Dwarf philosophy edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous thread:>>97037692>Thread question:What's the upper limit of fantasy elements you accept in your faction? For example in dwarfs, are gyrocopters going too far for you?
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Quick box is better to start a smol VC force?
>>97045204>QuickWhich*
>>97045204Left one because you need a dude who can do magic.
>>97045204Get both, but get the first one first.
Painted BP bombard and BP organ gun for muh Renegade Crowns army.
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>>97045204blood knights and vargheists cost more, points wise, so it will feel like you're building your army faster
>>97045253Can it turn?
>>97045186>>97045199>>97045228Cheers for answers, so why did GW do a 180 and basically reintroduce it? Is it a younger generation showing interest after exposure to the CA video games, or a nostalgia cash grab? Or something else? I'm just worried I'm going to get into something for GW to take it away again
>>97045253Looks dumb but at least it’s not over designed >>97045238Throughly boring for warriors. I haven’t seen all the items though.
>>97045262They want the rank and flank audience.> I'm just worried I'm going to get into something for GW to take it away againThey won’t do that for any of its pillars unless they want to lose their shareholders
>>97045262It's because Creative Assembly created a popular trilogy of real-time strategy video games based on Warhammer Fantasy Battles, and Games Workshop hoped that some of that popularity would translate to sales of toy soldiers.
>>97045262They found out that AoS setting is quite unpopular, they lost a lot of good faith among player base - plus the popularity of Warhammer-based video games like Total War or Vermintide made them re-think their bussiness choices. Plus they figured out they can earn some nostalgia bucks. Then the success of the game was so big, to GW surprise, they decided to "enlarge the scope" and from a small specialist game, it took its place as fully fledged game - where it should be.
>>97045238China #1/10
>>97045262for a number of reasons, gw grew massively some time after they canned fantasy, so they feel safe enough to try again, and fantasy in the meanwhile has gained nostalgic value and popularity thanks to videogames (both total war and vermintide)if there's uncertainty regarding what's going to happen to this new fantasy editions is in 2 things:GW as a company is moving away from metal and resin to use only plastic, and that means that one day models that are currently in metal or resin might get removed again, and not necessarily with a plastic replacement.The internal dynamics going on between the two main subdivisions of gw: the one that manages the main games (aos, 40k, kill team, underworlds, qarhammer quest) and the one that manages the others (horus heresy, the old world, blood bowl, necromunda). This division of both games, products and IPs seems to be a division in budgets and sales too, they're essentially in competition with themselves and some factions/units/concepts are getting handled like kids in a divorce. For example TOW getting beastmen meant that AoS lost them, AoS having seraphon, skaven, ogres, chaos dwarfs, color coded chaos, vampires and dark elves still, means that TOW cannot officially support them, so as of now they're only getting "legacy" rules, not very good ones either in places, and it's up in the air whether TOW will ever manage to get those factions back with their old models, or even with brand new models, because it's possible that the competition between the two sides means that they'll try to specialise about what they're doing and how they're doing stuffIf you want to get into this and have absolutely no rug pulled from underneath you, you would have to buy only the absolute newest plastic stuff for a faction, cathay is safe, all of it is new and plastic, the new chaos marauders are safe, the older chaos stuff, even the plastic one, not necessarily, we already have rumors for new kits for warriors, chosen and knights
>>97045259...you into paste? yes
>>97045238It sucks. There are exactly 2 magic items worth taking and the chaotic traits are boring.
>>97045204In terms of points? The bloodcrave box has a lot more of them.But in terms of providing a versitile core for your army? I would consider the tomb host. More bodies, cheaper units, and both grave guard and black knights are easy to slot into your list (as opposed to BKs and vargheists)
>>97045238Path to Glory seems decent, but it should have been in the same book as Battle Match
>>97045238I dont like the new marauder profiles. They seem like nerfs to already not very good units.
>>97045340I think some of the new weapons are cool. The arcane items seem solid. The banners seem fun, and the "no killing blow" talisman is interesting.
>>97045415Am I missing something? They got light armour for free and gained horde. They lost marks but got access to chaotic traits. Is losing access to frenzy that big a loss?
>TQ>For example in dwarfs, are gyrocopters going too far for you?Yes, actually. I don't know it this will be an unpopular opinion, but I unironically think the aerostats are less of an eyesore than actual fucking helicopters. While I acknowledge that there's anachronism in Warhammer, this particular jump always stands out to me. Even the Skaven who shamelessly jump much further into the future don't pull this shit, but the hyper traditionalist dwarfs did it long ago?I don't know, I guess it just feels like these contraptions are way more widespread than the relatively simpler lighter-than-air ships, when I think the places should be switched in terms of how common they are, if not outright scrubbing the 'copters. Incidentally, I used to mind them less when their older models presented them as delicate, thin frames to keep them light, but now they're absolute units.
>>97045460They were 6ppm before with light armor as 1ppm werent they? Now theyre 7ppm but with light armor built in, you just lost an option. Horsemen lost javelins for no reason.Also yea, marks are a lot better than the current cults. Frenzy is potentially +50% damage.
>>97045193Had a 1250p game today, we rolled for what battle scenario and got Break Point.My opponent got the first turn and blasted my ungors and razorgor out of existence and made 3 wounds on my ghorgon.On my turn all I could really do was move my units up, after another round of shooting attacks against my Bestigors and Ghorgon I made it into combat with nearly all my units. Except for my Beastlord and the Bestigors, whom I also rolled stupid on the gaze of the gods table.After that it was a downward spiral of failing leadership tests, fleeing and getting shot until my army was broken and I lost the game. Had a good time tho rolling dice and bantering.
>>97045467Here’s the army itself too, my apologies for having unpainted and half-finished minis.
>>97045472Compared to you opponent, you are doing a good job with painting your mini anon
>>97045193>>97045462Im kinda in the same boat, I know its an unpopular position to be in but I really dont like them, especially in their current iteration.I think as you say they are way too refined and solid looking, almost sci fi to a point and I think it clashes with the rest of the dwarf aesthetics. I do agree the more ramshackle and experimental looking early designs worked better, you could really imagine older dwarfs being horrified at such creations, but the newer ones look more refined than 90% of the entire army.My other one I hate is the old Empire Mechanical Steed. It just feels like flanderisation of the faction.That said, keep in mind Im pretty sure both these things were really added into the game in the dark era of 2005-2015, when steampunk was gaining a foothold in popular culture before everyone suddenly realised how dogshit it was.To a lesser extent I also hate that empire laser carriage thing, but thats more because I think its just a shit model.
>>97045465Ive been seeing people saying theyre still 6ppm and get light armour in all the reviews? Old world builder is still out of date.Yeah cults are garbage, I dont know what they were thinking with them.I feel the chaotic traits are more of a sidegrade if anything, also if you are doing an at all god themed army and khorne is the only one really worth taking as a mark you kinda get limited there.
>>97045484The gyrocopter is quite old actually, this was from '94 and it's possible there were earlier mentions or depictions
>>97045119>Tatar/Cossack is Ukrainian tropeabsolutely but the point is that the only historical empire that had winged hussars, cossacks and tatars is the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. Also Kislev is a jewish word and you know, Poland is/was full of jews and Poland does have the sound 'V' if not the letter, and the name is anglicized so its hardly relevant.
>>97045484>To a lesser extent I also hate that empire laser carriage thing, but thats more because I think its just a shit model.Same. I didn't see fit to mention it because my dislike is purely aesthetic. In terms of being "too fantastic", it's simply a magic contraption mounted on a wagon. Can't deny its existence over that.Now the SKYCUTTER, on the other hands, fails on every level, at least in my opinion. No amount of justification on how it flies with magic can make it look any less horrendous, and even if you buy the magic flotation device, it still looks dumb as fuck in motion in my head, and it got justified now that it exists in the video game.
>>97045415>Light armor for free>Ambusher option for free>Horde + Warband which is a very strong rule combo>30mm base which is a side gradeOh man these nerfs.. please play a game of The Old World first before commenting on rules
>>97045504Oh yeah thats what I mean, that one you pictured looks like its experimental and risky, the plastic kits look more well built and refined than anything else in the range or even the setting. When I said introduced around 2005-2015 (the worst decade in human culture in history) I was referring to the new plastic redesigns but I wasnt very clear there.Im not a huge fan of that old kit but I think it fits much much better into the army design wise.
>>97045238T5 infantry really shouldn't be a 2 point hand out
>>97045479Thanks Anon
>>97045513Oh god the fucking skycutter. I keep forgetting how much stupid shit was introduced to warhammer fantasy in its last years.
>>97045513>Now the SKYCUTTER, on the other hands, fails on every level, at least in my opinion.Isnt the skycutter a Lothern specific unit like it starts and land on water? I always assumed that it functions like a hovercraft and the eagle is pulling it.
>>97045193Do we know if the chaos maurader set is a limited run? I’m gutted I never got a chance to order one
>>97045305>the one that manages the main games (aos, 40k, kill team, underworlds, qarhammer quest) and the one that manages the others (horus heresy, the old world, blood bowl, necromunda).So... is that why ToW, BB, and Necromunda are good? Does that mean horus heresy is good?
>>97045462The plastic gyros were 8th edition trash so I don't blame you, the older ones have that "crazy fucking engineer trying his latest invention" feel and were rare + high points cost to express that. Now in a much earlier time period we have MORE gyros that are special and come in fucking SQUADRONS, and they're also highly sleek in design? Get outta here.
