Scouts and Saurs Edition>What is this?/TG/ DEVELOPED A GAMEIT IS PLAYABLE. IT HAS BEEN PLAYED.EXPEDITION is a ~1880s era, Jules Verne-inspired retro-futurist, underground blood soaked adventurescape.It is a Skirmish wargame. Two players with their own expeditions, on a hexgrid map, explore & fight each other for victory and profit.3 versions of the rules exist, 2 of which have been playtested. The main one is 2e, to be found :>https://www.mediafire.com/folder/us7vnek39dc6k/AgarthaRulesas with maps, tokens and lore resources.>TL;DR Dochttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1LxdaGoBlJRTMuziMDupG5TeeFwNDnsIW2pfaRAcFDgA>Main Lore Doc, including links to anon-written short stories and additional lore in "Recommended..." sectionhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1bRrxdD1BMLmcMDFeszwqg2Rcjrt8DDo7tjAxoOB6KQ8>3e Rules Doc (READY FOR MORE PLAYTESTS)https://docs.google.com/document/d/14ZpHhEyUbjt-SCx2xuAd0lyh7Rs4J7rK5kHkljqykhk/>Unit Spreadsheet - Currently outdated, requires an updatehttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rcleQtrT4Q0INiBW50-kq2ZXWJ-cjLOeVTLTJg_oX5E>Unit Design Dochttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1n0X89OdMPXJKQGm6kYcOABjhjE4NZER1fvmpDmDX1JAWiki>https://eadsttcoteg.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_PageKaiser Anon's audiodrama (now complete!)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwfxQxrHe4M&list=PLKLbVXLsxBBw1EHR-81wTYMJkWKKiQFfH [Embed]>What can I do?Shitpost, meme, get comfy. Read over the docs to settle in.Familiarize yourself with rules and ask for an intro game or participate in playtests. If you are interested in designing a faction for a wargame, this is the place.Contribute if you have ideas. Give feedback on contributions if you don't.>TQ: How does the Inquisition operate in Agartha?>Previous Thread>>96850638
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Maddened Ramblings of a lunatic here:>>97017319>>97017335>>97017342>>97017362>>97017384>>97017755>>97017760>>97017763>>97017768>>97017772Please give me that sweet criticism and feedback because right now Lemuria exists largely as a series of metaphors in my own mind and hopefully we can get that out of there so I can make space for Sky People lore instead.
>>97017812I wrote a while ago that Lemurian prophecies are typically sourced from the scrawlings of the Old Lemurians all over every surface of their ruined cities, with memorization of prophecies (and interpreting them to determine which ones are relevant at any given time) playing a major role in Lemurian society.That was a while ago, though.I don't hate the idea of prophecies being sourced internally, but I feel like there should still be some sort of physical object that (at least some) prophecies come from.
Hyperborean Accounting >>>/out/2849946
>>97019717> but I feel like there should still be some sort of physical object that (at least some) prophecies come from.I do bring this up with the Old Lemurian prophecies as told by Ozzy here:>>97017772 There being multiple different traditions of prophecy (Low, High, True, Old, etc) works I think for giving us a wide range of things to work with for lore and gameplay.
>>97020539>Low, High, True, Old, etcYou just know Lemurians get super judgemental about other Lemurians for believing in the wrong kind of prophecies.
>>97021081>He really believes Gog and Magog are the key to the entire future because he found a cool carving(They actually are)
>>97021505What do Gog and Magog look like?
I have finished the first draft of the history of the Holy Kingdom of Portugal. Still have plenty things to clarify as somehow the most important sources for sebastianism are not in english, so I needed to read about them from secondary sources, but for now it will have to do.------------------------------Few fates in this new century have been as bizarre and unexpected as that befallen to Portugal. Even with the fall of Paris and the discovery of the worlds below, the rising of the dead and the strange phenomena in the Paraguayan jungles, the birth of the Holy Kingdom of Portugal was something that made the world blink twice in confusion and surprise. However, when one begins to analyze the events that lead to the new theocracy, one realizes that the events leading to it were rooted deep within the country’s history.
>>97022977The beginning of the new century was not an auspicious one for the Kingdom of Portugal. Despite the relative isolation Portugal’s geographic location at the westernmost extreme in Europe grants, it was not enough to save the country from the revolutionary tidal wave coming from France. General Bonaparte, in his quest to conquer Europe, had put Europe in check, leading the great powers to act accordingly. Critically, Portugal’s ancient alliance with Britain, a bond that tied the two nations since the 14th century, pushed Portugal into the Coalition alliances. To fully block Britain’s trade from Europe, Napoleon tricked the king of Spain into a joined action against Portugal, promising to share the nation between the two once the conquest was done. The Portuguese armies, badly organized and greatly outnumbered, did not even attempt to fight the invaders in open ground, with the french forces taking Lisbon in 1807 without a shot fired. However, Napoleon’s attempts to take the Braganza royal family were for naught, as they escaped to their domains in Brazil. However, the tides of war would begin to change quickly, as in 1808, a popular rebellion in Spain, reeling against Bonaparte’s kidnapping of the Spanish royal family, successfully took the french forces by surprise, and even defeating the seemingly invincible french armies in Bailén. The rebellion spread to Portugal, and the Peninsular War fully englobed the Iberian Peninsula. Seeing a chink in the french armor, the british deployed their forces in Portugal, to aid their old allies to fend off Napoleon’s control.
>>97022988The war was long and destructive, and left the nation greatly weakened. With the french forces finally retreating in 1814, the nation had many problems to face besides the reconstruction of the war. After the conflict, Portugal had been left highly dependent of Great Britain, something that began to rancor the nobility, the businessmen and the armies of Portugal, feeling snubbed and bossed around by their supposed allies, plus creating dependency ties to the british that would slow down Portugal’s own eventual industrialization. The reticence of the royal family to come from Brazil made things worse, who began seeing Brazil as the pivotal part of the kingdom, much richer and safer from the troubles in Europe. Tensions against the crown eventually resulted in the liberal revolution of 1820: seeking to force the king back to Portugal and to apply a liberal constitution similar to the one Spain had written in 1812, a military revolt managed to force João VI to come back and accept constitutional monarchy. However, this was not the end of the nation’s troubles: the attempts of the Lisbon government to recover authority over Brazil only strangled them more, and would immediately led to a Brazilian uprising (backed by the portuguese royal heir, no less), resulting in the independence of Brazil. Moreover, the stillborn liberal regime had to face a succession crisis after the death of the king in 1826, as the portuguese prince and regent Miguel of Braganza rebelled against his brother’s whishes (Pedro I of Brazil). Declaring the return of the absolute monarchy, the miguelists fought the liberals between 1828 and 1834, a war that the liberals would eventually win, though once again, with a great deal of british aid, strengthening the bondage they had over Portugal.
>>97022999The victory of the liberals would not end the country’s tensions. As punishment for the support given to the miguelist during the civil war, the Church was harshly punished by the new government, commencing a process of expropriating church property across the nation, straying the faithful from the governments under Maria II. While the political situation had its ups and downs, with the cartists and the septembrists fighting for the government (and even a brief civil war in 1846), the tensions in Italy were beginning to stir trouble within Portugal: the rise of vulcanism in Italy was seen by many as a dark omen, which would be proven true by 1857, as Rome was burnt down by the pagans, forcing the Pope to flee to France. This begins a muted, but growing, artistic movement that begins mixing with the religious frustrations at the time. A sense of malaise and melancholy begins to grab the lower classes in Portugal, as the attempts of the consecutive governments to improve the economy and industrialize the nation not only failed, but tended to result in plenty ills for the poorer groups. The belief that the nation was falling into dark times mixed very well with the growing realization that the world as they knew it was a lie: the Earth was hollow, great nations and monsters lived in the concentric layers of the planet. Mystical powers that defied the common understanding of science were pouring forth across the surface from the deep. Like at the end of the Roman Empire, pagan barbarians had taken over the Eternal City, razing Italy to cinders, and forcing the Papacy to flee to survive. Many began bringing back the old works of António Gonçalves de Bandarra and António Vieira, which resulted in a revival of the old sebastianist myth.
>>97023014Sebastianism, a portuguese myth born after the death of Sebastian of Portugal against the Moroccan moors in the 16th century, defended that the good king Sebastian, who had disappeared fighting the infidels, would come back in Portugal’s direst hour, to save the country from ruin and unify Christianity under a 5th empire (following the 4 kingdoms of the biblical prophet Daniel). This strange messianic belief spread across Portugal, though at the time very few actually had faith in it, being relegated as an artistic, almost ironic within many sections of the population. However, the seed of true belief was being planted even then, as many saw the shattering changes that were rocking the world as the signs that the world was coming to an end. This would reach its climax during 1873, where two unrelated events would end up having explosive results. First, all the way to the east, the crumbling Ottoman Empire, seemingly at the brink of collapse, had risen from death, as Murad V’s works had led to the dead rising from their graves in their hundreds of thousands across many parts of the world. News of this rocked Portugal. What else, if not the end of the world, could be the cause for such unnatural calamity? People began inundating the churches to pray for their immortal souls, as the slowly developing secularism and even atheism was suddenly reverted: Portugal had discovered their faith again. Demands to the government to do something were ignored, as the portuguese authorities simply did not see viable to intervene in such a meat grinder when they were far from its effects. This resulted in multiple protests, often in the form of religious processions and marches across the nation, praying for salvation.
>>97023020However, while this was going on, another crisis rocked Portugal. After the fall of Paris and the discovery of Agartha, all nations had been infected with the desire of gaining an entrance to the below, and empires now searched all throughout their holdings in the vain hope of stumbling upon an entrance that could lead them to riches and glory. Portugal, as one of the oldest european empires, was not different, and the loss of Brazil had not deter their will to defend their status as a world power. Across their holdings in Africa and Asia, portuguese explorers were searching for the desired prize. It would be one of these expeditions that would discover a series of archaeological ruins, as well as a great series of caves (later called the Leopard’s Mouth). While these two discoveries were unrelated and, on their own, were nothing particularly noteworthy, the portuguese press ran with the news, and loudly proclaimed that Portugal had finally found an entrance to the deep, and that it would bring the woes of the country to a close. These news were allowed to spread thanks to many within the portuguese government, seeing it as a great way to relieve the tensions regarding the Second Oriental Crisis.
