>>97026731
>TQ
Having an existential mid-life crisis.

>>97026731
So if I’m reading this right, discipline master works like apothecaries from 2.0 where it’s technically one unit but explodes into characters for multiple units. If so it’s odd it takes a character slot and not support

>tq
Contemplating death. My order for militia men got randomly canceled after I’ve waited for over a month for it to come in. Very homicidal rn

>>97026731
Getting ready for an interview later today, plus my 3 Word Bearers dreadnoughts I ordered for Christmas are coming today.

>>97026772
he takes a command slot, not a character slot

in practice this is a means of limiting your choice and encouraging you to take Oversight Delegation detachments alongside your PD or AD, using Command Troops to afford them, but not limiting your ability to load up on rogue psykers if you really want to; since Discipline Masters are your easiest source of high LD etc, you need that, but it would be onerous to require you to take one Command Troop for every three Discipline Masters since you need so many to make your numerous units viable, or to require you to duplicate the detachment tree just to get Mounted DMs for the other half of your army

Among the Ranks balances this out by making you hemmorhage VP when someone figures out your DMs are all separate units

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>>97026731
Staring at this fucking model asking "How tf do I get my brush in there?"

>>97026731
Debating lunch, back to work. Then probably jail breaking a mini NES or recapping a SEGA CD. Hobby wise I'm debating pivoting back to AT or ligma because I unburied my titans from all the titan posting last thread.

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It's my birthday!

Everything has gone wrong!

>>97026884
if you can't get your brush in there, your opponent can't see it x3

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>>97026731
>TQ
drunk

I've had half a bottle of rum already and there's no brakes on this trai nbaybeeeeeeee

>>97026972
how do you dilute that ? cola ?

>>97026731
Deciding whether to change up the color scheme for an army I've already painted over 2000 points for, because I did a one-off with a different hue and like it a lot more.
Otherwise - painting, mostly. Running a demo at the end of the month, met my deadline for getting everything ready on my end, and so I'm moving on to other units in the interim. Gotta get through more of what I have so I can justify spending on new stuff.

>>97026990
Pear soda and ice. It's divine.

>>97026997
i don't have pear soda here

>>97026731
Great work on the pic anon

>>97026731
>TQ
Trying to figure out how to make full infantry/dreadnought pure Sons of Horus Loyalists work and I guess I just... take lascannon heavy squads?

>>97026731
>TQ
Building the last 5 mk2 guys in an AL inductii squad (I am tricky) and wallowing in loneliness

>>97026911
It gets better, unless it gets worse

>>97027038
Destroyer spam

>>97027144
Are destroyers Good or do you think it just sounds cool? (both are valid answers)

>>97027038
Take some saturnine terminators. They get to shoot their guns during volley fire because implacable advance, and as SoH it is at full BS instead of snap shots. Free double shooting phase.

>>97027158
>Are destroyers Good
Destroyers are glass cannons. Theyre expensive for 1w 3+ infantry, but they have a damage output that simply removes if they get to use it. Theyre also a ranged unit with a real shot to score vanguard (if they deep strike) thanks to that.

>>97027144
>>97027038
Destroyer spam is probably not super effective for SoH (relative to other legions) because destroyers have the SoH legion trait built in. They already volley fire at full BS.

>>97027038
Terminators, the answer is terminators. Its both mechanically pretty decent (many lists simply arent equipped to deal with a lot of terminators) but they also take advantage of the SoH trait in a thematic way.

If not that? Take a load of assault weapons, double fire via charges.

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>>97026890
JOIN US

>>97027038
Volkite charger tactical support squads, they don't have support unit and can fire twice.

>>97027038
Volkite charger tactical vets. Stick em in rhinoes and run at the enemy.

>>97026959
>curved. swords.

>>97027038
>I guess I just... take lascannon heavy squads?
Rapiers count as infantry right?

So your choice for long range anti-tank is basically lascannon deredeos, contemptors with lascannons/conversion beamers or rapiers/HSS.

>>97026731
>What'cha doing?
Avoiding work, working on entering some stuff from Shas' 30k homebrew into an excel sheet in the distant hope that I'll be able to use it someday.

Also waiting on GW to restock Warsmiths so I can use one as a Forge Lord.

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Make up three new units just for fun, any Legion.

>>97027630
Disruption squads:
NL destroyer/breacher squad, armed with shotguns, combat shields and grenade launchers with gas grenades (dont do much damage, but cause statuses).

Can be upgraded to have power mauls or chainblades.

>>97027630
AL Elites - Sleeper Cell
>just a vet squad with options of both tac vets and assault vets with both the saboteur and/or inductii rules
DA Elites - Plasma Eradicator Squad
>catas with normal melee options but get plasma blasters/cannons/burners/incineators
WB - Gal Whateverak
>Gal Vorbak with wings/jetpacks

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>>97027630
Deathguard Forge Tyrant
Techmarine with the ability to give a unit poisoned attacks(+3)

Heavy Deathshrouds
Deathshrouds with Saturnine Terminator Armor, still with power scythes

>>97027630
>>97027720
I do like this idea.

>>97027755
>Sleeper Cell
Call me corny but wouldn't it absolutely fuck with some players if you could "turn" one of their squad members against them using a special rule? Like five marines having one of them start firing into his brothers when he hears a codeword.

>>97026763
Noose time

>the best use case for the UM trait is to just not take a praetor so you deny your opponent STW points
Tactically minded, but gay, perfectly on theme for the boys in blue.

>>97027787
>Call me corny but wouldn't it absolutely fuck with some players if you could "turn" one of their squad members against them using a special rule? Like five marines having one of them start firing into his brothers when he hears a codeword.
It would be the most hated rule in the game, but I do think theres something there.

