>>97030179
>and freelancers' genitals
what

>>97030395
Why do you keep posting kindr*d wom*n with ass? I refuse to go along with the psyop

The Mummy in Cheif could be building a massive pyramid under the DC as well as Obelisks around the DC area to create a "Spirit Web" State side, but it's fucking with whatever the players are up to. What are the players up to?

>>97030025
I guess i am not a man with the proportional strenght of a dub
>>97030039
I've only read from the last couple of threads i think. Started reading on the Hot Fuzz police lady wanting to remove the womb of a Hunter's mother right?
Pretty kino i really hope that GM makes a doc featuring everything
>>97030179
>RPG.Net mod
Whoa buddy i already despise him you don't need to keep diggin when you already struck gold.
>>97030326
Considering that most splats do feature allegories for abusive relationships seeing a game around being the abuser could be a novel concept if it wasn't for the fact that it's done with zero nuance.
Good thing Deviant occupied the niche that a monster mash game needed.

Roles are reversed. Lasombra, Tzimisce, Setite, Ravnos, Giovanni and Assamite are six of the seven clans that founded the Camarilla.

Meanwhile, Ventrue lead the Sabbat alongside the Brujah/Toreador/Malkavian (choose whichever sounds more plausible to you as the Tzimisce counterpart)

Four of the original seven became the independent clans.

What do you think this upside down world would be like?

>>97030516
>choose whichever sounds more plausible to you as the Tzimisce counterpart
You already said Malkavian.

>>97030516
i think that camarilla collapses pretty early because the setites hate the assamites and giovanni. the assamites hate the (mainline christian)lasombra and setites. the giovanni hate the setites and lasombra and everyone hates the ravnos

and i don't see the tzimisce of all people being able to play mediator well enough (especially because they don't like most of them as well) to not cause the sect to collapse into civil war. especially because we know that the lasombra and tzimisce on their own aren't able to keep the sabbat from killing the majority of their population in civil wars every few hundred years

>>97030516
I guess, in the perspective of mortals, traditional movie vampires don't really care about being found out by humans but the more you fall into the vampire rabbit hole conspiracy the more wacky and crazy their powers become.

>>97030516
>would be like
A lot more mystical since Lasombra, Setites, Giovanni, and independent Tremmy would be likely work together a lot more. In fact the inverted Sabbat probably gets steamrolled by mystic supremacy

>>97030414
He raped a bunch of the OPP freelancers and invited them to live in his house and...look he was a fucking disaster. A couple freelancers got hired just because McFarland thought they'd be easy to manipulate, all women (or trannies at least) and usually autistic. Makes sense, since his day-job is working with autistic kids for the Cleveland public school system.

One minor but slightly amusing problem of vtm is that if you have even a couple of the secret blood cults present in any given metropolis you rapidly have too many vampires for their stated numbers.
Like with vampire numbers being what they are, it should be less that there are secret bahari or secret trinity adherents or mithradatists or whatever ina city, but more that the vampires in a specific city just have a weird religion.
This isn't a problem in any actual play scenario because everyone just assumes there's way more vampires, as do all the secondary pieces of media.

>>97030516
nuSabbat dies immediately, Ventrue have nothing without underlings to boss around

>>97030516
My only comment is that it is obvious that the sabbat lore was written later sinply because the brujah being on the camarilla side during the first anarch revolt makes less than zero sense.
>so the ventrue elders are literally feeding the young vampires to the inquisition in order to maintain their cushy lifestyles and hierarchy, I as a brujah am all for this.

>>97030595
If i was assigning clans to the sabbat based on their background story, literally nome of the sabbat clans would go in the sabbat except Panders.

>>97030395
In the mixed-splat chronical that I played in, we had a lot of dealings with the local changelings. When they needed our help, they would often pay us with glamour-infused objects; which we could then trade back if we needed something from them. These were all clearly magic but usually of almost no practical value. Anyway, the one that sticks in my mind was a bath toy which would not only make you really horny but also prevent the water from washing away your natural lubrication if you got busy in the tub.

if we are talking alternative cams and sabbats then my last crusader king game ended with:

Camarilla: Ventrue, Toreador, Tzimisce, Assamites, Brujah and Malkavian
Sabbat: Lasombra, Tremere, Nosferatu and Cappadocians (giovanni rebellion didn't happen)
neutral: Setites, Gangrel (the einherjar and andal both didn't collapse so they probably didn't feel the need to join a sect) and last and least Ravnos

which feels somewhat balanced to me although if i would be using these in the tabletop i would be somewhat worried about one sect having all celerity fags

>>97030179
>reputation was bulletproof pre-Beast

Beast would have been a hiccup if not for a past victim of his marking the irony of his moderating a thread on game safety, and mentioned the reason why. This was late 2017.

The manipulation of freelancers came out about a year or so later. After that, it also spilled that his wife (Michelle Lyons; if you're an older Shadowrun player, yes, THAT Michelle Lyons) was complicit in this and also in intimidation of his victims. After that, IIRC, his company, Growling Door Games, closed up and he started lying low... which, as noted, means he's still a danger to kids in Cleveland, OH.

>>97030471
This is a cool idea for a DC centric game, I was just floating the Mummy in Chief idea to engage with the whole 10 dots in a military
>>97030480
Don't worry, can't hit every dub

>>97030582
>current Onyx Path freelancers are all autistic rape victims
It explains so much...

>>97030582
>since his day-job is working with autistic kids for the Cleveland public school system
https://youtu.be/6Wm-tHPrqto

>>97030582
Why are there so many rapists in this fucking hobby?

>>97030816
Because every time people try to do something about the rapists, grognards fall for the anti-woke grift and think we're going to delete AD&D for being problematic or something.

>>97030772
>if you're an older Shadowrun player, yes, THAT Michelle Lyons
I haven't played Shadowrun, so fill me in on the grisly details please.

>>97030816
Because the definition of rape is ever expanding. Soon you'll be a rapist for this post, and >>97030852 will be the raped.

>>97030816
A bunch if leftists flooded the hobby. Leftists are all sexual deviants but bitch about tits in the hobby.

Meanwhile back when gaming was good we had sexual content in the games, but no rapists in the hobby

>>97030875
Siri, what happened to those middle schoolers at GenCon 2002?

>>97030867
>>97030875
You need to leave this thread, Mr. McFarland. You're not related to this company anymore.

>>97030638
>These were all clearly magic but usually of almost no practical value
Sounds like you got scamed

>>97030937
You are literally textually raping people right now.

>>97030778
Yeah Mummy in Chief is so good as a concept.
Military might fucking around in the Middle East. Weird DC pyramid architecture. Maybe the Freemasons are a pro mummy or anti mummy cult. Hobby Lobby funding Isis. Maybe the President was assassinated on purpose to bind the Mummy to him. I don't know if he should be Evil or a hero. Either way it'd be cool to explore

>>97031012
Freemasons being an extension of Isis' cult would be fitting. Military Isis could be backed by Set and bane mummies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX5MX1ScY9c
Is this Nephandi lore?

You think rape is funny…?

>>97030860
Not really any to speak of that I know, she was just the editor for a bunch of third and fourth edition books, and would be a familiar name if anyone was playing from around that time.

>>97031052
I'm currently working out a scenario where a Tremere girl ghouls several women and then uses them sexually. They can't resist, they're ghouls, they must obey.

>>97031027
>Freemasons being an extension of Isis' cult
i mean it kinda is if by a extra degree of seperation

the freemansons mostly been made by House Ex Miscellanea mages who been tired of house Quaesitor and Tytalus bullshit and at the time they included the proto House Shaea mages who are awakened cult isis mages who decided to hang out with the awakened cult of thoth mages

WoD writers/developers are pretty fucking weird ngl

>>97031029
Bro, stop watching that shit. Here, watch this instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANhA94ZqnEQ

>>97031078
Every TTRPG and Vidya Game writer now is weird, but I think even more so expressive art tends to attract weird or obsessed people especially in modernity. I don't think getting into it should be particularly done here but maybe just the way the 70's to today turned out has made people long for purpose and fulfillment in a way that leaves them grasping at weirdness to cope. Not to say "smut" novels didn't exist and that no writer has even been a rapist, but you see it increasingly more now as people cling to absurdity

>>97031097
Reality deviance... it's... beautiful!...

