Previous: >>97038852>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed) (embed)>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQTell a story of a time you played at your local LGS store.
What happens when you redirect lightning in response to your opponent's redirect lightning
I just bought the FF14 and FF6 precons
I'm building Purphoros (Forge), but theres this one guy at my LGS that always bitches about the best goblin commander being Purphoros, so I want to build the deck while keeping gobbos to the minimum. I figure its a good a time as any with avatar making a ton of ally tokens, there's gotta be enough support for this idea. What are some good value non-gob spells?
>>97048053I went to an lgs earlier this year. Had a good time. Fun games. Won one, lost the others in cool ways. Met some cool guys. One of them was a detective so we had some interesting conversations. The store owner showed off his foiled mostly signed Urza cedh deck and let us stay after closing to finish a game. Gave us all a free pack. That was a nice night.
>>97048063Well it has to have a legal target.
>>97048053>TQI made a guy quit playing magic for almost a year. He was playing Odric and said "I'm playing a communist deck" and I said "so am I." I ramped out Kotis then attacked him (with giant growth etc) for 10+ and used his shit to win and when he was finally about to lose he just grabbed all of his cards back and walked out without saying a word.
>TQ>went to play pauper first time>all around total bros, even clerk joins in>get compliments left and right about my deck>fast forward to first commander night>angel player denies all attacks with non-flyers>killed him with and another guy with a birds of paradise buffed up by summon titan, xenagos, karlach and embercleave>mono black aristocrats players whips out his saga deck>watch him play for 7 turns in peace while being impossible to attack, then just wins
I'll be attending a social gathering where there will be one other person that also plays edh and we agreed to bring some decks.We have one more guy that played magic a bit a long time ago and a few candidates for people who might want to try playing.Now, edh seems like an awful format for learning magic but it's a one-off thing. I have a few decks that kind of just pilot themselves.Do you guys have any advice on how to make the experience as enjoyable as possible for the new people? Did you ever teach someone with no 1v1 magic experience?
>>97048144>Do you guys have any advice on how to make the experience as enjoyable as possible for the new people?i never played magic in my life before 1 week ago when i played through the tutorials on mtga. then i went to a local club 3 days ago and played some some commander with a precon someone gave me and had no issues.
>>97048144The right deck is crucial. "Do thing, draw card" is sometimes genuinely what these players need to guide them through game actions. However watch out for decks that are overly fiddly without advancing to victory.The other half of the equation is a good table. Watch out for "deal me one damage and I will attack you until the end of time" as it can make the game feel mean and overly personal. You want the mood at the table to be "The game has to end sometime, an average winrate is 1/4 so don't get upset if you're on the backfoot, let's enjoy the interaction"
>>97048144>Do you guys have any advice on how to make the experience as enjoyable as possible for the new people?Don't bring sweaty decks and stomp on the newbies, don't bring anything that makes the game a bad experience (stax/control, discard/sacrifice)
>>97048144unironically "do thing draw card" commanders. making the game stall out where people only draw one card/do one thing a turn and pass makes the game get real boring, real quickly
>>97048053>TQ>showing friend how to play>he's got the basics down at this point, just needs to work on the finer points>lend him my Eldrazi deck because his inner Timmy was called to it when I showed him what decks I had>he's got a good start with a sol ring and ancient tomb>manages to get Zhulodok out already of curve (turn 3)>mother fucker draws a darksteel Monolith>plays it>the cascade x2 isn't anything interesting, but it got him a mana rock>everyone else is getting nervous, but they're all focused on the Edgar player>friend draws on his next turn>Ulamog the Infinite Gyre>now we're cooking>he plays>cascade>Ulamog the Defiler>cascade>Kozilek, Butcher of Truth>tell him to go point at the green player, since they're the best bet for Defiler>green player exiles his shir begrudgingly >he exiled a Craterhoof>mfw Annihilator 8>my friend's fw Annihilator 8He went on to slap the absolute shit out of everyone with basically Annihilator 16. The look on his face was priceless too.
>Guy is being smug and has some aura on a big beater, that makes saporlings every time he does damage for each damage done.>He's building an army we can't get through>I've just keep smol beaning most of the game as my draw engine got removed and I've just been getting land after land.>I do have two cards in my hand, that I drew in my opening hand. Angel's Grace and deflecting palm.>Draw a path to exile>Cool, I guess I'll hold it even though I'm sure his bant ass has a counter.>He plays mirror mirror entity, pays 1. Then drops banner of kinship. All of his shit would be 60/60s+ or some bullshit>In response to him trying to cast it, I try and path his commander, which would be his biggest creature and let him do some other bullshit on attack.>Countered.>He declared his attackers>When I have prio, after he declares his attackers, Cast Angel's grace>Resolves>I'm last in turn order>When it comes to my chance to declare blockers, cast deflecting palm and declare no blockers>He doesn't understand what's going to happen>Break it down>He scoops in a rage before combat damage goes out.
>>97048299Forgot the >TQLike the knob I am.
>>97048053Post one or two of your favorite decks and talk a bit about them.
Won a three player game with picrel, after getting heavily milled. Feels good.
>>97048306Why does this card exist when Prismatic Vista is a thing?
>>97048349Prismatic Vista was printed after
>>97048299>Cast Angel's grace>ResolvesThat seems expected for a split second spell.
>>97048349Gets over Angel of Jubilation by not costing life.
>>97048333>won with living death
>>97048349>Why did anyone ever use a horse and buggy when cars are a thing?This is how retarded you sound.
>>97048429Well why didn't they just make cars sooner?
