>>97020576
Oh yeah, there’s that too. I don’t mind interacting with other splats, but the frequency of how it happens is making me question if there are enough woofs to keep the thread going

>>97020654
No it's a handful of weaver spirits & mages & whatever being smug & not contributing much of anything to progress any sort of plot. Just circle jerking. Then we have the issue of "wants to talk about a plot but not pull the trigger" where nothing actually happens.

There is
Fox Catcher/Redpaw double posting (its fine im not saying this is much of a problem)
Screamer
Crimson Striped Hide
Johnny Two Dicks

Thats it. No one else posting with names, no one else trying to interact outside of shitposting. How the hell are you supposed to hold a conversation with that?

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>>97020719
Is that buttcrack off center

>>97020762
Eh, I try to be consistent but I just don't have a mind for making and naming characters the same way. Might consider it soon ish though
>>97020821
Yeah I understand the complaint there don't worry

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How do I hook up with a female Get of Fenris?

>>97020977
Be forthright, genuine, and the kind of person who would lose limbs or otherwise suffer horrible injury for the cause and yet persist.

>>97020977
You'd need to be pretty strong, mentally and physically I would assume
>>97021123
That willingful self-sacrifice stint isn't quite Get though but I think this is pretty good too

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>>97019943
>But the Tzimisce got the better facelift, mostly because it's easier to create a new mystical weirdo vs. something as broad as the "ruler" clan. So the Lasombra are a bit more redundant to the Ventrue than the Tzimisce are to the Tremere.
>Lasombra as their evil-er counterpart. Similar to how the Tzimisce were the Tremere's counterparts
I really think the solution to is to pivot Lasombra hard into the shadow manipulator witch king trope, meddling with otherworldly forces that rather than being infernal like the Baali, are Abyssal, Eldritch, the absence of light rather than the opposition to it. Expand upon shadow deals trying to contain and control the Abyss and its creatures (which require more elaboration), let them have spooky rituals and expeditions for treasures of the Void, let them become vessels of the thing they think they control or cast their enemies into the pit. Tie in the deep sea/sailor angle for Lovecraft points and the thalassophobia of Subnautica, let the Mariner Gangrel have someone else to play off of, rip off The Darkness or Dark Souls for a sentient primal force before creation that wants to expand and devour. THAT is how you make them distinct from the Ventrue.

Could a Mummy with 8 dot hekau attributes in their physicals take on a Garou?

Could they use Nomenclature to turn a garou's fur/skin silver? I know at 5 dots they can delete a vampires heart.

>>97020719
>tattoos
Ruined.

>>97020821
I like the one Weaver spirit that may or may not be the Science incarna, but yeah. There’s also the ones who come from /schreck/ as well
>>97020977
Beat her in a arm wrestling contest

>>97021280
>Science Incarna
Bratty spirit disobeying Mother's will, needs Machine correction and Patriarch reeducation

>>97021280
If it was just him & we maybe had 3 other garou it wouldnt be so bad. The other problem is samefagging. I think we have maybe 4-5 posters total, the rest just using different names. Like Fox Catcher/Redpaw is fine cause he's sort of doing a mentor/apprentice with himself & its obvious. But i think some people are just desperate for attention/engagement so they spam shit posts with no name.

Just my thoughts, maybe im just paranoid.

Since we're on the topic of RP, what character ideas do you have for a theoretical multi-splat thread that would be a very funny clusterfuck

>>97021332
Part of the fun I had personally with the original RP a few threads back was shitposting/expanding on it but I try not to repeat myself too much. I get what you're talking about though though I think it's more than just me no-naming though I try to keep my stuff relatively unspammy

>>97021371
I think the most core ones would be
>Tremere trying hard not to be seen as a backstabber even though he is(maximum seething)
>Red Talon/Shadow Lord/Get hater of humans
>Risen pretending to be a Hunter
alternatively
>Hunter pretending he isn't a normal human
>Changeling quirky character trying hard to steer conversations away from politics and the economy
I figure you would need a mage but a multisplat group fundamentally needs a tremmy, a mage, and a human hater Garou for maximum clusterfuck

>>97021244
That'd be so much better. It baffles me how the mystics, in their own clan, are kept at the fringes. They have access to a power that they aren't just uniquely suited for but their overall drive is perfect for pluming its depth. Sybil should be much more terrifying than the ghost she is. He'll Sybil, Boukephos, and Blue Eye should be utilized more for the mystics.

>>97020719
>TQ
Do you mean the criminal underworld? Because if so... no not even once. Mafias are baby's first conspiracy, so they're at best pawns and fodder for the real players. Don't get me wrong in say, Vampire, it's good to have an "organized crime" guy or two, but organized criminals are not the big dogs. And crime syndicates within most supernatural societies are redundant at best. The numbers involved are usually so small that you can't fade into the background or hide behind plausible deniability, even the vampire population of a major city is the same population as a tiny cozy village at best. Everyone knows each other. Besides which, if you're going far enough to be a conspiracy within a conspiracy you could do so much better than mobshit.

>>97021244
Yeah, my table moved into this direction. Not a full-on rewrite, but emphasizing the abyss, abyss mysticism, and the fact that the Lasombra definition of power does not necessitate leadership/rulership per se. Their earliest nights had them as civilization's despoilers, the "master manipulator" shtick was a medieval invention when they tried to move into the power vacuum.

>>97021402
>Sybil should be much more terrifying than the ghost she is.
She's such a weird, contradictory lore stub. presumably because she's tied to Marcus Vitel's nonsense But in the case of a Methuselah, I view that as a good opportunity rather than a problem. We actually used what little there was on her as the loose basis for an antagonist in a game of ours. Obviously we couldn't directly stop a Methuselah, but we could foil her plans and run damage control.

>>97021395
We should include a mage or someone like that trying (and failing) to convince other that endlessly fight won't solve anything. Not all responses would have to be hostile but I'd be a nice way to give each splat's persepctive on others

>>97021497
Yeah that's a good point too, though I figure that's what the more normie character like a Hunter or maybe a less conniving clan of vampire is for, as a Mage is probably way too deep in his beliefs to really push that everyone has their own reasons

>>97021514
It could be a rookie mage that skill has to learn as to how the universe really works but you're right, someone relatively new to the supernatural would probably be the sanest and least jaded of all.

>>97021497
Can't have a WoD multisplat without political agitators
>"Trust le basedence" technocrat arguing with "drink ze cum potion" traditionalist
>Brujah shifting between political idiologies every thread
>Pentex subsidiary advertisers
>Hunters coming up with shizo theories
>hunters throwing shit at other hunter groups

>>97021484
Oh she's definitely kinda constrained by Vitel's remaining threads. But even those would fit her being one of the Mystic Methuselah. Could have some fun about Vitel's shadow possessing him at Sybil's behest. Caine love Montano and Gratiano but they're too involved with sect politics if they're even remembered to be the mystics that they supposedly are.
Tersa or Xarca are at least blank enough that they could be worked into legendary mystics

>>97021537
That's a good idea yeah, could be a rookie mage to cause even more seething in the Tremere or something
>>97021575
>Technocrat AND a traditionalist in the same game
>Pentex and Schizo Hunters
Sounds like it spirals down into Dark Tetrad-tier backstabbing as soon as the 2nd session. I'd play a game about the Brujah though, seems Disco-esque

>>97021647
>Disco-esque
Harry is actually a changeling / marauder mage

>>97021599
In my opinion, Vitel is best left as a pile of ash rather than being the subject of further asspulls, including and especially BJD/V5's "somehow... Marcus Vitel returned" bullshit. He had the greatest Elder Moment of all time and tried to boom the planet because he thought he understood how nukes work, but really didn't. seriously I can't overstate how monumentally retarded his plan was Now he's gone. It also frees his mystery box sire up to exist independent of his bullshit and be expanded on as a proper character with her own shit going on.

Which was the angle we took at my table.

>>97021371
>Manic pixie dream girl Changeling thats all sparkles & glitter & doesnt feel like she belongs with the rest of the group.
>Aging cowboy/samurai type garou ronin, that watched his whole sept get destroyed. Lots of sad moments & cold rage
>Brooding Risen ripping of the Crow but if a good way, combat buddies with the garou, constantly giving each other shit
>Scheming Tremere who everyone thinks is constantly going to backstab & betray them but he's actually the most loyal. He comes off as super serious but has a soft spot for the Changeling, going out of his way to protect her (eventually they sort of get together)
>Mummy Stuffy English Librarian who's a bit if a coward but always pulls through. His Amenti soul is a badass Egyptian Chad who occasionally features.
>Mage hippie witch that thinks she's the "real world practical one" of the group but mostly just softly bullies the Changeling girl & puts her down. Constantly argues & devalues the others, but she also fails to do anything without them
>Occasional "sixth ranger" Etherite guy who just pops in & out. A "Tally ho" adventurer type who's a bro.
Everyone is fighting Pentex who uses the whole gamut against them

>>97021678
Harry could just be a Malkavian thinblood too hopped on drugs to notice his skin burning too

>>97021575
I WILL call the Arcanum out for being cucks and not real hunters and they WON'T do anything about it

Gonna be the wet blanket here and ask the obvious.

Do you guys even have enough posters for this cross-splat what the fuck idea? Because the thread began with one dude saying that you don't have enough for just one splat.

>>97021813
Doesnt he take damage from the light when you first start?

>>97021794
This is a pretty kino adventure party though as a Yoko Taro enjoyer
>Risen serial killer who clearly learned nothing as a Wraith
>Depressed Garou Glass Walker half way into becoming a BSD following the death of his family
>Changeling instigator arsonist
>Ventrue that can only feed on little girls
>Black Occultist Hunter sorcerer obsessed with becoming a Tremere
>Mage religious zealot Chorister
>Demon trying (and often failing) to direct them to stop a Nephandus plot from destroying the world
>They all hate each other but they hate other people more
>80% of the cast dies by the end
>Chorister ascends and the world just becomes Vatican-land as a bad ending
>potential good ending where the Chorister learns he actually liked those negroes

>>97021880
He takes damage from turning on the light yeah but it's a bulb and not a natural sunlight
>>97021867
This is pure hypothetical, it's just for fun. Both of the ideas I wrote are more along the lines of for a video game but my irl friends originally wanted to do a cross-splat session though I've no idea how to balance it

Kuei-jin women are built for Big Akashic Cock

Anyone have any good stories about players shittin they pants while playing [Insert game name]? Lol
Happened to me once playing [Insert game name] with a [Insert game faction name] autist once lol

>>97021914
>implying that any self respecting akashic would willingly ejaculate away their power

>>97022014
>he doesn’t perform tantric sex with supernaturals to get quintessence

>>97022088
Ecstatic detected, opinions disregarded. True Akashics practice semen retention, even the ancient Egyptians knew this.

>>97021716
Very understandable. What did Sybil get up to in your game? If you don't mind me asking.

