necessary when the Weaver has the world in such a stranglehold. The spider bitch is trying to kill death itself, the only tool we have left is the corruption to fester the very roots and pillars holding up the towers of glass. All that shit is gonna come crashing down, and the tinkling rain will sound so sweet.
>>96949767
There is much left for you to learn and understand. Just enter this cavern here and keep walking at an angle.

>>96949696
I'm trying, believe me. Doing my best while waiting for a position to open up, it's a desk job so it might take a while.

>>96949814
Have to woo the bosses, say you love polluting and hate the environment, maybe save the talk about the orgies for later when you're higher up on the chain

How does the Beast differ in each of the different clans? What does it feel like, what does it crave?

>>96949809
>Xe believes this
We clown on the Get for believing in all that strength nonsense but somehow you manage to make them look sane

>>96949829
I think the Beast just craves life energy overall. I'm not a big believer in the Beast having clan-aligned compulsions

>>96949809
>There is much left for you to learn
Negative, Mother programed me with all necessary knowledge to perform my mission.

>>96949829
vtr in general plays with the beasts and draugr (vtr term for wrights) being somewhat different based on clans but in vtm the beast is a part of the base vampire condition that predates the very existence of clans and is not influnced by them

>people clown on the garou so much that they circle around to cheering on the "you will eat the bugs you will consume the slop you own nothing and be happy" weaver and the "everything and everyone must die as painfully and unpleasantly as possible" wyrm just because the garou oppose them

I miss the bunny posting garou autist. Bunny girls (proper, not fake cosplayers) are the best. Their presence makes the world of darkness that much brighter.

How difficult would reading minds be for a sorcerer?

What would they require? Would they need to make some alchemical mixture to mimic Auspex 4 or is there a better option?

Alternatively, if they got a contact with true magick to make them a talisman that they could use instead, what would that wonder have to be like in terms of spheres and background dots?

>>96949268
>AI
Coward.

But I do agree that if Beasts have to exist, get-your-ass-kicked-by-a-Princess isn't a bad way to do it.

>>96949972
>bunny posting garou autist.
No such thing. That was all just a complex pr operation by big pooka.

>>96949927
Would you prefer anarcho primitivism or rape dens?

>>96950020
Apparently default humans can just read minds in WoD if they're built like that

>>96950036
>dude just settle for less or commission stuff for your private game
NTA but you're a retard.

>>96950092
>i'd rather condemn the world to unimaginable torture and then oblivion at the hands of a malevolent god or condemn all of humanity to exist as mindless cogs in an autistic god's machine than entertain the idea of living in a world without consumerism

>>96950157
>world without consumerism
>When really it's getting population controlled by angry dogs
>And like, no cars among other things
Some consumerism is good, actually. Ideally all three would be balanced but going a hardline that woofs have all the right answers and we should go to the rape pens and hunt for food without agriculture isn't nearly as pleasant as you might think

>>96949396
Oh hey, the pretty Ahroun.
Did she get her cutesy princess wrist broken at a gig?

>>96950157
There's no Wyld to be found here, brother. You waste your breath on these Weaver and Bane ridden fools

>>96950204
She is probably going to have to scuffle with a more experienced Ahroun next session to set an example about trespassing on our sept's turf before fighting a giant Bane that we know is infecting the people at a Halloween festival, so maybe :^)

>>96949721
>Actual good woofs
>They absolutely NEED to remove your organs while you're alive and jizz in the mock-canopic jars that they use to store what they take out
>It's an absolute requirement for the ultimate good of the universe that they cut pieces off of you and roast them on a fire before eating them in front of you, making sure to carefully keep you alive to the last bite.
>You don't even want to know what the packs that follow the Faceless Eater do to you. You can't even properly register it as a kind of cruel violation for how terrible it is.

>>96950157
While in reality you'd be a mindless animal driven by instinct and you'd die within 2 years of your birth since some new apex predator just appeared into existance.

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>>96948874
Your BSD futa with six tentacle cocks that end in lamprey mouths is this way, anon.

>>96949927
>Being programed to be happy doing one thing is le bad because...it just it!

>>96949679
The Black Spiral Dancers are Jungian shadow self conquering dudes who lost the plot. It's actually pretty fascinating we used to have writers who cared about shit & were educated in philosophy & theology

>>96950226
Very Book of Hungry Names coded story beat

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>>96950270
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>>96950244
You telling me the BSD don't participate in loving monogamous sex with handh*lding?

>>96950281
>no response
We accept your concession

>>96949814
Get your hands dirty. Kill your boss.

>>96950267
>Even a Werewolf is liable to carry emotional scars
Very 177013-pilled. If I had money would honestly commission some sick shit like that for WoD but I'd probably feel too bad to go through with it

>>96949972
I'm here. Busy trying to stat them up. I don't want to just post bunnies with no meat to back it up. Can anyone tell me how to make a proper shareable homebrew document? I'm not tech savvy & kind of retarded

>>96950278
Too bad most of those writers either retired, got psyoped, or cancelled

>>96950336
Pisses me off to no end

>>96949679
Their main line of thought is: "Gaia is already dead, we are maggots feasting on her corpse and gathering strength to free the Wyrm so he can destroy reality". I'd say the appeal of them as a "playable" (theoretically not supposed to be, but they are fully stated for making PCs in W20) villain splat is that there's a non-zero chance they are right and the world is already fucked beyond saving, so the correct thing to do is to cause chaos and destruction to open way for the next one.

>>96950278
Interesting, can you tell me more? I presume this is stuff from Chronicles of the Black Labyrinth, but I haven't read it yet

>>96950298
Geez man, this is an oil company, we're not the mob (despite what some hippies might tell you). I was thinking of something more diplomatic like launching a new PR campaign online or help in some land acquisition for new projects.

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>>96950280
You're not wrong. But my ST is a good dude that's trying his best with his first WoD game ever hence why we're playing W5 in the first place, and we're having fun (in spite of my grumblings about the edition).
Also this is literally the second 'mission' we've gotten period in the chronicle so some degree of genericness might be par for the course. There's some stuff I haven't bothered mentioning in recaps either; shit going on with vampires directing hunters against our caern, a missing elder, and rumblings that BSDs are on the horizon.

>>96950440
That sounds cool. At least you aren't a nogames. For all the things wrong with W5 at least I don't think playable mechanics are part of those

I need art of tzimisce

>>96950458
Try to look up body horror tags on art sites

>>96950174
>it's kind of fucked that people would rather cheer on the world destroyer and the dronification goddess than imagine a world where humanity isn't on top
>um wow i can't believe that you would take on such a hardline werewolves have all of the right answers stance you're such an anarcho primitivist rape pens rape pens rape pens what about my precious treats and luxuries and distractions how could humans ever live without cars and internet and goods from the other side of the planet that's why the weaver and the wyrm rule and garou drool
oof

>>96950469
Nah. Wyld winning would be like having Godzilla show up every other day. Simply in no one's interest

>>96950403
Well Jungian shadow self conquering is about embracing your inner darkness, you're own negative qualities/vices/etc so that you conquer your weakness & become stronger for it.

Like how garou are always saying "we are the most honorable warriors of Gaia, we are he only champions" & never properly addressing their rage, their murderous impulses, all their sins against man & Fera, etc. The brighter you shine a light on the Ego, the longer the shadow of the repressed Id becomes. So BSD dance the Spiral. They embrace every dark impulse & go "yeah, we're fucking monsters, what's so wrong about that? Maybe you'd understand if you would just admit that you're a monster too" the problem being that it's very easy to abandon the path of self improvement & just become a hedonistic nihilist. You gotta dance the spiral & then dance it back around.