>>97048063your opponent's redirect lighting now targets the (legal) spell of your choicethey get to choose everything else for when it resolves
>>97048053some new guy showed up to the shop and he smelled like absolute ass, hadn't showered in a week asshe hadn't played mtg in about 20 years and showed up with a bello deckforgot how steps and phases worked, and missed triggers so we guided through it
>>97048063does redirect lightning-ing a counterspell onto itself just fizzle the counterspell, or how does that work
>>97048144>new peoplemonocolour decks only. let them learn what different colours excel at and the difference between a mono-black and a mono-green deck, while not having to worry about nonbasic lands that enter tapped and tap for different stuff et.c., same idea behind mono-colour casting costs. not sure about other colours, but I usually give new players my very basic green Goreclaw deck that's basically just full of creatures with power 4 or greater. they usually just have trample or vigilance, so you can slowly introduce keywords.also, let them get away with things/win a bit, even if you can do something about it, basic psychology to draw someone in.
>>97048491A counterspell cannot target itself
>>97048299Deflecting palm is always funny, even when it slaps back at me. I love that card. >>97048139pauper crowd does seem chill af from what I hear
>>97048534No, I meant>Cast Lightning Bolt>blue player casts Counterspell targeting Lightning Bolt>cast Redirect Lightning, making the Counterspell target Redirect Lightning instead
>>97048491counter spell cannot target itself, you redirect lightning the counterspell to target redirect lightning
>>97048542You can do that. The same applies to Deflecting Swat instead of Redirect Lightning.
>>97048448Which rule is this?
>>97048510This anon knows what's up.Unironically tribal or voltron-decks are good.>>97048144I used to make budget decks for edh to give players. Build decks both simple through lines and- very importantly - very obvious strategies. Also important don't play some 7d interaction deck when you play with them.There's a reason old starter decks had very simple concepts. Edh is good because in multiplayer it's slower and you can make the first games about going slow and explaining interaction and turn order.A cheat-sheet for turn phases is insanely useful. When I taught my wife to play she got in the habit of saying all the turn phases out loud as she went through her turn until it stuck
>>97048551
>>97048537Pauper is by far the most happening format at my lgs
>>97048562Reading comprehension.The situation is Redirect Lightning targeting another Redirect Lightning, not a counterspell.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97048580to be fair, I worded it confusingly in the original post.
>>97048456Did you guide him to the showers and soap
>>97048580oops, wrong reply chainredirect lighting only targets the counter spell, the counterspell is targeting the other spellso you get to choose which spell redirect lighting targets when it is on the stak, but not what happens to the redirected spell after redirect lightning resolves
>>97048604same anonadding: you don't gain control of the spell, you are just changing what redirect lighting targets. the controller will get to choose what happens after the spell resolves
>>97048604>>97048612I still think this is poorly worded.The key point here is that you don't choose the new target as you put Redirect Lightning on the stack. You choose that as the spell resolves.I should start playing like that and asking people if the spell resolves before I tell them what I'm changing the target to.
>>97048144>Do you guys have any advice on how to make the experience as enjoyable as possible for the new people? Did you ever teach someone with no 1v1 magic experience?Just make a mono G creatures deck, how hard can it be to pilot
>>97048053>Visit new LGS for commander>Find a table with two guys waiting for a game and their third friend on the way>Perfect>Decide to play a quick 3 while we wait>Game is fun, good back and forth, they are clearly good players who know the game>Feel like I've struck gold>Then the fourth guy shows up>Sorta awkward guy but very friendly>Starts the night by playing Edgar Markov>But he doesn't have Edgar's tokens, so he just uses 1/1 white Lifelink Vampire tokens. "Just pretend they don't have lifelink">Also plays cards that make 1/1 white Lifelink Vampire tokens>His boardstate becomes a clusterfuck that we have to rewind multiple times>He talks over all our turns, just whatever happens to be on his mind>Misses triggers constantly>Game ends with another player Mycosynth Lattice/Karn locking us out of casting spells>Awkward guy goes on to play Chatterfang, Ur-Dragon, and Korvold as his other decks for the nightcont
>>97048670>Ur-Dragon, and Korvold as his other decks for the nightBased homosexual airborne reptile enjoyer
is there any reason in current day magic circa 2025+1 to play anything but mono green or mono black truth nuke.jpg
>>97048702You will learn to love red or else
>>97048670>A mask wearing they/them timidly walks near table>Friendly awkward guy invites they/them to join us and have a 5 man (person?) table>They/them have "only played standard">I have taught tons of people to play, no issue for me>They/them using Alela Cunning Conqueror precon borrowed from the store owners>Friendly awkward guy switches to fucking Korvold>They/them's second turn is placing Snap on the table, as if it were a creature, and passing>As the only person paying attention, I explain what an instant is, what targeting is, etc etc>Somewhere around turn 3, someone points out that they/them isn't using a playmat>Left my spare playmat at home>Store owner walks over>Store owner is mid 30's short stack with Miss Frizzle energy>"Hey they/them, I have a playmat you can use, but....">"I hope it's ok that it's a Hazbin Hotel playmat!!">I fucking wish I was making this up but that is word for word what happened>3/5ths of the table starts cheering and clapping>"I love Alastor!">tfw I am literally a bifag, occasional pronoun user and I like vivziepop, Helluva Boss, etc but this brazen display of cringe is too much>Game somehow continues>They/them spends turns loudly saying that they won't say their age, completely unprompted>Awkward guy talking about his daughter, They/them bonding over being a "parent" too>They/them, again, unprompted, reveals they are 19 years old, their "child" is a friend's niece>I came here to play Magic the Fucking Gathering>I am babystepping they/them through combat steps with her flyers>Kills me and another player to kingmake awkward guy because "he's nice">Go home and type this out because I can barely believe it was realTheyfabs are a cancer on this earth
>>97048708red's not a real color
>>97048713This didn't happen chud and if it did it's a good thing.