Maybe tie it to a special character/character prime upgrade. Something like "one step ahead: Once per game, at the start of your shooting phase, you may nominate a single unit of enemy [adeptus astartes], [solar auxilia] or [imperialis militia] infantry or cavalry within 24" of this model. The unit must make a leadership test, if it is failed then you roll a D6 for every model in a unit, for every 4+(5+? 6+?) one model (picked by the owning player) is treated as under the control of the Alpha Legion player. It gains the Legiones Astartes [Alpha Legion] trait instead of its current legion trait. All models controlled in such a way are considered a new unit under the control of the Alpha Legion player and are locked in combat with their former unit (for the purposes of any rules that trigger when one unit charged: assume neither side counts as charging)"

>>97027630
IF Elites
>Assault Cannon Saturnine Terminators - they can overwatch for ally units
DA Heavy Assault
>Phosphex Mortar Saturnine Terminators
SoH Elites
>Saturnine Justaerin with Banestrike Heavy Bolters & WS6

>>97027838
These all sound like absolutely terrible ideas. Jesus fucking christ.

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>>97026731

>>97027838
Nice, sounds great.

>>97027855
The last one was a joke but the first one I secretly want.

Saturnine with Assault Cannons & ammo belts would look rad

>>97027630
>SW
rabid scouts, infiltrate (and can charge first turn even if they infiltrate) but have heedless and have to charge if able
>WS
Biker vets, come with power lances and get a bonus vs enemy cav (jousting!)
>NL
Terminators with those big axes their praetor model has

>>97027788
No, I'm not gonna take the knot and I'm not gonna drill any wolf butts.

>>97027884
I think I know which art piece influenced you. But saturnines are a very "specific" unit, one thats balanced by its limited options. Giving them a "generally good" high damage gun like the assault cannon makes their high durability a problem (and its not like their slow speed matters much when they have three assault cannons each)

And on top of that you made them even more obnoxious by letting them overwatch for friendly units. Which further mitigates the normal saturnine weakness of "well what if they simply dont engage with your overpriced terminator deathstar"

>>97027908
This kind of goes for every other "saturnines, but what if they had more annoying guns!" unit. Look at the current saturnine loadout, their generalist gun is that plasma bombard. Which is "okay" but is clearly not a very exceptional weapon. Their other gun is the disintegrator that kills them and has very specific targets it wants to fire at for that exact reason.
Saturnines are incredibly tanky and the sort of unit that very few weapons are designed to kill effectively, this is balanced out by their difficulty in getting to do the things they want to do.

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>>97027630
This

I just want a unit of all meltaguns with some gimmick name and special armour badge.

>>97027959
Veteran Support Squad

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>>97027959
Wish granted

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>>97027630
>WB
Iconoclasts, 5-10 models, elite choice, WS5 Veterans on foot with hand flamers and a choice of weapon from sergeant melee weapons, with malefic, bitter duty, and the desecrators rule from daemons. They can all be upgraded to have melta bombs, 1/5 can replace their melee weapon with a melta gun, multi-melta, flamer, or heavy flamer, the sergeant can replace their pistol with an inferno pistol, and can take a phosphex bomb.

>DG
Trench Raiders, shock assault, 10-20 man unit of despoilers with chain axes, bolt pistols, and rad grenades, 1/5 can replace their chain axe with an alchem flamer or a power weapon, and 1/5 can replace their bolt pistol with an alchem hand flamer or plasma pistol. Sergeant has usual options and can take a phosphex bomb, the whole squad gets +1 CL and move through cover, and a special rule that gives them +2 to their charge move (same wording as fast) if their target is under the effect of a status, but loses line 2.

>IW
Siege Tyrants, 3-6 IW saturnine with a disruption fist, shrapnel bolt cannon, and cyclone missile launcher. Any model can replace their bolt cannon with an autocannon, and they have ignores cover like iron havocs.

>>97026890
If you are straight you will play AT.

>>97027798
Your Praetor loses?

>>97027486
Extremely High T post.

>>97027630
Indomitus command squad: everyone can take terminator melee weapons, combi wespons, one guy can take a standard, one plasma blaster, assault cannon, heavy flamer, or plasma cannon per three guys.

Centurion destroyer: centurion in terminator profile but +1W, can take indomitus armor, standard options but can replace the combi bolter with a storm shield, cataphractii armor can take a multi melta, tartaros armor can take a volkite cuilvern, indomitus armor can take an assault cannon, all can take a heavy flamer.

And Heresy era razorbacks.

>>97027630
Word Bearers suicide bombers that explode into daemons
World Eaters ramming rhinos that are basically rhinos covered in shitton of barbed wire and blades
Naufragia :^)

>>97027630
RG
>Whispecutter
10 slot non bulky open top speeder. Stun missile launcher, shrouded 5+. 16" move 10s, with 3HP. Deepstrike, outflank, assault. Reduces enemy INT within 18" by 3 with janmers.
>Darkwing
BRING IT BACK GW, YOU COWARDS
>Dust Clad
Terran vets in power armor. Praetorian command sqaud equivalent but more options. Hatred(Everything), Precision 5+, Infiltrate (8).

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>>97028065
>>Darkwing
>BRING IT BACK GW, YOU COWARDS
GW doesn't have the guts, they know what they are.

>>97028065
>>Whispecutter
>10 slot non bulky open top speeder. Stun missile launcher, shrouded 5+. 16" move 10s, with 3HP. Deepstrike, outflank, assault. Reduces enemy INT within 18" by 3 with janmers.
Thats just a dark eldar raider you fucker.

For a small (2 man + praetor) saturnine command squad, would you rather take axes or hammers?
Doing the math it seems like the axes are better against the main threats to them but hammers being s8 fuck you bombs is much more consistent if they survive

>>97028237
Fuck's the point of axes? Bulky 4 means you count as what, 12 models? You're never outnumbered, fists are better.

>>97028194
But fewer spikes and the scene in the novel with one was cool.

>>97028272
Fighting just about any terminator brick or any infantry squad that isn't turbo MSU would get you reaping blow plus striking with ap2 at initiative is a massive blowout vs fists/Hammers

>>97028272
AP2 D2 at initiative with good strength. Beats out hammers.

>>97028237
I would go with twin fists.

>>97027630
>wb
A unique support squad variant mainly using plasma and flamers with vanguard. Main gimmick could either be taking d3 wounds to turn off self harm on their plasma or double the shots
>nl
Raptor lord that works like a moritat but trades the dual gun idea for some sort of master crafted flame/volkite pistol, your choice of legion melee option and ws5
>ba
Custom saturnine unit that’s locked to dual fists or new claws. Once per game activate a special pack on the unit that maximizes the setup move on a charge. Make it something absolutely retarded like a full jump pack like what their dreadnought has

So I just read that 5 Book start to the Hersey and I want to know why the fuck was Horus's fall so damn fast?