>>97031061
>must obey
>implying they aren't cumming from the caresses on the thighs
Come on

>>97031075
True enough but they'd have a more active hand in helping Mummy in Chief. Cause they gotta get him to Egypt in 70 days of rising and his schedule's pretty packed.

>>97031230
I'm not familiar with Mummy, why do they need to get him there 70 days?

>>97031230
>schedules a post inauguration meeting in Egypt
What now Set-cel?
Yeah that would be an interesting scenario and would be a cool way to incorporate the party as it would likely need to be handled with discretion. I don't think Mummies have strict rules to not blow Mortal minds the same way Vamps and Garou do, but I imagine the Mummy in Chief's enemies might. Would end up kino when he turns on the party in pursuit of the greater good

>>97031247
It's the Hajj, it's part of the process to become a mummy.
>>97031277
If they're Union, which could be something simple as investigating trad interests in the capital, the Mummy could even pull a card on 'em about nephandi superiors

>>97031366
Neat idea

>>97031366
Ah.. what if the Freemasons construct a DC web of faith instead? They could have performed the ritual in the oval office

Imagine a big finale where the Mummy in Chief uses Cloud Walking to have a huge battle in the sky above DC as he summons down celestial tempests

>>97031457
Locational component for Spell of Life needs it to be done on Egyptian soil(Lands of Faith). To Mummy in Chief's credit, they have the easiest means all things considered so it's really a non-issue for them. Just something one would wanna account for.

>>97031534
>>97031517
Would the Mummy-man not be able to just move Egypt to USA? If Egypt becomes an American state would it then not extend to the US?

>>97031555
if i remember correctly egypt in wod is special because of the nile and it's status as being a uncorrupted bit of the wyrm and not because of anything connected to the identity of the egyptian state

>>97031555
Ah well, I think there's things about dynastic ruling that would make that not work. Along with a more metaphysical and magical component considering how the Nile is linked up with fertility in a mystical sense and its apart of the Osiris mythos the Mummies are apart of.
Quickest method, if Web of Faith can do this,would be just teleporting to Egypt via the web on the weekend they rise. Trad mage Freemason Isis allies link up with their Egyptian counterparts, get the MiC to the ritual site and boom! Back in DC by Monday as the white house staff gets rotated out to be Isis allies since MiC is basically THE Risen on earth now.
This would then lead to such a weird political pivot and schism as Setite and Pentex allies get whipped into gear to try and kill MiC

What faction should the Mummy in Chief be? I'd vote Judged One, that way you'd have a bit of conspiracy around mysterious wounds & bruises on the POTUS

>>97031623
Sakhmu? You could have some sub-plot about how originally they were just a faction plant that got handed the presidency to die for their real candidate, somehow the monster wasn't as charismatic as the average forgettable candidate, so killed in an assassination. Comes back and ruins plans because they're Sakhmu. They care now, and they know the evil lurking about in the capital. Might work better as one of the Khri-Habi.
Actually Khri-habi. Khri-habi would allow for Mummy in Chief to be a proactive force in the background of the chronicle.

>>97031592
>Moves the Nile to USA humor me
What now? Although I guess it's more about the spirit of things then yeah. I can see that maybe this should be a sort of endgame conspiracy that probably should be more of a post-game encounter rather than the central plot
>>97031594
Interesting idea, very cool for a game. lends itself very well to videogame format too

>>97030790
Changeling: the Lost...

>>97031688
>Nile to USA

Pack your bags. We're going to Memphis.

>>97031701
Existed before all that shit happened.

>>97031729
Bass Proshop Pyramid is significant

>>97031761
I still wonder why they allowed Beast the be published considering how much closer to a blatant fetish it is compared to others
>>97031729
Would be kino

>>97031790
given that they also allowed stuff like the cofd werebeast book they either a.) did not have a check above the project head in place or b.) did not give a shit about how much the book i just the authors barely disgused fetish... till their customer base did

>>97031790
>I still wonder why they allowed Beast the be published
Sunk costs, it was in a period where they were riding high. They did a rapid rewrite that didn't really fix any of its issues.

It also didn't help that McFarland was the only person involved who actually had the top level full picture of the splat, with the dev process being done almost entirely via several dozen branching email chains.

While we are talking Mummy; say I take a spandex body suit & I cast Modest Reflection, making the suit real in the underworld & the skinlands. I convince a wraith friend to wear it. Couldn't they pretty much be an immortal bodyguard? You'd have to damage the suit enough to make it loose integrity/rip it to shreds for it to be ineffective to the wraith & even then it would be functional as a rope/garrote. Any attack aimed at them besides mostly bludgeoning damage, wouldn't carry over in any way, a bullet/sword would split the suit before it exerted much force to damage the wraith on the other side.

>>97031809
What made Changing Breeds even worse was that there was already a book that did that exact same thing better, WtF: War Against the Pure.

>>97031821
if i remember correctly you can also make phylactery/conduits and artifical fetters for wraiths so you can make your wraiths pretty hard to get rid off

just not as hard as a mummy themselves

>>97031818
>>97031809
Kek, interesting story bit. I suppose customers start to notice when the fetishism becomes as explicit as they did, I thought the weird fetish fuel shit in Vampire was subtle enough and fit the splat whereas Beast is just the weird stuff fitting around a skinsuit

>>97031809
What's the fetish in changing breeds? Multi-boobs?

>>97031825
>>97031809
What was so bad about the cofd book?

>>97031845
>>97031850
it's just goatboy telling you to fuck animals and how men are evil over and over like it's the worst parts of wta without any of the cool bits

the book is the reason why people digged into his personal life and found out about the wicca cult he belonged to irl

>>97031856
Lame, thought it was more interesting. Of course normies are gonna raise immediate flags when it comes to that.

>>97031872
no it's not even a good fetish book

>>97031856
>Wicca cult
Lol what the fuck? How does White Wolf find these guys or is it that they seek out WW so they can work on the IP that particularly appeals to their fantasies?

>>97031884
>it's a fuck animals but without the cool shit and just questionable morals
Damn

>>97031885
Brucato is one of the ogs who been involved since 1994

>>97031885
>how does the weirdo RPG company find all these weirdos??
cmon anon

>>97031891
Was Brucato the one who wrote about a sister drinking blood from her younger brother?

>>97031830
I was thinking it would be cool to have some "men in black" who would be wraiths (& some effigies) dressed in spandex body suits & silicon face masks with normal formal attire overtop. This would explain the empty eyes, the uncanny skin & appearance, etc sometimes reported

>>97031911
Damn, this would be a cool shadow government agency, like a literal CIA spook division
>>97031891
>>97031900
I guess I've been purposefully blind to it

>>97031911
love it

if you are before the malestrom you could also have them do double duty as the hierachy risen hunters that are mentioned in the risen book

>>97031900
Looked it up, and Changing Breeds also came out only a couple years before Exalted 2E Abyssals and its really fucky lore that was basically committed to print because they set writing editorial timelines with impossibly tight to print limits that made it so the freelancers they had writing stuff always submitted right at deadline so nothing could be changed.

>>97032025
>Exalted 2E Abyssals
Infernals, not Abyssals.

>>97031938
Why do you think get got called spooks & ghosts in the first place?

>>97031949
Tell me more?

