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What is the status of Camacho's Caballeros in the ilClan era?
I was asking if you play BT in settings other than the official one. Not if you play other games.
These little shits fly 5 spaces from a building into your mech's square. They have a +4 TMM, +2 (BA/VTOL). They decide to buzz around the mech and fire their flamenwerffers.So to resolve the attacks for a 3 man squad, it should be:>roll on the cluster hits table once for 6 flamersor>roll on the cluster hits table twice, for 3 flamers eachWhich way can you jew it for maximum effect?Also, if the mech is in light woods, do both the BA and the Mech have intervening terrain if they're both in the same hex?
>>97041578You can check sarna yourself?
Was there ever a single-shot disposable Arrow IV platform? Something like the actual Davy Crockett nuclear mortar they put on a Jeep in the 60s.
>>97041834Like the ones launched from aerospace fighters?
>>97041916That could probably be used to model what I'm after. Thanks.
>>97041834ASFs can carry Arrow IVs externally, occupying bomb slots.
>>97041970Nothing that doesn't require bomb slots though?
The new ASF playtest rules are cool. I think the "destroy check" is gay, but I like the simplicity of them.
>>97041998Not that I'm aware of.>I think the "destroy check" is gay, but I like the simplicity of them.Not familiar with the new rules; what makes that gayer than current lawndart checks?
>>97042220If it's the same as the asset tanks, rather than track damage you just roll to see if it's blown up with increasing modifiers for the number of times its been hit overall. Tougher units need a higher base target.
>>97042233Oh, so it's a further level of abstraction to make ASFs stop being units and start being support cards or whatever.I see the advantage, I guess, but I don't really understand the idea of this (and the vees). Like, if you don't want to play with combined arms, then just...don't. Artillery can be abstracted away. The rest...?
>>97042308Attempting to do combined arms is difficult in mech games since mechs don't really have a place in real warfare and narratively in most mech settings they're literally just there to be "the best" weapon. So it's easier to include non-mechs if you abstract them out in some way.
>>97042220>Not familiar with the new rules; what makes that gayer than current lawndart checks?>>97042233My main issue is exactly that. Just give them like, 20 hit points or something, don't make it a gay "5+, all or nothing" kinda roll.
>>97042336Just ignore the new rules if you don't like them and run ASF like normal. This isnt hard.
How do you usually mount air units on bases?
>>97042794Don't the minis come with little plastic stand thingies?
>>97042794>>97042808Most air units come with a base and stand. Some like the Karnov do not but the aerospace and such do.
>>97042808>>97042829I'm looking at the old metal minis, I was wondering if I should use the metal stands or if there's a clear plastic stand that's better to use for aesthetic purposes
>>97042875Other manufacturers have clear plastic stands, most of them are just clear rods. It's always visible to some extent.
I know I'm supposed to hate Capellans, but it looks like they're selling Shen Longs and Ying Longs to mercs by ilClan. How can I hate a house that's willing to sell mimetic armor?
>>97042875The wires are less obtrusive than the acrylic stands. Just look at the classics vs the DA minis.
>>97042992>How can I hate a house that's willing to sell mimetic armor?The same way you can hate Stoners who did the same thing?
>>97043007The Taranis is listed as being available, but looking at various RATs to get an idea on how "willing" they're actually willing to sell shows that it doesn't look like the Stoners actually care about selling it to mercs. Meanwhile, it looks like the Shen Long's being given out like candy to whoever can afford it in the rimward-antispinward space. The Ying Long's comparatively less available than the Shen Long, but it looks like it's still pretty available.
Will putting pelts, animal/monster skulls bits and stuffs on mechs look too out of place?
>>97043167In-lore, it's a bit eccentric but probably not a big deal as long as it isn't like a necklace of infant skulls or something.IRL I think most folks would think it was neat as long as you didn't get too extra.Nowadays I do wonder if you might cop some shit from someone who feels very strongly about Gothic though.
>>97043167Keep your retarded grimdark shit in 40k where it belongs.
>>97043167Only if the scale is off. Pic related is 1:300 scale humans. If you can get scale accurate cow skulls and shit, I think it'd be dope. That said, it'd be silly to strap animal trophies to a mech considering they get blown to hell and back all the time. The only people that would do it would be periphery pirates.>>97043530>implying rotating genocide isn't grim dark alreadyRelax.
>>97043530Aren't there freaking dragons and mega dinosaurs and shits in BT? Big game hunting with mechs sounds pretty plausible IMO
>>97043558>Big game hunting with mechs sounds pretty plausibleHave you ever heard of Hunter's Paradise?...
gun barrels and missile launcher plates: black or gunmetal?
>>97043558Dragons, kinda.Mega dinosaurs, definitely.
>>97043619Gunmetal is cool in theory, but I find black to just be consistently easier and generally better-looking.
>clanners decide to call their Lance equivalent a Star>make it consist of five Points>the clan symbol is a four pointed starWill always bother me
How are elementals differentiated from IS BA wearers in rules? They're still only allotted 1 ton each but somehow Elementals have a small laser, ap mount, srm2, and one more armor per model and come in at 980. Meanwhile IS has one small laser and one less armor, and come in at 990Is there anything that illustrates that elementals are 8 feet tall vs the completely average 6 foot tall is ba?
>>97043658The fifth point is the the center of the star; on the 3D coins it’s raised in the center, so I assume in-universe medals and logos are as well.
>>970436588 points, and it's based on the Cameron Star.
>>97043915I'm very into astronomy. Because I'm always looking for a big, fat dirt-star.
>>97043789The "somehow" is that the elementals have better suits and their tech people are better at miniaturization. The tech base differences for battle armor are explored in the Tech Manual. Clan battle armor suits also have better life support (only actually dead on 4 or lower if the enemy didn't use overwhelming force!)If you get into the RPG side of things, elementals will have much higher Body/Strength that freeborn operators can't get without living on a high G world, and will have some kind of toughness advantage by default as part of their phenotype package. They can survive a bit more personal scale damage; they might conceivably have a higher survival check on the casualty rolls in strategic play to differentiate mission kills from actual fatalities (not in the rules for those at present, but perhaps they might be eventually).
>>97044287>(not in the rules for those at present, but perhaps they might be eventually).Do you remember in MW2e and 3e where you needed to have certain minimum attribute requirements or else piloting battle armor turned your body into a giant bruise, broken bones optional?
>>97043789>completely averageIS BA troops tend to be on the larger end of normal. Instead of eugenic breeding the IS just has a vast population to recruit naturally occuring big fellas from.
>>97044320I remember hearing that the minimum required build for BA is basically someone who does a physical labor job, but then again that's the weakest build you'd probably want to put in BA
>>97041668You roll two to hit rolls. For each hit, you roll on the cluster three table.
>>97044334The minimum required build for BA is being in good shape.MW3e rules require that a BA pilot have STR and BOD of at least 6, which is "advanced" on a scale of 1 Impaired2 Terrible3 Poor4 Fair5 Good6 Advanced7 Remarkable8 Excellent9 Astounding10 UnbelievableNormal humans max out at 8 on this scale. So a 6 pretty high. Physical laborers could probably do it, or people who work out a good bit. Professional athletes, special forces, possibly regular infantry.
>>97042580running ASF "like normal" is a massive fucking chore though.
Which one of these is the Royal Black Watch tartan?https://www.ebay.com/itm/134713529230
>>97042324Even with mechs being "the best" there is nothing stopping you from making normal vehicles to be specialists that while lacking in many ways compared to a mech are still cheaper if you need to just fill a niche or want some padding. It's even how it works in BT - fuel cell/ICE tanks, vtols and etc. are perfectly viable, yes they do have a lot of disadvantages, but they are cheap and if built properly can be a real pain in the ass to deal with.Having "trash mobs" you can step on is also a good thing for mech games since it allows you to show properly how awesome they are.
>>97044383The one marked as Northwind Hussars. This is also the tartan of the IRL Royal Black Watch (but also the canon tartan used by the Black Watch in BT according to Legends).
>>97044396Thanks!
>>97042324>>97044395Heavy gear handles it just fine, so it sounds like a skill issue. Battletech is simply too complex to add more complexities on top without turning players off.Also that flyers always fucking suck in ground warfare tabletop games and treating them like assets is general an improvement.
>>97042324I wish people like you left the hobby. You bring absolutely nothing but grief and I wish a pox upon your family.
>>97042324Personally I prefer running 'mech on 'mech combat.I run tanks and hovercraft when playing a campaign GM or an OpFor for the sake of variety, but god DAMN do vehicles suck ass (with the few obvious exceptions), making them perfect to get ganked by 'mechs.The issue usually is that people wanting to run "Combined Arms" think they are a strategic genius for realizing that they can bring shit like "hidden infantry in heavy woods spotting for three LRM carriers" without realizing what an absolute fucking chore it is to play against, or bringing in a VTOL flying at the speed of mach fuck to drop infantry on top of an objective and patting themselves on the back for this "brilliant" strategy. But somehow they tend to have an issue with adding the rules for starting fires in the game or pre-plotting artillery fire into said objective or heavy woods hexes.
>>97044498>haha, i hid my infantry in the woods, I'm a tactical genius>the firestarter pilot, not even aware they're there, simply obeying the voices
>>97044498If they're taking CV for cheese they're going to be disappointed at any table. CV open up options at low remaining BV that would have otherwise just gone to a mediocre filler mech and can keep you from having to do weird reinforcement of correctly sized forces (or changing your variants arbitrarily to fit a BV number).That being said, VTOL commandos to do objectives is a solid plan as long as you also account for plan B if they all bite it (and support them properly with your meks).
>>97044498>or bringing in a VTOL flying at the speed of mach fuck to drop infantry on top of an objective and patting themselves on the back for this "brilliant" strategy.Just use a Fire Moth and a Star of Elementals.Side comment: I just looked up BV values for the Fire Moth, and while several configs are pretty reasonable (like the A, which is a good scout with BAP and TAG and weighs in at about 600), the Dark Age-era G config weighs in at 2,041.That's right, 20 tons with 4 iHMLs and a TarComp costs more than an Awesome.
>>9704455220 tons that can deal 25% more damage than an awesome and which can be anywhere it wants to be on a single mapsheet. First, you shouldn't be playing on more than 1 map anyway, and second, speed is the single most important thing in the game, since it lets you control positioning, so it's only right that Mech that's many times faster than an Awesome, and can do more damage than an Awesome, which is guaranteed to go into the rear arc of an enemy unit, should cost more than an Awesome. You just don't understand the game.