>>97048713>>They/them's second turn is placing Snap on the table, as if it were a creature, and passing
>>97048713>mask>in the Year of Our Lord 2025>they/them>"btw I'm a fag too"You're both gay, and you both bring shame to this game.
>>97048737>>maskThere were 2 people at my LGS wearing the mask yesterday. It takes all of my self reatraint not to start making bane posts irl
>>97048713at my local LGS there are mainly normal people but some creatures lurking among them. they somehow manage to be good friends, so at times you're forced to indirectly interact or play with them if you want to play with the actual nice people. I'd recommend continuing trying to play with those normal 2 dudes from the beginning, and (indirectly if necessary) making it clear that you want games to feature decks of the same power level, not a curbstomp by someone's higher power level deck against fresh precons.>>97048723he knows too much for it not to be real
All your guys' favourite piggie just opened a new box of slop.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLm6x2RD8YQ
>>97048053>Tell a story of a time you played at your local LGS store.>playing 4 player with 3 good friends>playing my favorite deck, Lord Windgrace>ramp out really well, 5 lands on turn 3>fast forward to endgame>everyone still alive but sub 5 life>I'm clearly the arch enemy>an army of elementals from Omnath>player after me talking about how he has burn for when he untaps to kill me>cast pic related>I have Yavimaya in play>I have Ashaya in play>I gain 52 life>everyone laughs and scoopsHonestly felt like a dark souls boss getting his second health bar. My favorite Commander moment I've had.
>>97048786big life gain always feels awesome, especially when it kills everyone else>play Elenda Saint of Dusk vs Krenko player>make a deal (he didn't know any better) that I would not disrupt his board with removal so long as he didn't bring me beneath 40 life>works wonders for a while, but eventually he realises he has to put me down>wait for him to tap krenko and double his gobbos>"Are you gonna attack me with those? :)">"well yeah">"Alright :)">before he goes to combat I cast Riot Control with Vizkopa Guildmage in play (lifegain = opponents lose life)>gained 60+ life and killed everyone big time
>>97048778Oh boy, I love slop!
Heres my story (its boring)> quick game before popper pairings go up> bracket 4, I play Burakos> T5 I Coveted Prize for Academy Manufactor, play Mirkwood Bats for free.> I think about playing the Manufactor with treasures but don't for some reason.> Derevi player with 12 life goes infinite on his next turn> mfw if I just played the fucking manufactor I would have killed him and easily won the game on my next turn
>TQ>Tell a story of a time you played at your local LGS store.>Be me, some time last winter>Sitting down to a very casual three pod of commander>Casual as in, I'm playing an mono-red clones deck (Delina), versus Gisela, Blade of Goldnight and actual literal Palladias-Mors>Guy walks up, "hey you need a 4th?">Sure man pop a squat down>Whips out Stella Lee >Man this is a casual game>No no, he assures us; this is a barely upgraded precon>His T1: land sol ring mana vault mana crypt>Glance at the other two players>Sixteen gigs of tactical data pass through our neural meshnet with that glance, the sole objective: Stella Lee Delenda Est>T2 he gets to pop off with a bunch of spells, draws many cards and deals about 12 damage to the table>T3 gisela player lightning helixes stella>I cast flametongue kavu, pop stella again>Start cloning it, keep doing it every time stella hits the table>nobody else is gonna blow up the kavu>eventually someone pops his crypt and he stands up and says "I didn't know y'all were gonna be assholes!" and scoops
>>97048713>Theyfabs
>>97048970>>I cast flametongue kavu, pop stella againWhat print did you run
>>97048778Every time I see someone open an entire box (and a collector box), I cringe. I have yet to EVER see someone "make money" from doing this. It's always a black hole of money.
>counters my creature>gets 3 cardswhat other type of removal in this game does this? I see counterspells like mana drain and arcane denial, where's the spot removal that's just: FUCK YOU, FUCK YOUR CARD, IM REMOVING THAT AND GIVING MYSELF FREE SHIT
>>97049039here ya gohttps://youtu.be/5CVR5RuhhwY?t=1430
pulled up to an LGS the other day with a fun, janky memnarch deck.it's a fun ability but ridiculously impractical at 7 mana, so the deck is almost all artifact cost reducers and mana rocks. I also have propaganda and bounce spells for protection as I set up. by bounce spells, I mean things like into the flood maw and aetherize, not cyclonic rift. the only game changer I have in there is a sharpie copy of Mishra's Workshop, whose only job is to cast my commander.anyway, I find a pod and this huge guy in a spiderman shirt asks what my deck does. I give him the rundown and he sideeyes me and asks to go through it. I go sure, whatever, and he thinks for a long time and then says sure, you can play, but you go lastturn fucking 3, this fat fuck in the spiderman shirt elbows the guy sitting next to him and goes,>hey, he's in mono blue and he has mana open, watch outI just shake my head and say I have no counterspells in hand. guy goes>that's what they all sayand proceeds to beast within my etherium sculptor and tell everyone I'm playing a control deck, so they better watch out.finally my turn and I play a silver myr, just a silver fucking myr, and the guy goes>oh noin this cartoon-ass way, almost exaggerated, and then>see what I told you?At this point I'm getting annoyed and just show everyone my hand (now an island, a darksteel citadeel, and unsummon) to show I'm not a threat, but the other players have just fucking bought it at this point. Xyris player goes>I knew he was lying when he said he didn't have any control spellsand the rest of the table just proceeds to fucking dogpilelike I know politics are part of the game, but does that have to include being a fucking snake? are people really scared of memnarch? what should I have done differently?