So far, for my purposes I'm thinking the Freemasons are trying to build an independent web of faith in DC, the masonic temples & egyptian symbolism is all constructed as objects of power to build it. They've only just now finished it with the construction of some building like the weird Obama library. Now with it complete they plan to assassinate the Prez to resurrect him as a Mummy right there. He needs the spirit web to channel massive amounts of power & so he can gather sekhem to himself without going to Egypt all the time or relying on the people there. The American government has long been a cult to the creation of the Mummy in Chief. Maybe some of the past president's were the same Mummy somehow? Spooks & such have long been a part of the MiC's ceremonial guard/warriors. Many of them former dead cultists ritually killed to carry on their immortal service to the MiC.

Now here's a question. What if he's not an Egyptian Mummy? What if he's a one of the greek ones? Or some other spirit in Duat waiting to possess a new body, with a stolen Spell of Life?

>>97032039
>Tell me more?
not much more to tell to be honest. the hierachy just sometimes sends wraiths into the skinlands to hunt risen because they don't want the knowledge of how to become a risen to spread + they don't want the heat of being associated with the risen when they end up angering other supernatural factions because a risen's shadow is actually stronger than that of a normals wraith (or atleast has more influence)

given that we are talking about a undead govener it could be a cool way to ally these two while also given the risen hunters a way to hunt risen in the skinlands without being major hypocrites aka becoming risen themselves

>Now here's a question. What if he's not an Egyptian Mummy? What if he's a one of the greek ones? Or some other spirit in Duat waiting to possess a new body, with a stolen Spell of Life?
honestly i would be against that mostly because white wolf already did "what is the leader of that org was secretly a cabiri" with the arcanum and it somewhat divorces the mummy in chief from the weirdness of having to use egyptian themed magic in america as cabiri while using the same spells crunch wise are allowed to reflavor them acording to their belief system

>>97032039
>Stolen Spell of Life
>American Government so insane with hubris they coopt a mage spell they don't understand with assistance of "government" mage groups
>being manipulated in a plot by mages potentially
That'd be kind of cool but all the options are pretty engaging

>>97032039
Cabiri would explain the motivations for the freemasons and would link the hunter Arcanum to it. A weird position for the Arcanum but they could help better explain the spook division. Hunter in life and in death with the Cabiri being the vip.
A Xibalba Mummy in Chief could make for an interesting "homegrown american" mummy that would probably fit the Freemasons if they wanted to divest from Egypt and Horus. You'd just probably have to deal with the Xibalba viewing all of NA as their territory. Xibalba would allow for a more unique mummy with how they're formed too.

>those three anons talking about mummy
Impressive. It's like watching three Dodos appear out of nowhere and start a mating dance.

>>97032136
It's just interesting. We're more storyboarding an idea though than going ham on the discussions
>>97032097
Damn this is pretty well thought out. I suppose this brings the MiC into conflicts with other mummy groups and potentially the PCs as well

>>97032152
Sure depending on how involved you wanna make the cross splats. Considering how it's forming, it might be worth it to check nWoD Mummy for mummy cult stuff to help shape Mummy in Chief's staff.

>>97032097
>>97032090
Let's keep it to being an Egyptian mummy or some guys trying to rip off the Spell of Life state side & using traditional Egyptian designs. I'm still not sure if he should be evil somehow or a good mummy trying to steer America in the "right" direction. A Mummy spirit can loose it's body & need to reattach to a new host right? What would that take to happen? I know there was an oblivion storm thing that did it once. How long ago in the timeliness was that? Maybe the MiC helped found America & put things in motion, but shit happened & he lost his body. So the Freemasons had to jump through hoops to get him back, they've only recently resurrected him again. Now he's back but the cult is also severely compromised by internal factions, a secret snake cult, Pentex, the Technocracy, selfish mortal deep state assholes who dont even know about the supernatural, etc. The MiC has inherited a very shitty position, & a lot of his long term plans have been spoiled. This could be like the West Wing meets the Libarian.

>>97032136
It's a fun concept & I'm gonna run like hell with it. I really like concepts of Mummy, but they never expanded on it at all. Hell I have even went so far to wonder if a vampire can diablerize a Mummy or somehow perfor, a corrupted Spell of Life & become a Mummy-Vampire hybrid.

What clan slurs would exist if my shrecknet is vampire 4chan in my setting? right now I have
>troonmere
>toredditor
>fagrel

>>97032218
>Oblivion storm thing
Week of nightmares(1999) and the Dja-ahk. So like rather recent. The Amenti are a result of the Sixth Great Maelstrom and come from the combination of a human soul with a tem-akh(mumm soul sliver) filling the missing portion of their soul. If, and this is a big if, you wanted to keep the connection to Egyptian mummies while tieing them more to American history then Cabiri or Ishmaelite work. I'd go Ishmaelite to help explain the shaping of the freemasons and why they can confidently lean on the secret society. Handwave how they survived the Dja-ahk and you got a decent thread that can trunk throughout the history of the U.S.

>>97032247
I mean, why not the time honoured:
gangrene
tzitrash/trannymisce
ass'mite

>>97032247
bruh-ja
nosferat
tzimisister
corpsefuckers
i think setite and ravnos already count as slurs

>>97031905
No, that was David/Olivia Hill.

Something about shadowrun writers, man.

>>97032280
What about Assamite and Cathayan? We can do better than our sires, surely.

>>97032247
As a Tremere, I call Tzims, Nossies, & Gangrels "Spare parts" or "Future Gargoyles"

>>97032305
Based.

>>97032305
go back to your chantry and dilate

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>>97032227
Mummies are like mortals in that regard. Just like how you can't diablerize mortals, Mummies just die when you drink all the blood in them. Plus they can't be embraced.

Of course the best part about drinking Mummy blood is that you get +1 Humanity for every blood point you drain that lasts until you spend the blood.

Meaning even if you are Humanity 0 like say Baba Yaga, by the end you will have Humanity 10 and be about to kill yourself from guilt. Or more likely, stopped after draining 7 blood and now thinking your unlife as Humanity you long forgotten makes you question things.

>>97032344
do we know what happens to path followers? would be mad funny if it just threw them onto the path of humanity again

>>97032399
See the image I shared. They have their path and a temporary Humanity. They war, and you are stuck in the middle.
>If a vampire on another Path acquires a Humanity score, that Humanity wars against the vampire's chosen inhuman Path. The vampire's player must make an Instinct roll against a difficulty equal to her Humanity to take actions that fall under the Hierarchy of Sin (see Vampire: The Masquerade, p. 221) for her current artificial Humanity level. Should this roll fail, the character cannot bring herself to commit the act. This action, in turn, may constitute a sin under the vampire's chosen Path, which would then result in a degeneration check as well.

This hobby has always attracted weirdos and freaks. It doesn't help that saying "men can't be women" gets you exiled to the outer darkness while being a manipulative sex pest groomer gets brushed out until it hits critical mass.

You gotta remember, you can still find Marion Zimmer Bradley's books everywhere even though she was pimping her daughter Moira out to the rest of the 70s/80s sci fi convention crew through Moira's childhood. Just insane to me.

Rapid Chant -3pt merit
Whether through arcane training, natural talent, a necessity regarding your day job or sheer passion for a childhood show, you are very good at rapidly speaking complicated words and phrases with little to no grammatical error, as well as quickly performing the required hand motions. It takes you half as long as normal to activate a Theurgy, Hedge Sorcery or Deep Magick Power, as long as said Power takes minutes or seconds to “cast”.

Acceptable or too powerful? For V5 Sorcery

Well, if the wolves have their own general I don't know why vampires just don't fuck off from this thread and create their own too.

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>>97031052
Always. Especially if it's because of a Fomor.
>>97032730
Go ahead, create it. Eventually everyone will be back to WoD general. There is a reason why over the decades only this general remained. Forget splats, even at the height of CofD, they couldn't keep their own thread alive.

>>97032730
VtMfags aren't half as annoying and spammy as the WtA secondaries. The longer that they stay out of here for, the better.