>>97022088
>He doesn't get his primal energy from wagies in cages
NGMI in the Ascension war

>>97022141
How do you channel energies from wagies in a cage? Is this some weird milking machine thing? A Matrix of them even?

>>97022204
You'd need a degree in Hypereconomics to understand. you literally work wagies to the bone, the harder they work the more primal energy you can harvest from them. That or at 5 dots of primal utility you can literally liquidate living assets

>>97021938
... What?

>>97022204
>having sex
You get to fuck one person
>forcing your indentured servants to clock in every day
You get to fuck hundreds, if not thousands of people at the same time

Just simple math

>>97022263
Jeremy, what did I tell you about using non-reality compliant procedures willy nilly?

>>97022287
Come on, Mark! That was a one time thing and besides, it was a mystic, I had to do it.

>>97022263
is liquidate literal in this sense?
I don't doubt the existence of market specialists among the Mages, could be a cool feature having quintessence markets where you get to use another mage's weird aura farm for a favor or two

>>97020977
Racism.

How would you free a werewolf in war form from a cruel mage’s trap without getting your face ripped off? Is there a special phone number to call? Do I give it a bowl of water in the meantime?

>>97022331
The white suits have been on my ear the whole week because of that! They say “he would have been a great agent” and “if we just randomly turn people into primal energy like that then we are no better than reality deviants”. Do you have any idea what’s like to receive a notice of reprimand straight into your head?

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>>97021837
t.

>>97022391
It depends what version of WoD you're playing in
>W5-based Woofs
It's ogre, pop the cage from some meters away and pray it gets bored elsewhere
>pre W5
You can "maybe" reason with it depending on how angry it is, if you free it the wolf might have enough sense to not claw your face off, or you can even have a conversation with it.
Also depends on the tribe and the auspice as well as how seriously it takes the Litany but generally W5 warform is unstable murderman and W20 is just buff wolf lad

I keep seeing it recommended but what makes Path of the Levinbolt so good?

>>97022406
That sounds like reality deviant behavior to me frankly and you should be lucky the warning came only in brain waves and not worse

>>97022441
Jeremy did it, not me! Why I’m the one getting punished?

>>97022406
I only liquidated one (1) guy! The wagies are fine as long as they buy their depression meds. Honestly, control needs to bother void engineers and investigate all their reckless spending.

>>97022457
Why was Jeremy allowed to do it in the first place? Sounds like someone's not performing.

Why are werewolves assumed to be the dumbest splat when it’s canon lore that the majority of apprentice mages die in fantastically dumb ways and master mages just shrug and see it as survival of the fittest

>>97022474
Probably because mages rule the world while woofs can't go 5 seconds without self-sabotage and ego battles.

>>97022474
Because that's only true for Hermetics and Akashics, whereas for woofs it's the entire splat.

>>97022332
>spoiler
If I remember correctly then yes

>>97022474
Magies tend to have power scale lovers.
Their fuck ups are also not constantly blasted on repeat.

>>97022474
Because those posts are written by butthurt magefags drunk on their own unwarranted superiority complex.

>>97022487
>>97022496
See what I mean.

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Why the hell is there a separate thread for WTA in /tg/?
All the power to them if they can sustain it but did I miss something?
>>97020977
You are on 4chan, there is a huge chance you are either a fatso or a twig. Unfortunately, Get of Fenris prefer capable man.
But if you somehow prove yourself, you will basically get the best possible waifu. See image.
>>97021267
Yes to both. But if you are looking for True Name shenanigans, Changelings are the best outside of Mages but also without paradox.
>>97022432
It gives immunity to ranged attacks at Mastery (Be reasonable with it though) and you fling lighting. Pretty awesome.

>>97022472
Because apparently what passes for junior executives these days believe that the precepts of Damien and basic rules of business administration are mere suggestions you are free to ignore when nobody important is looking. Case in point...
>>97022467
5 SUICIDE ATTEMPTS IN A SINGLE WEEK, JEREMY! WHATEVER PRIME ENERGY YOU'RE GETTING BY OVERWORKING YOUR SALARYMEN WILL NOT BE ENOUGH IF YOU KEEP BURNING THROUGH THEM LIKE REALITY DEVIANT USING INCENSE!

>>97022518
Damn, the Get sound pretty alright as far as Garou go, dare I say reasonable even. Why were they even turned into villains?

>>97022518
>did I miss something
See >>97019986, it's really dumb and he wants to fuel h is solo crusade.

>>97022559
Mostly because lieing to yourself only goes so far and the Get aren't american-centric enough to get more attention.

>>97022474
>Wizards!
>No sense of right and wrong
Also, because Garou have an entire history of self-defeating action over the long term that leads to the current state of the setting. It's mainly played up though. Cainites are probably just as insane but Vampires mainly function through selfish means while Garou, in being entirely selfless, are overzealous and miss the bigger picture

>>97022533
What do you want me to do? The demand for primal energy is high and the supply is constantly low! The Board wants results and fast. Normal methods simply aren't cutting it anymore and the idea of capturing reality deviants and using them to harvest energy was rejected.

>>97022499
That's rather nasty
>>97022518
Furry containment thread (1 of 2) by some guy that may or may not hate fun and WtA posting as the previous main thing. I'm enjoying the Magecel shitposting though.
Anyway
>Get
This is if you can survive constant shit tests

>>97022518
Cool. Now im wondering if a Mummy Kithian is possible?

>>97022559
>>97022578
>Why Get villain faction
Two things
>Nu writers wanted a neutral-aligned enemy faction for Garou nation games ala anarchs whereas BSD function as a Sabbat for Garou
>Nu writers HATE neonazi chuds and Get's use of Nordic aesthetics that are coopted in neo-nazi and alt-right circles triggers them
They're mainly a victim of good and topical design as the Nords kind of did have insane berserker dudes

>>97022578
>lieing to yourself only goes so far
I don't follow.

>>97022599
Listen man, just keep it in your pants for next time. One rejection by corporate isn't going to be the end of the world

>>97022599
Well, maybe if you didn't invest so much primal energy into that doomed cryptocurrency project I warned you it was not going to be profitable then you wouldn't be so behind on your quotas!

when will MTAs chads get their own spinoff thread

>>97022508
>superiority complex
I like mages because they're autistic, I like werewolves because they're retarded, I like vampires because they're angsty emo fuckers. Being flawed is the point.

>>97022474
Do you not know how retarded werewolves are? The Garou are responsible for everything wrong with the World of Darkness, at least everything wrong with Werewolf the Apocalypse, that's how retarded they are. Basically the only retarded thing that they're not responsible for is God cursing Caine, but I think a part of Caine's curse is cursing him to exist on the same retarded planet as the fucking Garou. It's their retardation that is responsible for the Weaver going mad, which led to the Wyrm going mad. It's their retardation that is responsible for the biggest genocide in almost any fictional setting, so severe and so retarded that they literally made humans so scared of their retardation that it's encoded into their genetic memory. It's their retardation that is responsible for the War of Rage and wiping out all of the other Fera who are nowhere near as retarded and actually did the fucking jobs that Gaia assigned them, unlike the retarded Garou. If the Garou didn't do any single one of those three majorly retarded sins, the World of Darkness wouldn't exist because everything would be sunshine and roses, but no, it's their retardation that is responsible for everything going back. It doesn't stop there either. They're so retarded that they're constantly battling each other over territory even though they have an apocalypse to stop. They're so retarded that they cling to the most retarded traditions imaginable even though it cripples their ability to stop any apocalypse. They're so retarded that even though they're the strongest splat straight out of character creation, they're still fucking losing and failing to stop the Apocalypse. They're so retarded that they have literally never done anything good for Gaia at once in their miserable fucking history even though that's the sole thing that they exist for. It's fucking offensive that you think that any other splat could ever come anywhere close to being as retarded as the werewolves are.

>>97022599
Allocate better. Those demanding more will blow themselves up tomorrow or in a month. Steady growth is better growth than draining the well for some extraneous want. What is upper management gonna do? Send someone down here? Don't joke.

>>97022670
What is the flaw of Mummies?

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>>97022332
I am not part of this RP you are going but it's usually lasers or funky non-Euclidean BS or math etc. And vulgar.
Tradition Mages also do it but theirs is more like "cast humans into the fire" see image.
>>97022611
...you mean a Kith based on legends on Mummy or Kith who become Mummies?
Former is possible but I am not sure about the latter.

>>97022683
None, that's why I don't like them.

>>97022667
you're a master of Creation
figure it out yourself

>>97022620
It's doubly funny because every other Tribe treats their kinfolk like garbage, save for the Children of Mary Sue. You'd think the faction that actually bothers to treat their kinfolk with respect and goes as far as training them (you never know when Pentex or BSD might attack them while the Garou are away) and considering part of the family would be depicted more positively by the writers. But of course that requires the writers not to be a gaggle of shallow judgemental retards. You just know if WtA had a token commie tribe they'd get glazed nonstop.

>>97022667
You're in it.

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>>97021484
>the fact that the Lasombra definition of power does not necessitate leadership/rulership per se
I honk this is an important facet of them that gets skipped over since they have Potence. What is a ruler's title to one who can fling you into the building across the street? Whether it's with their bare hands or a shadow tentacle.

>>97021402
>It baffles me how the mystics, in their own clan, are kept at the fringes.
Same. What's the point of a unique advantage of you're not gonna leverage it as much as possible for the Darwinist clan? And you tell me most of the highly theological clan Lasombra don't know or care about what the dark gooey stuff is or how it works beyond HURR DURR SHADOW STRONK? You could even keep the clan's cutthroat policy and distance in a "relying solely on Abyssal power that isn't your own would be cringe" way.

Even with them as NPC enemies I feel they'd have a more distinctive niche. Going to Ed Gein's Slasher Funhouse with blood covered walls? Tzimisce. Crypts and haunted houses? Giovanni. Catholic churches, dark places, or near large bodies of water? Lasombra time - better watch your corners/behind you and not fall in lest you see one of these going towards you.

>>97022681
I'm more afraid of those NWO suits poking around. I swear they're still mad about the fact we didn't approve their budget for that new subliminal messaging research.

