Ill-Advised Collaboration Edition>Previous:>>97030395>Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/WiCHizn0>Mediafirehttps://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD>Mega Ihttps://mega.nz/folder/ePQ1BKhJ#RCosRCh59Ki2Mpb1M9H3Uw>Mega II (also containing fanmade games)https://mega.nz/folder/ZbQ2zLJA#DOT-3df6rS2lLet4_RmqJQ>WoD5 Megahttps://mega.nz/folder/7rQQ1LbQ#16_AiXVGo0P3_rVOJuoZyA>STV content foldershttps://pastebin.com/9i9zhydQ>General Creation Kithttps://mega.nz/#F!FWJgBTbb!f7d5rARWHYzuI8-8aI-Bxw>Ideas: BJ Zanzibar's WoDhttp://167.99.155.149/>Anders Mage Pagehttp://mage.gearsonline.net/anders/>White Wolf Wiki:https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page>Thread QuestionWhat vidya references have you done in your games? Maybe for a change we could share the times it went over well!
>>97038389>No WoD content by CapcomSad, kind of hurts
Doing my part and needlessly cluttering the board.
>>97038389Hasn't happened yet but one of the songs I have on the short list for my character if I have to whip out a performance is covering this cover of Bloody Tears from Castlevania.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdBCoeSYb00
>>97038523I guess there's other versions if it was just her on guitar doing it, but if the whole band is available I think it's neat that a black metal legend (albeit in a side project) covered it
>>97038523>>97038549Kinda neat yeah
Assamites = WendigoBrujah = Get of FenrisGiovanni =Glass WalkersGangrel = Red TalonsLasombra = Shadow LordsMalkavian = Black FuriesSetites = Silent StridersNosferatu = Bone GnawersRavnos = FiannaToreador = Children of GaiaTremere = UktenaTzimisce = Black Spiral DancersVentrue = Silver Fangs
>>97038406>tfw no WoD beat ‘em up in the style of the Capcom D&D games
>>97038659Damn, don't hurt me like that. It would have been kino>tfw no Resi clone for Hunter or VigilSometimes I fear we ended up in the worst timeline
>>97038389Drawfag here, back with another piece, this time a Silver Fang!
>>97038674Cool art drawanon, sick scene On some criticism, I'm not sure if the Woof's right fang is angled properly unless it's broken on purpose and I'm iffy on the tattoos but either way it looks very cool Great work
>>97038674Really cool overall but why Unicorn?
>>97038686It's angled right, it's just that a lack of shadow between it and the front teeth makes it look skewed, which is my fault. The markings as they are fur/skin warpaint.>>97038699I like unicorns and think they're badass.
>>97038672>>tfw no Resi clone for Hunter or VigilSEE ME IN TEN YEARS BROalso nocturne exists I guess
>>97038674Holy shit I had to double-take to realize this wasn't W20 art. Great job!
>>97038715lol based
>>97038730thanks man! I've done a little more work on my Shadow Lords picture too
>>97038715Oh I see, misinterpreted it on my side then lol, great art still to be clear, I meant the paint aesthetically, if it's to your taste that's perfectly fine
>>97038735Very nice.
>>97038719Nocturne was kino too. If you plan on making that as an indie bro, best of luck you'll deserve it for immaculate taste>>97038735Damn drawanon, you got some good fucking art
>>97038739The paint is there partly to justify the glyph on the forehead.>>97038741Thanks! Its thus far an older pic than the Silver Fang one, and a good bit choppier than the Fang turned out. I'm not super happy with it, but I'm going to retool it using the method of fur drawing that I learned while doing the Silver Fang. >>97038745Thanks man! I try to make stuff as beautiful as I can, especially for the Garou since they're my favorite.
>>97038735>>97038674You got any Black Spiral Dancers?
>>97038749Yeah, some good Garou art I likewise had to double take that it wasn't the card game or W20 art. Thanks for sharing with the thread. Hope the Shadow Lord redraw goes well though I think it looks good enough that you can maybe just make a follow up art with the same character
>>97038655Nah, it doesn't really work if you thing about it.
This is really embarrassing but sometimes I fantasize that I led the project for VTMB2 and I sent licensing and marketing a list of songs that I wanted us to get permission to use for the various nightclubs in the game.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGQO9ncVuEg
>>97038756No, but I do have a ferectoi. I intend to do a Black Spiral sometime though.>>97038763Thanks, I might!
Joining my first VTM (v20) game soon :)
>>97038889>This is really embarrassing but sometimes I fantasize that I led the project for VTMB2 and I sent licensing and marketing a list of songs that I wanted us to get permission to use for the various nightclubs in the game.honestly don't be too embarrassed, anon, this is not first time i seen osts for fictional fan projects
>>97038962Oh, wow, we're poppin' a cherry tonight!
>>97038962what are you playing?
>>97038889Nah that's just typical nerd shit, fan project ideas are always fun to think about
VTM adjacent post here, anyone play this? I ran a oneshot on halloween, the coterie got butchered by the a mafia in a meat factory
Someone was posting DrivethruRPG rankings a few threads ago, I checked their list, and Curseborne is number 1 right now. So I guess it's more of a trending list, rather than a proper bestsellers of all time.
>>97038974>>97038983we cancelled :(
>>97039104boah fuck. sorry to hear that
>>97039104*comfortingly tickles ur balls* sowwy bwo...
Euthanatos, what the fuck is this?This is why people don't like you!
>2008ho-hum
>>97039145this is just another guy who sadly fell to jhor
>>97038655Wouldn't tremere thematically equal the stolen moon guys?
>>97038674Very nice
>>97039218mods, kill this poster
>>97038674Nice, I like the silver contrast.
Later today I'll be playing WtA. Drew my character, he's a Fianna Ragabash descendant of Will Scarlet from Robin Hood's Merry Men. He's got a klaive, a Cait Sith numen and the Flair Glabro merit which he uses for his phantom thief alter ego.
>>97039218skin dancers don't really do the evil caster archetype well and also didn't exist when they made the set of og 13given that they can learn bane gifts (and one of their two unique gifts is about hidding taint), are hated by the main splat, can be made from kinfolk of all tribes, usually comes with a intiation ritual and can decide to use their powers for good despite being hated by everyone skinners could be argued to be the baali of wta
>>97039289Interesting concept, I like it. Especially since Ragabash is my favorite Auspice to play alongside Ahroun.
>>97038523How old is that girl supposed to be?
Euthanatos who administers twink death to unjust femboys
>>97038389I just want a hunter game >Inb4 old hunter games If they made a nu-hunter instead of VTMB2 it would have been a hit, normies love simple games where you kill monsters
>>97038389>What vidya references have you done in your games?A chronical that I played in was based in a fictitious city that was heavily inspired by the game Twisted Metal Black.
>>97038389a Capcom-made WoD would have been interesting.
>>97039375Thanks. This will be second time I'm playing a Garou, first time I my character had the Shy flaw and was the omega of the pack so I stayed quiet most of the time, now I'll be more proactive
will be taking over our VTM game for a while, we only played settings that are victorian or earlier so I want to try current-year modern nights for a change (my only exposure to modern setting is the bloodlines game), how challenging is it to keep the masquerade in 2020 onwards with 24/7 always online motherfuckers recording everything in front of them and almost every home and street corner having cameras? Someone who just happens to be on instagram streaming a random street at midnight and they find 4 pale niggas jumping across rooftops chasing other pale niggas seems far more likely than in the 1990s.
>>97039564Ecstatic who then turns them into bears
>>97039684As long as you aren't literally flying any "breach" can be explained by cgi, ai, editing, surprisingly easy
>>97039744>Twink death by MageHorrible fate for the Garou twinks trying to tempt the Hunters
>>97039751but even if the kine get fooled wouldn't that still piss off your betters who might punish you for even exposing the whole operation at risk?
>>97039744Serves them right for not killing epstein wizards instantly
>>97039381Late twenties
>>97039751Normies aren't a problem when it's a single dude who saw it happen and no one will believe him. I'd be worried about hunters or others since they know what to look for and might investigate.
>>97039772NTA but I assume the princes would have at least one newly embraced IT guy or PR manager to advise them on what can or cannot be shrugged as AI edited
>>97039744Why? If the ecstatic wants the woof to br a big hairy man, he can just ask him to shift into crinos form
>>97039772Sure the Prince might get mad but it's probably going to be bad as earlier years unless you're physically seen by a large group>>97039799I think even hunters might have too much information overload unless we assume every weird video we have now is a real supernatural encounter in wod. Valid probably but there's a lot of information to sift through
>>97039817But then it's not a man and the ecstatic probably doesn't want to get blendered unless the woof has good self-control. I'm not sure the Crinos appeal for degenerates is the same as the bear appeal
>>97039851>I think even hunters might have too much information overloadYou're probably right when it comes to most hunters but you still have to worry about the local ones. You never know if some band of local shizos / normal hunters decide to check it out. That and you're gonna go into some NSA / SAD file.
>>97039863>I'm not sure the Crinos appeal for degenerates is the same as the bear appealGlabro?
>>97039900Yeah that's true, Kindred should still be watching out, but I don't think one person's film will ever really get any heat or a CCTV camera. Maybe local rumors are more likely to get you caught
>>97039914Considering Glabro exists, yeah. Crinos is full on monsterfucking, Glabro is kinda weird but human enough. Though it's not like it matters to an ecstatic, they'd probably ask the Garou to be in crinos or hispo to get their rocks off
>>97039851So if I understand you correctly, you're saying that the ubiquity and brainrot of 2020s information available to everyone that is unintentionally staving off some effects of a masquerade violation even if it's caught on tape? Like if you accidentally got filmed tanking a direct collision by a car and getting up like it was nothing, it may be a semi-big deal in your city and the locals who might care about it, but it's not really gonna affect the whole masquerade in the big picture.
>>97039941Yes more or less>20 bajillions skibidi edits>Tons of le spoopy cam footage and clear editingThe sheer quantity would make it near impossible for Hunters overall to find actual global info whereas finding local rumors would likely stay reliable assuming you find someone that isn't glued to a screen. Feels a lot more realistic to me than>SI spooks can track every phone and image listed whenever wherever
Hello anons, I'm an old man who GMd Vampire the Masquerade long ago, and now my friends want me to GM a game of hunter, whats the state of that gameline? Looking around it seems my options are hunter the reckoning, hunters hunted, hunter the Vigil, and HtR5, are any of those widely rejected? Of the ones that aren't, what are each one geared towards?Thanks in advance
>>97039955H5 is the one we meme on all the time, it does everything worse since you're supposed to be a victim forever
>>97039955They want a power fantasy about a supernatural paladin in his doomed path towards schizophrenia?>Hunter the ReckoningThey want to play a game about scrappy humans outwitting the supernatural and interacting with varying support groups and other cool stuff?>VigilWant to play a complete normie who may end up a victim as he handles things outside of his knowledge and skill?>H5, though anons have said Hunters Hunter is betterYou'd be best off playing Vigil unless you REALLY want a modern book
>>97039965>>97039974Understood chief, it seems Vigil is my best bet, but I will probably cannibalize hunters hunted for cool numina
>>97039955Hunters hunted if you want to play as a normal human, Reckoning if you want to play as a shizo superhuman and vigil is for when you don't want to play oWoD Hunters Hunted.