>>97028385
Plot convenience

>>97027787
Zardu Layak (Word Bearers unique) basically has this

In a world where everybody wants to just throw a spartan full of their best terminators + primarch into the middle of the board
Barring dice luck, are Justaerin + Horus the best here by default or are there any tricky fuckers who get it over on them via better stats/better special rules/whatever?

>>97028527
Lorgar+Phraetus Anointed Conclave could be fun.

>>97028527
Vulkan + firedrakes can get carried by vulkan
without primarchs in the equation NL can kinda stomp it assuming they can get a status off/get the charge with atramentar command squad.

Morlocks and Huscarls are also good, as are Phraetus

>>97026911
just get younger again, forehead

>>97027630
>new units

Prime Advantages are better, they can't be stolen

that's flavor country

>DG
>Death Bringer Prime Advantage
>Siege Breaker locked
>gain an optional special D6 7" template unlimited range Barrage (7) Poisoned (2+) AP5 Breaching (5+) Phage (T) attack at the end of Step 7 of Deployment after all units are down (only gain 1 attack regardless of number of models with this PA)
>Barrage default but can benefit from cognis-signum at -3 INT
>for each template which lands on the table, roll a D6 after resolving the fire group
>on any double 6 the entire battlefield becomes Dangerous Terrain; areas which are already Dangerous or Difficult double their Damage
>Death Bringer gains Bitter Duty and exchanges Command for Sergeant and Champion (so you can still pair him with Moritats usefully)

>BA
>Crown of Ruin Prime Advantage
>Centurion or Terminator Centurion locked
>increase WS by 2, decrease BS by 1
>increase S for Chain weapons by +2 vs Infantry, Cavalry, Paragon via unique Gambit
>double Damage increase granted by Shred automatically
>Fear (2) after winning a Challenge
>Heedless, Bitter Duty, Command type exchanged for Champion

>WE
>Ripper Prime Advantage
>Moritat locked
>exchange both pistols for 1 regular pistol chosen from Legion Pistols list
>gain 2x powered chainaxes or 1x heavy powered chainaxe
>like 2 eviscerators or 1 get fucked erator
>gain Never Back Down and permanent Lost to the Nails
>lose Specialist, gain Champion

>>97028670
>d6! start of game 7" blast
are you high?

>+2WS trait
yup, guess you are

>>97028704
with a 7D6 scatter

yeah because there's no WS7 units in the game with PA that retain Command

if you don't want crazy units don't ask /hhg/

Phage is probably the craziest part of that, honestly.

>>97027630
>IW Trench fighters.
Mortalis Destroyer armed with combat shields, and power weapons.
>DA Ravenwing Knights
Veterans riding Bullock pattern jetbikes
>WB Anointed
Tartaros terminator command squad that "broadcasts" any attached models special rules and leadership to surrounding units.

I have 412 pts left on my list, what do I fill it with
>TS seekers, div librarian with missile support squad
>TS despoilers + librarian
>militia with heavy mortars, lascannons, 1 sentinel (multilas?), and some infantry
>DA tacs + centurion + librarian
>a laspred and araknae

This is gonna sound silly, how often do you see 20 men Tactical vs. 10 men Tactical. In your experiences, what is more common in your play?
As of now, I got 20 MKVI dudes, I’m gonna build another set of 20 MKVI dudes. 20 MKIII despoiler dudes. 5 MKIII hand flamers. 5 MKIII flame throwers.
I’m going with the Pyrae Arcana theme for the Thousand Sons. I just think flame wielding wizards are dope

>>97029156
Only see 10 man squads in the new edition. Don't blame people, because outside of farming VP on an objective tactical squads are completely useless now.

>>97029156
I've run a 20-man pyrae despoiler blob and a 50-man levy mob. Neither performed very well but at least the levy blob distracted a volkite kratos, which is more than I can say for the despoilers.

>>97029190
>tactical squads are completely useless now.
Literally higher damage than last edition.

>>97029214
It doesn't do shit. Even terminators are toughness 5 now, nothing cares about being shot by bolters. Except for other cheap chaff, but everything kills tacticals now that they lost heart of the legion.
Also, for only 20 points more than a bare bones tactical squad most people take nuncio vox btw you can have a plasma predator which can kill elite and heavy infantry in addition to cleaning up tactical squads. If they didn't have Line 2, nobody would bring tactical squads.

>>97029241
>nothing cares about being shot by bolters
Everything that cared about being shot with bolters last edition still cares about being shot with bolters.

>for more points you can take a tank which has higher damage output
I wasnt aware predators were a troops choice now.

>>97029156
I use to always run my 20 man blob with apothecary in 2.0. did it once in 3rd and never again. Too slow, blasts are back and too killy, and my chain bayonets are too expensive and worthless (I play strict WYSIWYG).

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I do not like this Corswain. His smug aura mocks me.

>>97029249
>Everything that cared about being shot with bolters last edition still cares about being shot with bolters.
which brings us back to
>nothing cares about being shot by bolters

>>97029280
I see were trying the "tacticals are shit now because tacticals were always shit" card.

Bold.

>>97029249
No unit that mattered cared about being shot by bolters.

Which FOC slot a unit is has become meaningless with the new detachments system, you can do whatever the fuck you want if you bring a couple of centurions.
Except for spam dreadnoughts.

>>97029289
>tacticals are shit now because tacticals were always shit

Exactly. There's a reason GW has always had to force people to take troops through compulsory slots or whatnot. Troops tax has been a term for decades.

How many tacticals is to many?

>>97029427
I would say 8 units is excessive. 6 is probably the highest I would go.

>>97029427
Every army should start with 40 of either tactical or despoilers, 20 of whichever you didn't pick, and then 20 of either breacher or assault squad. You can wrap back around and bolster of your other 20 blocks up to 4, or 2 to 30, for a nice lean 100 later, but 40 troops is a good start before you can get to the other parts of your force

>>97027990

We warned you about those Monkey's Paw's my dude. We warned you about the Paws.

>>97029300

There's still that one Consul that let's you take 3 Contemptors.

>>97029544
Oh true, forgot about him.

