Tranny janny deserves to be beheaded

Don't post coomslop then LOL this is not /v/ where you can flood the board with lust-provoking image crap

>>96957680
Shut up janny. You can delete individual images, do that instead of deleting an entire thread when people are actually having discussions.

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>>96957435
>TCaC: Retrain panik's monsters into a real deck.
A series of flip monsters that set themselves facedown with an ability for the deck to activate a retrain of this card, the retrain operating at quick-effect speed and is able to book of moon your own monsters.

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Are there any good undead decks for genesys?

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Will Card Ejector ever get a reprint with this background art?
Those new OCG GX boxes with all the anime cards leads me to believe it'll happen one day.

>>96959221
They haven't been seeing tops at major events just yet, but there's likely a few running around. Eldlich is 0 points, for instance. As is Balerdrach, Zombie World, Necroworld Banshee, Mezuki, Uni-Zombie, and a lot of other cards.

There are some cards that do eat significant cost, though. Terraforming's a 33 point card per copy, as is Foolish Burial, and if you are playing a deck with The Zombie Vampire that guy's a 50 point card. All other floodgate options are functionally all at 100 points apiece, so you can't leverage those for any of the older Eldlich stun lists or the like. And of course, Link monsters are also banned which prevents you from having easy ways to get cards into the graveyard, as well as losing out on some support.

Also relevantly, the functional "gatekeeper" deck of the format is Radiant Typhoon. The deck consistently fails to overall win events, but it does frequently take 1-2 places in Top 8. As it is based around Mystical Space Typhoon, any Zombie World builds will be vulnerable to it.

this raidraptor edgelord is such a buzzkill

>>96959221
Is the punk shit too taxed in that format? Because a few years back i remember trying to make the deck work, and ze amin/e-tele bridged both halves. They've lost a shit ton of endboard pieces (namely baronne, borrelsavage and beatrice), but there's still that one swordshit synchro and their own boss monsters ie the red-eyes synchros.

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>>96959602
P.U.N.K managed to grab two of the slots of the Phillidelphia Invitational tournament. While the player count seems low, that's because Genesys Invitational tournaments are formed from the top 2 players of various 16 person single-elimination side events.

https://ygoprodeck.com/tournament/genesys-invitational-pittsburgh-3812

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>>96957435
Whats the purpose of this card? Is it just to occupy space on the opponents board?


I know there's a turn 1 kill combo that involves using it, but im asking aside from that.

>>96959602
PUNK is quite well-off since Foxy Tune is the only thing in their native kit that's been touched (5pt). Most people I've seen will run it with a generic Psychic pile since E-Tele is searchable and Psychic piles have gotten some pretty good shit over the years. Mind Procedure puts E-Tele in your hand and Psychic Blaster MKII is a good PUNK target that can act as removal and put a little bit of gas(LP) back in your tank for you to continue firing off.

If you wanna mix it with Zombies, then you could run it with Chaos Ruler since he's only 50pt in Genesys, but I don't know how the rest of the deck would look (most PUNK Genesys decks don't run him since the rest of the psychic pile does enough heavy lifting on its own).

>>96959665
It's basically just a worse version of Ojama Trio, yes. Jack Atlas used it in the anime where its effect was 100% identical, but since they only have 4000 LP in the anime it would be used to burn for over half his opponent's LP.

>>96959645
>>96959666
My list is very outdated (i know zombies, punk and psychics have gotten new support, but i don't really care about any of them anymore), but basically you field ze amin and search foxy tune with it, and use that to get deer note on the field as well. You synchro into their only LV8 and search psychic tracker, then revive ze amin. Tracker is level 3 so you can synchro into immortal dragon, who will foolish ghost sleeper, who searches ghost fusion. You then fuse garura using immortal and spiridao from deck, then banish sleeper to summon spiridao, who can foolish another zombie.

However i don't know where the line goes after this, because the next thing you did was xyz summon beatrice to dump another zombie/krystia. And then you synchro summoned baronne and a few other monsters that are now banned.

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>>96959692
It does more damage than ojama trio to opponents when they die. But it's harder to activate, the tokens are stronger, and they can be tributed.

Doesn't them being able to be tributed makes it significantly weaker than ojama trio?

https://kemono.cr/fanbox/user/1943620
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>>96960221
>same pose but with some mild variation in between
>no Dark Carly
Beggars can't be chosers but I'd like to feast properly for once

>>96960096
It's not just the tokens themselves, but also their kits. Nightmare Archfiend doesn't really contribute towards anything meaningful while Ojama Duo and Trio both have precedence with lockdown strategies and also contribute towards their native kit's gameplan of locking down your opponent's main monster zones. The Ojama traps have a place in the game while Nightmare Archfiend only has a place in the anime and a niche OTK strat.

Why do people play like 60 cards in Sunavalon/Rikka decks?

>>96960925
lots of starters that double as extenders

you don't mind getting handtrapped because triple TTT means you can draw into more starters/extenders or set a blowout card like dimensional barrier/anti spell fragrance (lol RIP)

any 2 bodies equals dancepione, which can let you go full combo anyway because jasmine tributes literally anything to bring out any plant

ragnaraika and primite are way too good for this deck, one is full combo just with a discard, the other can be a targeted negate + banish on top of e-teleing your best starter (a fucking vanilla level 1)

>>96960221
why dont i see anyone posting hentai in mtg threads?

>>96961592
Every character is a gay trans woke furry they/them jones nightmare

>>96961727
blatnatly untrue.

>>96961800
Okay maybe there’s two characters that aren’t lgbtq

>>96961592
Hentai of who? Guy in the chair? City pigeon? Sol ring? Polluted delta?

I'm so fucking tired of Ryzeal Detonator.

I'm so fucking tired

I'm so tired

>>96961592
Because yugioh just has better porn potential. They make the characters generally more appealing. Not to mention half the sets MTG is making now are already existing IPs so they make less characters.

Using >>96961727 as a test and 10 seconds of searching on e621 gives about 3.1k results for YGO and 2.6k for MTG.
To better compare apples to apples, lets use some dragons.
Blue eyes has 190 hits, red eyes has 62.
Meanwhile, even the gay dragons Ugin and Nico bolas can only get 13 and 45 respectively.
Enjoy pic related as a find from my research.

>>96964938
Your picture annoys me because blue eyes is canonically a woman

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>>96957435
I summon Left Foot of the Forbidden One in attack position.
I lick the Forbidden One's toes.
>*sluuuuuuuurp*
Ah- most delectable!
I end my turn.

>>96959221
So much zombie packfiller exists, especially in recent years. Titan of tarterus, the new fieldspell for eldlich, the eldlich cards in general, all the old staples like mezuki and gozuki, the structure deck in general, they even have multiple themed foolish burial cards, like the zombie turtle spell. It's actually very diverse in what you can come up with and do for zombies

>>96964988
Dont worry, it's most likely futa/hermaph. As is most of the art of BE on e621 for some reason. Most of it has tits and then a good portion of those have cocks too.
Hope that make you feel better!

>>96961592
Character design like >>96961727 is ranting about has nothing to do with it.

Storytelling method is the issue. Magic strongly tied the stories they tell to the sets they release, which means they have to tell a full story in at best a year, while simultaneously needing to introduce a full planet, and that was before they reduced the size of their blocks. Their villains lose impact from how fast they go down, so overcoming them doesn't feel as hard which weakens the protagonists.

Yu-Gi-Oh doesn't have its stories tied to specific sets. Whether you are talking about the anime or card stories like Branded, stuff has a lot more time to just play out, so its easier to get attached and thereby make stuff.

Set rotation in Magic but not in Yu-Gi-Oh compounds this issue. Even if Commander has become the big format and there's various eternal formats for Magic, it does put a hard ticking clock in people's minds for how long something will be relevant for. Meanwhile, Yu-Gi-Oh decks do fall out of meta, but can be rogue viable for a really long time if you keep working on ways to update the deck, even before factoring in synergistic cards or legacy support. Thus promoting a willingness to get attached to a deck.

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>>96965102
I play the Mighty Masturbation magic card!
allowing me to send semen from dick to hand!

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>>96965810
>>96965102
You guys are FUCKED in the head, I swear

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When can we expect this absolute cute to show up stateside? I know there are precedents for Shonen Jump cards to get worldwide releases but I'm not keen on the timeframe.

>>96962573
Liliana? Vraska? Chandra?

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>>96965744
So is it because yugioh was more focused on the story? Whereas MtG kinda treats it as an afterthought?