>>97045546The reinforcement box is a FOMO box. The kits themselves will be released as separate boxes at some point, either December or January
>>97045517Going from 25mm to 30mm is not a side grade, it's an objective improvement in all aspects save for unit maneuverability. Being able to have characters join units of marauders without base size incompatibility is a huge improvement, being more resistant to templates is good, and marauders always have A1 now so they will never lose out on attacks by being wider. However, losing access to marks means they have lost four potential roles: sorcerer bunkers with the mark of tzeentch, mark of khorne + flails + skirmish, shield + light armour + mark of nurgle chaff, and great weapons + skirmish + mark of slaanesh for +1I during the first round of combat. This is, in all regards, a massive nerf to their versatility. This isn't even addressing the fact people (with the exception of players using the Wolves of the Sea list, and even then they weren't using regular marauders) weren't using marauders for anything and now the few niche roles they could have filled are just gone. Having the privilege of paying +2ppm for +1 toughness doesn't compensate for that.
>>97045462>While I acknowledge that there's anachronism in Warhammer, this particular jump always stands out to me.It is surely more of a matter of the concept of copters being way more practical to sculpt, cast and sell, and carry around and play with on a table, compared to models of hot air balloons, but if I'm not mistaken, even historically the theory of flight with rotor blades got studied before air buoyancy.It's just that there was no way on earth to realistically power any mechanism to achieve lift that way.So if we imagine dwarfs as having discovered some kind of efficient fuel way early, then it's not too impossible to imagine copters as appearing before balloons.And they must have some miraculous fuel for such small aircrafts (I like to think it's fantasy beer, or fluids from dragon organs).But then again, it's still weird the traditional dwarfs would be pioneers for this specific thing over others, it easily looks silly in a bad way, and even then they would have probably invented planes first.
>>97045503>Ive been seeing people saying theyre still 6ppm and get light armour in all the reviews? Old world builder is still out of date.Oh, nvm then, Its a buff I guess.
>>97045555Ambusher was pretty useless in a pre 1.5 TOW, but this is a different game. Wolves of the Sea actually did see more play post 1.5, which is why Ambusher is now a baseline ability for Marauders.
>>97045563>And they must have some miraculous fuel for such small aircraftsIsnt dwarf alcohol so strong that other races cant drink it? So maybe it runs on ethanol fuel
>>97045527Ok this kind of leads me to a maths question that my semi dyslexic brain is not sure on:Does it matter where in a rolling sequence a plus or minus one bonus goes?Like does is roll thats a 3+ to hit, a 4+ to wound and then a 5+ armour save mathematically identical to a 3+ to hit, a 5+ to wound and a 4+ armour save?
>>97045505Why the fuck would GW be inspired by hebrew word as the name of slavic-based country for crying out loud?It's most probably Kiev + Slav words that inspired the name.PLC had very few Cossack and Tatar units for a short period of time (30 years?) - and almost all of them betrayed Poland during 17th century wars. The problem is, in Polish terminology of that time, native cavalry units were called by the origin, so medium cavalry was called "cossack cavalry" (jazda kozacka - "riding LIKE cossacks"), light cavalry (jazda tatarska - "riding LIKE Tatars) etc. They WEREN'T Tatar or Cossack units - they were Polish units made of Poles. It's a confusing factor when non-native is reading about Polish cavalry. Even Pole who doesn't know a thing about Polish 17th century military confuses those terms. Real Tatar or Cossack units were rare - and occured very early in PLC history.
>>97045555>shield + light armour + mark of nurgle chaffThey went down a point, Id say taking the new marauders +1 T for the same points as old marauders with mark of nurgle is an improvement in 90% of cases
>>97045579yes, it's all the sametake 100 attacks3+ to hit means, 2/3 must be takenthen of those, 4+ is 1/2then of those, 5+ is 1/3100 x 2/3 x 1/2 x 1/3 = 11,11...change the order to 100 x 2/3 x 1/3 x 1/2 and it's still 11,11... the order doesn't matter on multiplications
>>97045578Dark elves drink dwarf vodka. Its a "stay warm" drink for when youre out in the snow.
>>97045527>T5 infantry really shouldn't be a 2 point hand outIts not*Its limited to light armor infantry, so marauders.
>>97045602Ok I was like 90% sure that it was so but I wasn't 100%, thanks heaps! Definitely going to help make some value decisions easier in the future.
>>97045579>Like does is roll thats a 3+ to hit, a 4+ to wound and then a 5+ armour save mathematically identical to a 3+ to hit, a 5+ to wound and a 4+ armour save?>does order of operations matter in multiplicationNo.2x3x4 is the same as 4x2x3
>>97045608I think he means the berzerkers you can take in wolves of the sea. I dont really see them actually being a problem at all at t5 though
>>97045619>>97045608Ok these sort of beg the question: is it worth taking the T5 upgrade on Huskarls? Since you can take a 1 point upgrade to heavy armour and effectively have the same mathematical effect in 90% of all cases
>>97045619they were already a problem
>>97045619Yea, hence the asterisk. Its not so much "t5 infantry" as "t5 in a very specific situation"I dont know if t5 berserkers are worth it, but it does sound potentially obnoxious. Theyre like 10ppm at that point, potentially a very cost effective holding unit vs other infantry.
>>97045630I feel like strength up is much more rare than AP on the Huscarls greatest weakness (shooting) so for me it's a no brainer. Most shooting is gonna be strength 3 or more rarely 4 against them.
>>97045544I think it's the eagle that truly kills it. If it was some magical creature that actually levitates, like those flying horse chariots from indian myth, I think my brain could come to terms with the image of it riding through the sky, or even standing still mid-air. But you get a normal ass eagle, and now it NEEDs to be flapping its wings or gliding forward in order not to fall off and it becomes silly.Should've just gone with the easiest option and just make Lothern soldiers riding on an eagle's back like the wood elves do, but I guess then there would be overlap and we can't have that.
>>97045596It depends on what you're trying to chaff. Going from T3 to T4 won't help them bog up a dragon lord, but forcing said dragon lord to re-roll 6s to hit might. The new marauders will be better at chaffing infantry and maybe cavalry, but will that even really be useful (especially with restrain & reform being a possibility) and how expensive these T4 shield marauders are?
>>97045585Kislev is roughly December in the Hebrew calendar so it alludes to the place being wintry. You are perhaps not aware how significant jewish culture and settlement was in the historical regions referenced by the faction. Again if they wanted to be a very on the nose reference to Russia they'd have called it Muscovy or possibly something like Novgorod. As for the nomenclature or period, Kislev is just a mashing together of all those cultures and not a historical fact, my point is simply that it is easy for GW to dissociate Kislev from Russia because they only thing uniquely Russian about it is the title of Tzar (a Polish king even assumed the title though), and Poland is the next closest historical nation they could tie it to. I don't actually think GW have any issue with it, it's purely an internal decision.
>>97045707>Poland is the next closest historical nation they could tie it to.Like I said - I disagree. I feel zero Polish vibes from Kislev - apart from those wings, but again - winged lancers look more like Mongolian cavalry with wings bolted to their back, than Polish winged hussars. Recent concept art and Total War show even more Mongolian aescethics in Kislev. So again - nope. There will be no polonisation of Kislev, if anything - they gonna be more similiar to Cathay - aescethically and lore-wise.
>>97045707They Ungols/Gospodar split is also very Russian. The current geographic state of Kislev in TOW stretching out to the east is also very Russian.
>>97045298And never forget it.
>>97045253>daemon railgun with a barrel made out of warpgates cooleverything else about the carriage is cartoonishly dumb
>>97045843the tribes are ass backwards by historical standards, the Cossacks didn't originate from the baltic like the Ungols sort of do in Kislev and white Russians didn't originate from eastern steppe nomads like the Gospodars do so it is a reversal of the historical situation. Also even if Kislev in TOW stretches out to the east, the heartlands are more like Poland and Ukraine with big rivers, oblasts, the not-Baltic and bordering not-Germany.
>>97045922Why did they design her to look like a simian sea-prostitute?
>>97045993If you read " Something Rotten in Kislev" ("Enemy Within" campaign) you'd know Kislev is basically Russia with Mongolian admixture. Names, bestiary, mythology - everything is very clearly eastern Slavic, you won't find there even a drop of Polish folklor or culture. Zip. Nada.
>>97046001She's transcendentally beautiful and much taller than common folk.
>>97045193What points value should I be playing if I’m brand new to ToW?
>>97046078SRiK is even weirder in that version since it's non-chaotic Norsemen who are the ruling class, not the Ungols or the Gospordars
>>97046116If you just want to give the system a try, go for 500-750 points since that's the points cost for Battle March
>>97046001thats her side gig
i just saw the most brilliant fucking idea on Pinterest pic related. You magnetize the waist and the weapon arm and BOOM you can have your cavalry double as infantry or dismount if you playing in an edition that allows that.I found scans of the old Bretonnia and I'm gunna do this with my knights. Fuck this is so cool.
>>97046192Its a good idea if the model allows it. But the mounted legs are often different to the foot ones (or the torso doesent work the same way)
>>97045922>no added featuring dante from the devil may cry series
>Imagine being the guy who advised GW to modernize Kislev for TOW by doubling down with "bears, ice, bears, FOR THE MOTHERLAND!, bears, ice, bears, Tzar, bears, ice, Tzarina, the Orthodox church, bears riders > winged lancers"
>>97045922wouldnt be surprised if miao goes home as soon as she gets the news that the great wall was breached in her absence.
>>97046316Yea but Kat x Meow is a cute ship.