>>97044516>turn down the heat on your flamers, if you hear screaming then you know they're there>don't sweep the flamers too quickly, they might not ignite them fast enough>that boulder might be able to hide someone behind it, burn behind there too
>>97044498>but god DAMN do vehicles suck ass (with the few obvious exceptions), making them perfect to get ganked by 'mechs.With the way BT works, where you are mostly limited to canon designs, and 95% of canon vehicle designs being absolute goddamn shit, it's not surprising. And that's on top of all the default vehicle penalties they get compared to mechs. If you want to have fluffy nation specific forces on top of it you'll never be able to gather a force out of the few designs that actually work properly.
>>97042324I feel like for normal games having a GM with combined arms is the way to goThe people with mechs get to feel coolDoesn't have to be perfectly balancedWorks well for narrative stuff
>>97044383I've heard that defiance industries decals kinda suckLow resolution and no white inkAlso they seem to be stolen(?)Just as a FYI
>>97044518>If they're taking CV for cheese they're going to be disappointed at any table.??? Disappointed because nobody will want to play against them again, or are you implying that you can't cheese with CVs? Do you play the game?>>97044692It's more the "if you hit a Hovercraft from the side there's a 30% chance they'll just be immobilized immediately" kinda stuff. Great for making the players feel like Big Damn Heroes turning tanks to scrap with a GM, but feels bad if you're trying to have some sort of PvP thing going on. Unless abusing the cheapness of vehicles in the few situations where they fuck 'mechs over
>>97044810Re: hovercraft, they do have giant fucking inflatable skirts all around their edges.
>>97044810>It's more the "if you hit a Hovercraft from the side there's a 30% chance they'll just be immobilized immediately" kinda stuff.I don't think that's a problem. Hovercraft as a vehicle class has more than enough advantages to be worth it. Problem is mostly the designs itself that kinda suck balls. Outside of a few gems.
Is alphastrike any good? My friends are dumb and it's hard to find physical books for classic.
>>97041669NTA but doesn't /btg/ always go on about how inaccurate and unreliable Sarna is?
>>97045134
Alaric Ward is an incest baby
>>97045337Yes we do. For example, sarna says that Rubigen was in the FRR. It was not.
>>97045368
>>97045134Sarna is never as good as checking the source itself. Sarna, like all wikis, is good for finding the source(s).
>>97045368>ward
>>97045368Did Vlad know he was cucked?
>>97045372
Finished my dracs lance, judt need to seal in the gravel, very proud, on to the Davion lance!
>>97045729Good job anon
>>97045805Thank you
>Want to get Battlemech Manual>It's out of print>It's not even Used up on ebayaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>97046206New books next year, so I wouldn't expect any more print runs of TW or BMM.
How does stealth/imperfect-information work on the tabletop? By nature of playing at the same table, you can see everything your opponent is doing. Do you need some sort of elaborate setup where you have two tables in two different rooms with a GM telling you what you see?
>>97046289Double blind is a hell of a drug
>>97046289Pretty much, yeah. You don't need two tables, the GM can just have a diagram or spreadsheet or something, but it's still gonna be complicated. Double-blind is incredibly fun, but best done in megamek imo.
>>97046284Are the new rules already set in stone? Like, have they determined that side-hit-tables are gone? Or is it still being reviewed?
>>97046310Play testing is still in progress.
Been working on a sourcebook for /my dudes/, so tell me /btg/, what do you think makes a good sourcebook? What do you look for in terms of fluff, crunch, new TROs, etc.?
>>97046475>Orgins>Brief History of what they were doing in each era they were active in>Overview of Doctrine>a few notable engagements>Signature mechs>organisational breakdown>key people>Relations with some other factions
>>97043547I'm glad my image encouraged people to buy into adding people and cars to their dioramas. They just add so much to the image and scaling
>>97044810Is reading that hard for you? "You will be disappointed at any table." That means you'll be upset because things won't go the way you want them to.People won't want to play with you.Experienced players have easy solutions for vehicle spam.Adding one or two "broken" CVs to your list won't solve being an inexperienced or bad player.Running additional units can be tedious and experienced players won't let you cheat initiative with them.You know. There are so many reasons that listing them all seemed unnecessary. I'll leave the rest of them to your imagination if you can fucking find it. Some of you pick the stupidest fucking fights.
The bugs are back.
>>97047018Hell yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>97047018can you elaborate?
First round of shooting my Griffin takes a large laser to the face and his Wolverine takes a PPC to the face, two crits, two sensors out. Get Battletech'd.
>>97047018eager for rematch highlights
>>97047403LL's 8 dmg though. Wouldn't you have 1 armor left?
>>97047427>9 missile holeswhy
>>97047355Are you new here?Think...What's the name of that mech?
>>97047442what match?
>>97047430Yes, but it's still a round 1 headshot down to almost no armor.
How are the mechs used for a Trial of Position chosen? I know politics plays a role for some of them like how Katherine was given a Warhawk. But do we have any actual concrete details of how the whole process works in regards to mechs?
Wonder how buttmad Vlad would have been if Phelan somehow ended up with Katherine
>>97047579I think it depends strongly on the Clan in question, but based on the admittedly limited number of trials I've read or seen they normally seem to do the following:- The aspirant's mech is something they're familiar with from training; the trial's intention is to test the pilot on their ability to fight, not blindside them with new equipment- At least one mech in the trial is something of a softball, lower tonnage or having a glaring vulnerability to the aspirant's mech and loadout; It's not going to be easy pickings, but it's the low bar to hurdle to show your training stuck and you're not an idiot. - At least one mech in the trial is a peer threat, being able to take it out (especially in addition to the 'softball') shows not just competency, but talent; this lands you star commander and is about as high as they expect or want most aspirants to graduate their sibko- At least one mech in the trial is a superior opponent, intended as the backstop for the trial. At this point besting that mech demonstrates an exceptionalism that demands notice; you're no longer testing for being good material that can be further refined through duty and service, you're accounting for freak ability. Any further kills in a trial only go to further demonstrate this and so will either be equal or superior to the aspirant's mech.Some trials appear to be open season, while others are structured as sequential duels. In the latter case, the order is of gradually increasing difficulty. In the former, identifying your 'softball' mech appears to be an intended skill test, or at least a self-selecting criteria. A Mechwarrior that picks a fight in their trial with the meanest mech they see is once the failure for choosing the hardest option where there is no glory to be gained (after all, bigger mechs aren't worth more in the trial) and twice the failure if he loses.
>>97047686in smoke jaguar, beelining the dire wolf and ignoring the sensible mechs in your trial is actually a secret path to promotion, as you've shown you embody the ideals of belligerency and retardation that form the pillars of your clan
Centurion rear laser killed a heavily damaged Locust, clean through the center torso.
>>97047579Depends on the Clan.Phelan specifically tells us (and we see) that the Wolves like to plop you in a Dire Wolf and send you against bigger and bigger opponents, which means you have to be incompetent to not get at least one kill.
How official are the color schemes on the Legends books?
>>97048241it's a first party sourcebook, should be 100% unless there's an explicit fuckup
The Orange Crush have successfully raided and escaped a world protected by a Marik Militia detachment, stealing an indeterminate quantity of knockoff Space Jordans, Capellan fortune telling machines, and cans of imitation whale meat. Also probably some water filter parts and a replacement building scale fusion engine, but who cares about that?
Jesus help me
>>97048450I'm glad I still have my FASA stuff...
>>97048382>The Orange Crush have successfully raided and escaped a world protected by a Marik Militia detachment, Unfortunate but this will only ultimately strengthen the house>stealing an indeterminate quantity of knockoff Space Jordans, Those were slated for sale to the Lyran's!>Capellan fortune telling machines, In fairness those were already stolen from the Cappies>and cans of imitation whale meat.How dare you! That's our imitation WhaleMEAT!(TM) (All rights reserved. Not made with real meat. Marik Pseudo-Meats LLC is not responsible or liable for any illnesses or injuries induced by consumption or use of our products.)You've made a grave slight on the Free Worlds League. And once we get done dealing with another FWL House Militia Lance we'll go kick your asses
>>97048478Well, you're gonna have to build a new lance from salvage off that other lance first, since this one lost the Wolverine to head destruction, the Locust to CT destruction, and the Trebuchet to an ammo explosion. Also the Phoenix Hawk went internal on one side torso and a leg.
>Randall blaming the delay on the Aces and TRO nu3025hmm
>>97048497>the Locust to CT destruction>>97048032>Centurion rear laser killed a heavily damaged Locust, clean through the center torso.I feel like these are related and also fucking based.
How do you pronounce LAM? Lamb? El-Ayy-Em?
>>97048521They are very related, yes.
>>97048523LAM rhymes with ram.
>>97048523lamb
>>97048523I always spell out the letters.
>>97048523>How do you pronounce LAM?It's pronounced Ret-Con
>>97048523>El-Ayy-Em?This.
>nuTRO/BMM coming out in 7/30still a long way to go
>>97048553
>>97047355
>>97047355Wasp, Locust, Flea, Cicada...
>>97048571They must have amnesia. They forgot I'm him.
>>97048605Nobody forgets him. Ever.No matter how many years pass, no mater how many new victories, the memories of that day still haunts in the shadows of the mind.Hurling fire and metal at him, round after round and still the slow heavy footsteps rumble. Through the smoke that giant skull was visible. Wave after wave of Jenners and Comandos crushed under his feet. The horror still lingers.One name cause strong men to shake and widows to weep."Atlas"
>>97047961To be fair, if you blitz the dire wolf headlong and win, you're definitely warrior material, they just still expect you to slap another anything if you want to be star commander.
>>97048164I feel like the Dire Wolf for the trial is actually a surprisingly humbling experience. You have about as much mech as you can ever dream to have your hands on, so its your trial to lose; and yet most will only hit warrior out of the trial.
>>97048665Smoke Jaguar got what they deserved doing dumb shit like that.
>>97047018Were smoking filtered crack you stupid piece of shit
>>97048641
Is battletech the tabletop game with the most latinas in the lore?
So, in terms of playtest stuff from watching the CGL discord>People initially liked the side table change but soured on it over time, and now the writers are considering dropping it from the list because it didn't work out great in practice>Most other proposed changes have had generally positive responses>There may be more coming in the future
>>97048781I don't understand why people wouldn't like the side changes. Under the current system there is both no advantage to flanking one side or another on a mech and also you cannot protect a damaged side with positioning. The side table changes fix both of these problems. I understand some complaints about drilling one side to get at a mech's XL, but equally valid is the claim that you can now turn to protect a weak or damaged side to protect the XL, something you couldn't do before. It solves an intuitive issue for new players and a logical issue in play and simply requires some adaptation by players.
>>97048818You have to counter that by opening up the rear flanking angles and that poses it's own problems.
>>97048818Having played with the new rules multiple times, very often you have to choose between getting a better TMM, a better AMM, and being able to turn to shield that side. Assuming you didn't just lose initiative and now that firemoth with 9x 6 damage lasers is going to move 25 hexes to park itself wherever it wants regardless of what you did.
