Lightly Roasted Edition>What is Trench Crusade?An alternate weird history 28mm/32mm tabletop skirmish game still in a pre-release playtesting phase but with the full release slated for this year. Based on the art and lore of Mike Franchina, whose illustrations you may have seen floating around on /tg/ for a several years now, and designed by Tuomas Pirinen, one of the original creators of Mordheim. It's grimdark, it's visceral, it's awesome, and it's very Blanchitsu.>What Trench Crusade is notTC not an excuse for you to discuss IRL religion, history that didn't occur in the game, culture war shit, or discord bullshit on /tg/. Keep it on topic.>What's the QRD on the background?The Knights Templar turned heretic and opened the Gates of Hell when they took Jerusalem during the First Crusade. Over 800 years later the war is still ongoing as technology has developed to a pseudo diesel-punk WW1 standard and a third of Humanity has sided with the Infernal Princes.>How do I get started?All the files are free online:https://www.trenchcrusade.com/rules/They used to be split between the website and the discord, but no more. For posterity's sake, the old mega will still be kept active even if it's unlikely to need updating: https://mega.nz/folder/70QH0BBa#Eg-blxYQKkY_C02wErnFTQ>third party sources for making trenchers:https://pastebin.com/YzXPVUAc>Trench Compendiumhttps://trench-companion.com/>Thread QuestionNo TQ this time, post your models if you have any!
I have a few mastiffs from another project, what could I use them as in a Heretic Legion warband? Wretched? Melee troopers?
I'm between Heretic Legion, New Antioch, and House of Wisdom Iron Sultanate to get started. What's the best one to start with?
>>97002179HL is likely the easiest to start playing.it's not a very complex list with fairly powerful profiles. it has a range of different play styles and preferences.
>>97002179Legion’s probably the most flexible, followed by Antioch. IS requires playstyle tweaking to work best depending on your opponent.Really though, you can’t go wrong picking just for aesthetics the learning how your faction plays as you go along.What made you choose those three factions, apart from aesthetics? If you tell us we can maybe steer you towards an optimal choice.
Trench-Companion anon here, update for 1.0 got pushed, got a few bugs to sort out but that should be resolved by the end of the week.
>>97002399You’re doing gods work anon. I used the companion to introduce three new people to TC intro games the week before 1.0 dropped. Thanks for your hard work.
>>97002399God (or Satan) bless you, my good man
>conversion fodder for Troopers arriving this week>Anointed arriving this week>Yoke Fiends arriving this week>Wretched arriving next weekIt’s a good time to be damned.
>>97002438Really awesome to hear that,I wont pretend the money isn't nice - but i started this as a fan to get people into things so good to see its doing its job.
Is this Toumas son who trooned out?
>>97003241Yes.
>>97003241Honestly, one of the better looking trannies. 90% of them don't even look remotely like women and instead look like the man on the right, 5 o'clock shadow and all.
>>97003241>>97003267>>97003283This is fake. That is just some random girl in Pirinen office. Stop falling for right wing propaganda.
>>97003310have they said anything about when theyre doing other factions?
>>97003241>She took off her shoes>She's bending her knees>he still needs the lifts to get a few inches above her>/trench/fags don't recognise savage orks anon
>>97003298>random girl in Pirinen officeObviously. I just thought it was funny to say yes.>>97003439>She took off her shoesYou'd think they'd at least have cropped it at the knees. Guess some people have no fear.
>>97003298Nope she’s some annoying YouTuberI’d say she’s a titty tuber but, well…
>>97003241>>97003298That's Louise aka Rogue Hobbies, former Games Workshop presenter/painter and current youtuber. She's probably a better painter/hobbyist than most of the people on this board, despite her crooked face. There used to be some elf cosplay pictures online that showed her nips, unfortunately I can't locate them so you get a TC cosplay instead.
>>97003241Being that new that you can't recognize savage ork guy who used to post on /tg/
>there's dozens of Antioch and Heretic Legion proxies>there's a billion Artillery witch stlsBut there's barely any court of seven proxies. Heck I think Black Grail gets more love
I cut off the head of that black woman war prophet and put capirote on it.Lörs?
>>97004043If it's metal it's no longer a capirote, pseud.
>>97004087How does using a game's term when referring to a thing from the game in a thread about the game make someone a "pseud"?Do you just want someone to talk to? You can ask, bro.
>>97004087Hello?Do you want your (You)s or not?
>>97004043Where are the capriotes from?
>>97004275A friend sent me a 40GB folder with tons of official and unoffical .stls and I just found them in there.
>>97003785i usually like my women to be hispanic but louise is a cutie
>>97003785What an ignominious end for a SMLE that was almost certainly fired in anger.As an ex-soldier that used to own a SMLE no.4 mk.1 this photo causes me a small amount of disgust.
>>97001075Im not actually big into trench crusade in general, but I always thought the Observers were really cool. Both conceptually and aestheticly.
>>97008409Dont worry, If you know youre SMLE that is either a mass produced WW2 one bought off a third worlder, or a reproduction. Look at the block, its just solid chunk of metal behind the bolt with no ribbing like the WW1 version, or the lip of the WW2 version, its suppose to be a seperate component not attatched to the bolt action.
Some guy is making a zutt stl lmaoThe discord is already angry about it
>>97009061What is a Zutt? I see the phrase dropped in TC related threads but I am still reading the various fluff bits on the website learning about the game.
>>97009468It’s one autistic fucktard spamming his retarded forced meme, just ignore him.
>>97009778t. Butthurt lil moe moeStay mad
>>97009778t.
>>97009778>ZUTTED
>>97002399Fixed some of the most egrigious bugs, only a couple things left that aren't just me mistyping something in the data (ie. Mercenaries need to be able to promote).
>>97009468passage from a hadith thats very hard not to interprete as a weird sex thing.
>>97002399Hey CompanionAnon, I’m making a New Antioch Papal States warband under 1.0 rules and I can’t seem to allocate the Supreme Pontiff’s Crucifix to anyone- keeps saying ‘this option can not be selected’. Am I doing something wrong? Have tried to assign to the lector, a yeoman and a mercenary, all have the same outcome.
>>97010119Breach of global rule 6. Fuck off.
>>97010734U mad?
>>97010485No wait- just found it, go into ‘strongbox’ and ‘assign to unit’. Makes sense.
>>97011411Yep, you get a free one when creating a warband, so its already in your stash - I can see why there'd be confusion though.
>>97011577Just used the export function, super fucking awesome!## Missione Di Signore Vincenzo ## Faction: Papal States Intervention ForceRating: 476 Ducats | 13 GloryPatron: None ## Elites ## Signore Vincenzo - Lector• Cost: 130 Ducats | 3 Glory• Equipment: Automatic Pistol, Combat Helmet, Gas Mask, Supreme Pontiff ’s Crucifix, Incendiary Grenades, Standard Armour, Trench Shield ## Troops ## Claudio - Yeoman• Cost: 79 Ducats | 0 Glory• Upgrades & Choices: Swiss Guard• Battlekit: Semi-Automatic Rifle, Bayonet, Combat Helmet, Gas Mask, Frag Grenades, Standard Armour Lucio - Yeoman• Cost: 79 Ducats | 0 Glory• Upgrades & Choices: Swiss Guard• Battlekit: Semi-Automatic Rifle, Bayonet, Combat Helmet, Gas Mask, Frag Grenades, Standard Armour Furio - Shocktrooper• Cost: 94 Ducats | 0 Glory• Upgrades & Choices: Swiss Guard• Battlekit: Trench Polearm, Combat Helmet, Gas Mask, Frag Grenades, Standard Armour, Trench Shield Nero - Shocktrooper• Cost: 94 Ducats | 0 Glory• Upgrades & Choices: Swiss Guard• Battlekit: Trench Polearm, Combat Helmet, Gas Mask, Frag Grenades, Standard Armour, Trench Shield ## Mercenaries ## Mendelist Ammo Monk• Cost: 0 Ducats | 2 Glory• Battlekit: Gas Mask Communicant Anti-Tank Hunter• Cost: 0 Ducats | 5 Glory• Battlekit: Anti-Material Rifle, Trench Club, Trench Club, Combat Helmet Observer• Cost: 0 Ducats | 3 Glory• Battlekit: Trench Polearm, Combat Helmet, Gas Mask, Medi-Kit, Standard Armour ## Stash ## Stashed Ducats: 24Unspent Glory: 1 ## Fireteams ## New Antioch Fireteam• Claudio• FurioNew Antioch Fireteam• Lucio• Nero
>>97011577Looks like ‘copied’ units (troops in this case) don’t show up in the ‘Fielded’summary anon
>>97011812Also, automatic rifle is missing ‘Automatic 2’ keyword.
>>97011833cool, thanks for the heads up
So America was never colonized in this world right?
>>97003785>forgets to add they got their start posting in /wip/
>>97013562We don’t know yet. Looks like it’s the case, and it caused some drama on the official forums when people who wanted Aztecs etc had a schism about whether they could be on the side of ‘good’ without having been exposed to Christianity.