>>97046332both part of azraels harem
Going to do my fucking best to do a proper battle report today.Here's the list, don't know what the enemy is playing.Beastmen Brayherds, Wild Herd, Open War, [1499]Great Bray-Shaman, Braystaff, Wizard [Level 3 Wizard], General, On foot, Hagtree Fetish, Skin of Man, Chalice of Dark Rain, Lore of Primal Magic - 245Warhoof, Heavy armour, Throwing axes, Javelins, Ambushers, Ruby Ring of Ruin, Mangelder, Pelt of Midnight, Muscular Monstrosity - 236Primal Warherd, Foe-render (champion) [Great weapon], Standard bearer [Banner of Outrage], 10x Gors [5x Hand weapons + Shields + 5x Additional hand weapons], 10x Ungors [10x Thrusting spears + Shields], Full Command - 17210 Ungor Herd, Shortbows, Ambushers - 5012 Ungor Herd, Shortbows, Ambushers - 721 Razorgor Herd, Hand weapons (tusks), Light armour (calloused hide) - 527 Centigor Herd, Great weapons, Javelins, Ambushers, Gorehoof [Scourge of the Burdened] - 187Cockatrice, Hand weapons (claws), Petrifying gaze, Heavy armour (scaly skin) - 170Herdstone - 100Cygor, Hand weapon (claws), Hurl attack, Light armour (calloused hide) - 215
>>97046337>azraelI didn't think Space Marines, apart from Fulgrim's Boys(female) had enough of a sex drive to keep a harem.
>>97046346wait is the slaaneshy fag called something else?
>>97046349azazel, I think
>>97046357Oh, right.
>>97046346All space marines keep harems of young boys to sodomise and get sodomised by, and sometimes turn trans human.
>>97046349You're thinking of Azazel
>>97046349You're thinking of Azazel.Both are named angels from old Jewish lore. Azrael is the angel of death, Azazel is either the devourer or the goat who carries Israel's sins or the fallen angel cast out of heaven for pulling a Prometheus and teaching humanity forbidden knowledge. Though instead of fire, he taught humans warfare... and cosmetics.
Lazy proof of concept for an "Ancestral Warriors" unit from the game, but is it too shit an idea/execution? Low on time currently for painting such detailed infantry so looking for ways to expedite some squads so the time and detail can go onto other units.
>>97046392Should be blue, green makes him look like a warpstone terracotta
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>>97046392I'm not feeling it, possibly avenues would be having a zenithal look to it (maybe reversed?) and/or some otherworldly color coming from eyes and mouth at the very least
>>97046394>>97046406Yeah, I may screw around with him a bit further just to see if I can make anything of it
A new edition of the Nagash Omnibus is coming next week (plus some other bullshit):https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/xxrvgot1/sunday-preview-prepare-to-enter-the-jade-abbey-in-warhammer-quest-darkwater/
>>97046392A bit too simple to sell the ethereal idea imo, looks like a greenstuff project you still have to start painting lel.Maybe look into AoS nighthaunt stuff for inspiration?
>>97046426is this the book series where Nehekara had guns from Cathay along with balloons?
>>97046316where else can you take Kislev?
>>97046443yes
>>97046392As a proof of concept it's alright, but you can't escape the facial expression which is where the entire illusion shatters for me. I just can't accept that these soldiers are made from some inorganic material but have the expression of an organic being. It just looks too goofy in a bad way. The paint job itself is a banger though. I just don't know if these sculpts fit the style and aesthetic.
>>97046392>>97046421Need a skeleton face.
>>97046449According to anon(s) last thread, Poland.
>>97046449Personally, I'd love them to lean into Kislev as a time when the Orthodoxy is ascendant and the Ice Witches are in the fringes of society. This would be the true fantasy version of the Imperium, with religious fervor, paranoia, and intolerance of outsiders at an all time high.But they need hearts as hard and cold as the wastes in which they live. Otherwise Chaos could get in.
>>97046449The trash where it belongs
>>97046491Of course, I'd also love to see something leaning into slavic folklore with hags like Mother Ostankya and her spirits of the woods. But I would want those to be a distant secondary consideration to the mundane mainline Kislev. The rare exception to a Kislev army, not the rule.
>>97046486they already did that with winged hussars
>>97046486the most famous polish soldier of WW2 was a bear though.
>>97045415>horde+warband>nerfs ???
>>97046449add Kikimoras
>>97046491The Orthodoxy doesn't exist in the TOW setting. It was invented by Katarins dad as a way to unite a shattered realm. Kostaltyn is the first man to hold the title of Supreme Patriarch.
>>97046542it's just a nogames thinking they have an opinion
>>97046449HussarsWhatever that eastern europe imperial guard legion in 40k is
>>97046552>The Orthodoxy doesn't exist in the TOW setting.For now. GW will probably retcon the shit of that piece of fluff, in order to mimic more Total Warhammer's Kislev.I think it would be a bummer if it does happen, because I like how strong the cult of Ulric is in Kislev before Boris.
How wide should I go with graveguard 7 or 8?
>>97046634>Whatever that eastern europe imperial guard legion in 40k is>Give Kislev more Streltsi.Based.
>>97046426It feels like this is the third or fourth time the Nagash trilogy has been collected in an omnibus.
>>97046656Their aesthetic is nice and would make neat looking foot soldiers
>>97046542They already had warband, and theyre too expensive to run horde
>>97046656>more Streltsifunnily enough, aos is rumored to be getting human troops with muskets resting on bardiches tow kislev will probably get the gunaxes instead
>>97046449Considering how the time period goes back to before GW decided to erase the gospodar/ungol conflict? Well it's the perfect time to actually explore duality, and allow for the creation of thematic armies, like if you wanna play a band of ass-backwards ungols pretty much living in Troll Country with no ice casters, artillery or bears.
>>97045193>Dwarf philosophyDo as your Gods and leaders say?>What's the upper limit of fantasy elements you accept in your factionQuestion unclear, painting steam tanks.
>>97046750still pissed they didn't make the muskets for the WHTW3 streltsi out of bardiches and not just dumb axe heads
>>97046750While gun axes were historical (and used by Poles no less), they do seem like a more fantastical combi-weapon that would fit Smegmar more than Old World.
>>97046750AoS better not get Kislev before TOW, i'd rather they not have kislev at all it's better when each game has some unique stuff
>>97046716absolutely retarded take
>>97046773Notice how similiar their armor is to Cathay's soldiers.
>>97046775Polish infantry never use those.
>>97046775not even the first example in fantasy anon
>>97046777They're not getting kislev, just more cities of sigmar stuff: city giants, foot knights, a fortress on mechanical legs, a wizard character on chimera, some wizards on foot, a warpriest, and an elf hating general with a pet cat, and a piece of scenery allegedly.And said helmeted grenadiers.
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>>97046785Theyre 7ppm, 8 with shields. Give them a demonic gift/cult and theyre 10ppm+ for s3 Ap- A1 dudes in a faction with no shooting
>>97046856What marauders needed to be was just cheap. Make them 4ppm and ws3 or whatever idc. Either make them the cheap "meat" that chaos has always lacked or make them elite enough to actually hold their own and win in fights. As is, theyre neither and bad in both roles. The new changes didnt make that better, they made it worse, because you dont even have MoK for a potentially high damage output, you just have nothing.
>>97046750>aos get grounded and historically attested guns resting on bardiches>tow gets lol gunaxe it's both a gun and an axe get it lmaoHuh?
>>97046856>no shootingSure, if we ignore the absolutely bonkers magic shooting that they have. The only other faction that matches up to them is Beastmen and that's because of their broken magic item to reroll failed wound rolls.
miao ling should sit on my face and fart
>>97046923>the absolutely bonkers magic shooting that they havelolthey have what? that one arcane item that gives you a bound summoning? Gee theyre as good as viletide spam now!
>>97046878We're living in silly timesfor the next trick, aos keeps chaos warriors and knights with plain 6th ed style chaos armor, while tow gets trim hell warriors and knights that might as well be chosen
>>97046944She's occupied laying eggs.
>>97046878>>aos get grounded and historically attested guns resting on bardichesYeah and it sucks. If the Freeguild relaunch was just gonna rip off 40k's Imperial Guard then they could at least have gotten lasguns to top things off. But noooo, we gotta do handgonnes now for some reason.
>>97046945...no? Blue Fire is an insanely good Magic Missile that works on lot of things. Pair that with Battle Magic and you have a murderous caster. This is before adding any items or marks.Viletide otoh is carried entirely by the Hagtree Fetish. This does, inarguably, make the spell too strong. Without it it's a fairly mediocre spell that sounds spookier on paper as in practice the amount of wounds you are rolling with it aren't that high.The Rod of the Damned is slightly less useful now in 1.5 since the power level 2 actually means it's only getting a +1 to its casting roll. I'm not sure I'd take that if I was making a shooty Sorcerer. 40pts for a single level spell cast at +1 is quite high.
>>97047039Handgonnes are based thoughbeit and criminally underused in fantasy.
>>97046878Who told you the AOS's guns and bardiches wouldn't be silly and over designed ?
>>97046811both influenced by the steppe.
>>97046827They were used by Polish and German cavalry
>>97047166I'm not that anon, but I wouldn't qualify Blue Fire and a 4/6 (or 5/6 if you have the spell familiar) chance to get Fireball (which isn't even that good, AP0 really sucks) as "murderous". Remember, Pillar of Fire sucks now. And it's not like other armies can't do something similar, if not outright better. Orcs, Wood Elves, and Brets can all use an army lore spell to do that same combo as well and there's probably more that I'm missing too. Blue Fire is definitely nice but it's not overpowered. As for the Rod of the Damned, I sort of disagree. On a level 1 sorcerer with daemonology on a steed with the long strider chaotic trait might be pretty good, but even then I wouldn't call that murderous. There's nothing about chaos that particularly makes them stand out as a magic missile army and don't get me started on how awful the new spell lore is.