>>96967335
I don't think it's about focusing on the story, I think it's about focusing on the characters. Magic has a tendency for their creatures to be "a thing", as in a generic version or archetypal member of a species, group, or organization. Meanwhile, yugioh cards are typically framed as "THE thing", an exemplary or singular individual. Monsters are given a focus in being characters in their own right, which is enforced by the anime, where they literally appear as characters, and decks follow a pseudo-highlander style where seeing copies of a card is a notable exception, not the assumed default. There's also the meta-story, where in Magic you're playing a representation of a wizard duel pulling out memories of where you've been, giving a layer of obfuscation and fakeness to the depictions in the cards, but in Yugioh, the card game is about a card game with cards that are individuals. It's all direct

>>96967633
>Magic has a tendency for their creatures to be "a thing", as in a generic version or archetypal member of a species, group, or organization
I don't know about that one, chief. Maybe once upon a time that was true but ever since the shitstain advent of commander there's been an obvious blight tendency for every Tom, Dick, and Harry to be LEGENDARY super speshul one-of-a-kind creatures.

>>96967335
Partly. I can think of something else that's big that affects things. Availability.

Now Konami isn't the best on the availability side due to all the Japanese only releases of stuff like the Valuable Collection EX. But on the flip side, the Anime is really easy to come across, and in both cases, it is still pretty clear where you want to start.

Magic? It's a lot harder to know where to start, and its story is split across books that can be hard to get a copy of for the older sets, and the newer sets are released across comics and a web novel.

Combined with this, Yu-Gi-Oh wikis are maintained by lunatics who can track down a ton of info with step-by-step replays of all the duels if you go to an episode. Magic suffers a bit on this front. Like, if you look at the fandom page for Jace and compare it to Yusei, you'll see that the section used for describing Jace's appearance and personality (~380 words) is roughly equal in size to Yusei's appearance (~320 words).

And even with Wizards having communication far more open, you can generally see more information on card art for Yu-Gi-Oh cards than you'll get for a lot of Magic cards. Like, if you look at this card trivia:
https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Card_Trivia:The_Spiritual_Lord
You get a lot of commentary on the artwork of a card that is purely a video game exclusive, while a lot of magic cards just link to Scryfall where there's none of that.

Archetypes may also be another saving grace on this front. Regardless of how you feel about them from a game design perspective, even bad archetypes like Tistina have sections on Etymology and Card Art design that includes stuff like "The name "Tistina" comes from the Baptistina family of asteroids, one such asteroid speculated to have been the asteroid that caused the mass extinction of all non-avian dinosaurs on Earth." Even with nothing else, the theming alone can pulls you in more than a set of random goblins.

>>96967774
Now that's not to say that Magic has nothing to draw people in. But it is far more foused on different combinations of their Color Pie, not the individual cards or a series of cards unless it is some very specific forces. Those few like the Slivers or Eldrazi tend to feel like they have a bit more staying power that manages to ascend above just being the faction of a particular color combination, often of just singular planes and only referenced further on if they were the first with a specific color pie identity.

>>96967774
>"The name "Tistina" comes from the Baptistina family of asteroids, one such asteroid speculated to have been the asteroid that caused the mass extinction of all non-avian dinosaurs on Earth."
what the fuck that's awesome

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>>96961727
>they/them jones

>>96967663
I'll admit I'm basing this off of an experience with Magic several years old now, but the legacy is an important part. This kind of idea of what a card game is has a long momentum, and the point is Yugioh went in that direction from the start and kept going, while Magic didn't and is now starting to pivot more towards that.

>>96967335
i wonder if I just made that post to share that fanart i found.

>>96967798
(3/3)
And in regards to the "LEGENDARY super speshul one-of-a-kind creatures" that >>96967663 brought up that Magic has been adding in, they do come about and this has resulted in more general generics slowing down a bit from what I've heard. But on the flip side, those character tend to be in the realm of "Color Pie Legendary for X plane" with maybe an association of there being an association with a certain gameplay mechanic.

They may end up depicted on several cards and even get a bit of spotlight, but once the story moves to another plane, you are generally going to lose them. Even Planeswalkers and the new Omenpaths don't leave people immune to this, because you generally won't see them again unless you go back to their plane again, or have something associated with their plane.

Thus, even if they have the Legendary tag, when their plane is gone, they turn into just generics. Because their identity is not of themselves unless they make it to the ranks of the ensemble cast and can get a bunch more character cards. They just become slightly higher power staples for a particular chunk of the Color Pie, if they aren't too weak compared to the others.

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I wonder what cards (or characters in a more general sense) would be like if you brought them across games.

>>96968077
Makes sense. That would also explain why the sudden inclusion of crossover sets felt about as fluid as gravel down your throat.

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what guy (if he has a name/card) is depicted on these 2 cards?

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>>96968330

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MtG had "trap" cards. I have to wonder if they were inspired by yugioh at all.

https://scryfall.com/card/zen/57/mindbreak-trap

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>>96968202
>>96968392
It was just a brief series of them though. In the zendikar block
https://scryfall.com/card/zen/41/archive-trap

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Is Okiku a loli?

>>96968430
i dont think so

>>96968441
Did a little research and she's apparently based on some Japanese folktale about a servant who accidentally broke her master's fine china while trying to protect it from a cat who smelled fish because her master is a rancid scrooge who doesn't like to share.
She got her middle finger cut off for breaking the dish, was locked in a room for 15 days to starve, escaped somehow, then died while running away and haunted an old well where the voice of someone counting dishes could be heard.
She was described as 壮い and 美しい in the story.

TL;DR maybe is a loli

There's also some sort of rakugo parody of it.

>>96968528
Oh that's just a variation of the story. What matter is:

girl counts dishes -> dies somehow then haunts people. A well is always involved.

>>96967198
Late reply but i'd assume battle of legends at some point.

>>96968330
>>96968332
Nvm, it appears on the trivia page:
https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Card_Trivia:Mutamorphosis

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>deck that interest me, i pilot like total dogshit
>decks that don't interest me or play out of conveince, i pilot decently.
I hate it. Probably doesn't help i only really play once a week and grinding on sims kinda bores me after a while.

I love playing Master Duel, why do fags hate it so much? Skill issue?

I even told my normie friends I think the game is in its best state right now and they thought I was joking but shat up when they realized I was dead serious. What the hell? And I do mean it, Yu-Gi-Oh is amazing right now compared to 2016.

I love Aoi Zaizen, when are trickstars becoming meta? Lunalights proved they can do it.

>>96967798
Yu-Gi-Oh has a higher international playerbase from Asia, Europe, Latin America, and Middle East, literally the entire world. Magic is more limited to just the West. Not even Pokemon has the wide range Yu-Gi-Oh has.

>>96969293
>Middle East
Do egyptian players look at yugi and think
>He's literally me
or something.

>>96969305
No, they just have a bit of appreciation for Japanese stuff

>>96969305
Probably, but it is actually Israel that plays it there.

>>96968528
iirc the original story is about a beautiful young slave who didn't want to become the personal onahole of her lord, so he hid one of his finest plates and blamed the poor girl, who assured him she had washed them carefully and put them back in their place
she counted the plates many, many times and always came up one short (thus why the card also has you count to 10)
the lord once again offered to overlook this if she became his consort, she refused again
he killed her and threw her body in a well
she came back to haunt him until he went mad and killed himself

>>96969227
There's no point in arguing with a disingenuous retard, but just in case you're not baiting, the game is indeed in the gutter because konami won't actually properly balance it, they just want to see people buy the latest deck. Mind you that this is exactly what the OCG/TCG does, but the issue here is that lately they've shown an obvious bias for certain decks.

Snake-eye lasted nearly two years at the top, and every time they were forced to hit it they just happened to introduce more tools that would help it stay in tier 1 (fire king, r-ace, fiendsmith, azamina) in the very next pack.

Its immediate rival tenpai was pre-hit (snake-eyes wasn't), and was immediately made useless after its selection pack expired.

Maliss got introduced to the game completely untouched, moreover it actually had MORE tools available here than it ever did in either paper format, namely 2 gold sarc and apollousa. Ignister was also released in the very next selection pack after it, so the deck remained at full power for nearly 4 months.

Ryzeal was pre-hit, didn't get all of its support right away, and only enjoyed 2 weeks with its best engine (mitsurugi) before it got gutted. Hell, it only got its last and probably most important tool RIGHT after the banlist that more or less killed it.


Now, what is the difference between snake-eye and tenpai/maliss and ryzeal? One is full of anime girls, the other is all conventionally cool (actual) monsters. Digital pussy pass. They are LITERALLY thinking with their dicks when it comes to balancing the game.