>>97023031This would backfire spectacularly, as these news arrived to many within Great Britain. Having adopted a very aggressive foreign policy regarding agarthan affairs, and wanting to quell the religious tensions on their own nation as well, many sought to take the prize from Portugal. Backed by many private lobbies, the british government began pushing Portugal to relinquish their discovery, appealing that the area in which it was discovered wasn’t actually under portuguese control (the cavern was considerably far from the Angola and Mozambique enclaves), and thus they had no real claim over it. Like with Denmark before, the british pressure grew rapidly, though this was considerably harsher to Portugal, as its economic ties with Great Britain were much stronger. Before the other powers could respond, Great Britain issued an ultimatum: concede your claims over the region to the british, or face severe economic embargo. Portugal, having little in the way of modern industrial structure of their own, and faced with a threat that could lead them to lose their colonies in Africa if they persisted, had to concede.
>>97023042Britain quickly sent their own explorers to the area, and after two years of exploring the region and the caverns described, they turned out to be misleading: the caverns were not a door to Agartha. If anything, the caverns were rather shallow, barely 100 meters deep. Fearing scandal and humiliation, the british lobby responsible for the takeover quickly began hiding their intervention, pushing to distract the public from this embarrassing move. While the outcry from other governments was severe, especially by other catholic nations, the great powers were too focused on other issues to publicly take advantage of Great Britain’s blunder. Thus, the “Portuguese Blunder” was quickly buried by news from the Middle East, and no one faced real responsibilities for breaking Britain’s oldest alliance for nothing. In Portugal, however, this was farther from happening. The nation, already agitated by spiritual unrest, had been publicly humiliated by its supposedly greatest ally. Nobody really cared that the caverns turned out to be folly, for the shame of this forced concession broke the government’s image. Public outcry exploded across the nation for years, and a series of successive weak governments failed to stop the protests. Republicanism spiked, as the rule of Luis I was seen as weak in the eyes of the public, unable to solve the many issues and slights against the nation. It seemed as the monarchy was going to fall soon.
>>97023050It would be during this chaos that the “Sebastianist Revelation” would take place. Across the country, a series of apparent transfigurations would take place, all with the same message: “salvation is coming, the lost king has returned, look at the moon and you will be freed”. The news of this spread like wildfire, and a wave of popular fervor swept the nation. At the town of Fatima, almost 100.000 people began praying after a young shepherd delivered the holy news. It would be in this town when a miracle would apparently occur. Almost all of the participants would swear to have seen “a chariot exit from the sun: From the mist of dawn, a long procession of angels and saints praising the return of the lost king, our lord Sebastian, follower of Christ and chosen of God, to bring good tidings for the new age. On a great white horse he will come to us to redeem the woes of the nation and lead the faithful to the glory of His kingdom”. While many in Europe downplay this as the result of 1875’s solar eclipse, and there was no physical proof remaining, in the end that was immaterial. Religious fever had gripped the nation, and the wave of fervor was not possible to stop. The portuguese government were split on this: many saw it as a chance to save the monarchy by supporting this fully, while others saw this as a reactionary movement that could see the nation being brought back to the Dark Ages. However, while Luis I pondered this matter, he was too slow for the populous, more zealous by the day. This quickly led to the threat of an armed uprising, now with miguelist claimant Miguel of Braganza as a possible replacement.
>>97023068>>97023068Even as the miguelist branch of the Braganza family was banished from Portugal, they had moved to Spain after the carlist victory in the Second Carlist War in 1872. Now, the carlists began helping this new catholic movement, as well as the new pretender to the throne, which would help strengthen the carlists’ international standing within the catholic world, as well as punish the british support to the liberal side during the carlist wars and the Cuban War.
>>97023075However, a war would not begin. Seeing that the government was crumbling before his eyes, and fearing for his and his family’s safety at the hands of the new sebastianists, Luis I would concede defeat, and peacefully abdicated the throne to the Duke of Braganza, now Miguel II of Portugal. In exchange, he was allowed to leave peacefully to Brazil, in which they reside to this day. Miguel II would dismantle the liberal system, reestablishing the old absolutist system, now highly imbued with sebastianist mysticism. The crowning of Miguel II was also the birth of the “Holy Kingdom of Portugal”, as he fully embraced the new faith. Quickly establishing himself as “Regent King” (as the long awaited Sebastian would inevitably come), he began intertwining the monarchy and the sebastianist cult into one and the same, quickly gaining the support of the movement. He would also renege the 1373 Anglo-Portuguese Treaty, ritualistically burning their copy of the document in a highly publicized ritual. Perfidious Albion would pay for their betrayal, sooner or later.
>>97021790depends on the edition. I've shuffled them so only real ones can guess which is which.
>>97023080While it's a little outside the scope, how does Sebastianism affect Brazil? They're having their own adventures at this point but the question remains.
>>97024042I haven't yet decided about it, but if I had to guess, they are trying to crack down on it. Portugal had strong ties to Brazil even after independence, and sebastianist preachers would be able to easily infiltrate and began proselytizing, which could definitely threaten the brazilian royal family (and brasilian independence in general). Add to that that Brazil has the exiled portuguese royal family, and that Brazil is very weary of anomalous things since the paraguayan war, and the brazilian government would want nothing to do with sebastianism.
I've uploaded the spanish book to the discord. I've added the torero and the inquisitor to the book as well, if anyone wants to check it out.
Also, here's the latest update of the timeline. Unless someone has any further suggestions for it, it should serve as the basis for future additions, since the big dates of major players are added there.
>>97027610What's the reasoning with Malcolm showing up briefly in 1855 and then vanishing? I was under the impression he was a veteran of the Sepoy Rebellion and only emerged into public consciousness after that.
>>97028478If I can recall, Malcolm briefly appeared as a leader of the protests against the government's inaction in the 2nd Abomination War. Many catholic british wanted to aid the Pope and the french against the vulcanists, but the british government remained neutral.
Can characters get hero traits?
>>97029023Characters with "Veteran of the Deep" can choose between Born to Lead and Duelist. I think there might be 1 or 2 equivalent things but the traits you can choose from are always predefined.
>>97023382>>97030122Thank you. I tried my hand and the results were disappointing, to say the least.
>>97030133I was thinking of nerfing something from Paco Gutierrez, but I'm not sure what. When I made it, I was thinking in the "prince of thieves" archetype (weak, but fast and nimble) with a boosted navaja. But once I tried to make it leader and gave it hero traits, I realized it can become broken for next to nothing. A Paco Gutierrez with navaja toledana and hero trait spy gets Evasion 9 + nimble, and that should only be available for the torero, whose whole point is to avoid getting damaged. Not sure what I should take away while keeping its silver cost, it's already expensive to bring, as it has to be hired with other two models. Any suggestions?
>>97031713Meant for >>97029140
>>97027610I asked this last thread but it must have gotten lost, what was the reasoning for putting the Paraguayan war back a few years? I understand if there's some concern over the US needing time to recover from the civil war, but I think it coincides better with the Taiping taking over China (as it does OTL) given the Hyperborean links.
>>97032685I don't think it was moved back. The original War of the Triple Alliance starts in 1864, just like OTL, then in 1869 the hyperborean madness starts, and it lasts until 1873. I don't recall being otherwise.
>>97022977>>97022988>>97022999>>97023014>>97023020>>97023031>>97023042>>97023050If I'm going to be honest with you anon, this just sounds like the organic kingdom under Salazar but if the Portuguese equivalent to the carlists were in power. Anons have this real bad habit where they take the topworld nations and factions and make them batshit insane ON THE SURFACE when one of the whole points of the setting was that what's underneath the earth is where shit gets screwy. Was that not the whole point of this? That the earth above is mostly sane and standard but much like the mountains of madness or heart of darkness, going to paths not tread and the unknown leads to great horror and the veil of civilization being shown to be a thin veneer. I'm fine with the underworld being fantasical; that's the point. It's when shit looks the EXACT same above where the issue is. It completely takes away from the layers and their themes/feel when shit is popping off just as insane in scale where the "normal" part of the earth is meant to be. There's an anon adding dieselpunk mech tanks the size of two story buildings when it was advised shit like that wouldn't be a thing until a spin-off showing the setting during ww1/the apocalypse was kicking off, the volcano god italians which much like the atlans was just memes and brevity until people deluded themselves into thinking the puddle was actually a lake, the takeda(???) samurai on raptors when even before the official date/decade of the setting, the Boshin war had already kicked off and the Takeda had been dissolved a century and a half ago with their successors/descendants the matsumae only alleging to be a sub-branch of them. The rebellion against the British in the Raj somehow succeeds when it took less than 5k soldiers to defeat the Mysore empire and that was with mass rockets and the french aiding them. I can accept historical fiction, what I don't appreciate is all this effort for monkey wrench throwing.
>>97032880I can see your point, but it was not my intention making it "fantastic". Maybe I haven't been able to express it well enough, but when I did this writeup, I tried to make it so a country goes "mad", so to speak, after all the strange events going on. We mentioned many cults and theories being born out of the strange agarthan affairs appearing, but we've not really seen a country full on falling deep into the madness. Since sebastianism is a messianic myth of end of the world and rebirth, it would make sense to bring it as the result of their last straw of sanity being finally cut.Also, while other powers have changes due to the direct intervention of agarthan affairs, this is not it. Nothing agarthan is bringing forth sebastianism, it is a case of collective dellirium, panic and frustration finding a release in a strange faith. >organic kingdom under SalazarNot really. If anything, it would be a classic "ancien regime" absolutist state with a great deal of religious influence. How faithful are the royal house after Miguel II took over is very debatable, but the state's control is indeed justified by the sebastianism cult. Nevertheless, I am still thinking on how it could actually work in terms of social structure and diplomatic relations all over. Maybe we could tone down the hyperreligiosity of this, though I feel it would be missing the point of it.