>>97049087>5 manajust hold up counters for their counters
Is Avatar a financial failure for Wotc like Spooderman was?
>>97049087For 11 fucking mana total it better give me a lot of shit nigga
>>97049108Seems pretty successful
>>97049087And it's even modal
>>97049108Not even remotely. Just based on my anecdotal evidence of visiting 3 of the LGSs near me: Spiderman weekend was weak as hell, Avatar was fucking *packed*
>>97049125I've had so many scrublords rage at this card when I make them sac their strongest shit
>>97049087Nobody tell timmy about Spell Swindle his brain might explode.
>>97049097Think of the average EDH player, and then understand that half of all players are even dumber than that one person.
>>97049097>are people really scared of memnarch?It's the combination of monoblue, which already is working against you as you experienced, plus the fact that Memnarch is theft; people do NOT like theft. A well optimized Memnarch deck is fucking *brutal* like you don't even know, so people just expect yours to be as well. It's like how all the Atraxa players that say "it's not that kinda deck" and 100% mean it, but the game is 3vs1 from turn 1 because "yeah sure it's not that deck suuuuure"
>>97048084there are enough ways in red to create tokens other than goblins for a big finish. all you need is to cram every ETB burn effect into the deck you can find. and bring norin, of course.
>>97048537>pauper crowd does seem chill af from what I hearmaybe it's just my LGS, but here it's mostly students. they also experiment a lot with different decks. >>97048573in terms of meta? true.
>>97049108People are actually making build videos about Avatar I didn't see shit for Spiderman
>>97048573God I'm jealous. No one plays it here, and people have scoffed at the idea of it
Do you guys keep track of commander damage?I just play with my freinds with bracket 2 decks and it's a pain in the ass to always keep track of the damage when no one is really going for it anyways, so we don't keep track.I don't see it brought up alot, maybe voltron decks
>>97049032A borderless foil one from DMR, I opened a bunch of Remastered collector boosters because a bunch of those in foil are bussin
>>97049125kravenbros get in here
>>97049243In my pod if I'm going to get hit with commander damage, its going to be enough to kill be in one shot.But, on the rare chances I just get slapped I just used one of my various d20s, not that complicated.
>>97049249>4/3 trample for 3mana, with potential to growAs someone who started in the 90s, this is always so fucking insane to see. I remember seeing shit like 6cmc for a 3/4 flier and being impressed with it
>>97049198I've never seen Memnarch at B4 or cEDH: that's why I specifically built him for lower B3. I know I wouldn't use a 7-mana commander at a competitive table. But you learn something new every day, I guess.
>>97049258its funny, i got into magic through the dnd set, and I thought drizzt was one of the best cards ever.'a 3/3 double striker who gets stronger when something bigger dies, and a 4/1 trampler token?! thats busted!"then I played one game with cedh washouts and learned I was retarded.
>>97049264you are correct that memnarch is for the lower brackets, but what you did wrong was that you didn't embrace being the archenemymaximize the 3 GCs that you can get and just accept that you're going to be ganged up on because that's par for the course for a deck with an infinite mana outlet in the cz
>>97049277nta, I got into mtg with kardur and thought a 4cmc 6/6 demon with flying, trample and built in ramp was crazy strong.fast forward to today, and he still is crazy strong. good times.
>>97049306I don't know, kinda feels bad against an ur-dragon player, and the week after I got called a coward for using three gcs (sphinx, rhystic, one ring) in a bumbleflower deck and told that good players don't need all three
>>97049306also, infinite mana is B4, right? My deck has no possible way to generate infinite mana. It struggles to get Memnarch out before turn 6. I figure most honest B3 decks should.
>>97049249Kravenbro herehttps://moxfield.com/decks/7MYqOG8wLkCK6HKvchbBiw
>>97049324>It struggles to get Memnarch out before turn 6.My friend has a Memnarch deck. It's either boring and does nothing at all, or is an unstoppable godly juggernaut, all depending on if he gets pic rel out or not. Having a free 10+ colorless to start stealing shit with cards like Liquimetal Coating for a single blue mana is real good
>>97049346some cool stuff here but the -x/-x cards make me sad
>>97049324in the latest update gavin is ok with even 2 card infinite combos provided they're done by turn 6+ (and in general you should only be able to "consistently" win by turn 6+) for B3 so go ahead and go infinite with memnarch you're actually being more "honest" doing so
>>97049370Delete this bad faith postFuck gavin in the ass
>>97049429this
>>97049346we need reprints of some of those cards
>only build two colour decks>try to build a 4 colour deck's landbase
How mad are you?
>>97049503>Bloodbend my opponent tapping all of my lands, creatures, artifacts to get the full control during their turn>Upstart >They draw a card>Force them to take their penis out and helicopter it in front of the LGS owner
>>97049503>How mad are (You) that waterbending is just convoke + improvise?i'm fine with it
>>97049522nta but its so baffling to me. Waterbending's versatility represented as an ability to pay extra costs just doesn't fit. If anything it should be represented as tapping down opponent's permanents.
>>97049531some waterbend cards do tap stuff tbf
>>97047004a lot of JP alternate arts from Strixhaven and Neon Dynasty, including Demonic Tutor
Who is your mono-white commander?>pic related
>>97049546None of them draw cards through combat damage so I don't have one.
>>97049546Took the deck apart while ago, but this is what I used.
>>97049503Also question about this:If I cast a spell for free, would i still have to pay this 10 additionally? Can I pay the 10 additionally in that case? Is the cmc on the stack always 4 regardless of the extra 10 being paid?