>>97046770>Dwarf philosophyIf its old and tested its based, if Its new and unproven, its cringe.shrimple as that.Any more mental energy spent on the topic is frivolous.
>>97047039>But noooo, we gotta do handgonnes now for some reason.The reason is so we have a slightly different aesthetic to convert border princes stuff.
What have you been working on this weekend?
>>97046775Those gun axes were used by Polish cavalry as a side arm
Hmm, you think i could use my hundred year war british army as boarder princes renegade crowns? I could throw in my one Napoleonic cannon there as a bombard. If my opponent was ok with it ofc.Think it would be kind of neat to have something that fits the gap between 1300'sesque britonnia and 1500'sesque empire with a c.1400 inspired army. If my opponent was willing ofc. (Live on an island and dont have anyone here who plays ToW, its merely hypothetical at this point in time)
>>97047166>magic spamYea, let me just put some cheap wizards in my MoT marauder blocks. Oh wait. WoC didnt have insane magic shooting even before all the changes and nerfs.
>>97045415I mean a block of 25-30 with HW+S is still going to be OK as a cheap anvil and the lowest cost option for anvils in WoC. The changes to flails and frenzy killed offensive marauders even before they lost MoK.The chaos gift for +1T is interesting on berserkers and huscarls. T5 is pretty good and it's worth the trade-off of -1 potential save IMO, although I think the whole book is way too worried about people having fun and they should just have enabled T5 chaos warriors too. Nothing you can do with the WoC-specific here comes anywhere near to degen Cathay. It's still funny that you can get T7 marauder huscarls (for one turn only and only with a nurgle sorc). I'm kind of interested in playing around with putting vanguard on a lone character too I guess, I think there's some fun stuff you can do with that.The most impactful changes are going to be the generic magic items they've introduced. The anti-monster banner is going to pop up everywhere. It makes it so your premier infantry unit and/or deathstar can't just get dragon'd. The vibe I get is just that we're slowly moving back to WHFB 8th and once we get there I'll stop playing TOW.
>>97045238Are there screenshots of the path to glory mechanic in it?
>>97047285>I mean a block of 25-30Thats going to be like 300pts or something. And youre basically buying worse dwarf warriors. It might be the best anvil in the book, but that just speaks to how shit the other options are.
>>97047166Are you sure that the power level 2 thing means they only get +1 to cast? The rules for bound spells say you directly add the listed power level to the casting value. That's why the Ruby Ring of Ruin was reduced to PL1, so you would only get +1 to cast with it, but the Rod of the Damned is PL2 so you get +2 to cast.
>>97047291This YouTuber covers the path to glory at around 11:1,1 so you can pause the video and read it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OWKPAZWo2c&t=2524s
>>97047260Not much to show, but I have slowly been working on my gors, basically just finished the skin and now doing the fur. No pictures at the moment though.
>>97047296It's like 200-250pts. Yes dwarf warriors are definitely better at the job but sometimes you just need a unit that can sit on a point and lose guys for a while. The base size nerf on marauders was definitely unwarranted, I'll give you that.
>>97047218Not really. I'm kinda into history of Polish 17th century warfare and armory - and found NO reliabe source (in Polish) that such weapon was used in Polis armies. Sure, maybe some nobles had it as curiosity, but no way it was used en masse. Pic related - my books about history of Polish warfare (two about weapons and armor, one is a diary of a nobleman from that era, who was in the army).
>>97047309god, looking at polish words upside down makes me feel like I have crippling dyslexia.
>>97045201Nice, I like toy soldiers.
>>97047291Just run the ones from Realms of Chaos, nothing will top it.
>Free handing Bretonnian heraldry.My sanity is slipping away.
>>97047260Corsairs for my WAP based Araby army.
>>97047225For a blaster caster you definitely want / need some items to guarantee the spells you want. It doesn't work otherwise. This locks you out of the Infernal Puppet which is a problem that needs to be solved. Blue Fire is a good, strong spell that I feel is well balanced. But by itself it's not enough if you want to compete an entire gunline. Fireball is still good and while the lack of AP sucks and the Fire keyword can be almost as often a negative as it can be a positive, it does have a decently long range. Pillar is worse but being able to dictate where it moves was a bit too much. It still does a decent amount of damage and you can plop it between you and your enemy if you just want to stay at range. Most shooting units can't really do anything if an enemy does actually catch them.And the problem with the new spell lore's blasty spells is that two of them are a worse Viletide and without the Hagtree Fetish. As I said, Viletide is a mediocre spell without that one item that propels it into being severely OP, and morphs the Beastmen from being a melee focused horde faction to being a fairly lame "gunline" with an awful spell that you can barely interact with as a player on the receiving end because of the multitude of other bullshit surrounding it (almost impossible to dispel, can't even roll most of your saves). But they are an outlier so it's not something I like to compare with the more balanced factions out there. Forgetting Beastmen and forgetting Cathay cannons and balloons and focusing on the majority of non-legacy factions I actually do think are fairly well balanced, a Chaos Sorcerer is on the upper rung when it comes to casting spells with the intent of murder. They get good boosts to casting without it feeling overpowered.
>>97047370You can hide fucked freehands with ribbons or trinkets or trophies conveniently flowing where the freehand is fucked
>I have a lot more stories from that time period. Someone being fired while taking a shit, weird things that happened to shoplifters, chav wet t-shirt event, nipple cancer, the child abuse guy, the dungeonmaster (50 Shades of Grey type, not DnD), vertical dwarf army, KKK Redemptionists, GW's anti-liberal calender, mexican cheese vs HGV (truck for the Americans), Looney Tunes style model smashing, Games Day LSD, human skateboard ramp and some others.Any former GW starff (or people in the know) expand of this? Sadly the account that originally posted this stuff deleted himself without really following up with more GW stories.
>>97045503They clearly couldn't think of anything worth a Ld test to activate for nurgle so they just phoned it in and made them all 1/game even though +1T is clearly the only thing good enough there to be worth limiting. And then they made it so you can just buy +1T on any unit in light or no armor anyway lol. Written in 5 minutes on someone's notes app before the deadline IMO.I would love to know who at GW hates marks of chaos. They cut them from mark-lookalikes in AOS's current slaves to darkness and now they've done the same thing for WHFB marauders. I wonder if it's part of the broader compatmentalization goal to sell an army for each chaos god and they view marks as intruding on this because you could technically play 2 armies with 1 set of models.
Also some dwarven artillery crew converted from Oathmark Light Dwarf Infantry kit. >>97047272Nice army bro.
>>97047372
>>97045467Wrote some fluff for the battle, it's a fun thing to do to get the creative thoughts flowing with help from what happened during the game.
>>97047300I actually don't have a conclusive answer to that . This is just how it has been played in my area and I've gone along with it. I've also seen some youtube channels occasionally mention it as well. I could be wrong, but I prefer to nerf myself when in doubt.The 1.5 update brought some needed changes but because the fixes were more like bandaid fixes it left some units in awkward situations, like Dwarf Ironbreakers not benefitting from Parry and kind of losing their niche as a defensive dwarfen unit. So I saw the bound items and their points cost as part of the oversight that the changes to Wizard casting values being adjusted. I'd love to see if anyone had an alternative argument.
>>97047372>round basesWrong general.
>>97047414Cool image. Is it AI sloppa or did someone/you actually sketch it out?
>>97047445It is AI slop, asked it to make a sketch drawing of the pic I took from the game, along with telling it to remove the bases of the minis and continue the terrain from the battlefield's edge to make the landscape continuous. It's not perfect, but I wanted a sketch anyways to make it seem like someone was drawing a recreation of the battle told to them.
>>97047462Yea, thats what I figured. Still, it looks neat. Really gives a vibe to the article. What font/background did you use? I should try my hand at this next time I play.
>>97047441It began as a skirmish project and I kept it for consistency sake.Plus using washers as bases is cheaper.It does not matter they are going on a tray anyway. I kind of prefer the look of it more too.
>>97046777Aos has husites not kislev
>>97047189The sigmar guns are underdesigned if anything last time I checkedTheir bardiches are also normal, if these dudes are anything to go by
>>97047475>What font/background did you use?Background is just an image I got on google after searching "old paper"The font is castlon antique>https://www.1001fonts.com/caslon-antique-font.htmlThen I just put it all into GIMP as separate layers, I rough up the edges of the image, also helps if there is janky image gen parts of it so you can hide it, but preferably I'd like to use images of my own minis most of the time.
>>97047260Lying in my bed after surgery... But maybe tommorow I'll be able to get up and do some work on my empire
>>97047504Cheers. Next time ill post my battle reports through photoshop!
Gonna dump a few of these cuz I can and want to share my stuff.
The big chief himself
Last one for the units/characters in my army I have made
>>97047260My crippling depression
Another narrative forged after a battle I had against a friend.
>>97047481Bro, how fucking poor are you to skim on bases of all things?
>>97047547At this point its just obsession at doing things the cheap way.It pushes me to convert everything too.Plus this one army will have 100+ infantry, it adds up after a while.