>>97022748
>there's a real /wodg/ thread out there
>we're trapped in the fake one, in eternal torment
damn demiurge

>>97022676
Nice troll. But I wanna give you a (You) with some meat in it.
> It's their retardation that is responsible for the Weaver going mad, which led to the Wyrm going mad.
Nah, read Book of the Weaver. It's the same as nearly all other sources—Weaver's own retardation.
>It's their retardation that is responsible for the biggest genocide in almost any fictional setting, so severe and so retarded that they literally made humans so scared of their retardation that it's encoded into their genetic memory.
Their only fault in this aspect is that they were as happy to kill as Ratkin and stole their job. And all other Fera also joined, except for Kitsune who are too young.
>It's their retardation that is responsible for the War of Rage and wiping out all of the other Fera who are nowhere near as retarded and actually did the fucking jobs that Gaia assigned them, unlike the retarded Garou.
They were doing their jobs yes but they are also retarded. Read breed books and you can see how retarded they are. Hell, part of the reason War of Rage happened is because of other Fera. Like Nuwisha...or Ananasi...or Naga...or Werejaguars.
>They're so retarded that they're constantly battling each other over territory even though they have an apocalypse to stop.
Let me remind you that in modern times, the biggest shapeshifter war is in Africa, as Werelions genocided Werehyenas and are about to rule the whole Africa.
>They're so retarded that they cling to the most retarded traditions imaginable even though it cripples their ability to stop any apocalypse.
Their traditions are
"Garou Shall Not Mate With Garou",
"Combat the Wyrm Wherever It Dwells and Whenever It Breeds"
"Respect the Territory of Another"
"Accept an Honorable Surrender"
"Submission to Those of Higher Station"
"The First Share of the Kill for the Greatest in Station"
"Ye Shall Not Eat the Flesh of Humans"
"Respect Those Beneath Ye — All Are of Gaia"
"The Veil Shall Not Be Lifted"

I wuld go on bt wrd count

>>97022667
>>97022779
Brother, /wodg/ IS the mage containment board as we're the only ones left

HtV went excellent tonight.

The players concluded their raid on the Pitsea marshes. They killed zombies, slew a celtic spirit's body (kinda not really, it's still about but taking a long dirt nap) and drove off the Werewolf again. This time, they were all packing silver weaponry! Upon it's arrival it immediately ate 7 Aggravated damage and ran away.

They then went back to the hospital morgue where Minayo, our mortician, did some hasty first aid. Duncan, our old-money safari hunter then went home. He was barely wounded and fancied a shower after 4 hours trecking through marshland in the night.

On his return, Delilah, his boss and a Slasher, met him with dinner prepared. She was upset that he'd escaped from the hospital while she was away, but she forgave him. She had kidnapped his mother, Sybil, you see. In Duncan, she see's a kindred spirit. A strong man, self-made but neglected by his mother. And Delilah wants to remedy that, to set him up and nurture his growth into a true killer like her.

But to do that, he needs to put his past behind him. Duncan's mother is tied up in the other room. Delilah killing her won't do anything, Duncan needs to do this himself. As a man, he should be and needs to be in control. So the options presented:
>We kill her together
or a truly unhinged rant that I got a bit too into. Sybil is unfit to be a mother, that Duncan has turned out as well as he has is a testament to his own will. There are billions of women in the world, and not all of them are fit to be mothers. So together, they will reduce Sybil to one of those women, as she should be. Her eyes that look to Duncan with desperation, not love, will go. Her voice that cries for help, not with adoration, will be silenced. Her breasts that never nourished him, removed. Her womb bore fruit once, but why would its second spawn fare better? It should be removed.

>>97022707
Based
>>97022702
The question wasn't part of the RP but that's pretty interesting shit. I'm going to be sad when Mage 5 comes out and instead of Wizards being amoral powerful psychopaths it's going to be Wizards are sad guys afraid of being Paradox'd via supernatural discrimination

>>97022702
I mean an "Enchanted" Mummy, a Mummy with fae blood/fae touched. They'd be pretty powerful.

>>97022709
Wholesome and traditional family values are chud-coded. I agree though, if writers REALLY wanted a neutral antag faction Red Talons being and still being
>FUCK HUMANS
>KILL KILL KILL
should have gotten an eyebrow raise before Gets did. It's just the modern tragedy of intellectually and culturally compromised authors being allowed to retain control over the setting via nepo hiring. Naming 1 IP where this doesn't happen is a big challenge

>>97022799

Duncan stalled for time with some fantastic roleplay and excellent rolls, as he desperately offered that they take Sybil to the Morgue, thinking that his three cellmates would be there patching their wounds up. Unbeknownst to him, they had already decided to leave and go round one of the PCs flats to drink, wash and sleep.

The session ended with Delilah acknowledging Duncan stank after a night in the marsh dismembering zombies. She suggested they take a shower together so she could clean him. We faded to black there and ended the session.

Two of the players had cameras on the whole time and were absolutely horrified. Duncan's player, and Duncan himself are gay but it's 1980 and he's yet to realise this, so there's an additional layer of gross dolloped ontop of this. I don't normally do this, but I figured that if the session was going to end with the threat of hysterectomy and the like, that I should warn two of my female players. They were both 100% onboard, they had previously written Delilah off as just the NWA from Hot Fuzz (which is fair), but now she's moved right up the shit list. Absolutely delighted with how it all went.

Next session is going to start, I think, with Duncan taking Delilah and his mother to the morgue in the plans of ambushing her there with his allies. Only, they won't be there. Instead, Red, the BBEG Puppeteer will be there to ask the other PCs about the reports of gunfire that he's picked up as a switch-board operator for the Police. He'll be only too happy to find what he finds, I'm sure.

>>97022799
>>97022836
Hey there Delilah sounds terrible, in a good way. What's Red's deal? Is he another slasher or a different thing?

>>97022788
I rather enjoy the setting for being so interesting we can have discussions like this over who's at fault and who's the more retarded while almost every splat is flawed in their own way or has conflicting lore. Pre-5 WoD is surprisingly quite well written for this sort of stuff
>>97022799
Cool shit man, what's the QRD on the Werewolf encounter? Also
>Delilah complete femcel rant about the duty and qualities of what being a woman entail and how she would know better than Duncan's mother
Based man, some actual presentation and gravity with that Delilah encounter. I can only imagine she's going to have an insane crashout over Duncan's refusal

>>97022474
>Muh Rage
>It’s more combat oriented
That’s it. Most vampires canonically don’t understand stepping sideways and are scared shitless that Garou can just appear/disappear, as one example of subtlety

>>97022474
Mage rules
woofs drools
Mummy's are fools
Changelings hate schools
Vampires are ghouls
Demons are tools

>>97022504
>Magies tend to have power scale lovers
This is why they’re best ignored. They’re rollplay niggers

>>97022683
No one cares enough about them to give them books

>>97022836
>>97022856
>making Delilah a complete POS schizo woman
Based man, I wish more people wrote genuine loons like this. A bit gross but when it comes to serial killers it's often a sexual fascination with death as well that gets them going so props to you for capturing that shockingly well. What's the goal for the next few sessions?

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>>97022799
Gonna try to recap my Woof sessions in this level of detail going forward

>>97022856
Red is a Puppeteer Slasher who is coordinating the efforts of Slashers across town to eradicate the supernatural. He has developed a mathematical equation that can predict if a person will serve as a supernatural contagion (if they may become a ghoul, a vampire, if they'll awaken, become a werewolf, if a fae wants them, if they're a witch. You name it) The only thing it can't fortell, is Ghosts and Spirits. He's unaware that all of this killing is drawing a few Spirits to his cause, following him about and feasting on all his killing. Also, a few of his victims are returning as ghosts. Those people are marked for death, and he has several other Slashers in town hypnotised, MKUltra style, to do his bidding.

>>97022863
The Werewolf is a part of one of the PCs, Lenny's, backstory. He's a member of Ashwood Abbey who used to hunt Uratha in the Scottish Highlands. His cell were killed when their car was attacked one day, and Lenny has sworn revenge ever since. He's killed most of the pack, and the last one left has fled south. She was going to intercept someone about to have their first change, a target that Red had marked for death. She's still in town, trying to deal with the spirit mentioned above and also fighting her urge to avenge her pack and the latest kill of Lenny. She is hounding the PCs at every step.

>>97022876
>woofs drool on you, you have two Garou inside you

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>>97022676

>>97022474
I mean...
Most vampires don't even survive their first decade. Their first week if they are Sabbat. It just doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.
Sure most Mages don't become Masters but even if the majority of Apprentices die, it isn't causing the apocalypse. Plus remaining Mages are still BS. They are the ones with private worlds, riches beyond most people and cosmic power.
Wraiths are Wraiths, even if they are all retards, and they might be since they nuked themselves before with ghost nukes, they are already in a shitty place.
Mummies are fine, they are probably the least retarded splat.
Hunters are Imbued to die, even more than Garou.Even at the best case scenario, their own power will burn them out at the end of Extremism. But there are an endless supply of them

WoD will always come across as incredibly immature for all these schoolyard gang tier slap fighting

>>97022943
first day on the internet?

>>97022943
Sure, let's discuss CofD instead. That won't cause any inter-splat slap-fights, will it?

Hey, what's more powerful, an archmage or a True Fae?

>>97022943
First time?

>>97022949
Even outside of the internet you had literal death threats in the 90s/2000s being sent to the writers because of shit like the avatar storm

>>97022916
Cool shit man, that idea about a serial killer mathematician is pretty kino how'd you develop it? Anyway neato backstory incorporation
currently trying to convince my friend to take 4 dots of enemy so that I can add a Werewolf to the amount of entities trying to kill him in VtM

>>97022952
Depends on which one is on home turf. New question, how do you picture diplomatic relations between supernatural species being like in general?

>>97022799
This just kinda seems like your own fucked up therapy shit dude sorry

>>97022920
Or maybe its the same garou?

>>97022943
>He doesn't enjoy retarded arguments on 4chan
Is there anything else to do in this website? Sometimes there's a cool philosophical discussion though

>>97022952
>what's more powerful, an archmage or a True Fae?
True fae would be mid level Archmage tier, and according to the Awakening dev god level beings are more like living worlds in an of themselves, and spats between them is closer to a manufacturer/logistics war, not a direct fight. Not when they both could one shot each other.

>>97022965
lmfao based

>>97022965
>spoiler
Damn how'd John Tucker get turned into a vamp?
>>97022916
Man slashers are so great. I wonder if or when some spirit big enough will ever decide to just snatch Red up in passing.

>>97022972
If WoD is anything to go by, horrible. If we're talking about CofD? Still horrible
>everyone and there mother is moderately territorial except for Prometheans
>no one wants Prometheans around because the area around them goes to shit anyway
>Ideally they'd ignore each other but someone always gets uppity
Coexistence is simply not possible under the White Wolf mindset and it's based

Awakening archmages are funny. Always too scared to do anything out of fear of the rest.

>>97022965
Thanks anon.

My original plan was the PCs would be in a town that was completely devoid of the supernatural, it was just a normal town. They'd find weird traps around town, conspiracy-tier stuff like TF:V Sunbombs and the like, just set up seemingly at random. At the same time, Kindred, Uratha etc would start showing up in town, realising it was unclaimed .The PCs would have to figure out who left these weird gizmos and what happened, the reveal would probably be some Mage or Fae thing that just kidnapped everyone "interesting".

But it lacked anything involving the PCs, there needed to be a face. So I kept the "Supernatural stuff gone" angle, but decided it would be more interesting if that was an ongoing effort. And a charismatic Slasher who thinks they have the moral high ground is always a lot of fun, so I started on that. How does he keep the town clean? Is he just a cool Hunter who kicks in Vampire doors at midday? That's a bit dull, what if he figured it out beforehand? And then I just worked from there.