I am new and curre try reading the latest rulebook. I see that the ability to summon monsters from your extra deck to either the Extra or regular Monster Zone was errata'd in 2021. How the fuck did the game function when you could only summon the Extra Monster Zone?

>>96969791
and yet Yu-Gi-Oh is doing better than all of its competitors. Funny isn't it. People actually play it compared to Pokemon, Digimon, One Piece. It ain't poisoned compared to Magic. And it ain't struggling to even live compared to Cardfight Vanguard.

>>96969791
You fags were always complaining and saying the game is dying since 2004. I can't take you seriously.

>>96969791
Pendulum era was miles worse than you could even imagine.

>>96957809
Sorry anon. You should know /tg/ is the 2nd most lefty board on this site after /co/. You aren't allowed to have ops with attractive women.

>>96969945
we have furfag ops on /co/ all the time tho

>>96969929
I think that person has a credible argument on account of the fact that they're specifically talking about MD, which has had a downward trend in players for months. It's a little different than saying the game as a whole is dying.
>https://steamcharts.com/app/1449850

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Quit your bitching and kneel for the return of the king.

https://ygorganization.com/rustedchainsofprisonmoons/

>>96969967
meanwhile
>https://steamcharts.com/app/2141910

>>96969981
>I've been ousted! Quickly, I must show off numbers for MtG: Arena (a client that has famously been dogshit and never got over 15k consecutive players) as to distract them from Master Duel's poor player retention!

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>>96969972

>>96970032
>Not pictured: Yusei trying to find a follicle of hair to pluck from his bald head
The King wins again.

>>96969227
>I think the game is in its best state right now
Its best? Fuck no.

Holy fuck, can't believe I missed the new Springans support by basically a month. Has anyone here had some success and/or fun with it?

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>>96969972
>>96970032
>>96970049
The king always wins

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>>96969227
OP here; I main Azamina btw

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>>96970614
Jack please, give your gorgeous girl failure wife some fucking support cards. Just one card. Anything for Fortune Ladies. Anything. A fusion, a link, and XYZ, a fucking PENDULUM, I'll take anything at this point.
Spell card, Fortune Coin. Pay your opponent 300 bucks and summon 3 Fortune Ladies with different names on the field. This card's effect can't be negated. Also the Ladies are not affected by card effects.

>>96969227
Because the format still sucks dick and the model is becoming worse.
It has maxx C plus the "fixed" maxx Cs making the insta-lose mini game worse. If you think this is healthy then you're just dumb. There's enough talk on this.
The format is many months behind the OCG/TCG. I play months of the card pool digitally on EDO, I play months of it in paper, and only then does MD get it. If I have any issues with that then I have to pray and hope that konami resolves it quickly but they often don't for various reasons be it incompetency, profit motive, or because it's too new to MD. I don't want to play that exact same format any longer if it has issues. The TCG has likely already released a slap on the wrist hit to those issues by the time it drops in MD so there's not much of a reason to play it on MD.
The UR counts are getting ridiculous. It is getting to the point where event gems are not sufficent to continue playing the game. The UR dust demand has outpaced the avg expected return from finishing events to make up enough of that dust to build more decks in the future. Worst of all it's creeping into glorp shitto decks too that can't hold up in the meta so you're actively discouraged from pulling/crafting those for-fun decks now.
I can throw money at the game to make up that need but for the same amount of money or less I can build the deck in paper. Even if the deck is ass and loses all the time, at least I actually own it.
Cards are never really reprinted and are fixed in rarity. You can't wait for a megatin or reprint to drop the cost. Once a UR, it will always cost that.
There is one way to play the game most of the time and many events feel the same as ranked. Often because the events are designed to shill the new decks and one of them just so happens to be meta.

If you're exclusively playing MD then I guess a lot of this doesn't matter or doesn't make sense to you.
Is that wall of text sufficent?

>>96969227
There's several I've seen.

Higher ranks devolve into mono-deck formats a lot of the time due to the banlist on multiple occasions having cards banned in both the OCG and TCG being left free. This was an issue from the start with stuff like True King of All Calamities being legal from the start.

Said launch format was so bad and the banlists taking several months with only minor hits early on probably killed a ton of potential by driving away players.

Card releases are also so far behind the OCG and TCG that the formats feel stale by the time they start.

The tutorial system is generally inadequate to prepare people for Ranked, especially as people with higher power decks slowly slipped to lower ranks from low interest in grinding to max. Game can be amazing, but this makes a painful barrier to entry.

"Casual" is just ranked but with no ranking and no rewards as you can't complete missions there.

Solo modes are pretty underdeveloped for the speed they are released at.

Several of the more interesting alt formats only last like 3 days, and even then longer ones don't last long.

Most importantly, what you have the options to do now is not too different than the options you had at launch. There's a bit more customization options, the highest rank gives ELO ladder access, and a few more solo games, but that's really it.

Personally, I wish they would expand the Duel Rooms feature so you can fuck with a ton of the games rules like number of cards drawn per turn and allowing you to make fully custom banlists - and do stuff like the Skull Invitation events to preset cards on field or in-hand. Then create a Browser that they can be made public with so people can find these rooms rather than being invite only. Even better, make it so rather than just the Tables, you can enable an automatic bracket so you can run tournaments in-client rather than needing external Discord infrastructure.

This isn't impossible stuff, it's been done on fan clients already.

>>96970032
Someone tell me how good the Assault Mode and Crimson Blade are

>>96970382
It doesn't really feel like it helps the core of the deck in a way that matters to the archetype and it's just easier to go into general XYZ gameplans. So I guess if you don't care what form the deck takes it's good but if you want Springans then you'll be a little underwhealmed. It's just become an XYZ pile and there's better options in utopic.
Kind of disappointed with how the deck evolved over time personally. I'd rather the deck have been shit but flavorful than reduced to an engine to make generics is all.

>>96969864
You really only got to summon from ED once to the EMZ (extra monster zone) if you didn't have a link monster.
Some context. Many decks got an apology link 2/3 during that period if they needed to make multiple ED guys like needing a synchro tuner + synchro monster or needing 2 fusion monsters to fuse into a big guy. But it really wasn't enough towards playerbase infered theory or to help those decks preform as they once did if they existed before the change.
It was in theory a way to limit how hard decks could go because they needed to make a link monster first but it actually resulted in people having to go in harder in order to solve that link monster issue first and then actually play.
I think Konami recognized that it wasn't working out so they just kind of scrapped it.
No idea why pends are still held back by it though, not a single pend deck today has teeth and being able to summon maybe 3 guys at the cost of 2 semi specific cards is generally terrible card economy. Just about every deck that isn't pend can already do this without breaking a sweat.
Pro tip: pends are not the boogeyman reddit and mega casuals might have you believe. Hell they don't even make real pend decks anymore, they're usually just used as glorified optional cont. spells in an otherwise not pend deck. And the last time a true pend deck was in the meta about 7(?) years ago.

>The tutorial system is generally inadequate to prepare people for Ranked
It literally took me a month of watching youtubers and lore videos to understand the current state of the game. For reference I returned this summer after haven't playing since late 00s. It ain't rocket science and I don't think catering to casuals or Yugiboomers will fix anything, it will make it worse actually. These people are just lazy and won't learn anyway or just want to relive some anime influenced nostalgia and never actually played the game as it was meant to be played anyway.

>>96971661
>The UR counts are getting ridiculous. It is getting to the point where event gems are not sufficent to continue playing the game. The UR dust demand has outpaced the avg expected return
I literally crafted a Master lv deck with the initial 10k you get from the tutorial, but I already knew what I wanted to play and was ready for the grind game... MD doesn't hold your had but it is sufficient for f2p if you know what you are doing. And I am not talking about some garbage it had 20 URs not from Special packs in there, you can do even better with less.

I agree on the point that there ain't much to do outside of climbing the ladder, would be cool if we get more story gates; this is what I actually want a lot.

A lot of these complaints just boil to
>"People ain't being smart with their resources in a resource heavy game and pay the price for it"

>>96971869
>It literally took me a month of watching youtubers and lore videos to understand the current state of the game. For reference I returned this summer after haven't playing since late 00s. It ain't rocket science and I don't think catering to casuals or Yugiboomers will fix anything, it will make it worse actually. These people are just lazy and won't learn anyway or just want to relive some anime influenced nostalgia and never actually played the game as it was meant to be played anyway

Needing to go to external tutorials on YouTube is the root source of the problem that creates Boomers and no-games. You managed to find some at least semi-competent people in your search, but it is extremely easy to find people repeating boomers or no-games talking points, or from falling down the rabbit hole of clickbait combo decks that look impressive but are extremely cherry picked replays for minimal interruption. This can be made worse if the new players are trying to join in a bad TCG format and end up hearing way more complaints. Thus, as they lack any proper knowledge, a lot of new players adopt those opinions with less nuance, and many returning players get the "back in my day" opinion, especially if they run into Edison or Goat format stuff and how its frequently glazed.