>Cool old guy Redeemer Hunter with True Faith>Pirotess clone Sidhe Changeling>idk a changeling again?>Main character Silver Fang Ahroun with big ass Klaive>Bad bitch Ravnos thief>Edgelord Euthanatos MageFund it
>>97038479It's not like anything of worth was lost.
>>97040210All Changeling group.
>>97040020Just grab the psychic merits from the blue book, third eye or the codex.
How do I build a mech using deviant rules?
>>97040210>MC gets told no once>has to be put downClassic
>>97039050I haven't played it, but either the O.S.R. or N.S.R. people recommended it.
>>97038674>>97038735Awesome work, anon. Do you post your work anywhere?
>>97038756>Black Spiral Dancershttps://youtu.be/TNChSF5nqJs
>>97039753Garou have twinks?
What's your favorite piece of WoD art? Post it if you got it.
>>97038889I used to DJ at a goth club sporadically and my setlist was labeled "VTMB2 OST"So don't feel bad, I was worse.
>>97039090Curseborne is trash. Just another struggle simulator like v5
>>97041224I always loved this little progression art in the Order of Reason and the reference to it in the Iteration X book.
>>97039684You can breach the masquerade all you want as long as it cant be traced back to YOU, disguises & patsies get you far
>>97040941Yes, they’re called ragabashes
>>97040941Garou twinks should be the norm because of metabolism and burning through thousands of calories turning into a murder machine
Ventrue parties be like
>let me take this mortal and bestow him powers to live eternally, but I'll also take him under my wing, mentor him, and be with him for years, potentially decades or longerSame sex embrace sounds hella gay ngl
>>97041640They always skip the part where you are doomed to be a parasite forced to play deadly politics for all eternity and lose your soul
>>97041640Vampire probably end up bisexual considering they live for as long as they do and quickly lose themselves to degeneracy>>97041646This too
Are there any moral vampires that are not thin-bloods?
>>97041675>Thin-bloods>moralGood one now define moral
>>97041646>and lose your soul¨No they don’t. Crappadocius left one behind after diablerie.
>>97041646I didnt loose it, if anything I gained a few more!
>>97041675Is Saulot moral?
>>97041716Anon we both know the answer to that.
>>97041640Thankfully, you still have your soul. Can't become a Wraith if you didn't. Or get Diablerized. Or have Sabbat Soul Swap shenanigans.>>97041675Yeah, plenty.Menele, Dondinni, Mahatma, Rebekah before recent times, that guy from Sins of the Blood
>>97041716only in the gehenna scenario where he is booted out of tremere's body by the eldest and takes over the soulless body of a clonebut he isn't a vampire in that body
>>97041724I suppose it depends so yeah>>97041744Isn't he still responsible for making the clan with the devil worshippers
>>97041812>Isn't he still responsible for making the clan with the devil worshippersyes but you see something something it's not a good idea for a guy with multiple personality disorder to try out several morality systems right after anotherso saulot can canonically switch between being vampire jesus and a total asshole who wants to nuke us all
>>97041744You can just loose your vampirism by body hopping? How does that work?
>>97041675>Vampire>Moraloxymoron
>>97041812>Isn't he still responsible for making the clan with the devil worshippersdebatable. Clanbook Baali also has hints that it was the Eldest
>>97041886usually it doesn't because your soul is vampiric too (unless you die and become a wraith) so body hopping using necromancy for example is not a way to get rid of your vampirism in vtm but Antediluvians have actual plot powers and a lot of them have the goal of getting rid of their vampirism
>>97041665How many years would it take you to try dick after you get embraced?
>>97042112Zero. Drinking blood is way more stimulating than sex. Most vampires are more likely to become asexual than sexual deviants the longer their unlife goes. Except fiends. They fall to degeneracy pretty fast.
>>97042130Isn't it that when all your basic needs get reduced to "drink blood and don't get caught in the sun" and you're also a superhuman who can very easily manage that, you'll get bored easily and that's why you fall into degenerate shit?
Given that saulot took over tremere's body, or at least tried to since he underestimated the wizened wizards will, and many of the tremere elders also snacked on salubri methusulas, is there a chance the top of the pyramid is a second slightly smaller pyramid?
>>97042130>>97042112Yeah but think about it you could fuck AND get a sippy to chase further and further pleasure
>>97042182This was always the case, the pyramid never ends>It's just layers upon layers of Tremere/Hermetic conspiracy
>>97041646Maybe if you're a pussy, real men just do the losing your soul part
>>97038674Wow, super wow. Impressive as always anon! Caught some of your art in previous threads for a while now, though I’m sure that I must have missed some.Man, makes me wonder how my vampire character, I_am_a_Shark, would look like in your style. I got a good spooky AI pic, but the software couldn’t do a shark-like face and jaws at all. It just looks like it took Ghostface’s mask and shaped it like a bat.I really wanted to have a picture of my Nosferatu hybrid that could accurately capture his huge maw with rows of teeth, his bestial (shark) appearance as if he suffered from the Gangrel curse to the maximum, and his “beacon of the unholy” flaw.
>>97038674>>97038735Absolutely BAD-ASS. Thanks for being in these generals, drawfag. You make things so much better for everyone. PS: a BSD piece would be great at some point in the future.
As a general question, and since I enjoyed /gwnet/ enough for some threads, what if we get maybe a monthly rotating thread of the splats going as a roleplay thing and do Hunter next ?
>>97042349Drawbro's art is pretty good I'd be pleased with anything, but if he sticks with WtA I'd love to see a Get and a BSD as well
>>97042354I'm all for it but I don't know if we have the numbers, gwnet had like 2/3 mages there for no reason
>>97042373Well, ideally people would be more open to actually roleplaying the splat if it's done for fun and not as a containment board. Either way it isn't as if we can't have any cross splatting but yeah 3 different mage posters a thread would slightly derail it. Though I feel mageposts have less friction with a hunter thread as it could be just schizophrenia. Now the question would be imbued or normal(maybe a mix of Vigil/H5) hunters. Could be fun
>>97042354Over a weekend should be ideal.>>97042387Vigil/h5 mix for the peak conspiracy rp
>>97042387Just mix vigil and oldschool hunter. H5 lore has 0 soul
>>97042522>>97042420Hmm. But Imbued is kind it's own thing compared to Vigil, it'd be hard to mix. Maybe Hunters Hunted and Vigil then so as to not devolve into schizoposting unnecessarily
>>97042550In all likelihood, it'll probably get Imbued posters no matter the initial idea. They're kinda like mages up their own ass, but vigil/hunters hunted or h5 would give us some motivation to properly ignore them as being tainted. You can never be too sure of a Qashmal's blessing after all.
>>97042595The occasional imbued poster is fine as it's just a bit of schizophrenia in a hunter I think
>>97042550Just do what the Inquisition did, label them as demons and act accordingly
We should have a mummy larp thread
>>97042663Would be fun but I'd rather we stick to one alt thread at a time since /schreck/ will be a long stay. My idea was more for a bit of fun every now and then like gw than long RP stories, at the very least the more antagonistic interactions you can have in a shorter lifespan rp should be less grating. I'd be down for mummy too eventually, maybe some sage anon can make a poll
>>97042683Depends. I wouldnt really look at /schreck/ as a success. Its got same problem of being only maybe 3-5 dudes larping multiple people. It just doesnt have the magefag posting
>>97042212I don't get what the appeal is
>>97042712I mean rather I would prefer a single running splat alternative to /schreck/ than trying to get 6 concurrent rp threads. I suppose also anons might get into unpopular RP more readily if it's just a quick seasonal thing, otherwise I wouldn't foresee much mummy or demon engagement. I'm sure if we get around to Mage it'll either be a reverse raid of other splats or fairly popular at it seems to be one of the most liked ones on here
What are the benefits of going insane in WoD?
>>97042735There are none. The closest would be always active disciplines that some kindred can do.
>>97042735There aren't necessarily a lot of benefits to going insane, it's just that a lot of benefits have going insane as a downside (malkavians, silver fangs, all mages, changelings, and imbued hunters)
>>97042735Depends on what you think of as insanity. The Malkavian network isn't really insanity, but it's seen from the outside as such. Mages are all so stubborn that they could be seen as insane for thinking the magic they do will work, plus they have actually insane mages in marauders who are basically so stubborn that the universe itself decides to nope out when near them. Changelings are in a similar boat, they actively court delusions in the guise of whimsy.
>>97042735Your dick gets bigger.
>>97042735It's easier to develop powers (marauder mages, shizoing yourself into high true faith)
>>97042713Lasombra, tzimisce, and city gangrel pussy
>>97042945Lasonbra>Lord Adrian's Orifices or whatever its calledTzimisce>TrannyGangrel>Eh... as long as she showers first
>>97042945>city gangrelsomehow feels closer to bestiality than fucking a woof
>>97042945are there no longer a bunch of Brujah to hatefuck?
>>97042988truth nuke
>>97042982I think if your first thought about fleshcrafted pussy is not>perfectly designed to give max pleasurebut rather>used to be a penisThen that says something more about you. Care to share with the rest of the class?
>>97042834Grl here, it's true. Crazy guys have the biggest dicks.
>>97042982>Eh... as long as she showers firstGood luck with that.
Is it possible for a garou to live a long time? Like for a White Howler to somehow still be alive?
>>97042735Both of the examples I can think of are in nwodVigil I believe the only wod game line, new or old, that allows you to pick and mix your morality system. The closest you get is the "Paths of what I was gonna do anyway" of Masqurade.But Hunters get to say that killing isn't wrong, replacing it with something else as an equal sin, or stealing isn't wrong replacing that instead with something else, creating a custom moral code that they can live by and maintain high humanity (And reaping the benefits of that)But you are also a batshit insane person who doesn't think murder is bad.I also think Requiem only let's you use their version of Dementation if you have a derangement.