>>96950469
nta, I'm fine with a human-led victory over the triat, even if that required the reversal of the industrial revolution. However, I would rather see all of creation destroyed or calcified than become a slave race to deranged spirit-human hybrids with a superiority complex.

Human-led Balance end > The Status Quo > Total Weaver Victory > Total Wyrm Victory > Total Werewolf Victory.

It's simple as that. If the Garou do not view regular humans as full people deserving of the same moral, ethical, and legal consideration as a Garou, then there can be no negotiation with them. No ifs ands or buts.

>>96950286
You wouldn't want to meet the ones that are. There are... extra details that go into it. Think Audition.

>>96950403
They still don't do that. Also, their stance changed between editions; I'd personally utilize that to show that they're lying out their teeth.

(Also, if Gaia was actually dead, things would probably be getting way more ripe way sooner. Especially since they've been alleging that since the days of Septimus Severus or Caracalla.)

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God, you fags are annoying.
It's the balance that is required. Not Wyld, not Wyrm and not Weaver.
Why is that hard to remember? We had Books of Wyrm, Weaver and Wyld and all three of them show how just one being supreme is bad.
>>96950510
>You gotta dance the spiral & then dance it back around.
Or just be a hero, like 1st Edition WTA intended you to be. You are a Werewolf. Not a wolf, not a human, both. Temper your human side with the wolf, your wolf side with the human. Fix the mistakes of the past.

>>96949927
Not me. I'm going to inherit the earth.

>>96950509
>um because you argue against the wyrm destroyed the world with the apocalypse and because you don't want the weaver to annihilate any trace of human individuality or free will that means that you're in favour of a wyld apocalypse instead
???

>>96950536
wdym audition? Do they engage in some weird fomori breeding program

>>96950536
>Implying the appeal of BSD handholding doesn't explicitly include them being evil

>>96950566
I simply don't agree with the Woofs
I agree with this anon>>96950529 though. Would rather not have the Weaver or Wyrm win if I could help it

>>96950537
>Why is that hard to remember?
It's not hard to remember, I just reject that assertion completely. The Weaver, Luficer, and the Technocracy are forming a "Humanity, Fuck Yeah!" power-block, while gaia wants us all to return to shitting in the woods and being enslaved by discord furries.
Weaver ascendant has the only good ending for humanity in the entire apocolypse book.

>>96950157
>>idea of living in a world without consumerism
Everything related to progress is a weaver gift. Without the weaver evolution would not be a thing, the world would be stuck in a permanent stone age but with more and more ridiculous creatures being created to keep the world chaotic.

>>96950603
>um because you don't think late stage consumerism is a good thing for the planet that means you're in favour of a world without any human civilisation whatsoever or even the concept of evolution

Rate my V5 chronicle's setup. It's for my gf and some friends. I guess I'm aiming for an action-comedy thing, ridiculous people in a dark setting that survive by dumb luck and the skin of their teeth.

>Gehenna "happened" in 2004, in that the Antediluvians are active, but they haven't upended society and aren't feasting on their childer...directly.
>The Gehenna War is the evolution of the Jyhad, with Methuselahs and Elders at war over who the Antediluvians will eat.
>The Beckoning is a compulsion on Elders to find ruins and battlegrounds all over the world and act like a supervillain, making you easy fodder for the antes or ambitious young'uns.
>The Second Inquisition is a Camarilla psyop, the Hunter problem is no worse than it was in the 90s. It's just how they explain the collapse of domains affected by Gehenna.

It's set in Philadelphia, which I'm characterizing as a former Sabbat stronghold that was rotted out by the Gehenna War and "given" to the Camarilla and Anarchs as part of the Lasombra's defection to other sects. The new Prince is a Priscus that wants to believe she can ignore the Gehenna War and invited the Anarchs, Sabbat remnants, and the Autarkis from the suburbs to try and coexist. It's a nostalgic fantasy of the 2e status quo, and her power is invested in upholding it. The remnants of the old Sabbat rule are going to begin to rise and shatter this fantasy.

The PCs:
>Brujah punk rocker with Ghoul band members and a Changeling groupie, she's staying in town to find her deadbeat Sire and kick his ass
>Salubri slavgirl that wants to support her family. Mixture of Nico Bellic and the Persona 4 MC, embraced for Jyhad reasons yet unknown
>Setite that realized her sire's cult was bogus. She's fled to a new city to found her own Set cult, with blackjack and hookers
>Toreador chuunibyo occultist, a "good Bahari" that preys on predators, "lauded" by the Prince as the kind of idiot the old Sabbat propped up

>>96950536
Whale carcasses twitch with thriving, complex ecosystems for years. How much longer to decompose a planet, and how would you know if you'd ever seen it alive?

>>96950267
what the fuck book is this from? I want to read it

>>96950622
Wyld can only create, it can't shape or develo things. Wouldn't expect a spirit of a literal space retard to understand

>>96950622
>late stage consumerism
So you're angry at the effect of the wyrm destroying society, but you're blaming the weaver and confused why anons think you hate society?

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>>96950599
You completely lost it all if you think that power block is actually a block.
Technocracy, sure.
Lucifer is a retard and, depending on what you believe, could be doubly retarded and just out for himself. He is just so human fuck yeah that he fucked over humanity from the beginning.
Weaver isn't human supremacy at all. We will just be another automoton under her, like all of creation if she wins.Weaver ascendant isn't "good" for humanity when it either kills everything, including Weaver herself, or "just" turns everything into dystopia with most people emotionless and just doing the same things day and night, until the end of time. W

>>96950440
Dumb questions: is her hair supposed to be naturally white/silver or is she dyeing it?
What are her eye colors?

>>96950529
Out of curiosity, how regularly do you post about Werewolf the Apocalypse in /wodg/? Do you like to post about it and is it one of your favourite splats to talk about here, or do you only talk about it when other people bring it up?

>>96950644
Just use the table from the Demon Guide and things should be fine.

>>96950632
freak legion: a players guide to fomori

>>96950660
She's naturally blonde and blue-eyed.

>>96950638
No, the Wyld also encompasses Change and Growth.

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>>96950675
What about Unleashing? What is a good way to prevent it from being too overpowered?
I also think something should happen to modify the Echoes system towards Banality. Otherwise the Fae will be free from most negative effects for throwing spells in public.

>>96950685
Player's Guide to the Possessed is also a thing.

>>96950658
>that he fucked over humanity from the beginning.
Not really, Caine fucked over humanity. Even with all the curses, the war of rage was an evenly matched chess game until Caine screwed everything up forever. Hell, the silver record even makes it out so that the imablance of the triat was even caines fucking fault.

>>96950685
>Freak legion
Sounds about right

>>96950691
>What is a good way to prevent it from being too overpowered?
Copy the Lost equivalent and be done with it. Sure it's a lot more simplistic but it achieves a similar effect.

>>96950697
Caine only fucked over the Kindred. He doesn't care about normies at all, leaves them alone, and only torments his ill-begotten spawn for being assholes

>>96950697
I get what they were going for but that shit sounds so bland.

>>96950658
>Weaver isn't human supremacy at all.
Anon, Read book of the Weaver. The weaver is split between science and the machine. Science is the pro-humanity weaver personality, the machine is the "Everyone must be a mindless cog" personality. Whichever one is dominant changes based on humanity's own actions.
Humanity and the weaver are symbiotic reflections of each other.
The weaver being hardcore evil and a problem for humanity is meme.

>>96950687
That's problematic, unless she's QoS . . .