>>97010734I won’t. Cry about it.
>>97014609The lore wont touch them or asia. Way too many problems to try and reconcile
>>97014609>human sacrifice rituals where priests eat flesh and wear the skins of the sacrificed>central god is a serpent>ancillary goddess is a monster that eats human carcasses and fecesYeah I think they’re on Team Satan
>>97015058They've already given few lines about Asia. India has problem with path of the beast, and Ekron has a buddhist pagoda that was stolen from Asia.Nothing in depth though, not yet.
>>97015105How can they include hinduism? The opening of the gates of hell implies the abrahamic god and world is the real one, wouldnt it invalidate hinduism as pagan superstition?
>>97015140Gods work in mysterious ways. They don't need to explain shit.Also they could do more gnostic thomistic christians of India as a variant. Not to mention Indian sufism muslims.
>>97003785Reminder that the Faggot Wargamer Rob PHLATs this every night
>>97010734Lmao, this isn't reddit.
>>97015140>>97015197Re non-Semitic religions, I suspect that in the long run each culture will have its own ‘heaven and hell’ or ‘good and bad’ faction/s in the game. After all religions can’t be copyrighted. And think of the market in places like India and China. Even westerners might be interested in a Wukong or Lord Ram themed warband.
>>97015140>The opening of the gates of hell implies the abrahamic god and world is the real oneWell no, most of the actual mechanisms of the afterlife are still unknown other than that hell exists and you can be sent there. Also someone being correct about something the believed doesn't mean everything they believed was correct. Also evil creatures>>97015140 from the underworld that punish people isn't solely an abrhamic thing.
>>97014609They could make the Mayans and other tribes be the good guys but Aztecs should be 100% evil imo
>>97015140Pagan gods were often attributed to be demons(if they didn't become saints due to syncretism)I think there is plenty potential in them.Worshipping other gods is one of the biggest sins after all.
>>97015862>from the underworld that punish people isn't solely an abrhamic thing.it's not just that hell exists, it's that the biblical demons exist and they recognize the existence of THE LORD. If you accept the premise that god and the devil are real it makes it hard to accept polytheism because god has to share a space (earth) with other gods and the devils have to share a resource (souls) with other demons (and maybe land.)what people seem to forget is the text isn't written from an in universe perspective, it's not the Church order of saint Peepingitos Toumas who used of his divine telescope and gazed past the gate into hell. it's tinged with the the factions perspectives it can't be a mortal writer. Until they explicitly layout the rules and explain, "well actually it's all hells and the demons only show up/take the form of as demons that the area would recognize." it's the safest, most reasonable explanation. this is of course buggered by Beelzebub's Ekron and the fact that he's hording religious sites from asia there. the black grail literally marched to Asia to collect trophies and return them to this city.Pagan hells just don't make sense with how the universe has been revealed you'd have to do some MONDO re-conning or some really inspired jury rigging to make it work.
>>97013562>1.0.0 rules pg141>A great many animals serve in the trenches alongside the soldiers. Wardogs are by far the most common, but tame ocelots, barbary apes, small bears, and other unusual pets aboundIt's at least been discovered, if nothing else, considering ocelots are from central/south America.
>>97013562We know theres contact and trade - we have tobacco and all that, as well as mention of england having overseas territories which were cut off somewhat recently.
>>97016327Well it’s a matter of historical record that Norse peoples reached North America at least a hundred years before the Crusades first kicked off.
>>97015140Current TC 'official church doctrine' is already pretty syncretic, especially since Islam and Judaism are still running around doing their shit (and the church has had to make it so people can tolerate muslims also on the front lines)
>>97016404The enemy of my enemy and all that…
>>97017222To be fair, if I was a peasant and heard that the muslims had a giant magical iron wall, I'd probably ask my pastor some questions. Not hard to imagine there were a bunch of councils to decide how they can act chill with other faiths doing crazy magic shit.
>>97002399You did great.
>>97016404Thats not the point i was trying to make. The game presents the religious world of the old testament monotheistic faith of the near east being true, the 3 abrahamic faiths have no problems with that, regardless of how they look at each other they all agree there is one god, god sends prophets, angels and the like. They may disagree on things like who jesus was but the major points are largely in line. The problem is trying to fit hinduism or new world faiths in a system that supposes the religious traditions that grew from near eastern monotheism are "real" as the lore presents. They either need to add more mythical/spiritual beings from those traditions or just admit that the one god worldview of the abrahamic faiths is the only "real" one and all the other god(s) are delusions or demons/angels of the abrahamic faiths in disguise. I dont think they would go down that road
Is it even worth putting gasmasks and helmets on units that infiltrate? Seems theyll be within range and not typically grouped so it seems like grenades wouldnt be much use on them?
>>97018134I mean, the pagans up north (see haakapelita blurb) see their devils as proof of their pagan gods/cosmology. Not too far to just say that the Hindoos or their equivalent are just demon-touched human societies. You've already got a huge slew of barbaric practices ocer there to pull from.
>>97008698/k/ommando here, and also not the guy you're responding to. SMLE's were sometimes made with "slab side" cocking pieces. It's difficult to tell the features of it from the photo but that alone isn't really evidence that it's a non firing repro.
>>97002399Just a heads up, theres a mistake on the Iron Capirote, its suppose to negate fear and shrapnel, in the app it only negates shrapnel. Other than that good job.
>>97018134>The game presents the religious world of the old testament monotheistic faith of the near east being trueThat doesn’t preclude other religions also being ‘true’ though. There were pagan gods long before Semitic monotheism arose, it would be easy enough to explain that the ‘one true god’ aspect of Semitic monotheism was not exactly true.Remember that before it emerged, Gods were frequently portrayed as drawing power from their followers as much as it was wielded over them.
>>97018134mostly, I just think there isn't a super satisfying answer for other religions that doesnt end up merking some of what makes TC unique when it comes to fantasy - which is being pretty set in weird abrahamic history/lore.I reckon, if they do expand to the east, they'll focus on the weird sects of islam/judaism/christianity that cropped up there in history.
Ditchjihad is a woke rugpull with hilariously bad plastic minisThere i said it
>>97023016At least the art is inspired.
>>97023025Bitch got that SNAP EBT section 8 WIC stare
>>97020780>what makes TC unique when it comes to fantasyTC *used* to have something unique, but now it's pretty much the same old slop that's getting pumped out every day. Look at how the developers have handled the lore, man. We're going to get "Hinduism and Confucians are real too, actually" while ignoring any of the unique shit that happened in either place like Hong Xiuquan.
>>97017468>I'd probably ask my pastor some questions.I SAY, I SAY BOY, THEY COMMUNE WITH MONSTERS WITH BULL HEADS, THEY CAVORT WITH WORLDLY APPARITIONS. THEY BREED MONSTERS AND COVER THEMSELVES IN GOLD AND HORNS LIKE THE WORSHIPERS OF MAMMON, DO YOU THINK THEIR EVIL CRIMES AGAINST CREATION ARE ANY DIFFERENT TO THE OTHER WORSHIPPERS OF THE FALLEN ANGELS? HAVE YOU NOT HEARD AND SEEN THE FOUL MISDEEDS THEY WROUGHT UPON ZION WHICH FOR OUR SINS IS LOST?THESE MEN WORSHIP A FALSE PROPHET, A DEVIL IN DISGUISE, ASK YOURSELF WHY THEY REMAIN SO WELL KEPT WHILE MEN OF FAITH, THE BRAVE CHRISTENDOM SUFFERS. IT IS US PUT TO THE TEST FOR MAN SON, IT IS US, IT IS US WHO MUST SHEPPARD MAN IN THE NAME OF THE LORD, BEND THEY KNEE AND PRAY FOR YOUR INSOLENCE.seriously it's not too hard to explain in context of the universe as evil, it's harder to explain why you might align.pretty sure they go slaving too like turkish normally do, easy to sell that it's fucked. to a peasant when your esteemed allies with the bull monsters come in and collect you to be slaves and drag you back to their molten iron wall. (btw baphomet is cannon and you subscribe to the belief that baphomet is a corruption of the false prophet's name that's very fucking funny)
>>97023025>the fact that they have paul bonner of RT-2e ork art and warzone fame is a fucking travesty.it's weird, it's like having adrian smith and not doing anything with him or worse, it begs the question the fuck are you doing with mike franchina?
>>97003241Ugh. Those two men have the sloping brow and cranial bumpage of career criminals
>>97010734Eat shit and die faggot
>>97010734>Breach of global rule 6. Fuck off.>mfw Mohammedans can't take what they dish out
>>97023016>Trying super hard to force his ‘rugpull’ and ‘ditchjihad’ memes in every single trench crusade thread for weeksI admire your perseverance although literally nothing else about you.Inb4 LOL I TROLL U U MAD
>>97023666Stay mad. Enjoy your rugpull lmao
>>97023066> That thousand yard stare when you face a month without your government gibs
>>97023025Bitch look like she about to get thrown out of Walmart for fighting
>>97023692To be fair, the world of Trench Crusade is one in which a high level of Christian faith, an unshakable belief in one’s righteousness and a willingness to engage in violence at the drop of a hat are not exactly drawbacks.