>>97042354What is the equivalent for Hunters?The Union is Vigil. Is there a net service mentioned in Reckoning?
How do you properly become a smoker and not have to deal with the small chance you accidentally rötschreck in a crowd and you look like a pussy?
>>97043151hunter-net.orga lot of the fluff is written in the form of users communicating with each other
>>97043175>hunter-net.orgIt's imbued shit, which would disqualify a good 80%+ of what people would wanna play.
>>97043153Vlan Ventrue & Pentex pushed for vape for a reason
>>97043153Micro-dosing on rötschrecks so you don't get triggered while next to a lit cigarette. Practice with a match
>>97043192Vaping makes you look like a bigger pussy than someone who shat their pants lighting up a cigarette.
>>97043189it be like that
>>97043022You can fuck bruja anywhere, just listing sabbat exclusives
>>97043286>>97043189We could just pretend it isn't but yeah that is a problem. Could have sworn Vigil had its own net version
Lasombra WIP! A change from WtA, but I really liked the evil shadow-armor Lasombra can summon. So I went with this!
Which clans have the cutest girls?
>>97042349Unfortunately, all I have for you is this very old sketch! But a Black Spiral is on the slate eventually!
>>97043349Did Network Zero really not have a specific network or irs channel? How odd.>>97043380Looks fucking sick. What pissed off the Lasombra to bring out their war form?
>>97043399 >What pissed off the Lasombra to bring out their war form?Someone tried to turn the lights on....
>>97043409>>97043399>The Lasombra was brooding in the dark and the ghoul decided to turn the lights on>This is enough to trigger the "Sabbat Ruling Class"Weak, this is why Tzimisce are better
>>97043448"I live....in a world....of darkness.""Master, I think the fuse is--""No.""It's okay I can just flip the---""Nothing ever happens."
>>97043397Maybe give him a cool motorcycle?
>>97043349The Union has a forum idk how Network Zero communicate
>>97043515network zero has a website where they upload shit idk if they use anything else
>>97043452Kek'd>>97043494You really enjoy the motorcycle don't you
>>97043494
>>97043719a motorcyclist killed his whole family
>>97042735You become an slasher who has access to a variety of dread powers and essentially become a urban myth who has to play along with the trope they embody.
>>97043565I just think a magic motorcycle is a cool concept for WtA
>>97043577kek
>>97043759It's a cool idea yeah
>>97043577Is this a Brujah?>>97043731>>97043719This man must be a Ventrue to hate Brujah so much
>>97043895Toreador. You can tell by ease he drives, and the frozen obsessive rage in his eyes.
>>97043826can they soak that?
>>97043908I could picture it, would never let a Toreador or a Brujah drive me around>>97043910>Motorcycle sparksI don't think they can
>>97043826How do you better split the dice pool to prevent this?
>>97041920The stuff that says it was Saulot on his way back from China was from Tremere. You know, the guy that started the other offshoot Tzimisce bloodline, who was shit-talking Salubri before he got possessed by the Eldest?
>>97044141I'll be honest, I don't know enough about the ins and outs of Tremere or Saulot's travels to tell if you're refuting or reinforcing my point. They've never interested me. I just know that Clanbook Baali hints at Vicissitude being used to rekt the original gen of Baali
>>97044203How'd the Eldest rek Baali? A little proto-biological warfare or just handcrafted monsters to fight teh daemons?>>97044141Sounds like something Saulot would push considering what he knew.
>>97044212Melting some of them together and pulling bones out to stake others with still living bodies
>>97044225and yeah it's not as purely Vicissitude as I initially surmised
>>97044225Oh Eldest, you're so crazy. Of course Saulot's cringe shit would offend his aniki.
>>97044203Reinforcing. I'm saying evidence that Saulot founded the Baali could have been forged by Tremere, either to smear the Salubri or under the Eldest's influence.
>>97038659>max roman pulls a 15 hit combo on the Raptor
>mfw Appearance 5
>>97042663L.A.R.P. is different from free-form roleplay. You must be at least 30 years old to post on 4chan.
Another update on the Lasombra! A bit crisper of an image export too.
I thought I was a Redeemer, but I’m starting to realize I have more in common with the Innocent.
>>97044366I said larp, not L.A.R.P. faggot. You know what I meant, definitions evolve.
>>97044225Whose to say The Eldest isn't Saulot? Maybe Saulot gave himself that third eye the easy way & just pretended it was enlightenment?
97044378Nice try, zoomer.
>>97044353
>>97044371looks pretty nice man, good job
>>97044373>Another InnocentKill yourself. We don’t need anymore deadweight in this war.
Got a question for story tellers. Wanna run my first actual game of vtm, and we're doing it online first before some meet ups irl. I've played a few times irl, and got the feel of the story telling and roleplay position, got the rules and such down, and wanna give it a shot.Roll20 (demiplane by extension) and Foundry all require purchasing the books again, but duh they're on anyflip for free. You can choose the option to just enter the stuff manually on roll20, but this'll be my friends first times actually playing or even getting into wod, so I want it to be easier on them.Any suggested sites or such to run their first little adventure so they get the feel?
>>97044371to be honest in my head male lasombra pretty much all look like tryhard idiots like pic related from their clan book or generic guys in suits so this is a welcome change of pace
Stat them
>>97044373>I thought I was a gay, but I’m starting to realize I have more in common with the faggors.Ftfy
Can someone spoonfeed me a "These books are good, these are shit" list for VtM? I'm a V5 primary that's trying to learn the good shit that everyone misses.
>Another Werewolf ThreadThat's pretty wild man, or should I say Wyld>>97044656Just read V20 and the clan books and then pick and choose what you want to be using or reading. V20 by itself is enough to run an entire game without extra stuff but there's a lot of other cool sourcebooks
>>97044850Yeah. I'm afraid of reading a terrible one and learning a bad habit from "fuck with your players emotions irl and keep going if they tell you to stop" era game design, or whatever. I don't know.
>>97044866That only really applies to Wraith, Vampire is generally very "hey you should discuss this with your players before you rape their character maybe". I get you though, but the lore of the clans books are very solid and V20 is sort of a compendium piece between all the editions. Best of luck though anon, it's a long read
>>97044594Retainer 1, speciality in unskilled labor.
>>97044501Alien Hunger is an easy intro the setting. Besides that, you can always use titbits from VtMB and the other videogames.
>>97043380>>97043397Thank you very much for the art.
>>97043153Just raise your Courage until you are not a bitch.
>>97042420>Vigil/h5 mix for the peak conspiracy rpMy guy, what does H5 even bring to the table?
>>97045042Nothing, use Hunters Hunted if you want oWoD stuff. Most people I've met that play vigil just port that oWoD groups they like into their Vigil games anyway.
>>97045048Yeah. Surprisingly enough it's piss easy to turn most of them into Mystery Cult stats.
Does anyone remember the name of the STV book where they made Werewolves into more standard depictions of the creature? I keep remembering one of the sample characters being a typo cultist and I'm not sure if I'm just misremembering shit.
>>97045171you mean this? >The Darkness Owns: The Lupines
>>97045055Well yeah, Mystery Cult is basically just a universal rubric for any secret society or conspiracy with any substance, basically a development of the extra benefits for Status you had in HtV. It's such a solid system that V5 just shamelessly copied it for Loresheets, which is pretty much the only universally praised mechanic in that edition.
>>97044371Here is your incredibly subtle master of deception and intrigue bro. Watch out for his Machiavellian schemes. I'm not dunking on the art, to be clear. I simply find it amusing how the writers try to paint the Lasombra as both genius sociopath manipulators and the most unsubtle and blunt Lord of Darkness motherfuckers, practically in the same sentence.
>>97045363Maybe not every Lasombra is both at the same time, anon. Sorry for blowing your mind, but not every member of a clan embodies all of that clan's stereotypes at once.
>>97045387What has you so pissy?This is why I said "practically in the same sentence", dummy. As in, they will point at some Lasombra, say he's a master of deception, and then proceed to show the bluntest instrument of a vampire who would make Bela Lugosi Dracula look subtle.
>>97045363i think the subtle lasombra is mostly the dark age writers trying to find any nichè the lasombra can have in a society where they exist with the rest of the high clansi don't think it's a good choice, but i can see why it could be hard to write shadow ventrue when they can't be antagonistic to the ventrue yet
The "Lasombra are master manipulators" thing is in-character propaganda 100%. They got finessed into making a welfare state for the Tzimisce.
>>97045401Nothing new for any clan. Toreador has socialites and master swordsmen, Brujah has brutes and philosophers, Lasombra has predators and schemers.
>>97045363Lasombra just have xianxia attitude. As long as they are weaker they are ass kissers and schemers who are going to be crawling on their bellies and kowtowing. Until they finally get an advantage. But the moment they feel in power they immediately start stepping on everyone, slapping everyone in the face and killing people left and right.Very much in line with their progenitor who is even by vampire standards is a giant asshole in a shape of a man.
>>97045407>Beak people down so they have nothing before embracing them>Immediately forced to build everything back up in order to fund the tzimisces's lifestyles "for the good of the sabbat"Tragic really
>>97045404Fitting that DA writers forgot to give just a bit more substance. They shoulda helped hammer in how Lasombra can be regime toppers if they aren't filling in a power vacuum.
>>97045245I just read through it, it's astonishing how much cooler Lupines are than the Garou. White Wolf really shat the bed with WtA
>>97042354I'd be interested, but I'd say it'd only be worthwhile if there were enough people actually willing to post. I'm not saying Prime Schrecknet numbers but eh, you know. More than a handful. I'd recommend Vigil primary, not only because it appears to be the most popular, but because it is the most setting agnostic meaning nobody is going to bat an eye if you claim to be a member of the Society of Leopold. The only issue is Vigil lacks a central "website". The Union has a forum, and Network Zero IS a website, but Vigil Hunters are in a weird place where compacts and conspiracies do work together, but to a limited capacity. They don't outright distrust each other most of the time, but they don't trust each other enough to form a proper coalition. My suggestion? Especially if you're planning a limited run, treat it as a project by the OP, who is a Net 0 Hunter (or other tech guy if you'd prefer) that's setting up a crackhead E2EE Hunter communication platform. Think Signal for hunters, very decentralized, and it being a new experiment could explain a lower poster count without creating the sort of cognitive dissonance that plagued /schreck/. Also gives a non-RP dissonant way to end it if it isn't getting enough traffic to sustain itself. Enough supernaturals got in to merit it being nuked. Not sure what to name it though.