So what books are either good or must reads for the Heresy? I don't care if it adds much or not as long as it's decent

>>97029754
False Gods
A Thousand Sons
The First Heretic

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>>97027630

>Mechanicum
Protector Squad. [Arcana] Retinue squad of 3-5 cheapish bodyguard adepts, generic Mechanicum techpriest statline but with 4+ saves and fairly poor mental stats, as well as no comptroller/battlesmith/firing/protocols. The entire squad starts with bolt pistols only and must choose to take one option each from either the Mech Ranged Weapons list (in which case the squad gains Implacable Advance) or the Mech Melee Weapons list (in which case the squad gains Infiltrate (12). Generic scoring squad to put with a Magos if you don't have better ones in your arcana, as well as a replacment for the old servo-automata with actual gun options.

>Also Mechanicum
Aerostatic. [Arcana] Transport flyer with a couple of ball-turreted heavy weapons, the usual list. Because it's a hovering airship it has a custom strike mission that brings it in, drops off the squad inside and then anchors it in place unable to move for the rest of the game like a floating drop pod, where it can hose down whatever.

>Alpha Legion
False Contacts, a 0-1 prime advantage. Whenever you would deploy that unit anywhere but inside a transport, you can put a marker down/move the existing marker to where it would be deployed and leave it in Reserves. In the Reserves phase of any future turn, after you roll reserves, you can choose to ignore the result and automatically deploy it at the marker unless there's an enemy unit next to said marker, at which point it's vulnerable to Intercept (and having a bunch of bad guys standing on the marker, at which point you can't select it because there's no viable space for it to deploy in). I like the idea of a unit threatening to outflank on both board edges and then just popping in in your deployment zone because there's a squad to clear up there after all. Could have way more restrictions or be a bespoke squad of recons or something, I just like blips.

So this sounds retarded
I’m looking at Veteran Tactical Squads
>’For every five models in this unit, one veteran in this unit may have its bolster exchanged from the Legion Special Weapons List…’
This is the retarded part: do they mean one of the five or do you need to have more than five models?
I swear I’m not this much of an idiot.

>>97029796
one of the five.

"for every five models in the unit", not "five models with normal weapons".

>>97029821
Now I get it, I’m sorry that I couldn’t get my brain around.
So if I had 10 Veterans with Disintegrator Rifles, of the 10, I can exchange 2 for Disintegrator blasters?

>>97029847
Yea. Or heavy disintegrators.

Hey anons, do any of you guys have any good vehicle stls? The mastodon file I'm using doesn't play well with my Bambu A1 (though I'm certain that's mostly user error).

What sites do people use to download audiobooks?

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I've assembled my beefed up tartaros centurion. I wanted to make an ammo feed like the moritat's but I wasn't able to so I just plugged a wire into the armor

Is there any writing on pre-Dread designs? Since the Age of Strife and Unification Wars are functionally only ever mentioned in the same way a wikipedia article without any information is, I can only assume there's very little out there. I am just trying to wrap my head around how the hell they rapidly ramped up their creation to the point of having multiple different production models even before the Horus Heresy. Were they STCs? Archeotech that someone found and said, "Fuck it, put a space marine in here." If so, why only Space Marines? How is it that there is no similar device for the great human warriors? Clearly it isn't because Marine bodies can withstand the process, as they're throwing various levels of meat sack into a machine and hoping it'll turn on. It also implies that they were specifically made for Marines, which means they were designed before Marines were ever actually fielded in large numbers. Both of these implications seem... weird.

>>97030631
>If so, why only Space Marines?
Dreadnoughts were also used by the Imperial Army before the HH.

>>97030769
Interesting, why was that not continued? Is there any information on where they came from? I understand the reason they don't throw just anyone in them. But it also seems a bit weird that the Imperium doesn't take its greatest heroes who are slain (or near enough) and hurl them into a Dread to keep fighting. Surely if they can do that for #2305812 Spess Mahreen they can do that for a character who was truly important during a battle.

>>97030780
Most info on dreadnought origins was in Imperial Army Volume 2, which is quite old now And it's been a while since I've read it But basically dreadnoughts are reserved for marines for the same reasons rhinos and land raiders are in 40k: there aren't many of them, they barely understand the tech well enough to maintain and repair them, and only a very small number of new ones can be constructed at any time. Some castraferrum dreadnoughts even are relics dating from the Age of Strife.

>>97030631
The people of Albion used steam belching proto dreadnoughts

>>97030878
The perfidious anglo struck again?

>>97027630
AL hoplite/phalangite larpers, kind of like a proto-Iron Snakes

>Retinue, WS5 power lance + combat shield
>Army cannot take Rewards of Treachery, but probably some other rule to compensate

>>97030253
Thats cool

>>97031053
Thank you

Are militia grenadiers just useless unless you pick a provenance to unlock more guns?

>>97027630
Solar Auxilia: Portable atomantic shield to give my poor infantry an invulnerable save. If the legions can put one onto a disposable turret, the Auxillia can have one for themselves. Even if it's on a LoW

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I thought disintegrator rifles had 2 shots but it's only 1. Suddenly I'm less enthusiastic about a jump comand squad with them. Maybe just 5 guys instead of 10.

>>97031420
Kind of, but then Volkite Grenadiers end up being more expensive than Veletaris.

>>97030253
What plastic card do you use for bolts?

>>97031847
Last edition they only had one shot but insta killed most things so

>>97031972
>could potentially instakill some things
FTFY. Anyone who tries to tell you disintegrators were actually an effective weapon last edition is gaslighting you.

>>97026731

Got back from playing some Legions Imperialis at my LGS, filling out job applications but the job market is dogshit right now.

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>>97026731
painting Dark Mech Triarios and Termite proxies. The Ohmu hunger!

>>97032000
Got pics?

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>Word salad trying to figure out the apothecary rules for 3.0
What the fuck why cant GW into simple easy to read rules

>>97030090
Bump for this, I have a boring 12hr job and I destroy any audiobook I can get my hands on. Fuck AI YT channels.
Also I was thinking about BFG again yesterday

>>97032008
Where are these from?