>>97032730
Baby, this is WoD/CofD general. Even if every splat from Vampires to Orpheus had their own special thread, this place would still have all of them discussed.

>>97032730
Woof posting wasn't even that bad as to get contained twice
>>97032794
Rape seems like a very unoptimal way to pass this on

>>97032838
All the people going on about the Weaver and shit were kinda annoying, and they do seem to be contained now, I haven't seen it recently.

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Trying to run a V20 game in Foundry, but there's no compendium for disciplines and shit.
I found this https://github.com/SeaSaltSong/wod20-compendium/tree/main but I'm retarded have no fucking clue how to install it. Any other anons here use Foundry for WoD and know where I can get a compendium or how to install this shit? I don't want to put in all this shit by hand.

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Is this an awoo book?

>>97032926
Idk, Mother-posting was a bit funny every now and then. Perhaps it got a bit too hammy though you may be right

>>97032941
>Written by a man
>Not tagged for romance
>6'5" furtard not the front cover
I somehow doubt it's an awoo book rather just a normal environmentalism book with wolves in it

>>97030395
There was a guy who ended up with a whole orphanage as their after patching a Masquerade leak.

>>97032838
>Rape seems like a very unoptimal way to pass this on
It doesn't need to be the optimal option to be fun.

>>97033007
Having an orphanage seems good until you turn a kid into a hunter and get dusted by a teenager with a pencil

Running my first VTM game.
How do I make interesting characters?

>>97033114
Nothing wrong with aping a module your first time, though I like to sort of come up the idea by thinking about what the plot will be first before I work in interesting characters

>>97032838
Except for Redpaw posting a thousand times trying to control the thread

>>97032941
If you're looking for a woof book check out Mongrels by Stephen Graham Jones. Most of the werewolf novels I've read had been dogshit, but this one is actually a fun read about a family of destitute hicks and their tales of lycanthropy come across like something your drunk uncle would tell you as a kid just to see if he could get you to do it.

>>97032812
Autist

>>97032941
do you think the director of Lycan Colony played WtA?

>>97033031
Yeah, that was almost what happened. The orphanage was a white elephant so another Ventru would go on and take it from them.

>>97032730
I doubt that it’ll last long. /gwnet/ is pretty much already dead and it barely had anyone actually woofposting most of the time
>>97033171
Yeah, it sucks. It’s one of the reasons I stopped, plus the mages basically eclipsing the woofs there

>>97033114
Insert all your fetishes into the game.

>>97032941
>book written by some koontz
heh

>mummy discussion
Blessed thread

>>97033403
I'm sure all 6 mummy fans are ecstatic

>>97032661
Sounds reasonable enough. IIRC there's already a merit that covers that in one of the Tremere loresheets.

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Made some OC for you, /wodg/.

I actually ran out of space, I had more quotes about the Ashwood Abbey being freaks than this.

Which Sphere would you combo Entropy with to manipulate the weather? I'm erring on the side of either Forces or Correspondence.
Asking because the idea of a Technocrat who uses a Weather Forecast Algorithm as his Focus sounds kinda baller.

>>97033532
I could see weather manipulation through pure entropy (subtle manipulation of patterns), pure forces (I COMMAND THESE CLOUDS TO GROW), pure correspondence (the sahara didn't need that raincloud, anyway) or a combination of forces and entropy (nudge the physics behind your weather with a little extra push from fate)

>>97033497
Nice!

>>97033532
Depends on exactly how you're doing it. Along with what anon said, it could also be Matter or Spirit. Maybe even Time, since you're thinking of it as a forecast.

>>97033428
Speaking for 1/6th of us: yes we are.

>>97033497
At last I see. Belial's brood are behind this club of posers.
Very nice

>>97033550
Pure correspondence would just be some sympathetic bullshit like urinating on a model to cause a localized rain.

>>97033428
I'm sure the posters that hate Woofs are ecstatic too

>>97032815
To be fair none of those would have a good pace of discussion.

>>97033769
The two posters that seethe as if they're trying to awaken as ecstatics? Who cares about them.

>>97033798
I for one as a whole 1/6th of the mummy fans I actually like all of wod am pleased for some variety
>>97033758
Pure forces is great so that you can larp as a DARPA employee who's really in the know

>>97033497
>several members of the british royal family were members

Topical.

>>97033770
>Orpheus discussion board
That'd be dead in a day I think. Speaking of dead, when do you anons think Mage 5 will come out?

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>>97033532
Just Forces 4 should do the trick.
Though not my favorite method, I also like the narrative behind The Sky's Ruler.
(Even if it asks way more successes and Forces 5 instead of 4 but that's M20 for you)
>>97033941
Hopefully never. But we aren't lucky enough for that.

>>97033941
I hope that comes out after a major change in the creative team. Otherwise it would just be another nothing burger.

I hope they also pump out a bunch of contemporary factions for the memes

>>97032838
It's the crusade of one autist who got butthurt because people shit on his ideas for an alternative Werewolf gameline multiple months ago. He has not dropped his hurt feelings since.

>>97033941
Never cause Paradox doesn't wanna think about it and Renegade can't wrap their head around mage

>>97033497
The UK's gift to the hunt, love 'em. Good stuff anon.

>>97034007
Is that one of 5 guys who wants WtA to just be the Lupine blurbs/statblocks with little additional bullshit?

>>97033443
if its for Vampire Blood Sorcery then its fine, since this is only for pure Sorcery.
I will try to push the next Dagon the Descent update this month. Covering the Free Fins. hopefully Fish-anon can help me with the Dagon Faith part so I can finally write Daily Life of the Deep Ones, cause that would be the final hurdle, more or less.

What is Alien Anon doing? Making any progress?

>>97034024
>>97034007
QRD? An alt werewolf could be cool though but I feel like outside of making them straight up just a monster there's a pretty good overlap between the ecoterrorists and the spirit park rangers it's a bit too tribal coded for both of them but I understand that's just the way werewolves are kind of stuck with
rip though but it's not like they'd should be compelled to like WtA

>>97033998
>>97034009
I could write a Mage 5 and even include their gay Paradox dice but they wouldn't hire me I'm a racist conspiracy theorist so the wrong type of weird

>>97034062
>QRD
I think they're misattributing. Shit-stirrer Anon doesn't actually have much skin in the werewolf game. He's been trying WoD related bait and flamewar fodder for over a year at this point, but he seems to have finally gotten a big breakthrough with WtA.

>>97034072
>He made a big breakthrough on WtA
>Divisive borderline furry gameline
>With vastly different things players enjoy about the setting and RP
Yeah, I can see it. Werewolf is just built for infighting while most Vampire fans seem to enjoy the entire setting

Someone should make Horse Fera.
>Homid is Homid
>25% Horse form is 7-8ft tall with more muscles and Horse Ears
>Crinos can either be a Centaur or a "Man-Horse" (Extremely muscular humanoid with a Horse Head)
>75% Horse is a "War Horse" form, a big horse with Human Endurance
>100% Horse form (also called "álogo") is a horse.

>>97033281
Yeah unfortunately looks like schreck might loose steam too. A guy just got outted as samefagging/double dipping, decent chance its the same guy too considering.

If we were to expand Mummy beyond its straightjacket of core+1 book. What else could we add? What other cool things could be done with the concept?

>>97033281
I thought it was mostly just Garou posters and the few mages. I didn't mind the corpos or the spirit bros either but yeah. We kind of never were a serious RP unlike /schreck/ though I feel as if it kind of got a bit hostile, no genuine hate to the BSD posters but I have no clue how to engage with that
>>97033171
No hate to that guy for trying to engage with the thread personally, he was at least trying to set up a narrative I can respect but I also feel as if it went a bit too long after the ending
Was fun though

>>97034178
Would be a shame, I kind of liked keeping up with the narratives there, solid bit of imaginative character building. Even if it was mostly just the few vamps and the occasional shitposts

>>97034178
I haven't been on /schreck/ in ages but define samefagging and double dipping? Back when I went there I would very occasionally play two characters at the same time, but I tried to avoid them interacting and I never had them team up in like, an argument or something.