>>97045413Your reading comprehension needs work. I am saying it is a problem because they assign contradictory traits to the same character. >>97045431>Lasombra just have xianxia attitude.That's not a horrible explanation actually. >>97045404VTDA Lasombra suffer a lot from being at least one writer's pet. There's a ton of Lasombrawank in DA, but it isn't very substantial. Which is a shame.
>>97045437"You see childe, we are the masters of the Sword of Caine. It is our magnum opus. It is that which shall shatter the Antediluvians, and raise Us up as the true heirs of the Dark Father. None can hold a candle to the might and brilliance of the Clan Lasombra! Not even those doddering fops the Ventrue can compare to us... oh by the way, Bishop Szmatasch the Incorrigible needs eleven female college students for his latest project. We need his szlachta for our next raid against the Camarilla so be a good childe and fetch them for us. Oh and he insists they be females, not 'femboys', whatever that means. And make sure to take your shoes off inside his haven or he will turn you into a rug... that should be all. I have a sect to run now, childe."
>>97043759Pretty sure you can do it in Forsaken as a Steel Wolf Fetish.
Tragic how the sabbat can't hold up to scrutiny.
>>97045475>VTDA Lasombra suffer a lot from being at least one writer's pet. There's a ton of Lasombrawank in DA, but it isn't very substantial. Which is a shame.tell me about it. the clan opinions in Libellus Sanguinis make it sound like most cainites consider lasombra to be the most awesome guys in the world (after themselves of course) but then there are like... no lasombra npcs in the books to support that world view
>>97045496can any of the sects? in both versions of vampire?
It seems like Lasombra greatness has caused another argument.
>>97045525I've gone on this diatribe before, but I think the biggest problem the Lasombra have is, unlike their counterparts in the Tzimisce, the Lasombra have never fully escaped the Ventrue's shadow. heh When they made the Sabbat playable, the Tzimisce definitely got the better fleshing out. Vicissitude is a very physical power, despite it not being very good at unga smashing. Even Zulo feels more like a consolation prize than anything else. This contrasts well with the Tremere's Thaumaturgy, which is very non-physical. Vicissitude does "one thing" but has a lot of creative applications even if the mechanics don't always hold up, Thaumaturgy has a billion paths, but each path does one thing. Even when the Tzimisce were given their own blood magic, Koldunic Sorcery was distinct from Thaumaturgy in how it functioned and how it was flavored. Tremere are coercively collectivist, Tzimisce are decentralized and fiercely independent. It's to the point where the two don't feel like they occupy the same niche at all, despite one being a technical bloodline of the other. But they went the wrong direction with the Lasombra, in my opinion. Rather than focus on the thirst for power, they tried to differentiate via rulership techniques. The problem there is that it is still the Lasombra meeting the Ventrue on their terms. The Lasombra are master manipulators. And the Ventrue aren't? Oh no, the Lasombra are the real nobles, Ventrue are just merchants... except they really aren't. Ventrue are the direct, lead from the front blowhards, the Lasombra are the power behind the throne... but the Ventrue are the ones who are the biggest Masquerade advocates? I think it's an unworkable position. They should've used the Sabbat's far more decentralized nature to emphasize the mystic aspects of the Lasombra, as well as non-rulership methods of pursuing power. They even have a lot of official examples to work with. Lasombra pirates, Abyss Mystics.
>>97044385Wasn't the going theory the eldest was saulot's beast excised from him, which is how he managed to colgonda?
>>97045589I've gone on this diatribe before, but I think the biggest problem the Lasombra have is, unlike their counterparts in the Tzimisce, the Lasombra have never fully escaped the Ventrue's shadow. i know and i think i also agreed with you before>the Lasombra are the power behind the throne... but the Ventrue are the ones who are the biggest Masquerade advocates?yes and i don't see how the lasombra are suited to be the shadow rulers like yeah i get the pun but they are in the running for the least subtil powerset in vtm+ in the modern nights they run a lot of the faction who's endgame include that they want to rule humanity openly
>>97045638that's confusing Saulot and EnochGolconda is also named after the city which was only build in the 11th century and the eldest has childe who are far older than that
>>97045589Now honestly, there is a reasonable argument that this problem only exists because the first run of VTM decided to make a designated "rulership/aristocrat" clan in the first place. Much as I love the Ventrue, I think that's a valid point. By creating a clan whose entire thing is being leaders and rulers, as well as being the most universally applicable archetype of all the clans, the "vampire as elite", you create a nasty dilemma. If the Ventrue are not the rulers of the surrounding Kindred, or at least the Kine, they don't really have anything to do. And it's well understood that in VtM, controlling the Kine is the winning strategy, so one will commonly lead to the other. That's why the Ventrue do it. The writers also had this weird compulsion to try to rectify this by just not including Ventrue outside of Europe, the Americas and India. FFS, the Ventrue are the only clan that doesn't have a Laibon lineage. Which again, I would say was the incorrect choice. The Ventrue hit on a truly universal concept. Even hunter gatherers have hierarchies derived from more than raw physicality. For them to be absent in most of the world requires another clan with their own themes to be pigeonholed into that role. Perhaps if one went back in time, one shouldn't have made a designated ruler vampire clan in the first place and made the jyhad a less clan-defined dynamic. However, that is not the timeline we have. So attempts to fill the Ventrue niche with another clan leaves one of the Cam 7 with fuck all to do, and at worst fills their slot with a one-note ethnicity-or-power-based gimmick. The fact I've spent more time talking about the Ventrue while explaining the core problem with the Lasombra is probably the best case I could make.
>>97045589Abyss pirates and sailors could've had such a stranglehold on global movement. It could've been such a good mark on history compared to the piracy in antiquity.Imagine being a ghouled captain that left port under the cover of day, made it a good distance away from any sort of land by night. Your sire's feeling confident they escaped what plagued them and they'll be able to set up in the new world. Only the night crew starts getting whittled down and the ocean seems unnaturally calm during the day. One evening you can't shake the feeling of an ambush so you spend hours looking with a spyglass, finding nothing, only for a crewmate to announce black sails in a direction you just checked. Then more sails in the opposite direction. The sounds of the water being breached as a final ship rises in front of you.The old world's dislike would properly hate them
>>97045589I think more could be done with Lasombra taking shit & being pirates as well as tying it to the Abyss. They go somewhere, take it over, say until its not fun anymore, take all the good shit & then run
Who is the most powerful canon Changeling? And could they stand a chance against the most powerful of any of the other lines?
>>97045700ctd? the most powerful stated changeling to my knowledge are Meilseoir and Astarte and no not even close who aren't even technically Changelings because they are still full fae>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Astarte_(CTD)>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Meilseoirctd had a problem with the fact that it's power system sucked balls before c20 to the point where even ctd fans weren't using the rules (big factor of why the game died) and c20 has like most other anni editions barely any npc stats
>>97045642>but they are in the running for the least subtil powerset in vtm+ in the modern nights they run a lot of the faction who's endgame include that they want to rule humanity openlyExactly. My solution for it is fairly straightforward. The medieval Lasombra were the anomaly. Now hear me out here. What were the Lasombra doing before the collapse of western Rome? Not a whole lot of ruling. In fact, one of their Clanbooks mentions the first massive move they made in the Jyhad was being a major force behind the bronze age collapse. While probably conceived of to legitimize the pirate Lasombra because dude sea people, I think this is a really good idea. It emphasizes that the Lasombra definition of power is, or at least can be, entirely divorced from mortal institutions. However, the world of the mortals bounced back stronger than ever. Ventrue lore makes it quite clear that the collapse of Western Rome was one of the biggest fuck-ups in their clan's history, and the early medieval was without a doubt their lowest point. Civilizations have fallen before, and the Ventrue usually pivot expertly, giving their rivals little to no chance at capitalizing, but with Rome too many Ventrue genuinely fell for the lie that it was invincible. While they were turning migration era german warlords left and right, it was a decentralized clusterfuck, and as a result a lot of Ventrue started taking the clan's traditions of cooperation less seriously, causing infighting.The Lasombra took advantage and tried to fill the power gap. They infiltrated the Church which did have Ventrue influencing it, but that influence was underdeveloped given the old guard's hatred of Christianity. They took coastal domains, mostly in the south of former Rome. But they could never fully slot into the role perfectly. Then the Anarch Revolt kicked off and honestly? The Sabbat was a return to form for the Lasombra. That's how I see it at least. None of the bullshit. Power, mysticism, and faith.
>>97045642>least subtle powersetTruly the problem of being npc bosses originally
>>97045680>>97045690I 100% agree. I massively emphasize the abyss mystics and pirates (really raiders in general, land-based ones too because I don't like pigeonholing clans into regions). You'll find a lot more Lasombra in nomadic packs than you'd think, in fact they might be the second most common clan in nomad packs after Gangrel. When they do have to engage in manipulating mortals, they do so with an exasperated sigh and really pine for the days where they could just mindrape the fuck out of someone or punch a hole through their heads. Which doesn't mean that every single one is a witch-king or a meathead. In the last hunter game I was a player in, we had a pretty fun "suave" Lasombra as a villain. He ran a riverboat enterprise (it was a historical game). He'd do cargo runs and then once in town, would turn it into a casino and pleasure boat. He unlived for two things, material wealth (with as few obligations as possible) and blood. His MO was pull into port, spend a few weeks running his little casino outside of the city's legal limits while trying to seduce and drink from every good-looking woman or man in town. The entire reason we were hunting him in the first place was he was coming back for revenge, since one of the hunter's origin stories was shooting him in the head while he was drinking his sister's blood. He straight up wanted to shovelhead this guy's sister out of spite and make her drink him dry. That's a good social Lasombra without feeling like an edgier Ventrue with weird powers.
>>97045363I have him using that abyssal armor power from Obtenebrate. But it's true, I prefer Lasombra as demonic lords of darkness and the scions of devouring shadow, instead of manipulators and subtle workers of mischief. I've never been one for subtlety generally anyways.
>>97045458You don't like to fuck ze dogs?>>97045464This is a pretty interesting idea, the one I had was just to cannibalize hunter-net though this one is a lot more developed. Should be good practice for future ones where there's no canon websites and we're winging it
>>97045814That's another thing. Lasombra and Gangrel should have closer ties. Not just because of the scant ocean connections but because of their survivalism undercurrent. Greek/city gangrel being the tissue between the clans would help as well giving them something more.