Competent tutorials with completion incentives have people more likely to approach the game as it stands, thus reducing the presence of no-games casuals and boomers. Some do certainly hold on, but that becomes more focused in people that just won't enjoy it in the first place.

>>96967335
Magic use to take its story very seriously

>>96971869
>These people are just lazy and won't learn anyway
The more I learned it the less I liked it, honestly. It was dazzling at first but the more I played the more slapdash and cobbled together the game felt. I still follow it and play it now and then, but because I'm curious and it amuses me. I don't think it's good.

>>96957680
>>96957809
>>96969945
>>96969950
The reason that OP got deleted is probably because it looks like straight up hentai:
https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=12885281
It's not because it's got pretty women it it.

I'd also say It's probably not immediately obvious to a janny that this is even ygo related

If you had post less erotic fanart it wouldn't have gotten deleted.
>>96969950
There's a difference between furry and furry porn.

>>96972345
>It's not immediately obvious to a janny that a thread that has a fully formatted OP that indicates that it's had close to 600 repeating threads is even YGO related
>They could have taken those context clues into account, deleted the OP image, and banned the retard that posted it, but instead they opted to just nuke the entire thread that was actually having a healthy and on-topic discussion about the game pertaining to the validity of stun decks
Nah, go fuck yourself janny. You can try to justify your actions any way you want to, that doesn't change the fact that you decided to nuke an entire goddamn thread instead of the one offending element of it.

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>>96971869
>I crafted a mater level deck with the frontloaded gems
Yeah cool dude, but all the front loaded gems dried up in the first year and solo modes are one time rewards. That well has been dry for me and many others for years now though. I'm going to assume you've played less than a year though so you wouldn't understand that yet though, I started day 1.
You're gonna feel it one day too. It's designed like any other f2p game, frontload a bunch of currency but slowly boil the frog. Events will offset it for a while but for me it was mid 2nd year that it caught up from making a new deck every month or so.
Also I don't want to play only meta decks, yet it's costing me a similar amount at almost 20+ URs for those non-meta decks.
>Solo mode
Konami has one of the easiest layups of all time by just making a bunch of classic anime inspired solo modes and they just don't for some reason. Sure seeing some archetype lore is neat, but this is the easiest shit ever and it's baffling they haven't. Maybe it's so they can milk such an experience in duel links? Hell maybe make some OCs for MD.
>boils down to
First of all, this is absolutely shill behavior. It should not have to be so terrible, it was decently relaxed before and now it's worse. This game is about playing cards, not playing economic management. I'd go play an RTS or tycoon game if I wanted that.
Secondly, do you think I get a choice of how many URs there are in a deck? How am I "outsmarting" needing almost 30 URs for many of the meta decks. That's going to strain your gems hard each time you need to build a new deck once the meta shifts and no amount of smart planning is going to mitigate that besides never building anything outside the meta. But I guess that's fine because there's no other way to play the game. :^)

>>96969950
Sounds standard for your average furfag to me, no degeneracy other than theirs is allowed to exist

>>96972345
Jannies are likely MTGfags. They even deleted the MS paint drawn blue eyes with crudely drawn balls and ass from behind that was posted earlier in the thread.
https://files.catbox.moe/vvxdax.png

>>96969864
Master Rule 4 was when Link Monsters were introduced, which is why you have cards like Predaplant Verte Anaconda, Crystron Halqifibrax, Heavymetalfoes Electrumite, and the xyz guy that nobody remembers.

How did people do it? You could only summon to the EMZ and linked zones, like what currently applies with Pendulum and Link Monsters.

Did people like it? There's a reason that Master Rule 5 is the default and not Master Rule 4.

>>96972542
thats technically nsfw (its got its nuts out), so i get why they deleted it.

that picture makes me lol though.

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>>96969920
>>96969929
>>96969942
>specifically talking about master duel
>ummm ackshully the game is still fine because [paper faggotry unrelated to the digital format] and [the pendulum fiasco which nearly killed the game, but its entirely unrelated to master duel]
based "won't read because i'm a yugioh player and that's what we do" retard

>>96972462
furry nsfw gets deleted (if the jannies see it).

>>96970900
azamina isn't a full deck, you mean sinful spoils slop?
>>96972542
because it's nsfw AND gay, kill yourself for thinking this trash should be allowed anywhere

>>96972840
It's an MS paint drawing of blue eyes with balls that's not serious at all. You might be a joyless husk if you can't find it funny.
And it's posted in response to >>96961727, but you likely don't read the thread.

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>>96970614
it's not fucking FAIR

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Is there a list of joke/parody cards?
Like these:
https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Pot_of_Generosity
https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Cold_Feet

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>>96973242

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has anyone played singleton format in ygo?

>>96971730
Red Nova AM is a win more card and you're probably better off focusing on Supernova. Crimson Blade has the potential to be borderline broken depending on what it can search in the future, and is a very good Bystial searcher right now.

I wonder what the development process is for cars

Cards

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Was there a card like this that ended a single game of a duel in a draw or something?
Or am I imagining things?

>First locals in three years last Saturday
>Went 3-1
>Had an absolute blast

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this is the one character i was not expecting to get a face like this and especially not this early

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>>96957435
Thinking about getting into the physical games, I always had the itch but never had the chance. Is the 3x blue eyes white destiny structure deck a meme? My store has them and I always liked blue eyes dragon, saw a couple videos about it and seemed like good value but I'd like to hear your unbiased opinion. I currently play pokemon tcg and used to play mtg like a decade ago so I don't think it should be hard for me to pick up on another game.

>>96975861
>Is the 3x blue eyes white destiny structure deck a meme?
Yes. The deck itself has the BEWD core in it, but the BEWD core on its own isn't good enough to compete even against casual decks. You need to get a moderately-expensive Primite engine to make it decent, or at the very least a cheapo Invoked engine for a budget build.

If you wanna run BEWD, look up decklists on ygoprodeck and find a build that fits your budget.

>>96974504
Probably Self-Destruct Button.

Honestly wish the boomers didn't leave

>>96976114
What do you mean?

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>>96975050
the kid is shady as fuck from the very beginning, you should have expected it really

by the way enjoy these few episodes because the anime falls off a cliff right after yuya duels reiji, and they make preparations before they leave for the synchro dimension

it's so fucking bad that it actually leaves you feeling empty

every plot thread set before the synchro dimension goes nowhere
every single character you met so far doesn't appear again until the last 5 episodes or so, and only as a background cameo of sorts, which makes you wonder why they even bothered to introduce them instead of diving right into the multi dimensions plot and characters

this is the one season that should have remained formulaic ie yu-whatever has a small group of friends and they face new challenges every so often
there really was no need for them to hop dimensions at all, just shove all the z-arc and rei shards in the standard/pendulum world and have the legacy characters invade/show up here

>>96976377
Only Vrains was good past the 5Ds

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>>96968330
>>96968332
It's the Frontier Wiseman possessed by the Possessed Dark Soul.

>>96976614
I had already found it from the trivia page, but thanks anyways.
>>96968765

>>96975861
The other person is mostly correct but it's important to make the distinction between competitive and competent. 3x of the structure deck will give you a competent deck, giving it those upgrades will make it a competitive deck.
Triple structure deck is a very traditional entry point to the game. And the newer BE deck is able to be competent which is to say that it's capable of achieving its desired and board fairly consistently and for that plan to matter.

I would say go for it if you can get it at a decent price. Most you lose out on is maybe $40 and however long you spend playing.
The other advice I would give is that you should not be afraid to "kill your darlings". You might find that you actually don't jive with the deck or outgrow it and want to do something different. If you post "Im looking for recs of X theme and Y play style, is modern playable, and can be built on a budget of about $100" you'll get some recs if it exists.