>>97034195
Well we expand the america mummies more and divorce them further from Egypt/the Spell of life. I think someone here previously suggested the idea of bodies in the midst of being canonized could expand into catholic Reborn. Would be nice to make use of catechism and could breath life into the Cabiri via orthodoxy saints.
I think Spell of Life or some iteration being required is a double edge sword when it comes to expanding and fleshing out options. Cause the notion of a bog mummy coming back is always there but it'd be like the Extempore from Promethean. A reborn brought back entirely through chance making a kind of perfect storm in both the underworld and skinlands.

>>97034195
I'm not too clued up on Mummy, are you talking Old or Chronicles?

>>97034195
Maybe a some stuff inspired by the Fraser movies or more dynasties based on Egyptian culture/religion.
Could even see more Roman/Greek mummies as the Egyptians in the late stage were basically Greek anyway. It wouldn't be "mummy" then really but mummy is surprisingly stereotypical for wod

>>97034098
>spends all their time getting mad and infighting
The only person ever to play Werewolf correctly. We stan.

>>97034174
Would be kino for the warform to end up like the minotaur from smt
>>97034266
I think decoupling Mummy from Egypt isn't really possible but perhaps you could make the spell of life something like a passive thing that sort of ended up diffused into the land, so anyone that dies in Egypt can have a chance to be brought back as a Mummy

>>97034286
Maybe yeah, I'd imagine arguments as werewolves is about managing to avoid the ragebait

>>97034266
>Cause the notion of a bog mummy coming back is always there but it'd be like the Extempore from Promethean. A reborn brought back entirely through chance making a kind of perfect storm in both the underworld and skinlands.
I just have Bog Mummies be the product of Verbena copying the spell of life in their own 'somewhat natural since it was the swamp itself that preserves them to protect it, don't @ me' way.
A bunch of former Verbena willingly gave up their chance at Ascension to become powerful sorcerous Bog Mummies and protect their wild nodes in the swamps of the lowlands against the technocracy's encroachment.

>>97034174
War horse should be like Sleipnir to hammer in that they're the meat version of a train. They have no breaks and will win on charging.

WtA Werewolves/Fera usually have a human lifespan, but they can take a merit that turns them 80% Spirit and makes them live for way longer, no?

>>97034247
Old schreck was fine because there was a lot more people posting. Several different weaving narratives, some people doing their own thing & memes & shitposting to keep it fun. If you had two different characters back then then it was fine, it was a way for you to engage in more than one narrative & not feel like a busybody. The thread up now nowever is barren, only a handful of names & like I said one was posting as two characters meaning that very small pool is actually much more shallow. In the woof thread one guy was using multiple names but also doing it to enforce a certain attitude on the board. He would engage with anyone who posted & I can't prove anything but got the vibe that he might have been replying to himself once or twice to keep his stuff going. That's pretty shitty. However you slice it I just feel like the quality has gone down, engagement is forced, none of the old guys I remember are there, & it just feels like an echo chamber (in the literal sense not necessarily the modern political term)

>>97034367
That's a pretty interesting spin on the idea, I imagine you may be able to spin this for European mummies as christian saints from some chorister spell

>>97034408
Eh, I think it may be a bit grasping at straws. Yeah he posted a lot but his style of posting was pretty unique, along with his sue of spacing. A lot of other posts had a certain style or stream of consciousness to them, like one of the mage posters

>>97034367
I was thinking something like that for bog mummies. To help explain the random chance, it's verbena and kha'vadi rituals or residual magics soaking the swamps. Makes for fertile grounds that make the preserved corpse for viable to accept a returning spirit. Should they stumble their ass back to the corpse they then have to "fight" their way free from the waters. Perhaps during the night and if they aren't free by dawn they get sent back down to try again in like a month.
Admittedly the one example that keeps coming to my mind is Solomon Grundy. So a more concentrated verbena history would be fitting.
>>97034330
>saturating the lands of faith causes accidental
That'd be a good justification and help flesh out how they got so far from Egypt. How would it shift for the America and Asian Reborn?

>>97034431
Well there's already a theory that America has replaced religion with the government and the US president and a figurehead which could be worked into that. As for actual American reborn I'm a bit lost as to the mechanics for how it would work as it's tied to the land. Maybe some spell borrowed by the American freemasons? Could use that as a way to make american mummies particularly more focused on patriotism than goodness

I like the idea of the Spell of Life suffusing the land, but I think you still need to limit it to having a regional magical node network that powers it. Maybe each of these new Mummies have their own, like Bog Mummies have a handful of standing stones & ritual sites in the swamps, DC has its Fremasonry. The problem I see, is less the region locked nature of traditional Mummies, but more the spiritual aspects of replacing/undermining the Judges of Ma'at & such. We need a purpose or mechanic by which each new style Mummy might have a cycle of Death & Resurrection.

Also, if we use Christianity, I think ot should revolve around Lazarus.

>>97034379
Fera all age wildly differently, if I remember right Ratkin only make it to 40, Garou can expect to reach 130 if they don't get killed, and Rokea are immortal, just for example. As for that merit, I can't think of it, check through the different changing breed books.

>>97034284
Old Mummy

>>97034488
I do like this interpretation. Having the entirety of "American Mummy" and it happens in Alaska while the popular interpretation of what is America is in DC, Philadelphia, NYC, Boston would be kind of absurd. As for undermining judges perhaps you could replace them with a different group entirely to represent how you're using a facsimile of the Spell of Life rather than the original, so maybe
>List of Founding Fathers for America
>Council of Druids for Bog Witches
> Three Kings or the the Apostles for Christianity
> Charon and friends for Greeks/Romans
Maybe play on the idea that Mummies are State-Sponsored Risen

>>97034547
>> Charon and friends for Greeks/Romans
>THIS IS A VIOLATION OF THE DICTUM MORTUM
>Sir, you appointed these guys yourself
>WHEN THE FUCK DID I DO THAT?
>Back after you got this idea after looting the Dark Kingdom of Sand
>WELL I DONT REMEMBER IT, THAT MEANS IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, TO THE SOULFORGES WITH THEM

>>97034481
By America Mummies I meant the Xibalba and Capacocha. But that could work. North America does have its rivers and deltas. You could do some bootstrap Freemason attempt where initially the land with potential for the spell was contained from the East coast to the Mississippi river. As the country expands westward, the Great lakes and Rockies could be other important mystical sites for NA Mummies.
>>97034547
Different groups would also lend itself to possibly translating the dynasties too.

>>97034587
Charon would be the type of guy for that, shortly before reappointing them the next day

>>97034606
Damn, this is actually pretty cool

>>97034613
And then the next day he bans whatever guild he put in charge of making these mummies.
The Mnemoi are snickering all the while.

>>97034587
>>97034613
>Forges them into the masks the Judges wear
>Forgets he did that specifically
>Repeated stacking and reappointment
>Somehow one of the stabler things in the hierarchy.

>>97033281
>Made a Werewolf RP thread
>It was immediately colonized by Magefags

This is why we policed the hell out of cross-splat posts in /schreck/. If you let even one good one in, a flood of bad ones will come pouring in.

>>97034195
>What else could we add?
More than 6 power sets would have been nice.

>>97034734
I wouldn't use the term "colonized" but s fair amount of discussion ended up revolving around mages

>>97034734
There's very few people who are interested exclusively in WtA the way that people are exclusively interested in VtM.
Plus for a lot of people in /wodg/, the main appeal of WtA is to laugh at werewolves for being so retarded. The thought of roleplaying as an actual werewolf is unappealing to them, so instead they roleplay as mages and hunters and Tremere all dunking on and laughing at the werewolves. They love talking about WtA, but the thought of actually playing WtA is abhorrent to them.