>>96950711
>Caine only fucked over the Kindred.
No, he fucked over EVERYONE.
Caine's murder-tantrum, and subsequent fucking of the wyrm while he wondered nod, is why the fallen, werewolves, humanity, and wraiths are all screwed.
Only then after all that did he make his own race(vampires) to fuck over constantly.

>>96950739
>No, he fucked over EVERYONE.
He really didn't. He had no influence on events outside of Kindred society.
>Caine's murder-tantrum, and subsequent fucking of the wyrm while he wondered nod, is why the fallen, werewolves, humanity, and wraiths are all screwed.
Caine did literally nothing to the Wyrm, you stupid fucking secondary. They have zero interactions with each other. They are barely part of the same setting.

>>96950757
>He had no influence on events outside of Kindred society.
Have you ever read a book that wasn't VTM? The DTF corebook, WTA silver Record, etc. All make it clear how Caine fucked them Hard.

>>96950770
>Have you ever read a book that wasn't VTM? The DTF corebook, WTA silver Record, etc. All make it clear how Caine fucked them Hard.
You're just making shit up now.

What's with all of these HFYfags infesting this general lately, who are incapable of seeing any splat through any lens other than a human supremacist one?

>>96950670
This is actually my first post on the general in a few days. Apoc isn't really my favorite so I don't bring it up on my own very often, which is exacerbated by how often people get involved in skubwars.

I honestly only got involved in the argument because I found the previous Anon's statement absurd. Yeah, most people would rather imagine death or lobotomy than being a people living in perpetual slavery. There's honor in dying on one's feet, peace in the weaver accidentally euthanizing reality while trying to fix it. in fact I would rate the Wyrm Wins end as higher than the Weaver Wins end if I actually believed he would destroy creation, because then we could all die in a heroic last stand. But given how he coped himself into being the Triatic Wyrm, which wants to supplant the other members of the Triat, I don't think he'd actually destroy creation, he'd just turn it into a nightmare dimension. This all of course, supposes WtA is actually correct about the nature of things, which is a table to table decision.

But to be conquered by the Garou is the worst fate for humanity because there is no release in death or release from the burden of thought and emotion. It is to live as chattel slaves to a race of beings that act as the worst of humanity and the worst of the animal. You will live, feel pain, the shame of slavery, of being treated as little more than animals, and so shall your descendants. If a Werewolf is willing to extend the same moral consideration to a normal human as they would another Werewolf, that's a different story entirely. It's also not what we're dealing with, the Impergium is based around the notion humans are inferior, not worthy of the same considerations as the Garou, and are thus incapable of self-governance. It's the worst outcome for humanity because it denies us any honor or peace.

>>96950727
Yeah no we're not doing this anon. I appreciate your interest in the character I guess.
Her main band is black metal loaded with fascist imagery and I'm pretty sure one of the NPCs was designed by my ST trying to see if I go into character enough to call said NPC the nigga word

Since someone brought it up, deepthroating Lucifer is a good 80% of the reason I care for basically nothing in Demon: the Fallen.

Let the devil be the devil you fucking twits. Why does a game about Demons need you to play the misunderstood good guy demons? Fuck off, oWoD loves doing this rugpull "you're an evil monster- JUST KIDDING, YOU'RE A MISUNDERSTOOD INCOMPETENT GOOD GUY HURR DURR!"

>>96950809
Lucifer being a
>le liberator (nuanced)
Character is sort of tropey for alternative fiction, like with SMT. I'm sure there's actually a good amount that I'm forgetting as well but generally I agree. It's just much more overused now but when demon the fallen came out it wasn't actually a very prevalent trope

>>96950510
Ah, interesting. It actually makes them fairly interesting as playable characters imo. People seem to remember that not all of them are drooling psychotic retards who only kill and fuck

>>96950537
Pretty sure he's saying that in the context of what the BSD are meant to be but most of them fail to
>it's the balance that is required. Not Wyld, not Wyrm and not Weaver.
I actually agree with that, but the thing people (both in and out of universe) can't really agree on is how is that balance supposed to be achieved. I think that, while human civilization is not evil in of itself, its current form has accumulated way too many defects to be sustainable going forward, so a very hard reset is long overdue.

>>96950837
>I think that, while human civilization is not evil in of itself, its current form has accumulated way too many defects to be sustainable going forward, so a very hard reset is long overdue.
Garou detected, someone contact Pentex

>>96950775
For the love of christ DO YOU KNOW HOW TO READ???


...Wait you're trolling me aren't you. I ate the fucking bait.
baka

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>>96950697
Nah, Lucifer is the reason.
Also, he could have prevented Caine from killing Abel, but didn't. Explicitly.

>>96950837
Few of the ones you'll interact with are but all the jobber/throwaway BSD are just there to kill and do bad things. The NPCs one typically are just nihilists trying to convince you to be nihilists. Usually rape doesn't actually get that done

>>96950856
>Average Hunter crying to Pentex when they see something they can't just shoot to death

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>>96947576
What are the plans for the WoD after V5? Are they restarting after CofD or releasing some new games?

>>96950913
Chronicles is probably staying dead. We're in the "pump out something that we know isn't going to make any money to own the naysayers" phase of WoD 5 that you see so often with modern media before they claim that the last product was always intended to be last.

>>96950913
Probably Mage 5 or they can the IP until 35th edition or whatever thing they want. They know 5th isn't the most well regarded and paradox saw Bloodlines 2 flop. Up to the new White Wolf they keep reshuffling

>>96950860
Nothing in the DtF core book or WTA Silver Record talk about Caine, you stupid fucking lying faggot. You made me Ctrl+F to refresh my memory and now I can with full confidence call you a lying piece of shit nigger.

>>96950905
>Yeah, get fucked human, can't even suck off spirits
>AIEEEEEEE p-please don't band together to fuck me up, I-I'll be a good boy!
The woof cries out in pain as he strikes you

>>96950770
>silver Record
Hey, that's on Weaver. Bloody Man was a victim.

>>96950537
Jesus it's like you're actively trying to be retarded.

>>96950837
I would love if there was a BSD book that explored a small sliver of a faction within them that was trying to hang on. Noble BSDs who are reaching for the light. Much like how VtM has the True Black Hand mixed in with the Sabbat.

>>96950787
I asked because your post interpreted the conflict of Werewolf the Apocalypse from an entirely anthropocentric perspective, focusing exclusively on humanity's wellbeing when considering what the best outcome would be.

This is so divorced from the philosophy and focus of Werewolf the Apocalypse as a game, that I was wondering why you are interested in Werewolf the Apocalypse at all, as someone with such an anthropocentric point of view. But if you're not really that fond of Werewolf the Apocalypse and don't talk about it that much, then it's more understandable.

>>96950856
>Pentex
You're thinking small-time, you gotta go to the big boys AKA The Technocracy. More assets, more power and an actual plan for the future that doesn't involve making deals with a literal devil.

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>>96950935
>>96950936
Makes me sad, I remember just how famous the WoD used to be, right when movies like Underworld were airing. I think properly managed, it would have been a juggernaut like Marvel.

>>96950913
right now acording to jason carl the plan is to port the rest of the gamelines into wod5 including dark age

but that statement predates the release of bloodlines 2 which went less than stellar

>>96950966
I think there's some fun stuff in WtA, but it's not a game I'd really go out of my way to play and I can't say I agree with its philosophy, yeah.

>>96950948
I'm sure said woof would be down to bone if you ask nicely instead good hunter

>>96950985
>right now acording to jason carl the plan is to port the rest of the gamelines into wod5 including dark age

At the rate they've been putting out splats, that would take 10 years at the bare minimum, probably more like 15. What the hell is this dumbass saying? Even before BL2 that shit makes no sense.