>>96976377
I always thought there was an ulterior motive he was hiding like he was from a rival duel school or lds sent by reiji or his mom but never something this malevolent feeling, there’s also the final whiplash of cutesy monsters and spells paired with him ranting like Reinhard Heydrich about how he needs to kill all XYZ survivors
>the rest of your post
you’re not making me feel too good about the rest of the episodes I have, I’ve been enjoying it pretty good so far

>>96977270
Arc-V is the anti-Zexal. Zexal starts weak, but after it finds its footing, becomes amazing. Arc-V starts amazing, and keeps finding ways to fall lower. Reiji consistently has entertaining duels, at least. The infinite FTK loop was the highlight of Synchro Dimension.

>>96977816
YuGiOh anime pretty consistently either starts strong, ends weak or starts weak, ends strong. There can be KINO in the weak parts or shit moments in the strong parts, but when taken as a whole, you generally get that pattern.

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>>96977270
FYUJON SHOKAN

>>96975861
You'll likely have a bit more success with 3 of the Chronicles: The Fallen and The Virtuous deck as its a decent structure and we know of some further oncoming support, and later picking up 3 of the Legendary 5Ds decks for the Mulcharmies and other staples (the actual decks are just a bonus, Purulia on its own was hitting $80 a copy before the announcement, and Fuwalos was still $20 a copy after a very aggressive reprint)

>>96972371
Cry about it forever lmao

>>96980099
>so anally devastated by a regular user calling you out that you needed to spend a night in the emergency room to cope with your prolapsed shitter before responding
Keep struggling, janny.

Anyone go card hunting at Target? I haven’t been there since I was a kid but I want to check it out and see what they got.

>>96980701
i've literally never found anything but the more recent products there

>>96981058
I want the 2025 tin. If I see it there I’ll buy it, if not I’ll just get it online.

>>96979543
DM: Strong -> Weak
GX: Weak -> Strong
5D's: Strong -> Weak
Zexal: Weak -> Strong
Arc-V: Strong -> Weak
Vrains: Weak -> Slightly less weak

>>96982320
>5D's: Strong -> Weak
Either shit opinion or never watched season 4.

>>96982620
You 5ds cultists are worse than the DM boomers.

>>96982640
I don't know what your major malfunction is, but there's a difference between saying "5Ds was the perfect anime" and "5Ds had a sharp nosedive in quality after the Signers arc but picked back up after the Z-One arc begins". S4 is unabashedly kino and only a soulless husk of a man could think otherwise.

>>96980701
There's this one fat fuck whose jewtube channel is all about hunting for rare cards at target and shartmart, and the dude has pulled fake cards and literal trash (mainly worn out sleeves, and i don't mean a full pack, literally just 5 or so sleeves) out of "mystery boxes" a LOT.

Save yourself the headache and just buy a brand new booster so you can open packs and feel like a kid again, duelist's advance and doom of dimensions are both $35-ish bucks because they're mostly flop sets, but if you're lucky you might pull a marshmao out of DOOD, which is currently going for like 50 dollars.

>>96982655
Did S4 fix Akiza doing fuck all? The Twins doing fuck all? The Yusei Mandate? The No Romance Mandate?

>>96983364
Uh, yes? Every signer, including Leo who is notable for becoming a fucking signer in that arc and saving both Jack and Luna from getting slaughtered like cattle, got duels in the Z-One arc. You'd probably know that if you actually watched it.

I don't care that much for any of the anime. Original manga or bust.

How friendly is your locals towards new players? I am very anxious about going for the first time cause I am a noob and dont want to frustrate people with slow play while I read all the cards and think about shit.

A deck that gives your opponent Exodia into their hand
Now that would be kino.

>>96984643
I would consider my locals very nice but with maybe 1 or 2 That Guys. About 1/4 of the people playing are on meta while everyone else is on whatever they want but with format staples to at least have an edge in the format.
But I don't think that's your actual underlying question here, rather you're asking what to expect at locals for a new player and maybe how to conduct yourself. Is that more what you're asking?

>>96985064
Plenty of people have made decks that do that. You use Gold Moon Coin/Gift Exchange to donate the pieces to your opponent.
You can find a ton of youtube combos that do it and I think a bunch of the notable yugioh youtubers have videos on it because self-TK videos were a popular trend early in MD's life. It was easy algorithm slop.

>>96982655
>5Ds was the perfect anime
That's literally what you're doing though. That show dropped off a fucking cliff after the 1st season. Even if s4 was marginally better than the shit that came before, it certainly wasn't good.

>>96986487
Yeah, it's the perfect anime... save for the MASSIVE FUCKING NOSEDIVE THAT THE SERIES TAKES UNTIL SEASON 4.

I know that reading comprehension must be difficult as a yugioh player, but that little tidbit I just typed at you in all caps? It was literally in the same sentence.

>>96986574
A show going from like a 2/10 to a 4/10 doesn't make it good.

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>>96986706
>b-but you were saying that it's perfect!
>you didn't? "nosedive in quality"? uhh erhmmhh uhhhh........ but it wasn't good!!!!!!!!

>>96986706
>Zexal dickrider can't even make their own phrases and just reuses ones said at him
lol
lmao

>Next death battle is Ash Ketchum vs Yugi
I expect that there's going to be several insufferable threads if Yugi wins.

I’m just gonna ask: when did Yu-Gi-Oh become infested with lolis? What year/era did this start? I’m a boomer and miss my Blue Eyes and Dark Magician. If you wanted to coom, you bought a Dark Magician Girl card, not lolis.

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>>96989571
Like what is this? Why is there a loli just showing her feet off for coomers?

>>96989571
Gee I dunno, maybe the series that had a lolicon in it (GX)

>>96989571
When 5Ds ended in early 2011 and Zexal began Kazuki Takahashi stepped down from the anime. You still had the occasional tit cow but they weren't the focus anymore.

>>96989571
It's only weird if you make it weird for starters. That's an alt art and we know exactly the type of people that play it at this point. (DUDE is way past it's print and we have cheap Ashes in other products now that have the original art)
As for question of when.
Tea was around since the start (2002, region date varies) but zexal (2015) introduced several characters that could be labeled such. Depends if by loli you mean minors broadly because you seem like that kind of person.
GX (2004) really started to lean into anime tropes and in that era featured cards like silent magician lv4 and a few others. And these are closer to what you likely mean. Paired with >>96989600
So that ship sailed about 20 years ago.

>>96989973
I wouldn’t consider Tea a loli though. A female who happens to be a minor, yes, but not a loli. These characters on this DUDE box set and the Traptrix deck are straight lolicon just without the nudity; the suggestive poses, the outfits, the style of art.

>>96989853
Takahashi only completely left after Zexal, not before

>>96989577
The better question is why is that fake ass ghost girl red blossoms there.

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>>96989571
>meanwhile in the manga

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One of everyone's favorite ritual monsters

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>>96991339
These are my favorite ritual monsters.

https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/137507241
Luna sex

>>96989571
Harpie Girl came out 2004.

>>96989571
The problem isn't just that there's waifushit/pedoshit, but that these are some of the most prominent cards in the modern game. If you want an even halfway viable deck you need no fewer than three little girls crammed into it no matter what you're running. YGO has always been a hodgepodge but it sucks the aesthetic fun out of the game for me.

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>>96991339
>>96991376
this one is mine

>>96991972
>If you want an even halfway viable deck you need no fewer than three little girls crammed into it no matter what you're running
You mean the precisely 3 copies of Ash Blossom that you need in every deck? Yes, that's how you typically do it if you want to see a card in your hand.

>b-but I meant that you also need ghost belle,
format-specific
>ghost ogre,
format-specific
>effect veiler,
that's a man
>and ghost mourner
format-specific

>>96992590
>You mean the precisely 3 copies of Ash Blossom
Obviously. Konami is grateful that you're on call for loli defense.

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>>96992636
Heaven forbid you need to run 3 copies of something fucking stupid that goes against what you like, like a bunch of cockroaches behind an entertainment center or a card that summons 4 whimsically-colored puffballs to your field in defense position to sandbag.

>>96992707
The discussion was about how YGO had "become infested with lolis." I explained why they're so visible, but thank you for invoking the much-beloved Maxx "C." Konami applauds your efforts.

>>96992732
You weren't explaining how it became infested with lolis. You were complaining about a single card that you don't like because you see small children and immediately think about men getting erections. I don't look at Ash Blossom and think about sex, I look at Ash Blossom and think about my effects getting negated. We are not the same.

>>96992750
>You weren't explaining how it became infested with lolis.
Are you illiterate?

>>96992755
1 card isn't a "loli infestation" no matter how ravenous your fantasies about men jacking off to her can get. The ghost girls as a whole see rotating play and even have entire formats where people generally just don't give a shit about any of them, save for Ash Blossom who at worst has been low-impact in multiple recent formats.