Hired Gun: Cost 25Artillery, MechanicalAP: 3Movement: 1, Accuracy: 6, Strength: 5, Discipline: 5, Evasion: 4, Labor: 5, Awareness: 5Health: Crew 4, Gun 2Armor: Gun 5HEquipment: Lefauchuex, Sabre, Rations, Alcohol, Torches, LanternsGatling Gun: Range 10, Long -2, Pen 2, Lethality G, Reload 3Ammo Feed 3Vestigial Mod:Before Deployment, you may give this model a Graze Wound on the Gun location to roll 1d3 on the following table, this model gaining the result. 1- Telescopic mod2- Belt Fed mod3- Guillotine Talon modSpray and Pray: When you declare a Ranged attack with this model’s Artillery Profile, chose between the two following firing modes:-Short Burst: After the initial Attack, Scatter 1 additional Hit 1 hex away. Any model in that hex must test their Body Armor or take the damage indicated in this weapon’s basic profile.-Long Burst: After the initial Attack, Scatter D3 additional Hits D3 hexes away. Any model in those hexes must test their Body Armor or take the damage indicated in this weapon’s basic profile. Then, test this model’s Labour. If failed, the weapon immediately needs to be Reloaded, and double the amount of Reload necessary before shooting it again (only this once).>commentaryThe last mercenary i've been wanting to do. I wanted to post something before going dark for sometime, especially because i've yet to deliver anything hyperborean. I'll probably get to the diver/intruder first, so that only npcs will be left.
I have rechecked the spanish units' rules. I've changed a couple of things. I've added the new rules in the discord.> Paco GutierrezIt needs to reduce its evasion, otherwise it can quickly become an Ev 9 Nimble monster, and only the torero is supposed to have that level of evasion.- Reduced its evasion to 6- Navaja Toledana loses Nimble- Increased its awareness to 6 > El Estudiante-Increased its awareness to 6> El Algarrobo-Decreased its strength to 6-Added the "¡Cuidado Paco!" action¡Cuidado, Paco! [1 LD]: If this model is adjacent to “El legendario bandolero Paco Gutiérrez” and said unit is going to receive a wound, you can choose to make “El Algarrobo” receive the wound instead. You can choose to do this action at any point, so long as it has the LD necessary to do so.>Foreign Catholic Zouave-Increased its strength to 5>Spanish Colonial Trooper-Added "Elite" keyword>The Spanish Businessman-Added the "Sponsor" Keyword>El Maestro de Esgrima-Increased its discipline to 7>El Cura Guerrillero-Added a "Donkey" mount.>El Rejoneador-Rewrote the "Suerte de Varas" rule for clearer reading.
>>97033304Who's it recruitable for? I can see it working well with US lists.
>>97033304Also, for the Hyperborean diver unit, I know I came up with some sort of Danish name while pitching it, but I made a mental connection recently and would like it to be renamed to:>The Supernautbecause it's a good song, and the word sounds hyperborean, and because of this part from the Turisas cover:>What is Supernaut anyway?>They have like, astronauts and um, taikonauts and cosmonauts>Maybe it's from Sweden>IKEA's from Sweden>They have great meatballs in IKEA. I like meatballs>Meatballs come from cows. I once saw a cow in Denmark>Maybe it's from Denmark...Picrel is a design from 1882. They sell 28mm figures of it for cheap so I might get one.
Tsardom anon here.I'm sorry this is taking so long. By hook or by crook I will post the loredump next week or I sudoku.
>>97034222All colonials. Like the steamboat.>>97034301That's too weird for me to not acknowledge, but i still really don't like it as a Danish unit, and still think it should be Whalur. What about it being a whalur unit that the Danes can take as a mercenary?
>>97034565Take you're time. I, at least, will probably not be posting at all next week.
>>97035041I don't really care if it's Danish or Tsardom or Whalur. Mostly I just want the name and the aesthetic. Whatever you think works best works for me.
>>97035057If you insist on having it this early in the timeline, whalurs would work best, since they are a weird cultist microfaction>circa 1895-1900>first Scandinavian/American/someone else's hypernauts manage to dive into the polar fountain while remaining lucid/sane>first thing they find is remnants of an old diving suit covered in scrimshaw talismans
>>97034565What were you working on?
>>97035389Tsardom lore facelift, I've been promising to do it for half a fucking year at this point.
>>97032810Ah, so it is, sorry. Didn't realise that was what it was called, I thought it was just the Paraguayan War.
>>97027610Please update the Eastern War peace terms>The Treaty of Berlin forces the Tsardom to abandon its protectorate over the Danubian Principalities, as well as its ambitions of acting as the sole protector of the empire’s Orthodox Christians. The Tsardom is obligated to guarantee the freedom of trade on the Danube, and to destroy all fortifications in Southern BessarabiaAs well as the outbreak of the Russo-Turkish war being a rebellion in Bulgaria, not "border incident".
>>97033304Wait, the mods are supposed to be a French thing. Especially the Guillotine Talons.
>>97036113Like this? Also, any other event that needs to be added to the list? I'm thinking to add this to the wiki once we have a solid lock on the timeline.
>>97037099If it's really an issue that rule can be cut. Austria also has them, and i'm sure there are other more niche ways, like the Byronic Battle Poet. France still has the most ready access to them and use for them. It's an optional rule, on a mercenary special unit, and does have a cost and random element. I really see no problem with it. If it's just the Guillotine Talons that are the problem, i suppose they could be swapped for the Overclocking Rig or Blast Shielding, but i think Guillotine Talons are more interesting and better represent adapting to Agartha.
>>97037291If people are really against it the modifications could be genericized and made unit-specific.
About the Ictíneo II spanish submarines, instead of it being a military vessel, perhaps it would be more interesting to make it a "Treasure hunter" kind of unit, seeking for treasure beneath the waves. I'm not exactly sure on the gold-seeking mechanic, though, so any suggestions would be appreciated.Also, yesterday Kaiser and I played a Spanish vs Germans game, it was very fun (so much so we forgot to take screenshots, oops). I'll do the battle report later.
What was the "skirmisher" skill? I cannot find it in the book.
>The strange incident of the Lagartijo Island.--------------------------------------------------------The Spanish Empire in the Pacific is a strange institution. Once you leave the Philippines and move east, you have a extraordinary collection of hundreds of small islands, many of which are only claimed in name only, and frequently some of these islands are either discovered on accident or proven to only exist as a cartographic error. Once Spain lost its claims in America after the war against the United States, they began a concise effort to fully chart these waters, to make sure they had ironclad authority over their region of the Pacific Ocean, especially in these strange times. Meanwhile, with the Spanish Pacific Fleet not having nearly enough ships to patrol these vast and tempestuous waters, this area is quickly becoming ridden with pirates and delinquents. A particular strange report was that contrabandists and black market used some of these islands as dumping grounds for agarthan cargo they wanted to get rid of, obtained Heaven knows how. This caught the interest of Spanish businessman an eccentric entrepreneur Roberto de la Huerta, who after receiving some unsavory rumors and the possible location of one of these islands, took a small contention of mercenaries and sellswords and moved to see what could be found. Their travel led them to a small volcanic island, not recorded on official charts. They quickly proved the presence of previous travelers, a camp long abandoned, with nothing of value with the exception of a series of note warning not to go to the center of the island. Intrigued, they decided to do just that.
>>97041359At the same time, forces independent from the Spanish Empire were arriving to the island at the same time. The German Empire at the time was greatly interested in developing a world class fleet, needed to test their new vessels in areas far from european shores. While their navy tests near the shores of their African holdings were going smoothly, the German admiralty demanded to test their crafts in harsher waters, and planned to do certain maneuvers near the Solomon Islands, an area still poorly charted, and that could offer possible colonial opportunities down the road. However, this did not go as smoothly as planned, as a massive typhoon managed to separate one of the smaller vessels from the rest of the fleet. With part of their navigating equipment damaged and unable to communicate, they eventually had to land on a seemingly wild island to repair damages and try to contact back. To try to find whether the rock was inhabited, they sent a small squad to the highest peak, at the center of the island.
>>97041376Both sides found each other at the center of the island, crowned by a series of old volcanic caves. De la Huerta’s expedition, believing they had found the pirates, began preparing for battle, just in case they were hostile. The german forces, seeing an armed group that were readying themselves for battle, began fortifying their position within a series of dunes. Before both sides could realize there was no harm from the other, a mighty roar came from the depths of the caves, as a massive swarm of bullsaurs came charging at both forces. With events quickly getting out of hand, battle became inevitable, a three-way rumble between the three as they charged against each other. But really, two toreros plus a banderillero meant that there were 11 regular saurs plus an alpha saur on the map, there were more NPCs than any of the player armies had units.
>>97041382The first two turns were quite hectic. The Spanish colonial troopers, seeing that if they became still they would be mowed down by the Germans’ fixed positions, decided to charge at the machine guns. Somehow, two of three managed to arrive to melee. While wounding some of the german soldaten, they could not really do much and ended up falling to the wall of fire. From the other side, the bandoleros began sneaking upon the fixed positions, though they had to cross the dunes to reach them. While two of the guerrilleros were taken down, the leader of the bandidos managed to reach the trench, avoiding volley after volley shot at it.Meanwhile, the toreros began to dance around the horde, with four or five beasts charging at each of them at the same time, while the banderillero weakened and tried to take them for themselves. The rest of the german troops, meanwhile, began shooting at the herd, launching bursts of machine gun flack to thin the charging bullsaurs’ numbers, making a mockery of the art of hunting. Seeing that the situation was going out of control, the businessman De la Huerta decided to try to end it, taking his old gun and take the head of the Alpha Bullsaur. Somehow, the shot managed to take down the beast, launching the rest of the herd into disarray. While the rest of the animals scattered, De la Huerta managed to signal the german forces to stop and begin a parlay. Realizing this was all a misunderstanding, both sides began recovering their wounded and taking note of what exactly had happened.
>>97041392After a more thorough search of the island, it turned out that it had been used as dumping ground for bullsaur hatchlings, and without any natural predators, they had bred unhindered. De la Huerta took his ship and went back to the nearest Spanish navy outpost, who then sent a message to the german admiralty to tell them the location of their lost vessel. After a Spanish and German force arrived to the island, they quickly made a sweep of the island, capturing as many bullsaurs as they could be found, and went back to their homes, leaving the island behind, and making quite a penny in the process. To this day, De la Huerta still has the head of the Alpha Bullsaur on his wall, as well as a pickelhaube that the Oberleutnant gave him as thanks.A year after the event, a Spanish vessel sent to cartograph the island reported that, where once the island had been located, now there was nothing but the ocean... And thus it ends the tale of Lagartijo Island. >Results196 Germany – 181 SpainVictory for GermanyAlso, the game was 150 silver. Considering we both got more silver than what we spent at the beginning, I’d say it’s a good result.