>>97049562What a bitchy commander.
>>97049546Gandalf the White>went into him without knowing shit about mono white or artifacts>wanted to build him without combos and went for artifact tokens instead>ended up with a highly inconsistent deck that barely did shit because I didn't want to go for big manaOdric>place a few funny creatures, then the commander>die because that's all the deck ever didI have no trouble building consistent mono blue, black or red decks, but white proved to me that I know very little about the game.
>>97049568Nah, she's just bitchin'
>>97049546The Clue box is unironically one of my favorite products they've put out in a long time.
>>97049591forgot pic
>>97049606>put her into my rocco deck for shits and giggles>kept making 20+ tokens per turnshe's funny
>>97049657I stuck this guy in my Tidus deck and I usually don't even know what to do with all the clues.
>>97049670run a couple of waterbending cards
>>97049680How did I not think of that. Gonna go find some right now.
>>97049546This lil homie. Zero infect/toxic, a few proliferate cards, nearly every creature has double strike. The rule is I have to kill the table all at the same time (or else my pod would hate me out of the game because they're weenie lil bitches who think infect is sCaRy)
>>97049681you can also run that one card from D&D that says "tokens you control gain "T: add mana."
Postin' agane. Updates to the deck:I just took out nightclubber for pbsessive pursuit (thank you G from the lgs for the free card, you are a true fren)Hammers of Moradin is new. I havent had a chance to use it but it generates tokens, fits my tribe, and might enable me to make more aggressive combat plays. I think its a solid 3 drop.Youll notice I run way more clerics than any of the other 3 (rogue war wiz) because it turns out orzhov just has a ton of nutty clerics.Bitterblossom counts as a rogueVoice of Victory and Secure the Wastes count as warriors potentially.I put Squad commander back in as fhe warrior 4drop instead of seasoned dungeoneer. Dungeoneer is ok but my wincon is to make as many tokens as quickly as possible and I feel Squad Commander is more to the point (plust the indestructible it provides can allow me to asymetric wipe).Battle of bywater is in and I think this will be an extremely potent spell for me. 3 cmc board wipe which aims to be 1 sided and also can amass a huge amount of tokens to turn a winming position into a win potentially.The deck centers around Nadiers Nightblade, Mirkwood Bats, Zulaport, Marionette Apprentice and Disciple of the Vault as the main ways to group slug enemies to death.Ive made several lists for this deck and tweaked it irl as well. I think Ive finally optimized it (sans inf combos) about as well as it can be done.
>11+ years ago at a (long-since-defunct) LGS>regular there learns to hate me>I didn't even do anything, he's just a super serious guy and me being decidedly un-serious must've rubbed him the wrong way>he just gives me this thousand-yard stare when I'm in a game with him>naturally one of his friends is deeply amused by this>we get podded into a 4-man>everyone plays high-power goodstuff>I have Niv-Mizzet out>dude who hates me has an absurd board and is likely to win on his turn>cast Trade Secrets targeting his friend>he draws me 80 cards just so I can kill the dude>we laugh our asses off>he gets up and just stands there death-staring me>someone has to ask him if he's ok>has to walk outside and smoke for at least 10 minutes before he can come back inThe seethe was so fucking funny. Get fucked dude.
I can't wait to slap down my klingon proxies of the star trek cards and piss everybody in my group off
You only like your commander because you got fun baited by enjoyment slop
>>97049813Classic parody of poopdickschizo post
Im actually most excited for The Hobbit because its going to have food token support
>>97049503I play no creatures, use everything in my first main phase and all my spells are sorcery speed like normal anyway so I'm gucci
>>97049861I hope we get more big ol fat guys for my food deck
>>97049864But sis, Im playing it for the waterbending costI have 6 million clues in play which I tap to pay the cost
>>97049882good thing I held up T-pro mana to respond with
>>97049878This character is literally me
>>97049564Yes you can pay additional costs. Youre still casting it
>>97049878Can't forget his bae
>specify "non token artifact/creature" on 90% of cards>game instantly becomes less gay
>>97049882if I'm playing no creatures that means you ain't waterbending shit
>>97049913...what?
>>97049918anyway your shit is countered
>>97049087>doesnt even post the right one with discover X>mana drain, spell swindle, redirection, etcThe equivalent spells are things like pic rel, gigantic spells. But it's always blue that has stupid shit stapled of their counterspells that other colors can't frequently deal with. I played against a baral deck, and the amount of sheer value that counterspells generate is just cancer design. >Mana BurnRRDestroy target spell. Deal X damage to it's controller, where X is the mana value. >Mana MinionsWWExile target spell. Create X 1/1 white soldier tokens.>Mana FertilizerPut target spell on the bottom of it's controller's library, put X +1/+1 counters on target creatures you control. >Mana BargainTarget player sacrifices the spell they control with the highest mana value, you lose X life and draw X cards, where X is the cards mana value.>>97049125This is just removal. It's not; destroy target creature, gain control of it permanently. Or, destroy target permanent, discover X, where X is it's mana value. soul shatter is better.
>>97049935>i hold up 5 mana every time to deal with one (1) threat and i don't get punished for ithow timmy is your pod
>>97049935Some people just wanna type
>>97049546The first Heliod. Vigilance is my favorite keyword and being able to fuck people over with stax effects while giving myself an edge in monoW is great. He's really just there as an em*nence effect since I don't really focus on the Cleric tokens unless its late game/I have Skullclamp out.