>>97022973
Would it help if I said my girlfriend is the one that suggested the forced surgery option? I had "Option one, they kill his mother. Option two needs to also be psychologically horrendous for him but I can't think of anything."
>>97023004
I don't think it'll happen within the scope of this campaign honestly, Spirits are a bit outside of Hunters area of expertise. Afterwards I'd like to do a WtF campaign in the same setting, I've already had a few VtR ones in a different town. I think the Werewolves would be more suited to dealing with "Who the fuck fed this Murder spirit and why is it so god damn strong?"

>>97022972
It'd probably be some kind of mexican stand off started solely because they all clocked each other as being super natural. If they can get past that and realize they're not stepping on each others toes, they're probably fine okay with minimal contact. If anyone's gonna start things it'll probably be a vamp and mage getting into a pissing contest.

I always liked the image of humble seeming figures sitting around a table having tea — but one’s a true fae, another’s a death lord, one’s an archmage, and one I think is Luna.

>>97023004
>>97022995
He's playing a Nossie that had a pretty shitty sire and horrible first turn, so the idea I workshopped with him was
>ended up breaking into a small manor in the 60's hungry for blood
>attempts to drain a woman
>fucks up and kills her because he's a low self control retard (worked on his stats for this)
>family finds out because he wasn't very subtle
>family has become Vampire hunters specifically to target his dumbass
>dead girl became a Wraith who may or may not be fucking with him during the campaign
I also am making him owe a fellow PC a favor for the Masquerade breach that happened, if I convince him to add a few dots I can make them a Kinfolk family and make him hunted by her Werewolf cousin or something and at 5 I was thinking one of them ascended into a Mage and seethes trying to turn him into a lawn chair
He wanted the freebie points, I'm willing to let him have more if he puts more into enemy. Yes, I am a bit of a sadist with my friends

>>97023032
Sounds like Luna's trying to work out some kind of orgy

>>97022982
>Two dicks
>Only one fuzzy wall for warmth
It's a downgrade but I guess it's still "two Garou" in a matter of speaking

>>97023045
>family has become Vampire hunters specifically to target his dumbass
>dead girl became a Wraith who may or may not be fucking with him during the campaign
Beautiful.

>>97023024
>would start showing up in response to a serial killer going ham
That's pretty neat man, good shit. That's the sort of planning I'm hoping to get up to

>>97023045
You think the Wraith's obsessed enough to become a Risen? Or is that in the works when not fucking with him?
Anyway who hasn't had a little sadism among friends? It's fine, hopefully you can talk your friend into 5 dots. I take it the possible vamp enemy is something/someone much more mundane, yes?

>>97023063
I'm going to love having shit flying at him in scenes and not explaining it, or his coterie being a target of a hit and run every now and then. Anyway it's all in good fun hopefully it's not like I'm planning on killing him anytime before the main Baali/Nephandus plot

>>97023048
No they’re just godlike acquaintances.

>>97023077
>disliked by the Prince for a Masquerade breach
Yeah I can see maybe a possible vamp enemy just being some upstart wanting a quick in with the Prince, nothing fancy. Possibly someone unrelated. I'd like to keep the dramatic shit for later
>Obsessed enough to become Risen
That depends entirely on him and how he reacts to the family hunting him or his attempts to find an exorcist to free him.
One of his fellow PC's is a Caitiff with True Faith going
Now that I'm writing it though, maybe I can have a Giovanni obsessed with acquiring the Wraith after the Nos but I don't want to devolve the plot into this guy's Jojo escapades despite him giving me basically the most plot hooks in the backstory

>>97022943
You mean every single thing in the world? From TTRPG to Comics to Videogames to Literature to Countries to ideologies.
We like debating and supporting our favorite thing.
Also, Fighters are better than Wizards, nerd.

>>97022676
https://youtu.be/qXo3NFqkaRM?t=10
but garou rhymes with love you

>>97022916
Best of luck to the hunters then, may they turn that woof into a pelt.

>>97023170
Do Uratha not revert back to normal humans when they die or is the pelt permanent?

>>97023098
>left the Caitiff unexplained
Was planning on maybe incorporating the True Faith and his past to get the ghost out in a rather funny scene as an option for later but I don't want to give players too many ideas on how they can solve their problems, though I will give them some on how to make it worse

>>97023191
A woof needs to be skinned alive if you want that pelt. I didn't mean it literally but killing a woof is something every hunter can be proud of.

>>97023191
they do

>>97023191
Imagine flaying a creature while it's still alive, jesus

>>97023231
It's ok, they're evil (God told me in a very vague dream)

>>97023238
lmao

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>>97023238
Bach, that you?

>>97023238
My visions all coincided with the appearance of a customer that smelled like a dirtpile and that I felt compelled to call a faggot

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>>97022418
Why yes, I kill demons in the name of the Lord, how could you tell?

>>97023238
Based, as it should be
>>97023248
Sounds like you should have done more than call him a faggot. Maybe hunt him down later tonight and feed him to an ATM machine

>>97023207
>>97023231
>Random werewolf often trying to do his or her job
>Schizophrenic autist decided he needs a good pelt and goes to skin the animal after s prolonged and arduous torture meant to incapacitate
There are no good guys

>>97023304
Evil is simply a matter of perspective

>>97023304
Correct. The autist was wrong from the start as is typical.

>>97023337
Perspective is a bit difficult when the clouds tell you to kill the neighbor

Can I be honest? I don't really like the premise of Hunter the Reckoning (wdym I need to be turned into a superpowered schizo by a pair of chinamen who may or may not be angels to fight supernaturals as a "normal human"). Hunter the Vigil seem much closer to what a monster hunting splat should be for WoD

>>97023368
That's fine. I'm more of a reckoning kind of guy, personally.

>>97023368
And that's why Hunters Hunted exists. You're either a random dude or a member of some secret organization

>>97023368
Imbued are kind of necessary for a small hunter party to get shit done against a pack of Garou or like a vampire conspiracy in the city, Vigil can work with this because you have support from other hunters for great level of hunts if you don't want the schizophrenic superpowers. It's H5 that just goes like
>You will be a victim and you WILL die a tragic death to the supernatural but not with super powers or community assistance

>>97022755
>highly theological clan Lasombra
Discounting the weird and out of place "fuck creation" moral the road of abyss has, the theologians could've very easily talked themselves into believing the Abyss was connected to the land of Nod. If not the land itself.
You also wouldn't even have to say over-reliance on abyssal power is cringe, outside of like a general unsaid more, because the Abyss could do it. All their rituals are so much more dangerous that, of course, only a Lasombra would dare to do them. Which could be an interesting exploratory thing cause what stopped the Tremere from exploring it? I doubt it was only the Lasombra that kept them out.

>>97023289
I was just glad the storms cleared out when he left.

>>97023380
>>97023426
I know, I just find silly that for oWoD the actual unempowered human hunters are just a subsplat of Vampire while the ones who get the main splat treatment are schizophrenic paladins

>>97023477
I mean they're not all schizos and you have some variety of how hunters feel about the other splats

>>97023477
I think it's because old White Wolf was heavy on the Great Man theory and Exceptionalism as core tenets for how they wanted PCs to operate and be unique-ish powers of change. The relatively high power of VtM and Wraith probably convinced them that for an independent small party of hunters you'd need some sort of super powers to match the supernatural, and frankly they're pretty right about that under normal circumstances. I think they somewhat wanted to expand the lore with the Messengers too before they just settled on moving on with the metaplots

You want to know what drags the fucking werewolf shreckt thread down? One guy samefagging to reinforce his own fucking opinions on shit like it's his own personal game

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>>97023573
>werewolf shreckt thread
Imagine the smell.

>>97023602
They really need to give it an "in universe" name I suggested spirit.web but anything would do

>>97023426
Let's for a moment ignore that two of the compacts are internet forums with all the resources typical to an internet forum (and the anti werewolf compacts are philantropic organisation that runs a youth treatment center, and a big game hunting lodge that used to hunt bears), the tactics and skills described in Vigil to hunt werewolves and vampire do not assume outside or supernatural backing. One of the most impactful techniques they have is making sure the werewolf stands where you want him to when you ram him with a truck. Equipment used against wolves is stuff like elephant guns, anti material rifles, and bear mace.
For vampires its the stereotypical vampire hunting gear and fire.
This is possible because Vigil explicitly does not assume that its werewolves and vampires are following the exact rules of their respective game lines. Just as no other fucking splat has ever fucking done in owod or nwod.

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We love and cherish our Black Fury masters. <3

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How do aliens fit in OWoD?

>>97023638
I'm not going to answer because of the picture you attached

>>97023247
What are his stats? Outside of high True Faith of course.

>>97023573
I think we actually get a bunch of differing "opinions" though most of it is RP

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>>97023638
There's a whole clan involved with them

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>>97023635
They are not going to have sex with you, bro.

>>97023638
There's bigger things to worry about than them.

>>97023660
Literally the only bit of lore that was ever explicitly retconned.

>>97023612
This is kind of true but mortals weren't really a big focus of owod until later. Even if compacts don't offer you physical resources having information on werewolf hunting is already a big enough help for what to do that your average Hunter group is not going to really going to realize by themselves outside of using Truck-fu to hopefully keep one down long enough

>>97023638
Aliens aren't real are just consensus delusions

>>97023719
That's not strictly true. There Are aliens, they de-retconned souleaters in the last black hand book and the main enemy in one of the ToJ mage books is literal space aliens.
The issue with aliens is that they're from a different tellurian, so they're next to impossible to meet even if you were an archmage of space. On top of that, it's next to impossible to know if they're the real deal or another spirit pretending.

>>97023773
>The Alien Spirit
That'd be funny. Why isn't there a humanity spirit?

>>97023825
You've never heard of the Indomitable Human Spirit?

>>97023843
After, it's dead after seeing a Tremere e-goth camgirl.

>>97023843
That's a good one.

>>97023684
It was?

Threat Null

>>97023825
There is

>>97023854
This ain't first grade anon, that doesn't exist. Just like how the consensus is a cyst in reality that shouldn't be.

>>97023854
Traditions propaganda

>>97023847
Tremere wouldn't be caught camming

>>97023847
Tremere wouldn't allow camwhores within their ranks buddy.

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>>97020843
Maybe she's a Tzimisce and has a third cheek

>>97023907
That's a man

>>97022965
Kek, sounds like you really want this guy to be in a state of constant fear for his unlife. how many enemies will he have by the end?

>>97023890
>>97023892
Nice try, nerds, but we all know how the Tremere get their funding nowadays.

>>97023926
goth e-bois, right. Makes sense and everyone knows it. How else will they hook big daddy Arikel?

>>97023926
They run pyramid schemes

>>97023913
If I have my way with it? All of them. Realistically it's about currently at enemy 3 with a family of 20-30 hunters, 1 wraith, at least a vampire, hopefully a garou or a mummy

>>97023952
heh, good one
>>97023926
Probably scamming people

>>97023910
Tzimisce don't count as people, so it's still okay.