>>97045638No that's Enoch, but think about it like this, the Eldest begins life as a monster, trys to find enlightenment & evolution to go from a flawed being made of Enochs waste to a perfect being. He wanders around makes a ton of mistakes & evils on his way. When he starts the Baali restarts with three, the Salubri have three subdivisions, Tremere had the whole Tremere/Gorotrix/Etrius another trinity. Three clans of Three. Three clans Dynamic, Entropic, & Static. Three clans looking to advance/transcend/explore/evolve vampirism. Saulot has Three eyes. It's vicissitude, not enlightenment, he just plays the role & hopes that it works out, but it doesn't because he's just acting like the saint without embodying the virtues he pretends to have.
>>97044585Thanks! I've never liked how a lot of their art looks, it never betrays that they draw not on simple mundane shadows, but living darkness itself. And thus, I imagined them as one of the more alien and inscrutable Clans.
>>97045868I enjoy it. It just reminded me of that little lore dissonance. I'm noticing a similarity between the mouth on his shield, and the effect you had on the mouth of the Eater of Souls back when you did the triatic wyrm. Was that intentional, or just similar aesthetics?
>>97045887That's an interesting perspective, I always thought Lasombra were some of the more human sabbat members due to their reliance or mob-like violence, scheming, and co-opting of religious organizations while the Tzimisce are le whacky "lol, I turned this guy into a chair with three dicks for legs because it'd be funny" type of alien. In a way, Tzimisce imo are more like very autistic fae than vampires. Not to say your interpretation isn't valid or neat, I've seen Lasombra who are kinda both, and it's some neato art as well
>>97045658"So we have this Clan that's all about civilization, rightful rulership, purity of blood, and noblesse oblige... clearly they can only be Indo-Europeans."What did White Wolf mean by this?
>>97045911It's somewhat unintentional, its there to give an impression of great cavernous depth. But at the same time, it does reflect a connection between the two, as I'd imagined that the Eater of Souls spends time in the Abyss as that place is spiritually resonant with it. But ultimately, its mostly a visual device. I'm surprised you noticed that detail, thank you!>>97045914The reason I feel theyre alien is that Im of the feeling that Disciplines shape the user (hence why vicissitude will cause your flesh to develop a mind of its own), and therefore the power of the Abyss that flows through Obtenebrate transforms users into something more alike itself: scuttling, dark, amorphous, and alien.
>>97045983By this vein of thought I suppose dementation causes Malkavian madness to progress further than what their clan curse normally allows because it channels voices and thoughts outside of the user's and victim's minds in a way. Kind of cool
>>97045589How would you reflavor them, or try to make them more distinct from the ventrue?
>>97046108nta but maybe play up their thirst for power or a psychological need to kill or destroy because of their abyss connection? Like being partially possessed by Nana or even give them a Shadow like a Wraith does, any sort of particular dark urge like maybe a particularly articulate or vocal beast they struggle to resist
Okay so here's V20's movement rules:Movement: Characters may choose to walk, jog, or run. If walking, a character moves at seven yards per turn. If jogging, a character moves at (12 + Dexterity) yards per turn. If all-out running, a character moves at (20 + [3 x Dexterity]) yards per turn. Characters may move at up to half maximum running speed, then subsequently attack or perform another action; see p. 274 for particulars. Characters may also wish to move while taking another action. This is possible, but each yard moved subtracts one from the other action’s dice pool. Note that injured characters (p. 282) cannot move at maximum speed. And the relevant part of the injured characters table: Injured (-1) Character suffers minor injuries and movement is mildly inhibited (halve maximum running speed). Wounded (-2) Character suffers significant damage and may not run (though he may still walk). At this level, a character may only move or attack; he always loses dice when moving and attacking in the same turn.Mauled (-2) Character is badly injured and may only hobble about (three yards per turn). Crippled (-5) Character is catastrophically injured and may only crawl (one yard per turn).I have some notes. 1. As near as I can tell, Jogging serves very little purpose as written. Your ability to move and then perform an action is based on 1/2 maximum movement speed (e.g., Running). Your ability to act *while moving* is likewise based on the number of yards you move over and above your normal walking speed. The only purpose of jogging seems to be that Injured says that you halve your maximum *Running* speed but not *Jogging*) speed. Wounded says that you can't Run but you can still Walk; as written this implies that you can't Jog. 2. Bearing (1) in mind, I feel like this whole thing could be streamlined. At Injured, you can no longer Run At Mauled, you can no longer Jog At Crippled, you're reduced to hobbling about (3 yards/turn).
>>97046163Alternatively just eliminate Jogging entirely.The main reason this came up is that I'm making an Animorphs hack of WoD, which obviously means changing form and thus movement speeds (and types - flying and swimming, natch) fairly often, so I figured I'd re-familiarize myself with the movement rules and the redundancy of Jogging just jumped out at me.
>>97046108nta either but i'd lean into the nihilistic aspect of the clan. lean harder into that the lasombra expect to live forever and everything else won't, even outliving whatever empire they build or rule. seeking to put themselves in a position best to exploit their empire but never doom themselves to die in it's collapse, and each time their empire collapses they'll simply move on to the next with whatever spoils they could carry, re-inventing themselves from the ground up to best exploit their new empire all over again.that's why they gravitate towards both the sabbat and the catholic church, both have an expected expiration, so living like it could all end tomorrow isn't suspicious at all because that's central to both their teachings.
>>97045949The same thing they meant when they made the sandnig clan weakness being dark and getting darker and made no nigger clans at all
>>97046108Well I already discussed it >>97045814 and >>97045757I think what's already there with the Lasombra is mostly workable, but the wrong parts of it are emphasized. The emphasis should be on the raiders, despoilers, and mystics. It would actually sync up better with why "their" sect is decentralized, why one of its foundational rites is sanctioned duels, why the Sabbat is either an anarcho state or a dictatorship depending on the particulars. If anything, this makes the Sabbat make a lot more sense as to why it is the way it is, and actually improves the Lasombra's image. No, they aren't the crown princes of a walking dumpster fire where they can't control shit. This is working exactly as intended. The Lasombra will naturally rise to the top of a sect loosely held together by religious fervor, force of will, and hatred for a common foe, they designed it that way. It makes them more coherent with the Sabbat's stated goals of>Conquer all vampirekind>Eat the Antediluvians>Enslave the mortalsIt's all there, but because VTM is "the politics game", they emphasize the knockoff Ventrue parts rather than the more interesting and unique things they have going on, which are left tragically underdeveloped. >>97045983>I'm surprised you noticed that detail, thank you!No problem, I'm a big fan of your work.
>>97046108nta, third time, but I'd make the mystics more central and underpinning of the clan. Their mystics give them a confidence that other clans find pretension, not because of their power though that's definitely something, but how assured they are in what they belief and the values studying the darkness instills.Acting decisively for your goal, working with your fellow mystics, along with knowing and testing your limits. Patience is indirectly valued because darkness is always there in the end, and just sometimes, you have to wait for the tides to be more favorable. Both in the abyss and in "reality".I'm not really against them being so cutthroat internally, but it feels like a hang up of their evil faction boss origin that never got hammered into something more fitting as they became a player clan.
>>97041812He embraced devil tiger and he is one of the suggested origins of the baali.Saulot always has an undercurrent of malevolence, but none of it is strictly confirmed, so you can play him straight as a good guy, or run him as the most evil being in the universe.>>97046496The problem there lies in the nature of the sabbat as a fundamentalist noddist cult. You have to either have the lasombra all disregard the sabbat with its religious trappings or add another sub cult identity on the sabbat and its already gotten stupid on that front.Like obviously abyss mystics are already a thing in the sabbat but it isnt central.
How can I gain a background like Arcane during play?
>>97046569Yes, you can get literally Any background during play, but you need a good explination for it.A mage increasing their avatar would need a reason why it's getting stronger(was it only partially awakened? Is it shattered and you're finding the pieces? Is it like a seed that needs to mature with care and maintenance?)
>>97046569Come across a psychic that's psychically invisible. Get inspired.
>>97046569A)Are you a Mage, Changeling or Mummy?If you are, they have magical BS to do it. Especially Mages, see image.B)Are you willing to sell your soul to demons, eldritch creatures and dark gods? If so, they can do that for you too. This is pretty much the easiest way for vampires. See image further.
>>97046568Yeah. The sabbat feels very much like it was thought of first as an enemy faction and then filled in with history regarding the clans that fill it. So any sort of further development runs into 'well why would they stick with the sabbat'? Sure 3rd gen is bad and methuselah aren't much better but the sabbat isn't much more of a war engine in the best light.>>97046569>>97046641If you're a vampire, you could probably work out something with your ST and entreat the Nameless for the background. Cause surely the forgotten Baali founder won't do much.
So no more /gwnet/?
>>97046693Correct. Maybe it'll return again if those anons talking about a rotating once a month thread start up.
>>97046693Werewolf doesn't actually have that much spam ITT to warrant one, despite a couple of butthurt faggots' opinion to the contrary
>>97046703>>97046715Shame, I just joined
>>97046693>>97046756I'm not entirely against continuing but I was never really an "in character" poster until recently-ish no, I'm not saber Irish but I don't entirely think WtA has the same character RP potential vampire has as it's pretty damn alien and BSD/alt posting seems to be popular. I think if we're clear that we're running a temporary RP we'll have more anons engaging as Woofs rather than Magies and Wagies tho which is sort of my hope for Hunter. Your occasional anon poster being something else is fine but I think gwnet should have stayed mainly WtA like schreck stays mostly VtM. Just my two cents, idk why we needed an RP thread when the original RP was just a funny horny shitpost and some meme responses and elaborations
>>97046817And sort of to clarify, I think Pentex rp is unique enough but when we're delving into Mage for at least 20-25% of the thread it does feel a bit detailed though I enjoyed the mage posters for the most part
>>97046817>idk why we needed an RPWe didn't. A butthurt anon threw it together and thought we'd all clap and pat him on the back for his "containment" thread. He was ignored.Cause you're right, there wasn't enough to warrant it. The Hunter talk kinda has me interested, I wonder how anons'll hammer it out.
>>97046693If we go back to having to wade through a deluge of RP spam in order to have conversations in this general, it will return.
>>97046817I am Irish Seibah
>>97046829I only posted as a mage because I remember the idea that became a part of Fox Catcher's plotline involved someone replying as a Syndicate mage getting upset that SPD's project got hit. I agree with the shitpost part, I just had to argue with the traditions like a true technocrat
>>97046857Hopefully we could iron out the details over a couple of threads as I enjoyed the RP, I figured Hunter and Mage would be the next most popular ones but Mage I think is prone to more antagonism like Werewolf between Nephandi posters, Traditionalists, and the Technocrats>>97046868>One anon makes a funny joke about le clueless Red Talon getting seduced by a witch and a few anons engage for a day is somehow enough for a delugeI see your point, but it was a bit excessive
>>97045872>This is a pretty interesting ideaBy all means, use it. I could even play the role of OP, though I'd prefer not to as I have a lot on my plate. I'd also want to double check that there's actual interest in a Hunter RP thread.