>>96992778
Lol okay partner.

>>96989571
I unironically want troglodytes like you exterminated. All Japanese media should have lolis actively fucking to drive off you retards.

>>96989571
Sample bias. There's over 12000 cards in existance, so most any style would end up coming about in significant quantity, and people obsessed with something will thereby end up having several things to use for their posting when they obsess over it.

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>>96991947
>Harpie Girl came out 2004.
is this really a loli? doesnt seem like it to me

>>96995099
These are the cards that everybody says are staples of the game though. Ash is basically required in any competitive deck at this point. There are cool monsters with classic-style art, but they’re all shit. They’re worthless in a deck.

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>>96995104
Compared to what the adult harpies look like and the fact that her name is Girl vs the rest being Lady. Here's her alt art too.

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>>96989571
Misawa uoohhh'd over pikeru in the anime, and tyranno fell in love with a little girl in gothic lolita clothing actually a possessed doll after she cooked him a meal. DM had that one blonde little girl too, i forget her name. Wanna know who was the last character takahashi personally designed for the anime/manga? Sera, a brown little girl.

The franchise has been "infested with lolis" since the very beginning.

>>96995709
>"Since the beginning"
>Lists off characters from the 2nd series and a character designed around 2016
I'm not saying it hasn't been like that from really early on, but come on dude.

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>>96995734
Point is, the game has always had lolis in it because takahashi likes them, they were one of his major fetishes alongside dark-skinned women and corruption. He probably insisted on shaking the hand of whoever came up with the yokai girls.

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>>96995752
>Ha ha what if there is a little girl monster? A little joke wont hurt
>ok what if TWO little girls? Magical little girls? And they are in a bunch of cards! Ha ha, a little joke won't hurt!
>Ha ha, what if Jaiden had a little girl in his deck? Ha ha- another little prank-
>Mmm OK, but what if Bastion had a crush on the little girl monster? A-As a joke! Ha ha! Ha ha!
>Ha ha ha! What if there was an archetype full of little girls? Petite, small, delicious little girls. Stacked, blonde, smelly little insect girls
Konami honors Takahashi's memory whenever they release a loli monster.

>>96995752
>they were one of his major fetishes alongside dark-skinned women and corruption
....which dark skinned girls? and what corruption? haha just curious

>>96995986
Ishizu and Mana. But mostly Ishizu.

>>96973252
Does this card prevent negative mandatory activations? Like instant fusion end phase effect

>>96996202
No. Instant Fusion's end phase effect is a condition applied to the monster, not an activated effect. It's similar to how Bagooska's SB detach is mandatory, even if its effects are negated.

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>>96995952
If they really want takahashi to smile at them from heaven, they need to release support for THE little brown girl archetype, and it needs to be amazing because they never gave it a coherent playstyle.

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Why do they print cards that are illegal from the start. See bottom left.

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Ancient gear golem fanart:
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/82040789

>>96996881
They are called "anime cards". It's a different kind of nostalgia bait.

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>>96992908
>All Japanese media should have lolis actively fucking

>>96997379
wowzers teach, that sure is a cool monster that i can't wait to handily demolish without breaking a sweat with my weak out elemental heroes waku waku

>genesys but time wizard
I guess it wouldn't work because some stuff that were strong isn't anymore, so it doesn't have points
>genesys but with cards that came out in sealed deck only (chronicles, starters, structures, legendary...)
I guess it wouldn't work because we would have a BDIF soon
>inb4 why are you doing this? genesys is fine
let a man cook shit. it's free

I wish yu-gi-oh would be more popular where i live, going to the card shop to play and hangout with other losers seems kino.

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>>96997522
Hm

does getting turned into a card hurt

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started running Indigo Eyes in BEWD for Advanced and very pleased, anyone think of ways to keep the deck competitive? I only run one Ultimate Spirit Dragon now, which might be loose

>>96998770
One ultimate spirit is all you need though?

Btw post dick, i don't know what you're running. Pure, primite or invoked? Are you running the crimson dragon package?

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>>96998958
I liked Invoked but it loses to Maliss because Mechaba doesn't work against them and it gets cucked by Bystials so I switched

>>96995379
It's become a cutesier game, not just because of universal staples but popular archetypes. Why did they decide to make something as broadly useful as Ash Blossom and the Ghost cards little girls? It sells. They could have been creepy tree monsters or goblins or card-playing dogs but that's not as lucrative. Anime girls are easier mascots.

>loli this loli that
Explain Ash's forehead

>>96998068
>genesys is fine
No one thinks this

>>96999372
NTA but veiler is searchable, so cut that to 1-2.

You don't need neo kaiser, that's why you're running the primite cards in the first place.

You're never using more than 2 spirit with eyes of blue and a single seal, so cut those in favor of more spirit targets (lightstorm and moonlight dragon), you're running 3 of those after all. Everything else looks fine.

>>97002005
good advice but neo kaiser is legit really good, you get a free chain block when you link it off

>>96995752
You do realize people can be interested in things for other reasons than wanting to fuck, right? Or are you too coomer brained for that distinction to exist?

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>>97005379
>yeah bro i like little 2D girls and mind control/corruption but uhh not in like a sexual or creepy way
ok

>>97006164
>I want to create a character that weaonizes innocence
>Gives them a youthful appearance

>I want to make a set of cards based around fairies because mythology is interesting
>Standard portrayal of such are young girls

>I want to make a character go through emotional hell while demonstrating how villainous the antagonist is
>Mind Control/Corruption could add betrayal element...

>>97006564
cope

>>97005379
There are certain ways things are depicted by fetishists versus by those who aren't fetishists. Takahashi's corruption angle very clearly reads fetishistic.

>>97006164
Do you drive past elementary schools and think about how other people want to fuck children? You need help.

>>97006164
>take the worst possible example, being a card series about a girl that just has bad nightmares, which is reflected both in the card's storyline and gameplay mechanics
>no mind control, no corruption
>try to make it sexual

>>97008399
The anti-lolicon saved that image where Nemleria's body under her pajamas is outlined. I think he's feeling guilt about his own desires.

CANON Takahashi special interests
>board games
>roleplaying games
>card games
>Egypt (they invented games)
>goth
>punk

what card pack sim do you use to manage draft?
me and a friend started playing ygo casually with the edopro thing and were just playing random decks on ygoprodeck but quickly realized that the difference in power is drastic and we dont know how to judge the relative power because we are noobs so we thought drafting from old sets would be the best way to ensure our decks are similarly matched. There are so many of these sites, surely one of them has good features for saving/exporting the cards you get.

>>97002279
And he's running it at exactly 1 copy, how exactly is he getting that chain block consistently inb4 i will simply draw it/stack the deck every single time? It's not even searchable with wishes, not that you'd waste the search on him.

It's good in pure builds where you run 2-3 copies since you can link it off to dump maiden, but blue-eyes primite doesn't need it. There are better 1-ofs he could be running, like prosperity, magnamhut/druiswurm or even jet.

>>97009096
Answering your question directly,
>https://www.ygoprog.com/PackOpener
However; most people don't really draft because the game hasn't really been designed with drafting in mind for years, though recently things have been getting a lot more generic in nature so that could change in the future. Given that you guys aren't versed enough with the game to build a cube, you might have more luck running things back in Genesys instead.

https://www.yugioh-card.com/en/genesys/
>No Pendulum/Link Monsters, or Extra Monster Zone
>Uses a Point system in leau of a banlist
>You cannot build your deck in a way where the total amount of points your cards have exceeds the limit, where the default limit is 100

Power imbalances still exist, but you're most likely not going to get such extremes as sizing up a pure Drytron deck against a Mitsurugi Yummy deck.

>>97009197
>hasn't really been designed with drafting in mind for years
yeah it took us a while to understand how archetypes work.You need all the pieces or you might as well not be playing. and most of them were over our heads and we couldn't figure out how to sequence the cards without looking up a guide.
We were going to draft from the early sets and work our way up until the archetypes get too crazy to ignore.
After looking into genesys, it seems only slightly less powerful than the main format which is still far beyond the scope of our understanding.

>>97009435
>You need all the pieces or you might as well not be playing
That's not necessarily true. Some archetypes can work in smaller bundles of cards that can be splashed into other decks. People call that an "engine".