>>97023907
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>97023970
Keep it up and you may even convince him to take enemy 5. Just imagine what you could throw at him.

>>97024157
I'd hope so, would love to involve some mage shit like the lawn chair

>>97024203
>One vampire vs everything and everyone ranging from hunters to magic illuminati

>>97023610
You do realise that GWnet is canon, right? It's the name of the private communication network established by the Glass Walkers to try and link all of their caerns.

>W5's take on Stolen Moons is just the YWNBAW copypasta

>>97024212
To be fair, he picked enemy willingly but I want to see how far I push him on the enemy stuff. Still, he shouldn't have taken 5 dots in generation and been so impulsive as to go on a lunatic rampage in the breeding shack of a local Shadow Lord pack, and perhaps maybe he shouldn't have had such succulent blood as to attract mages. Some Kindred are just unlucky, what can I say lol
He knew the consequences of his actions

>>97024284
>GWnet is canon
and yet there are no Glass Walkers in there, curious

>>97024339
so what

>>97024339
And there are no Nosferatu in SchreckNet either, even though it's supposed to be a Nosferatu-run and Nosferatu-dominated platform.

>>97024360
>>97024365
It's just a bit sad no one's around to defend them and I'd think the tech faction would be more popular

>>97023638
Read the Revised Werewolf Storyteller's Handbook. It actually has a potential "But what if XCOM?" concept sketch to work with.

>>97022123
Sure. Basically, is she was *the* Witch Queen. The reason she's so obscure and poorly known about is that she had something of a falling out with her sire long ago when he summoned forth an immensely powerful creature of the Abyss... and failed to bind it. It shattered her blind devotion to her sire, and millennia later during the Bronze Age Collapse they split up, hence why Sybil is pretty much the only name one can attribute to her, but despite the seemingly Greek origin, she's not very well known, if at all, to the old world body of the Lasombra. the truth of it is that she, like Montano, was picked up by her sire when he was wondering the earth. He picked her up in North America and after finally leaving her sire, she used her mastery of shadow sea to return to her home continent. She would occasionally return to the old world to keep tabs on things, watching like a shadow among shadows in the jyhad. This is where she found the dying Sejanus in the Tiber.

Where she entered the story was that the millennia had not been kind to her, and she was starting to crack. The world was getting awfully small, with fewer and fewer dark places for a witch queen to practice her more overt magics. She had to engage in a double masquerade, hiding from legions of young vampires. She had become convinced her mastery of the abyss had surpassed her sire's, and was trying to get access to Washington D.C., which just so happened to have been built on the swamp which the abyssal being her sire failed to control was bound by mortal magicians, and only then because its battle with the Antediluvian had left it so weak it could barely resist. She was convinced that if the Abyss could best her sire, the Abyss could best this disgusting world of the kine's that has forced her to hide and scrape for so long. in truth, her thoughts were only partially her own. Daddy was influencing her to open a portal big enough for him to return through.

>>97024284
Really? I never heard of it but that's cool then

>>97023851
Yesn't. Tziggers hated the soul-eater reveal so much that they walked it back like a motherfucker. Which is somewhat fair since it does retroactively rob agency from every Tzimisce character.

But there was another crack taken at the concept in V20, Assaku. It's a vicissitude based infection, but not all vicissitude comes with an Assaku infection, if that makes sense. It immediately changes you to a Path of Enlightenment all about being a part of the Assaku eldritch hivemind, but you get mechanical bonuses for going on it.

>>97024457
Nifty, thanks for sharing. Leviathan-like creatures continue to just be too strong. Hopefully if/when you stopped her you got her like staff or something mystic related as the centerpiece of the spoils.

>>97023612
Real talk you can kill anything if you hit it with a truck.

Also I have played and ran HtV. Fighting monsters as they are in their own splat is not that insurmountable. Maybe in oWoD where every supernatural motherfucker had multiple actions and easy access to aggravated damage this was implausible, but IMO Vigil Hunters can absolutely slap the shit of full-splats. Even ones they have kinda bad matchups against like Werewolves.

>>97024457
Cool write up, love the plot twist
>>97024520
Yeah car-fu is all well and good and pretty based but Vigil Hunters are relatively chads compared to H5 Hunters

>>97024457
>in truth, her thoughts were only partially her own. Daddy was influencing her to open a portal
Kino. I love me some antediluvian wankery.
>implying Zapathustra isn't alive and used Chimestry 10 to alter the books

>>97024520
Man conspiracies are really something.

>>97024520
I'm pretty sure one of the Hunter books specifically says that ramming your truck into a Death Raging Uratha isn't going to end well for you

>>97023337
I'm sure the Wyrm taint you're busy getting gaped by agrees with you.

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>>97024589
It's not just a conspiracy thing, though conspiracies do add a bunch of oomph. Ultimately what it boils down to is that nWoD/CofD is a lot less rocket taggy than oWoD, and the mechanics are more universalized so there's way less mechanical jank with powers across splat lines. Hunters lack supernatural potency, but there are basically no "just kill a mortal lmao" powers, and with certain tactics they can give themselves enough bonus dice to resist powers well. While head-on combat isn't the hunter's first choice, fighting merits are a good force multiplier for any character. Not to mention, most supernatural creatures have at least one fairly exploitable weakness that smart hunters can leverage the fuck out of once they know it.

>>97024591
It's going to end even worse for the werewolf. Picrel. Mechanically it's not something you can always pull off, since you need the space and ability to actually hit someone with a car, but hitting someone with a vehicle is mechanically stupid strong. It's the best way to put a werewolf into wrap-around aggravated, which is your only shot at killing them if you don't have silver.

in old world of darkness where they do the 5/9/13 split for talents, skills, and knowledges do you guys have suggestions on skills that are must haves?

For example having Athletics, Brawl, Melee, and Firearms just means you can always fight regardless of what you have. Although you might never need the skill Performance unless a power says so or it's important ot the concept.

>>97024668
Besides having dots in at least one fighting skill & Dodge if it exists go wild.

>>97024668
i would say your powers want you to roll is often more important than what the skill does on it's own

>>97024652
At least the BSD treat us right anon

>>97024668
>must have
it's pure RP, you can make a character functionally useless in combat if you want and still find ways to be useful

>>97024658
>WtA werewolves actually just tank that sometimes
It's kind of crazy but yeah, Vigil and CofD sounds pretty cool

>>97024503
>>97024555
This game concluded a long time ago. We... objectively couldn't stop a Methuselah, not directly at least. We only became aware of her in the final arc, where things started fitting into place. One session had us retreading the site of the very first session of the chronicle and uncovering how she had a hand in it. We, unwittingly, had kept removing her pawns within the city. She eventually reached the point where she decided to take matters into her own hands rather than spend another decade making new pawns, hence how we became aware of her in the first place.

It became abundantly clear to us that trying to stop her would result in a stalemate at best, and her timetable was moving too fast to bring out own heavy hitters in. Not to mention she threatened to kill my PC's entire mortal family if she kept trying to directly stop her. We had a lot of occult nerds in the coterie at the time, so we came up with our own plan. We'd let her open the portal, only to enact a counter-ritual. This gargantuan entity was sealed away when it was still weak, not properly returned to the abyss to heal, but not active. Like it's stuck between the two worlds. Its sheer size would be the thing keeping the massive portal open. If we could fully banish it, the portal would also collapse and hopefully, drag her into the abyss alongside the leviathan. Obviously some young but talented vampires alone did not have the ability to pull something like this off. So we needed help. Our Tremere went to his Regent. We even brought mortal sorcerers mage isn't a thing at our table, we use heavily powered up Sorcerers and even some werewolves on-board. The latter were really hard to talk into helping but a very good at talking Ventrue + a relatively moderate pack and a table that's very agnostic concerning werewolf lore managed to seal the deal on that one.

cont.

>>97024943
The coalition was barely being held together but managed to put their magic brains together to create a working ritual. The Methuselah used her pawns within the nearby Sabbat to launch a full-scale attack on the city so that she could enter the city unnoticed, and after defeating the Sabbat (the sabbat invasion was the b-plot on the final arc) we raced after her to the underground ritual site. While the other parties enacted their stage of the ritual, we needed to signal them when to start. We'd reveal our hand if we did the ritual too soon, and she'd be able to counter. But too late, and it could be game over. So the Tremere would use his sympathetic link with his sire to signal them to start. Then we just needed to survive long enough.

There was also a sort of psychological war going on between the Methuselah and my Ventrue PC. She was clearly feeling the weight of thousands of years of abyss mysticism and my Ventrue was playing the delicate game of trying to tilt her and get into her head without crossing over the line and getting dusted in brutal fashion.

We even launched a failed attack against the Methuselah so she wouldn't suspect anything greater from us. When it came down to it, she freed the ancient, gargantuan creature of the abyss... who immediately dragged her through the portal. The Abyss itself started expanding from the portal and a single arm the size of a semi truck, with entirely too many joints, came crawling out. We ran like hell trying to avoid and evade this eldritch horror until our ritual came through, which, mercifully it did right before the abyss itself began spilling out onto the city streets. The leviathan returned to the abyss, the methuselah wasn't seen again, and unfortunately for >>97024581 Daddy Lasombra wasn't freed just yet.

There were a lot of other fun moving parts to that finale and what we did with the abyss, but this has turned into two huge text blobs. I'd be happy to elaborate IF there's interest.

>>97024943
>>97024951
Pretty fucking sick. It must've been very fitting as a finale and to come out on the otherside too. Which clans made up the coterie? Sounds like a Tremere, and maybe two Ventrue if I'm inferring right. Definitely one at the least.

>>97024943
>>97024951
Sounds kino, I'd love some elaboration

>>97024975
The coterie as of the finale was
>Ventrue, my PC
>Tremere
>Nosferatu
>Kiasyd

At other points in the chronicle we had, in addition,
>another Ventrue
>Ravnos
>Brujah later revealed to be a Trujah plant (long story)
>Lasombra Antitribu
>Brujah (normal)
>Malkavian

Lotta PCs either got dusted or retired.

>>97024990
Oh interesting endparty. I wonder how the Kiasyd got roped into it. That said I'm with the other anon. I'd like to hear elaboration on the moving parts and the abyss.

>>97024986
Sure. So, the methuselah, based loosely on Sibyl, we generally called her "Gravity" as a bit of an in-joke. In an earlier arc, our Prince likened the influence of other supernatural parties to gravity. One can't see gravity itself, but one can see its effects, and through those effects not only intuit, but strictly define what gravity is and how it works. So when we started seeing more clearly her influence, we started calling her Gravity for lack of a better term and it just stuck.