>>97046889 I am banal DE man
>>97046889I had figured somewhat though I kind of enjoyed the character briefly. Surprised me how the "in character" RP was what I assume to be mostly silver fang anon posting and pretty much no Glass Walkers, Fianna, or Bone Gnawers, never mind the natives>>97046892This is kind of based, but I do think it partially invited a lot of mage-ish posters.Speaking of, and I hope he's here OOC, Crimson guy was definitely a Tremere right? Or is this the case of similar names? I miss the duck spirit and science icarna though, they were unique
V:TM question:As an antagonist group how would you feel about a sabbat pack where each member is some sort of subversive both in terms of their motivations but also their actions.So the enemy group would consist of:A malkvanian follower of Vasantasena/An avowed sabbat loyalists who is digging up dirt on the local court and either leaks it or blackmails people. If he can be convinced that you are closer to the loyalist vision than what the bishop intends he could either serve momentarily as a double agent, or he could leave the conflict for the moment.A character who I'm waffling between making a cleopatra nosferatu or a toreador who ended up in the sabbat by default due to her sire, she is running around acting like a confused new childe too naive to really get the game while spreading rumors and turning people against one another. She doesn't give a shit about the sabbat and will turn on it if her safety is guaranteed and she can end up in a better position than she would if the city fell. And a Lasombra who is going to start murdering anyone who can actually put up a fight and framing other factions. They are a full on Dark Angel internalist and if they hear someone has knowledge of this they will beeline to cover it up abandoning the mission entirely to do so. Direct attempts at black mail won't work.
>>97046953My NWO contact confirms your suspicion based on what was posted on /shreck/
>>97046953>spoiler I wish we got someone posting as a The Machine or The Patriarch. I'd be funny to see some incarna infighting
>>97046947Perhaps I could OP it over a relatively lengthy weekend like Thanksgiving if there's enough interest, though likely december may be the best as gwnet is a bit recent and I don't want to clog up the board or interest until maybe some anons have thought about it>>97046951Sunday Friend posting was funny in response to a Fianna
>>97045245I will take a look.
>>97046931You know that there was more than that and you're operating in bad faith and being disingenuous by pretending otherwise. Just look at the old threads in the archives.
>>97046971I somewhat figured, just didn't want to be antagonistic openly as I felt that was sort of stopping the posters>>97046987>spoilerYeah, would have been pretty neat
>>97047006There wasn't. Not enough to be called a deluge and not enough to warrant a thread.
>>97047006I did say engage for a day, you may have a point that it was too much when it happened, yet I'll still think an entire thread just encouraged more RP that would have stopped by itself eventually. It was fundamentally just a guy making a decent character piece and then some anons like me engaging with it. You're allowed to think it was excessive RP don't get me wrong
>>97046963This is an interesting idea. It's your plot to do what you want with it but I like the subversive villain approach that feels more in like with a politics-lite game like VtM. I think you should balance it with some guys played straight but turning antagonists to your side or non violently can work very well like with Arcanum. I don't expect any actual Sabbat members can ever be redeemed from being villains though unless they were forced into it
>>97045316To be fair all it took to elevate that mechanics was a better hook for each cult, something WoD provides by the truckload.
>>97046953I am also the Shark rper, thing is is that I felt like I've said mostly everything I have to rp about with vampiric society. Which is why I'm not posting often (plus a job with no access to this site during the week). For now I can only talk about what's happening in the games I participate in each Sunday. I don't have much new material.Got a bit more juice in me with werewolf, but I also haven't played much of any other splat. 2-3 sessions of WTA, and 4-6 Hunters Hunted. Though I also like to make character concepts, which is how I came up with my characters in rp. Guess I'll have to do the same homework for other splats.>>97046951Oh neat to see you here!
>>97047052Making the sabbat just a bunch of rampaging goons didn't feel like sometging i could make very interesting for long. So i thought i should focus on them as a subtler force. But then I had the idea that they should also themselves be able to be defeated by similar tools.>I think you should balance it with some guys played straight but turning antagonists to your side or non violently can work very well like with ArcanumCould you elaborate on this. Do you mean i should also have some shovelheads/non subtle actors, serving either as distraction or as a main force whole the planned character serve as a fifth column, or so you mean that i should also have some sabbat opponents who are fully in the tank for the sabbat objective?>I don't expect any actual Sabbat members can ever be redeemed from being villains though unless they were forced into itThe plan is rrally for the malkvian to be the closest to a "good guy" of the 3, but they're a "good guy" in the sense of being totally dedicated to the founding ideals of the sabbat. So down with the masquerade, no blood bonds, no elders, all sheriffs are bastards.
>>97047165>4-6 Hunters HuntedMythical Hunters Hunted player, it seems we only have Vigil hunters here
>>97047179I mean tbf at the tier 1 level there's basically 0 difference between Hunters Hunted and Vigil.
>>97045316Loresheets are different in that theyre worse.Not as a mechanic, but in that you get less bang for your buck. (This can be a good or a bad thing)Like if i have 5 ranks in a mystery cult, I get the benefit of dot 1, dot 2, dot 3, dot 4 and dot 5. Whereas each level of a loresheet has to be bought individually. On top of this there were many group statuses and mystery cults that gave you more dots than you put in. So the third rank of a mystery cult might give you four dots of merits in other stuff. I don't think a single lore sheet gives you a deal on dots.
>>97047239>individually boughtDoes anyone enforce that? Sounds weird to follow that considering the loresheet's significance
>>97047165There should be plenty of time to do homework on it anyway but don't worry, I don't expect anyone to have played Wraith or something. Neat to see though, sorry you joined so late>>97047174Sabbat shovelheads often are just rampaging goons, no shame in having fodder antagonists sometimes but I also mean dudes that are straight up just villains with who attempts to reason with or set up will end in failureThis can be>Clueless shovelheads>Baali>A Nephandus, Lasombra, or Tzimisces elderBoth in that you shouldn't let your sympathetic sabbat be the only antagonistic force to a coterie but also in that everyone has goons, henchmen, and ideologues so high on their own supply they don't fully understand what's happening. Take Breaking Bad for instance, just as easily as Gus was a sympathetic and reasonable antagonist, Tuco was fucking insane and the neonazi clan was so out there in their greed and ideas that Walter never had a chance to reach common ground with them despite multiple attemptsNot to say that you MUST have a Breaking Bad tier narrative but it's more interesting to have multiple perspectives
>>97047252Theoretically they're a set of independent merits based on a common theme. But is that a common houserule? I made my players take each one individually and am second-guessing.
>>97047179imbued chads where you at
>>97047179HH is just oWoD Vigil anyway.
>>97047306Dead and buried, the watchers are looking for fresh meat for the grinder.
>>97047266It's a pretty common houserule because a lot of them are framed similarly to ranks of initiation and because a lot of them hust give you a smaller amount of dots in other merits which you would never take except as a stepping stone (Why would I take a 4 dot merits that gives me 3 dots of another merits with strings attached)
>>97047196Except which system you're using, and a better set of ST tools in the latter.
>>97047266Outside of loresheets connected to individuals, most of them read more as rank ups for an organization your character was/became a part of.
>>97047354In some cases it doesn't even make sense you would obtain the higher ranks without the lower ranks, but there are also a couple where ranks 1-3 are different ranks of the organisation and then rank 5 is that you are an ardent enemy of the group or something.
>>97047319It's so over.
>>97047368Right, yeah. Like some are suited to only go to three because they're not more than story minion organizations. I remember the one about the Chicago Fire frames you as a historian of the city. Then at five, no you are one of the architects of the fire.
new /gwnet/ thread>>97047440>>97047440>>97047440
>>97047447Hey, kill yourself. We didn't need another
>>97047382It has been for far too long. Yet here we are.
>>97047473Then just don't post in it. Starve the shit-stirrer out and he'll give up.
>>97047447Friend, I respect it but it may be best we let it stay buried for a short while while we recharge the creative juices
>>97047473>>97047510FWIW I'm the OP of this thread and that guy's not me.
>>97047447I want to join but people seems against it… and so far there are no replies
>>97047447We ran out of steam, it's pointless to make a new one.
>>97047708Like the anon >>97047724 said I think we just sort of ran out of steam and all, we basically had about 4-5 posters down from what I assume is 15-20ish when the thread got freshly made and ultimately the RP got a bit bitter and off topic . I don't mind a revisit to gwnet again but maybe later down the road so that more anons can plan out a character or something instead of anon offtopic posting being 30-50% of a thread
>>97047838It'd be hard to get people to actually post as the intended splat since that would require some knowledge about WtA. Sure, you're gonna get quality posts like Fox Catcher or 2 cocks but anons here like to meme on woofs.
>>97047870True yeah I'm so pleased I came up with that name though this is why I postured the idea of an RP thread ahead of time. Fundamentally, a lot harder to Werewolf post than hunter post because of how weird Garou culture and WtA is. The only comparable thing is maybe Mummies being the only other splat that presumes you know the lore except for the pseudo-mummy edition
>>97047870Unfortunately I know so little about WTA. Or rather only the broad lines, which in my case I usually am really into the details. I definitely have to do homework, because for now my wolf of Tír na nÓg is as far as a deep dive in other splats as I have done
What does WoDG think of Home Safety Hotline?https://youtu.be/1B08V9NPdrg
>>97047870One of my issues happens on schreck too, the "omniscient audience" who has read all the books & knows the exact truth of everything. No one wants to be "wrong" or willing to make up bad information from their characters perspective. Like the salubri discussion in the werewolf thread. Everyone's an expert. People need to just go on vibes a bit, they need to understand their character isn't supposed to be perfect. You can't "win" RP & everyone shouting down people & using absolute knowledge makes for bad RP>>97046817Sorry for RPing a BSD, I did try to make something beyond the usual "fuck-murder-die" wyrmfreak. If it matters I'm willing to make a different character>>97046953This is what I'm talking about with "omniscient audience". Even if the guy was a Tremere Stolen Moon, what does it matter? You can't prove it, & once you guys had that idea in your head you tried to shut out one of the few posters we had . Wouldn't have been more interesting to engage with it than to tell him to fuck off? Plus he was talking about surfing with Bone Gnawers so I'd say it was just a unfortunately similar name.