>>97048848To be fair, neither table will solve that fast-mover initiative problem; if he wants to and there's room he's going to be in your back arc at which point the side isn't going to change much.
>>97048818>Under the current system there is both no advantage to flanking one side or another on a mech and also you cannot protect a damaged side with positioningThe side charts still make a difference on which side is more likely to be hit, it's just not impossible to hit the opposite side. Removing it just makes it trivially easy to focus down a specific side torso, especially in later eras where extreme mobility is more common.
>>97048818The times I tried it, it made it way too easy to focus down a damaged side. You'd hit someone with a PPC and medium laser for 15 damage in the RT, he's got 6 health left, and next when you get into the right arc there's a 28% chance to hit the right torso with each shot. Too high.
>>97048877You know that's fair actually I forgot that the hit table curves and makes the center values (in this case, the torso, arms and legs of the given side) more common. I'm not exactly against the change still, but I can see why it's more even of a debate than I thought.
I think it'll just add complexity that doesn't add anything to the game in the end.
>>97048781Kind of crazy how you can actually test things out and respond to evolving feedback, and that sometimes things that sound good turn out more complex in the real world.You know, and not just shit out rules with completely insane drawbacks that make them effectively unplayable and then just sit with it like that forever.
>>97048877In my game today, I saw multiple right side hits from the left arc in a row. I know it's just a fluke of probability, but I was thinking about the playtest table the whole time.
>>97048924They're also getting rid of a lot of the insane drawbacks. Most notably, MRMs are replacing the +1 to hit with a -1 to hit and -1 on the cluster table, to fit with the lore that they're easier for newer pilots to news but you don't get great grouping with them because it's a cloud of unguided missiles
Do the side torso rules account for the arms? As in, if the arms are still there the chances are skewed to the arms first before the torso?
>>97045112It's fine. Most people will talk shit, but it is significantly faster to play, especially if you want to do larger encounters, and include combined arms.
>>97046774>my image>no pic
>Randall: We're getting a new Regent variant next Summer. Thry can guess which variant it is. Which configuration.I don't get it. Any guess?
>>97049030Yes. The playtest rule was to simply use the center hit chart when being hit from the side, but replace all instances of [side you're not being hit from] with [side you are being hit from].
>>97049128It's either the A because IWM already has one designed or it's not the A because IWM already has it.
>>97048685Damn that Executioner is tall compared to the Dire Wolves
>>97048685They needed a stealth soldier so i put my hands on the hibachi hotplate at benny hannahs and burnt my fucking fingerprints offTHEY WILL NOT FIND ME
>>97041570Since you have a booru, you might want to give this a read:>>>/trash/79443633
>>97049233what the fuck is a booru? looks like discord tranny kinda shit. I hereby invite all the namefags to go there instead of here.
>>97049284Go back home tourist. Boorus have been around longer than you've been alive.
>>97049128Which variant was the Pope's?
>>97049128>>97049179Probably the D if the amount of heavy laser designs in the new Aces box is any indication. Id love a B just because that was my favorite Hauptmann variant but I dont think its distinct enough from the Prime to get a mini.
>>97043619I go metallic and follow up with a darker wash to help the textures to pop>>97048781Some of the rules changes I was ok with, but on occasion the rules changes that were suggested Xotl seemed dead set on keeping ideas very counter to Battletech, more MWO/MW5'ish. Ammo explosion caps and legs not getting blown off for instance, good god not only do they take away from the immersion of the game, but they end up making the games longer.And on the other hand, you end up with water, and while I get he wants to suggest players not avoid water entirely there's still a big difference between crossing a river and crossing rough terrain. A big part of why players are willing to spend the MP to get into heavy woods is that even if they can't get efficient TMM, they'll still get a +2 advantage out of stopping inside of it. Crossing a D1 water hex even allowing running movement is going to cost you 5mp and probably a PSR for no real advantage. It's an improvement but still not enough to have players choose it as an ideal movement route or just spam JJ and ignore it outright.There are other rules that seem ok but will need tweaks. The side table removals could be abused pretty badly, but if they rerolled opposite side locations once you'd get similar results to the current setup. I like the feel of C3/ECM too, it feels better balanced but it ends up being much slower to use.
Any news on MUL 2.0? It's been almost 2 years.
>>97043619I mix silver and dark washSometimes I do Silver, dark wash and black
>>97048518GoTHic DeLayeD NoThiNg!
>>97048523Lay-Em
My Jenner just DFA'd/Flying Roundhouse kicked your Warrior VTOL out of the sky, and basically, you're a little bitch. Roll for Forced Withdrawal on every unit in LOS of the event.>was going to make the joke about a Flea then I discovered there are no fleas with jump jets which, in hindsight, makes absolutely no sense
>>97049233We have lost the keys to bg booru too. I think there is only one person still uploading there.
>>97049764Because of how jump jets work they are better on heavier units. You'd need 3-4 tons out of 20 on a Flea for jump jets.
>>97049764Technically the Flea-14 has jumpjets, but it's an experimental ultra-light at 15 tons.
>>97049790It's a flea in name only. Not a true flea. Even still, it's still only 4j and that's not enough to jump on any competent vtol pilot.
>>97049780Sounds like they need to add another rules change, light JJs either weigh 0.25t or are 0.5t but provide 2 jump MP each.>but what about the light mechs with max JJsLight classes now have double the max JJ rangeORAny JJ MP above the normal max lowers the heat generation, functioning like pseudo Improved JJs.
>gluing premium black knightso technically, the direction the mech's head is looking at/the direction the chest is facing at/the direction where the feet are pointed toward do not matter for deciding where the 'front arc' of the model is? I get to choose anywhere?
>>97049480Machine gun ammo being the most powerful explosive in the known universe was always kind of silly. Though I'd have fixed it by making MG ammo not explode. CASE capping ammo explosion damage is a good idea since it makes all the mechs that have both CASE and XLFE actually benefit from it outside being easier to salvage in campaigns, and blow-out panels stopping the whole torso going off doesn't seem immersion-breaking (CASE II already did that). I'd have kept CASE-less ammo explosions (except for MG ammo) the same as now, though.
>>97049821Because of how torso twists work, I always assume where the feet are pointed is the front arc, torso direction only mattering if the feet are ambiguously on the line. If there's any ambiguity at all, you should just paint the front edge so it's obvious.
>>97048665What's funny is that the Wolves don't really use Dire Wolves. If you look at the entire Wolf roster for like 4 Galaxies given in the Wolf Clan book, there's only a handful. Natasha Kerensky's might actually be the only one, but I'm not going to go through and check.Not a lot of Timber Wolves either. It's mostly Gargoyle (like A LOT of Gargoyles) and Pumas, with some Ice Ferrets and Timber Wolves for spice.
>>97048685Wow, Executioners are tall.
>>97048768List them
>>97049897> If there's any ambiguity at all, you should just paint the front edge so it's obvious.I always mark the front facing because why not? Just a little dot if you want to keep it subtle.
>>97049903They have to be glazed as being the best of the Clans despite using one of the worst omnimechs ever designed.
>>97049218My Ducati leather trench coat bright red, I look like ten million crawdads fucking.
>>97049887I suggested combat loads as a standard rule instead, so that players can choose to load up to the listed ammo count instead of starting with full bins all the time. No special rules or weight/bv savings, and that'll pretty much solve every player getting upset about machine gun ammo, as well as other ammo types that come with inconvenient amounts of rounds like SRM2s and small-bore ACs, without defanging a bin of AC20 ammo. If you only give yourself 8 shots of MG and you run out though, you run out. It's something so common sense but because it's not hard-coded into the rulebook people don't even consider it. Even TRO3055U's entry about the Watchman includes text about warriors figuring out not going into battle without a full ammo load.Do I expect that anyone took my advice? Probably not, no. Any input offered is pretty much shouting into the ether.
Anyone recognize the mechs here?
>>97050011Yea. Fuck your advice.>learning about vtols and conventionals and want to make a riot scenario where a single light mech takes on equiv bv of uppity assholes in a city
>>97050119chameleon in red and victor in green?
>>97050136I think red is a Cataphract?
>>97050119Green is obviously a Victor while the red I think might be a Templar
>>97041570
>>97050119I think the red thing is a Templar. People keep saying the Liao one is a Victor, but the arm is different. The current design is supposed to have an elbow. I think it's one of those post-Xin Sheng Cappellan. Some Chinese name.
>>97050136>>97050185Victor? With an arm like that?
>>97050136>>97050185>>97050119>>97050212>>97050213>>97050177>>97050119You would think it's a victor but it's actually the capellan not!victor named lu wei bing, most easily differentiated by the lu wei bing not having a lower arm.The red mech is a templar III.
>>97050212Lu Wei Bing
god this thing is fucking ugly
>>97050225Lu Wei Bing was pretty much them making a new Victor model based on the MWO Victor without saying they were making a new Victor model. Hence the design being identical to the actual new Victor model aside from the right arm. It ended up being kind of underscaled, though.
Oh no! The local furry cabal has decided to take up arms against their periphery government and formed a paramilitary force! They've killed the sheriff, stolen a helicopter and raided the armory! Are you a bad enough dude to field 500bv introtech and neutralize their porn van before they use the planet's HPG to request 300 years worth of furry porn!?>destroy the van in 4 turns? crush it underfoot?>wipe out the remaining forces?>minimize damage to the city?>can you do it all in an industrialmech instead?
>>97044854>>97044907I know, I know. It just makes them never feel worth their value in BV, or that they absolutely need to -not- be in combat with 'Mechs. Which is kind of accurate to the lore, I guess.The +2 from side against tracks is kinda BS tho'.>>97045112It's fine if you like Kimble and/or want to play Kill Team but strip away every bit of strategy from that game.
>>97050264Christ, what can you even get for 500? A Firestarter is almost 700. Commando is 541. Can you get anything aside from a bug?
>>97047513Just don't get in the head again baka desu it's not that hard.
>>97050212>>97050225I hate the fucking Chinese names. At least for the Dracs, it's just a few of their Mechs. It's like Europa Barbarorum. I don't want to have to memorize some set of random syllables in Chinese or Japanese or Latin or Ancient Phoenician. Just give the fuckers names in English. It's not immersion-breaking.
>>97045112Alpha Strike is perfect for retards. The movement is so far, the ranges so long, and the space so small that any kind of tactical thinking goes out the window and you're just seeing who can roll dice better than the other guy.
>>97050289Besides bugs, your options are the commando 1C and the humble urbanmech R60L.
>>97050315the r60L is poorly suited for search and destroy especially against a 7/11 car.
>>97050298It wouldn't be so bad if they had opposition reporting names like clan mechs do.