>>97023678What exactly is it about Trench Crusade that has your loins frothing anyway, anon? It’s weird. Obviously you don’t support the project or have any investment into the game, which by definition makes your constant shitposting ‘trolling outside /b/‘. Would you care to actually explain why it is that it’s got you so hot and bothered, instead of just repetitively screeching the same moronic points and forced memes?
>>97023741Stop coping and go back to redd1t
Are there going to be plastic models before 2028 or should I expect anglo work ethics and expect something in 2029?
>>97023821I’d say it depends heavily on how well the stosstruppen box sells. I’d expect at least two more boxes in the next 12 months, but as the final part of the kickstarter (books) is about to go to fulfilment they may find themselves with nothing to do early next year but complete the Carcass Front expansion and plan plastics.Best guess is that next boxes will be Heretic naval raiders or trench ghosts, but myminifactory has some pretty nice sculpts for both these factions, so they had better knock it out of the park.
>>97023131>We're going to get "Hinduism and Confucians are real too, actually"If that happens, I'll be mad, but it hasn't, so why be mad.
>>97024044I hope TC pull the Hinduism on Hindiuism and just reveal all religions other religions are just flavors of the Abrahamic faith that got changed down the grapevine
>>97024044If there’s one thing that’s constant in TC threads on tee gee, it’s people being mad over nothingburgers.
>>97024044Because little piss babies want to cry and piss themselves at every opportunity
Friendgroup finished our first campaign recently. I was Prussians. Should I stick with NA for the next campaign or branch out?
>>97024269Best way to figure out a faction’s weaknesses is to play as that faction, so you should jump to something radically different, like Black Grail.
Do you think there were any serious attempts at a Protestant reformation or were they all instantly killed?
>>97026080>they werent lying, you actually do have to pay indulgences to let your soul enter heaven and the Pope IS the voice of god. Also priests are the only ones who get to read the bible because only they can interprit it, laymen will interprit it wrong and use it for sinI mean, in this setting they havent got a lot to work with because its all real. You cant say the pope is the antichrist when he can shoot light from his eyes and point across the water at an actual devil waving from across the ocean.
>>97023715I don't really see the problem with the latter two traits. But that's just me.
>>97013562>>97016393I think it would be cool if there were like armed witchunting pilgrims or something.If America is colonized enough there could be a form of Mormons too but that would open a whole other can of worms.
>>97002235Sorry, long week and forgot this thread. HL has me interested due to having units that do cool things that feel kinda magical: priest puppeteering dudes, Artillery witch dropping big magic bombs, chorister and commando being spooky magic guys. I like having a team with, well, not necessarily gimmicks, but like neat tricks to pull out beyond just normal shooting/fighting. That's also why House of Wisdom specifically appeals to me with double alchemist. NA is the least of these and I might just like them for aesthetics, though the priest with prayer choices is a bit of this and I like the idea of fire teams making the standard shooting more reliant on communication.Also all three teams have heavy units I like, with War Wolf being probably my favorite but MHI looking cool too and the Lion being one of my favorite models in the game
>>97023220lol one of them was actually born a woman though lolAh but you can always tell
Anyone have the link to the shit that went down at that game show in sydney? The discord banned the links
>>97026097>>they werent lying, you actually do have to pay indulgences to let your soul enter heaven and the Pope IS the voice of god. Also priests are the only ones who get to read the bible because only they can interprit it, laymen will interprit it wrong and use it for sin>I mean, in this setting they havent got a lot to work with because its all real. Threadly reminder that nothing about Christian doctrine besides the existence of hel|, demons, and a godhas actually been proven in setting. There has never been any lore that shows anybody goes to heaven.
>>97028312How would you even show that short of doing what hell is doing where they just send forth minions and corruptions from hell anyway and actually start having angels show up and have fights on the clouds.If hell is real and the damned end up there and everything else is true, why isnt heaven. At the very least there seems to be "another side" that isnt hell and it communicates with the pious and not the sinners.
>>97028743>If hell is real and the damned end up there and everything else is true, why isnt heaven. At the very least there seems to be "another side" that isnt hell and it communicates with the pious and not the sinners.The point is that we know nothing about it anon not that we know that it doesn't exist. You're making an assumption that because something is half right so far, than the other half must be right too. Given that we know things like the fact that demons can supposedly send you to hell no matter what using certain magics and weapons regardless of how devout or pious you are, it stands to reason that hell and heaven don't quite work the way traditional christianity believes it to.
>>97028743Heaven might be real but I'm with that other anon in that it's not confirmed that the Christian doctrine is "true".
>>97028800Sure its not an absoloute, but you can safely assume that heaven is real in this, a gap in information or knowledge is not the dismisal of it. Maybe you have your answer for why people join hells factions, they have no proof of heaven and that they will go there, but they definately have proof of hell and want to serve a master in a place that is tangible and "true".>>97028817Yes, but I see no reason to assume it isnt otherwise.
>watching TC games on YT channel ‘miniature game montage’>Narrator keeps pronouncing ‘Be-el-ze-bub’ as ‘Beezle-bub’STOP THIS SHIT
>>97027790If you like Special Stuff then yeah I can understand not being all for NA, although the variants can get a bit more specialised.I enjoy House of Wisdom myself, the Homunculus is unlike any other unit in the game. Both the HoW and the Alamut guys have the fun "give special upgrades to your subfaction-theme-units", and Alamut can be very good at duking around enemies with more infiltrator than any other warband, azeb skirmishers, and of course the three assassins with special powers.Can't go wrong with HL though.
>>97029400Its a shame, miniature game montage is one of the best edited/cut-down of that genre which makes it way more watchable than "2-3 hours of umming and ahing"
Is God real?
Does TC have models for the zutts yet
>>97028312>Threadly reminder that nothing about Christian doctrine besides the existence of hel|, demons, and a godhas actually been proven in setting.Fuck anon.when you put it that way, nothing but the underpinning principles of the religion is real, jez i better just throw out all my preconceptions.Seriously though i don't follow this.Or rather this is just an agnosticism debate which is stupid. The Abrahamic religions are correct, period. that's our starting point because god is here and the devil is now.God directly assists man, see the sniper priest, you think they got some extra sonar shit or something? combat drugs? they literally blind themselves and let god guide them. this isn't like communicants where you have reason to believe the meta christ and shit is some sort of messed up human experiment. these are normal dudes who follow god.With this an the various illusions to saints and miracles we know that god has a plan (desecrated saint, stratprophecy, etc) and a plan for Christians (and others) and honestly christian saints are ambiguous if they're really divine but that's because god's generally treated as inscrutable because if he wasn't the grimderp would disappear.While the evidence i don't think is enough to say they are right i think it's equally fine to say it is as it isn't it was written ambiguously for this purpose.there a notable issue i find funny thought, the only really "sign" for islam is the wall and the sandstorm protecting mecca.Nothing jewish has been discussed. honestly i think they likely just straight up mishandled islamwhat am i supposed to take from this?If i squint i could really imagine that the demons aren't even real, i mean church of metamorphosis there's some lovecraft here. maybe they're all alien outerbeings that came from the door and wear the skin of demons to make mortals live in a state of occult suffering. who the fucks knows we're just assuming.
>>97029732no but he hated dogs.
>>97029875so far we havent left the abrahamic lands too much, but I do feel obliged to point out in the fianna lore it is implied they received some form of spiritual guidance from something non-christian
/trench/bros.. what went so wrong?
>>97030046Basing a game on real world religions but being too thin skinned to actually roll with it.
>>97029975I don't know if i think that's fully true.if you mean, reaching the heretic flagship and overcoming it's watchbeast. that could just be human feats. it is suggested to be superhuman by context but is easier to explain than blind snipers.but if it were, then would that suggest the good people?people have argued that they were middle angels, trapped between heaven and hell, fallen but not cast into inferno.Perhaps it was an angel, a saint, Patrick himself came forth and held drive the sergeant's head from Ireland.Did Lugh come forth and deliver them a cloak?the Fianna were to my knowledge not god touched. did Madb show them the way, was it fionn's legendary thumb?Is it as said in the hellportal of the north a demon in the guise of a pagan god tricking the men of ireland to defeat a rival and ruin another. all of these presuppose supernatural involvement, any of these could be true without them being explicitly pagan gods.honestly i don't like the Fianna despite being an Ireaboo. they were roving gangs of young men, but it looks like they're depicting them as beserkers and also i don't like how they're just summoned up despite 6+~ centuries of disuse.
>>97029511I like Tabletop Titans too, but their millennial shrieking distorting their mics at the top end gets old really quickly.