>>97009435
>yeah it took us a while to understand how archetypes work.You need all the pieces or you might as well not be playing.
It's less that you need all of the pieces for them to work, so much as it is that they're designed specifically to work with oneanother out-of-the-box and you need to figure out other packages that synergize with them. You have stuff like Invoked that can work with Shaddoll for instance, or Tenyi and Swordsoul, Spright and Gishki, so on and so forth. As of a few years ago, they also started to generically support specific types of cards, like Equip Spells, Flip Monsters, Continuous Trap Monsters, and a few others that use archetypes to do a bit more legwork for them.

>We were going to draft from the early sets and work our way up until the archetypes get too crazy to ignore.
That's called a Progression series and the website that I linked you is specifically designed for that. Even comes with a deckbuilder, and if you register on their website, a digital binder that you can save all your pulls in.

>After looking into genesys, it seems only slightly less powerful than the main format which is still far beyond the scope of our understanding.
That's true, but the point system does a lot to tame the game since you can't just cram 5 engines into one deck and have it work. A lot of those engines get hit with point allocations. Knocks the game back by about 5 or 6 years, give or take, without stopping you from running current stuff.

>>97009197
>Power imbalances still exist, but you're most likely not going to get such extremes
Hard disagree. Genesys feels way more unbalanced than the standard format. There are so many less going 2nd tools available it seems impossible to break a board unless the opponent bricks.

>>97010476
Maybe try leaning harder into your engine and packing in more redundancy over more interruption. Not every deck can do that of course so that just depends on what you're running. One thing I see is a lot of people trying to pack in 3ofs for their interruption, but even if their decks have points to spare for that, they end up bricking on non-engine more often than not.

I run Witchcrafter with a handful of cards to perform Fusion Summons (Cartesia, Faimena) with additional cards that have polymerization-like effects (Magicalized Fusion, Swamp King+Polymerization). I don't particularly have a lot of trouble breaking through boards going second, as long as I don't draw my garnets and at least one witch. That's my anecdotal take I guess.

>>97010652
Maybe people could if basic shit like archtypical e-teles weren't 6x the price of most handtraps.

>>97011145
What archetypal e-teles are you running that are worth 6x the price of most handtraps?

>>97009096
ygoprodeck. Make an account and you can save drafted cards to a "collection" for later. IIRC you can only have 10 collections on a free account, but I also think they're unlimited size. It was something funky that didn't really matter if you're only making one big collection though. It might have changed, so take that statement with a grain of salt though.
I'd recommend opening more than 1 box once you get to about 2007 or 2009 which is when sets started to be more archetype focused and by 2013(?) it's near entirely archetype focused but you can still do N box limit if you want the challenge. This is if you're looking to build new decks each opening rather than a "progression series" style of drafting.

>>97011172
NTA
OG E-tele is 35 and Emergency! (R ace e tele) is 33, Im not as familiar with other archetypes' so this list isn't exhaustive. If you consider that the average point values for most of the staple handtraps is about 5pts (if you consider something like ash an outliar among droll, nib, ghost morner, all 3 mulcharmies, etc), then they're right that these E-teles are 6x the cost.

Speaking as a psychic synchroslop - myutant player. E-tele is basically your only consistency card and you're "forced" to run it as a part of your engine.

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This is my all time favorite card.

Why does this thing have 0 atk?

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>>97015448
>Why does this thing have 0 atk?
woops forgot pic

I'm not asking about game balance, i'm just saying it looks weird from a flavor pov that this guy has zero attk

Do not fall for it

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>>97015448
>>97015454
The tokens are created by grinder golem:
https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Grinder_Golem

If I hadn't seen the token art I would have assumed the 2 tokens represent the 2 chains attached to the golem or something.

>>97015483
God i love this card, literally infinite material to do whatever the fuck you want, as long as the monsters you summon don't need archetypal cards.

>>97015483
>the best inferno tempest enabler will never be legal again
a true tragedy

>>97015569
0 points in genesys format

>>97015630
was surprised but then i remembered links don't exist. i'm gonna go punch a ticket to genesys worlds with necroface inferno tempest mill, just you wait

>>97017878
Just do regular mill instead. Tranny Rollback is only 7 points and Grass is 50 if you're really feeling spicy.

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Feeling nostalgic for yugioh and want to make decks out of favorite pet cards. Haven't played in years and the last deck I made was a Yubel deck while going up hill trying to compete with modern link decks. How the fuck do I make pic rel work in a deck at all? It's not going to be anywhere competative but I am curious from a casual perspective how it is possible to make him work. Failing that are there formats where he could possibly work in to begin with? I have never really played outside standard TCG but I have always liked the idea of playing in a very old school format where you're expected to run slow decks.

>>97018681
You don't. Obviously the card is bad now, but it's pretty much always been dogwater since it's tied to The Allegedly Great Dezard. No older formats support him, and the best you can really do in the current format or Genesys is put them in a Morganite deck so that you can Normal Summon Dezard without tribute.

GOAT and Reaper formats exist if you want to play the game in a moderately-simplified state though. Problem with GOAT is that the format is highly optimized, so your odds of making a Richie deck work there are basically non-existent (they can just Special Summon Black Luster Soldier and punk the guy)

>>97018681
>>97018722
Oh, tangentially related; Yubel actually did get a lot of really good support (relatively-)recently. The pure archetype focuses on crapping out "Yubel" monsters (including the OGs of course) while the optimized version uses Unchained and/or Fiendsmith as a backbone for setup (Fiend Link).

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>>97018722
>>97018729
Thanks anon. I will definitely check out the new Yubel support as I really enjoyed my old deck. I suppose with Richie the best I could do is try to focus on A Wild Monster Appears! as a summoning condition for him and build a search engine for it while hope I have a way to counter any potential negation thrown my way. It's jank but again I would like to try and make an excuse to play him somehow.

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>>97018805
Consider just playing this guy instead. His deck is super mid nowadays, but at least he was printed this decade.

>>97018856
Nah fuck that, this guy's deck is stunshit.

>>97021972
Most of the stun options have been limited or banned, so ultimately it boils down to Control/Beatdown rather than Stun.

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>>97018856
>Consider just playing this guy instead. His deck is super mid nowadays, but at least he was printed this decade
Yeah he seem pretty cool. I remember when the deck first made waves and I was half-tempted to look into making it, but I prefer Richie boy more. The fact his effect plays around flip summoning as a boss monster seems really neat and unique in terms of gameplay.

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Rush is for literal children, and yet they get cards like THIS, while us TCGsisters get treated like dumb fucking cattle and get nothing but censored shit. And yes, this is indeed the exact same character.

>>97022542
Because left is the art used in Yu-Gi-Oh R when the card was summoned that can be seen with barely a few seconds of googling and looking at the yugipedia page for the OG Manga version, while right is a new card entirely.

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>>97022542
>we poor TCG players are the most oppressed people in the world! look at how they censor our cards!
>*posts uncensored OCG card artwork*

>>97022542
I hope we get a elf archetype

>>97022833
Kek TCG elf is gonna have no skin showing

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>>97022846
They literally just printed one last month.

>>97012451
I'd need to see other examples because I can't think of too many archetypal E-Teles that are on the list unless they're archetypal E-Teles + a bunch of other crazy effects, or just happened to be the decks that the internal playtesters over-estimated.

Original E-Tele being high in points makes sense. Though I'd personally cap it at 20, tops, instead of 33. They're insane for thinking that E-Tele is worth more than Pot of Greed.

>>97024066
Have you even looked at the points list bro? Nearly every single card at 33 either searches a card or special summons something from deck.

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This is doubly /tg/-related, my tabletop group is doing a D&D game based on Yu-gi-oh lore (specifically, the Golden Lands) and I immediately knew I had to make my own OjamOC trio, using a funny Artificer build that gets both Find Familiar and the Homunculus infusion so the other two Ojamas have a physical presence on the board (but if they aren't present for whatever reason they're "Polymerized" into his getup).

>>97024514
I didn't see any archetypal E-Teles. I saw a lot of archetypal ROTAs that generate a lot more advantage than their individual searches. You could make an argument that they should be a little lower and that handtraps should be a little higher, but that has nothing to do with the original point that I was making in that you should be leaning more into engine and looking for ways to bake redundancy into your builds.

And I do not mean *consistency*, I mean *redundancy*. Putting in more cards that achieve the same, or a similar end so that you can keep your plays in motion when you get interrupted.

>>97024730
Sorry,
>I didn't see any
*Many

>>97024681
That is the stupidest and gayest shit I've ever seen. You've tapped into the Ojama grindset quite well. I'm proud of you, anon.

>>97024730
Depends on how strict your definition of E-tele is. Just going down the list
Ancient Gear Statue
Big Welcome Labrynth
Diviner of the Herald
EMERGENCY!
Floowandereeze and the Magnificent Map
Foolish Burial

I can't be assed to list every card but those are the ones from A-F that effectively Special Summon from deck or normal summon in the case of Floo.