>>97048848>very often you have to choose between getting a better TMM, a better AMM, and being able to turn to shield that side.Sounds like you need to make a tactical decision, and that's a good thing.I love being able to run into water though, makes plenty of the maps from Savannah map pack actually useable instead of a joke.The Ammo Explosion cap to 20 is a good thing though. If I'm to believe that 'mechs survive tens or hundreds of years of warfare but get atomized when the MG ammo in the arm explodes, that does a lot for my immersion in a negative way. And it was funny to destroy a CASE'd Mackie by just exploding all three AC/20 ammo bins in succession, killing the pilot from feedback.>>97048977I thought it was just a -1 on the Cluster table. A -1 to hit will make them pretty insane.
>>97050011I've suggested people increase the game to last 200 turns instead of the usual 8, 10 or 12. That way, they can agree to spend the first 190 turns firing their machine guns at the nearest level 2 hill before proceeding with the rest of the game.
>>97050225>most easily differentiated by the lu wei bing not having a lower arm.I always wondered why Victors are portrayed as having a lower arm when the vast majority of variants don't?
>>97050324
>>97050517Giving two Capellan mechs panel lining easily painted into Rising Suns is a weird choice.
>>97050517Is there a version with more than 12 pixels?
>>97050558That's a 2015x3745 image.
>>97050298Japanese names at least aren't that difficult to pronounce (even if English speakers tend to mispronounce them since the pronunciation doesn't quite work like in English), but the Chinese names are not only extremely difficult for non-native speakers to get right (Chinese being a tone-based language, even a slight mispronounciation can throw things off; you can generally understand English, or Japanese, even if the speaker has a foreign accent, but with Chinese that can result in a seemingly nonsensical string of random words), but the transliteration is also so bad that in some cases it's difficult for even Chinese-speakers to figure what the fuck the mech's name is supposed to be. Like, Lu Wei Bing is pretty clear if you speak Chinese (it means "green banner bearer". IIRC specifically the shade of green that's in English referred as spring green), but then you have Yiching....Whatever the fuck the mech labeled as "Ching Ching" in >>97050517 is actually called. IIRC it's supposed to mean "firefly".
>>97050325I think there should be a variable roll to hit and cluster penalty. Like you can shoot at +1 to hit for a +1 to cluster, or vice versa.
>>97050567>>97050298If you start using foreign names you can call mechs the same thing.
the writers of battletech are american right? that would explain random shit like a Minnesota clan showing up or Comstar's headquarters being a Red Roof Inn on Hilton Head Island
Why are there two seprate incidents of Victor Steiner-Davion getting his cum stolen?
>>97050655Bucky's is canon in the Battletech universe
>>97050655Yeah, but they must also be Teaboos with how much random British stuff is in Battletech.
>>97050566Why is the text fuzzy for me?
>>97050711Scotaboos*
>>97050728You're probably using the inline preview instead of actually opening it. Either that, or you haven't fully let it load.
>>97050655Or Unity City being on Seattle.
>>97050655Someone should book the hotel that's located on the spot of the Cathedral of the First Circuit to host a Battletech convention.
What are some mechs that would be cool is they got IIc versions? The stalker would be one.
>>97050788rakshasa
>>97050788The stalker II.
>>97050567>IIRC it's supposed to mean "firefly".Yeah, and it's basically just an upgraded Firebee. Should just be a Grand Firebee, IMO.>>97050823Stalker II IICBut how do we make it fall down even harder?
>>97050655Comstar priests stop at the Circle K to stock up on Monster and Zyn before a long day of working at space T-Mobile
>>97050823Has anyone ever made a picture with a grid for Marauders?Marauder | Marauder C----‐---------------------------------Marauder II | Marauder IIC, Marauder II C
>>97050655what if in 40k theg golden throne was really just a Greggs in bradford
So I played some Crescent Hawk's Inception and holy shit is it just... A product of it's time.The fight UI, the plot, that's all done well, but holy shit is it a SLOG.>Pay 150 C-bills to even get outside>Get about 200 C-bills for fighting enemy 'mechs>Repair cost for a medium laser? 300 C-bills>Ammo resupply cost for a single shot of SRM-6? 88 C-billsApparently you're supposed to just invest in TharHes and then just sit around for four hours walking in a circle and hope for your investment fund to soar off enough that you aren't constantly in poverty.And reload as soon as you lose your one 'mech, of course. I really want to like that game but FUCK, is it just so... 80's RPG.
>>97050959I got this game when it was new and I was just a kid. The money thing made me instantly lose interest, as I had other games that were much more playable. I am curious about giving it a go as an adult, but not very motivated to deal with an emulator.
>>97051003Worked fine with Dosbox for me, but yeah, apparently you just need to make sure to make a lot of investments and fart about during the start of the game.
>>97050711Probably because of how much the early editions were meant to be "historical war gaming IN SPACE" the same way 40k was fantasy IN SPACE. Obviously in the English speaking world, a lot of historical games are based around conflicts Britain was involved in like the Napoleonic Wars, the World Wars, etc.
So, I went to the biggest wargaming event in my country and they had everything (fifteen tables of Mordheim, several tables of Trench Crusade, tven the fucking Halo tabletop game) but not a single table of Battletech, Not even a single Battletech PRODUCT in the entire convention, not even a single box amongst countless vendors.I've often joked with the guy I play that we are the only players in a 500km radius, but I'm starting to believe this is no longer a joke. Bar Germans (that love to be shat upon and treated like subhumans because they're, well, Germans) there is any Euro country that isn't a complete Warhammer country? I get that CGL essentially doesn't ship to Europe because they're worthless retards, but I feel like an endangered species.
>>97051218The UK, weirdly enough
>>97051218There was a long period whne BT was essentially a homebrew game where it was completely unsupported in most places. Where I was at the time there were guys that were printing mechs because we just couldn't get them. I'm actually surprised that there isn't more mech STL sharing going on out there.
>>97051303There's an entire website dedicated to indexing and linking all mech STL's everywhere, how the fuck could there possibly be MORE sharing?
>>97051218I haven't heard of any non-anglo europeans that had anywhere near the interest the germans had.
>>97051303>I'm actually surprised that there isn't more mech STL sharing going on out there.There are tons of STLs around.
Are there any references for the cost of tuition at top-end academies like NAIS or the Nagelring?
>>97051274I said Euro country. Northern Pakistan isn't Euro.>>97051303>>97051437Yeah, Mechwarrior was kinda huge here but rarely you find some translated stuff from the 90ies. All the fansites I see in my language died in the late 2000ies.It must be some sort of self-repeating cycle: no shop keeps it in store because impossible to supply, no interest and no one to teach newbies. I tried, but people react to the ruleset like it's trying to murder their daughter because it has a couple tables. I get it though, why invest in a system where even CGL can't be bothered to supply your country? I have to get stuff from Germany and the UK.If only they supported Real Diversity, like making slavs and mediterraneans play.
>>97051639What country are you from?In Finland we've got a few small groups around the larger cities, but it's tough going. Gonna be introducing a local gaming club to BattleTech tomorrow, six people have signed up for the game so far so that's pretty awesome.
>>97050517Forgot the Gun.
Is 40k or BT more woke
>>97052056Yes
>>97052056Theoretically, 40K is ironic about it's politics, making it more woke than BT, which is quite serious about the rule of nobility and neofeudalism being good things that cause no problems at all.
>>97052056I haven't yet seen a 40k logo done up in a rainbow, nor have I seen an officially endorsed magazine dedicate multiple issues to gay fanfiction smut, nor have I seen the 40k wikis rainbow up their logos.That being said 40k is full of "female" miniatures that are clearly troons by the way they're sculpted.
>>97052169Battletech has done all that?
>>9705205640k.Gate crushers, anyone?
>>97052212Yes.For me the high watermark for Catalyst bullshit was the whole fiasco about using the proper pronouns for mechs.
>>97052212Yes? How new are you? This shit has all happened in the past year alone, you don't even need to know about the times it happened before then.
>>97052212Battletech hasn't done any of that, CGL and Sarna have done that.CGL is not Battletech, CGL is merely a temporary licensee of the Battletech franchise.
>>97052212Saying the gay smut magazine is "officially endorsed" is a little misleading since it was endorsed by a couple of freelance writers who work on BT stuff.
>>97052272Where was the official Catalyst Labs statement that contradicts them?
>>97052231Huh? Wheres that. How much of the fag stuff is canon and how much was just a few fans
>>97052272They're using official catalyst logos on it and CGL has never disowned, distanced or C&D'd them, so it's endorsed.
>>97052293This was done under the official banner CGL, not fans. There will always be fans doing their thing, If it was just a bunch of trans furries I wouldn't even care.
>>97052056BT makes the facist colonial invaders out to be good guys
>>97052272It was explicitly endorsed by official CGL social media.
>>97052293>How much of the fag stuff is canonNone of it, CGL isn't FASA
>>97052307Battletech doesn't have "good guys", it just has fans that latch on to the faction that most resembles their personal biases and then claim they're the good guys.
>SLDF, ELH, SoL and etcany tips on making their color less monotonous?
Damn, should i go back to 40k if BT is a fagfest? They have pronouns for mechs now? And jerone blake is niw retconned to be a they/them i heard?
>>97052307I really wonder how little that one author cared about the setting when he wrote about populations naturally adopting clan culture and allegiance because it was "just another flag".
>>97052399>should i go back to 40kYes.
>>97052393Sure it does, my guys are the good guys and your guys are a fat payday.
>>97052231>For me the high watermark for Catalyst bullshit was the whole fiasco about using the proper pronouns for mechs.What? Elaborate.
>>97052394Nose art and slogans.Or maybe pick a faction with a color scheme you like. Or do "appropriate camouflage".
>>97052393>Battletech doesn't have "good guys",Filtvelt CoalitionGrey Death LegionEldrani Light HorseOutworlds Alliance Clan WolverineKnights DefensorWolfs DragoonsNorthwind HighlandersRepublic of the Sphere1st Somerset Strikers
>>97052399>And jerone blake is niw retconned to be a they/them i heard?Unless you've seen something horrible I haven't I think you might be referring to one of the worst BT writers doing some gay fantasizing about focht being a transexual.
>>97052437>Republic of the SphereDidn't they have some ridiculous death camp thing going on? Not to mention all the theft of people's mechs.
>>97052437>republic of the sphereYou know, I think there are millions of people who were chemically bombed or forcibly relocated to frozen prison worlds because their native culture isn't liked by their new "Republican" noble governor who might take issue with that.