>>97031989

It wasn't that they were effective, it's that they were rare and therefore cool. Now that anybody can just have them, they're basically just Plasma 2.0
Gone are the days of the entire community trying to theorycraft how to make a Moritat with 2 of them work. Iron Hands and Space Wolves were the best options we came up with FYI. The former for the improved Invuln, the latter for the +1 Wound armour. That said, IH Mori's usually were much better off with dual Grav Pistols since those things could SHRED Contemptors thanks to Haywire.

That said, you can do that now pretty well thanks to Overcharged Plasma Pistols. You might need a second guy, but it's pretty doable. Easily if you're running that one Blackshields Oath that can make them BS7.

Have there been any descriptions of custodes wearing anything other than gold and red in heresy era?

>>97032506
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Shadowkeepers

>>97032237
Apothecary lets you make the Medic! AR for a unit

make the AR during shooting attack

can then make Recovery Test (roll 4+ for an Unsaved Wound to reduce its Damage Characteristic by 1)

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>>97032583
WHAT DOES IT MEAN ANON
REACTIONS SHOULD NOT BE IN 30K OR 40K FUCK THIS AGE OF SMEGAR SHIT

>>97032592
it's pretty self explanatory anon you dumb bitch

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>>97032594
fuck you im going back when warhammer gave you chest hair

Ded thred
Ded gaem

>>97032008
La la laaa la

>>97032600
the marauder on the left fits in more with aos now than it does with the old world.

>>97032920
Like the good old days.

>>97029754
HH novels, definitive tier list so far
S TIER
>False Gods
>Fulgrim
>The Outcast Dead
>The Primarchs
>The Damnation of Pythos
>Shattered Legions
A TIER
>Deathfire
>Fear to Tread
>Flight of the eisenstein
>Legion
>Tales of Heresy
>Scars
>Path of Heaven
>Sons of the Emperor
>Vulkan Lives
B+ Tier
>age of darkness
>a thousand sons
>know no fear
>shadows of treachery
>unremembered empire
>deliverance lost
B tier
>vengeful spirit
>pharos
>galaxy in flames
>horus rising
>legacies of betrayal
c tier
>angel exterminatus
>promethean sun
trash tier
>betrayer
>the first heretic

>>97030780
Dreads are expensive to produce and dont really mesh with the fighting style of the imperial army proper. Being in a dread is also taxing on the occupant in its own way, so marines are better suited to it.

>>97033217
bait

Feels weird that there were never character novels/novellas for anybody but the primarchs (and also Garro for some reason). You'd think by now there would be a GARVIEL LOKEN: THE WHITE WOLF or an EREBUS: THE HAND OF DESTINY.

>>97031989
They werent effective, but they were scary.

>>97033311
At least we have a book for Eidolon, everyone's favorite traitor!

>>97033217
You got trash tier partially right, but you forgot to include every other HH book as well.

>>97033381
But I wanted Lucius...

>>97032920
Adeptus Titanicus ISNT dead there are dozens of us

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Are the Betrayal at Calth and Burning of Prospero boxes worth anything today? Their miniatures are still being sold, right? (outside of the MkIII minis)

>>97033627
Theyre OOP, so theres bound to be a collector for them.

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Anons, do you guys have any ideas on stuff to put on my Vindicator dozer blades? I still have to prime and sand these guys but I'm looking for ideas on graffiti to put on them. I'm AL and usually play against my DG buddy.

I was thinking something along the lines of picrel or "wait for flash", but I'd love to hear your ideas.

>>97033217
>HH novel tier list
>doesn't start at trash tier
Shit list

>>97033697
Damn those lines look like shit.
Just use a resin printer your FDM is too shit.

>>97033697
>I was thinking something along the lines of picrel or "wait for flash"
That sounds good

>>97033627
With their manlet marines and the worst dreadnought ever produced?
Yeah bro no one wants that shit. As for the game, no one cares. I remember when that box was released- people literally left the extra cardboard in the store in the garbage can

>>97033627
Only the Cataphractii terminators and characters models are still sold

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>>97033719
>worst dreadnought ever produced?
There's a certain charm to the absolutely unhinged build process to it

>>97033746
MkIV marines are still being sold online AFAIK, and the new Contemptor is better

>>97033748
It might have looked like shit
It might have been the most monopose plastic mini of all time (at that point)
But fuck me, there was some mould magic at play there because he came together in 10 pieces

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Why don't contemptors get a big flamer option?

>>97033869
bc 3.0 sucks

>>97033869
Because GWs too much of a coward to give contemptors a little tank trailer like the infernus

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>>97033869
Because they're saved for the SUPERIOR dreadnought because flamethrowers are a silly weapon outside of close quarters situation like trenches or ship interiors

>>97031967
I've got a sheet that's about as thin as paper.

>>97034030
Imagine if it had legs.

>>97033869
They have a big flamer dont they? Also they can take heavy flamers in their fists.

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>>97033869
Why don't contemptors get a missile arm option?

>>97034361
Because we got doritos

>>97033697
I think "smile and wait for flash" would be cool. "Forgive me" or "Terra or bust" could be cool too, depending on how torn up about the heresy your dudes are

>>97034361
bobr kurwa! thats why.

Because the missile option on the dread is a carry over from 40k

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Man, just when I was starting to forget the "fun" of having to finish the sculptor's job...resin vehicles never ever

>>97034446
And now you don't even get the fancy shoulders or legs it's just the egg you have to finish carving :^)

>>97033748
what the fuck

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>>97034744
>To show you the power of bonding studs, I sawed this Dreadnought in half!

>>97034922
no but seriously
I knew that BaC dread was considered dogshit but I didn't expect THAT

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>Where is the rest of it, Drake?

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>>97034931
>>97034923
I'm sure Steiner's legacies doc will include them.

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Trying to balance out my army. Planning on getting 12 of the new terminators but is this an /aesthetic/ ratio of infantry and armor, especially for iron warriors?

>>97034396
the old, old RT metal dreads the Contemptors are a callback to had a missile arm, it's sort of a weird omission

>>97034054
Lovely mini, post more of the army pls

>>97034138
Oh sheeit

>>97035049
No Tyrant siege terminators? Sweet army btw

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>>97034977
Mein Kriegsmeister...

>>97035220
I don't want to get the manlet terminators, might convert some with the new ones later.