Why didn't Wizards make these tokens...? I can't remember the last time a card was released without its tokens
>>97049249I run the R/G Kraven in my Pantlaza deck. Usually a 7/4 with Vigilance which is nice.>TQ:>have Tribute to the World Tree out>close game, last 3 of us are all 10-ish life, I have the best board currently as Etali stole Scourge of the Throne which turned into me dumpstering the 4th player and getting a bunch of buffed creatures at least 4/3 in stats per>Sauron deck casts -4/-4 spell>wipes my entire board but the stolen Throne and Etali>I quietly count up Power totals>remind him I have Skullspore Nexus>still lets the wipe pass>his turn comes, his board is gone, same with Gobbo player next>I slam one with the ensuing 24/24 token and the other just dies to Etali and a random Skullcrack I gotI got 3v1'd next game, but I still almost took all 3 of them out. Feels good.
>Sigarda's AidThis is 100% because of Final Fantasy, yeah???
>>97049878>>97049898>two of the most powerful creatures for food tribal are fat fucksI'm ok with this
>>97049546Came here to post this>>97049606She's awesome and super slept on
>>97049562one of the types of commanders that just sucks imo, either you have it out and pop off big enough that you just autowin, or it gets perma-removed (because for some weird reason people don't want all of their etb triggers denied)
>>97049370I like the general idea of brackets, but some things rub me the wrong way. Just because I enjoy slightly slower games (B2-3) doesn't mean I don't want games to be reactive or disruptive. Maybe the guy I played the other day was right and discard is only for B3 or up. Just like MLD is only for 4 and up. Fuck MLD being restricted to higher powered tiers though. Let me punish green.
>>97050233I don't think discard is inherently higher brackets, but it is inherently "evil" against other playersNaturally you're gonna get ahead if you have 5 cards and everyone has 0-1 cards in their hand, and waiting for your turn just to see what you topdeck (wow, another land) is just boring.I've never actually experienced major land destruction beyond a friend who's got Worldslayer in his deck (which is just fucking funny when he can actually get it to work), but I imagine it's not very fun either unless you "just " remove 2~ lands instead of wiping all of them. Generally though, this is just up to the opinions of the pod - if they're fine with discarding or land destruction, who cares? Rule zero it. My friend has a pretty vile discard deck that he describes as his "villain deck" that he only uses when others play exceptionally bullshit or boring decks, to punish them. I'm all for it whenever he does. Also, I'd go as far as encourage MLD against my new Earthbending deck. It feels like wotc went out of their way to take steps towards land destruction with recent cards, maybe we'll see more of that.
>>97049546When I first built this deck, I thought I would lose every game. This deck has now somehow become one of my playgroup's top scourges. I literally don't understand.
>>97048053MLD is a perfectly fine strategy and im tired of being told its not. its just unconventional combo
>>97049861>>97049878>>97049898Praying for a fun Golgari fat fuck food deck when the hobbit comes out. Of course if there is one it'll be some 3 color Abzan slop but hopefully the majority are BG.
>>97049198>Memnarch is good in regular edhI genuinely dont believe you, even with huge amounts of rocks and tutors he is SLOW unless you race to an infinite comboIts the reason i built Memnarch for Predh. He is amazing there.
How is this a 70 cent card???
>>97050284I put 9 asymmetrical discard cards in my Lord of Pain deck to slow down my opponents a little. my opponents weer a bit unlucky by me drawing two of the better ones (Aclazotz and pain magnification) though. Technicaly it is disruptive which is apparently not meant to be B2.Personally I still want things to happen in B2. Just because it's supposedly casual doesn't mean it's all rosy. but that's just my opinion.For MLD I don't really play it, cause a lot of it is a bit too much. I like the designs of Urza's sylex and planetary annihilation. Hopefully they print more stuff like that. But even then they supposedly limit them to B4 and up where games don't even last long enough to have these cards be playable.
>>97050312Same reason this gem has less than 1k decks.Its an old and obscure sleeper hit.BTW Starke is amazing, i love this guy so much.
>>97050319I don't really see the appeal of gifting removal to your opponents desu
>>97050322Oh my sweet summer child,You think youre letting them have him?>Have Starke, Untapper & indestructible creature or artifact>target indestructible, untap starke while its on the stack>target actual thing you want to hit>starke gets passed to them, then right backOR>Threaten biggest card on the board>Swing in>Kill with starkeEven better when you can use the untap combo with a threatened creatureHe is my favorite deck for a reason, nobody expects him.
>>97048434good point
>>97048713eh they were probably in the right
>"With mono black, you can cast any spell you want" he said to himself, out loud.
>>97049243Keep track of damage? I don't do any of that at all. It's my opponents job to know if they have won or lost.
Quick anon. What UB do you want the most?>noooooo I hate UBThen I wasn't asking you.
>>97050346I used to think Monster Hunter would be awesome but the secret lairs look mostly horrible so idk.
>>97050346Monster Hunter. Not because it's the worst UB (that dishonor goes to Spongebob and Spider-Man), but because it was the UB with the most squandered potential.
>>97050346Unironically Vampire the Masquerade. I'd say world of darkness but I don't think I'd want a full 400 whatever card set. It would probably work better as a set though.
>>97050318I think cards that only discard a little bit now and then (aka not "opponents discard 3 cards every time you draw a card!" etc) discard spells that just wheel your opponents (each player discards their hands and draws blabla cards) are alright, for instance a friend runs a card that reads "each opponent discards a card, then you draw cards equal to the amount of cards that were discarded this way"
This is like a custom card for Terra except it's actually real, wow.