>>97051713Italian. There's apparently a couple guys in Tuscany, but amazingly enough it appears American soldiers trying to find games are also a thing (I mean, two are a crowd when there are three players total in several hundred kms).>>97052399Trust me, from out perspective it's extremely weird and funny. "What do you mean they have gay pride fiction but they can't be arsed to have an european distribution hub" "Americans are weird like that, you know"
>>97052464>>97052466I don't know desu, I don't know much about Post Civil war fluff. Just what I read about them in the source books made them out to be the good guys
>>97052419I have like a dozen different factions in my collection. 5 Great Houses, 2 Clans, 4 mercenary groups, 1 jihadist telecom company, and a 1 pirate faction. Thirteen. I have thirteen different factions in my collection.
>>97052471>Trust me, from out perspective it's extremely weird and funny. "What do you mean they have gay pride fiction but they can't be arsed to have an european distribution hub" "Americans are weird like that, you know"When you put it like that, it IS really fucking funny.
>>97052474They did trail of tears style genocide against their own people to destroy cultures they thought might not fit with their vision, and they did a lot of false flags to intentionally start wars between other nations, at least one of which involved detonating a massive bomb under a chemical plant that was so bad that the whole world basically died from the fallout. Also their disarmament was often rushed and done without any followup plan to secure the world's they just forcibly demilitarized, leaving them open to raiders and pirates.
>>97052056Both are being actively worked over.It's gonna be interesting in the next few years to see which ones back off, which ones double down, if they realize at all that round the clock messaging that doesn't actually seem to ever have anything to do with their product or market is kind of weird, when you think about it.
>>97052506Dam thats dumb, oh well, I retact them from the list.>>97052508>Unironically useing chudFalse flag, surely
>>97052506Also, they broke the entire HPG net, destroying the last piece of SLDF mega technology to survive the Succession Wars.
>>97052471I get the feeling it's going to be like the american lobotomy craze in 20 years.
>>97052420One of their fiction authors was going off about it. Was a controversy for a bit a couple of years ago. CGL never retracted it. This post was part of the drama>>97052508
>>97052437You're having a laugh with that list.
>>97052530So are 'Mechs women now or what
>the good guysThe Dragon, rightful heir to the Star League and only legitimate claimant to the title of First Lord, and his loyal subjects.>the bad guysEveryone else.
>>97052559Nah Lad, its clearly the Federated Suns, Init.
>>97052519Nah, that's a real writer/moderator, the subreddit is officially ran by corporate.Not only do they keep their annual pride stuff pinned, for a while they had a big "beware of nasty bad fans!" pin that mentioned "unsanctioned" fan works made by evil chuddies that they officially disavow. It was a fanmagazine ran by someone that ran afoul of one of the legbeard moderators, they refused to explain why.It's pretty funny because the pride stuff tends to get pretty poor responses there anyway. It's not full blown revolt but people clearly don't really give a shit and they always have to lock them with a "ya'll can't behave!"
>>97052554Weren't ships and shits traditionally used female pronouns?
>>97052554I feel like all this must have happened because someone used a pronoun for a Jenner. Doesn't matter which one or in what context.
>>97052554I don't have fuckin' clue. I just know that the BT trans cult will stomp me out if I misgender them.
>>97052554You can certainly make them look like it.
>>97052584Ships and aircraft are always female in the English language, It's one of the few rare non-human uses of gendered language use that even living animals don't get.
>>97052491For a moment, consider the game. It's a good fucking game. We had a lot of laughs playing it (eternal thanks to the Instant Action guy that helped us setup quickly good matches). There's no promotion, the Kickstarters were embarrassingly bad for Euro customers and you have to suffer like an animal to get the minis. I repeat, zero promotion, it's like your entire continent doesn't exist if you ignore the g*rms. And at the same time they have struggle sessions about genderspecials an' shit. It's like they don't know they're running a company and they don't need to write cringe gay fanfiction, just do a bit of promotion and some deals. It's that hard?
>>97052620You could try Ral Partha Europe
>>97041570Cassie is mystery meat, pinoy-singaporean-burmese, Asian archipelagos and islanders -ese.She's kuritan-cappellan officially.
>>97052620Yeah, we still have some people who haven't received their Kickstarters here and I think I am te only person in the country with the City Map Pack.But in the words of Bryan Young: "BattleTech needs more positive whore representation" or something.
How did a tiny population of autistic troons manage to take over rpgs abd tabletop games
>>97052683Wild, what country?
>>97052785In-group preference. They're almost as bad as Indians in that regard. All it takes is one getting into a position where they can influence hiring decisions and that's all they're gonna hire from now on.
>>97052620>the Kickstarters were embarrassingly bad for Euro customers and you have to suffer like an animal to get the minisHonestly, I'm surprised that any non-Americans backed any of the Kickstarters after the first. I feel like it's pretty obvious by this point that Catalyst just plain doesn't care about you fuckers.
BT is dead in a few years. Sad but predictable. Mw5 clans bombed too
>>97052847Business as usual then.
>>97052683Man, that's one of the dumbest things he ever said considering that the vast majority of sex work representation is either an objective "there is also a brothel here". Or the story is about how well regulated and non-trafficking the sex work already is. I don't know what else he wants after the government regulates the industry so hard that organized crime exits the space. What else even is there to improve?
>>97052570Fucking Fedrat...
>>97052869I just don't really understand the concept or the need for it myself. Or are people actually going to go "She just like me FR!?" when we have a Whore 'Mechwarrior? Like I'd need some scrawny overweight project manager to become a 'Mech jockey or else I couldn't read the books because I didn't feel I was being represented?
>>97052559Do you know what the context of that video is?I mean, obviously it's Imperial Japanese soldiers, but do you know where and specifically when?
>>97052437>Filtvelt CoalitionSecessionist periphery rats who bleed member planets back to the FedSuns, then behave as a de facto FedSuns state anyway (losers)>Grey Death LegionMercenary scum>Eldrani Light HorsePretentious mercenary scum>Outworlds AlliancePeriphery rats that lost to a second rate Clan>Clan WolverineTriple traitors, pirates, and irrelevant memes>Knights DefensorReligious zealots and nerds>Wolfs DragoonsLol. Lmao.>Northwind HighlandersSell-out fence-crossing mercenary scum>Republic of the SphereAuthoritarian retards who abandoned the Inner Sphere after attempting to disarm it>1st Somerset StrikersA propaganda unit
>>97052894It's from a movie. They're doing a Shinto dance to honor their fallen comrades. I believe it's set in Nanking.
>>97052892It's especially bad because she said that there should be Sea Fox brothels.Considering the Clan economic and political system, the prostitutes would not be there willingly. At best, they'd be punch-clock workers, rather than the strong, sex-positive women I'm sure Young had in mind when he said that."Congratulation, Laborer Vanessa. For servicing an average of 17 clients a day, you have been given a 1-step raise in grade! Please take that and this mango as your reward.""Thank you, Brother Supervisor. This will be the first fruit I've had in 4 months!"
>>97052785>>97052802Also billions of dollars in consultancy and outreach groups funded to tell you why you need them. It's pretty crazy just how much money was being moved into propping up a million gay little companies and then inserting them into roles of influence in media.
>>97052918Do you remember what movie?
>>97052921Personally, I think it would be a Merchant sub-caste. They're the catchall caste, but also tend to do the "people management" stuff that isn't leading.
>>97052938Which actually reminds me, I've been meaning to ask what caste clan medical personnel are. Scientists obviously do all the medical research, but who's stitching up half-dead Warriors or prescribing them meds for their space gonorrhea? Would MASH type units be Technicians?
>>97052932City of Life and Death2009 Chinese movie
>>97052950IIRC Doctors are members of the Scientist caste, though I bet that nurses and EMTs etc are Technicians.
>>97052962Thanks
>>97052971I like to do sprinkle good deed or two in between my numerous shitposts.
>>97052683Yeah, you get pieces and stuff from people going around in other countries. I got map packs from friends visiting the UK, for example.>>97052812The suffering was something. Now only imagine how we feel about Gothic and all the other crap, when they could not manage BASIC decency for customers. At times it feels like CGL is run like a bunch of amateurs, that prioritize "fun happy stuff" above customer service, quality or anything else.
>>97052892>Mechwarrior whoring herself out to pay the repair and maintenance bills, get discount on ammo, keep the DropShip hooked up with herLooks plausible? Young should have made Katie do all these for the Fox Patrol really
>>97053080>"There is dignity in sex work!">glark glark glark>"This is empowering!"
>>97053031And while several people haven't gotten their shit, the FLGS has two full display cases of Gothic loot boxes, which nobody will purchase.Praise Blake!
>>97053080In the era leading up to the Jihad it definitely would have worked. Mechwarriors and especially mercenaries were in the limelight. You could get free drinks pretty much anywhere and worm your way into local media easily as long as you weren't ugly, abrasive, and a warcriminal (any two of those is fine). It would be easy for a modestly hot freelance mechwarrior to double dip on a protection contract for one of those traveling Canopian space circuses, or even a land bound brothel. Easy advertising win.
>>97053031>At times it feels like CGL is run like a bunch of amateursWell, it is.>>97053080Isn't she some sort of self-insert?
>>97052938Warriors of Kerensky says that there is an "Artisan Supercaste" with members of both Laborer and Merchant Castes.What are whores if not artisans?
>>97053091Praise Blake!
>>97053031Sadly it's better than being ran by professionals
>>97053173Imagine thinking you're gonna be a great Warrior with the genes of the allfather himself and then you break your leg and it doesn't heal right and you wash out into the hair-and-makeup-for-literal-whores caste. You don't even get to schmooze with customers and maybe build influence, you just work in the dressing room.
>>97053173Doesn't the warrior caste just kinda fuck each other when they feel like it? And wouldn't such a nonchalant view on sex also kinda flow down into the lower castes?
>>97051218Us swamp Germans have decently sized communities around multiple major cities. My local one is about 8 active (multiple games a month) players, and quite a few more occasional players.Supply is hit or miss, but not as bad as the horror stories I've seen in this thread. Good rapport with the owners of the flgs does help though.
>>97053253Yes and mostly yes, it kinda depends on the clan. Technically everyone all the way from the Ilkhan to the lowliest laborer is part of the eugenics program, but the lower castes are left to do it the manual way, and depending on the clan the scientists might just rubber stamp whatever pairings happen organically because they don't give a fuck about anything that isn't their precious tube babies.
>>97053174Praise Blake!
>>97053253>wouldn't such a nonchalant view on sex also kinda flow down into the lower castes?Not at all. Even the lower castes have euginically-based pairings. You are assigned a spouse to fuck and make babies with in the lower castes. If you're not cranking out the right amount of kids with that gene pairing assigned by the scientist caste, you are in huge trouble. Now, if you make your numbers, people tend to have "second" families with people they actually like. The whole thing is super fucked.It's one of those clan culture things they've tried to softly backpedal because clan society is just absolutely horrific and having them win in ilClan with nobody giving a fuck is completely asinine. These days, most IS clans say "Well, technically we have to approve your pairing, but if you have a suggestion for your wife like that technician Elemental that failed out for having her massive tits get in the way of combat, then maybe I can help a bro out."Except the Bears. The Bears fucking exile you to their new substate that used to be Stoner space. It's always fun to point out when retards totally misunderstand what "family" means to the Bears.