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>>97035222
Once again I'm betrayed by FW, this is a disservice to the entire heresy community.

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>>97035304
Might as well get the tortuga ones then bothering with the nu crap

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>>97026731
Debating whether I want to really lean in to the Saturnine theme and make a full 2k all Saturnine terminator and dreadnought army

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So while my birthday yesterday was dog-ass, coming back to the thread and seeing a bunch of replies to my silly little post actually made this morning feel better.

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>>97035633

>>97035462
that's like 10 guys

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>>97035697
12 actually. And 2 dreads

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>Full colour artwork of the standard edition cover, character portraits of Chief Librarian Prayto, Dark Apostle Adraharsis, Gene-witch Heliosa-78, and Warsmith Ortag Theokon, and tarot-style illustrations of Rogal Dorn and Roboute Guilliman

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>>97035794
>tarot-style illustrations of Rogal Dorn and Roboute Guilliman
We're doing this again? After all the space dad pictures in SoT?

>69 dollars, goy
>enjoy your Not-hydra platform that can't depress and elevates 5 degrees
Lol I got 2 for less than 50. This kit is a joke.

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>>97036577
Ahem

blood

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Ancients Caspar, Melchior, and Beltazar of the Annunake

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It's pretty cool though.

Is there any reason to ever use a power scythe over say a thunderhammer, lightning claws, or power fist outside style points? They just seem very mid for the points.

>>97037563
Drip

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>>97033869
Why doesn't literally everything have a big flamer option? Contemptors, leviathans, deredeos, saturnine, knights, Thanatars, castellax and thallax.
It's the most aesthetic weapon option out there.

>>97037607
Figured as much.
Time to get some jump packs, green stuff some cloaks, and do an assault squad. Between that and the Alchemical Flamers, DG are pretty "bleh" this edition, but I may as well finish up the last of the big 4.

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One of the AT guys I play with (one of because I live in a civilized society that has AT players) got me a Christmas present and I don't know what to get them. I was thinking a couple knights but they aren't really into them and I don't want to give them back a present that's a hundred dollars more than what they got me...
Any suggestions?

>>97037784
I feel like melee weapons have lost a lot of paunch this edition. A lot of legion specific melee weapons are either just regular weapons with an extra rule, or a slightly modified profile that's more about being balanced than being unique.

>>97037801
some ligma stuff? maybe auxilia infantry or some tanks for base decoration or objective markers - maybe the darkmech walkers if hes a traitor and is into that, since they have rules?

>>97037817
I think most of the blame lies in the points prices of the weapon lists. I think sometimes getting a thunder hammer J's mere +5 pts over a regular power sword lol. Legion specific blades just can't compete with that. It's like the chinese market

>>97037855
Yeah, a plasma pistol and a power sword should not be as much as a power fist.

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>>97037801
Get the ruins set, or a weapon set.

>>97037817
Depends on what stuff. Meteor Hammers are pretty good, while scythes for instance are overpriced for what they do.
Some legions just made out better than others. Like Salamanders just doing what Death Guard do, but better.

I like the edition well enough, but there's certainly some spots that need polishing.

>>97037948
This.
Or spider bots.

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So wtf are people playing. 3.0? 2.0? Content creator special edition? Feels like 30k is already too fragmented.

>>97035794
going to fucking kill myself when its sold out when i try to preorder

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>>97038163
Titanicus

>>97038163
3.0, in fact my weekly game is tomorrow

>>97029312
Among tournament-brained subnormals, sure. Actual gamers took Troops because Troops are the foundational part of their faction's military, so why wouldn't you take them?

>>97038163
Nothing, 3.0 killed my local scene stone dead because the only thing anyone could agree on was that 3.0 was shit. I'm going to try and bully my cousin into a 1.0 ZM game over the holidays but that'll probably be the last I see for a long time.

>>97038163
3.0, we're all having fun. Unfortunately holidays mean games are getting scarcer, had yo delay my game this weekend for 2 weeks because my wife's folks are coming to town.

>>97033697
"Bring back the bomb"

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>>97038504
Bring back the bomb, it's been far too long
Summon the brazen war chariot

>>97035304
>>97035386
I second tortuga, they also look like the classic terminators not the nu-crap.

Anvilindustry sells missile launchers, I used those on my tyrant conversion btw.

>>97035633
Cheer up butter cup, life is up and downs, you are welcome here anytime frend.

>>97033697
The classic "Panie Truman zrzuć ta bania, bo to już nie do wytrzymania". Very nice, very characterful.

>>97038163
3.0, the YouTuber and x.217653 editions all collectively suck donkey anus. They all tend to hyper focus on one thing and shit the bed because they’re all made by egotists transexuals or future transexuals(looking at you Mr cylinder)

>>97038163
1.0 with the mournival stuff and epic armageddon with a mishmash of the australian armylists for 30k, some of the russian stuff and some of our own homebrew which should be tested more before being released out in the wild. I'm also eyeing some ships for my EA 30k armies but I don't think I'll be playing battlefleet heresy (the homebrew and the official one that might come). I'll probably try the rpg when it comes out but I have played enough rpgs that I don't have much hope for it going by what are supposed to be it's selling points.

>>97026731
So how do you guys model your inductii to distinguish them from regular tactical squads?

>>97039345
I put them in MkVI.

>>97038212
That Warlords anus is in danger

>>97039345
Well, my legion's inductii are based on Despoilers, so I usually start there.

>>97035794
Just post the artwork

>>97039095
battlefleet heresy is okay tbqh. its basically just bfg with imperial vs chaos. yeah it can get samey but those were the most developed fleets anyway, and the legion rules are mostly decent. its fine for a break imo

i really didnt like the epic30k rules though. even legion had a hundred million options and yet nothing super special for any one legion so it was incredibly samey, and mechanicum were pretty OP in my experience. Ligma has better list composition even if the base rules are terrible. ligma would be okay enough if you moved and shot in the same activation

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Least hairsome VI legionary.

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that time the AL turned traitor and quadruble agent, after they watched a youtube conspiracy video, made by an alien who despises humanity

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Least legionary DA legionary.

>>97039619
Is that supposed to be Luther? Why is he outfitted like he's a regular astartes and not a tiny geezer like Kor Phaeron?