>>97050346more 40K, there are so many untapped factions that would make great precons. (no, not an entire set, just some precon commanders like last time. UB should be a special unique treat to entice players to enter magic, not entire cashcow sets that draw focus away from 'real' magic)
>>97050411I'm including it in my upcoming firebending deck, fantastic way to invest all that mana if you were gonna lose any.
>>97050346Card Captor Sakura.Clow are Saga Creatures.
>>97050346Please disregard my post >>97050368I thought you said "Which UB do you HATE the most?"
>>97050406Syphon mind is pretty neat. Pain magnification in particular is just pretty nasty. Especially in lord of pain where you can easily get 4-5 triggers per go around. I'm plaiyng these and each isn't too bad. But if I get multiple early, it can be a bit nasty.
>>97050445never noticed that angrath steals cmc4+ creatures permanently. that's fucked up.
>>97050457If you somehow manage to skip the sacrifice part.
>>97050457>gain control of target creature until end of turn
>>97050464>>97050469yeah nevermind I read it again
>>97050346Blacked Raw
Do you read EDHREC articles?
>>97050523A cloudflare outage has to shut down every other website for 72 hours before I even think about it.
>>97050346Hear me out:>series is long running and super popular>have enough material to not need to reuse the same character twice>series is firmly rooted in magic and the power of friendship >plenty of creature options too>precures can have transform and other gimmicks>wide variety of fighting styles, meaning you have tons of options for abilities>100% guaranteed to make normies seethe>core audience (nerds in a basement) all know what precure is and they all like it
>>97050346More. Fucking. WARHAMMER.
>>97050575now that I think about it, fantasy warhammer is incredibly viable.
>>97050346I'm just gonna get ahead of the Cosmere guy now and say Cosmere.
>>97050594the fuck is a cosmere?
>>97050599Collective universe all the Brandon Sanderson novels take place in. It's all high fantasy schlock of one flavor or another.But he's a former WotC collaborator who wrote in books for them so it seems an obvious pick.
>>97050637Man his covers are generic
>>97050637Uh pretty sure they fucked him over so I doubt he'd ever work with them again
>>97050346TES would frankly be the best possible case scenario for an UB, and given Bethesda already had Fallout, isn't entirely implausible Exceedingly expansive lore and games, so you can have a full set with minimal filler and repetition, unique style to make it stand out while at the same time being a mix of regular fantasy and high fantasy concepts that would align it pretty well with MtG UW planes, so it doesn't feel that out of place And as a whole, translating color identity is relatively easy compared to many other settings
Have not worked on a deck in a week. Feels weird.
>>97049249He's so fun bros.
How do you shuffle to get your deck sufficiently randomized? I swear I'll sit here doing 10+ mash shuffles, only to draw 10 lands in a row or 10 creatures in a row.
>>97050346>Then I wasn't asking you.then leave, thread derailer
>>97050715Put the deck into 10 stacks twice. If the deck was sorted/not randomised already, do it 3-4 times instead. Usually works well.
>>97050721You came too late for this anger. Gotta get there before it gets like 10 replies
>>97050715
>>97050724nice demoralisation tactic. it will never work tho
>>97050346Series that can actually have a chance of happen and be a decent UB:>Elder Scrolls>From Software games>Discworld>Game of Thrones>World of WarcraftThere you have it.
>>97050715Cheat.>B-But if I properly shuff-You will sometimes get a ton of lands in a row. That is how randomization works. Red is not "due" because the wheel came up black twice in a row. The next spin is still 50/50.
>>97050736>Game of Thrones with a lot of Knight and Zombie tribal, and lots of Monarch synergynice.
>>97048713Honestly I think you cringing over the playmat is kinda performative. I couldn't give a shit.
>>97048713woah nigga
>>97050416Its a damn shame we didnt get commissar Cain and jurgen or orks. i was under the impression they were the most normo bait in the entire IP.
TQ>Me playing bracket 1.5 Flubbs, opponent playing some RWU tribal, vampires, and Mendicant Core vehicles, in that order relative to me>Vampires is very clearly going to kill us all next turn>RWU and Mendicant flustered because they have nothing>I have Genesis and Blasphemous Act in my graveyard, and Skullwinder on the field, but one card in hand>Me to Mendicant: I can stop [vampires] if you kill my Skullwinder>>Mendicant: I don't have anything that can kill it!>Your Mendicant can.>>But I don't want to lose my commander!>We will all lose on his next turn>>But I need my commander!>Turns happen. Nobody does anything>Vampires won>Mendicant: Damn it, we just couldn't do anything
>>97050849based blood sucker chad
>>97050828idk about the commisar, but I definitely expected an orc precon, and a precon that was just the normal guard, then separate precons with space marines (I guess mechanicum, adepta sororitas and inquisition etc joining either of them is understandable though)they could easily make >druchari black-white-green >orc red-black-green>tau blue-white-green>leagues of votann red-white-blackI'm just pullling the colour combinations out of my ass, but still kek
>>97050815NTA, but why do you even come to a text-based imageboard?
>>97050849you need to explain it to them like they are 3, anon. otherwise they will absolutely end up doing shit like that every time.
>>97050862Sure as fuck wasn't to read a near max post length post.
>>97050863I did, I just abridged it because>He asks "how?">Tell him that I can use Genesis to get Skullwinder back and then get Blasphemous, but Skullwinder needs to be dead before my upkeep>Says he doesn't have a creature strong enough>(...)Just doesn't flow right for the middle of a greentext
Those are my mono decks, who should I build for blue and green?
>>97050874browbeat them about the losing part!I'm reminded of a game where an ur-dragon player had old gnawbone and roaming throne out, and it took me actual 5 minutes to explain to the other two players that if they dont remove the dragon the guy will combo off, all the while the ur-dragon player was agreeing with me because of how obvious the play was.