She was not behind absolutely everything that happened in the very long chronicle, that'd be trite, but she did have her hand in a lot of things. The very first session was a murder mystery about who killed the Malkavian Primogen, who, for some reason, invited two random neonates (my Ventrue and our Malkavian) to a function that was mostly Primogen and other powerful courtiers. As we investigated, it became increasingly clear that it looked like another Ventrue did it. But that explanation didn't completely track. He was a very weaselly, indirect Ventrue. The Primogen died instantly, she barely managed to scream from the other room. My character's plan was to turn him in to avoid it looking like the Ventrue were covering for a blatant murderer because he was a Ventrue. However, once he got into custody she'd point out all the problems with him being the murderer. However, the then-sheriff for the then-prince immediately beheaded him on the spot before anyone could get a word in edgewise, just taking the word of two neonates that he was the most likely suspect. The whole thing never sat right with my character, and not just salt that her clanmate got dusted. Turns out her clanmate was a patsy. The Methuselah killed the Malkavian Primogen, a famous seer, to blind the D.C. Camarilla. She then used the dominated Ventrue as a patsy and cut the investigation short via a trigger-happy sheriff and irresponsible Prince.

>>97025054
Gravity didn't just limit herself to pure abyss mysticism. She was THE Witch Queen. We found she had a vast host of mandragora (ghouled plant) gardens, and havens all up and down the eastern seaboard at least. She had a permanent Haven in the Abyss. At one point she isolated the Tremere, dragged him into the Abyss, and planted a shitload of subconscious dominate triggers in his head. She was the secret power behind an exclusive auction of magical objects that catered to anyone and everyone in the know. When we attended, we even spotted a Red-Lister there. We came across one of her bolthole havens, it looked like an idyllic greek garden in a sea of cold hard stone and inky abyssal water.

We had two Princes over the course of the chronicle. The first, Edward, was a Nosferatu and the sire of our Nosferatu (he hated his childe). Edward was a coward and one of Gravity's puppets. We deposed and killed him with backing from Camarilla Big Boys, who didn't like how much infighting he was drumming up in the recently retaken D.C. The second, from the first arc onwards, was Klas, a Ventrue. Klas was not one of Gravity's puppets, and was in fact part of the team that killed Vitel. Gravity repaid him in kind by mindraping his childe, Joan, to the point she murdered the Prince before Edward, another Nosferatu, thinking he was coming to kill her. She then committed multiple diablerie and fled the city, joining the Sabbat when her sire "abandoned" her. From Klas's perspective. He woke up one evening hearing that his childe murdered the Prince. Then, he sent someone to check on her to get to the bottom of this. Then, he was told she diablerized that guy and fled the city.

>>97025071
As you can imagine, we didn't get many opportunities to talk to her directly. Pretty much the only time we had a lengthy talk was between Gravity and my Ventrue. My character came home one evening to find her golem (long story) housekeeper and surrogate little sister utterly terrified, only able to inform her that a "guest is here". There was this 8000+ year old Methuselah just standing in her parlor. She was... semi-coherent. Her english was grammatically fine, pronunciation was great. Not even a hint of an accent. But her thoughts were all over the place. She offered my character a chance to defect to her side. In exchange... she'd teach my character how to run her domain properly. According to her, the mortals will inevitably turn on her, and that's why you need to keep the animals in line with fear and magic. She cited how these lands were hers by right, she owned them since ancient times. My Ventrue found that claim rather annoying, since we had guesstimated based on some old relics of hers we found that her mortal point of origin was somewhere in the southwest. She retorted that she is not so ignorant nor guilt-ridden as to believe North America was one people, one culture. If the Methuselah was from the southwest, to the natives of the east coast, she was just another foreign witch. By that logic, my Ventrue who was actually born and raised on the east coast has more claim to the land than she does.

This resulted in a Methuselah strength bitch smack that nearly floored my character despite the fortitude. Closest she came to losing that delicate dance between psyching her out and committing suicide. The only reason the Methuselah didn't just dust my PC, or all of us for that matter, was that we'd be the canary in the coalmine. My PC was an agent for Ventrue Elders. If she got dusted under mysterious circumstances, they'd investigate. That's when she was told that her family would be brutally murdered if she kept messing with her plans.

>>97025095
Rapid fire here because holy shit this is getting long-winded. Can expand on a particular thing if anyone wants.
>Gravity tricked a Baali into thinking she was summoning a powerful archdemon but her ritual would actually free the abyss leviathan. We stopped her.
>Our Werewolf consultant play almost backfired when some Brujah dickheads caught wind of them and decided to form an anti-werewolf lynch mob. I almost got mauled to final death trying to Presence the Werewolf into chilling the hell out after we got the Brujah to fuck off. Did succeed though.
>The Tremere's sire was a hilarious asshole, we found out after the Sabbat attack he was shoving staked shovelheads into closets in the building we had rented out as our neutral meeting ground. You know, for future experiments.
>One of the Sorcerers we brought in hated Lasombra so much she spent the entire meeting mean-mugging the Kiasyd for having inky black eyes. this hatred came from the fact she was almost a Lasombra embrace herself. She slew her sire when he came to turn her though.

>>97024999
Kiasyd was there because the player REALLY wanted to play a Kiasyd. That's kinda all there was to it.

>>97025105
>we found out after the Sabbat attack he was shoving staked shovelheads into closets in the building we had rented out as our neutral meeting ground.
Please understand: Chantry space is usually very limited.

>>97022709
Get are one of the tribes, along with Shadow Lords, that are consistently said to treat their kinfolk like utter garbage. Every tribebook says that the tribe it's about loves and values their kinfolk.

>>97024300
Be sure to give us an update, I'm curious as to the a amout of trouble he'll be in.

Are there any "best of" collections of writeups of WoD games campaigns?

>>97025849
No, but there should be. I keep telling Hunterfag he should compile his sessions into a single document for easy reading so that all anons may enjoy his group's exploits in their entirety.

>>97023070
I don't know anything about Spirits really, but I believe that's how they work. They follow the thing they represent, encourage more of it so they can feed off it and grow stronger and set up a perpetuating cycle until it messes everything up and another Spirit or some Uratha have to deal with it.

>>97023170
>>97023191
Ashwood Abbey actually canonically practice the flaying of Werewolves, I can't remember which book it's in but I think they flay a live werewolf and, on death, its pelt vanishes anyway. They just did it for the love of the game.
>>97024846
I believe Uratha, per their own book, would be able to tank it also. In Gauru (warform), they regenerate all lethal and bashing damage taken each turn. You'd need to really fuck the Werewolf up and then hit it with a speeding car in the same turn to stand a chance.

One thing I have ignored is that Gauru force down and dirty combat (single roll combat resolution) against almost any human or lesser prey, just because the PCs would get absolutely blended.

>>97025863
I shall have a crack at it when the campaign concludes. It's been a lot of fun but it takes a lot of time to set up and do, when I have a reprieve I'll see about doing a proper writeup that isn't half greentext. Though I appreciate the interest.

>>97025999
Based trips for a based GM.

>>97025999
The problem with CofD Spirit rules is how they made things a lot less handwavable, like Wraith where you end up with people going "can I roll occult to understand how powerful a ghost that can do that must be?"

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>>97026054
I'm on a roll it seems.

Pic related is Delilah's rationale for her current scheme, by the way. Her Slasher moniker is "A Concerned Citizen". Up until now, she has murdered people who she feels harm the town. As I said above, she's very much in the vein of the NWA from Hot Fuzz, but a bit less funny. She types a letter on her typewriter about why she chose this victim. Their charity shop invites scroungers, the school-course on trades will lower the average wealth of the town by encouraging people to be plumbers rather than work in London as bankers (it's 1980, I know). This time, it's personal.

>>97026101
I'll have to look into it further. My understanding is that Hunters generally don't deal with Spirits properly, just because they don't have the means to pass through the Gauntlet, or speak the first tongue etc. It's a problem for future me, and fuck that guy. He'll get what's coming to him.

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>>97023638
Run a Star Trek style chronicle with them.

>>97025999
>I believe Uratha, per their own book, would be able to tank it also. In Gauru (warform), they regenerate all lethal and bashing damage taken each turn. You'd need to really fuck the Werewolf up and then hit it with a speeding car in the same turn to stand a chance.
I'll break it down. The answer is kinda

Your average Uratha is size 7 in Gauru. A pickup truck is size 15. This means we'd use the rules for "vehicle hitting a light object" which despite the name does explicitly apply to characters as well. The driver rolls Dex + Drive - the Werewolf's defense, so the hardest part would actually be hitting the werewolf, especially if you're using Athletics to Defense which I personally don't because it turns CofD non-grappling melee combat into a slog of constant misses

So how much damage does the werewolf take from getting hit by a pickup truck going... oh let's say 60MPH. Well the damage modifier is half the vehicle's size rounded down plus one tenth its speed in bashing damage. So we're looking at 13 + successes in bashing damage, an absolute minimum of 14. Assuming a stamina of 2, in warform the "average" werewolf will have 11 Health dots. So no, being hit by a single pick-up truck alone would not do them in most of the time, provided they were in warform. Even a lucky hit/hit against an unassuming foe for say, 5 successes, would not put the werewolf in enough wrap-around to get aggravated. But that's not the end of the story. Gauru is really good at tanking even the biggest one-off hits. But hitting it with a car changes all the break-points. If the rest of the PCs follow up immediately, their flurry of attacks could realistically put it into heavy aggravated or even kill it. Since that 1 success hit would put our "average" wolf at 3L, 8B. If you can blindside them before they shift (only woofs with good harmony can reflexively shift), getting hit by a car could easily kill them.

Or just use a silver cow catcher.

>>97026154
It's worth noting the 1e tactic that the image was from, Roadkill, bowls the Werewolf over and leaves them stunned, which a normal collision doesn't. It's not intended to one-shot, it's intended to deal a massive blow and stagger the werewolf so the hunters can finish it off.

>>97022907
Missed this, sorry.

Yeah so far most of the Slashers have been ranging from gross and overtly monstrous, to oddly "I can fix them". The Bodybagger was a freak who killed people he was jealous of, and took what they had for himself. It never filled that hole in him, so he killed again and again to take more and more. He was an obvious bad guy, no qualms about cracking his skull open with a cricket bat.

The Bouncer is a man who suffered a traumatic brain injury in a fight outside a nightclub. His brain was permanently wired to Fight or Flight after that moment, and he often chose fight. He was confused, angry and unstable all the time. The PCs wanted to help him until he confessed that he'd murdered three people a few nights previously. Then they had to put him down.

The Vampire Killer is a Ghoul whose master died, and without vitae he's aged 40 years in a month and lost his mind. He stumbles about, tearing peoples throats out and drinking their blood because he has a vague certainty that that will restore his youth. He thinks that's how it used to work. But it's hard to remember. His knees hurt.

Jao Saao is a mail order Thai bride. Her husband tormented and abused her and she snapped, brutally murdering him and escaping. The PCs and players were quite ambivalent to this. She currently stalks women support group meetings, listening for husbands who are harming their wives the way she'd been harmed. This has made her slightly less popular amongst the PCs, but they're still not too concerned with her. Delilah is the first Slasher that's really gotten this monstrous, in a human way.