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>>97040147+1 to Accuracy and Evasion if you have no Friendly models adjacent. It will be added to the newest version of the Rulebook, its already in. I'll add the Spanish book and the tokens a bit later on tonight. > Firnament FoesWell all of a sudden there's too many for the list. So I'll put Selenites in as regular Hyperborean soldiers, anyone got an idea? Design-wise the faction could use a cheaper soldier.
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>>97047159Oh, seems fine. Though I don't know why the spanish inquisitor has that, then. >I'll add the Spanish book and the tokens a bit later on tonight. Neat. Thanks.
>>97047159>Selenite: (3 Silver)Slave, SpecialistAP: 2Movement: 4Accuracy: 1Strength: 4Discipline: 2Labour: 5Evasion: 6Awareness: 4>Armour:0>Health:-1 Box>General Abilities:-Utterly Expendable-Fear[All non-Selenite]>Special Abilities:-Endless Reflection:Whenever this model would be removed from the game as a result of becoming Broken, exiting the board while Panicked, or through an Emanation effect, remove this model and place two identical ones in your deployment zone. This model may never become a hostile NPC, and instead dies if it becomes hostile.-Mass Panic:When three or more Selenites are adjacent to each other, they gain [Terror]>Equipment:None>Recruitment:Hyperborean unit>COMMENTARY:This unit intentionally does not have the Hyperborean tag. That means it suffers Emanation effects. It has low health to avoid being a perfect pain generator, but it is still pretty good. Specialist token is applied because of the special rule where you can duplicate it, to prevent Morlock board flooding. There is probably still a way to flood the board with them but you have to work for it a little more.The Selenites were conquered by the Hyperboreans long ago. While the greatest and cruelest of their number were uplifted by the glowing ones, the remainder were reflected. They are now eternally trapped in the downfall of their civilization, serving as an advance wave for the Machinemen and Tripods to spread calculated panic amongst targets. Perhaps there are surviving enclaves beneath the surface of the moon, there may even be some amongst the Earthlings. But these reflections are the greatest remaining testament to the once-proud Lunar world.Effectively they’re picrel but aliens. It’s unclear if they know that their civilization ended millennia ago or if each is an individual or just a reflection or a single one. All they know is that there’s a tripod behind them and it’s very scary, so they run forwards warbling in terror.
>>97047307there may need to be a rule alteration where they always run in a certain direction while panicked, or something along those lines. Just to keep them in the game and not sitting on the map edge endlessly respawning.
Also, while we're at it, I've been checking what I could find regarding a possible portuguese book. And let me tell you, there's a lot of art of portugal during the Peninsular War, a lot during WW1, and almost nothing in the in between. If someone knows any repository of art regarding Portuguese military during the 2nd half of the 19th century, please tell me, I feel the tokens I made need more dinamism. Also, I made up the elephant carrying an icon. It felt appropiate for the more zealous sebastianists.
>>97047227Done, I did a quick check on the units, I didn't notice anything that was obviously broken, La Bolsa o la Vida sounds cool, would like to see it in action. The LP costs are a bit high, especially Dios, Patria, that could be a 1 LP action, or 2 if you add a little something to it, could be anything, Ignore Shaken, +1 Move, etc... Otherwise I guess having absurdly high LP actions could also be something of a theme for the faction. El Estudiante has a "if this unit is near" in the Vuelve rule, should probably be updated to adjacent. > Infinite bullsaur loopLol.
>>97049699>They've discovered clothingIt's over for civilization. The loop is reversing flow.
‘We are going to need better guns’, said he.‘Why’, I remarked, ‘he is only a man. Even my revolver will do.’Lord Paxton smiled sagaciously, and shook his head.‘Our enemy may be a man, but his entourage is not. Tell me, Dodson, have you ever seen a Lemur?’I said that I had not.He smiled again, and told Danton to fetch a key. The silver one. The negro manservant nodded, and walked away while Lord Paxton poured me more Sherry, explaining his question as we sipped by his fire.‘Dodson, you have seen the saurians that roam the plains and jungles of this layer? Gigantic, reptilian beasts, with teeth sharper than a knife, and armour thicker than Atlan plate, the stuff of fantastical tales of the world, millions of years ago?’I nodded. I had seen plenty of pictures in the papers, and had even hunted a few of the smaller beasts that roamed the shores of the Neo-Tethys. I soon discovered the reason for his questions.‘These beasts live and breed beneath the light of the Inner Sun, and I have reports that they are found even in Atlantis. But a Lemur is from deeper places. I have seen great Tyrannosauri torn to pieces by these nightmares, bones sticking out unnaturally from the body, flesh ripped apart like it were paper in the hands of a child. They are bloodthirsty and cruel, and all creatures are made equal by the blows of their ferocious limbs.’I quailed, and asked him if we must defeat these beasts to get at Pedro Gomez, but he only barked with laughter, and shook his head.‘No’, said he, ‘we are not so unlucky. His bodyguards are Mu Revenants. They are… descendants, of a sort, of individuals that have slain one of these monsters, considered as whatever the equivalent of men is in that society.‘Descendants?’ I asked him, and for once he looked troubled.
>>97053566‘I have not ascertained the truth of the matter, but my inquiries have lead me to believe that they are… reborn, in a blasphemous way, from these beast slayers. I know not how, only that they are unnaturally strong, and unnaturally tough. They are mighty foes, but not so mighty as the Lemur, thank God.’Danton then returned, and Lord Paxton thanked him, and took the key, motioning me to stand with him by one of the battered wooden cabinets in the room. He had a knowing look in his eye as he unlocked it, and I wondered what it might contain.‘Revolvers will not work against them, but these will.’He unveiled the contents of the container, and as I peered over his shoulder I saw row on row of black metal so clean they seemed almost blue, set in marvellously polished wood. They were guns; breech loaders, repeaters, magazine-fed, all long barrelled and, I recognised, the kind used to hunt big game. I looked up at the shelf and noticed rows upon rows of bullets, of all sizes, neatly labelled with a handwritten script below each row. Blands .577 Axite Express, .470, 8-Bore Solid, .450 Nitro Express, and more which I had seen in use by the professional game hunters in Africa and the jungles near Errum. I turned to Lord Paxton with some surprise.‘This is what we will be using?’‘Oh yes’, he glimmered, ‘oh yes indeed, my friend.’
>>97054189The Glutton, Soul-Fuel Sacrifice and Selenite have been added to the TTS, as well as two faction traits, wanted to try these : - Storm of Suffering : If a model in your Expedition has this rule, Use Wind Direction and Speed throughout the game, and Pain tokens are affected by Wind Directions and Speed (but not Emanations). Scatter 3x d3 PAIN tokens 2d6 from the centermost hex of the map before Deployment. This model gains +1 level of PAIN Mastery Rank. (5 Silver)- Where the Moons of Limbo Roar : If a model in your Expedition has this rule, friendly single-hex models with any amount of accumulated PAIN tokens counts as a PAIN token for the purpose of other rules (they cannot be picked up as tokens, but are affected/affect rules such as Traumaphile, Atutopoeisis of PAIN, Pathogenic Pathways, Psychopump, etc). (10 Silver) as well as - Veteran of the HYPERWAR : This model and all HYPERWARRIOR & HYPERWARRIOR SCOUTS in your Expedition starts the game with 1 accumulated PAIN token. 3 Silverto the HYPERWARMONGER. The Moons of Limbo probably has some very broken interactions, the obvious ones are using your own soldiers to line up shots from the HYPERWARRIOR SCOUTS or pulling an entire line from the fight by using the MACHINEMEN Psychopomp rules.
>>97017812Apologies for not reading this sooner, but this is awesome. Overly complicated, but it makes a certain amount of sense which is perfectly suited to the Lemurian way of thinking. Now for some of my own thoughts.First: Analytical Machines. You say that they predict Chi, which is a reasonable explanation for how the machines work, but I would go a step further: Some, of the more advanced models, produce Chi. This is why they're considered so blasphemous by the Lemurians, why they hate the British so much, etc. etc. Though I wouldn't hazard to guess how that works.Next, prophecies themselves. I like your delineation into the three tiers, but the thing I'm really interested in is their malleability. Can a prophecy be changed? The rules can be bent, obviously, and many are self-fulfilling, but what is the wriggle room, and what happens when you push back? Recall that anons story about Malcolm and how the Lemurian princess saves him (can't remember her name). Which leads me to the next point Napoleon.In my mind, the secret of Napoleon is that he was given a 100% immutable, unchangeable prophecy about his imprisonment and death on St Helena beneath the pyramids, and then he broke it. This is what seperated him from every other figure who has dared to defy fate. But how did he break it? It's because the prophecy gave him no wriggle room, no way to nudge his way out of it. He was going to die on St Helena. That was the prophecy. This was understandably very upsetting for a man with ambitions to seize the entire world. So he fought Fate and broke it. Before he could be captured by the British and consigned to a life of ignoble solitude he shot himself in the head. Voila, Fate is Broken, Napoleon does something you're not ever supposed to do, and becomes The Shadow. He might not even be Napoleon anymore, just his shade, but the monstrous genius still remains. And because he is now dead And Yet Not Dead, he gets to run round breaking prophecy wherever he goes.
>>97055126>Some, of the more advanced models, produce Chi.In the earliest lore I ever wrote for Agartha I think I mentioned that early Analytical engines would always break, or else predict something only after it had come to pass. I wrote that they were able to get past this by using Agarthan materials, maybe Titanium, I forget.This implies a sort of gravity of the present, in which looking forward or backward is impossible in the same way moving faster than light is impossible in the real world. Agarthan materials, from a different layer and thus different world/dimension/time period/who knows break this rule.Reusing that concept, I think that engines which can undertake high prophecies (so those used by the Lloyds sponsor and outside of game scenarios) might be able to create a sort of critical mass of observation. Instead of a single prophet seeing one string of causality, you have multiple observers (analytical engineers) all viewing the same upcoming event, albeit filtered through punchcard readouts. And since Analytical engines provide precise if obtuse readouts (data rather than feeling) it harshly defines the future even in a limited capacity. This does not eliminate free will, since only a small portion of an event is determined, but it does mean that since multiple individuals can have a clear and defined idea of events then multiple individuals can react.And multiple individuals reacting on hitherto impossible variables becoming defined rapidly changes the flow of events, A.K.A chi. So one possibility made with something that could never be known normally becomes thousands of possibilities made based on an accurate prediction.