Finally finished the boys that I brought to Adepticon earlier this year, the flames were a pain in the ass so I only put them on a select few.
>>97053331it makes some sense for the IS clans to get toned down over time, they're supposed to be permanent players like any other house not the scary alien opfor anymore, it could lead to interesting plotlines where they contrast them with the still fully autistic home clans OH WAIT
>>97053313Praise Blake!
>>97053331>>97053412I think its funny in MW5 Clans/a bunch of the clan invasion novels, the clans love to talk shit about how awful and miserable and fascist the inner sphere is while being just as "What the everloving fuck?" to a current time audience. Its fun when the setting is full of miserable, awful people, just varying flavors of miserable and awful.
>>97053331You would think the Great House would launch a mass invasion of Terra to boot them out, they massively out number the clans
>>97053342Where do I get that Battlemaster?
>>97053526Irond wind metals, they have 20% off orders of $100 atm, which is basically by 4 get one free
>>97053526>>97053537It's the IWM beemer, but it took a lot of finagling to get it in that pose. The legs and arms wouldn't normally support it doing that.
>>97053342>le heckin craberinos
>>97053412>they're supposed to be permanent playersNo, they were supposed to be exterminated by the 2nd Star League and their remains subsumed into quirky little subunits of the Lyrans and Dracs. Then VSD fucked all that up in the Year of Our Lord 2002 when the FCCW ended and he stepped down. Twilight of the Clans was the best era of bt to live through. Change my mind.
>>97053253>nd wouldn't such a nonchalant view on sex also kinda flow down into the lower castes?Yes.
>>97053497Man, I miss Stacy. What wound up being her end? Her and Anon escape the Coalition counterattack and head out to the deep periphery with the Fleet of Blake?
>>97053342Those flames are great.
did I hallucinate or did they mention somewhere that plastic ares variants were coming eventually™?
>>97053781There is supposed to be an Ares box with all the arms.
>>97053331>It's always fun to point out when retards totally misunderstand what "family" means to the Bears.The most accurate definition of what they mean by "family" is "Trueborn warrior caste members under the age of 30.", but they'll execute any of them found to be genetically tainted, mind.
>>97044375I thought one of those was only a 5?
>>97053838What they mean by family is more "You know how all the other clans will stab each other in the back any way possible to climb the ranks? Maybe, we could like have some affection for our fellow warriors and not just play Screeching Falcon political retard hardball all the time? Should I fight Steve for his Atlas II? Well, yes, but you know, after the mission when it doesn't compromise the combat readiness of the whole goddamn star."
Playtest Package 4: Missions scheduled start date moved to December 1stFuck
>>97053091>the FLGS has two full display cases of Gothic loot boxes, which nobody will purchase.The Gothic box was apparently one of their best selling boxes according to the stream on Friday>>97053537>Irond wind metals, they have 20% off orders of $100 atm, which is basically by 4 get one freeI thought about taking advantage of that because i kind of want the Awesome 8T but spending over $100 on like five or so miniatures is too much. I'll probably just by the awesome by itself.
Huh, AA mechs were this rare?
>>97054012You say rare as if Riflemans aren't in the top ten most common mechs of all time.
>>97053972There's been 5 units sitting in my FLGS for weeks, owner originally bought 6. He's been trying to get rid of them to make room for gundam stuff.
Redemption Rift Audiobook is now out.Will have it uploaded to its respective trove later tonight as I caught this as I was leaving house for work.
>>97053972>The Gothic box was apparently one of their best selling boxes according to the stream on FridayYeah, to the distributors. Like Shogun and Mandrill minis back in the day.>>97054012>Forgot the Quickdraw>Forgot a shit ton more of stuff that carries the Garret D2j
>>97054012Maybe, but there were a metric shit ton of Riflemans made, I think.
>>97054109Thank you always
>>97053972>>97054119>Yeah, to the distributors.B2B is the only market that matters. Nobody making money deals with end customers.
>AGOAC/Clan Invasion were like $50-60>Mercenaries was like $75>Gothic is $95
>>97054109I wonder if they'll ever remake the Blood of Kerensky trilogy audiobooks, but unabridged.
>>97054119>>97054143>Yeah, to the distributors.CGL laughing all the way to the bank, they already made their money, who cares if this results in distributors being more gunshy about future products, that's future CGL's probably, they're a totally different company.
>>97054154They've been supposedly working on it since i believe 2021 or 22.
>>97054143Imagine what kind of shock they're in next time they put up a spin off product and find out nobody's gonna fucking order them because they don't sell.
>>97054175If they're planning monster force packs then somebody is presumably buying gothic.
Whats the deal with gothic? Whats the point
>>97054211Pumping money frim reddit fags who want some heckin kaijus in their stompy robot game
>>97054211>We want more of the 40k market, and also we can try to tell a new story because we have no fucking idea where to go with ilClan and it's not a popular era.>Maybe we can make new thing popular and focus on that for a couple years instead like when we had Year of the Star League when we waffled the DA jump?IMO
>>97054192I think it's just the salvage packs that really aren't moving. And why would they be, there's only what, 13 or 14 options, all of them are in the main box, and five of them are Atlases. They didn't even do the gatcha thing of making a sixth Atlas for Comstar and putting it in as a rare.
>>97054211They didn't think Mech und Panzer would sell.
>>97054172How long does it take to produce an audiobook?
>>97054192Not necessarily. If Randall or Loren or maybe Herb thinks it's awesome, they might just push it through until enough money is hemorrhaged.
>>97054295There's definitely demand for the monsters if they also release those creation rules and give them a BV. I've seen plenty of people say they want to use the unit type even if they don't care about the rest of Gothic.
>>97054012hatchetman always confuses me, like we went out of our way to make THE melee mech, then ALSO install AA specialization on itlike it doesn't interfere or anything but it just seems like such an afterthought
orca or omega?
>>97054358The AA stuff is an accidental bonus from the controls required for piloting the Full Head Ejection system in the OG fluff.
>>97054372Omega and PRAISE BLAKE!
>>97054358It's got an AC and a funny looking possibly radar ball on its head, so the TRO entry writer probably just said "fuck it, it's an AA mech now too."
>>97054358I am just disappointed its not swatting aircraft out the skies with its hatchet.
>>97054358It's a fluke, because they had to program it to be able to quickly calculate its own full head ejection trajectory so it doesn't smash the pilot into the side of a cliff, it turns out that it can also calculate the trajectories of basically anything else that flies and cross reference that with the travel time of its own projectiles.Also, it's an AC/10 carrier that happens to have a Hatchet. It's not fast or strong enough to actually be a melee mech.
>>97054398>>97054375that's actually fuckin neato
>>97054211Make a bunch of one off AUs with different styles of mechs for both regular players and tourists that might be interested in them. The people working on the mechs and writing the setting are doing this during downtime between main projects so this gives them something to do.And in my extremely cynical opinion they know most people think the IlClan era setting is fucking shit but they can't change things anymore than they already have so they're releasing one off AU settings for people to potentially get invested in.
Speaking of the Hatchetman, why the hell did it take so long in universe to make a mech to hold a stick? It could always swing a makeshift club so they had that built in
>>97054398Yeah the Hatchetman is designed for fire support. You don't wade into combat like a dope thinking its a berserker.
>>97054483>make revolutionary new mech melee weapon tech>give it to a mech that can barely make use of itwhy does this miserable wretch even exist desu
>>97054466You would just have them carry clubs previously. Some designs don't even have a good reason to not bring their own club onto the battlefield. Clubs just break easily and mechs were already at their peak strength before TSM was an option, so there wasn't a reason to make one specifically for that purpose.
>>97054503It's a new technology testbed. The real question is why did they go ahead and mass produce it instead of leaving it as a boutique experiment?
>>97054503For even the mighty Federated Commonwealth needs a mighty mook. It's their panther. Same long range gun profile and damage. Same movement profile. Pathetic rear armor to discourage turning your back like a coward or losing initiative like an unlucky coward. Then, a cutting-edge melee weapon to bash other enemy 4/6 light troopers like Vindicators and Panthers into the dirt.
>>97054516Probably kept Dr. Banzai from ditching the NAIS for rock and roll tours. That paid off when he reverse-engineered BA later.
>>97054516They would go on to make the Axman from the development of the Hatchetman and my god that thing fucks.
>>97054211>excuse not to move the main setting forward>excuse to design cool minis without having to do new mechs or old mechs hardly anyone cares about>excuse to sell another starter box setI can't complain though, I like the Gothic minis. Gonna start painting them up tomorrow if the weather lets me prime.
>>97054574I love the sculpt for the King Crab but I don't like that hey are oversized. It would have been cool to use other BT minis with them.
>>97054628Scale is a spook anyway, but it would be nice to get art and standees of other mechs in the style.
>>97052399>should i go back to 40kYes please. If you're from 40k we'd rather you not be here at all. Your kind is worse for gaming than the trooniest tranny.
Which faction has the most thicc latinas who have sex with white mechwarriors
>>97054717FWL. The Trinity worlds are the only surviving latin culture in the setting. The rest of the browns have been made extinct, since it's inherently a setting about humanity being better than it is now.
>>97054717>This man drives a Great Torta.hpg
>>97054574if only they didn't have spikes
>>97054729>only surviving latin cultureTOGA TOGA
sorry, anon. all the infrastructure to create thicc latinas were lost during the succession wars.
>it's inherently a setting about humanity being better than it is nowThe dumbest thing posted in this thread (no small feat).
>>97054744Says you. We can still find them on high gravity worlds.
>>97054744You only need euro sperm and native american egg to make latinas
>>97054743Those are the Oirish.
>>97054012Everything not infantry can do it half-assed. Battle-Armor is about as good as a shortranged tank.
Isnt there a space texas in BT?
>>97054913Lone Star district of the Terran Hegemony. It's fully Drac in 3025.
Gothic's reception is purely because they didn't go all the way. It's just OrganicTech with rerolled factions with a universally forced change in their behaviors, just because that was the theme of the setting. If they were actual demons unaligned to any of the houses rather than generic bioweapons then it would have carved a sufficiently different niche for itself. It would be compared to being an Imperial-Knights-vs-Daemons pocket-ripoff-setting but isn't that something worth exploring over "Houses are religious™ now lmao"?