>>97034734
To the thread's credit. It was made in bad faith by that anon that throws tantrums about WtA. He sure as fuck didn't care about it.

>>97034408
>In the woof thread one guy was using multiple names but also doing it to enforce a certain attitude on the board.

Well now I'm curious. What certain attitude would that be?

>>97034815
First thread was pretty fun though I can understand anons not really doing full blown character RP as opposed to staying vague deed names are kinda hard but yeah
>>97034797
I don't believe anons outright hate RPing werewolves, but it's more fun poking at the silliness of the setting

>>97034857
Closest attitude I ever saw amounted
>hey don't fucking breach the veil
Next closest would be trying to dance around not outright telling the BSD to kill himself in every reply.

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When will we restore the proper hierarchy, fellow Kindred?

>>97034884
Yeah a bit. I tried to poke around breaching the veil as being sort of a dudebro Garou is pretty fun but probably even the most liberal Garou would be struggling to not tell a BSD to suicide. I tried to sometimes engage positively but it's just not good character RP BSD poster was believably pretty insane

>>97034894
>Tremere nobility
This is blood magecel cope

>>97034894
>t.Tremere
Put yourself back in slave and maybe you'll get peasantry by the Pisces age

>>97034894
>>97034906
actually true, Setites and Assamites being peasants instead of priests, Tremere/Salubi being rulers instead of Priests and Nosferatu and Giovanni being clergy instead of peasants.

>>97034932
Of course Haqim's peasantry. Only they would believe their own wankery.
>oh dude Haqim's so great
>made himself a vampire after scaring Caine away
Peak magie cope after losing their avatar

>>97034894
The pyramid should go like this

Rulers
>Tremere
>
>
Useful Idiots
>Ventrue
>Brujah
>Toreador
Slaves
>Gargoyles
Spare Parts
>Tzimisce
>Gangrel
>Nosferatu

>>97034965
but they occupy an important role in vampire social ecology. They are assassins. Why do Nosferatu get to be clergy? Because they are spies. What makes the Spawn of Haqim different?

>>97034901
Thank you I get it from my mother's side

One of our werewolves got molested by a coked out mage and he hasn’t been the same since

He can’t enter war form he just can’t do it; he’s far too broken

Jews
>Mages
>Demons
>Mummies
Rulers
>Tremere
>
>
Useful Idiots
>Ventrue
>Brujah
>Toreador
Slaves
>Gargoyles
Spare Parts
>Tzimisce
>Gangrel
>Nosferatu
Pets
>Werewolves
>Changelings
>Wraiths

>>97035067
You played that guy pretty well I feel
>>97035027
>They are assassins
That's basically everyone and their mother in VtM
>Charisma Assassin
Ventrue, Tory
>Magic assassin
Tremere, Tzimisce
>Stealth Assassin
Nos
>Combat "Assassin"
Brujah
Assamites just have the whole religious/vampire culture aspect going for them but Banu Haqim seem a lot more peasant like

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>>97034547
It is too bad that the actual American Mummies mostly died out. That happens when you need priests to get you back from the Underworld, unlike Egyptian Mummies.
...
Wait, are they one of the inspirations to CofD's MTR?

>>97035081
Perhaps your guy shouldn't have been tempting Ecstatics who thought the Dark Eldar and DnD Dark Elves were bitch made, but Garou don't like taking responsibility for how they dress

>>97035081
Please go for /gwnet/ for your RP purposes.

>>97035012
>Spare parts
I kek'd. Tremere really do think like this

>>97035180
I got redirected to this thread for RP.

>>97034797
>hunters
There was a hunter there?

>>97035189
You were misinformed, this thread is for conversation about WoD and CofD games between people who actually play the games.

>>97035081
Was it Verbena? They are into Werewolves and Bloodplay.

>>97035202
Either a hunter or a pentex wagie. Which the latter was pretty novel.

>>97035189
>>97035205
This must be some technocrat consensus at work here, we must believe our way out of it

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>>97034894
>Tzimisce
>not nobility

>>97035230
I mean, if you want to ruin this general for people who actually talk about the game by using it for trashy RP, go ahead. You'll just piss people off by wrecking one of the few sane avenues for WoD and CofD discussion on the internet.

>>97035140
We should call those guys Meso Mummies and the other ones DC Mummies to avoid confusion

>>97035229
I really enjoyed the Pentex wagie, what a lad. I don't think we ever got a Hunter but half of the werewolf RP players would probably tell the hunter about the benefits of getting handholding

>>97035229
Can't say I've seen a Pentex employee who wasn't comically. I wouldn't consider them a hunter

>>97035245
Comically evil, fuck I'm dumb.

>>97035027
I was agreeing that haqim deserve to be peasantry. Being an assassin isn't a special class unless you can't accept that killers for hire come from every stripe. You're also fooling yourself if you think everyone but the Ventrue would have some small faction of dedicated assassins.

>>97035241
Just a joke, I'm not looking to RP an entire thread

>>97035241
>You'll just piss people off by wrecking one of the few sane avenues for WoD and CofD discussion on the internet.
Anon this general is libtarded

>>97035245
Admittedly the pentex guy sounds pretty low on the totem pole. Like just got promoted to supervisor, or first rung of middle management.
>>97035243
Oh I think those hunters would get lots of aggressive bearhugs. They'd all be so cute thinking they're better and then they're mewling on the ground from the lightest rough housing.

>>97035230
The consenus is this: We talk about the games with RP appearing every once in a while. That's what the timetable says.

>>97035238
Old Clan yeah. Not every Tzim is some Polack voivod

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>>97034894
ftfy

I associate mage supremacy with white supremacy

>>97035202
I considered making a hunter post in the second thread but I really had no reason to justify a hunter being there. Maybe an org hunter but that would't make much sense.
>Why would an Arcancel do anything? They prefger to watch
>Why would an SAD spook make a post that's something other than asking questions and getting info?
>Why would an Inquisitor even bother making a post?

>>97035307
I can be fine with that, I mostly discuss things on here and sometimes do a bit of RP
>>97035293
Reminds me of the hidden hunter game. A 5 stamina hunter could probably tank that

>>97035243
Well, I'm glad someone liked my posts.

>>97035110
Ive found one of the best ways to play crazy is to take a wildly only sort of untrue conclusion from a true statement.

For example;
>TRUTH
The Triat is a whole, composed of three aspects. Gaia is/of these three aspects.

DERANGED TAKE
>If i strap three different spirits to my soul & somehow keep my will then that means im just like Gaia & this is Enlightenment/Ascension.

You can do this with any character WoD or otherwise

>>97035364
It was imaginative, good job

>>97035396
Based and BSD-pilled, yeah. Was hard to tell when it was genuine crazy or some sort of philosophical discussion you were trying to get up to that I wouldn't normally RP with as a dudebro

>>97035364
Nta but yeah I didnt mind you. One pentex guy is like have a sabbat in the shreck thread

>>97035241
>people who actually talk about the game
This is in fact, a rare occurrence. By usage, this thread is mostly for whining.

>>97035439
Does anyone Sabbat post in the shreck thread? I'd imagine your typical engagement would look more along the lines of
>Kill yourself NOW
>calling him a shovelhead

>>97035460
I like talking about character/encounter concepts in here. Gets the creative writing juices flowing that I'll never get to use

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>>97035339
>>97034894
The only problem with this pyramid is every clan except caitiff and thinbloods should be slaves.

>>97035551
>Tremere are so cool
Now I know you're shitposting. Tremere get put in the locker where they belong.

>>97035551
What about the Vigil posters, the mummy posters, the wraith enjoyers, the tradition lads

>>97035607
Basically non-existent beside the one person who posts about his HtV chronicle.

>>97035551
Well who ISN'T retarded?

>>97035624
The cool, suave, magical mastermind clans (Tremere, Lasombra, Tzimisce, Ventrue) and the Technocracy.