>>97046346bitches love that Asterix helmet
>>97047379I'm not sure I understand what you're saying about the Infernal Puppet. People have been taking the Puppet on their sorcerers of Tzeentch because they can't take the Lore Familiar if they want to also take the Blue Fire of Tzeentch. An FAQ stated that the Lore Familiar requires you to only take spells from your chosen lore and prevents you from replacing one of them with a spell from your army lore. Check out pretty much any list on Old World Rankings and you'll see what I'm talking about. If anything, chaos gets screwed over because sorcerers have to pay a 10 point tax to have access to a magic missile from their army lore. I generally agree with the rest of your post except for the bit about getting good boosts to casting. Where? Apart from the bonus from the mark of Tzeentch, which I would argue is very conditional and not something most people are bothering with, there really aren't any other bonuses they can get. It's not fair to compare them to Wild Herd, but the point needs to be made. Wild Herd shamans get to cast at +4 for basically zero cost, while chaos sorcerers have to park themselves in a bunker, pay for the mark of Tzeentch several times, and have one sorcerer sacrifice their arcane item slot for the Skull of Katam to get that kind of power.>>97047421I think you're getting wizard levels and power levels mixed up. The rules say that you just add the power level directly to the casting value for bound spells.
>>97046878the gun should've been a bardiche itself, the gun axe is a lazy design.
>>97047406thanks!
>>97047619>recoil cuts off your arm
>>97047641the blade would be tucked under your arm with your shoulder against the buttstock
>TQreading through some of the replies, i am probably an outlier but i don't mind the gyrocopters. for me, the more modern/sci-fi elements are part of why warhammer fantasy is an interesting and unique universe. i like the renaissance level of technology and even the occasional more advanced tech like the steam tank or gyrocopters. it gives the empire more character than "the good guy humans" and it gives dwarfs more character than "angry short guys that hate elves". it's why i've always preferred it to 40k, which is bog-standard sci-fi shit and not remotely interesting or unique beyond introducing fantasy races like orcs and elves as aliens.
>>97047591I was actually remembering that you can't take Spell Familiar with Infernal Puppet which adds another spell pick.
>>97047389what
Anyone know of any good "female greatsword" models? I want a bodyguard for my chaos lord.My original idea was using converted sisters of silence, but theyre super expensive even as recasts.
>>97047857The cursed city chick maybe? Can find her individually on ebay for alright prices.
It's over.
>>97047916It won't be as bad as HH 3e, right?
>>97047916>It won't be as bad as HH 3e,don't tempt fate
>>97047919I hope it's just a cleanup of the core 1.5 errata rules with proper balancing of factions. The core rules are really really good imo, the only thing I would change would be making magic more complex again but I can live with what we have. I think the only thing we " need " is better balancing.
>>97047916Jesus christ they want to kill the game.
>>97047857maybe look up a zweihander saint?
>>97047954>make everything people have bought bad>make everything they haven't bought enough good>people will buy 50 page magazine army books, sell one of those every 2 monthsStandard GW practice. I actually don't think this will work well for TOW.
>>97047912I have to assume that buying 20~ of her will be more than almost any other alternative. And look really samey.
>>97047857Could be worth buying regular chaos warriors and just finding female heads to put on them
>>97047966No see that's the benefit of releasing all the old models and then redoing them, you don't have to nerf the older stuff, just balance a bit and sell the new models
>>97047919>>97047953I like HH3e. Its imperfect, but it did a really good job fixing a lot of previous problems and implementing faction identity mechanically.>>97047966They didnt "really" do that with 3e, which is what the others are throwing around as a comparison. The best stuff obviously did get hammered (dreads, lascannons, volkite), but theres nothing thats just "unusable" really. >>97048010Chaos warriors dont come with great weapons. And buying a bunch of THOSE might just balance out the savings either way.Chaos warriors also dont look very feminine, and I always imagined it as a sort of "bodyguard/harem" thing. Fitting for a renegade elvish prince/noble.
>>97047916>>97047919Oh god no....But did he say anything about Kislev?>>97047954If (and that's a big IF) GW have any sense about them, 2nd will be a simple touch up of the rules to clarify stuff and implement some small changes to how stuff works.>>97048034The problem with HH3.0 is that it is fundamentally a very different game to 1.0 and 2.0 which is the real reason so many people (myself included) have been put off by it (all the stuff like the Saturnine and the Legacies is just a cherry on top). And while the success of 3.0 can be argued, I don't think that shit will not fly within the Fantasy community. While TOW has differences to 6th/8th ed Fantasy, it clearly shares the same DNA and most of the core stuff is same as older Fantasy editions. If TOW 2E changes fundamental things about the core rules or completely re-writes how certain stuff works, then I feel like the edition will be DoA and the community will revert to how it was post-ET.
>>970481043.0 is, in terms of "broad rules" still very clearly the same 7e hack as 1e or 2e.It has changes (mainly "you can shoot and charge something different") but its a lot closer than something like 8e is to 6e, or TOW is to 8e.
>>97048104Not him but we have it reliably that Kislev is coming soon (next year)
I fucking wish tow was closer to 8e. Games boring as shit rn
I didn't like 8th as much as I like TOW
>>97048135disagree, for a start HH3.0 adding four more stats is a far more fundamental change than anything TOW did differently from 8th ed. TOW has pretty much never changed any unit options from 8th, nor have the terrain rules changed as much. Tl;dr HH3.0 is a lot less recognisable as 7th ed 40k than TOW is to 8th WFB.
>>97048172>for a start HH3.0 adding four more stats is a far more fundamental change than anything TOW did differently from 8th edI disagree. TOW removed an entire phase and also power dice. Adding what are essentially "alternative LD values" to units is a much lesser change. The game still plays the same, you just roll against a different value for some things. >TOW has pretty much never changed any unit options from 8th>WoC>nor have the terrain rules changed as muchCompared to 8e terrain rules?
Fuck why cant marauder berserkers take great weapons? Flails look so ugly.
>>97048246I wonder if I could just build them with great weapons and say "yea they have flails"
>>97048246This but the opposite for the new models
>>97048303you just need great weapons with chains hanging off
>>97048335I like those new great weapons. They look big and scary. >>97048338Axe on one end, flail on the other. Like that one weapon from adventurequest.
>>97048346>They look big and scary.A bit too big for my tastes but I am glad you like them
>>97048375Yea, I could definetly see it. Theyre kinda cartoonish, but im a sucker for those big headsmans axe looking weapons. Always really liked the bestigor axes too.
>>97046341>>97045467Fellow beastie, I had my match today as well, against a blind list which ended up being orcs.Turn 1 Set up like I normally do, primal herd near-ish to herd stone that is set in a place that I can fuck with people using terrain. The two forest and fallow field I placed along center line and made all 3 dangerous terrain, he placed both hills and a rough terrain forest. The center base is a misslepig that I don't have a model for and the black felt with mountain is my herdstone I haven't built yet for. Otherwise cockatrice and my ghorgon model filling in as a cygor. Skin of man my great bray shaman in front of his 5 naked wolf riders in the hope my +1 will give me first turn and let me start flank collapsing. Of note on his side, he specifically took one of his night goblin bosses out of the unit to sit at the top right to prevent my ambushers on that side, otherwise everything is pretty much as you see. Orc boar biggun's with full command, ork big boss kitted to max, ork boss BSB, lvl 2 ork weird boy with lore familiar Fireball and oaken shield as his deathstar.I failed the turn roll, he got first turn.
>>97047916link to the post?
>>97048001Oh lel I misread and thought you were looking for a singular bodyguard character, my bad. Though the mental image of 20 of these ladies is pretty funny.
>>97048453He does the charge with wolves, does one wound, i do one back. Pushes me back with overwhelming numbers but only get the 2 inches on my roll. He shoots a ballista shot into my Cygor and hits. 2 wounds. He shoots another ballista shot into my Cygor and hits, 2 more. He launches the doom diver. Cygor dies. Tragedy! Everything is going wrong already. Otherwise he spins his black orks 90 to protect his flank, moves the boars forward, and the troll trundles ahead.I jungle march my primal herd into a spot just out of range of his boars to charge. Move my pig up and get him ready. Cockatrice flies to forest. Back to the fight! Gaze of the gods had given her +1 attack. That should get her over the hump easy with the primal assailment spell (which didn't go off enemy turn). Assailment goes off, hits 3, nothing dies to the ravens. Fighting on equal terms now I lash out, get 1 wound. He fights back, and once again chomps my arm. Pushes her back on overwhelm, but second mad tragedy, she fails terribly, and gets run down! Gambit completely failed.
By the way towfriends i dunno if anybody informed you guys yet but the darkwater/ogre leaker over on tga posted some cryptic bullshit in the tow thread over there : "silence is golden right?"I don't know much about tow stuff but people are speculating that it's a golden knight reference, as she (?) apparently had a silence skill in the total war game. Either way, do with it what you will.
>>97048505The character doesn’t even exist anywhere in tows timeline. It’s more likely that he means that there will be a drought which is good.>>97048505
>>97048513That's what I thought, but supposedly the golden knight is a rank, so there would've been more than one, though I don't know when it would've been an established thing.