>>97054920Do girls who like xochtil gomez live there
>>97054956It's Doom/Resident Evil, with a splash of Trench Crusade for engagement that kinda looks like 40k if you squint. The monsters actually being demons would be too on the nose and if they weren't aligned with anyone then it would just be mechs vs monsters with no room for combined mechs and monsters vs mechs and monsters.
what was jerome blake's deal? did he have kids? was he gay? was he amish? the lore videos i watched make him out to be some kind of amish
IMO, they should have started with an AU influenced by Starship Troopers. The idea of mech being developed to repel giant bugs is cool.
>>97054984>and if they weren't aligned with anyone then it would just be mechs vs monsters with no roomWhy? There's nothing to rationalize that kind of outcome. It would just be the same thing gameplay wise but there would be different, more distinct stakes for the various factions rather than it being just the status quo except some factions are furries (scalies). Even if you come up with some kind of explanation as to why you would only engage the monsters with mechs, that only emphasizes the combined arms nature of BT because factions will try to moderate their use of mechs until its necessary. If the threat of a third party requiring mechs to counter crashing the party looms over every narrative then that works out fine for everyone not in a mech.
>>97054975absolute exquisite taste anon
>>97055035Is that weird bimbo face natural or did they mess up the work?
>>97054985Even worse, he was a nerd. And a workaholic nerd at that. Then he was really, really busy being the only minister of the star league after the coup and spent the rest of his life running around making Comstar a thing and having seizures from a head injury he got from Amaris troops.If he ever had a family, Toyama definitely would have kept them hidden to ensure Blake's mystique (and to prevent any sort of "claim to the throne" situation later on). In fact, Toyama is the type to have them killed in a freak accident and then deleted from all records.
>hey mechwarrior how big is your PPC
>>97055027If they're not aligned... then why would they be aligned on the field?
>>97054984Reading your post more carefully at the end, it is still possible to mix demons into armies just by doing exactly that. Some factions try to leash this third faction into their ranks, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. Lots of opportunities to write stories even if cliche about that. Perhaps you can argue that the lizard people narrative has fresher ideas but I'm looking at the appeal of the setting as a whole and they are not as good for it as the tried and true paranormal.
>>97054985>the lore videos i watched make him out to be some kind of amishNot even close. They just gave him that beard in the 2011 stuff.>what was jerome blake's deal?He cared about preserving everything he could that he worked his whole life for when he saw the known universe doom spiraling to destruction.>did he have kids?No. Dude was an absolute IT autist and god of the server rooms of the universe.>was he gay?No, but he had one good friend like most autists, so you know how every chick and fembrained retard reads that.
>>97055058"Resident Evil in space with mechs" is plenty good enough for me. Better than a literal 40k ripoff down to the details, at least.
>joins Camacho's Caballeros
>>97055063So... A PPC is now a proton gun and mecha are for going after giant ghosts...
I actually like the Gothic take on mercenaries, which is to make them privateers with letters of marque. If you have a letter, then you're generally treated as a soldier of the faction that wrote it and not directly held responsible for what you do within that scope. If you don't, then you're treated as a pirate, because you basically are. The marauder states and dead zones act as mercenary havens either because the governments there don't care if you've done crimes elsewhere or isn't effectual enough to do anything about you hanging around all piratey.
>>97053512To this day all of the great houses are doing the "hurr durr how to warship?" thing that they supposedly almost got over before the jihad.
>>97055172They actually completely got over it, the writers just... forgot. Or thought if they didn't mention how it all went away overnight, then nobody would ask. The Regulan fleet alone was powerful enough to MAD basically anyone else in the setting, and that was just one region of one great house.
>>97055172Didn't the Jihad destroy all the shipyards?
>>97054717>>97054729Maybe the old nueva castile parts of the scorpion empire since goliath scorpion is one of the least retarded(most integrationalist) clans.
>>97055035>>97055052>>97055102I don't like everything about Latin American culture(s), but this right here is more than the chuds ever contributed to the world.
>>97055189Even if it didn't, I guarantee Stone's bullshit prompted all the remaining ones to focus entirely on civilian jumpship construction.
>>97054717The Capellan March of the FedCom has a bunch of Mexicans.
>>97050823>>97050788In terms of visuals, the Daishi is a Stalker IIC with arms and a hat.
>boxes come "battlefield support" cards nowThe fuck are these? I finally decided to learn how to read alpha strike cards and they come out with some new shit again?
>>97055387Wait, is CGL discriminating against the illiterate? Someone needs to tell Bryan Young!
>>97054984>splash of Trench CrusadeBut no one's tits were out
>>97052508These PDFile tr00ny g00fball freaks are going to push normal people too far and then suddenly, everyone will vote in angry Austrian painter man.
>>97052508>BT writerthat doesnt really mean shit, there are lots of people who have written a thing or two they have featured in online mags and shit, they only have a few "major" writers who write the paperbacks, one or two of those are cucked though. the troons can fuck off
>>97052584Everything mechanical is female, UNLESS explicitly specified as male by being named FOR a man.
>>97053090You're joking, but this is what 4th wave feminists actually said and pushed.
>>97055474women are fickle and you have to give them constant attention or they'll turn on you. Old tradition of commanders saying your wife is the ship and your mistress is the sea. You wife has no problem throwing you to your whore if you don't treat her right.
>>97055466>everyone will vote in angry austrian painter manI need an SCP cosmic hitler.
>>97054162What makes this funny, in a gallows humour fashion, is that THIS is exactly how it went down at CGL. You fucking know they had that exact conversation.
>>97055472Also a moderator of the official reddit. This person represents them and handles their community and feels perfectly comfortable ranting about how they need to kick the evil chuddies (you) out of the community.
how did BT "push gender norms" in the past? a few ambiguously lesbian characters? i feel like that is a huge stretch to say some 1980s lesbo muscle girl fantasies can be read as "sodomites and transvestites"
>>97055538If you mean push as in break, then it always had action women on the front lines, and importantly they weren't specifically described as breaking gender norms. Nobody looked at Nasty K or other female mechwarriors and thought it was weird for women to be mechwarriors. The "gender norms" simply didn't impact one's ability to be a soldier. A lot of other media with strong action women made a point of them being unusual or exceptional because women just aren't supposed to do that. In BT, gender and race just aren't factors that hold you back. Except for the Dracs and Canopians, Dracs because they're the backwards bad guys and Canopians for fetish reasons.
>>97055561>dracs>backwards bad guys
>>97055466Cry about it chud. We're the future. You can't stop progress.
>>97055561>Nobody looked at Nasty K or other female mechwarriors and thought it was weird for women to be mechwarriors.Jesus, BT has been pozzed from the beginning by wokeism, hasn't it? It's never even had a chance to be good.
>>97055593Next you'll tell me that there were multicultural black men from the beginning.
>>97055620It was based?
>>97055620>slippersI thought MechWarriors wore heavy boots because the floor got hot.
>>97055620>>97055625Is this GDL?
>>97055628Locust pilots are freaks and also it was the big succ, any equipment at all may be in low to no supply at any given time.
>>97055561>importantly they weren't specifically described as breaking gender normsThat's more of a 90's thing. The whole "yeah, she's a girl, problem? she can kick butt with the best of them!" was invented after the matter had already been solved by just throwing some women into your scifi if you wanted them. This metastasized with the invention of the sidecut, so it's only got worse. This is a valuable observation that being overly aware of writing tropes and wanting to subvert notions usually just makes things way worse for everyone.
>>97055635yea. reminder these are the "good guys" and that "barely legal" woman is Grayson's future slampig.
>>97055657>subverting tropes is badI too like my fiction extremely formulaic and predictable just like my daily interactions.
>>97055673You forgot the gigachad image.
>>97055657That's also why BT is better than a lot of the media that did stuff like that, if you make a big deal out of it, then you're wrapping back around to not really being that inclusive or progressive or whatever. The danger hairs will say that making the women hot is just as bad as making them all stay at home stepford wives, but fuck them (not literally though, I ain't no sadist). The same is true for gay stuff, all those gay fanfics that are all about super stereotype flaming rainbow inverted backwards hyper plus faggots are less progressive than just having a character who happens to be gay. But then it wouldn't be a gay magazine, so it's a wash.
quad mechs are canonically only piloted by women. the posture is more natural.
>>97055687In my headcanon the Assassin has to be piloted like this
>>97055687Is that why they skitter to and fro?
>>97055635The very first novel, Decision At Thunder Rift
I love the hetzer. It screams from the warp in micromachine and I can't unhear it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O03WLn8SzaE
>>97055723The Hetzer is cute but for barely more BV you can get a Saladin.
>>97055702Personally, I think the Assassin should have the big SPT Layzner fighter jet canopy like in the computer games, but it's still cramped and uncomfortable because the ergonomics of the pilot seat and control panel are completely fucked, in keeping with it being an incompetently designed pork job.
Phelan Kell is a freeborn bastard who has no claim to the Ward name. No claim at all
The mag clamps are placed kind of weird on the Fa Shih. Do they get shot out like grapple hooks or something?
>>97055686As someone with limited time for hobbies due to work and family obligations, the only settings and media I find compelling enough to be worth the investment are those which pander, either subtly or blatantly, to gooners. I feel strongly enough about this that I'm considering leaving my day job to found a kind of Sweet Baby-like consultancy to advise companies on how to make their properties more appealing to coomers in order to boost sales, epecially now that the cultural zeigeist seems to be swinging this way as a after years of DEI-enforced desexualization.Battletech is a great lost opportunity because it has a solid lore reason for why mech pilots have to wear nothing at all and Clanners all genetically-engineered 10/10 looking Grecian gods, but instead of capitalizing on this to make cute girls in animu plugsuits, you get this
Redemption Rift uploaded to the designated trove.
>>97055769Vlad is that you
>>97055769Your waifu thinks of her older brother while you have sex with her, if she let you at all
>>97055673I've become extremely tired of modern culture's chronic addiction to subversion and have found myself more appreciative than ever of basic traditional stereotypes.>the good guy was a bad guy all along and the humans are actually the bad guysMiss me with this gay shit, I've seen it enough times.
>>97055881making the good guy actually a good guy in a world of subversion is how you end up with superman, that character. And he's lame. You're also in the wrong setting if you want that sort of thing. They're all petty power hungry despots by different means.Also, subverting a trope doesn't mean inversing everything as a whole. It's a wall's worth of dials and levers to be manipulated. What's fun about the setting is that trying to be the "good guys" invariably results in your faction getting raped and beaten until the flanderized remnants are scattered into the other factions. Like our brothers and sisters in blake, the jihadist technohorrors.
>>97055912>subverting a trope doesn't mean inversing everything as a wholeSomeone needs to tell them that, because it's not what they do.>What's fun about the setting is Anime mechs. The writing fucking sucks and if you didn't check out of any developments after the clans, you're never gonna learn.