>>97047950i vaguely remember playing this or something like it a while back. enjoyed it but also had a kinda goofy corporate vibe to it iirc that i felt whatever about
>>97047950iirc There's a game like this about catching a serial killer or a cryptid which would go pretty cool with wod
>>97047987>omniscient audienceyeah that's just bad rp :\
>>97047987The salubri felt kind of reasonable at first.Unfortunately as a kind of general question it reaches its natural conclusion of>vamps aren't good because they're vampsKinda hits the area BSD get unless you wanna set up a two-bit mystery about the lick like the setite Crimson could've been handled better, I'll agree.
>>97047987To be more clear, I don't dislike BSD posting but I think it leads naturally to a sort of antagonistic debate that I feel isn't terribly good for keeping posters engaged. I didn't mind the Stolen Moon Tremmy either funny as it was but I think that's just the nature of the setting. True you can't really win and shouldn't try to win RP rather than share some cool stories you cooked up or roleplay.I just think this is more of an issue with WtAIn character, I'm supposed to be hating on Black Spiral Dancers for breathing air, though obviously I shouldn't go out of my way to go>Fuck off and die you wyrm-tainted messGarou kind of antagonize each other tooMaybe it's more the nature that doing woof rp was kind of new so some errors were made, who can really say
>>97048054nta but I was going to Reiner-post and go like>I've been a BSD all alongat some point
>>97048068All three serious anons woulda probably have to roll rage at that reveal.
>>97048023I feel as if I fell into that a few times like when I said Tremere backstab Tremere but I generally tried to just be in character. It is pretty bad RP though
>>97047902What name?
>>97048119 I posted the Johnny Two-Cocks randomly in response to some RP though I'm not going to take entire credit for it since it was based around the anon's character concept >>97048079That would be kino
>>97048151 suppose I should clarify I'm not the guy posting as a character, I just posted the name a couple threads back though on a serious note maybe we've discussed the RP a bit much
>>97048151It was a good name for a character, I thank you for it. Hell I'm thinking about stating him up for a game
>>97048151And it all started with some red tallon getting seduced by a witch...
>>97048623You let us know how it goes
So I've been reading the Mummy books (to see if theres a niche i can make for DC Mummies) & read something in the asian Mummy powers. They see the Umbra as Yang & the Shadowlands as Yin. Spirit world is the Wyld & the Shadowlands is the Wyrm. Does WtA have much in the way of Shadowlands wyrm connections? They mostly seem to deal with spirit banes
>>97048832Mummy has a lot more overlap with Wraith because of the Kingdom of Sand than WtA has I think. Maybe you can spin the Orpheus project as a Wyrm plot
so what IS Grandmother?
>>97049033A hole in reality leading to the Abyss
>>97049033>>97049098Isn't she kinda like the Darkness from the hit shooter RPG the Darkness basically a primordial void before God turned on the lights
Drawfag here, some people wanted me to draw Black Spiral, so I threw together a little sketch to try and dream up some nasty designs. I wanted to emphasize here that Black Spiral Dancers are sick, ill and unhealthy, yet still filled with boundless blasphemous energy and lust. And I also went with a skinnier frame, to show that they're also "cheaper", and not as individually powerful as a true Garou, due in part to them being sickly and fed on foul and rotting foodstuffs, but also because they are produced quickly and with no regards for making well-bred offspring.
So are the bsd just like fallout raiders doing drugs and hoodrat shit since the world ended and they're stronger than anyone else?
>>97049228No, they're more like extremely inbred mutant werewolves who live in Hell, and only occasionally venture out on a spiritual quest to rape the Universe itself. Making everyone's lives miserable is a religious duty to them, as in indulging in their wildest impulses. Some have more self-control than others, but all of them are sick fucks not JUST because they enjoy it, but because it pleases their god.Whatever depraved nightmare you can imagine, they do it. They aren't hoodrats, they're basically all maximally perverse murderers, it's just that many of them spend much or ALL of their lives in their "hives". The ones that go on missions beyond the Hive are the strongest and most ferociously dedicated to the Wyrm, or to their Hive/Pentex, or to themselves(the differences matter little, the Wyrm is pleased regardless).
>>97049206This looks like some Slaaneshi creature, I like it>>97049228As of W5 they're basically just partying and seething because they won but the Garou don't give up
>>97049262>A pack of Scots go into the Wyrm's butthole>Come out retarded, angry, Nietzsche-pilled but not in a good way, and gay deneratesWhat did White Wolf mean by this?
>>97049262That's bullshit, they're the only sane werewolves in the setting, who recognise the reality that Gaia is broken and in dire need of a reset. They recognise that the Wyrm isn't some sort of great Satan, but a very necessary destroyer who needs to be freed from its cosmic cage. Without the Wyrm, Gaia has been allowed to become a perverse and convoluted mess and canonically, the outcome of freeing the Wyrm is not the annihilation of reality, but the reset of the world to a healthier, more sane and sensible state. The Wyrm is the good guy, the Black Spiral Dancers are right and the Garou Nation is undeniably, absolutely retarded for trying to oppose them.
>>97049401Thanks!>>97049409What I personally think broke them finally was not simply being devoured and spat out by the Wyrm, but emerging from the Labyrinth to see that their sibling Tribes that had abandoned them also had looted their treasures and the kinfolk that still remained.>>97049419The most mentally retarded headcanon I ever read, unless you're doing some kind of silly RP. The Black Spiral Dancers are evil because the Wyrm made them that way. It's that simple. The Wyrm is no longer the Destroyer but the Corruptor, it's also that simple. If you can't handle those basic facts, I don't know what to tell you.
>>97049136Yes. She's also rather kind once you get to talk to her
>>97049433Canon-rejecting retard detected. The Black Spiral Dancers are fully aware of the Wyrm's true nature as the bringer of balance and the destroyer of excess, hence their desire to free him and their knowledge that his madness will cease to be as soon as he's free. Read ToJ, the Garou Nation is, has always been and will always be wrong and retarded in every way, while the Black Spiral Dancers have embraced the truth.
>>97049453Be more wrong you dumb fuck.
>>97049433>get vored by the Wyrm>somehow, they actually retain that Scottish Nobility™>see their "brethren" looted their empty house, stole their family, neglected their petJustified crash out I suppose>>97049419The Wyrm winning having ONE good ending out of a list that includes>World sucks lol Earth is rotting eat the sloppabecause a group of competent Garou manage to fix it is not indicative of the Wyrm being a good guy, neither is the weaver one or the makeup ending.WtA has no real good guys, just doomers and bloomers, neither of which are particularly moral or care about humanity
>>97049453>canon-rejector>cites a choose-your-own-canon bookWhy is it that Wyrm-revisers always cite that one single book (I'm assuming you're only using the Apocalypse book) as a "source" when each of the scenarios isn't actually canon unless the ST says so? When all of the existing sourcebooks that ARE canon directly contradict it? Do you seriously read any of the Books of the Wyrm and take away anything other than "yep, these guys are evil sick fucks and they are the villains of the splat".>>97049469>Justified crash out I supposeI see it more like they came out wild and confused and corrupt, but what finally made them lose all hope and truly embrace the Wyrm was seeing that their betrayal was complete.
>>97049453The Wyrm has been unsalvageably insane after the Weaver pulled out the bondage card
>>97049453>He cares about oWoD "canon"Truly, the most loathsome beast of all.
>>97049475Only one of those endings involves the liberation of the Wyrm like the Black Spiral Dancers advocate.>>97049476Absolutely wrong, read ToJ. Freeing the Wyrm shatters the insanity and resets Gaia to a better, brighter state.The Garou Nation were always wrong, that's the cherry on top of their retardation. They have always, always, always been fighting for the wrong cause. If they just fought to free the Wyrm, they could have brought about true balance ages ago. Instead, they just prolong Gaia's suffering. Truly retarded.
>>97049491Cite literally a single source outside of the choose-your-own-canon book in which the ONLY pro-Wyrm scenario is one where the Garou (somehow) team up with the Black Spirals and fix hte Wyrm before letting it out of the cage, in whic the Wyrm is a "good guy". I really would love to see you do that. >that's the cherry on top of their retardation.I really gotta wonder why pro-wyrm readers always seem to have a huge chip on their shoulders over the Garou. It's always intense seethe, when the obvious reading of the splatbooks as a whole clearly SAY how the Wyrm is evil and insane and has been for a very long time. Where the hell do you think the Triatic Wyrm comes from? Gaia?
>>97049491>only one choose your own apocalypse>it's real and Canon! Why does no one know!!It's fake. Actual Canon involves decimating the Wyrm down to baby size. Something the BSD won't ever do.
>>97049491I feel like resetting Gaia literally only works out for the most idealogue Garou and absolutely no one else, it's like resetting to factory conditions just so it happens again when Mother-chan and Wyrmbro get bored again
>>97049504I take offense to this. I think the BSD & the Wyrm can be cool & nuanced without choosing a side about who is "right" or "wrong"
>>97049504>I really gotta wonder why pro-wyrm readers always seem to have a huge chip on their shoulders over the Garou.You have to be even more retarded than the Garou if you're trying to tell me that the Garou are not retarded.>Where the hell do you think the Triatic Wyrm comes from?Caused by the madness imposed by the Weaver's imprisonment of the Wyrm, it's not the natural state of the Wyrm. The natural state of the Wyrm is the Balance Wyrm, which the Wyrm returns to when it is freed.>>97049505>Actual Canon involves decimating the Wyrm down to baby size.That's just the culling of the avatars that it manifests to try and free itself during the Apocalypse. The Wyrm doesn't break free in any ToJ scenarios in which the Garou win, except for one, in which he saves Gaia by pressing the reset button, as he was always meant to.Read the fucking books.
>>97049566Evil can be plenty nuanced. Just because something is evil doesn't mean it can't be complex. In fact, complex evil is terrifying in its own right. But the Garou and Fera are "right" insofar as the Wyrm is a force of evil and has been for a long time. >>97049569Yes, I am telling you the Garou are not retarded. Let me guess, you think the Garou started the War of Rage, yeah? You don't know about Vinata, do you?>Caused by the madness imposed by the Weaver's imprisonment of the Wyrm, it's not the natural state of the WyrmYes, I never said that wasn't the case. The Wyrm went insane. And is now a monstrosity and a living disease on the Universe. > which the Wyrm returns to when it is freedAccording to ONE SINGLE scenario in a book that isn't canonical, but only contains "what-if's". Cite ANYTHING else that says "if you free the Wyrm it automatically will return to it's primordial state and save the Universe."Go ahead, try. Just for fun.
>>97049569You're the one having a BSD fit about your oh so precious annihilation analogue. No one wins in annihilation.