>>97035658
Yeah the Toreador are pretty cool.

>>97035500
Thats what the woof RP was like it sucked. Certain posters would just reply to everything with "fuck you" which isnt very good for RP. If they just ignored it that would be fine, ir if they could find a clever way to engage that would be perfect, but instead they just shut shit down. Unless it was mages. They were awfully chatty with them.
Schreck was actually pretty fun way back when. Id banter with guys on the other side but its not like you can throw punches over the internet so you end up talking.

>>97035658
>Tremere
>not retarded
>Lasombra
>not retarded by virtue of being notVentrue
Eh

>>97035551
Yea, that about sums it up.

>>97035709
I guess the problem is you can't really RP healthy interactions with a BSD imo, I tried mostly calling them insane and then engaging philosophically without being outright hostile but even a philodox has a limit to talking with BSDs pretty difficult to roleplay rage too

>>97035666
Nah, the Toreador are too faggy and artsy, unlike the cool, collected, calculating STEM clans.

What if Anonymous, but Mages fucking around in the Digital Web

>>97035809
An argument between a traditionalist and a technocrat would go on for 4 threads and it would conclude with 'fuck you'

>>97035805
Good thing Ventrue don't count then. Business ain't a hard science. No no.

>>97035821
The E stands for Engineering and Economics.

>>97035821
>Business ain't a hard science
Sounds like someone didn't get the degree in Hypereconomics

>>97035658
>Technocracy
>not the absolute nadir of retardation by dint of how much they fucked the entire setting
Mage hubris strikes again.

>>97035847
Engineering. Economics aren't apart of it. Stamping your little feet won't get you in.

>>97035551
First, you dont spell Etherites with a T

>>97035809
That's just the Virtual Adepts.

>>97035857
But they're the champions of humanity, defending mankind from the monsters that stalk in the night, with rationality, intelligence and facts.

>>97035857
>Tradcuck mad he can't incinerate random sleepers with a fireball

>>97030395
Question: I have read on the wiki that Earthbound are powered by Faith and souls. Is the soul simply consumed as fuel or does it become part of the Earthbound, like all the thoughts and feelings of their followers? Also can a fallen be empowered in the same way? Especially by souls?

I have a character concept brewing in mind. It is a Salubri healer who has partnered up with a fallen with both of them seeking redemption. With “Ending the Watch” the Salubri would gather souls of mortals and hand them over the Angel. Depending on ST, kindred who have willingly being diablerised by the Salubri could also have their souls pass on to the angel instead of being sent towards oblivion.

I like the Salubri a lot, but the main reason I haven’t played one yet is that I find the third eye really gross to look at. Like even Nosferatu and Tzimisce aren’t as ugly to me as someone with a third eye on their forehead.

>>97035896
Souls is mostly flowery language when it comes to DtF. Earthbound are specifically often worshiped through sacrificial rites that fallen can't benefit from. The main source of power for demons is pretty much always Faith.
However, there is a specific ability in one of the Earthbound lores that lets them eat souls. And the way they create thralls involves literally imprinting a part of themselves onto the victim's soul, unlike fallen who can at most start consuming it by ravaging their thralls.

>>97034009
>Renegade can't wrap their head around mage
Renegade isn't involved anymore, Paradox spun up a new White Wolf subsidiary to e̶a̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶l̶o̶s̶s̶e̶s̶ be the face of WoD games.

>>97035820
Yeah pretty much, the same way it's going on here where we have a protracted 8 thread argument and then it ends in the magelet and the technocuck calling each other fags but this is based

>>97035871
Sounds like they wanna work with Dagon. Can't believe Mom got with that fish. At least Scylla or Karybdis would allow for a wider net.

>>97035896
>>97035929
>Demon discussion
Now we've seen everything

>>97035977
We had demon discussion two threads ago, get with the times.

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>>97035871
>>97035890
>But they're the champions of humanity, defending mankind from the monsters that stalk in the night, with rationality, intelligence and facts.

>>97035551
To be honest the Tremere really are one of the best parts of the lore. Scheming assholes who just keep getting away with it. V5 really fucked up to throw their little piss party destroying the Clan. Should Tremere scheming up to Eleven, have them so something else crazy ambitious & suicidal but still somehow come out alright

>>97036120
Anon has to fill his shilling quota or the boss will turn him into primal energy
>>97036146
>Keep getting away with it
The bestest part is it actually full on backfires on them every now and then, until the V5 retcons that Tremere was behind the whole thing except it still backfired because the pyramid splintered

>>97036146
I think your two trains of thought are crossing. Do you wanna try again?

>>97036146
>Scheming assholes who just keep getting away with it.
When they keep getting away with it to the degree that they do, it stops being endearing and it starts being the inverse of the Garou fucking everything up. Instead of immersion-destroying retardation, it's immersion-destroying hyper-competence.

>>97035930
I'm pretty sure all the books coming out now are still by Renegade, this new White Wolf hasn't done anything yet.

>>97036223
>Getting away with it
Not that often usually I find. It's not WW's fault Tremere is a fan favorite largely because of Strauss and the Tremere aesthetics of the slut glasses with the red coat I think

>>97036120
How about you tell us about how mages used to treat people back in the day before the consensus was a thing?

>>97036251
No.

Justin Achilli was a huge Tremere glazer. Its the reason despite the official attitude of "every splat exists in its own universe" from WW that there was an official Vampire/Mage crossover scenario despite the stance of WW at the time involving the Order of Hermes and the Tremere.

Achilli admitted that he started to push for the end of oWoD when he couldn't think of where the Tremere storyline would go in the future and decided to reset everything.

>>97036293
Sorry you got abused because you didn't suck Hermetic dick enough but that's a yuropoor problem.

>>97036120
Being a wagie in the modern day is infinitely better than being some wizards's peasant bitch slave (with the option of being turned into a chair)

>>97036146
The Tremere should never have survived the Dark Ages with the alliance between the Gangrel, Nosferatu, and Tzimisce looking to wipe them out. "But but blood magic held the line!" was a plot armor cop out. The fact that two of the three clans were founding clans of the Camarilla makes it even more goofy that they'd go along with accepting the Tremere.

>>97036230
Is there an eta on new books?

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>>97036335
This one's March. Not sure about the others

>>97036365
>Fucking Vampire again
Eh, I actually like the guy's design though. Hope he's a tasteful degenerate and not 15 different contradictions

>>97036301
Damn, that's kind of gay for a negro with such good taste as to like Tremere. Though I like them flaws and all, not just as the writer's pet

>>97036380
Hopefully. I can't remember, I swear the guy's a character floating around, if he's associated with Portia or just a band that is touring. Supposedly the Voerman twins are gonna be brought up since one of the selling points is band and/or entertainer options for characters. Maybe one of the Asylum'll show up as a venue.

>>97036251
Their entire history is basically founded on:
>and then they outsmarted several long-established vampire clans as a newly established vampire bloodline devoid of their old magick with no idea what they're doing and then they diablerized an antediluvian vampire to become a true clan and then they earned the favour of all of the other camarilla clans to become the kingmakers of the camarilla and then they beat the shit out of the mage tradition that they used to be a tiny house of and then later on they did it again and they also have access to more paths of thaumaturgy than there are disciplines because they're so cool and and and
There comes a point where you just switch off. The Tremere deserved a loss as bad as the Vienna bombing.

>>97035929
>Souls is mostly flowery language when it comes to DtF. Earthbound are specifically often worshiped through sacrificial rites that fallen can't benefit from. The main source of power for demons is pretty much always Faith.

Shame. I liked my idea. Thought I had something solid and fun there. Are you sure that demons gain nothing specific from the souls of devotees? Why do they ask for it when bargaining then?