>>96950985
>plan is to port the rest of the gamelines into wod5 including dark age
more lore raping? Just what we all needed

>>96950949
>Bloody Man was a victim.
We have Caine apologists now...

>>96950913
Chronicles is dead save for the STV stuff from the people who wrote the canon books. WoD5 doesn't have anything all that interesting to cover or develop because they can't use recent events without being sued or threatened into oblivion.

>>96950988
No, you can't have sex with me, monster.

>>96950958
>Reaching for the light
BSD are explicitly they way they are because they cracked in the Spiral and lost all hope
>>96950976
It was never managed properly, lived and died off of the pure writing potential in VtM. Sad truth but it's what it is. Hopefully we get actual people willing to be write something good before they try to push a point or perspective but beggars can't be choosers. No modern ttrpg is well written or good, the spark is mostly gone. Everything touched by modern hands has been almost irreparably made worse.
Consider
>Planescape
Previously one of DnD's best settings and now shoved into Faerun, gay, and a flanderized version of itself.
>PF 2nd Ed
Somehow even gayer and more cucked than the first, almost bootleg 5E
The only thing staying chudpilled so far is Warhammer and not for lack of trying by GW

>>96950994
also they would have to support all those gamelines and given that they barely manage to make content for the 3 lines they have i don't see how adding 3 more (he mentioned ctd, mage and dark age by name) would not completely kill the meager production pipeline they have right now

and i don't believe for a second that daddy paradox is gonna increase their budget by a dime after bloodlines just lost around 50 million dollar

>>96951013
Consider being more productive instead and hunting some vampires or destroying a local car factory then

>>96950913
Sex with Adana de Sforza

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>>96951008
A shame, I wonder what the modern world would look like in WoD. I think we're long past the punk-goth setting and mood of the old WoD and more in an adhd/cyberpunk era or something else.

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>>96950623
>V5

>>96951047
>Tfw we got no HtV videogames
Rest in peace sweet prince

>>96950623
>>96951052
ok fair enough
Rate my V20 chronicle's setup. It's for my gf and some friends. I guess I'm aiming for an action-comedy thing, ridiculous people in a dark setting that survive by dumb luck and the skin of their teeth.

>Gehenna "happened" in 2004, in that the Antediluvians are active, but they haven't upended society and aren't feasting on their childer...directly.
>The Gehenna War is the evolution of the Jyhad, with Methuselahs and Elders at war over who the Antediluvians will eat.
>The Beckoning is a compulsion on Elders to find ruins and battlegrounds all over the world and act like a supervillain, making you easy fodder for the antes or ambitious young'uns.
>The Second Inquisition is a Camarilla psyop, the Hunter problem is no worse than it was in the 90s. It's just how they explain the collapse of domains affected by Gehenna.

It's set in Philadelphia, which I'm characterizing as a former Sabbat stronghold that was rotted out by the Gehenna War and "given" to the Camarilla and Anarchs as part of the Lasombra's defection to other sects. The new Prince is a Priscus that wants to believe she can ignore the Gehenna War and invited the Anarchs, Sabbat remnants, and the Autarkis from the suburbs to try and coexist. It's a nostalgic fantasy of the 2e status quo, and her power is invested in upholding it. The remnants of the old Sabbat rule are going to begin to rise and shatter this fantasy.

The PCs:
>Brujah punk rocker with Ghoul band members and a Changeling groupie, she's staying in town to find her deadbeat Sire and kick his ass
>Salubri slavgirl that wants to support her family. Mixture of Nico Bellic and the Persona 4 MC, embraced for Jyhad reasons yet unknown
>Setite that realized her sire's cult was bogus. She's fled to a new city to found her own Set cult, with blackjack and hookers
>Toreador chuunibyo occultist, a "good Bahari" that preys on predators, "lauded" by the Prince as the kind of idiot the old Sabbat propped up

>>96951000
For that werewolf version of him, sure. Weaver must have already been sick to snatch a caveman up and savestate him at the instant of his death.

>>96951034
Tricking people to go after your enemies for you requires subtlety, something you're not good at.

>>96951059
>Salubri PC
This is kind of risky for an action-comedy thing, seeing as how they're kinda supposed to be good and your players are more than likely going to be borderline funny psychos

A Technocrat stuns you with a taser and sticks a tube to your bellybutton, which somehow sucks out one (1) of your two kidneys, leaving no scar behind. He runs away into the shadows.

How do you respond?

>>96950986
It's just that the Vampire the Masquerade equivalent of that would be like going:
>Obviously, the best ending for VtM would be if hunters wiped out every last vampire and purged the world of every variety of blood-sucking parasite. This includes exterminating Caine and the Antediluvians without any external "assistance" from any of the sects. Any outcome other than that in which vampires continue to exist and exert their influence on humanity is a net negative for mankind, so those are objectively worse endings.
It's not wrong, but it's also not really the vibe of what VtM is going for.

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>>96951105
Iron skin the sucker and avoid the theft in the first place, then go Bruce Lee on the sucker. Seriously, Akashic Brotherhood is probably the best Tradition

>>96951105
Well, guess the consensus says we only need to have one kidney

>>96951105
I shrug and walk away.

>>96951118
Kidney theft is 100% believable, even if wizards

>>96951090
maybe could work if they're the straight man/tard wrangler

>>96951105
Am I a member of a supernatural splat or just a normal human?

>>96951130
Use your brain

>>96951105
I try to figure out what just happened before remembering I took a loan. That weird financier mentioned interest in any form he desires.

>>96951069
There are no such things as these reality deviants called Werewolves

>>96951105
I change my perception to him taking his own kidney, thereby saving my kidney

>>96951128
Could be yeah. Could be funny, would be difficult to fight off the hungy impulses when the Salubri uses disciplines though

>>96951047
Cyberpunk is just normal life at this point without the cool implants.

>>96950628
That's because there's something around the whale carcass. In this scenario, you have destroyed all of that, too.

>>96950571
Audition, the film by Takashi Miike that inspired imitators like Hostel.

>>96951105
What if I don't have a belly button

>>96951144
There are no such things as these reality deviants called Werewolves
But the soientisits at Developmental Neogenetics Amalgamated discovered the genetic lycanthropic syndrome (GLS)

>>96951106
Sounds based to me

>>96951105
well my last mage character replaced one of his kidneys with a ether generator so either i am gonna die because i have no kidney anymore or the techy is gonna blow up because the "kidney" he stole is meant to power a mecha

>>96950685
There's also stuff in WtA20 Book of the Wyrm I think

>>96950727
What is QoS?

Your favourite organization (Allies / antagonists)? All splats welcome.

>>96950988
>would be down to bone
Of course but the 20 pound bag stays on during sex. Don't look inside and ignore the occasional beep

vampires and werewolves sitting in a tree, k i s s i n g

>>96951184
And that's why you don't really belong playing WoD, or here...

>>96951262
>werewolf and vampire
>not werewolf and technocrat

NGMI

>>96951262
forbidden gangrel x garou romance

>>96951021
Please take an ounce of focus to read.
Sabbat are inner monster embracing retards who are evil
BSD are inner monster embracing retards who are evil
Sabbat at least have the True Black Hand
BSDs have nothing. I would like for them to have something akin to the True Black Hand, a group of the BSDs who didn't fall down while dancing the Spiral, maybe invoke some Stocism & other philosophy, & have them be more than retards fucking & killing & instead doing something IMPORTANT & interesting. Like trying to heal the wyrm from inside or some shit.