>>97048505>>97048513Could be just referring to 2E being the War of Sand and Snow, i.e. Settra fucking up Norsca for stealing his golden hat
>>97048513Yes they do it’s a hereditary position
>>97048494His turn, He moves his boars up to prepare a charge next turn. Moves black orcs towards board edge, rolls stupid on troll, holds both goblins to prevent rear ambushes. Shoots both ballista at my pig, both miss. Shoots doom diver at herd, wild miss. Fireball fails to cast. He turns his dogs to look at the Cockatrice.Was ready to call it as I was in a dire ass spot, but lets roll the ambush. Every one succeeds! Bring in the 8 centigors at back side behind his warmachine, 10 ambushers beside them, and the other unit of ambushers on other flank. Centigors bound spells goes off giving them reserve move, but forget to use it. Fire a bunch of ranged shots into the ballista cause its there, but only kill one crew, ruby ring doesn't go off. All shots from other flank miss gobbo. I aggro my Cockatrice into a position the night gobbo's cant charge due to facing. (no pic, forgot) I shuffle primal herd a bit back to get them out of charge range. Pig charged troll, did two wounds, both regen. Take no wounds back.His turn he moves up to get into charge range again with boars. Black orcs trudge again. Fires off 4 loonies, two from each unit, and turns to face the ambush. The two on Centigors kill 4 total between them, but fall off board. The two from archers jam through boar, killing it but hitting each other. Ballista's shoot cockatrice, one misses, 2 wounds. Doom diver lands on warhoof, does 2 wounds. Another fireball miscast. Turns wolves again to get into a better position.Board is now in this state for my turn 3.
>>97048513Golden Knight is a title.
>>97048596Forgot to mention, every thing is skirmish except the one unit I can't make skirmish (dumb primal herd).The stage is set, everything falls into place. Centigors roll frenzy like the drunken assholes they are screwing with my plans. It's ok, I'll make do. Gaze of the gods gives warhoof +1 leadership and str. Well, what can I see for charging. Doom diver is in range, declare there. Cockatrice declares on night gobbos. Realize that counter charge doesn't matter against infantry, so herd boys charge boars. Now the fun begins!Warhoof has Mangelder causing terror, breaks the doom diver who flee. Redirects to ballista, who break and flee. Cockatrice terror breaks the night gobbos who flee off board. Cockatrice redirects to ballista who break and flee. The panic causes the night gobbo archers and troll to panic, and they flee (we don't know for sure if this was right, cause it was within range of the doom diver panic so it panic chained into them). The herd champion steps up to the plate hurling a challenge, the boar boy champion meets him. The mother fucking boss of a beastman kills his ass. He his boars beat the fuck out of me, and chase me down. Meanwhile the archers had both moved into shooting positions, killed some dogs, killed some night gobbo archers.His turn (4a is beginning of his turn), troll doesn't rally, flees towards board edge. Archers don't rally, turn frighten the goblin boss and run off board. Gobbo boss panics, falls of board edge. His last lone wolf fails impetuous and charges the ungors, dies to hail of arrows. So all he does is turn his boars around and shuffle the black orcs towards my ungors.
>>97048688The mofo troll had run towards board edge close enough for my frenzied centigors to bait charge themselves, so they charge the troll who flees out of range, so another failed charge. Warhoof rolled 3, so irrelevant. Decide to fly my cockatrice into a place to either set up a back flank on black orcs or set up a side flank on boar boyz next turn. Jack ass around with ungors, mostly just getting into position for later stuff and stay out of charge range. Ruby ring does nothing. Forgot to use scourge of burdened (could they have moved anyway due to the failed charge? Also could they shoot after the failed charge? We did neither). His turn he moves boars up, can't march black orcs so just moves forward. Casts fireball, I dispel. Troll fails to rally, run towards board... into charge range of centigors again. Field as of end of his turn 5 seen here.
>>97047260My dwarfs, it's taken a long time and I'm not the biggest fan of the plastics in circulation but they will be completed.
>>97048731I prep the Cockatrice to flank charge the boars outside their front arc knowing my centigors are going to fuckwit charge the troll again, leaving them exposed to boars. March my ungors on right flank to take control of the herdstone, march other ungors to prep to shoot/charge if needed.His turn 6 he turns black orcs to look at ungors. Was outside of charge range on Centigors so moves outside of Centigors charge range and just casts fireball on cockatrice which saved the wound with armor. Centigors charge troll again who flees, failed charge. Decide against charging with cockatrice since its turn 6, so move behind the unit and stare at em, causing one wound. Ungors on left flank shoot, kill 2 boars. bringing the unit below half unit size. Ungors on right shoot at black orcs, kill 3. Final tally, I was up ~40 pts before adding 200 from herdstone. Given how fucking terrible I did with my shaman, a fabulous success.
>>97048453>>97048494>>97048596>>97048731>>97048762Kino batrep. Thanks for the writeup anon
Hey did you know Tamiya airbrush cleaner is basically just Tamiya glue but much cheaper?
They've retard proofed the new kits
>>97049207>they *made the kits even more monopose and uncostomizeable
>>97049265No newfriend, as you can see, the join can just be sliced and fitted into the slot and you can pose it how you like if you can do basic modelling. But for newer people like you, the hole is also there so you can't mess up!
>>97049265what causeth this?ofc, its not hard to mod away with a hobby knife, but still, why not have flat connection points so you can make poses a bit more customizable out of the box?
>>97049273I imagine the basic logic is that the sort of people who care to pose their guys unique ways not outlined in the instructions are the sort of guys who don’t mind filing down a guiding peg.
>>97049295I guess. But in wargame scale battles it is a bit weird looking when every 6th guy is in the same exact pose when all massed up, and I like to vary poses slightly like one guy holding his sword slightly higher than another. Though pic related might be a character idk.I dont usually use GW minis, but when I got some rohan I was befuddled with why each was made up of like 10 separate autisticly pose specific pieces each. Instead of like 5 with flat attachment sections so you can adjust the poses slightly as you will.
>>97047857How armored do they need to be?
>>97049414Tasteless Diabloslop
>>97049414Cannot fathom using miniatures like these unironically.
>>97049295>making excuses This is why slop is everywhere. GW simply don't want people playing with their dolls wrong. All about control.
>>97049414>DiabloslopBetter than recent GWslop>>97049438I cannot fathom being so low-t you let 28mm midriffs bother you.
>>97049438How about genuinely?
>>97048513>implying ANYONE cares about the timeline
>>97049438No one does. Think of how many times you've seen the mockup/advertising images of models like this, and then try to recall seeing even a single poster who has actually painted them.
>>97049667>calling explanations excusesMy god. You've actually become a boomer parent. Harrowing.
>>97049719You’re right, they should just import pygmies to reikland en masse as well.
>>97047916>exclusively play legacy armiesI'm in danger
>>97047916Did people expect anything else? Really?
>>97047916Man, I enjoyed all the options and kitbashing opportunities. Can't wait for "game balance" to decree modeling is cancer and we have the same idiotic bullshit as AoS, 40K, HH, and MESBG where if they don't make the toy soldier it just doesn't have rules. On the plus side, this means the game is actually successful if they want to fuck us this badly.
>>97049719There was an opportunity to give players a lot of freedom by setting the game at an earlier point in the time-line. Chaos players could fight campaigns over who gets to be the next Everchosen, Empire players could fight a proper civil war and have their dude be the next emperor, Elf players of all varieties could... well, their time-line kind of doesn't really matter, but I'm sure there's something there, etc. Instead we got Frydaal, jack, and shit, so go figure.
>>97049795The end times have to stay canon because Age of Stupidbusinessdesicions.
>>97049855no it doesn't
>>97049855Tzeentch will save us.
>>97049855Sure, but that has nothing to do with my post. TOW is currently set in a time before an Everchosen appeared. There should be entire campaigns about that, but there aren't. GW is just going to speedrun us to the Great War Against Chaos instead of actually using the setting they decided to use. The End Times are stupid and should be ignored, but even if they had to happen that wouldn't matter since TOW is set hundreds of years before 2520.
>>97049855End times still doesn’t really play a factor in it for his hypothetical. Frankly I’m more interested in his more sandboxy set up than this boring ass fucking rehash. Also timelines are a fucking bane on wargames, just take me back to when Sigmar was up and running.
>>97049855Cathay has already broken the WHFB > AoS timeline, or how do you think they factor into AoS. The End Times can still happen (as there were multiple different plans for its conclusion as per a Rick Priestley interview I saw a while ago) but it doesn't have to go down the same path that leads to AoS.
>>97049923It does not and it'd be better if it didn't, but do you really expect GW to do something good?
>>97049934Imagine if they actually have the entire Throne of Chaos series finished and are planning to do that as the Great War Against Chaos without the End Times.... ending things. I'm pretty sure it was meant to be a campaign for each of The Great Kurgan's kids right?
>>97049273Could it be to ensure that the models rank up properly. If you glued the torso to a different angle then the weapon could prevent another model ranking up to his side.
Asking again, do you think the Mace's footnote restriction would prevent it from combo'ing with the spell for ludicrous flurries of mega-smacks, or is it written in a way that only applies to actual melee attacks
>>97045193>tqLike most users here, its on a spectrum. What it comes down to imo is whether these things define the faction or not. Dwarfs and elves have sillier fantasy stuff but their identity dosent revolve around them. Cathay has dragons, and literally everything about them is dragons.
>>97049923Why would cathay break the whfb > aos timeline?
>>97050056If anyone I was playing tried to claim that it's supposed to give 2d6 d6 wounds attacks I would stone cold stunner them
>>97050056It's been answered in the FAQ
>>97045204>this are not the boxes you are looking for
>>97050066Righto, should have skimmed first
>>97050062Cathay never intervened in the war against Asavar Kul. The great war against chaos is what sent the world into its death spiral with the End Times being the only possible outcome, but the forces of order are much stronger now and poised to repel it in a way that doesn't have to put a hard timer on everything. But like I said, the End Times was an event that the designers had envisioned for WHFB even way, way before AoS was a thing, albeit it was very different. The current timeline we are in does not need to lead to AoS if the setting designers don't want it to. WHFB > AoS can be its own time line and The Old World can be a different fork. This isn't quite like HH where they have to be more slavish with the lore as it's treated more like a 40k historical re-enactment. Cathay OTOH is a big monkey wrench, and there's still more to come with possibly Kislev and maybe other factions. We'll see.