I get the impression the New Syncretic Church and the Iron Sultanate are simply doing different, equally dangerous and ambiguous approaches to their magical stuff.The NSC is willing to use a ton of suffering and high tech to get their supernatural stuff; the sniper priests, for instance, seem suspicious in a setting were suffering softens the laws of creation and faith has power no matter what. The Iron Sultanate, on the other hand, is deeply linked to Solomonic magic, from the old tales of the wall being build with the help of Djinn, to House of Wisdom shenanigans and Alamut having the ring of Solomon.
Someone in a different thread trying to stir shit posted a screenshot from the TC guys giving a talk that seemed to be about what they've "learned" given the pushback they received some certain people. I am interested in hearing this talk if it's available, that sort of experience and what people take away is quite useful in stress situations, desu.
>>97029875>The Abrahamic religions are correct, period.>that's our starting point because god is here and the devil is now.Again abrahamic faiths being correct about the existence of a god (verdict still out on if he's the God) and demons and hell does not mean everything else claimed is correct. For one thing it's literally impossible for all the abrhamic faiths to be correct, they have conflicting views. Not to mention different christian sects.>God directly assists man, see the sniper priest, you think they got some extra sonar shit or something? combat drugs?Yes that is evidence of a super natural being. That is not evidence of the God. If a demon gave a human the same power, is that evidence that demon is God?>they literally blind themselves and let god guide them. this isn't like communicants where you have reason to believe the meta christ and shit is some sort of messed up human experiment. these are normal dudes who follow god.They follow a god, nothing confirms it's God.>While the evidence i don't think is enough to say they are right i think it's equally fine to say it is as it isn't it was written ambiguously for this purpose.That's literally the point I'm making anon, it's ambiguous so assuming that we can fill the holes of what we know in the setting based on irl religous doctrine is nothing more than an assumption. We have no idea if respecting the doctrine of the church gets you into heaven, we have no idea if you can even get into heaven in the first place.>If i squint i could really imagine that the demons aren't even real, i mean church of metamorphosis there's some lovecraft here. maybe they're all alien outerbeings that came from the door and wear the skin of demons to make mortals live in a state of occult suffering.The point isn't that the supernatural elements aren't supernatural elements, but that the fact some of their nature lines up with some of abrahamic theology doesn't mean all of abrahamic theology is true.
>>97028892>Sure its not an absoloute, but you can safely assume that heaven is real in this, a gap in information or knowledge is not the dismisal of it.You can't assume something exists or how it works just based on something someone who was partially right about something else said.
>>97028097I'm interested to know what happened as well.
>>97030733which thread?
>>97031128/coopg/ on /vg/. This was the screenshot.
>>97031162>extremist influencerswho the fuck are they talking about? they think there is some grand conspiracy with some small group pulling the strings? all the big "influencers" either ignore TC or circle jerk about it. that fucking manlet sees a few anonymous comments from some rando and thinks its some elaborate secret right wing conspiracy against him
>>97031162>extremist influencers “We don’t need people in our community that oppose sex change surgery for 12 year olds and oppose illegal immigration, they’re extremists.”
>>97031172A bunch of people got very mad that they did their own "Warhammer is for Everyone". Retarded or not. Point is, I'd like to see the footage of the TC creators talking through what they learned from launching the IP. That sort of industry knowledge is always pretty cool.
Holy shit that /coopg/ thread is a gold mine. what a cluster fuck the TC reddit and discord are. the one faggot whining about the discord mod not taking his "mexica heritage" seriously makes me want to smash my monitor.
So the finnish manlet thinks he is fighting some underdog rebel fight against evil GW and chuds? With what? The very transgessive and rebellious ideas of le heckin noble mooslims, heckin strong black womyn, heckin evil and dark christianswoah, so rebellious.
>>97028743>>97028800>>97028817I fucking hate these types of stories/settings, even as kid I disliked the whole "The Forces of Heaven sit on it's ass while Hell rapes the planet"
>>97031245Got a link? I can’t seem to find the relevant thread.
>>97031303in the current active /coopg/ thread on /vg/ there is a link to the previous thread, its in that one
>>97031191I mean, this is based, how am I suppose to dislike this.>didnt just become a flash in the pan by being part of the culture war and instead just made a game he wanted to see>>97031261I wish he would actually just make his own game, I liked Arch but seeing him become like the woke is fucking gay.>if they dont capitulate to what I want, their woke! They hate me and everyone like me! Boycott everyone, shame these people!is just >if they dont capiutulate to what I want, theyre racist/bigots! They hate me and everyone like me! Boycott everyone, shame these people!I know youre reading this Arch, nigger, if you want chud warhammer go make it, TC shouldve inspired you, and you apparently have the audience primed for it, apparently. Instead you got salty you didnt get to take the wheel of someone elses project, and thought you were more important that you were and would get to demand it pander to you, and are now fighting with your own audience over how you said KCD2 gets a pass where TC doesnt, even though the KCD2 devs actually did call you a racist grifter nazi directly. Just make something, its doable.
15. Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong, good and successful. They hate America, they hate Western civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality. The reasons that leftists give for hating the West, etc. clearly do not correspond with their real motives. They SAY they hate the West because it is warlike, imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric and so forth, but where these same faults appear in socialist countries or in primitive cultures, the leftist finds excuses for them, or at best he GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whereas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY points out (and often greatly exaggerates) these faults where they appear in Western civilization. Thus it is clear that these faults are not the leftist's real motive for hating America and the West. He hates America and the West because they are strong and successful.16. Words like "self-confidence," "self-reliance," "initiative," "enterprise," "optimism," etc., play little role in the liberal and leftist vocabulary. The leftist is anti-individualistic, pro-collectivist. He wants society to solve everyone's problems for them, satisfy everyone's needs for them, take care of them. He is not the sort of person who has an inner sense of confidence in his ability to solve his own problems and satisfy his own needs. The leftist is antagonistic to the concept of competition because, deep inside, he feels like a loser.17. Art forms that appeal to modern leftish intellectuals tend to focus on sordidness, defeat and despair, or else they take an orgiastic tone, throwing off rational control as if there were no hope of accomplishing anything through rational calculation and all that was left was to immerse oneself in the sensations of the moment.
>>97031315Who is Arch?
>>97031324Was the biggest warhammer channel till he started talking about how warhammer needs to kick out the blacks and gays and then pivotted to talking about culture war shite where everyone is woke except him, hes the resistance (except when he likes the game that has woke shit and it gets a pass because he realizes that just telling everyone to not enjoy anything is not a good position)
>>97031338What does he have to do with TC?
>>97031316Your mums a leftist.
>>97031324He's a YouTuber and terminally online Twitter dude. Makes videos about 40k, then pivoted to outrage videos about things around 40k once other channels became more popular. He noticed the "Warhammer is for Everyone" thing really caused a ruckus and leaked into a bunch of groups completely unrelated to 40k, allowing to become a idpol football he could constantly play with. Then TC was announced, he was touting it as the BASED AND TRAD 40k because all the TRANNIES ruined it. Only to have the creators say no to that. He (and several other people) sperged out. Either way, I just want the video, I want to hear what the TC guys say they learned and what they would do different, what they wouldn't, etc.
>>97031338that's alot to say consume product and keep consuming. how long until you realize posts like this just make people support the opposite because of how much of a fag you sound like?
>>97031345See the second half of the first paragraph:>>97031350
>>97031346t. tc player and/or lil moe moe and the zutts
>>97031352>explains exactly what happened>YOU SOUND LIKE A FAGYou should have been aborted.
i backed this bloody kickstarter how tf is this game imploding so fast
>>97031345He is the biggest propnent of "abandoned TC" voices. He was specifically who was told to fuck off when they tried to get the developers to "bring on based writers like me and people I vet, that way, you will be successful because youll appeal to the based chuds. I know what you need to be successful and will ensure only the right kind of people are playing this game", and was told "who the fuck are you? Go away" as the game was a success, he thought he was important and that "the real audience" would just abandon the game because its not for chuds, and he was wrong. I like Arch but fuck me when he talks about stuff like TC and even videogames now hes a spastic.>helldivers 2 devs HATE you>because they are making satire of totalitarianism!and then>"KCD2 devs called me a racist nazi...">we need to support that game though, because we need more games like this!>proceeds to argue with the audience he primed to hate games like this because they rhetconned the protagonist to be gay and added black people>"no no, we need more games like this, I know I said that stuff is bad but its ok this time! Support the game!"Im sick of culture war shit anon. I just dont want trannies in my games and woke shoved in my face, I dont need the developers to be based like me.Gatekeeping is bad right up until its you being gatekept.
>>97031362>Backing the KS after the cracks had already started to appear by that pointNo one to blame but yourself
>>97031191What a pretenious twat
>>97028312>>97028312The Church has radio chats with literal saints on a regular basis to ask them for military intel and technological prophecies. You think it's implied they reside anywhere else?
>>97031350I’m the chuddiest chud who ever chudded and I fucking hate Arch and his gay fucking toff accent.