>>97055126>Can a prophecy be changed? The rules can be bent, obviously, and many are self-fulfilling, but what is the wriggle room, and what happens when you push back? Recall that anons story about Malcolm and how the Lemurian princess saves him (can't remember her name). Which leads me to the next point Napoleon.Low? Yes, it's what a failed awareness roll is. High? Yes, it's what a failed prediction is in game. True? Depends. The deluge is inevitable, what form it takes varies. This is probably why the Germans have mechs but the Time Stranded Contractor seems to be largely OTL compatible, different possible futures. Old Lemurian? The specifics can be changed, but I think these ones always come to pass in some way or another. I will have to reread Greenrock and double-check how they word things to see if it screws with the nonsense I've spewed.Pushback against the flow of Chi is not noticeable unless you are attuned to the flow of Chi. Sometimes a task is harder than expected, like a critfail in game, and sometimes it is easier, like a crit hit. This is fate. To a prophet, however, failing a prophecy is painful. I assume it's because the empty third eye tries to compensate for something that had just happened which is like snapping your neck around to track a bullet that missed you, but with your brain.>NapoleonOn the working theory that his prophecy is Old Lemurian, meaning largely immutable, I think there's some interesting material here.On the outset, he did escape St. Helena by ending it first. This breaks the prophecy. But, what is death? The Revenants still live, after a fashion. So too do the husks, since they can die again. Even Franklin's Men aren't quite dead yet. An Old Lemurian might say (in a funny voice) that the Emperor has yet to truly die.And even after his knowledge crusade through Agartha where I assume he was having the time of his life wooing eldritch beasts and laughing at fate, what did he find?Sub-Helena.
>>97055659In a sense, his first rebellion against fate was childish, almost a sort of tantrum.Now, with knowledge of 8 layers and an impossible ambition, he intends to go one step further. The Scion is part of this, somehow. The INNR SVN too. And certain figures like Wilhelm, if his dreams in the book are interpreted literally.He has bloodied the nose of his fate, and it in turn has placed before him an entirely layer only to remind him of the folly of this. A lesser man would despair. The Emperor waits.Sub-Helena may only be an aftereffect of the fate he was supposed to have. It may be the real deal, intended as his final resting place. I don't know. No one can know. Except whoever was writing that story with the pyramids, wherever they are.
>>97055607I'd almost hazard to say it's like quantum observation, and by viewing/speaking/whatevering prophecy you make it real. Or real-er, I feel like we should keep a level of ambiguity when it comes to these things.
>>97056044>Or real-er, I feel like we should keep a level of ambiguity when it comes to these things.That is something I worried about writing. I think it works alright currently in that regard. If Chi is in everything and reading it is an art that takes lifetimes to perfect it's still plenty mysterious, while still leaving room for some level of workability when writing rules and stories. The real deep unexplained mystery stuff can live with The Old Lemurian prophecies.Part of me says the return of Arthur is one of theirs, maybe.
https://static.wikitide.net/eadsttcotegwiki/2/26/A_Soldier%27s_Memories_A_Moment_to_Learn_-_Meikai_%E5%AD%A6%E3%81%B6%E6%99%82%E9%96%93_-_Google_Docs.pdfFirst few pages of a new novel. No PDF posting, so it went onto the wiki. This should bring the weebs out of the woodwork.Good game the other night, MapAnon, that was excellent fun. I'll have to take a raincheck on an upcoming Jap/Hybo game for this weekend, as travel plans have made it impossible. Should be good for the first weekend in December, if that works.
>>97057469>A second novel is starting>I haven't even finished the Paris section of the Tourist BookDamn it all, I'm so mad about that. But that aside, this is excellent, looking forward for more.
On an unrelated note, I finished my first draft of the portuguese book. It's considerably more experimental than the spanish book, so it will need a lot more testing and feedback, but I think it could be interesting. Any suggestion will be appreciated.
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>>97058278And that's it for now. Maybe a piece of artillery for them (I found an image of what I think is a Krupp Breach Loading Cannon, but I'm not sure, I'd have to compare to other artillery rules, plus I'm not sure if it fits the general theme of the book).
>>97058295would a flagellant catapult like in Jabberwocky be too out there?> I want to feel my bones burst into a billion pieces!>I want to trace across the firmament a glowing ball of flame a testament to our godliness and piety!>What does that mean? >I don't know, but I want it!
>>97059120>Why should he have all the pain? That sounds more hyperborean, honestly. Maybe a Taiping one?
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>>97059165>Taiping oneAlso, now that we mention it, we could probably update some of the older books. Even if it's just giving them a format facelift and check the wording of some of the older rules.
>>97062165I still need to work up the Atlantean artifacts for the combat engineer unit, and that unit also needs to be added to the book since it's referenced in the rules of the current version. I can repost the stats for the engineer if that would help.
Atlans to right of them,Morlocks to left of them,Skywaymen in front of them Volleyed and thundered;Stormed at with gorg and spell,Boldly they rode and well,Into the jaws of Mu,Into the mouth of Hell Rode the six hundred.
Portuguese book and tokens added to the discord, if anyone wants to check it out.
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I've expanded the lore of Sebastianist Portugal. I'll post what I have now and continue tomorrow.-----------------------> Sebastianist SocietyLife within this new society is already greatly marked by the new faith. After the Sebastianist Revelation, Sebastianism spread quickly within the Portuguese Church, and its influence is great within the now absolute portuguese monarchy, both profiting from each other, in a symbiosis that has made many called the Holy Kingdom of Portugal a theocracy, though that is further from the truth. The king is not the leader of the faith, as sebastianists still recognize the Roman Pontiff as the leader of Christianity. Instead, the king is now the “Regent King”, as the return of the lost monarch Sebastian is inevitable (one of the reasons the kingdom reclaimed King Sebastian’s coat of arms for the national flag and national banners). The king is an absolute monarch, abolishing the 1826 Constitution in favor of a new document, the 1877 Royal Charter, reestablishing the absolute rule of the monarch and greatly increasing the powers of the Church, but not fully bringing the Ancién Regime back. In a similar way to that of Carlist Spain, this new regime is having a hard time to subdue the previous liberal movements. However, unlike within in Carlist Spain, the policies at Lisbon are much harsher towards them. While in Spain, in which the government sees liberalism distastefully, but still needs the cooperation of many with liberal tendencies for the nation’s growth and development, Portugal aims to create a greater social cohesion, be it peacefully or by force, short term consequences be damned.
>>97066434For this, the government has given the Sebastianist Church a great deal of resources and tools. Construction of new churches and shrines has blossomed after the Sebastianist Revelation, with the construction of the new Lisbon Cathedral, of a neomanueline design, aiming to become the second biggest church of all Christendom. Processions and celebrations have also multiplied in frequency, as both a demonstration of faith and to show the authority of the Sebastianist Church. But to control the discontented, the government allowed the revival of the Portuguese Inquisition, which had been terminated in 1821. Unlike the also revived Spanish Inquisition, though, the Sebastianist Inquisition acts in a more public way: intimidation and fear is their main weapon against those who decide to move against the new regime. This new institution is not all powerful, though, acting mainly within cities, and even then, only investigating academic or business circles. The Portuguese Inquisition has a strict control of the printed press, watching over any publication that could criticize the country’s transformation into the Fifth Empire. A great network of spies and provocateurs can quickly isolate and neutralize groups of dissidents, and those under suspicion can quickly be dealt with, though public executions have been outright banned. This has forced many portuguese liberals to exile, or to hide in the countryside, where the vigilance of the Inquisition is considerably weaker, though even there they have to be careful, as the countryside is considerably more fanatical in their zeal than the cities.
>>97066440The nation’s economy still reels from its considerable backwardness. The difficulties Portugal had to adapt to the industrial age are considerably worse now that their ties to Great Britain have been severed. The lack of private investment has forced the government to push more and more to forcefully industrialize the nation, though they do so with the utmost care, as they have realized that the growing worker population is inclined to socialism and anarchism, something the absolute monarchy sees with disgust. Thus, Portugal has moved to expand their benefits from the colonies, even planning to create industries across the seas. After all, the natives of the ultramarine colonies have not heard of these blasphemous ideas (and the Inquisition makes sure to keep it that way), but they surely hear about the good tidings of Sebastianism. However, these have not met with any worthwhile success yet.
>>97066446> Sebastianist ExpansionAs the bringers of the Fifth Empire and those destined to unify the world within Christianity, expansion is a great priority of the sebastianist government. However, the reality of Portugal being a small contender in a world full of stronger empires is not unknown to them. In this sense, the Lisbon government has a long-term three-prong strategy. The first one is the consolidation of their imperial holdings. Despite the loss of Brazil, Portugal still has colonial possessions in Africa and Asia, and they are investing greatly in reinforcing these, protecting them from the rapacious eyes of their competitors. In particular, their actions to subdue some of the Angolan and Mozambican tribes in the interior of the territory have met with criticism from other western powers, though generally this rarely goes beyond the occasional complaint from the press. Their navy is not up to speed with the other european empires, much to their chagrin, especially when compared to the hated Great Britain. Portugal still has a considerable percentage of their fleet composed of wood vessels, with a growing number of steamboats and ironclads. A lack of uniformity does harm the portuguese navy, though, as they have to purchase from anyone willing to sell to them. Thus, their ships are often old and outdated, not really capable of going toe to toe with other maritime powers, a matter difficult to overcome as they are.
>>97066538Another way for the sebastianists to expand across the globe is predication. The Sebastianist Gospel is a key element on foreign affairs, and Portugal has spread their missionaries throughout the globe. In this, they are finding considerably more success, as they can frequently blend in with the hundreds of catholic missions going every year to the deepest corners of Africa, Asia, America and the Pacific. There have been multiple recorded cases of European powers arriving at areas of Africa or islands on the Pacific unknown to them, and then realizing that they already have had contact with sebastianists. It has gotten to the point that the Holy See has received multiple petitions asking to reel sebastianists preachers in, though these are often ignored. This includes agarthan tribes, once again making the western powers wondering the true reach of the sebastianists faith. Finally, what the sebastianists cannot get by word or by coin, they plan to get by the sword. While the rest of the world powers are distracted in the deep, the sebastianists are preparing to expand across areas not truly claimed in Africa and Asia. There are growing whispers that Portugal is preparing a massive expedition towards North Africa, with many pointing to a Spanish-Portuguese alliance to do so. If so, this could enter into conflict with France, already well established in North Africa. Other areas of expansion could be the East Indies, though that could result in a clash with the Netherlands and Great Britain. As the state of the portuguese army is nowhere near on par with the other powers (both in numbers, training, equipment and experience), this option is the least appealing to them, but the strengthening of the nation’s military capabilities is a clear and stated goal of the portuguese monarchy.