>>97050076we dont know for sure yet, if cathay will still be present in the Old World when the great war against chaos errupts. I think its plausible Miao Ying may return to Cathay when she gets the news that the great bastion was broken through during her absence
>>97050076They won't retcon that the world ends, if anything they'll retcon how it ends.
>>97050076The forces of order are as strong as the narrative needs them to be, I don't see how cathay changes that really. If the storyline requires the old world to be barely standing after the war then that's what'll be written.I do agree that aos doesn't really give a fuck about how the end times happen, just that it happens with maybe a few specific points (e.g. slaanesh being the one to devour all the elves is pretty important for aos elves' lore). I can see tow and aos diverging into different timelines down the road too.
>>97048505way too cryptic
What are some decent magical items and banners for my Cathay lords and units? My brain is shit for working out what's worth it and what's a waste of points
>>97050090I somewhat doubt Cathay could be around by the Siege of Praag, by that point pretty much everywhere from Kislev to Cathay should be overrun so Cathay would be directly threatened.
>>97046966Sauce?
>>97050279dunno, I just use what I think sounds fun. but my shugengan-lord I often give a guardian feng shi bo so that many other enemy lords hit them on 5+ in melee.
>>97050306Nta but looks like mossacanibalis, he does a lot of warhammer art.
>>97050306
>>97050279Anything with more combat res is an easy auto pick for your magical banner. It doesn't rely on conditionals to be good, it's always good.
>>97050076Cathay meant to be in a Cil War during this time frame that lasted well after the Great War Agenst Chaos so the Cathay stuff will probably switch to be internal conflict after the Wall AJ
>>97050453Civil War*
>>97050306Arcane journal: the raping of westerland
i dont like my coworkers theyre not cool. i like warhammer it is cool
>>97049272This. Anyone who has the most basic modelling skills can still convert the fuck out of all the new kits that people are bitching and moaning about, and it cuts down on 90% of players that have a room temperature IQ who cant pose models for shit.
>>97050076>The current timeline we are in does not need to lead to AoS if the setting designers don't want it to.I'm pretty sure they announced before TOW even launched that the events of the End Times were still considered canon for this game as well.
>>97050609They've already changed TOW lore and GW are notorious for retcons and rewrites. The lore is what it currently needs to be. At the time they probably weren't sure if TOW had a future or not.
>>97050598You my friend, are cool. I do like you.
>>97050609They also said it was a golden age with squadrons of steam tanks. The WarCom guys are just writing shit to pad out daily articles, they are not infallible.
>>97050317>>97050426This banner looks alright with the BSB, nestled in a big blob of Jade Warriors with the Shieldwall banner?
>cant do tzeentch bunkers with new marauders The mark already wasn’t good post1.5. Now tzeentch is probably the most dogshit mark to take, what are they doing with this faction.
>>97050641giving fear to a unit can always be useful just for the reason it makes you immune to terror checks
>>97050658You couldn't do tzeentch bunkers with old marauders either
>>97050702You could, with the infantry, and more importantly, the horsemen.
I bought the china battalion, when is the release of the new Astromancers?
>>97050718They said Late Winter on reveal stream
>>97050702Marauder horsemen were pretty popular escorts for sorcerers.
Give Tzeentch Sorcerer Lords their disc already James you coward.
>>97050757tzeentch is too distant in tow, it can't give a disc
>>97050714>>97050749I stand corrected. I never saw it happen but now I'm interested, although I guess it doesn't work anymore. Would be cool if the marks were activated by the appropriate cult though.
can someone look at my 750pt battle march list?I don't really know what i'm doing but i'm not trying to make it this uber powerful meta army either>Exalted Sorceror w/ undivided, level 2, battle magic, tome of spellcraft>10x chaos warriors w/ full command, undivided, shields>10x chaos warriors w/ full command, undivided, shields>7x chaos chosen w/ full command, mark of slaanesh, greatweapons, full plate>2x chaos spawn w/ mark of tzeentch750/750Sorceror goes in the unit of chosen for 2 ranks of 4
>>97050757Maybe a shrine
would you keep a snotling as a pet
>>97045204You can't build a 500pts. army, there are too many restrictions.Now, you can easily do 1k pts. with both boxes, but you'd have to choose whether to take the Blood Knights or the Vargheists.
>>97050781Mark of slaanesh doesn't do anything as your chosen have great weapons.
>>97050781It is very fun and not OP but you've gone full tin-can mode which,may be OKvs other full melee armies but a hint of ranged could hurt a lot! I would remove one spawn and a unit of warriors for a mix of hounds and marauders.
>>97050781Looks fine to me. Definitely not overpowered if thats what you’re worried about. I don’t think it’ll be bad either.
>>97050809Unless I am very much mistaken, initiative modifiers fron things like mark of slaanesh are added -after- strikes last, so youd get your charging initiative bonus and MoS modifier added to your great weapons.
>>97050781Looks simple and fun man, Id love to play against that list. Good one to get the hang of the game and for your opponent to play against.
>>97050809oh yeah, I thought it worked differently (+1 int after other modifiers)
Oh and here's the Sorceror that will be leading that battle march armyso far for a name i've picked for him is "Ogvold One-Eye" but I don't really want to tread on the toes of the magic item (he's not the same guy)
>>97050598well did you give them a chance? Do you think warhammer was made because the founders said 'I don't like this artist guy' or 'I don't like this rules guy' before even talking to people? Perhaps if people weren't so often met with hostility from the introverts who lean towards the game they wouldn't hold biases about the hobby they might have. Perhaps you could explain to them why it is cool.
>>97050732>late winterCool, should give me enough time to paint it.Btw is the stone giant and miao as awful to build as people claim or is it exaggerated?
>>97050884don't know about Miao, but Sentianal is really bad
>>97050884sentinel was really bad,miao is okay but she also suffers from the problem that they tell you to put a piece to the backside of the model but refuse to show said backside in the manual.
>>97048475It does, he clones them in a vat somewhere. Or maybe theyre actually different women but he just has very specific standards and they have all meet them perfectly.
>>97049414Enough that they work as chaos chosen, and enough that I can show my face in public with them. If I had to go raging heroes I would just take their dark elf !executioners.
>>97050848Looks awesome, anon. Love the headswap.
>>97050390It doesent look like mossa at all.>>97050306The artist looks to be lilboots
>>97050836This is correct, hence why you want to be on the offensive with great weapons as you get the + modifier to your initiative from the charge, meaning you’ll get a 4 I in combat, before any other modifiers of course.
>>97050840That is how it works.>>97050809MoS lets great weapons go at I5 on the charge, which is a decently valuable break point due to I4 being itself a very common statline.
>>97050856yes i am nice i think i am scared and autistic and they are loud and mean. i like when work is quiet or if someone engage me in quiet 1on1 conversation but instead they all shout together about gossip and go to the bar after and dont invite me but if they did id say no but it still bothers me because ive never felt like i belong anywhere but now i have a loving partner that feels like home so its ok but still i feel different and unusual i suppose because i don’t even understand the reason they all talk so much and how they talk so easily about nothing or why they want to see their coworkers after work i dont even want to work at all i want to live in the woods and farm and survive and watch the trees grow and woods change. i want to pray and look at the stars in the sky and tend to my animals with my love yet i am stuck in this jewish saturnine system of evil and control where escapism into Fantasy seems to offer my weary mind its biggest reprieve but how can i say that to someone and would it mean anything to anyone and would it change anything im not entirely sure but i am sure of love and its evergrowing bastion against the darkness and its evil agents in the battle of the Soul. I love, anons. I love. may you find love as well in this world and may it guide your soul to greater heights and your Ultimate Enlightenment.
>>97048104>If (and that's a big IF) GW have any sense about themThey'll rerelease 6e with a new lick of paint and a tidy-up of the army books. Alas, we all know it will never be that good.
Doomerbros???
>>97051149>tow is doing exceedingly wellfrom what I heard, that's an understatement, like coming close to selling as much as 40k.
>>97051149doomsissies???? what's the party line? what is the doomcord saying?
>>97051149God if TOW is moved over to the main studio it's actually so fucking over
>>97051202let's not be silly now
>>97051149I usually don't have particular opinions about this stuff, but I really don't like this leaker at all, he speaks like a youtube content creator (derogatory).
>>97051210>"gj guys but the scope has expanded we'll handle it now :)"A terrifying thought.
>>97051216Apparently, Cathay really hit its targeted demographic
>>97050848Looks sweet. Here is my general, Korgoth the Destroyer. For Battle March games, I use him as an Aspiring Champion on Daemonic Mount.
>>97051210didn't this happen to horus heresy?
>>97051231china? they only have six stores in the entire country, in two cities
>>97051210Please no! I dont want those losers in charge.Just give the current guys mpre budget and be done with it.
>>97051249It's really the only way I could see TOW making Space Marine numbers
>>97051216I'm as in disbelief as you are, but that's what some are saying https://youtu.be/RUQTj5ZaenM?t=1h9m44s1:09:40
>>97051149Fuck doomers, but is there any reason to trust this guy? Last time somebody posted his "leaks" here he got btfo, I think it was the settra journal?>>97051202>coming close to selling as much as 40kcome on brother
i wonder what the paper banners look like. why wouldn’t they show everything you get
>>97051299You don't get the paper banners
>>97051281dunno who these people are, does the one talking about this have any background or authority on the topic?
>>97051308Not much, but it's still weird she would make such a claim with no insight either.