>>97039345
I don't take Inductii I just bitch endlessly about them online

>>97039587
Then once I get enough ships I might try it but considering how abstract the AU ship statlines are I doubt that what I'm planning to build will fit BFH as is without some proxying.

The AU rules were (abandoned) wips and were pushed out alongside the 30k releases to give stats to the forumware stuff getting made. Glyn from the netEA forums is making a list that strips most of the options, fixes some mistakes and rebalances everything to fit with the other netEA lists while the epicHAMMER group is going the opposite direction and going balls to the wall with options and special rules. There are other successors to the AU lists but most of the time I'm not too interested in what they do so I just pilfer stuff from those 2.

I like that LIgma is giving us epic scale 30k stuff without having to jump to secret handshakes groups to get some but that's that. There were a lot of things I wished from LIgma which weren't done which would make playing it now leave a sour taste in my mouth even if they decided to fix them (like those sections in the core rules that go nowhere and don't get referenced by anything or the infantry miniature having those undercuts).

>>97039723
Because he wasn't an old man like kor pharon. So he could get more augmented.

>>97039345
My tacs are in mk6 and my inductii are in mk2
This too is a lie

I have a question for the three sisters of silence players in the world: Is there a way to get a bunch of them (20~) without it costing an arm and a leg?

>>97040407
Either printing or blue stuff casting.
Or robbing the other two SoS players

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>sky hunter squads on ebay cost almost 50% more than they were 18 months ago

>>97040546
We deserve to suffer!

>>97039746
Whats wrong with them?

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>>97040552
It's accelerating my need for a 3D printer.
I didn't mind being a plastic only piggie for a while, but the lack of value is quickly over taking the convenience.

>3.0

>>97040593
Yeah. If I wasn't just accessorizing indiviuals I would too but chinaman is still cheap enough for those bits

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>>97040619
It might be to my detriment, but as a burger-blooded american, I can't bring myself to by from commies. Their dealers have to at least ship from with the US.

>>97040576
nothing

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>>97039619
This is how I Luther

>>97040740
Nice primaris marine

>>97038163
3.0, we've experimented wit cover rules and decided just to use in/out/not through.We also let characters take whatever from the officer list. Its been fun.

>>97040669
Then why are you bitching about them?

>>97040661
It is considering you're partaking in a British company's game in an economy that's already 90% made in China.

>>97040879
/hhg/

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>Another episode of can't fit all the cool stuff into my list

>>97041457
Make a bigger list.

>>97041464
I'm sitting at >4000 points already

>>97041457
Cut useful things for cool things

>>97041457
I know that feel. Currently trying to justify getting a recast or printed Termite myself.

>>97041494
I feel like its fairly easy to justify. It (and the drop pod) are one of the few ways to take a DS transport, which is situationally very powerful (or at least very interesting).

How else are you going to teleport 10 meltas/flamers/whatever right where you need them?

>>97041481
coward

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>>97041481
11,000pts.

>>97026731

>TQ

Recovering from Covid, sux

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>>97026731
yuh

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I read this, it's funny. The idea of dropping giant robots on the defenders to tip the scales is framed like deep insight.

>‘You will go to the surface. You will direct your Legion to encircle the walls of the Palace with unbreakable siege lines. Yes, improve the contravallation. Yes, have your Stor Bezahsk show the others how to conduct a barrage. But this is not all I wish you to accomplish. Very soon the Emperor’s grip on the warp around Terra will be prised loose. Mortarion, Angron and Fulgrim will then descend, and the Neverborn allies our patrons promise will be able to manifest soon afterwards. You will–’ Horus broke off suddenly and looked up, hearkening to a call Perturabo couldn’t hear. The Warmaster’s gaze slid along the lines of motionless Word Bearers. He stared into nothingness for a while, then regarded his brother again.

>‘So there is nothing for me to do other than dig more ditches while false gods steal my victory?’ said Perturabo.

>‘No, my dear brother. All the daemons spawned since time began will not win us victory. Nor will the Legiones Astartes. We require a greater power.’

>‘Titans,’ said Perturabo decisively. ‘Landing our Titans without their destruction is the key. Too far from the Palace, they are at risk of counter-attack. Too near, and their landing craft will be targeted and brought down.’

>Horus nodded. A pointed tongue slid along teeth that appeared momentarily sharp.

>‘You will have your victory, and all the triumphs due you. When you accomplish the task I set you, every creature in the galaxy will know your name, all shall fear you. None shall doubt your brilliance.’

>Perturabo listened, rapt.

>‘Only you can do this.’ Horus gripped Perturabo’s pauldrons in both hands and stared into his eyes. Heat from the Warmaster’s body warmed his armour. ‘You will find me a way to get Titans past the wall, Perturabo,’ said Horus, ‘and directly into the Imperial Palace.’

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Have they announced how many books there will be in the Scouring series?

>>97038163
Local friend group plays our own 2.5 edition.

>>97041817
>Too far from the Palace, they are at risk of counter-attack
I don't get this

>>97041878
It takes time to close the distance from point A to point B. The greater the distance, the more time it takes to close it. The more time it takes to close it, the more time there is for the enemy to prepare a counterattack.

>>97041817
The whole point of this scene isnt actually about the robots. Its just Horus knowing he has to stroke his brothers ego because hes the only one with the big fuck off artillery systems capable of destroying the walls AA systems which were constantly obliterating their airships and subsequent transports

>>97041817
Ah yes, the steategic geniuses.
What was there no satalite to drop from orbit? He did that like three times.

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>>97038163
Lots of 3.0, local scene and surrounds has revived. Hobby vibes are good, getting lots of games in and making new projects and events.

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I'm tempted to after my word bearers dive back into the blackshields mines with a bunch of pseudo astartes corpses being puppeteered by my mechanicum as frontline assault force after the loyalists blew the Forge world up, severely crippling their forces. It'd be interesting basically making the main fighting forces of my late heresy mechanicum, as I haven't really done that yet, the only real hints of it are my scoria standin who's built from a lord discordant as a "gift" from the word bearers as the prime heretek of the Forge world.

>>97041511
It's more just the models don't really do anything much at all once you deploy them, so why bother

It would help getting breacher vets into "fuck you" territory though.