>>97031682>I’m the chuddiest chud who ever chudded
>>970316901844 hale Hurtler death to the chews
>>97031308Oh yeah found it. Boy, a lot of these people have heard a lot of shit about Trench Crusade I’ve never heard of before, I must be out of the loop.
>>97031391>retconned protag to be gayHenry is only as gay as you make him. You can fuck all the romance/fling choices or none of them.>added black peopleOne guy in one quest. Archtards should be burned alive, honestly, and I’m glad the TC team had the good sense to run him off.
>>97031708rookie numbers
>>97031745Like this for instance. My planned Abyssinian warband is going to be surprised at this outcome.
>>97031775>didn’t break 75% in anything: wishy washy>high ratings for the commie dictatorsGet in the helicopter, pinko scum.
>>97031788>didn’t break 75% in anything: wishy washycope>high ratings for the commie dictatorsI answered strongly agree on the question about purging communists
>>97031799Well to be fair, nobody kills communists like other communists do. Anon-sama, I kneel.
>>97031750I know anon, but he primed his audience on the fact that the fact that they even did this was woke and terrible, everyone knew it was a choice and 1 black guy wasnt a big deal and would make sense in the game given the developers, but he made an audience that believes its signs of woke and cause to start pissing and shitting all over the game, so when he said the game was good he got backlash from his own people and then made a video responding to his audience having to explain why it was ok that it is in the game THIS TIME. He made an audience of chuds, and they acted like chuds, and he realized that what he had done was just cultivate an audience of people who will write of anything that is even adjacent to being woke even if its optional and HE was now beholden to his audience where he cant like something without having to validate himself, even when the dev outright started fighting with people even talking about it, calling them nazis, racists and grifters this was the game to defend.Meanwhile, compare that to how he has responded to TC, a game that has no woke in the game, the creator just didnt want to appeal to chuds, because why the fuck would you want these people as an audience, who read into the fact that theres a female character and start going off about how the west has fallen because theres a woman in a fantasy game wearing armour and then boycott the game. Arch is an ass and he cultivated an audience or asses that I think even he is starting to realize is a problem because hes audience captured now. If he doesnt toe the line he led his own audience just make a garrote out of it. Everything is woke to these people.
>>97031811Damn that’s a lot of effort posting nobody will ever read
>>97032704>(you)
>>97032714I’m just saying that breaking up your shit into paragraphs, each containing one point and its supporting arguments, is a better approach than two huge walls of text.
>>97031811>300 words>4 sentences
>>97032736I dont get that at all, youre on a forum where threads last up to a week, you dont need to format your posts like your posting on twitter. Walls of text are common here because most posters are white.
Multiple containment threads and they are still shitting up the general, and it isn't the weekend yet
>>97031191Mother fucker is working on an entirely different game with Blanche, really looks like he took the money and is fucking off
>>97033744The rules are released and are free, what are they suppose to be doing lol. Theyre releasing plastic ranges of all the factions now.
>>97023131>Christcucks really get this mad about more fantasy being worked into their fantasy
>>97024088That's already true in actual Christianity. It doesn't say other gods don't exist, it's that they are all below the capital G God and you pledge to not worship any of them over God. The idea is they are just lesser entities, demons, angels, saints, etc.
>>97029400He's just a Claypool fanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl58QllW2QM
>>97033744Lmao. Rugpull confirmed
The dragon hunting mission feels a little too easy; maybe we've just been rolling hot but every time I've played it the thing goes down by round 3It could stand to have some modifiers so it can move more and survive bett
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>uhhhh Tuomas can ONLY work on one thing in perpetuity or he’s ABANDONING Trench Crusadesome people should have been drowned at birth.
>>97031315The sooner people acknowledge that Grifters/Reactionaries are functionally no different from the Snowflakes they mock the faster things will get better
>>97031279The classic Hell is 100% real but the jury is out on Heaven
indian warband when
>>97035695The poop eating army is right there
>>97035350Angels have been seen and heavenly miracles occur every once in a while
>>97035695I know you're joking but rakshasa Path of the Beast sounds kinda cool.
>>97037117I thought those were already allocated to the Himalayas, i.e. Buddhists.
>>97033780>Theyre releasing plastic ranges of all the factions now.what game?
>>97037792TC is making plastic ranges of all the existing factions, incase you werent aware of that.
>>97030842I said i didn't want to get into an agnostic tier argument and yet here we are.I was expecting something more and frankly it just looks like you're desperate to say no, like this isn't well reasoned.>we don't know which oneyeah, that's fine Abrahamics are right.>sniper priestthis is actually sounds like cope.Anon, there is nothing supporting that, not in how the universe works nor indicating in setting and if there was you're an idiot for not providing it. if you're going to make the claim that either another god is backing them up or a demon we'd need to have some sort of indication that overcomes the simple explanation of "god does it."the faster argument is god's backing all horses because he wants mankind to survive god can help the misguided and virtuous.>It's godthe god of Abraham is in the setting, this is known. they worship the god of Abraham. you have no evidence for this point and it just seems like autistic hairsplitting.>that's the pointhere's the problem, you make the same assertions but you have less evidence and less reason behind it.There is some evidence, not enough, not sufficient but some. I describe it as the "agnostic argument" because it's what it is, you have enough room to believe as you feel.I'm Jewish so i choose to believe the Jews are correct but there is a clear bias towards the Christians.See the metachrist, all those divine visions people get, etc.
>>97032755>walls of text are commonyeah nigger but how many people read them?you need to write something worth fucking reading.seriously you need to learn to condense shit.this could be cut down so much because you don't format your shit.ahem>example KC, arch has courted X audience and this has lead to the issues with audience behaviour when he did Y.Then you pivot to arch with TC, this is very clunky, but the jist is he dislikes it because while there is no woke they explicitly didn't cater to him and his audience, therefor they're mad, also he's stuck with his audience for the same reasons as example 1.I think this is needless complicating the matter, and you don't use words to specify but to further muddle.it is MIND NUMBING TO READ.
>>97037880anon, i thought you meant this:>>97033744>Mother fucker is working on an entirely different game with Blanche
>>97038010You think Im going to read all that?
>>97038047I don't give a fuck if you do or don't.
>>97038012Oh I was speaking to the point of "taking the money and fucking off" when they are actually working on making model ranges and printing physical copies of the rules and warbands books now since the game is completed.
Rule v1.0.1 are outhttps://www.trenchcrusade.com/rules/Change Log here:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B8vuPvWSubmoiCjKbJKADQv-tnRhd_79U2OyqSio168/edit?pli=1&tab=t.0#heading=h.rg3a00rfu2loListening to Starman right now and really want to make ayylmao themed heretics. One day I'll get over my motivation issues and my addiction to procrastination, but maybe tomorrow.
>>97039300Am I reading this right, they made it so a model can only use a satchel charge once per game, is the implication that one model could carry multiple satchel charges before? I was intending to make a demo team with Eires faction ability to take 4 engineers but assumed it was restricted to one grenade/heavy weapon already.
>>97039486>is the implication that one model could carry multiple satchel charges before?The implication was that they could use a satchel charge each turn if they were equipped with one, now it's clear they can only use it once per game.
>>97039486people treated the heavy satchel charge as if it was a pile of them.
>>97037946>his is actually sounds like cope.Anon, there is nothing supporting that, not in how the universe works nor indicating in setting and if there was you're an idiot for not providing it. if you're going to make the claim that either another god is backing them up or a demon we'd need to have some sort of indication that overcomes the simple explanation of "god does it."There is nothing supporting that other supernatural beings can make you shoot good via supernatural means? Also "god does it" isn't anymore simple than "something does it". You act as though things besides god in the setting have the ability to magically enhance things.>the god of Abraham is in the setting, this is known. they worship the god of Abraham. you have no evidence for this point and it just seems like autistic hairsplitting.>the god of Abraham is in the setting, this is known. they worship the god of Abraham. you have no evidence for this point and it just seems like autistic hairsplitting.>the god of Abraham is in the setting, this is known. they worship the god of Abraham. you have no evidence for this point and it just seems like autistic hairsplitting.>the god of Abraham is in the setting, this is known. they worship the god of Abraham. you have no evidence for this point and it just seems like autistic hairsplitting.There is no singular "god of abraham" anon, the god the jews believe exist, the christians believe exist, and Muslims believe exist is not the same god. You're accusing me of arguing as an agnostic, the only way you could believe all three believe in the same god is if you are agnostic on what god is.>here's the problem, you make the same assertions but you have less evidence and less reason behind it.>There is some evidence, not enough, not sufficient but some.Again anon I don't know if you're illiterate or what but I am literally saying there isn't sufficient evidence, that is the point.
>>97031279>"The Forces of Heaven sit on it's ass while Hell rapes the planet" I mean that's the only possibility if you want to present god as almighty but still have conflict. If God wished the fighting to stop he could just do it. If heaven could only fight hell on an equal level at best that implies that hell is as powerful as God.
>>97031620Those aren't exactly a dialgoue anon, they're just pick up the ambient "words of god" they just recieve messages that aren't even necessarily directed at them.