>>96951106
You're right, that would be a lot better suited for Hunter

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>>96951235
>Princess: the Hopeful
I have this concept for a Seeker of Diamonds that seems fun. On the opposite side, a Champion of Swords must be really fun due to how impulsive they are.
>Changeling: the Dreaming
Sluagh and Seelie Sidhe
>Dark Ages: Fae
The Autumn Court and their cool Faustian bargains and motifs compared to the Lost version that look like DA winter kin.
>Promethean: the Created
Refinement of Flux, Centimani and embracing the Promethean abilities is much cooler than aiming to become a boring human.
>Mage: the Acension
Akashic Brotherhood if we talk about Traditions. Quite balanced mages with strong attributes and a reasonable philosophy. Maybe Sons of Ether too.
Iteration X if we talk Technocracy since they and the VE have the most fun.
>Exalted
Fair Folk all day any day, the idea of attacking creation and story crafting is so fun. Besides they aren't overpowered.
>Vampire: the Requiem
Daeva
>Demon: the Fallen
I've long wanted to play a Malefactor demon running bargains

>>96951290
Well that's an interesting idea but BSDs are functionally different from the Sabbat. The only similarity is that they're an enemy faction if the same splat, they aren't a Werewolf political group they're basically just insane. The Sabbat actually engage with the Camarilla as a political group, the BSDs don't bother respecting the Garou or their rules they just run around fucking shit up because they don't care.

>>96951252
>20 lb bag
With that much you're just suiciding
>>96951281
How would that even work? That'd take an insane amount of denial from the technocrat

>>96950864
Do we believe that Lucifer was always acting under God's orders with all of that shit or is he lying to us and himself when he says his rebellion was always part of God's plan and her orders?

>>96951343
NWO greysuit doing some infiltration

>>96951354
Wouldn't they get sniffed out by the Garou quickly enough? Not much of an infiltration

>>96951231
Queen of Spades. It's degenerate coomer race grifter shit.

Why do retards see Werewolf good ending as humanity enslaved? Or humanity without tech?

Sure if Wyld rules instead of Wyvr we would be in a Primal world of huge beasts & limited tech, but if we have a balanced world we could have something like flying tech cities & moon colonies over a pristine natural world. Humanity speaking with spirits while designing new technologies like the cyberware/weavertech that exists in the book. The wyrm not leading to pollution or corruption, but merely providing a natural entropy & healthy death. Gaia exists as the expression of the world under the influences of the Triat. Gaia doesn't "die" she just changes to reflect what is in accendance. The Garou are too wyld & they think Gaia is Wyld aligned because they're up their own ass about it, but that's the Garou's interpretation, not the truth. Humanity didn't have a level playing field during the Impergium, but they do now. Most everything could be brought into balance if cool heads & noble hearts prevail

>>96951359
Not if they send in an Extraordinary Citizen

>>96951365
>Cool heads
Nice meme

>>96951365
>Most everything could be brought into balance if cool heads & noble hearts prevail
And that will never happen so we're left with different flavour of apocalypse to chose from.

>>96951361
Jesus Christ. Sorry I asked. What is wrong with people? I like your Werewolf rocker, I hope she raises the spirit of Gaia with her songs

>>96951343
>With that much you're just suiciding
Anything to complete the mission

>>96951361
>You will now remember might and magic bdsm elves with the Queen of Spades tattoos and their orc/minotaur gimps
Funny visuals

>>96951343
He was a Glass Walker boy
She was an Iteration X girl...

>>96951106
Slight difference. I never said "wipe out every last Garou", I simply said that death or the destruction of reality as we know it is preferable to eternity as a conquered slave race. I even said IF an individual werewolf is willing to treat normal humans as an equal, that it's an entirely different ballgame. Vampires have an extra hurdle with the whole needing to drink blood thing (Ventrue can't even suck down foul-tasting animal blood even if they wanted to), but I'd apply the same rule to them. Many of the Supernaturals in oWoD define themselves as something other than human when that's not really true. If, hypothetically, there were vampires who would be willing to work alongside "normal" humans as equals, and not act as if they are a natural ruling class by dint of their supernatural powers, then I see no reason why they should be killed. Same goes for Werewolves or anyone else.

I stated "Human-led victory over the triat" for a reason. There's a philosophically important difference between "kill them all" and "do not let them rule over the baseline humans as a blood-defined ruling caste". Even if in practical terms, a Free Humanity would require like 99% of the monsters to bite it, that philosophical distinction matters because it prevents purity spirals.

>>96951351
NTA but I prefer the ~real~ world explanation that he is jealous of Adam/Humanity since God favors us & he does everything he does to try to tear us down & "prove" we are unworthy.

>>96951459
For me that one doesn't really work since God's gone and Heaven is empty except for two Angels, it's inconsistent with his actions, and WoD humanity needs absolutely no help in that regard.

>>96949465
I loved the pitch of deveint but by dear god the game that came out was a burned yet underbaked mess

>>96951365
The Apocalypse scenarios with the most well-defined endings are Weaver Ascendant and Ragnarok.
In Weaver Ascendant, the "good ending" involves the entire world being effectively rebooted and all civilisation being annihilated.
In Ragnarok, the two "good endings" are either Wyld or Weaver, and the Wyld ending features the end of human civilisation and the death of most humans after a mass extinction event.
The Last Battleground and A Tribe Falls are more focused on the scenario than the outcome, so they don't describe the fate of humanity.
But in Weaver Ascendant and Ragnarok, the Garou don't choose to subject humanity to that fate. It's just a consequence of the Apocalypse.

But above all else, people love to dunk on the Garou, to the point where they forget to acknowledge that making a better Nation and abandoning the bad old ways in favour of a brighter future is a fundamental part of playing the game. All of the focus is on the regressive retards, without any consideration for any of the liberal elements of the Garou, just because it's more fun to laugh at the retards.
Forget the fact that the vast majority of the Garou consider the Impergium a bad thing and that they've been living according to the Concord for nine thousand years, out of regret and shame. The Garou did an Impergium once upon a time in ancient prehistory, therefore if they ever win, they'll just do the Impergium all over again, because they're all retards. That's the logic behind it.

>>96951436
>equals
No way. The immortals would call right of original appropriation over everything.

>>96951433
>Glass Walker getting off the computer to interact
She'd kill herself before they even get to flirting

>>96951550
Implying she didn't met him through the Virtual Web

>>96951528
Not every nation has laws like that, and if we want to get into practical specifics, this unlikely "good end" would come only after what would be an apocalyptic event and war at best. So you would be dealing with a handful of "good ones", right after a clean slate. It's a natural, unforced way to "year zero" things. Anyone who tries to claim credit for shit that happened during the reign of Sennacherib goes into the woodchipper because they aren't getting with the program.

>>96951424
grim

>>96950777
They infest the whole board. They lack any real morality and try to justify it by taking a HFY stance in fantasy. You know irl they don't give a shit about large swathes of humanity.

>>96951339
Right & the True Black Hand doesn't really have much at all to do with the Sabbat either. WtA is a game that favors combat so it's fine to have BSDs be combat monsters, VtM is more political so it's fine that the Sabbat are more political.

I just want a secret/unknown faction of "redeemed" BSD that are fighting for Gaia leaving honor & renown behind, embracing the Wyld the Wyvr & the Wyrm no matter how fucked up, just mantling the sins of the Garou on their shoulders, abandoning the Litany for practicality, etc. One part operators, one part left hand shamans, one part stoic penitents dying for a world they won't inherit.

>>96951433
Wasn't Iteration X really big on the whole pogrom thing?

Cool and unusual Elysium ideas?

>>96951696
You could do their precursor tribe probably. I'm sure you could do it yourself in a homebrew but I wouldn't ever expect anything official sadly. it is an interesting idea though

>>96951706
It's called "forbidden romance", anon

>>96951729
Calling the NWO right noe

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>>96951527
anti-Garou posters will have no rebuttal to this

>>96951728
That's predominantly White Howlers, which are cool in their own right

My group ran Requiem for the first time.
It was fun.