>>97051281>old world is skyrocketing in sales, it's almost as good as AoS, and almost overtook 40k in their top sale>almost as good as AoSand>almost overtook 40k feel like two conflicting statements, I'd be surprised if aos does half of what 40k does. Hell, I'd be surprised if every non 40k system combined does half of what 40k does.
>>97051149>Don't be worried!>Oh btw you absolutely should be worried about the one thing you're worried about (legacy)Thanks man
>>97051344>>97051288>>97051216Can confirm that if you check warpfire minis monthly sales that Cathay rocketed TOW up to 40k numbers (well above AoS) when it launched.
>>97051304from the webstore >This kit comprises 3 metal components, 3x Citadel 25mm Square Parallel Slotta Bases, and 1x sheet of paper banners.
>>97051344Yeah thats bullshit, space marines alone probably outsell the other settings combined and if you add xenos on top its even more
>>97051348Whats the worry? Nothing happening with legacies is just thart, no change to the status quo.
>>97051231>>97051249Imagine the amount recasts
>>97051344There might be fluctuations depending on what's currently being released and showcased, but yeah, it is weird to consider, but it was unthinkable to even consider it in the first place.
>>97051350Like the store? They publish their sales numbers?I'm just skeptical because cathay isn't that common where I'm at. Checked the subreddit (yes I know fuck off, it's the easiest metric I can think of) for example and it's not crazy or anything, it's half the size and 1/4 the activity of the fucking aos chorfs sub, which were very polarizing. I just don't see them doing space marine numbers.
>>97051368Wouldn't incompatibilities arise? Calling to rules that don't exist, not calling to rules that do exist, etc?
>>97051379Subreddit counts are a horrible indicator of sales/players, especially AoS which is more Reddit-y than even 40k.
>>97051393With a new edition? Maybe. But Im assuming thats not what hes talking about. Theres a difference between "legacy factions arent going to become "mainline factions" (with the models released, new models, new AJs and so on)" and "when the new edition comes out theyre going to leave the legacy factions untouched and unplayable when they change the rules"
>>97051408>With a new edition? Maybe. But Im assuming thats not what hes talking about.Oh, I did. That's what I was talking about.
>>97051394I agree that different playerbases are more interested in different social media, facebook and this place being a lot more grog (or fake-grog) oriented compared to the mainline audience which is more attracted to reddit and similar forums.Cathay, however, being the new kid on the block AND being made with total war zoomers in mind should be the one to buck this trend though. I'm not claiming sales numbers off of subreddit sizes of course, but if they're doing SPACE MARINE numbers, they should be able to scrape together more users than the helsmiths of all things.>especially AoS which is more Reddit-y than even 40k.lol
>>97051429>being made with total war zoomers in mind should be the one to buck this trend thoughNo, Cathay is a grog game so I wouldn't expect it. Further, zoomers don't actually use Reddit, it is a millennial website through and through. Also, every kit of Cathay sold out on launch on Warhammer.com, something Helsmiths of Hashut couldn't do. HoH only seem to have sold well in the US; their UK and Europe out of stock rates were much more anemic.
>>97051455>Further, zoomers don't actually use Reddit, it is a millennial website through and through.Age group 18-29 is by far reddit's largest demographic thoughbeit, overlapping almost perfectly with the zoomer cohort>Also, every kit of Cathay sold out on launch on Warhammer.com, something Helsmiths of Hashut couldn't do. HoH only seem to have sold well in the US; their UK and Europe out of stock rates were much more anemic.Eh, both the battalion and army set sold out immediately here (western yurop), neither cathay nor helsmiths had all their individual sets sell out from the warhammer store.
>>970460015 dorrah rove you rong time is proud bugman heritage and totally valid, chud
>>97051455looking at sellouts on the warhammer site most armies have at least 1 core unit that's sold out atm, Cathay only having the sentinel sold out puts them pretty far back (I imagine the small size of the army in terms of units keeps a lot of people away desu)
>>97051149amazing that chuds on here and elsewhere tout these forum posts, which have never revealed anything, and shit on Valrak who has had more accurate info than has ever been posted by these trannies.
>>97046362So just like actual space marine players then?
>>97051541valrak barely says anything about stuff that's not 40k/HH
>>97051538Checked a few different countries, seems like a similar pattern. US and Canada have only the sentinel sold out, uk and yurop only the shugengan. Checked australia and the only thing sold out there is the fucking faction pack.
>>97051554and has still given more info on TOW releases lmao
>>97051554He does talk about TOW sometimes but he admits he knows fuck all about AoS, MESBG
>>97046486I don't think low budget plumbers are very warhammer thoughbeit
>>97051565possible, i'm not overly interested in 40k unless it's Knights or Titans so i tend to just not watch him.
>>97045922I do not care for this illumination, Karl.
>>97046716>theyre too expensive to run horde>6ppmFuck off
>>97051538>>97051557On launch, not now. They've had months to replenish stocks after hitting the initial space marine numbers.
>>97051610>7ppm base>8ppm with shields>10ppm for t4>11ppm with a cultYea man, so cheap!
>>97051613As >>97051538, i'll point out that that's sorta my point but looking at the entire range, High Elves in particular have most of their core infantry sold out.
>>97051516>neither cathayAboslutely positively wrong, literally everything sold out on launch.Why lie to yourself anon, why deny reality to make yourself feel better (like a tranny).
>>97051629Again we're talking about launch, not right now.The launch sales were hitting Spess Mahrine levels.
>>97051541Where do you think Fagrak gets most of his rumours, dipshit? Only very occasionally is he actually being fed anything from legit sources, most of "his" rumours is just him repeating shit he read on forums like the rest of us. He's been caught out by BS that originated here at least a couple of times now.God imagine being such a pathetic example of a poofter that you simp for *Valrak* of all creatures.
>Tons of tomb king stuff out of stock>nearing ChristmasDear GW, people cannot buy me stuff you don't have. Sincerely, my stocking.
>>97051656bringing up 4chan posts on stream is hardly being 'caught out' and any idiot can parse his sources when he outright states which are personal and which have been put up on his disc by others, but maybe you'd feel safer on bolter and chainsword anon they accept your kind there.
>>97051634It really didn't, not where I'm at at least>make outrageous claim that flies in the face of common sense>provide absolutely no evidence to corroborate said claim>bitch about or ignore every bit of evidence going against said claim>start throwing around literal "nuh uhs" and personal insultsUhh I think you have more in common with trannis than you might think. Time to make an appointment anon.
>>97051711>It really didn't, not where I'm at at leastThen you must not live in the US, UK, or Europe (GW big 3).
>>97051149that's a lot of words to say literally nothing of value
>>97051350>to 40k numberswhat numbers? sales in the same month? sales of a similar new 40k release?it's expected for a new army to sell well, the real deal is if tow can sustain those numbers of sales for any period of time
>>97051299Yeah it's pretty weird, especially since GW did show the banners from Bretonnia's MTO models.
>>97051817tbf matching 40k sales in any given month even if it's a massive outlier probably points to more sales in a given quarter/year than GW was ever expecting. Just off that single aberration.
>>97051835Yeah, 40k sells more than basically all of the miniatures market combined. It's that dominate. It sells more like a TCG than a minis game. Matching it even temporarily is a huge win.
>>97051299Wait THATS why those old models just have sticks for banners?
>>97052070Yeah, a big pewter flag would make the model very unbalanced
>>97051149Dark elf schizos, how are we feeling?
Anyone have a link for Fabelzels chaos dwarfs collection? Didn't jump at the chance when it was still available.
>>97051614>wasting points on cultsOk, you got me, shitposterkun
>>97052070Yup. And if you look at some of the old Rulebooks and WD issues you see that they have paper to either cut out or photocopy.
>>97045555>putting frenzy or flails on infantry units ever after 1.5 nerfs
>>97052125it's usually up on etsy
>>97051149Jav is the master of saying absolutely nothing as always, but of course this riles up the lcd.
>>97051541Go suck your ecelebs cock in his tranny grooming discord server
I'm honestly kinda disappointed that despite all the cathay focus, we never got anything tzeentch related.Hes probably the most active chaos god there and would be a good opponent for cathay, they also could have blamed all the court intrigues on him too.
>>97052359Tzeentch? Don’t you mean the fell raptor?
>>97052359We haven't gotten much of any of the gods at this point
>>97052375He's talking about chian chin, clearly, tzeentch couldn't possibly be a thing, the 4 gods are too distant from the world in this age to have individual cults.
>>97052375Isn't his symbol the snake now?>>97052404True, but i feel like nurgle,khorne and slaanesh were fairly well represented in fantasy while tzeentch was underutilised. Cathay seemed like the perfect opportunity to let him shine.
New thread?
>>97052451Snake is Slaanesh
>>97051570>>97051565He hasn't said anything recently (months) about TOW other than whispers of Kislev.
>>97052450>the 4 gods are too distant from the world in this age to have individual cults.The four main marauder tribes have been a thing in the old lore too. Pretty sure its even in mordheim.
>>97052537Did they replace marks entirely too
>decide to build a Dwarf from my warriors box to take a break from painting 20 Terminators These old school Dwarfs have the perfect proportions for what a Dwarf should be.
>>97052548I dont remember exactly how it worked mechanically in mordheim. But it was still the whole "tribe of the hound/tribe of the serpent/tribe of the whatever" thing.
>>97052797>>97052797>>97052797>>97052797New
>>97047389That reads like a fucking iceberg meme lmao
>>97051149My lgs said TOW sell well but only new minis. I'm interested in wood elves but I'm not for any old minis. I will wait the time it need for a refresh and mix it with Conquest