>>97036759Right but the bagels being seen was followed by them killing literally everyone, faithful and heretics alike, and the miracles serve to only ensure the conflict continues, not really to end it in the devout's favor
>>97040718>There is nothing supporting that other supernatural beings can make you shoot good via supernatural means?Not my position, but by all means why don't we look at what entities could be there because remember you're not saying "super natural entities help" you're saying it's likely that it's notably possibly not god and that simply doesn't follow.>god/ angeleasily explainable>the devildevils are not shown to have omniscience, it is also noted that their politics is very changeable, their power is limited through the otherside of the gate. etc. they also don't offer anything for free and priests that did would be hunted. there would be signs, hell's goetic magics don't work in these ways.>another 3rd partythen you need proof that 3rd parties, non abrahamic entities and then you'd have to explain why this is intervening and helping christian priests based on their faith.i don't believe there is a solid logical explanation aside from direct divine help from the lord or some sort of true faith thing.>there is no singularI consistently call this splitting hairs because you've got a ill-thought out point. the fact that different sects believe different things or represents god different means that they're not praying to what they believe is the same entity. when christians and muslims worship their lord they're bowing to the god they believe shepherded the Jews, who chose them of all people of the earth to protect. they observe the same history and simply believe that god has shifted his attention to them instead.there is a god, it may not appear as they think any of them could be wrong but it's the same god. and removed from that there is an objectively existing god.>that is the point.yeah i agree in principle but, 1. how you go about supporting it, your ideas are ... ill considered. 2. you assert it in the same way someone might state a religion is correct. it's entirely vibe based anon, the only thing that isn't possible is god not being real.
>>97040763NTA but thats the observers listening to capital G God, the council of saints are implied to be actually responding directly to questions that the church has - albiet in ways that are often obtuse or hard to decipher the meaning of.
>>97024764they're really gross though... How do Grail play different from NA?
>>97044244NA is long range, lots of adaptability and focus on squad tactics with few equipment limits compared to other factions meaning you can put strong weapons on cheap units and they are easily replacable unlike for other factions.BG is close range, their elites are like a boss fight for anything fighting them in melee, but their chaff are unreliable and barely adaptable due to equipement restrictions, everything revolves around your elites.If you dont like the filthy BG aesthetic just play Dirge, theyre basically hollows from Dark Souls rather than nurgle and their thralls get guns.
>>97044244I will warn, BG is a bit matchup fishy, effectively all their units have some of their value tied up in the same traits (FEAR and resistance to anything except FIRE) so if you fight a faction with FEAR or FEAR resistance and FIRE attacks you will suffer immensely.
>>97030324Are there any channles uploading TC batreps on a regular basis?Trench Titans has been slacking for 3 weeks ffs
>>97044273You can take that another way>force enemy to spend and use certain equipmentNice flamethrower, looks expensive, did you have to put that on a chaff unit? Damn thats crazy, those are really easy to kill.
>>97031189>we don't need people in our community throwing tantrums because the game doesen't push their political agenda FTFY Will change my mind when they introduce a faction that provides sex change surgery for 12 yo and welcomes illegal immigration tho (unless you're referring to heretic legions welcoming illegal immigrants from Hell)
>>97031750>and I’m glad the TC team had the good sense to run him offYeah and they also ran off two thirds of the people who had interest in this game / setting.
>>97044986It just sounds like the only people that were driven off are the kind of people whos brains are occupied by politics in literally everything they do, considering the game was a success without them.I consider myself a chud, but I supported TC. Instead of coopting it and showing that we're a viable audience to appeal to these spastics just showed the complete opposite and why noone wants to appeal to or even should appeal to us. I still dont even know what these people want, because they cant ask for woke shit to be removed becuase theres nothing woke in it, so how do you even appeal to them.
>>97044244NA is mercanries in mordhiemBG is Undead.to wit, NA is a disposable ranged faction with some melee options and a good balance of tools and abilities.BG is (my characters are fucking cracked but everything else sucks, dogs are nice though)
>>97044929>a faction that does Xwhat is the serpents head of lustHL devoted to lust.
>>97031279This is literally how it is in real life though
>>97045125>like the only people that were driven off are the kind of people whos brains are occupied by politics in literally everything they dono, speaking as an antipolitic guy, they didn't i mean MAG28 seems like that breed of people.they drove off the right wingers. you still have an entire wing of turkeys that need to get cooked for thanksgiving.>they cathink for a god damn second man, all of politics is just tribalism. the problem isn't muh black people, it's "you have sworn to my enemy."kinda, I heard that the devs say stupid shit about the good guy factions, and they consistently give the fat Sargonite attention which, personally i think means they deserve it. but one could have simply stood up and said. "we condone no politics and will have no political discussion." that'd be perfect, I think that was the old battletech community's stance until political people started getting their hands on the moneystealing Mormons
>>97031279You didn't listen in Sunday school, then.>>97031745>>97031776Alright, I'll look.Also, why are all the shitposts still up?You guys DO report rule breaking posts, right?
>>97045269>You guys DO report rule breaking posts, right?you are an insufferable Randel, the only thing worse than a janny is a janny collaborator.besides if we didn't have shitposts there's be no thread because nobody here wants to dicuss any-fucking-thing>>97031279>heaven sit-retard, it's 1917 and there are giant robots, super soldiers and a space programme.god is literally feeding them divine knowledge about creation it self.the only difference is he hasn't dropped his angels down there because he knows that this will kill humanity and end the world.
>>97045287>he wants the shitposts instead of actual topic discussionYou are actually the problem with this website.Instead of talking about the game yourself and being the thing you say you want, you decide reprobates and shitposters are fine.>likely is one of the shitposters themselves
>>97045260>you still have an entire wing of turkeys that need to get cooked for thanksgiving.Nah Im tired of this anon, its not the way it works at this point. If feel like these people wouldve tore down Judge Dredd if it was made today because the creators are lefties who think anything right of center is fascist unironically, and Robo Cop as anti capitalist because it makes capitalism the bad guy>of course the side kick is a woman and most of the gang members are white, while most of the police are black, theres no agenda at all guys!Im tired of this shit anon, im not in the camp of "I only associate with people who agree with me" because it doesnt work, the expectation is that even if you like a thing your suppose to abandon ship when you interprit the smoke signals a certain way. Even Carl"every political party I associate with dies" Benjamin doesnt do that shit anymore, even Arch has shown hes a hypocrite with this, because its showing you are not a reliable audience. Its a concession that if it doesnt just reflect your views you arent going to even approach it, regardless of if you like the thing and how good it is, and that is so stupid that it is exactly why the right gets no media. The right just give the ground the moment there is even a whiff of anything that doesnt adhere to their views. This is how you become culturally irrelevant.I just dont want trannies and ideologues shoving their shit in my media anon, these people cant write and they design like shit. Ive adopted the "politics" of "can we go back to how things use to be?" where NORMAL PEOPLE make things, because yes, even leftists use to have normal people among them.
>>97045306>Instead of talking about the game yourself and being the thing you say you want,1.you're not doing that2.i've tried, this thread is dead. I'm hear out of obligation and in the slim chance that someone posts touma's blusky updates or whatever here.>you're the problemNo that would be management and you're retarded to think otherwise.this website has been left to languish and decay and the people who moderate suck. shitposting is a symptom not the disease.>you're a shitposter.nope, i just hate Randels.Also i hate how the fuckers here act like AoS swine. do you want to see what you do to avoid shitposting? just watch.Simple wasn't it?
>>97045481Well yea thats my point. Expell ALL political shit from creative enterprises. I dont just want to be pandered to. Leftists can make good shit still, the problem is that "leftist" and "fucking wierdo ideologues" as synonumous at this point, which ironically is what the they do to the right>oh you lean right of far left, must be a naziIm sick of it from all sides. Normal people dont care this much about this trash, Im a chud and even I dont want shit to be like this. Some of my favourite media is made by leftists, I dont need to be pandered to I just need the wierd nonsense out.TC doesnt have woke shit in it, thats all I wanted. I want more games to adopt this and realize that you can just appeal to rule of cool and be normal like that and have success, you dont have to appeal to people with pronouns in their bio and wierd hair colors who talk about post capitalism all the time OR the"Im not a nazi, but I totally think people that dont look like me should appear in media" types.
>>97044986>archtards went with king faggot himself and can’t shit up the game/settingGood riddance
Still waiting on my WGA Germans to make into Troopers. Any suggestions on how to make them more “satanic sturmtruppen” and less generic?
>>97046106hobby knife carving is a good idea to start, cut some brimestone symnbols, inverted crosses and pentagrams.Spikes are an easy way too, that was used in the lost and the damned back in 3e to make them look evil.get yourself some chains, like you can get cheap jewlers chain, cut it and place skulls or objects on it but i think that works for the body as a whole.it's expensive but brass rods, could work, form them into devil horns or trophy racks.but i think the biggest thing is likely going to be thinking about how to be cohesively evil.you could get sculpting puddy and blue stuff, and grab shit from like 3e chaos, where you have faces screaming over top of it, or mutations or things like simple 28mm animals and cast them but don't let them fully finish so it smears and warps and work that into the heretics like their mutating as the path of the beast.you could case faces from your own crew and do the same, peal them before the casting is finished and peal them like skin over your armour.