>>96951771
Nice.

>>96951771
Nice.

>>96951771
god I wish that were me

>>96951771
VR will always have a special place in my heart but VtR 2e really is the better splat to get younger players into Storytelling these days.. If I didn't have my tabletop boys I'd be envious of you right now.

>>96951736
>>96951729
>Forbidden Romance
>As if they've ever move on from just talking
No need to call the NWO on this one, it's a nothingburger chatlog

>>96951527
First, your average anti-WTA poster doesn't like WTA precisely because they disagree with its themes. Of course they'll complain about a lack of anthropocentrism

Because those liberal elements are a minority that nevertheless follows the regressive retards into battle out of necessity, because even if it doesn't fix anything, the violence is often necessary to prevent immediate annihilation.

Now me personally? I take everything the Garou say about their history with a massive heap of salt. I don't believe that the Impergium was an actually codified enforced thing, more an informal system of "fuck the normies". I don't believe that they abandoned it out of guilt and shame, I believe it became impossible to enforce as human populations swelled, and the Concord was a coping mechanism codified much later than 9000 years ago. I don't buy that the same idiots who struggled to properly organize in the Middle Ages (Get of Fenris doing blue on blue Cairn raids to "keep everyone strong") could've organized a pizza party in the Paleolithic.

Sure, the official Garou record makes the Garou seem much more understandable and sympathetic. This is true of pretty much every faction. Your mistake is assuming that these anti-Garou posters are all just repeating tired memes for (you)s, but really this is no different than "The Sabbat are retards. They have never merc'd an Antediluvian and spend all their time fighting the Camarilla for territory." Is it a simplified and uncharitable take? Yeah. Is it entirely wrong? No.

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>>96945698
https://www.scribd.com/document/211083667/Wraith-the-Oblivion-2nd-Edition-WW6600
https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Wraith:_The_Oblivion_Second_Edition

Let us resume your miserable time in the Underworld and the events that led you there.

>>96951837
Anon, you know the Virtual Web in WoD is a realm in the Umbra the garou and mages can physically travel through, right?

>>96951436
>"Human-led victory over the triat"
Out of curiosity, would it be possible for the technocracy to make it happen? I know they're leaning towards the weaver but I don't think they agree with her crazy vision of everything being literally static.

>>96951837
Wrong, not reporting (and / or terminating) reality deviants is suspicious and had to be investigated. We're dealing with a possible defector or spy here.

>>96951724
Turkish Bathhouse
Cosi After Dark
I've always wanted to play a character that ran a "Hotel Elysium"

>>96951865
No such thing, even if it were. Couldn't picture a Glass Walker talking to one of them M*ges
>>96951877
If they were really suspicious there would be signs

>>96951881
A Disco Elysium perhaps?

>>96951881
>Turkish Bathhouse
9 out of 10 nosferatu recommend this place.

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>>96951858
Surprisingly I find Geist to be a much better alternative to Wraith

>>96951527
"People" seems to involve the people writing the game, if W5 is anything to go by - I haven't read it, but I've seen anons mention that Albrecht failed, the white saviour Heals-The-Past failed, every Garou failed, the Nation collapsed, the Get went evil, and all that's left for Garou to do is to work at 7-11 slinging slurpees.

>>96951881
>I've always wanted to play a character that ran a "Hotel Elysium"
This place would be extremely cool: https://slh.com/hotels/galleria-vik-milano

>>96951875
I don't know enough about Mage to say that accurately, but I get the impression that, if we assume Werewolf is more accurate about umbrashittery, the Technos are a good 50/50 split between the Scientist face of the Weaver and the Machine face of the Weaver. So they'd probably have a civil war over what to do if they even realized what was happening.

>>96951925
A lot of anons do seem to say Geist is at least something you can run without an insane a lot of pre-planning and approval from players

>>96951875
Theoretically yes, but the Weaver’s influence is very strong on the Technocracy, so it would be mostly done by the more idealistic elements of the organization fighting their own. If anything, I think the Traditions are in a better position (in terms of mindset and overall direction) to restore balance to the Triat, since they are explicitly meant to be the faction that balances all 3 elements of it
>inb4 “but the Traditions want to see peasants be roasted by dragons”
The 9 Mystic Traditions don’t want to reverse humanity into a state of pure defenseless before other supernaturals, they want every human (yes, including you) to have the same reality dicking powers they have. And besides, even not counting the Sons of Ether and the Virtual Adepts, almost all traditions in the council have a faction within them that deals with technomagic, so you don’t have to worry about losing your internet access

>>96951929
Damn that place is pretty.
>>96951915
Never played it

I just want a vampire version of the John Wick Hotel Continental, where it's run by someone with the ability to have special abilities & wards through the Hotel in a bunch of ways, ghouls & other servants, etc. So maybe a tzimisce or tremere. Maybe a cool ghoul dude to work the front desk. I'd like the hotel to feel like an extention of the character & stronger than the walls of Ceoris.

For VtM20, where's the line for the difference between a Contact and Retainer? Is a ghoul with a useful but minor position (cop, drug dealer, etc.) still just a one dot Retainer? I think examples of one dot Contacts may be more useful here, since that'd let me know what is expected of that. Or is a big part of Contact the fact that you can roll for minor contacts rather than having specified your Retainers?

>>96952063
Contacts give you information
Retainers do errands

>>96952070
What about people who supply things? Would obtaining a brick of cocaine or a submachine gun fall under a black-market Contact (provided you have sufficient Resources) or a Retainer?

>>96952077
Guy who sets up a deal between you & some supplier? Contact
Guy who goes out & buys some stuff for you? Retainer

Pitch sabbat pack characters

>>96952096
Pander Greaser from the 50s
Tzimisce martial artist who is focused on exploring fighting styles based on Inhuman physiology
Brujah Priest
Brazilian Setitie Drug Lord that wears a distinctive snakeskin jacket
Aybss Mystic building an oubliette in a mine with a bunch of ghouled minors
Lasombra noble wastrel
Salubri chirstian knight from the Dark Ages obsessed with the theology of Holy Trinity & the lore of Caine
City Gangrel with an army of raccoons

>>96952156
>City Gangrel with an army of raccoons
With what Animalism?

>>96952096
Toreador antitribu chronic weeb, he's eternally assblasted he isn't a Kuei-Jin and obsesses over unlocking their secrets.

>>96952184
Ah shit I forgot. Maybe a normal gangrel then, or he could just ghoul them

>>96952096
Malkavian priest trying to spread the word of the flying spaghetti monster he's a Christian but his clan curse causes him to swap the words

>>96949515
Discord has a few.

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<Meanwhile, in another universe...>

Where can I find a group for Vampire: the Lost? It seems that everyone is too busy playing Demon: the Created.

>>96952156
Little League team pulled off their bus and mass embraced as Blood Brothers

>>96952156
>Tzimisce martial artist who is focused on exploring fighting styles based on Inhuman physiology
this is really cool, and reminds me of a thought i had:
if some otherworldly alien saw footage of humans and decided to construct a humanoid body shape based off of just a few seconds of footage of a moving body, what would it be like? it would seem normal *at first* but quickly it would probably start to twist and contort into unusual shape as the physiology would.. literally be alien.
and we're limited by what we can imagine a humanoid body can do, because we know what it looks like and what it should behave like, it's as fundumental as 2+2=4, but what if it isn't?
a humanoid body reshaped by a mind from an alien perspective could be a really cool concept

>>96952290
What would Vampire the lost entail? Is this related to Werewolf: the Vigil?