>>97042557
>It's more just the models don't really do anything much at all once you deploy them, so why bother
It has melta guns and can drive around. It also lets you deep strike dudes.

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Is there a scan yet?

>>97042680
No.

>>97042152
Based

>vindicator cannon still small blast ap3
>objectively better anti vehicle weapon option
why does gw hate him bros?

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>>97026731
Which way western man

>>97042753
>>objectively better anti vehicle weapon option
But it isnt.

>>97042753
Eh not really, the demolisher cannon is nesr impossible to miss on a vehicle and even accounting for armor bane pens more reliably then the laser destroyer due to higher strength. The laser destroyer is only better for targeting specifically 2+ save non vehicles that you can get a lot of hits on, because 5-6 ap3 breaching 5+ hits is still better than 2 AP2 shots that still need to roll to hit.

>>97042788
I wonder how they'll rape Tartaros

>>97042867
Hard to make tartaros look worse tbqf

>>97042873
>:C

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>too afraid to build anything because termies and mkiv and mkiiis are OOP

>>97042753
The demolisher cannon is more flexible (and cheaper) than the laser destroyer.

It is however worse vs tanks (because its shorter range makes its ordnance(D) much harder to proc) and only Ap3 so you arent flattening entire terminator units.

>>97042921
>He didn't stockpile kits for when they inevitably go oop
Skill issue

>>97027630
Easy pezzy, im not gonna be able to make a clever name for all of them but off the top of my head

>WE
Vet breachers that come stock with Chain blades and get a bonus attack and dont have the heavy key word, their thing that makes them special rule is, they can treat any vehicle as an assault vehicle meaning if they jump out of a vheicle VIA deep strike they can charge.

>DA: Naufragia
This one could either be saturnine or Cata terminators
Either way their stock load out would be power fist + plasma canon, SGT can take Phosphex bombs and 1 out of every 5(If saturning 1 out of 3) can take a phosphex canister launcher Which is 18" small blast Phosphex bomb

>TS or WB: Sorcerer Cabal
HQ choice would be a sorcerer who can buy Thralls to accompany him, and eat his perils of the warp and or sacrifice them in order to gain stronger spells when he casts.

>Bonus Dark angel unit: Raven wing retinue
Can be mounted on outriders or Sky hunters, more or less the same load out at Preator retinue but all of them gain implacable advance, firestorm, hit and run.

>>97042944
>Chain blades
Sorry not chain blades, Chain axes. also the entire unit itself has breaching 6+ on chain axes.

>>97042944
>meaning if they jump out of a vheicle VIA deep strike they can charge.
Thats not how assault vehicles work.

>>97042976
It do be when you are coming in outta deep strike though.

>>97042935
without getting getting scalped? it's been a rough couple of years

>>97042921
What's the point of having kits if you're not going to use them? Stop being a redditor.

>>97043027
You're money's no good if you don't spend it

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>>97043030
>"i need to save it for my magnum opus project"
>continues to not get any better at the hobby

>>97042921
>>97043045
just buy recasts until you unpussify yourself for the plastics

>>97043141
>le pussie faggarino

>>97041858
No but in 10 years I don't doubt we'll hear how they planned 8 and it ended up being 40 books

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>Recast interemptors arrived
>Discover the kit comes with a rad missile launcher
>Can now also build a mortalis destroyer squad with models and bits I already own, rather than have to order some destroyer models

Can hopefully finally post again, IP range ban has lasted for days now. No idea what I did wrong

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>>97044044
Welcome back, fuck the jannies and have fun with your destroyer project anon

>>97042921
Get 3d prints

>>97042921
That's funny, I still see them in stock on my recaster's site :^)

>>97040740
>Luther
Sounds very similar to Lucifer very sus very faustian

>>97044044
Gotta shill those passes :^)
What does the rad launcher look like, the standard destroyer one or different?

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>>97044230
its launcher shaped

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Staring at the blank page before you
Open up the dirty window
Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

Reaching for something in the distance
So close you can almost taste it
Release your inhibitions

Feel the rain on your skin
No one else can feel it for you
Only you can let it in

No one else, no one else
Can speak the words on your lips
Drench yourself in words unspoken

Live your life with arms wide open
Today is where your book begins
The rest is still unwritten

>>97036966
>They bring Baby Jesus lead, phosphex and plasma

>>97040740
great model

>>97043045
Anon if I didn't get better in 35 years, and infact got worse over the years. I think your argument fails in my case.

>>97043594
It makes me wonder if I should buy any of the physical books. If it was SoT-sized, I wouldn't mind having 10-12 extra books in my collection. To buy 20+ books is a no-no for me.

>>97044547
anon...

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Mechanicum list building is a fucking multilayered convoluted mess and I love it

I think NLs should also have a jump pack dreadnought.

if you turned a rapist into an astartes what would they be like? i mean the NLs had to have done it

>>97044983
aren't astartes selected from children

>>97044998
ranges
i think mid to late teens is still viable to start the process. you have companions of primarchs becoming astartes

Are there any full leaks of the first Scouring book?

>>97045040
Spoilers for the whole thing were posted weeks ago.

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>>97045040
>femstodes
into the trash it goes

>>97045075
But I don't want spoilers.

>>97044686
life is what it is young anon. And one of the things that saves you from getting crazy when you are old or outright physical hamr, is knowing where your limitations end and what stuff you do, could once do and no longer can do.

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>>97045154
no, anon, to be able to go 35 years of practice with no improvement means you unironically suffer from some sort of brain damage.

>>97045076
Semi-related but if (when) they update the Custodes kits to add femstodes, they should give the female heads hair styles based on those from antiquity, rather than those dumb half shaved heads they give most of the sig-marines.

>>97044983
>>97044998
The teen thing is mostly 40k, because the techniques/surgeries and geneseed have degraded over 10 millenias.

Luther and Kor Phaeron couldn't be made into proper space marines because they were old.

To answer the question; depends on the psycho indoctrination

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>2 ten year old boys duking it out

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>>97045185
It would be a "40k" refresh, and those have been interesting.

>>97044983
>i mean the NLs had to have done it
Yeah, and incredibly those rapists were not only preadolescent children, but also the most hardened and violent criminals on the whole planet. It's shocking but completely true.