>>97045550>Expell ALL political shit from creative enterprises.Based. we are in agreement.
>>97046106Cant go wrong with capes and carving/painting symbols onto helmets and patchesSculpting a breastplate on, it wouldnt be hard, you dont need to make it segmented like pic related you just need to flatten it out so it doesnt look like a shirt and paint it metallic.Ive seen people using little chainsLess is more, you dont need to pile a bunch of stuff on, its mostly the paintjob that sells it if you have a few things here and there
>>97046106>>97046179I gotta stress it's how you want them to be.i could suggest looking into bloodpact Grotesques, or the Forge world chaos minis for heads and inspirations but it really come down to what you want.Do you want rabble, something professional, is there a brand of evil you want to present. remember these men are so nihilistic and broken that they hate creation itself.they are in every sense of the word damned.you have a particular scale to work on but i suggest looking at some hobby blogs like the below, it really does depend on how far you're willing to go but remember, at the end of the day make what you would be happy with.https://bigbossredskullz.com/2017/01/11/blood-pact-11/
>>97046179>>97046211>>97046217Thanks, dudes. I am going to head to the hobby shop for some little chain and some miliput for cuirasses as a starting point. I have some plasticard I can cut up into little icons, and also have found a few blogs where people convert the guys I bought and give them different equipment, such as pic rel with a flamethrower. I’ll look into spikes and trophies, and may try sculpting flayed faces with milliput or greenstuff once I get the hang of it.
Goku solos Trench Crusade
>>97047397Jesus would body Goku though
>>97047397>>97047451Some people haven't read the lore primer and it shows.
>>97046106Open up the Ars Goetia and look at the sigils, design your own.
>>97046771Anon, it's nice seeing someone doing hobby here and not shitposting.thank you for being a cool dude and i hope your minis turn out fantastic.
>>97048366Good idea, really vary the sigils on the helmets and devotional things they wear.>>97048792Thanks, anon. I hope they turn out half as well as I envision them, because I’ve never worked with milliput before lol. I’llGet a few done as quick as I can to post, as well as my Yoke Fiends when they arrive.
>>97048350man that 1.01 update changed things
I just started playing Trench Crusade. Met a guy who has his own resin printer and he printed me off a starter army for a plate of spaghetti. I've been getting my shit rocked, though. My first game I failed to kill a single one of his models. I know I'm doing stupid things and not using the game systems properly. Second game I did a bit better and killed three of his models, but lost in landslide point difference. The list I was using was one I dug up online when I googled "good starter Iron Sultanate warband". I wanted something simple to learn the rules.The suggested warband was this onehttps://www.newrecruit.eu/app/list/VqHQVAfter observing that I'm having trouble killing things like the War Wolf or even just the Heretic Priest, I think I'm going to try this out:https://trench-companion.com/warband/detail/97548Any help would be appreciated.
>>97049906Think of IS like Tau, theyre shooters with dedicated melee units. Youll want to try outrange and get in positions where you can shoot approaching units or cover as much ground as possible. Id think of 2 groups where one is for melee and survival and the other is for shooting and is your damage. Make like 2 or 3 jannisaries that are kitted out for fighting melee and survivability and have your leader roll with them, and then have a janny kitted for shooting that can carry something like an MG that rolls around with a bunch of cheap azebs using siege jezzails(since you wont have these guys doing charges it doesnt matter if its heavy) and alchemical ammo, so everyone is shooting at that insane 30" distance with +1 range and try to cover the melee guys.
>>97050144Thanks for the tips. I'll adjust accordingly.
>>97050144I know they don't have strong, but can it be an Alchemist with a Machine Gun? 36" +2 Ranged with Shrapnel / Fire / Gas seems like it might be better than a Janissary at +1 Ranged that can move.
>>97047397each New Antioch soldier is on krillin levels
where do people get their stls? Like the Great Hunger.
>>97051617Sure, just might feel a bit clunky not being able to move and shoot, like it gives time for enemies to move out of the way, with a long range weapon like that you probably want to get those shots off fast, but the alchemist would hit harder when it hits for sure.
>>97051940Wait, never mind, you need assault to do that. Just use the alchemist.
So would two Anointed—one with a great axe and one with a shield & hellblade—be enough melee for a Heretic warband considering I’ll have a flame trooper and a few guys with bayonets?
>>97052123the greataxe guy should be able to hold something else, they're STRONG right?Its probably fine for main-melee, but I'd make sure your other guys have some ability to melee with a trench club or something at least - since that isn't enough to prevent a high-melee warband from running past your big boys.
How cooked is the game now that they're not going to release STL's anymore? That was the main selling point for me.
>>97052123I think you want the great club generally. i heard people tell me it outperforms the other great weapons but also you have gas grenades. launch the gas, have an off hand weapon to put one more blood and hopefully down someone to burn it for the bloodbath with a +1 injury.with the axe you're rolling 3 pick the highest flat but you already have a bunch of ways to add to that roll anyway and at best you can only really get a 10-9 against really armoured opponents. on a crit with a blood marker you could roll 6 dice and come up with nothing.but with the +1 on your mace you're a bit better off.
>>97052123>be enough melee for a Heretic warband consideringBro you have great melee elites.why not run them?
>>97053261It’s not cooked at all, there are dozens of creators selling alt sculpts on MyMiniFactory.
>>97049213In what way?
>>97053261Its a rugpull
>>97052123If you wanna run regular troopers make sure to give at least one of them a means to hold something down in melee for a bit, otherwise you run the risk of your opponents heavy hitters running them over before your anointed can get to them
Did that sydney vid ever get posted on the reddit again lol
>>97053261Resin is the least popular material to work with for hobbyists, followed closely by metal. They're moving into hard plastic, which is the most popular material amongst all age demographics.
>>97053261There's a million different stls in the wild for all the models in the game and the rules only ask that they be on the correct sized bases and that you tell your opponent what model has what on it before the game
>>97052805Fair enough, maybe I’ll give axeman a shotgun or something too.>>97053909Interesting. I have a couple properly sized sledgehammers laying in the bits box as is, so the mace is definitely an option.>>97053925All I have are troopers and Anointed at the moment lol>>97054357I could give a couple shields and clubs with the bits I have, maybe even a great weapon.
>>97054487I've noticed some of these custom factions like The Great Hunger are running campaigns that you have to back in order to get the STLs, then they don't offer the STL's afterwards for purchase.
>>97054291Thanks for the bump, trolling retard.
>>97055303curious, stls are 0 cost after you've made them
bump
Is this basically Zdzislaw Beksinski, the wargame?
>>97055303Those are 3rd party
I saw some of the art work for this game and it made me want to read into the lore and to be quite honest... I'm very underwhelmed. How are you going to have 800 years of Hell invading earth and not have a more than 1/4 of a real-world caliphate under Hell's control? The fucking real world Ottomans were a bigger threat, without demons? How do you have no real plan for what the hell Asia and the New World are doing through all of this? Usually I wouldn't complain that a series is Eurocentric, but in this case it's a straight up plot black hole by being so. There's a fucking SPACE PROGRAM???? What the fuck is God doing? Idk, I'm disappointed. I guess I would have said the same about W40k in it's first year, but man it's going to require a whole lot of retcons and development before this series lives up to it's great concept.
>>97062182>while the forges of Hell turn out truly colossal machines of death of their own – the largest known piece, the dreaded Mouth of Hell measuring a staggering 666 feet in length and boasting 1666 millimetres in calibre!like jesus fuck almighty, this shit is straight up cringeworthy.
>>97046211Impresive!
>>97062300>>97062182Youre looking for something wholly serious and grounded in something that is over the top and ridiculous. I think youre jaded, its just doing what warhammer did when it started out.Images of jesus are bulletproof in this setting by the way.
>>97062182There is no way to handle the abrahamic faiths that wouldn't make whole bunch of very annoying people upset. So better to just ignore it and pretend like it doesn't exist
>>97062481Non abrahamic faiths I mean
saw some anglo-dane kits at my lgs a long time ago and thought it would be pretty cool to make a danelaw themed Alba NA, replacing the lochaber axes with Daneaxes, Mechanised huscarls etcdoes anyone else have any silly out there ideas for warbands or kitbashes?