Why does pot of greed only cost 30 points in genesys?

>>97024681
>D&D game based on Yu-gi-oh lore (specifically, the Golden Lands)
Could you tell us more about that? what's the lore there

and how do you port ygo stuff to d&d?

>>97024875
Because it isn't actually that good nowadays. Its banned in the main format because every deck would run it. But if you're forced to choose between it or a card that actually does something you'd choose the later every time.

>>97024961
Yeah, I'd imagine that if you were going to spend points on a generic draw card you'd probably rather go for Graceful Charity since it lets you dig a bit deeper and pitch shit to the grave, which is more often a boon than a bane.

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>>97023978
You posting that alerted me to the existence of this card, which is cool to see. Very gimmicky cards like this are cute to see, even if you'll likely never see them used much at all.

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>>97024878
nta, but the golden lands are >>97018856 lore I believe. Basically not-Aztecs made a philosopher's stone that turned everything into golden zombies.

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Whats the point of this card?

>>97024681
Idk if this is relevant to you, but the yugipedia wiki has translated lore from some of the yugioh master guide books.
For instance, here's the (fan translated) lore of pot of greed:
https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Master_Guide_2_card_storylines#File_No._10:_A_Magical_Pot_with_Many_Uses

>This mysterious pot often explodes
>It's said that if you put your hand into the pot, you can take out "something" that will bring you happiness. However, the Pot explodes right after you take your hand out of it, making it a terribly dangerous object.

>>97021972
Just play one of the based variations instead, like Regenesis or Synchro

>>97022542
will we ever see english rush?

>>97025015
No

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Would you take a sip?
How does it taste?

>>97024772
What do you mean "how strict?" When you're describing a E-Tele, you are describing a card that is functionally identical to Emergency Teleport.

>>97024996
Loading graveyard for special summons

>>96960810
Way back I used to run a funny anti-meta deck that revolved around forcing enemies to ram into a beefy defense position monster with All-Out Attacks or Battle Mania, many opponents didn't have a defense from their own attacks and getting an Ojama Trio on their board and making it ram into a Stone Statue of the Aztecs was an almighty 12000 damage combo.

>>97024996
>Boring answer
Sometimes Konami will print bad cards as a joke

>How-can-I-make-this-work answer
Some decks like it when you discard and/or send cards to the GY by card effect. Dark World would probably be a valid example for this card's time. If you're feeling frisky, you could use Mystical Refpanel to impose that on your opponent instead, but that isn't very good since you'd basically just be setting up their GY for free.

>>97015483
>card exists for years
>no one cares
>Link rules drop
>instantly skyrockets in price
>gets banned forever shortly after
Grinder Golem did nothing wrong.

>>97025031
>would you take a sip
Fuck no
>how does it taste
Like my effects are negated and my attack is halved.

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Say something nice about my wife.

>>97025482
>Sometimes Konami will print bad cards as a joke
any other examples?

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>>97028848
maybe this?

>>97028899
i posted that earlier in the thread

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>>97028848
You already posted Pot of Generosity and Cold Feet which are the two big ones. A common thread among them is either that they'll win your opponent the duel, or they'd be really really good if you had Mystical Refpanel Set before you activate them.

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some times I would wish slyfer was not his name

>>97029515
It's not.

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Have the feeling that the Darklors archetype may be full of sinners

>>97008704
was that outlined by some random guy?

what's the deal with blue eyes regenesis, is this shit any good? i'm running 41 cards with primite engine but going higher and adding regenesis crap might be okay

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I might need to work on my deck construction...

>>97029721
Regenesis just happens to work with Blue-Eyes White Dragon specifically because it has a Regenesis-friendly stat of 2500 DEF. You'd be better off building something more dedicated to a Regenesis gameplan instead of cramming them into a BEWD deck, like Kashtira Regenesis or Dogmatika Regenesis.

>>97029797
is this bad?

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>>97025031
sure!

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>>97025031
I hope this rancid bitch gets put in her place. Nothing in Forbidden Crown's card artwork imply that Lucifer was defeated and he was also the closest angel to God before his fall. Lucifer tapping into his latent angelic powers and smiting her for her defiance of both Heaven and Hell would be the most cathartic thing in the world.

>>97030359
link monsters must be slain

>>97030359
is she in front of him? the armor horn is broken, so maybe he was hit by somthing and the greedy girl is going for it.

time will tell if she will rule everything, or pay for her sins

>>97030359
>>97030928
this is how she will get the crown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPTsFLaYS3s

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>>97030359
>Lucifer tapping into his latent angelic powers and smiting her for her defiance of both Heaven and Hell would be the most cathartic thing in the world.
That would be kino of the highest order, so of course it won't happen. You VILL enjoy a true omni negate retrain/powercreep of solemn judgment, depicting girlboss condemned darklord finally taking over the sanctuary in the sky.

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>>97031237
I like your ixchel, i will mind control her

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>>97030359
Maybe she put the crown on Lucifer, and he will make him go berserk and crazy?

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>>97031976

>>97030359
You instead will have a completely unrelated and unexpected third party come by and strike her down

>>97032029
Who should it be...
Ojamas?

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>>97032033
Obviously.

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>>97014861
You're just a baby...

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>>97014861
Cool humanoids with big swords will always be good

>>97032129
Is this a fixed proxy or they released a non censored version?

>>97033224
They released an uncensored version intially in the TCG as a limited edition.

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>>97032029
>>97032041
ENTER

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>Verre in maid outfit
yes
YES

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So just how competitive will the 5ds decks be? Assuming I buy 3x, of course.

>>97034635
So far none of them are expected to break into the metagame from the last few months of community testing. So not Tier 1 or 2.
Yusei.dek still has mechanical issues with feast or famine play as there's slack of cohesion of archetypes. HOWEVER, with the recently revealled Junk cards this is subject to possibly change because they're expected to be strong starters.
Akiza.dek and it's core set support are still disjointed. They're fine cards but lack cohesion between the rose dragons and plants.
Blackwings are unchanged and nothing new, so nothing is going to change about it's placement. That said it's not a bad deck and can set up some ok endboard cards and has sensible modern design with it being an actually unified archetype unlike the other 2.

I would expect to be able to do well at locals with blackwing and maybe post newer support junk/stardust. But probably not make it at the regional or higher level. The decks are more geared towards a casual setting as they don't really do anything "unfair" enough to break into the meta but will be able to hold their own against anything modern.

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>>97032129
>>97033224
>>97033238
Why did they censor the eye of all things?

is there a way to make other (spell) cards into fast effects so you can play them on other turns?

>>97036514
No. I think there was one archetype that had it as a gimmick but it's something they really don't want you doing.

>>97034383
>Endymion card
yes
YES!

>>97036514
The only safe way to do that would be by making it so that a specific archetype could copy the effects of their archetypal spell cards on quick effect speed. Think what Witchcrafter Genni does, but as a Quick Effect.

>>97034383
It's an alright 1of for Witchcrafter since in Advanced you can summon it either off of the effects of Lacrima of Light (duped off of Genni unless you get handtrapped) or with VM's summon. Through that you can get Patronus access on your first turn and then link her off into Selene so that you get an arbitrary VM trigger on the following turns while also being able to revive your witches. Which is to say that she's basically just a more convenient way to access Patronus, which is fine.

It's kind of funny that K9 cards let you summon during either player's turn if your opponent has the nerve to play the game, meanwhile Maid Verre can only summon herself during MP2 and also relies on the idea that you didn't brick on Spells.

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are there any quick effect boardwipes other than this guy:
https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Nibiru,_the_Primal_Being

>>97037125
As a handtrap, no.
As a monster you have to summon out first, yes and there's plenty of them.
Jurracs' entire gimmick is nuking the board as a QE with meteor as a non-OPT, cursed thunder god, ZEUS, bramble rose + BRD, exciton knight are a few off the top of my head.

>>97037298
what about Quick-Play Spell Card or set traps?

>>97037317
I can't think of any quick play spells that would do it. But there's a couple trap cards, but they usually have condition of some sort on them. Some I list may not seem like it but in practice they are basically boardwipes.
Torrential tribute, evenly matched, that's 10 +/- you're finished, ferret flames, needle ceiling, witches strike, daruma karma cannon, linear equation cannon, giant trap hole.
Again these are just some off the top of my head. Most of these are too gimmicky or require you to be on a specific deck to get off besides the first two.