On holiday eating many baked legfish today. Posts to follow.
>>97072173>baked legfishThat sounds delicious.
>>97072191Legfish are sentient creatures, sir! Would you eat a gorg? I hear Leopold II's men do. As for me, I will not engage in such monstrous barbarism, not when there are better delicacies like Thundermoles to have. Good day!
>>97072265How would you even cook a thundermole? I've heard that frying, boiling or roasting their meat results in dangerous discharges.
>>97066544>Portugal and the WorldAfter the British Betrayal and the Sebastianist Revelation, Portugal is in a considerably difficult spot in regards to their foreign diplomacy. While not as publicly ostracized as Vulcanist Italy in the eyes of many Europeans, on a practical sense, they are considerably more isolated than them. The play of the vulcanists to use their entrance to Agartha to solidify ties with Austria-Hungary and Germany has given Italy a considerably solid position in the grand scheme of things. As Portugal has none such equivalent, they cannot effectively negotiate with the other powers unless they accept a secondary position, something that the Fifth Empire would want to avoid.Most of Europe see Portugal as a weird anachronistic anomaly, a nation trapped in an almost medieval mysticism, though they at the very least maintain a cold but civil relation towards them. Germany has no love for the sebastianists, as the fight against the german catholics was a key element for their unification, and the religious scorn is still felt. However, Germany is known to have sold military-grade materiel to Portugal, though despite many offers, they have been denied naval pieces. France also sees Portugal as a strange thing, passively recognizing their existence so long as they can do business with them, though they generally keep themselves far from the Portuguese so as to not annoy the british. Italy sees Portugal as a laughing matter, and a proof that their overthrowing of the papists in favor of their pagan faith had been the right thing to do, least they all ended up like them. Austro-Hungarian relations with the portuguese have grown cold, mostly due to their rejection to the Pope and the creation of the Imperial Church.
>>97072481A strange case of friendship was found within the Neo Mughal Empire. At first glance, this seemed to be preposterous, or downright impossible. How could the deeply catholic sebastianists, seeking to unite the world in their faith, be amicable with the lemurian-influenced Indians, holders of a dozen dozens different strange faiths? However, it turned out that these two nations managed to find multiple points in common. The portuguese admired the neo-mughal’s success against the british, freeing their dominion from their clutches and wounding their empire in a way no one else has done this century. And as they already grapple with so many different faiths within their territory, sebastianist preachers are allowed to enter the nation, so long as don’t threaten the authority of the neo-mughal emperor. On their part, the neo-mughal see Sebastianists’ messianic tendencies as something similar to the prophetic lemurian teachings, and thus they enjoy debating about the eschatological nature of God, the divine and the universe. Plus, the Neo-Mughal’s old deal with Portugal in regards to non-intervention back during the days of the Sepoy Rebellion still holds up, with Goa, Diu and Daman still being recognized as a portuguese cities. The fact that a great deal of indian produce can come to Europe through Portugal is a fact the sebastianists love to boast, especially when in the presence of the british.
>>97072491>Portugal and the Catholic WorldThe strongest diplomatic ties the Sebastianists have are with the other catholic nations. Despite its strange nature, Sebastianists still consider themselves as catholic, and as such, have a great level of deference to the Pope. On his part, the Papacy cannot just accept Sebastianism as is, as many of its tenants clash with other catholic nations (plus the recognition of King Sebastian as some sort of messianic figure could be seen as blasphemous in many circles). However, the sebastianists’ great zeal and tendency towards direct action is greatly appreciated in an age where Catholicism is under attack from many sources. Portugal aided the Ethiopian Crusade, though they never truly saw combat. Portugal had also received a great deal of catholic migration from other parts of Europe during the decades before the Sebastianist Revelation, but after the appearance of the Holy Kingdom of Portugal, many of these exited the nation, in case this new faith would result in further threats to their way of life.
>>97072531In particular, Spain is by far the biggest partner of Sebastianist Portugal. The carlists’ initial aid to the miguelist pretender after the Sebastianist Revelation, the historical ties between the two and the shared fate of being two old empires suffering great difficulties to adapt to the industrial age makes them obvious allies. They often support each others’ claims in the other continents, and the rumored expedition to expand south of the Strait of Gibraltar could see them divide the areas of the Moroccan coast divided between the two. Spain has even helped the portuguese in the industrial side of things, often being the intermediate between them and foreign businesses. However, behind that apparent collaboration, lies a darker side. Both sides greatly distrust one another: Portugal sees the carlists as too soft, accepting certain liberal conditions despite their promises of restoring the catholic tradition in full. Plus, the sebastianists promise to join Christianity together under one banner, and what better place to start than restoring the old Iberian Union, but now under portuguese leadership? On their part, the Spanish Carlists see the Portuguese Sebastianists as zealots, too deep in their bohemian ways to be true faithful. They also recognize that Portugal is going to end up competing with them for the expansion across the areas they could both colonize, and the attempts of sebastianist preachers entering Spanish colonies or even the national territory itself are more the direct mandate of Lisbon than mere private initiative. Thus, both of them are preparing themselves in case a conflict ever arises.
>>97072540Another important relation Portugal has is with Brazil. Despite the somewhat amicable ties between Portugal and its former colony, sharing the same royal dynasty and all, the victory of the miguelists and the exile of the Luis I to the Brazilian court has put a serious damp on the relationship between the two. Even more problematic, sebastianists preachers have been caught infiltrating the nation multiple times, and has caused the Brazilian government to threaten an outright ban their branch of Catholicism if this continues. However, it is difficult for the Brazilian government to watch over all their territory, especially the deep Amazonian jungles, where the sebastianists try to preach to the unknown tribes who live there. This is also compounded by many reports that sebastianists cells are trying to set up a base of operations in areas near the Paraguayan border, now fully blockaded after the Paraguayan War. Should that prove true, it could cause not only a diplomatic break between Portugal and Brazil, but also a serious conflict with the entirety of the PACT nations.
>>97072545>Portugal and Great BritainFew cases of diplomatic fallout have been more catastrophic without ending up in a war than that of the Portugal and Great Britain. The British Ultimatum of 1873 turned out to be the final nail in the coffin from what was, up to that point, the oldest alliance between two european nations. The direct fallout from that was the rise of the sebastianist cult and the birth of the Holy Kingdom of Portugal, who has taken the old adage of “Perfidious Albion” to heart. Even outside of the sebastianist circles, all portuguese see the british as betrayers and backstabbers. There could be an argument that the non-sebastianist portuguese, both in hiding or in exile, hate the british more than the actual sebastianists, as they are directly responsible for the fate befallen to their country. On their part, the hate for the british is one of the cornerstones of the sebastianist government. In their eyes, they are the dragon that ought to be slayed before the arrival of promised deliverance. However, the stark reality of the sheer difference in wealth, power and difference is impossible to avoid. Great Britain is the leading power of the world, and even the loss of India has not resulted in their fall, as their immense industrial strength and control over the seas has kept them on the lead. Any direct confrontation between Great Britain and Portugal would end up in total disaster, with the loss of their remaining colonies and the fall of the sebastianist regime. However, this difference in power also works in Portugal’s advantage, since the british are too preoccupied in other fronts to pay attention to Lisbon. As such, Portugal has developed a policy of sabotage and subterfuge, seeking to erode the empire from within and from without.
>>97072552Portugal is well known to fund and hide enemies of Great Britain, despite the Lisbon government denying all accusations. From old malcolmites to irish rebels to Danish revanchists, and even some native nationalists, they are believed to be funding with weapons and money many of these movements all around the British Empire, and even hiding certain individuals within their colonial holdings. The wide spread of the Portuguese Empire, while small in comparison to that of Britain, allows these units a wide range of operations, all while hiding as merchants of different origins and nationalities. Some of these acts may include kidnapping, sabotage of infrastructure, robbery, promotion of rebellions and terrorism, anti-british propaganda, piracy, espionage… The biggest event was the “1880’s Portsmouth Incident”, where an analytical engine was stolen from the Royal Navy Dockyards. The search lasted two days, after which four men were discovered trying to smuggle the device onto an unidentified ship. The men were quickly detained, but before the vessel could be taken over, the crew set it on fire and took their own lives, leaving no trace of documentation that could point to the culprit. The prisoners were also found dead three days later, having apparently taken some hidden poison, though the details of these events are scarce. Suspicion immediately fell upon Portugal, though lack of evidence prevented further action.
>>97072558On their part, Great Britain is becoming quite frustrated with the actions of the Holy Kingdom of Portugal. While the british are indeed more focused on bigger issues, there have been a number of voices that are calling to punish Portugal for its interference in british affairs. As they see it, it would not take much effort to take on the aged portuguese fleet, and then restore a liberal regime in the country, especially knowing that Portugal has little to no friends that would intercede for them. This would also come with the benefit of taking over the nation’s remaining colonies in Africa and Asia, with Goa being particularly sought after, since it could serve as a starting point for a return to India. Some warier voices remember the damage an asymmetrical war can cause against a strong opponent, having seeing it themselves in the Peninsular War, and with Sebastianism (and more importantly, the hatred for the british) well established within Portugal’s colonies, they would not be able to actually keep these territories, which could end up as part of a rival’s empire. In the end, the fact that Portugal has managed to hide its actions against Great Britain ultimately prevents a war, though many believe that an excuse is all they need to actually finish the Sebastianist threat once and for all.