>>97049566They'd have to be treated in a manner where the wyrm isn't the end of universe from the get-go
>>97049579>Yes, I am telling you the Garou are not retarded.Everyone, laugh at him. I don't need to read another word of your post to know that you're not worth taking seriously.>>97049580Considering how shit the World of Darkness is and how retarded the Garou Nation are, pressing the reset button is the only right thing to do. Liberating the Wyrm is the only right thing to do and the Black Spiral Dancer are the secret good guys of WtA, hidden beneath a coat of edgy paint.
Guys I'm pretty sure this is the troll being pissy now that his weird separatist general shit isn't bringing in the same numbers as usual.Woofoids please stop taking his bait.
>>97049590This is what I mean about you having a chip on your shoulder. Why? I don't see this in really any other Splat. You guys also never say "Pentex is actually the good guys!", even though they are exactly as evil as the Black Spirals, and DIRECTLY serve the Defiler Wyrm.This is what I mean about you types not actually paying attention to the actual canon splatbooks, and purely focusing on one section in one choose-your-own-adventure book where your what-if scenario is entertained.>>97049599Who, the anon I'm responding to?
>>97049604Yes. Ever since he realized WtA gets the most (you)s, he's been hammering it like mad.
>>97049604Yes the one you're responding too. He gets absolutely assblasted and devolves into rants about Garou being retarded. It's the wyrm-infestation I fear.
>>97049613Oh. Well that's irritating. Thanks for the bait alert though, fren.>>97049616Wyrm-bait. You hate to see it!
>>97049566Is this Jonathan One-Dick right before the Amenti and Fae girl got got>>97049585Pretty much the main problem with framing the Wyrm as something that can be redeemed or useful is you have to jump through a billion hoops for why normally rather hardheaded Garou would ever listen to lunatics enough to know the deep lore>>97049590>How shit World of Darkness isbut what makes you think the nanosecond Gaia is back to 100% it's not just going to repeat in a cycle?This is like>Oh but what if my Mage ascends and fixes all the problems before splitting back into normalAre there still Mages? Is God now (you) going to be in a prolonged trolling match with Caine? You're basically just passing along the torch to WoD2 to be just as shitty
>>97049604>you never hear anyone say "Pentex is actually the good guy"No, but you hear on here that Pentex is based every now and then>>97049613Wait until he read MtA
>>97049579>>97049585The Wyrm could be healed or reset maybe. I never read the ToJ, so I won't comment on that, if you can bludgeoning the Wyvr i to listening you should be able to beat the wyrm into compliance. The Wyrm is natural & supposed to destroy stuff, but it's not allowed to do it's job right. It's not it's fault & there have to be more solutions than hating it. The garou are just completely unbalanced. They largely because the world, Gaia, & the garou are simpatico with the Triat. There's too much hidebound adherence & static stagnation, there's too much corruption & destruction, & not enough understanding & empathy. Whether this is influenced from the top down or the bottom up is up to you I guess. But I don't like slapping a big [Evil Only] sticker on the wyrm
>>97049604Because Pentex aren't the good guys, it's a cabal of self-interested humans trying to bring about the Apocalypse out of the delusion that they would be the god-kings of the ruined world. Black Spiral Dancers discovered the truth in the Spiral and through enlightened madness, learned that the only good ending for the World of Darkness comes through the liberation of the Wyrm, that it's not a true Apocalypse but a great reset for Gaia. Pentex serve the insane avatars of the Wyrm, the Black Spiral Dancers serve the true nature of the Wyrm, the Balance Wyrm, hidden at the heart of the Spiral.>>97049623>but what makes you think the nanosecond Gaia is back to 100% it's not just going to repeat in a cycle?Because this time, the Wyrm is free, the Weaver is weakened and there's nothing supernatural to fuck anything up. Balance is restored, lessons have been learned and Gaia is free to try again and do better this time.
>>97049627He did. I'm convinced he was one half, if not both halves, of that retarded technocracy debate a while back. His usual MO is to throw out a ton of low effort bait until he gets a hit, then he starting hammering down on the most incendiary arguments within whatever splat got the hit.
>>97049637What causes this kind of autism?
>>97049627>No, but you hear on here that Pentex is based every now and thenLet's be honest, everyone would rather play a Pentex game about killing werewolves, despoiling the planet, raping society and making lots of money than play WtA. There's only so much appeal in playing a retarded werewolf, or a retard wrangler werewolf if you insist on playing a special snowflake werewolf with an IQ higher than 80.
>>97049628That's great you like nuance unfortunately you're doing a lot of that leg work yourself to get that point across. Most everyone that wants to flesh out the triat have to do that because Woof the Awooing is so combat heavy. You know the irony of the setting where the expected action isn't the right one.
>>97049627>you hear Pentex is based80% of the time those are tertiaries that can't think beyond the minute they post
>>97049645Pentex game idea can be interesting but I think there's limited appeal in being a corpo sellout unless you have a unique premise to maintain the individualism that's core to the TTRPG hobby like with Orpheus or Vigil. Also>retarded WerewolfSorry friend, that's just not the case. You'd know it if you'd try to read through the books. I'm aware this is a (you) but the Garou are more like honorable warriors in a fight doomed from the start by factors outside of their control, much like a samurai fighting impossible odds because their feudal lord's father was slain by another 20 years ago. Yeah they're angry and stuff, and sometimes they make bad choices, but that's nearly every splat in the series>>97049637I feel strangely like MtA should get a lot more attention seeing as how it's many an anons' favorite
>>97049628>>97049647Indeed, nta but I love nuance and 95% of the time I'm putting in like an extra hour or two of legwork to try to make a character seem like a sympathetic monster rather than just>le bad Though absolutely you need to have some total POS in the setting, thankfully this is Pentex in WtA as opposed to the Wyrm in itself or the BSD or Cult despite BSD being more like Nephandi
>>97049629>This time the Wyrm is free and the Weaver is weakened and there's nothing supernatural to fuck anything upThis depends purely on how much of the shared cosmology you're willing to be using but even if you aren't I don't really see balance being possible without an extra force to serve as a balance. Seeing as how Gaia is about as hands-off as a parent as it gets it just seems like the cyclical ending to me
>>97049623I never thought that far about the character. I just wanted to offer more Biker Garou without being directly associated with Johnny & Wyrm stuff. Maybe this is just Johnathan & his Wyld Hog before he began his journey to become the Trimestiphallus>>97049647>>97049669I don't disagree but i think I'm gonna duck out of this argument. I don't want to be on the same "side" as this troll, cause I don't agree with him & he's being pretty hostile
>>97049663>Sorry friend, that's just not the case.So, let's lay out all of the crimes of the Garou.>They were responsible for the Impergium, for the genocide and slaughter and rape of billions of humans throughout history, for so long that terror of werewolves got imbedded in the genetic memory of humans.>This violence against the Weaver's chosen children is what drove the Weaver insane and caused her to imprison the Wyrm, and also what drove humanity to kickstart civilisation in the first place, so the Garou's fear of the Apocalypse was a self-fulfilling prophecy from the start.>They slaughtered the majority of the other Fera in the world, preventing them from fixing the damage that the Garou had caused and dooming Gaia to a slow decline into the fucking horror show that the World of Darkness would eventually become.>They devolved into infighting and constantly sabotaging each other's efforts to stop the Apocalypse that they had unwittingly started, to the point where there's no historical victories against the Wyrm, only a long string of self-inflicted defeats.>Even with the world on the brink of the Apocalypse in the 21st century, they still find the concept of working together to try and stop it almost impossible. WtA as a game revolves around playing the rare sane Garou who proposes revolutionary ideas like not solving every problem with "rape and kill all humans."You're really going to tell me that the Garou aren't retards?
>>97049689One last Pic though
>>97049663MtA just kind of devolves into syndicate emulation if it's not a pissing match between marauders that think they're mages. There should be more Big Owl love.
>>97049663What's there to say about MtA? Everything you could say about it is self-explanatory. The Technocracy are the good guys, while the Traditions are just slightly more sane Marauders. It continues the tradition of the primary bad guys of the splat actually being the good guys fighting the good guys. Sabbat for Vampire, Black Spiral Dancers for Werewolf, Technocracy for Mage and so on.
>>97049689>>97049696Fair enough yeah, thanks for contributing overall and be seeing you>>97049698Maybe the whole philosophical/theological debate aspects of Mage just don't really belong here>>97049695Against my better judgement and as my last (you)>The ImpergiumPretty much a desperation move by the Garou who have (thanks to Gaia) supernatural anger over shit going wrong that they can't exactly control>WeaverDepending on the book or interpretation she was insane before the impergium even happened, she just decided to start buffing humanity much more so after it did>War of Rage5 man sabotage attempt between many different breeds of Dickish Shapeshifters and the Wyrm>Infighting>Can't work togetherThat's not really a direct result of them being the way they are but rather>Wyrmish fuckery>Gaia being a Caine-tier parent>Weaver fuckery>Other Shapeshifters being a That Guy>Half of the Werewolves can't agree on which particular sets of laws are the most importantIt's easy to point at spooks when you're quite literally haunted by spooks throughout your entire oral history. Yes, they're not the most competent but if you compare them to every other splat you'll find that the amount of ball dropping happening is about equal, it's just a lot funnier to point at the Garou>Vampires have ruled for over 6000 years and still fear humanity>Mages keep taking L after L between the consensus, Tremere, etc>Wraiths lol
>>97049717>The Technocracy are the good guys>Tradition of the primary bad guys actually being the good guysHold your horses there, the Technocracy might be the "good guy" in so far as they want to enslave you in a setting you're more used to as a permanent employee of a 9-5 office, but they're certainly not looking out for humanity overall
>>97049748Be strong. Don't fall for nephandi bait no matter the form
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Found a crazy power of the Meso Mummies. Drink the Moche, let's them steal abilities & attributes of other people & I'm pretty sure it's permanent & I think it stacks so you could drain a few points here & there.Another cool one is Mold the Body, which replaces a wound or missing body part with clay. I'm wondering if theoretically, an enterprising Koldun could copy the Hekau into a Koldum Ritual so they could carry some home soil with them by patching up a wound?
>>97049777You'd probably have to make a convincing argument that a way of the earth koldun could grasp the theory behind it. I can't rightly remember if hekau could be a sorcery path, seems a little overpowered for it as an option which would deny that possible route.
>>97049627>but you hear on here that Pentex is basedAll me btw
while I think reality hacking > we live in the worst timeline I can't help but prefer atlantis as the origin or mages and not dealing with the metaplot and it being a horror game.