>>97055925in today's writing. having a lesbian that doesn't hate all the male characters is subversive
>>97055925>The writing fucking sucks and if you didn't check out of any developments after the clansEven with the introduction of the clans, any information beyond them being some mysterious punishment from god-barbarians with supertech and power armored super soldiers just revealed them to be irreparably retarded.Battletech as a setting, in terms of political setup, had a good foundation with the basic premise of the star league and succession wars but everything afterwards has been so fucking stupid and nonsensical in general, and the way the writing just forces the victory of the clans over the rest of the setting is awfully done, it's all been spoiled.All it really has that I find at all compelling at this point is the military technology.
Can you be a merc, killimg others for profit, and a good guy at the same time? Only defensive contracts and/or pirates and bounty hunting?
>>97055925>The writing fucking sucksIn all fairness, the writing literally cannot be good, because of the nature of the source material. There is no circumstance in which the writing ever CAN be good. You either lean into tropes or ignore them, for example, but both options are wrong because everyone is aware of both options and everyone has seen countless examples of both options, so therefore nothing can ever be new an exciting. It's the same reason why film critics have a shelf life: after a while you've been exposed to so much media you're irrevocably jaded and unable to genuinely enjoy something. This is just as true for books or gaming lore as it is for seeing films.
>>97056013It's not overly difficult for a mercenary company to just rely on contracts that only put them into conflict with military, terrorist or pirate forces.
>>97056013You cannot be a living human and be a good guy, because by virtue of your existence you are depriving another living thing of resources and are therefore evil for taking that from them.
>>97056023Writing does not need to be new or exciting to be good, it just needs to be interesting in some way and not retarded. Things can easily be mundane and uninspired and still enjoyable."New" is not inherently good. Jihad and RoTS were "new".
>>97055702I could see quad BA being driven like that
>>97056030>you are depriving another living thing of resources and are therefore evil for taking that from themEvery living thing in existence does not deserve resources simply for existing. Giving free stuff to everyone is not a moral good, some people deserve to have less than they do.
>>97056013My main merc group does its best to only take contracts that are "good guy" missions. In campaign play it sometimes means less favorable terms and smaller payouts, but I stick with that theme for them. I have my Kuritan corporate security if I want to go do shady shit, and Capellans if I feel like warcrimes.
>>97056051>some people deserve to have less than they do.I agree with you that we should kill everyone who has more than a million dollars.
>>97056013You can, it's just gonna be difficult or low-profit. Coasting on eternal garrison jobs will pay your bills, but it's not going to meaningfully advance your career or pay out so you can go retire on your own private island somewhere. "Mercenary" is also the easiest legal structure to construct private military forces even if they aren't profit oriented. The Knights of St. Cameron do a lot of free pirate hunting and defensive missions on behalf of local communities because they're meant to be the benevolent military arm of a space religion, but they are mercenaries so they can also pivot to big government garrison jobs when their debt catches up to their paltry salvage and donation income. If some philanthropist mechwarrior wanted to gather some buds and go save a world just because it's the right thing to do, filing the paperwork to make it a mercenary company will let them slip through borders and avoid the awkwardness that might arise from them just being associated with the sponsor's government. And if the funding dries up, they can go hunting for morally acceptable and paying work along the way.
>>97056051>some people deserve to have less than they doThis. Exactly this. Only people from my country and ethnic group and religious belief actually DESERVES things. Nobody else does. You're all stealing from us, and we're going to take back what's ours soon enough.
>>97056013Extraction missions to rescue POWs or abuse victims or slaves (including Capellan servitors, since servitors are also slaves, just with a different spelling). You know you're a good guy if you're stopping slavery, and only bad guys would argue in favor of an unequal system where people can be bought, sold, or owned, by other people.
I feel like many "evil" jobs wouldn't pay that much because there's not that much money in wanton cruelty, and there's little skill required. Sure, you're probably gonna get asked to false flag or burn a city center down every so often, but compared to the amount of higher complexity and risk fights against other military structures, it can't be that common or equally profitable.Even pirate raiding would be against things that are worth your time attacking, which are almost all going to be military structures. You're not boarding a train and asking the womenfolk to give you their pearl necklaces to pay for your mechs upkeep. You'd probably have to steal the train.
Anybody got the illust only version of with? Without titles and stuff, just robot and shit
>>97056118A lot of it is stuff like kidnapping or assassination with zero concern for collateral. Your shady employer wants to seriously short the competition or do one of those literal hostile takeovers. Or kill striking workers, people "squatting" on their soon to be profitable land, etc. Some of the bad guy jobs are going to be cakewalks. They might not be the highest paying thing you could be doing right now, but you're only expending machine gun ammo and white paint. All that hush money is pure profit.
The Clans, are nothing more than Caesar's Legion in space
>>97056153The clans predate caesar's legion by decades.
>>97055831Thank you.
>>97056142Here you go.
>>97056151I'd imagine Battle Armor would end up getting used a lot since they'd have relatively cheaper access to stealth armor and systems. Maybe that's why Cappies are so willing to sell Ying Longs and Shen Longs to mercs. Mimetic armor's usually supposed to be rare.
>>97056186Great. Thank you kind sir
Damn, how huge will this building be if it was map scale?
>>97056200Is that a repair bay?
>>97056200I guess about 90m across and a similar amount high?
>>97056200Quite ridiculous.
>>97056211That's more of a factory size, then?
What makes the Gargoyle the proverbial GoodMech and not at all a shitmech?I like the A and the E variants but the E seems quite obviously cheesed up.
Are the variants from Gothic canon?
>>97056096>an unequal system where people can be bought, sold, or owned, by other people.Literally how every successful civilization was built. There's nothing wrong with owning lesser humans. That's what they exist for. They certainly won't contribute anything of note to humanity in their own. Enslavement of minorities and women is enshrined in the word of God and is the natural state of humanity. And your an enemy of humanity for being opposed to it. I can only hope that you and everyone like you gets the sudden drop and a sharp stop you deserve.
>>97056286Nothing does. There's no such thing as a 5/8 80 ton Mech that even CAN be good. The engine weigh too much and always will. Make it a proper 3/5 like the Awesome and it would be better in every possible way. Fast assaults are always a mistake.
>>97056304Anon its a Clanmech, 4/6. However a 4/6 LBX/SRM carrier in a default config would be rather handicapped. Could be more believable as a mainstay frontliner with MASC and a few ER lasers. You'll just have to handwave away its overlap with the Executioner.
>>97056286Gargoyle is an objectively worse Timber Wolf. It's mostly worse than a Mad Dog, too.The A is good because literally no Mech can't be made good by two CERPPCs.
>>97056153And yet Battletech has failed to achieve even a fraction of the mainstream cultural impact of New Vegas
They should make a mech where the pilot sits like an F1 car, then you could just build a small armoured box around the pilots head with a small glass viewing port to look out of, it would be such a small target it would be hard to head shot
>>97056316Thank God. Being in the mainstream ruins literally fucking everything. The fewer people who experience a game, the better that game can be.
>>97056320That is probably what Inner Sphere protomechs will be if we ever get there.
>>97056291Ones with the light blazer are Unofficial it seems
>>97056320>brother mechtech can you build me a heavy gear
>>97056393But it won't go zoom
>>97056384>Inner Sphere protomechsStill think that should be the Juggernaught
>>97056304Man your retarded.
Damn, I know CGL doesn't know what to do with the ilClan, but I fucking hope they go into CGB vs. Draconis war soon
>>97054149W-What about the Alpha Strike box setTo be fair, the Mercs box did have 4 more models in it, but fuck Gothic's price point.
>>97054237>heckin kaijus in their stompy robot gameOkay but you don't have to be a Reddit fag to think this is cool, you fag.>>97054262I warned the local FLGS owner of this exact thing. "Buy five of the core box, I promise they'll sell. I know three people already who will buy one". He asked me about the salvage boxes, and I asked "who the fuck buys those?".We still have two full boxes of the salvage boxes left...>>97054350Fucking this. I played with them once, they were a fun addition like, say, Battle Armor is.
>>97054465>The people working on the mechs and writing the setting are doing this during downtime between main projects so this gives them something to doGoThIc DeLaYeD NoThiNG!!!
>>97054465>IlClan era setting is fucking shit but they can't change things anymore than they already haveStar Adder invasion that genocides the IS clans down to micro states
>Triple-Strength Myomer>Look inside>Doubles melee damage
>>97056603It depends on the shop I guess. My LGS didn't maybe order piles of them, but they sold out every time.The problem is the quality control and structure. The sets aren't broad enough to really make opening one that special, so it doesn't have a sealed product vibe, and on the other hand there's no control for rarity, tonnage or really anything on them, so there's no games you can play issuing them out at random that won't get super unbalanced without opening them up first to resort them.I'm not necessarily promoting an expansion to blind box product (we all know how dark age went), but if they are going to have it there's a lot of things they need to improve to make it really popular.
>>97056667Battletech shouldn't have blind box product at all.
So did the Aces rulebook leak yet? I'm trying to find out if you have to use the mechs from the box or can use anything in your collection.
>>97057337>can use anything in your collection.I don't see why ypu wouldn't, just switch out the mech and its rule card
>>97057360In case the enemy deck is balanced with the players playing specific mechs or something like that, just making sure.
>>97057395From what i understand from friends who play alpha strike and own aces, the cards work based on unit role. (Brawler, missile boat, etc.) So if you have different units that fit the same role the cards should still work
>>97056856>Battletech shouldn't have blind box product at all.Agreed. It should fall under those exploitative gambling laws as it’s just as dishonest, slimey and gay.
>>97055825But Anon... THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!>>97056667>>97057542>Agreed. It should fall under those exploitative gambling laws as it’s just as dishonest, slimey and gay.This said, I wouldn't mind if it wasn't re-shelled like the Lego Minifigure "Blind" Boxes, with some kind of code allowing you to tell what was in a particular box.Most don't want a company of Gothic Atlases, but I personally wouldn't mind having a King Crab or a Scorpion.
>>97057574>Gothic atlas"It's not just a phase mom ugh!"
What would they fly?
>>97057603The problem is like half of the Gothic Salvage Boxes are one of the Atlas regional variants, while a guy at my FLGS also has a demi-company of Gothic Firestarters.I got an Violet Crux Atlas and the Phoenix Hawk, but again I wanted a Scorpion or a King Crab.
>>97057839The pattern I saw is that per box, you get two each of 3 normal mechs and 3 Atlases with two variants between them.
>>97056200>map scaleSo right now it's mechscale?Then map scale would make it smaller, dumbass.
>>97058020I think he's asking how big it would be if you said it's mapscale now.
>>97058024>if it wasnot>if it is
got a drac atlas out of the single i got. nlg dont like the cape. if those tourists at CLG really want to make blind boxes work they should release a set of blind boxes with a bunch of popular mechs and encourage playing like MTG tournaments.
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