>>96950913
>releasing some new games
Aren't they developing Curseborn currently?

>>96951925
Would you prefer me to run that instead? I still don't quite understand all the mechanics, especially regarding the Keys.

>>96952324
>Werewolf: the Vigil
That's basically just Werewolf: the Forsaken with a more accurate name.

>>96952293
You linked me not >>96952096

>>96952321
It'd move like QWOP, it's hands would maybe grasp closer to the way tentacles work, economy of motion would be the driving force to be honest. Like the guys who make robots with learning algorithms for movement & they don't program them any real preset movement so they end up doing flips or inching like a worm & stuff. I imagine our spine would throw off anyone giving us a ten second glance

>>96952395
I suppose so yeah. That makes sense. WtF is kind of a misnomer

>>96952324
Vampire the Lost is about your lost humanity, sort of how Mummy the Awakening is about being a mummy waking up

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>>96952409
This actually makes sense.

>>96952400
something that could pass for a humanoid at more than just "a glance" but at the same time is trained to beat every single type of human martial art would be very neat
especially way cooler if it doesn't use any inherent vampire magic, just really clever bioengineering and bio-design. these tzimisce troopers could be a really cool concept, i wonder if someone thought of something similar already?

Sorry to ask but in the Mummy folder, which book listed is the most up to date? The 2nd Edition, Resurrection, or Revised?

>>96952409
Mage the Requiem is about how mages gain power thought their Requiem?

>>96952443
Revised is 3rd edition, resurrection is the base edition. Mummy is rather weird though, basically two different games between being a native mummy and some dude that gained a portion of a mummy's soul

>>96952439
Pheumatic arm spikes where they do a palm strike & a bone spur shoots out to stab the heart (possibly drain blood like a proboscis?) Vampire saliva glands on they're hands so it numbs the opponent. Extended limbs. A thousand joints in the arms & legs so they can hold themselves up like a human but they can also whip any part & can't be joint locked. A second pair of arms folded into the abdomen so they can punch during a Grapple. Legs that can split down the middle so you get four legs to gain more stability/attacks.

>>96952455
I don't know about that one, I have played some Changeling the Forsaken

>>96952460
The folder lists them as

1st Edition
2nd Edition
Resurrection

Then it has
2nd Edition Errata
Resurrection Players Guide
Character Sheet

>>96951858
Cold and waxen, got it
This character was NOT lucky

>>96952455
I think it should be

Promethean the Primordial (primordial power)
Changeling the Forsaken (forsaken by the human world & trying to escape the fae)
Vampire the Curse (curse of vampirism)
Werewolf the Lost (lost your purpose & lost Father Wolf, lost your guidance you once had)
Geist the Requiem (a song for the dead)
Beast The Sin Eaters (abusing/eating bad people/sinners)
Mage the Vigil (of the Watchtowers)
Mummy the Awakening (waking up from long sleep)
Demon the Created (made by GM)

>>96952532
Oh & Hunter the Descent (into the world of darkness/Descent into madness

>>96952532
How do these compare to Wraith: the Apocalypse?

>>96952474
>Extended limbs. A thousand joints in the arms & legs so they can hold themselves up like a human but they can also whip any part & can't be joint locked.
yeah, probably more of this and less of like... outwardly visible arm spikes or bone spurs.
the idea would be to pass to a human as closely as possible, while packing a ton of efficient techniques, capable of anything, even perhaps going so far as acting as potence or celerity without the use of an actual vampiric discipline.
they could function well as hidden agents, seemingly normal even when observed shirtless. only a physician, doctor, or bodybuilder could sense there's something bizarre about their muscle groups, and a surgeon who put one under a blade would be horrified to discover what's really inside. (i would imagine a tzimisce would also engineer them to explode if they're damaged enough so their bioengineering secrets wouldn't leak)

>>96952569
>Wraith but Nana decided to get active from the start
Not very different from regular Wraith. It's like some sort of Ghostpocalypse

>>96952569
Nah. oWoD's titles tie into the actual setting parts

>>96952588
Have you ever watched Basilisk? You could borrow some ideas from KungFu movies & ninja animes about body control powers. If you're going strictly human looking though you could always do stuff like putting in a sundermal bullet proof liner under their skin, add flexible cartilage/bone plates across the abdominal & neck

Does anyone care about deviant? I am trying to make a good origin story for an Exomorph mutant, but the story I came up with was basically just a Tokyo Ghoul ripoff.
What are good media for Deviant?

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>>96952636
that wouldn't be a bad idea. also maybe borrow stuff from cyberpunk settings and just picture them made out of flesh instead. i'm sure a tzimisce wouldn't just stop at one type of trooper

>>96951343
Maybe the Technocrat was an unlucky Syndicate operative who drew the short straw and had to check out the SPD on-site, and got incidentally saved by a werewolf who was doing monkeywrenching at the same time?

>>96952675
>What are good media for Deviant?
Tokyo Ghoul, Guyver, Kamen Rider and the like.

>>96952692
That would be rather cute. Girl failure archetype like Kobeni I assume

>>96952675
tetsuo, baoh, genocyber, elektra assassin

>>96951034
>local car factory
You're not going after shoes anymore?

>>96952675
Chainsaw Man, Prototype, Venom: Lethal Protector

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>>96951343
>How would that even work? That'd take an insane amount of denial from the technocrat
We canonically have a Syndicate who gives missions to reality deviants and has a past of falling in love with one.
And Progenitors might work with Glass Walkers.

Can you actually knock a vampire unconscious? Bloodlines has you get knocked the fuck out with a bat in a cutscene, but it doesn't make much sense to me why a clinically dead corpse animated by vitae could get knocked out. Did they just do that for convenience, or is there something in the lore stating that vampires can get KO?

>OC Clan
>Caitiff with a socially lenient ST
Which is more annoying?

>>96952985
Ran out of shoes

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>>96953152
>>OC Clan
yes

>>96953142
I would figure it's ST or plot convenience. Cause it'd be what? All superficial damage to equate to getting knocked out?

>>96953093
Mom works in mysterious ways and so do the eggheads in R&D

>>96953183
Something about getting to the incapacitated level in a single round would be enough to handwave a knockout. But yeah rule 0.

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So, either as a ST or the player, how would you manage a changeling getting romantically involved with their fetch?

> pic sort-of related

>>96950440
>his first WoD game

Is he too forgiving with Rage rolls then?

>>96953304
Probably
>>96953295
Has to be different enough to not trigger a doppelganger-esque curse in the fetch from activating. Outside of distinctive physical differences, jobs that don't line up with their own thoughts would help subtly but firmly cement the difference in the fetch. Everyone knows it's an ego trip, in some part, for the changeling but it could help them in a small way as well

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>>96953295
I would probably handle it as a way for the changeling to get their old life back in a scenario where they can't just snap their fetch and be done with it or the Spring court has gotten into some weirder shot than usual.

As for the plot beats, just read one of those stories where a person loses as their individuality when they enter a relationship and write those down. You are no longer a person but part of a couple.

>>96953332
>Probably

No wonder pretty princess can be all Taylor Momsen about it without worrying about tearing the audio guy's face off because the volumes are slightly off.

>>96953405
You're just as bad with overestimating rage. People get desensitized and doing a hobby standard to induce things other than anger

>>96953427
>>96953405
To be fair calling for a rage roll every scene is a shit idea even if it makes logical sense.