For the next few sessions, I'm not too sure. Our Werewolf is still about, the Vampire Killer is still alive but will be taking a back seat as I don't want to overuse them. I'll have to give it some thought.

>>97024520
Real talk feels like a moderately powerful Changeling in nWoD would be an absolute nightmare for hunters to deal with. Not even talking some combat specced gentry hunter, but just your average changeling is going to be a pain in the ass.

>>97026154
I appreciate the breakdown! It'd be something that requires heavy coordination from the hunters, was my main point. The Werewolf needs to be in a spot where the driver can hit them, and also get the car up to 60, and the Hunters need to be near enough that they can leap in and start kicking the shit out of the werewolf after the car hits it, and the car needs to not crash or anything like that. It's not a surefire deal.

In my games we've agreed that tactics are kinda bullshit anyway because it's just stuff that the PCs would already do, but reduced and abstracted when cornering the monster, setting a room on fire etc, could all be done by the PCs directly through action rather than the tactics system. But to each their own.

>>97025999
>Ashwood Abbey straight up just flaying werewolves (forma de ICE) because fuck the supernatural
Based, honestly

>>97026154
>Attach some silver death spike onto the front of the truck
>Immediately magdump on werewolf after running over
This is some Bullet Rain shit, love it

>>97026229
>Ashwood Abbey
>based
Hi Jeffrey.

>>97026120
>My understanding is that Hunters generally don't deal with Spirits properly, just because they don't have the means to pass through the Gauntlet, or speak the first tongue etc.
They don't have the right tools for deal with any of the supernatural unless they really specialize in that shit. Like how you can build viable demonologist with 0xp if the Inferno book is anything to go by.

>>97026197
Man this town must be shit with all the serial killers and crazy shit running around, great aesthetic with the news paper clipping. Reminds me of that weird japanese psychological investigation game where the player is actually the Tulpa Brother of the Real MC

>>97026247
Sometimes you just have to appreciate that type of hunter roleplay

>>97026257
Exactly my thinking. This hungry spirit is just a mosnter of the week as far as they're concerned, they shot it a bunch, stabbed it and it dissolved into greasy smoke when it died. Case closed. Some Uratha would likely have a different opinion on how they handled it, I'm sure it would have upset something in the Hisil.
>>97026261
It's not the best place. The game is set in 1980, and I wanted to have this campaign represent a turning point in the UK. Where it goes from "Life kinda sucks and it gets a bit spooky at night" to that more modern-day media oversaturated "Three people murdered last night" angle that has people just turn away rather than acknowledge the problems or confront them. The NPCs around them are already rapidly becoming jaded and making concious decisions not to engage in the state of the town. They go home after work, they don't do anything, they don't take their kids out, no barbeques in the park etc. The campaign started with a VE day parade that was the last of the good times, the PCs were all at the same street party. It's only been three months since then, but nobody would even think about organising something like that now. Much less, attend it. Slashers in the night, werewolves on the moors, vigilantes with cricket bats, it's the new normal world of darkness.

>>97026211
True, but uncoordinated Hunters are gonna die going up against almost anything and the dice can fuck anyone, hunter or monster.

>>97026257
>Like how you can build viable demonologist with 0xp
What is often left unsaid about nWoD/CofD games is that 0xp is a genuine rookie. A 0xp hunter is a dude who discovered monsters were real within the last year. A 0xp werewolf is someone fresh off their First Change. 0xp vampires are fledgelings etc. IIRC 1e HtV described a 5 exp Hunter as "survived first contact".

In my experience, most groups want to play characters who concept wise should be somewhere between 10-25 exp. You can't make a viable demonologist with 0xp because at 0xp they're a newbie demonologist.

What percentage of the Ashwood Abbey membership is in the little black book of flight logs?

>>97026323
High risk, high reward!

HtV2e (and I think most of the 2e lines actually?) assume that you aren't completely green behind the ears at character creation. I know VtR and HtV at least have a section on "what if I actually want to be completely new to this?" in their books. It's not a terrible idea, but oftentimes for a game like this that transformation from a regular person into something else, is a huge part of the drama and most people I've played with want to play those scenes out, even if it means they start at 0, or just have a dedicated flashback session.

>>97026326
Network Zero may know something.

>>97026347
>Network Zero may know something.
Sadly one of their top members Julius D'Ange got vanned under trumped-up charges and one of their main hubs of networking and muckraking Channel Infinite got nuked so Netzo is a shell of its former self.

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>>97026347
I know 2e gives hunters 3exp default, which is partially to reflect that every Hunter has by definition had at least one occult encounter before, and also makes up for their 7 merit dots compared to the average supernatural's 10.

As for Requiem 2e, picrel. Granted, no actual statted Methuselah has only 100 exp so I think the terminology is a little off here, but my point still stands. "Around the block" is how I would describe a proper neonate vs. a fledgling.

>>97026326
You telling me they're pedophiles AND hunt werewolves? That's pretty impressive

>>97026323
>You can't make a viable demonologist with 0xp because at 0xp they're a newbie demonologist.
I am talking about RAW and how Inferno describes what you can do with an Occult Skill of 4+ and maybe the library merit for good measure.

>>97024484
Does the tal mahe ra still fight them?

>>97026451
Ah, sorry. Misread.

>>97026326
I imagine its likely that they move in the same circles. But in my personal headcanon children dont suffer like that, so id just replace the island with "werewolf hunt" island instead

>>97026587
NTA but why are you namefagging?

>>97026644
NTA, but it happens, anon.
Let it go. Sounds like a schrecknet name.

>>97026644
Ah shit. Im sorry I forgot to turn it off. My bad

Malkavian with truman show syndrome.
Keeps using dementation to get other people to be "in" on it as his surveillers.
Cringe or cool idea for a first character or am I biting off way more than I can chew and have no fucking idea what I'm talking about?

>>97026835
How often would they slip into advertisements while talking?

>>97026835
It's a solid character concept but I imagine it can be annoying at a table if you're contributing nothing with the concept or it's happening 24/7, maybe you could ask your ST to give prophetic hints during the "production". I do like the idea though

>>97026210
Bedt defence against changelings high banality. No need to fight them if they're staying as far away from you as possible

>>97026835
>It's a filler episode where I stay in all night crying
Getting fed up of this one Malkav.

>>97026835
>>97026891
This wasnt in the script!!!
*turns to the closest piece of paper, signage, or even a napkin, turns it over & pretends to read
Ah ha! Now I see!

>>97026416
Keep in mind that this is also assuming just "normal life" rather than the kind of hijinks PCs get up to that earns them XP faster.

>>97026326
I'm actually gonna say few to none. It's not that the Ashwood Abbey isn't filled with sickos, but they're a different flavor of sicko. There's a reason they're the HUNTER hellfire club, they enjoy the thrill of hunting the supernatural. Not all of them are even rapey, many just love the thrill of hunting a supernatural creature with incredible powers. Even the perverse ones get off by violating the supernaturals, because it's such a thrill, because they're such a challenge. So you aren't going to have that many AA members going for Epstein's creepy pedo island for the same reason AA members wouldn't hunt a lion from a helicopter. Because it's weakling baby shit. They wanna feel the still warm werewolf pelt draped over their shoulders for the first time. They want the rush of gulping down a vampire's blood the same way that vampire has drained countless mortals. They wanna fuck the impossibly beautiful fae until its a quivering mess, because only a real fuckin' winner could do that. No greater risk, no greater reward. Epstein's racket was unironically beneath them.

>>97026229
We have to prove that humans are top dog in everything including evil

>>97026923
>banality
>against the Lost
Sounds like a great way to get enthralled

>>97026923
"Banality" is like catnip to Lost Changelings, it's living an ordinary life where what you think you see matches reality.

Gaslighting and other tactics that cause damage to their Clarity and makes it harder for them to sort the real from the imagined is what they have to work against.

>>97026923
Assuming nWoD banality isn't such a factor, nor is cold iron unless their Wyrd is too high.

Taking the "hit them with a car" example further, seems like you'd end up trying to do that to the Lost and end up like Wile E. Coyote.

>>97026979
oWoD lorebabies aren't very bright. They can't figure out context and just default to oWoD lore in all cases. You could say CtL, you could use Lost terminology. You could even specifically mention CofD in your posts. These guys wouldn't notice.

>>97026210
Keep in mind too that, aside from the fact that spotting one is really hard because of how powerful the Mask is and that most Tier 1/2 Hunters wouldn't have access to any tools that can get around that to actually spot them, most Changeling activity falls into complimentary activity to Hunters, not antagonistic.

>>97027005
Seems like playing in misdirection and gaslighting with a Lost is like demanding Tyson at his peak step into the boxing ring with you.

Admittedly Im not super versed with HtV but that seems like you're challenging the Lost on what's likely their strongest battlefield with a really high chance of finding your efforts backfiring horribly on you.

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>>97026968
>They wanna fuck the impossibly beautiful fae until its a quivering mess
Big mistake.

>>97026968
>>97026976
>Le humanity is the real evil
That's kind of a based trope frankly

>>97027026
You're entirely correct on this, of course.

The only real Hunter/Lost conflict I could see would be the "kidnapping" of various splats for nasty purposes (assuming the splats weren't doing kidnapping themselves).

My take on the Lost was that kidnapping/captivity was *the* issue that gets them fired up, regardless of the purpose behind it. Reading through the thread, explaining to a Lost how you're trying to kidnap this werewolf so you can take your time skinning it is going to....provoke a response, shall we say.

>>97027050
>Seems like playing in misdirection and gaslighting with a Lost is like demanding Tyson at his peak step into the boxing ring with you.
Using trickery against beings for whom trickery is as natural as breathing is making a huge gamble, yeah. It's possible, but by no means guaranteed.

>>97027013
>Taking the "hit them with a car" example further, seems like you'd end up trying to do that to the Lost and end up like Wile E. Coyote.
Mostly because there's a non-zero chance the changeling in question might know Dance of the Toys and talk your car into running you over instead. Best advice for fighting 'lings is to expect the unexpected and think outside the box.

Also worth noting that Lostlings changed a lot in terms of what they could actually do between editions.

1e Lost had a lot of contracts, but each contract was fairly specific. Their massive force multiplier was Pledges, which could do some impressive things if they actually managed to swing them. This and other stuff like talecrafting and hedgespinning made them the ultimate Prep Time tricky fuck splat, but one of the weakest in a head-on direct confrontation.

2e Lostlings are a lot better in a pinch, there was a bit of an arms race in 2e between splats. Some like Vampire and Werewolf needed the facelift and did interesting things with it, others kinda just got power-ups to get power-ups. So in 2e you can just whip your dick out much, much easier, but the really broken prep time crafty shit was removed.

Both still lean towards being the avoid and evade guy, and make good specialists in general.

Personally I much prefer the 1e template, because being the relatively weak tricky prep time guy is more unique and fits in with the "dark fairy tale" vibe Lost has going for it.