>>97062791Some Ive seen >NA mechanized units and making little tanks/trucks(they count as cover too if Im not mistaken which is thematically appropriate)>BG replacing thralls with rat swarms, and dogs with giant rats>NA eire, modelled as special forces where theyre wearing all black and emerging from mud and floorboards. Eire get the most infiltrators of any faction>TP I think, themed as knights, their big models were guys on horses>BG themed to be lepers>BG dirge napoleonic themed, they used canons as the viscera canons, the leader was a multi model base with a general which was neat>HL as all werewolves The witch was clearly just Felicia from DarkStalkers lol, wish I could find this again it actually looked good>I dont know what faction it was but it was a bunch of icons like paintings and artifacts that were sentient>what I think was IS samuraiI dont want to start making lots of warbands but seeing some of the stuff people make is cool. Ive definately seen viking adjacent kitbashes. If you have as theme as long as you stick to it it can work.
>>97062791Guy at my LGS plays Court of the Serpent but uses 3D printed models of Doom demons. He has a Revenant as a Yoke Fiend with a gun, two Pinkies as regular YFs, Hellknights as his Hell Knights and a Pain Elemental for his Sorcerer. He uses generic naked slave models from Vinni as Wretches.
>>97062481Agreed, I just dont think theyd get more out of it than they'd lose.
>>97062455Absolutely not. I was expecting over the top and ridiculous, but you can still have good writing and a thoughtful plan within that parameter. It's okay for Holy magic to be real, but like, but there has to be some sort of rules or consistency to it. Examples like Jesus being bulletproof is neat enough, but I can't take 666 discount Iron Maiden shit seriously, it's way too cartoony for it's own universe.
>>97064435You want more of a story, less of a setting.As another anon had said, this was exactly how 40k started out, before it decided to pad it's coffers by filling the margins with details.Even still>it's way too cartoony for it's own universeAs said before, you want something decidedly more serious, rather than Requiem in a skirmish game. What it is.
>>97064435>anon doesnt know that numbers are titles in the bibleTsk tsk. The mark of heaven is literally just 777 by the way. Inscribe a bullet with 666 and you mark it with the title of "imperfection", or the beast, where doing it with 777 hits them with the concept of "perfection" or divinity. Let the schizo babble of sacred geometry flow through you. >my sword is exactly 666 at all measurements, Ive measured it. If I hit you with this the laws of the universe that says this shit is real and that drawing lines a certain way in blood can summon demons, dictate that my sword does +1 damage to the divine if its a certain sizeyes, its stupid, its great.
>>97064509I want something that feels well written. Leaving whole continents of the world as blank space while the literal end of times goes on elsewhere despite having all technology to connect them doesn't do it for me. It's like having an invisible wall in a open world RPG, it cheapens it massively.>>97064529I guess I can stomach sacred geometry, but it still needs to be better written than that
>>97064661Toy soldiers is srs bzns
>>97064661>Leaving whole continents of the world as blank space while the literal end of times goes on elsewhere despite having all technology to connect them doesn't do it for me.I feel you, it made more sense when they said "here's hell it's in this one location" then they said, "well actually this can be anywhere, heretics have access to the Atlantic and spanish have colonies.""oh and demons appear to pagans like their gods and deceive them to war with the righteous.fucked.
>>97065950I don't care about the toys, just the lore>>97066849There's so much cool stuff you could do since basically every religion has some form of demons but it either has to be everywhere or very tightly contained
The weirdest part about this game is that it wants the vibe of the "Battle of the Somme" with hundreds of thousands of dead soldiers and gigantic cannons and Zeppelins and world ending armies marching over no man's land...and then it's a skirmish game of a dozen people vs a dozen people.It's weird, the setting would do better for 6mm large scale or something like that.You'd think the game was focused more around small groups of scouts or spies behind the enemy lines, but instead you field line infantry that should be in groups of hundreds and elite regular soldiers and large creatures that march in the open.When I think "World War One Infantry" I don't think "small skirmish".
>>97062182>he fucking real world Ottomans were a bigger threat, without demons?You underestimate the depths of Ottoman moral depravity. >>97062455bruh different anon, trench crusade isn't RT, and you're fucking wrong.warhammer was a product of extreme crunch and british humour, orks have silly names and do silly things, including slap tiny pitbulls on their heads for hair. Obiwan Sherlock Clouseau.Warhammer is silly, it's bones are 2000ad, it's the product of extreme deadlines and crunch.TC isn't un-serious, it's very much serious and has from what i can see central themeing. It's output isn't nearly as fast as GW and the writers have time to breath by the look of it.the fluff over the top, but not in the warhammer walking cathedral, while the marines literally travel into eye of error to act like cops sort of way.it's a setting where mothers, through no moral fault of their own will be driven to eat their newborn children and split into a monster that's constantly birthing writhing masses of souless flesh in agony.that's over the top but it's not funny it's not seriousness.they had time to think about about it, a lot of time.
>>97001075troon trash
>>97066876>I don't care about the toys, just the loreSECONDARY.>every religion but it has to be everywhere oryeah no i agree. it's definitely a case of someone going "here's our premise" and stopping there. worse the more they add the more they undermine it.
>>97066890it's definitely more mordheim two because the premise is you're sallying forth into no-man's land during the luls in the conflict to gather supplies.6mm would be weird though.
>>97066890I think a platoon-sized TC game using Bolt Action-adjacent rules would be neat.
>>97066890The patrol vs patrol skirmishes can happen in any war.Sure, the setting could also work for something in different scale representing the whole frontline, but that would require different style of rules and wouldn't have the "your dudes" kitash/hobbyist appeal.
>>97067059>wouldn't have the "your dudes" kitash/hobbyist appeal.>can't kitbash if it isn't skirmishthe fuck?
>>97067110Kitbashing in 6mm scale?
>>97067122You don't like the idea of your bits box being more fine than your modeling gravel?
>>97067122>>97067191>anyone who likes GW or their derivatives are hobbyletsnever surprised by this anymore but it is funny
>>97067122>>97067191>noooo that's literally impossible!
>>97067122I've done it before. I used 3mm parts from a tank to up gun a 6mm infantryman
>>97067394What's up gun?
>>97067424I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UP WITH YOU?
>>97067384Sculpting is not kitbashing, Anon.
>>97066890I think its more based around the trench raid aspect rather than the mass waves of infantry side, I would definately like to see a larger scale though, especially given how the game is model agnostic so it wouldnt be expensive to make something large scale.On a game making side of things they almost certainly wanted to keep it small scale so it was easy to get into and easier to design for, this was all more achievable because of the smaller scale. As coming out the gate and saying "you need 70 models to get a game going" is how you ensure noone is even going to attempt to touch your new tabletop game. You can play this with a max of 10 models to start, and most people dont even hit that and do about 6, thats way more approachable and allows people to get their foot in the door via attempting to make models themselves, and being able to set up games by just pulling 6 guys out of your pocket.I have a guy to play with who didnt even have models, I just gave him a handful of my guys so we could play a game and now he wants to make his own. Ive seen people making a rule for having 5 or so chaff infantry for free in their games that activate as one unit, maybe they could work something like that into the rules for larger scale where you just add more of these special rules units if you want.
>>97068586you're right it actually requires skill and effort
Like making bait used to.
>>97060200There's some influences in there, like for Ekron, but not enough to say the game is based off that.
>>97066890>It's weird, the setting would do better for 6mm large scale or something like that.You are confusing the scope of the setting with the focus of the game.The setting creates the circumstances of the game, in that all forces are building up in preparation for a grand offensive.
>>97062182We have stupid retard posts like these everyday and I have to wonder if they're all being generated by the same chat bot.
>>97069169Likely enough.Enough surface level information that chatgpt would pick up on.
>>97066890There are plans afoot to expand the game, include mounted units, armored units, and a more mass-battle system. Even 40K was basically a skirmish level game in 1st edition. The scale of the game right now reflects the setting being one of life being very short. Units are small because there aren’t standing armies with a hundred thousand men any more, there simply aren’t that many people able to fight.
>>97067059In his book ‘ About Face: Odyssey Of An American Warrior’, David Hackworth recounts being part of a ‘wolfhound’ unit during the Korean War. Their job was to slip into enemy trenchments and emplacements and capture enemy soldiers, taking them back to US lines for interrogation.
How fucked is it to start off with TC as my first war game? Always wanted to play 40K or Sigmar but never found the time or players, my Overlords of Khardron Spearhead is still collecting dust.I managed to find a local game of TC fairly quickly.
>>97070203The rules are straightforward, the models can be whatever you want and the rules are free, you could do worse.
>>97070209Its been fun, I dont really give a shit about the drama or political shit. I got the Prussian set for a decent price and have enjoyed the two games I have played
>>97070203About as good as you can get.Rules are free, models are whatever you really want, system is solid and the games do not take forever.
>>97069169Or maybe just a lot of people think that?
>>97015059Well yes. But you cant say that on discord as long as the troonmod is in charge
>>97070203>How fucked is it to start off with TC as my first war game?you're spoiled because you'll be given a lot of choice and options and if you transition to GW's games you'll see the empty void where all that choice and freedom was removed.you're playing a skirmish game and with a good group you'll have a lot of fun, just come to it as a narrative, write stories, name your characters and you'll get out more than you put in.t. mordhiem player.
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>>97053261>buying stlM8, the rules are free. Just build whatever the fuck you want.