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>>96951927
The main people in charge of W5 were Karim Muammar, a Nordic LARPer who doesn't care about anything other than Vampire the Masquerade, and Justin Achilli, a jaded designer who had grown to hate TTRPGs and the people who play them after decades of writing them. Neither of them have a history of liking Werewolf the Apocalypse or wanting anything to do with it, so I imagine that they were very unhappy when Paradox urged them to work on a Werewolf game. There's even a few leaks that reveal that Karim Muammar was very disdainful towards Werewolf the Apocalypse and wanted to go even further than W5 did when it comes to shitting on Werewolf's legacy.

>>96953578
>Justin Achilli, a jaded designer who had grown to hate TTRPGs
Read Achilli's essay in the appendix of the WtA 2nd Edition Player's Guide sometime. He's always been brain damaged like that.

>>96951929
>This place would be extremely cool: https://slh.com/hotels/galleria-vik-milano
Beautiful, but that's a lot of windows for a vampire hotel.

>>96951934
>Scientist face of the Weaver and the Machine face of the Weaver
I thought there were three faces: science, machine, and patriarchy.

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>>96953716
Oh, he really has always been like this. Badwrongfunning people who don't play in a way he likes.

>>96953756
science, machine(tech), and dogma. It doesn't have to be patriarchy when it's about rigid social enforcement. I personally think Science should be broadened to Knowledge to ensnare the hermetics and their posers.

>>96952042
Even on the best scenario where the Traditions win, you get something along the lines of Shadowrun and while that can work just fine we have no real reason to believe that their next hegemony would be any different from the previous one in terms of quality of life or scale of awakening.

>>96952042
>they want every human (yes, including you) to have the same reality dicking powers they have
No, they want people to only have those powers "the correct way". The first edition talks about this, how technology is bad because people can easily use it without becoming a sorcerer's apprentice.

>>96953716
He had grown to hate TTRPGs even by that point. By the time he was working on W5, his hatred had grown so strong that the entire game was intended as a middle finger towards what he considered badwrongfun.

>>96953775
But that would muddy the waters too much for the writer's tastes and we can't have that. If you want to make the Weaver more "coherent" with humanity the 3 main facets would be something along the lines of
>Thought
The ability to abstract.
>Tool
The ability to shape.
>Tongue
The ability to communicate.

That main problem with this iteration is how there a lot of overlap with other spirits and their domains.

>>96953427
People. Not Garou.
Garou are rage-fueled manimals constantly teetering on the brink of a meltdown.

>>96953498
To be fair, calling for hunger rolls is shit.
To be fair, calling for clarity rolls is shit.
To be fair, calling for paradox rolls is shit.

That's the entire point of WoD, anything special you can do is a curse just as much as it is a blessing. Otherwise it's just a power fantasy.

>>96953775
Thank you for the clarification; I like dogma better actually.

>>96953861
What part of "every scene" did you miss? If you're playing those interactions that frequently odds are you are focusing too much on it or getting contrived.

>No alcoholic Fianna gf who will beat you up in another one of her drunken rages, then later apologizes while sobbing and giving a clumsily hand job, also while drunk again

>>96953857
Sounds like we need a category that's on par with celestine but isn't tied to a celestial body to better demarcate why they're so high. If Mother wasn't so...all-encompassing as a triat third, one could safely declare her A distinctly human (species) celestine-equivalent concept spirit.

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>>96953766
It's always funny that writers can be completely different even in the same splat.
Remember, White Wolf Stormtroopers will not come to your home to take away your dice.

>>96953861
>Garou aren't people
>when they are
Machines aren't people either Iteration X. Hilariously both understand it better than you.

Protip: There's nothing wrong with Touchstones, you're just butthurt you can't play an edgy lone wolf who doesn't give a shit about anyone.

>>96953870
I mean, even setting aside chronicle-specific events that could push the wrong buttons on a Garou (like some drunk asshole heckling the case-in-point sugartits punkrocker ahroun), even something as trivial as a fucking botch has the chance to trigger a Rage roll.

I'm not saying it should happen in every scene, but if a violent freakout is not a constant worry for any 4+ Rage Garou (just as Hunger, or loss of Clarity, or Paradox should be for other splats), you're sugarcoating the entire point and theme of the system.

>>96953893
Garou are not JUST people. What's in there, beside "people", is the Rage monster.
However you manage to make the two coexist is the entire point of the game, and it sure as hell should not be "Rage rolls are a problem so we're not going to have them".

>>96953304
He's getting better at it

>>96953882
White Wolf has a problem with making degrees of power feel distinct rather than a two separate tiers. I am sure that is by design but is is very annoying most of the time.

>>96953937
There's nothing wrong with them, they just ask for the bare minimum thought and screentime dedicated to human side of the vampire and that's often too much of a distraction.

>>96954115
If you're a misanthropic social cripple too mentally damaged to relate to other human beings, maybe. OH WAIT.

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>>96951840
It's not just an issue with anti-posters, it's an issue with people who like the splat as well. Boiling down the Garou into being rage-filled retards responsible for all of the world's woes is something that everyone does. It's not entirely wrong, but people neglect important historical events and entire books just to fixate on stuff which is funny to meme on. Even when people claim that they have a balanced perspective, they still come to conclusions like "werewolves are so rage-fuelled that they can't even dress themselves properly or put on make-up properly," which goes against both what was written and what was drawn for Werewolf the Apocalypse.
And no, I'm not advocating for a perspective of werewolves-are-sweet-innocent-dindus-who-never-did-anything-wrong-and-don't-need-anger-management. Their ancestors fucked up in massive ways that harmed Gaia irrevocably, a lot of them are still fucking up and they all struggle with their rage, which makes their lives difficult in a bunch of ways. A lot of posters just seem incapable of reading that in a nuanced way and double-down on the raging retard interpretation of Garou.

>>96953937
>>96954115
They need to be threaded into the stories better. v5's need to have them completely separate is dumb if they're supposed to be a cornerstone to your character. inb4 >v5.
If they can be rolled into a contact or ally that'd be fitting.

>>96954144
Requiem 2e (from which V5 ripped them off) did it better.

Someone ask the Glass Walker in the pack to run an early life check on the Pentex board of directors.

>>96954155
Well, yeah. Requiem's touchstones are light and unobtrusive, and they're far more customizable. You can have Touchstones that are objects of great personal importance, your own tombstone is a listed example touchstone. V5 pigeonholes the concept into giving everyone an emotional support human. Requiem can do that, but it doesn't force you to do it that way.

V5 is a mix of stolen Requiem ideas done worse, and baffling "fixes" to oWoD issues. Both come back to the same foundational problem the edition has. It tries to use mechanics to fix bad roleplaying. Which just ends up punishing the good roleplayers who find their options curtailed, and locks the bad roleplayers into a mindset where they're never forced to grow because the game handles all that pesky character work, decision making and acting for them.

>>96954144
The touchstones can be tied to another merit, that just isn't common practice.

>>96953861
Oh fuck off

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What the hell happens here?

>>96954497
Changeling stuff. Miami's got some vamps(sabbat) too and a mage cabal

>>96954287
You failed your Rage roll and lifted the Veil

>>96954497
Miami's partially under control of the Sabbat, but the state itself is mostly Changeling territory ruled by Morganna.

what would be the best place to live in WoD for normies who want to avoid all the supernatural bullshit?

>>96954568
Florida. Most of the time changeling stuff, CtDwise, is pretty not impactful for humans. Technocracy might seethe eternal in the state but hey have bigger things.

>>96954568
Ironically Japan is pretty quiet. Between the nukes fucking up the dragon lines and the Japanese government being pretty much the only one (pre-5e shit) actually cracking down on supers most of the ones there keep their heads down.

>>96954624
Shinzui Industries is there, but that may be a point in favor of “no supernatural bullshit” depending on how you view it