>>97027085
I was thinking along those lines, or "yeah that tunnel and changeling was actually painted on the side of the building you just drove your truck into at 80 mph."

I hate fairies so much it's unreal

>>97027085
>talk to your car
It just becomes a full on toon car that throws their ass out before backing up. Smear frames and everything present to help denote speed when it happens

Also worth noting that while Hunters aren't very likely to notice, let alone fight The Lost as in Freehold Changelings. They are pretty likely to find themselves investigating Privateers and Loyalists. Because the two, especially the former, do a shitload of human trafficking. If you're looking into a missing person's report, it's just as likely to be someone a Privateer sold to a goblin market as it is to be the victim of a slasher or some other horror.

>>97027056
Nobody ever said Hunters always win.

>>97027102
I think some of the Contracts in 1e suffered from super specific circumstances worst than any werewolf gift from oWoD. Fleeting Autumn is one Im thinking about, which thematically is very cool but had some significantly difficult set ups and/or limited expression. I think 2E helped with that in some regards.

>>97027102
Eh, I think the Regalia concept for Contracts is a lot more on-theme. One of 1E's problems was "Requiem is the template we rigidly design everything else based on," and Pledgecrafting was so open-ended and XP-cheap that it dominated the entire game.

>>97027140
You don't have to say they'll win. Just talking about Hunters will bring them. I wish it wasn't so

>>97027026
>>97027083
There is an ongoing misconception that Changeling is a "good guy" splat, likely owing to their origin as victims of kidnapping and torture. The thing is, Changelings are on a similar wavelength to vampires, they both were made what they are against their will but they also sustain themselves by preying on people. They might have ways to work around their hunger perhaps, unlike vampires, but all the same they subsist on raw emotion and the most easily available source of emotion around is still people so they still go around eating people's emotions a little number on the inside. And that's before you consider what they might do to ensure a steady supply of their favorite emotions, there's an example of a Winter Court member who became a drug kingpin so the misery it caused and spread fed him.

To say nothing of what lengths a given 'ling might go to avoid being dragged back to Arcadia. Like, oh, I don't know, figuring that since you have a similar build and appearance he can trick his Keeper into taking you instead to get it out of his hair. Or maybe he'll kidnap your child and give it to his Keeper because he was under threat of having his own kid taken away if he couldn't find a substitute. Or maybe he's just a Privateer trying to score more bodies for his True Fae boss. The possibilities go on and on. Keep in mind hunters have no way of knowing this, for all they know all fae are one and the same. There's even a mention in the Mortal Remains book that many hunters work under the belief changelings are infiltrators sent by the True Fae to infiltrate human society and do their bidding. And of course, there are some 'lings that are just plain bad people who do the kind of bad shit that gets a hunter on their radar. You gotta look at the bigger picture.

>>97027186
>they also sustain themselves by preying on people.
Not really, no. While they can drain someone hard, it's an emergency option for most because it's one of those acts that feels too Gentry. Creating an environment where emotions run high and taking a bit off the top hurts nobody.

And harvesting/growing Goblin Fruit is far more reliable anyways.

>>97027186
I wouldn't call them good guy, but as to your point that there's a "trauma victim reclaiming their power" theme around Changeling, I'd agree.

I don't think either of us were saying that it was a rare conflict, but other than the Winter Court example you gave, what you described seems much much more likely to be picked up by the Freeholds and handled as an internal matter with extreme prejudice.

I could definitely see something like Scarecrow Ministry being misunderstood though, and drawing in the area Lost because Hunters misinterpret the purpose.

>>97027242
>your point that there's a "trauma victim reclaiming their power" theme around Changeling, I'd agree
Then I messed up because that wasn't really my point. I'm of the opinion that theme has been exaggerated way too much, partially by secondaries but the devs had a hand in that.

I wasn't trying to start an argument, just mentioning that fighting a 1e Lost and a 2e Lost are fairly different beasts. But if we're going to...

>>97027146
>I think some of the Contracts in 1e suffered from super specific circumstances worst than any werewolf gift from oWoD.

You call it a bug, I call it a feature. I really like having a grab bag of specific bullshit for my "in a pinch" powers, at least in Changeling. Sure there were some duds but in my opinion, CtL2e massively overcorrected. I don't like the contract design at all, I don't like how brute force it feels now. Creates a ton of dissonance for me. I fell in love with CtL when I first read the 1e core. It had this dark fairy tale thing going on that was just perfect. I liked how you weren't actually that powerful, it helped sell that you're not a Fae, you're a Changeling. Something in-between. Every bit as human as you are fae, if not more. But use your wits, word your oaths well, play your role and you can maybe, maybe overcome this beautiful nightmare. Even if it had some mechanical issues, I think it was pitch perfect already. When I first read the CtL2e core, I was very disappointed. It's not that every single change it made was bad, I think universalizing Kiths is a good idea. But they basically ripped out almost everything I liked about Lost and replaced it with the sort of power design I despise. Even the way it was written felt very different in a way I did not care for. Which is a shame, I think many nWoD games got strict upgrades in 2e. Vampire and Werewolf being the big ones. But not Changeling. 2e isn't the game I fell in love with.

>>97027147
I'm pretty sure we've had this argument multiple times already. Suffice it to say, I disagree with you on pretty much everything.

>>97026968
But a person who seeks thrills like that probably also tried regular sicko shit first, and got bored with it.

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Well, /tg/? Would you?

>>97027216
Maybe in play, but as written in universe people do it so dont be retarded

>>97027297
no i'm scared.

>>97027297
Would I? All things considered I think we'd be better friends and there'd be easier ways to get glamour from me.

>>97027259
I think what you saw was an attempt to bring the Contracts into line as far as utility. Ive never been one to think that a contract is useless unless it revolves around aggravated damage. However, some of the contracts had extreme utility in their circumstance- Darkness and Smoke used together could really make you ridiculous when it comes time to be sneaky. Hearth, Artifice, and Vainglory were some other ones that had thematic & play utility, but there were plenty that were thematically appropriate but you had to WORK for a limited squeeze.

I think, from a design perspective, it was easier to try and bring UP everything than it was to make the useful contracts more difficult/less useful. There's definitely things I did not like about 2e, and I totally understand what you're saying about the prep work. You have an argument that they did throw the baby out with the bathwater, but I can also consider the reasons why the changes were made.

>>97027268
Not necessarily although it is likely that someone who started with somewhat vanilla sick shit will escalate it up to an degree that gives them the previous gratification when they got used to it, some other people start with straight up sick shit from the start. The weird fetishist to snuff enjoyer pipeline isn't really universal and some people are just violent sickos from the start. I could very much see some guy fascinated with hunting get ideas about hunting Werewolves if he ever learns about them but not engage in insane sadism as well as I can see someone sadistic inherently apply that to new targets. I don't think you can really justify skinning a person under regular sicko stuff unless you were already at an extreme

>>97027258
You're arguing that the game about surviving and thriving after a horrendously traumatic experience (which could reoccur at any moment) focused too much on the theme of surviving and thriving after a horrendously traumatic experience?

Im not trying to be blithe. Ive not mucked with 2E too much, but never had the impression that the Lost were a "good guy" splat in nWoD. They definitely seemed to have a range of reasons, from selfish to noble to outright malice, for doing what they did.

>>97027297
Is it a non-human? Will associating with it cause trouble?
If one or all of these are true then no, love ain't work putting up with all that shit

>>97022676
>biggest genocide in almost any fictional setting
Tf did woofs do?
What book do i need to read to get this?

>>97027297
Every day & twice on Sunday. Im strong enough enough

>>97027467
Impergium

>>97027479
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>>97027415
They aren't outright villains like Vampires, though. And Werewolves are kind of in the middle, where the Hunt does a really important thing to maintain the Spirit/Material balance, but to do it right often means causing a lot of people to have a really bad time.

>>97027463
>Chimp out humans are statted to dominate the environment despite Garou being like 50% human
>Get real mad and decide to genocide, enslave, and other things to keep population low
>Apparently this left genetic trauma in humanity
It's actually really cool but I think there have been bigger genocides in Warhammer or other crazy media

>>97027545
Does nWoD have a pure good guy factions like Mummies or is it just morally grey drama? I heard Geists were good guys

>>97027591
The latter.

>I heard Geists were good guys
Geister are all insane and inhuman, so no. If you mean sin-Eaters, it depends on the individual. Bonepickers can be good guys but they're in it mostly for their own gain, and while Reapers are generally justice-minded they can easily veer too hard into self-righteous violence for violence's sake. List goes on.

>>97027574
>>97027494
This is pretty cool since there is a theory that the uncanny valley effect exists due to an ancient enemy of humanity that hunted use via decepction and tricking humans they are one of their own to the point that our uneasy reaction to things that look humans but not quite human is a survival mechanism as a leftover of that era.

If i endup running a hunter game would introducing garous work better for this concept or should i introduce another type of creature with the monster creation tools?

>>97027628
>If i endup running a hunter game would introducing garous work better for this concept or should i introduce another type of creature with the monster creation tools?
Beasts.

Hey, first-time gm here and running mage 20th. What spooky thing would pop out if the spirit world and kidnap someone.

>>97027591
It's the classic
>Factions bad (except mummies) individual (depending on pc) good

>>97027591
You could argue that Deviant is generally in the Hero/Antihero category where you're a rogue superpowered victim of some kind of experimentation whose antagonists are the organization that made you.

Mummies generally have a Purpose given by the Judges when they awaken, but they're also able to cause city-scale disasters in service of following them.

Sin-Eaters are kind of detectives who work for the recently deceased who can't move on yet and provide a safe community for them.

Pretty much any God-Machine Infrastructure is going to be a problem for whatever mortals live near it, so Demons working to break it is generally a good thing.

You could argue that Pentacle Mages are generally working for Humanity's benefit as well, and their antagonists are the worst excesses and evils of man.

Prometheans are in the "I just want to mind my business, I don't want no trouble" camp.

>>97027628
Would they be just a monster to hunt? Then you don't have to get big into the why of it, them hunting is enough. Hunters are the least informed splat so any sort of justification can serve that purpose.

>>97027644
Whatever you feel like? It's the Umbra. You could use Bygones as a starting point to give ideas.

>>97022676
Culling prehistoric populations wouldn’t actually be that high of a number btw

>>97027652
I think Mage the Awakening is kinda the opposite, the Pentacle orders just want to free humanity from the Exarchs, but individual mages usually care more about their magical fixations.

>>97027641
I won't touch Pederast: The Grooming even with a 10ft pole.

>>97027612
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>>97027653
>It's all le individualism may be good
Surprisingly American, I kind of like it but it seems to me like Chronicles kind of it's just like WoD where you're living in a world that's moderately more sucky and unsafe. Very cool explanations though, thanks anons

>>97027714
Chronicles did try, more than oWoD, to be more focused on the individual struggles one would face. Mixed bag over all but much more of an earnest attempt than other editions.