>However, there is a specific ability in one of the Earthbound lores that lets them eat souls. And the way they create thralls involves literally imprinting a part of themselves onto the victim's soul, unlike fallen who can at most start consuming it by ravaging their thralls.
Aaaaaand that goes in the complete opposite direction of my concept’s noble purpose.

>>97036453
Were you trying to kick-start a reincarnation cult?

>>97036506
Not really (sounds good though)
I just read on the wiki that Earthbound were powered by Faith and souls, and thought that since Salubri could hold souls inside them then: what if a salubri and a good fallen team up to save as many lives, and souls, in order to be be repent and saved by God. Through Golgonda and whatever the fallen might have… if they do.

>>97036251
This made me reflect on why I like the tremere as much as I do, and yeah the glasses are a major part

>>97036636
I like them for other reasons too, but the slut glasses are an S aesthetic

>>97036585
Well, I think you'd want to look at Reconcilers then. As far as Demon got, iirc, there is no option because it didn't get that far. and the greater issue that god doesn't care outside of the grudge against Caine.
It's an interesting idea, I'll give you that.
>>97036251
The glasses are pretty iconic.

>>97036211
Can you rephrase? I dont know what youre asking

>>97036223
They do get a ton of blowback. Sure, Tremere drank Saulot, but also maybe Saulot wanted that & also Tremere is in coma & the Tremere are draining resources keeping him in check. Sure they became vampires like they wanted but lost True Magic. They founded the Camarilla but had to stop making gargoyle & such. What i mean by "get away with it" isnt so much that they dont suffer for their hubris, but more the fact that everyone fucking hates them, but they've made themselves to integral to do away with. The fact that everyone knows theyre vipers, but dares not kick the nest. They're the "devil you know" & unloved them for it

>>97036431
I could be okay with the Vienna attack if it was better written & for better reasons, but they really fucked over Thaumaturgy mechanically too

>>97036895
Is there a preferred homebrew/STV solution for thaumaturgy? (don't say "don't play V5 lol")

>>97036661
Well he seems to do care a bit, if I believe

https://www.reddit.com/r/WhiteWolfRPG/comments/1k1fc7s/what_does_it_mean_for_a_demon_to_seek_redemption/

and that one fallen who came back to God.

Did a wiki surf on reconcilers, and yeah. I kind of like it. You know, if nothing is done with that I’m tempted to see if there’s a faction in Wraith that can help souls reach heaven/nirvana.

That’d be a fun concept. Salubri with a Reconciler and Wraith allies.

>>97036903
I dont play V5 so inwoukdnt know but im sure someone tried

>>97036903
>>97036907
Just play V5 but use Thaumaturgy rules from V20? It's not exactly rocket science I think

>>97036932
That's a decent idea except you'd have to fiddle with the costs of things and some of the mechanics. But most of that could be done on a case by case basis
The one where you're most fucked is probably Obtenebration. Since you can't just bring the v20 version in, as that would make the lasombra boss monsters again which goes against the v5 ethos.

>>97037062
True enough, maybe just have a free use till level 4 disciplines that don't require a rouse check? Obtenebration and Necromancy would probably need to be retooled though

>>97036365
The idea of a tattooed vampire should be explored more as an act of pure hedonism. Because every tattoo would erase itself during their day sleep (Unless they had it before their embrace). Which means each tattoo must be reapplied over and over again, with the requisite pain involved in the process.

>>97037102
Or you use the Tremere ritual that gives you tattoos

>>97037102
I'm pretty sure there's a Lilith cultist that does something like that. Well "Lilith" cause they wanna keep it vague when it comes to Chicago, but she's using needle pokes to divert attention away from hunger. Might be something going on with special inks.
Might not be as fully into the masochistic hedonism now that I think on it.

Hey so in v5... who is left in the sabbat?
The lasombra are camarilla now, the tzimisce are anarch, the h
Harbingers of Skulls and the Nagaraja are with the Giovanni, the Assamites are split between ur-shulgi loyalists and camarilla guys now,.
So it's, what, city gangrels and panders?

>>97037192
antribu, the two gangrel lines and panders yeah. Maybe kyasids but I'd assume they'd move in step with the lasombra. Blood brothers are no more but would go with the tzimisce methinks

>>97037192
Antitribu and, arguably, Tal'mahe'Ra but, well, who remembers them after the bombs?
Panders too, yeah.

>>97036365
>here's your new coteriemate, bro

>>97037192
In my game they're largely Tzimisce that didn't have any Lasombra friends, Gangrel, Panders, Salubri, and Ravnos.

Did Clan Gangrel have any recorded big wins? Nosferatu? Malkavian?

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Which way, fellow kindred?

>>97037450
There was that time they adopted soap. I think it was 5 years ago.

>>97037450
Actual wins or events where they were the inciting force?
>>97037465
What's your sire like? My reflex says loving but that's a bias on my part.

>>97037465
Loving, but going through a rough patch when I found out she's only 50 and basically groomed me.

>>97037503
>Actual wins or events where they were the inciting force?
Both.

>>97036365
>soundcloud rapper vamp

>>97037465
What about the random chance of running across a bored Gangrel or Malk?

>>97037506
Qarakh won against Alexander (Paris), in spite of the ventrue glazing.
Karsh and Xavier fought each other with Xavier winning.
Karsh sent a kill squad against the red list methuselah Enkidu. Supposedly succeeded but the kill team didn't wanna get involved with gangrel politics so they didn't take a trophy.
Matasuntha the Hun lead a horde to go kick Rome's teeth in following barbarian attacks, around 400 CE. Supposedly fell into torpor in the alps, DA stuff has implications that she wakes up around the 10th century but is kinda just chillin.
Gilgamesh, yes that one, is a gangrel methesulah. Ennoia and Ishtar were doing their little foreplay throughout mesopotamia and Ennoia tempted Gilgamesh into being a childe. At least according to Kindred history.

>>97037465
Is there one for disposable?

What if Lilith diablerized God's feminine aspect when she had sex with him, and the gnosticism of oWoD and God's behavior is a result of that?

Ziana could be Gaia, mortally wounded by the Wyrm, and trying to get Ennoia to be her replacement? Of course, it could be that she's an aspect of the wyrm, but everyone thinks of that shit, boo.

>>97037521
>>97037551
Yes, there are options for being trash.

>>97037578
What if Lilith had sex with me, instead? What are the lore implications of that?

>>97037578
>not diablerizing the demiurge's masculine aspect to be made whole for the incestuous sex with mommy absolute
Come on, get your head in the game. Lilith thinks big.

>>97037604
Imagine wanting a turn on the world's first town bike

>>97037629
>God makes Adam
>Lilith does ????
>Lucifer now refers to God as a woman
Wait.

>>97037697
>cum out your soul when she bends over
Imagine

>>97037604
You're no longer capable of feeling positively towards her, and probably a bunch of Bahari will show up to kill you once she figures out a way to blame you for how things went.

I will never not hate owod lillith lore.

>>97035339
Hello? Based hunters? Yeah, I found another one.

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The East shall rise again one night...

>>97037739
The only thing rising is my dick.

>>97037752
Lucky for you their pussies can be warm.

You know revisiting the Mummy President, if you frame it around an HtR game it's basically JoJo part 7

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>>97037739
They already have anon

The Shadow Lords are always right.

>>97037919
Shadow Lords feel like one of the ones that would always get abandoned by the kinfolk were they not borderline mob bosses

>>97037942
I don't really recall them being cruel to their Kinfolk. The reason they turned on Dracula is because he started impaling them alongside the Turks.

>>97037942
Is that not basically every tribe with a similar justification?

>>97037952
Shadow Lords are the ones who are consistently said to be horrible to kinfolk. It gets jerked around depending on author, but they're usually listed as being particularly shit, kinfolk are just a resource type.

>>97037964
A Get or a Children of Gaia wouldn't mistreat their kinfolk

>>97037986
Get keep their kinfolk on compounds.

Out of the original clans and tribes which ones have the most parallel with each other?