>>97072568>Portugal and AgarthaAs many other countries, Portugal is going into great lengths to find an entrance to the deep. However, unlike others, this goes beyond the mere colonial expansion for profits and glory. For Portugal, expansion across Agartha is a moral duty, an obligation to bring the light of Sebastianism to those who are yet in the dark. As such, Portugal is scouring their African domains for a chance to find an agarthan entrance, now that the Leopard’s Mouth proved not to be the hoped for discovery. Even without an entrance, Portugal has managed to arrive to the worlds below, with multiple sebastianist missions having been identified across the unclaimed areas of the deep. In particular, there have been more than one Portuguese missionary recalled to the Papacy and back to Portugal in areas of Basse Abyssinie, due to the discovery of them harboring anti-british operations, something that could cause problems for both France and the Papacy, though Lisbon has publicly washed their hands when this was discovered. Whether this results in a hidden empire, bound by faith in deliverance at the hands of the lost king, time will tell.
Map anon we spoke of a game today to test out Hyperborea, however I'm burnt, had to pull a double yesterday, if you are available this weekend anytime, let me know I'll be there no matter the time.
Added the Portugal book and tokens, unless I missed it the Sebastianist Preacher wasn't among the token you loaded on the Discord, if you have it handy, I'll take it, otherwise it'll be two minutes to recut. I believe Alexandre is missing LP, unless its supposed to be a counterpoint to the faction having access to a few other source of it through specialists. > Portugal outswarms the MorlocksNow that'll be a fight to watch out for.
HYPERWAR CULT RAID 149Hyperwarmonger 15 (35)Memory Gun 3Hyperhalberd 4Born to Lead 3Bombastic 4 (range bonus to Cognitohazard)Pigheaded 3Ineffable Strife 35x Hyperwarrior 12 (75)Ray Rifles 2Ext PAIN acc. 1Lightsplitter Sabre Free3x Soul-Fuel Sacrifice 3 (9)5x Skin Slave 1 (5)1x Big Brain (25)As a few Epigeans are learning, Hyperborea is not a monolithical entity, bound by a single will. Dissension and strife seems to abound between the different factions, and no subject is as touchy as the exact moment of the Deluge. In the years leading up to the event, restraining the Hyperwar cults requires almost as much effort as preparing for the Invasion itself. And it isn't always successful. This Hyperwarmonger has seen innumerable iteration of the Loop and crushed the Denizens of the 2nd as many times. First, there was the Atlantean false start, then the South American debacle, and now the Historicals are trying to be clever and want to build relations with some weird chinese student movement and wait a decade more before letting him wreck the place? He's got a colony of Mindworms growing out of his skull at the thought. Unable to contain his desire for the HYPERWAR, he assembles a small crew of similarly impatient WARRIORS and the slave support necessary for fuel, and infiltrates the lower layers, ready to take on anyone. The Big Brain is there to try and convince him to come back, I guess. (The gimmick here is to use Existential PAIN right at the start of the first turn, hope to fail the Strength test on the Skinslave Geneflayed rule, generate 2 PAIN per failed test, then have Walls lined up and also fail your Excavation test, generating another PAIN, then the WARRIORS have all the PAIN tokens necessary to both get all their bonus on Activation, and gather them. Might remove 1 Warrior and rework the Traits to add both Hyperagent & Moons of Limbo.)
>>97080419>the Sebastianist Preacher wasn't among the tokenMy bad. It is now on the discord.
>>97080419>I believe Alexandre is missing LP,Nope, I imagine is abilities are pretty strong as they are now, I hadn't thought of giving him LD skills.
Alright, I'm actually done with the Tsardom lore thing now. I am NOT dumping this post by post.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P3XMceye71DmEieBnL0zQvEa3H3eEkPvE-9WPwRi7ns/edit?usp=sharingYes, I can't write for shit but I had to try.I believe I included everything others wanted me to include.If I didn't, I'm sorry.If I broke someone else's lore, I'm sorry.If something about the technology sounds wrong you're probably right to think that.Mapanon, I changed the Constantinople expedition a bit, because, like I said, Skobelev would not be a general at the time. Also you might want to either move the Vladiagartsk colonial borders further to the West or redraw the nearby river for it to make sence.>28 FUCKING PAGES?It's 6 pages of writefaggotry, the rest is meant for like 4 wiki pages (main + colonies + probably Voudou Poles) and it could use more editing, I imagine. Also I think Libre Baskerville makes things look bigger, but it's the canon font cmon.
>>97081578It doesn't let me open it. Have you set it to public?
>>97081601Does it work now?
>>97081611Yes, thanks. I'll read it now.
>>97081391Its added! >>97081395Ok, that's kinda what I thought, it made sense. Awesome job on the example images provided with the units, it makes the Procession a lot easier to understand. Gonna try to put some order to Satsuma/Japan as well as work on some maps today.
Finished the HYPERPYRAMID token. Also, a bit of a question for the thread. After I made the spanish and portuguese books, I was thinking of updating and expanding the Taiping book, but I don't know if the anon who initially made it is still around. If you are, would you mind if I tweak some of the units in the book, to make them more in line with the other books?
>>97081578Ok, I've finished reading the writeup. A couple of questions.>A considerably more focused TsarI thought that the idea of Alexander getting the Eye was him focusing more and more in the agarthan stuff, thus somewhat neglecting the politics above, and thus fueling the problems the Tsardom would suffer the longer time goes on. This version seems much more focused into the actual workings on the nation. >Voodoo polish in the open in FranceAre the voodoo polish catholics in the open? I imagine that they would be cracked down everywhere, seeing as their strange rituals and powers would be seen as distasteful or downright dangerous everywhere.Especially after Paraguay and the Second Oriental Crisis, nobody is going to like mystical supernatural stuff in the surface. >Voodoo polish enclave in AfricaWhere, exactly? Is it a mystery, or something of public knowledge?>"Later on, the Avignon-Vienna Schism caused a massive crisis of faith in the Catholic world"I would rephrase it as "within the Austro-Hungarian Empire" or "in Eastern Europe". I don't think the birth of Imperial Christianism is that big of a deal when compared to all other events in the setting.>The Tsardom expedition to IstambulSo instead of being led by Skobelev, it's led by Gurko. Then the sinking happens, coronel Skobeleb survives, the Anabasis happens and he is then promoted as general?>Okhrana as the result of the assassination attemptMakes sense.>Jawecki submersiblesI thought the first successful military russian sub was the Delfin in the early 1900s, and the first russian sub is the Drzewiecki in late 1880s. I cannot find anything about the Jawecki.
>>97088130>The Tsar's Eye being grafted in the 1877.I was imagining that the Eye was installed much earlier, almost immediately after the attack, and that it was a life-saving measure, accepting the unknown effects of the eye as a worthwile risk. Considering that he lost a great chunk of his head, would he have survived so long with those kinds of wounds with the medical tech at the time? Also, if we keep the "the Tsar is too busy with Agartha", maybe he hired Mikhail Loris-Melikov to deal with the politics of the nation above, and he is the driving force of the more liberal reforms. >The agrarian reformsI was missing something like "To reduce the needs of the now landless peasants and to increase the development of the colonies below, the Tsardom is giving away parcels of land to those peasants who promise to work them for at least X amount of years". It was a policy typical of the 19th century on many countries, and considering the Tsar's desire to develop their agarthan outposts as fast as possible, it could make sense. Hell, the driving of so many people below might cause problems for the burgeoning industry, as they don't have enough manpower to develop at the same rate as the other powers. And also it could be a big point of contention between the Melikov and the more traditional nobility, who saw giving free land to the peasants as a very bad example and a threat, thus possibly conspiring against him.>Socialists and anarchists in the TsardomKeeping these groups out of Agartha is probably one of the Tsar's big goals, though if that were the case, would be smart to keep Kitezh' prison camps as they are?
>>97088133>French, Belgian, British and German, flowing into the Tsardom to take advantage of the cheap labour and raw materialsThat makes me wonder, did the Kaiser ask the Tsardom access to Agartha in exchange of industrial development or payment like they did with Paris? I imagine some negotiations like that could have been possible, but the Tsar might have said no, after some weird eye vision.>Wapaq as medicine for deep drunkennessI thought deep drunkenness was more a malady of the soul, rather than a clinical disease.>“rocket infantry”Are these flying soldiers? It could be a fun unit, though with a random risk of explosion.>"have already proved themselves useful in the conflicts with the Yazata"So there have been Yazata vs Tsardom clashes? This needs more development.>Icebreakers and the change in the riversCould you explain a bit more how do you want the rivers connecting Mnemosynia and the entrance? Also, is Kitzeh so cold they need the ice breakers to go through? I thought that area was still covered in jungle, or at least it was green most of the time.>BelovodyeIs that how the Tsardom calls Agartha?>The Yaluga in VladiagartskCan you show me a rough draft of how you want the river to look like?
>>97088130> This version seems much more focused into the actual workings on the nation.And this is bad?>Voodoo stuffNot really my idea, I just wanted to give them some fluff from my end. I don't know where people wanted the African settlement to be, exactly.>I imagine that they would be cracked down everywhere, seeing as their strange rituals and powers would be seen as distasteful or downright dangerous everywhere.I don't necessarily agree, and if there's a place where this might fly, it's Paris. France has always been harboring all sorts of revolutionaries and fugitives, and the idea of Vodou Poles having knife fights with the Catholic exiles in the Parisian slums is kino.>SchismYeah, that's fair.>Expedion to IstanbulYes, exactly.>Drzewiecki subsYeah, I misspelled his name lol.
>>97088532>And this is bad?Not really, just surprised at the change of direction. I had the image of the almost random visions causing him to be somewhat erratic in regards to Agartha, and this was causing the tensions within the Tsardom against him. In this, the growing tensions need to come from somewhere else, as he seems as he is accepting many of the populations' liberal demands, albeit slowly.> France has always been harboring all sorts of revolutionaries and fugitivesThat's fair, but if there are rumors that the voodoo cult practices things such as cannibalism, there's no way they wouldn't crack down on it. Also, if France has to have the Tsardom as an ally, they wouldn't allow such an anti-Tsardom force just be in the open. They could be hidden somewhere else in French Agartha, not everything has to be Paris, and it would be considerably harder to find and investigate.
>>97088562>>97088532>>97088133Narodniks were a longstanding group or leaning of people by this period FYI. Usually they failed because despite some being the bourgeoisie or lower noblemen, akin to Junkers, most were the type in the civilian industry that their parents had made their bones in, like clothes, food or some other generica. Hence when they inevitably got arrested by the russian authorities it didn't cause too much a stir as the parents would run things as usual and just raise another heir. What the narodniks were more dangerous for was the spreading of rhetoric and anti-imperial sentiment over the course of decades, which only got worse by the period of the early 1900's. Most of the middle class were sympathetic or neutral towards a constitutional monarchy or republic by the period of the November revolution but were not receptive at all to the bolshevik violence especially when the intentional arson and vandalism against stores and factories happened.
>>97088133>The Tsar's Eye being grafted in the 1877>Considering that he lost a great chunk of his headWhen was that ever explicitly stated? I don't really mind it happening earlier, but I feel some period of uncertainty, followed by the sudden change works better story-wise and with the integration of the historical late 70s crisis. It also parallels Alexander's historical waverings.>I was missing something like "To reduce the needs of the now landless peasants and to increase the development of the colonies below, the Tsardom is giving away parcels of land to those peasants who promise to work them for at least X amount of years".No issue, the intention was very much for some kind of deal like that.>Hell, the driving of so many people below might cause problems for the burgeoning industry, as they don't have enough manpower to develop at the same rate as the other powersOnce again, this is the exact opposite of the problems the Tsardom faced historically. They did not have a shortage of manpower, but an excess of rural population cucked out of land that couldn't be absorbed by the backwards industry. Try as he might, Alexander II can't just will factories into existence, so this problem isn't going anywhere. But since he also wants to settle Agartha, dumping the peasantry there is a no-brainer.>>97088141>Icebreakers and the change in the riversYou're mixing up two different things. To get to the Verkhoyansk entrance and to Kitezh you have two options:1. Trek across Siberia2. Swim across the Arctic options.Neither is paricularly appealing, but one of them is made significantly easier with the icebreakers.The change of the river I was referring to was about Vladiagartsk on Pangea. As it is right now, the colony is right to the side of the already exisitng river you've drawn, which is perfect for the Yaluga/Green River.
>>97088674>New RiversSomething like this?>When was that ever explicitly stated?It was in the timeline description, though this is easily changed, so no big issue.
>>97088674So something like this? Going through the sea, then up the Lena river, then as close to the entrance as they can navigate, then on train up to the entrance?
>>97088133>Keeping these groups out of Agartha is probably one of the Tsar's big goals, though if that were the case, would be smart to keep Kitezh' prison camps as they are?The funniest part of /eadsttcoteg/ is having to justify things that actually happened. Exile was the go-to method of punishment in the Tsardom for these kinds of elements because it was a way to populate the hostile frontiers while most of the population was either straight up bound to the land or, post-emancipation, held back by the empire's dogshit logistics and, well, the fact that people didn't want to go there still.Politicals specifically were often skilled and educated and often used that to improve the local conditions, with the administration even coming to rely on them at times. Like a quarter of late 19th-early 20th century imperial intellectual biographies start with them joining a student revolutionary organization, getting exiled to bumfuck nowhere and then using their time there to study local plants, animals, minerals, cultures, working as scribes, schoolteachers, doctors etc.The exile, outside of forced labor, was also ridiculously lax, with the administration mostly relying on sheer isolation to prevent escape, since their often lacked ability to do that effectively. And it worked, mostly. Sure, some people escaped, but the system as a whole kept chugging along. It may seem retarded, it kind of was, but it was a historically contingent and accurate kind of retardation. So we have an Agarthan colony UNDER Siberia, conditions equal if not worse, and you expect the Tsardom to manage without the tried and true? I think not. And it is an interesting Tsardom-specific dynamic to explore within the lore and the game scenarios. I suppose I should specify the colony would still be majority non-criminal non-exile element, just like everywhere else, barring maybe Sakhalin.
Also, another thing to consider is that, given the vague apocalyptic threat to the Surface that Alexander may gleam from the visions, my idea was that he wants just as much presense below as possible, so that the colonies can serve as a fallback line when needed or to support further a deeper expeditions for whatever he seeks (I kept things vague for any future ideas). It's largely irrelevant how this presence is gained in the grand scheme of things, but there's also a pretty clear demarcation here between Valdiagartsk and Belovodye in terms of who goes where. To follow this line of thought>>97088141>That makes me wonder, did the Kaiser ask the Tsardom access to Agartha in exchange of industrial development or payment like they did with Paris? I imagine some negotiations like that could have been possible, but the Tsar might have said no, after some weird eye vision.It would depend on what exactly they'd ask. A colony? No. Expeditions? Maybe. Investments? Yes, please, give us MORE capital, fucking LAY those rails, specifically here and here, don't ask why.>I thought deep drunkenness was more a malady of the soul, rather than a clinical disease.It is, but the line gets blurred in Agartha. I imagine vapaccine (and other remedies) might have equally supernatural "stabilizing" effects that prevent the Deep from "pressurizing" and "depressurizing" your soul and your general onthological makeup.>Are these flying soldiers? It could be a fun unit, though with a random risk of explosion.That was the intention.>Is that how the Tsardom calls Agartha?Specifically that region on the Third Layer.>>97088747>>97088799Yes, these work.
And finally>In this, the growing tensions need to come from somewhere else, as he seems as he is accepting many of the populations' liberal demands, albeit slowly.The tensions are very much there and you've correctly inferred some of them like>it could be a big point of contention between the Melikov and the more traditional nobility, who saw giving free land to the peasants as a very bad example and a threat, thus possibly conspiring against him.Aristocrats would hate the agrarian reform for that reason, the waving of debts is also a bad precedent (even though the aristocrats got their money anyway), dissolving the communes will make the peasants harder to control (or so they'd *think* in the 80s, but 1905 kinda BTFO that notion IRL). Also, historically, Alexander III created separate Aristocratic and Peasant Land Banks, with the first one often keeping mismanaged aristocratic holdings on life support. They would not be given the same special treatment here, so the long-term Land Banks policy will naturally tend towards brokering the sale of mismanaged and poor estates to the peasantry or to the more enterprising landowners. Coupled with the rest of the reforms, there's now a wide split between the reactionary and "enlightened" wings of the autocracy, and here's where prince Alexander comes in.But also the reforms are mild and ultimately still autocratic, so there'd still be liberal opposition, agrarian reform, as described would create some grievances among the peasantry as well, urging Narodniks to start reconstituting themselves into proto-SRs, and the industrial development will be fraught with the same challenges and conflicts as IRL. The rumors that the Tsar operates on "it was revealed to me in a dream" logic probably won't do him a lot of favors.I'm sorry if this was not articulated clearly, I dragged this for too long, it got too fucking big and I wanted to get something out already.
I haven't read the Tsardom lore yet. Because I am a lazy piece of shit.How much lore have we had to make so far just to justify me giving him a random golden eye one million years ago?
>>97089554Hey, it's all good, I had fun writing it.
>>97089397It's fine, will you add it to the wiki? I can add it myself if you want. Also, I'll re-check the timeline to add some of the important dates in your writeup.Also, what will you work on now that this bit is done? I'm thinking of preparing some lore for the neo-mughal, as it is one of the big pieces of the lore, yet we know little other than it exists and that it's influenced by Lemuria. I'd probably try a stab at it soon, but between the rule books, completing the spanish lore and the Tourist Guide (I'm working on it, I swear), it's going to take a while until I get to it. I can try to get something basic done by next weekend, and then we could try to complete or fill the gaps, as indian story is not one of my fortes.
>>97089676I'll add it tommorrow or day after.>Also, what will you work on now that this bit is done?I'll finish the remaining Tsardom units, after that, who knows, I'm kinda burnt out and I'd like to give the others space to work on their stuff.
>>97089713That's fair. Do you need help with the art for the units?
>>97089945I was going too look some up, but feel free to suggest some yourself.
>>97089954Which units need art?
>>97089676>Neo-MughalLet me know if you want a repost of the Sepoy and Brahmin units I did from the chart. They never made it into any books I think.
>>97090172Sure. Though again, it's probably going to take some time until I can get to it.
>>97088747Wait, I just noticed. I didn't mean you to literally copy those lines and make new rivers lol. The green line was the proposal for extending the border, the red line for cutting off. The eastern new river works, but remove the one you added in the west.
>>97091268I assume drawing rivers is easier, since you won't have to move shit btw.
>>97091310>>97091268Like this?
>>97092101Yeah, that was the original plan + some land on the other bank. But at this point we don't need the eastern tributary you've added. I mean, you probably painted the original rivers with some logic in mind, right?
>>97092157>you probably painted the original rivers with some logic in mind, right?I respected the rivers from the original map, and took into account the height of the geography and the shape of the seas. Beyond that, they are somewhat random.
>>97081578Everyone's getting subs these days, eh? I'll include them when/if I get around to a writeup about submarines in Agartha.Quite a good read, I appreciate the Wapaq coming back from Chart Obscurity. Speaking of the chart, what are your thoughts on the blurb for the Steppe Rider unit saying they're looking for Genghis Khan?Also, The Dracon. Is he just a rabidly anti-Ottoman guy from the Danubians or are vampires real and canonical?There's a unit for Nicholas Miklouho-Maclay in the unit doc, and I've had an idea for a while for a unit themed around the Artel where you could choose between a geologist, mycologist, or ethnologist like with the Aeronaut. Let me know if you would like to see any of the above worked in.Finally: Jump Man is real and from the Tsardom?
>>97080419Could you put the new books on the mediafire when you have a spare moment? Right now the only way to easily get them in PDF form is to use that most wretched of applications.
>>97098045How many nations would have actual, military-grade subs, though? The germans have the Unterseeboot and the Spanish have the Peral, but from what I've read, nations such as France and the Tsardom have non-armed submarines. Not sure if I've missed other examples.
>>97098299Libertalia has one, more accurately one sub has Libertalia. Atlan has some of questionable functionality, and some of the merc factions like the Golden Syndicate may have recreations of the Fenian Ram or a version of the Sub Marine Explorer pearl diving ship.Also the Netherlands but I try not to mention them to delay someone making the inevitable netherlands faction book for as long as possible.I think figuring out the specifications of each (especially the Uboats) and how/where they're used would be a lark.
>>97098317>Also the Netherlands but I try not to mention them to delay someone making the inevitable netherlands faction book for as long as possible.We'd need their lore first. And genuinely don't know what their angle could be.
>>97098327Their angle is safety bikes. Also maybe the N.E.T.E.C since that one is kind of a fusion of the British EIC and some other groups, being ill-defined as it is.But I'd prefer to define the non-Mu Saur Clans from the chart as a faction before the Netherlands personally.