How much is this going to cost?
>>97050307Never say the word slop again
How do I build a Jhoira of the Ghitu deck that doesn't get me killed ASAP
>>97050878>greenGoreclaw is fun, you get the benefit of easy green ramp + make huge creatures much cheaper and have real secure card draw (garruk's uprising effects etc that let you draw due to 4+ power creatures under your control, or simply stuff that draws on player dmg, which you'll trample through with easily) I have never made a monocolour blue deck, but I just might make a Wan Shi Tong one since I pulled him in the nice art version.
>>97050924You don't
>>97050940Ok cool, I'll just be as degenerate as possible then
>>97050974That's how you'll be seen no matter how much you puppydog eye "guys I pwooooomise I'm not playing Eldrazi" so why not?
>>97050912I'd expect most of the legends from this to be 30-70
>>97050983nta but I AM playing eldrazi and I am gonna worldfire your ass
Jodah the Unifier BUTThe deck is all the legends from the Legends set, minus the elder dragons so it's just a bunch of shitty overcosted humans. That still gives me 50 awful legends to work with. Treat of the deck is just a 5c lands+ramp package.Based or cringe?
>>97051050Based if using spongebob
>>97050878>GreenGhalta 1 or Diamond Weapon and build around having a big creature in the zone>BlueTaigam Master Opportunist, mono blue storm, spam suspended cards and copy the copies
>>97050983>he doesn't stroll up to the pod and immediately notify everyone his commander is Zhulodok or Ulalek
I was inspired by an anon in another thread and built an Atraxa level up creatures deck. These creatures are so fucking bad. Included a small +1/+1 counters subtheme (next to no payoffs other than the counters themselves) and the charge counter mana rocks but otherwise it just proliferates level up counters. Atraxa herself is just a fucked commander so I can't even say the deck is weak. This would mog precons.I rate this deck fully cringe. Don't build Atraxa no matter how unique you think you are.
>>97050878Toski and Indomitable.Both play somewhat similarly but their win conditions and interaction suites are completely different so it feels very different. You always have a full hand which is a great feeling.
>>97051050cringe if you run no interaction because you are not pulling your weight against combo
>>97050983I'll go dig out my Jokulhaups then
>>97048063Very angery Mark, the Rosewater appears out of nowhere and yells at you "NOOO, you are supposed to turn creatures sideways, not play with stack!"
I want to get a couple of precons to teach my kid nephews, you guys got any recs on Timmy decks that aren't too hard to play?
Speaking of Eldrazi, has anyone tried to make a non-shit deck that runs Azlask as the commander? He seems to favor tons of little guys versus the typical big titans strat.
>>97051169original ghaltaMindskinneremrakul
>>97051169Xenagos or a similar Gruul commander. You can hardly go any more timmy than that.
>>97051169Idk low to the ground decks that don't have crazy curves and have simple to understand win cons.
>>97051169the gruul precon from bloomburrow is a good idea
>>97051203>>97051214>>97051238Thanks for the recs, I'll do some playtesting to see how they're balanced against each other
>>97050346Overlord
about to make my first majority(probaly)-blue deck and I have some rules questionscan you ninjutsu in response to someone trying to remove an attacker? for instance,>declare attacker>person at once tries to use removalcan I then ask whether they are blocked or not at that point, and if they're not ninjutsu in response, fizzling their spell?
>>97050346dragon ball duh
>>97051214Based
>>97051335An attacking creature only becomes unblocked after blockers are declared. So you can't ninjutsu during the declare attackers step. But technically you can ninjutsu after damage.
>>97050287She makes board wipes asymmetrical and can evade commander tax, which is a pretty brutal combo for a tribe that mostly pops out 4/4 fliers
>>97050287>can be easily cheated out>protects your board>decent keywords>good statlineyeah, shes pretty good?
>>97050643he was at wizards HQ a month or two ago, on camera saying "hi I am brandon sanderson here at wizards HQ"
>>97051450>running back to wotc after what they didkwab
>>9705071510 is too many, 6 mash shuffles puts your deck into a configuration its never been in before
>>97051454it was 15 years ago, you dont need to carry the mental weight of every single person who has ever wronged you for the rest of your life
>>97051464>15No?
>>97051468ok it was like 9 years ago because he got fucked over while writing the thing. I'm going to reiterate: you dont need to carry the mental weight of every single person who has ever wronged you for the rest of your life
I can't believe how quick people's opinion turned on mechanically unique cards considering how anticonsumer wotc still is
>>97051536Sorry but what do you mean by this
>>97049981Jumpstart cards don't get their own tokens because it'd be too expensive or some bullshit
>>97050346>Full Set Magic VS Capcom with a Zero May Cry Commander Deck>Secret Lair RWBY with a bonus Blood Gulch as Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx>Secret Lair Matt Groening Cartoons
>>97049999It was that high for a while. It only really dipped because of the Captain America Secret Lair reprint. Which is a fucking miracle but it actually lowered the base price a decent amount for a while.
>>97051558oh I dropped the words "secret lair" from there
>>97051456Since I'm too stupid to do the math, but does over shuffling actually unshuffle your stuff like >>97050727 is suggesting?
>>97051588>>Secret Lair Matt Groening CartoonsSecret Lair simpsons probably isn't impossible
>>97049249This guy does seem like he'd be a fun build around. What's the usual game plan? Pack in a bunch of removal and pump up Kraven?
>>97051593I don't like secret layers but I appreciate mechanically unique cards and at this point the common opinion seems to be "UB is okay if it's something that I like"
>>97050895I hate games like that. It’s people with no idea of threat assessment or they want to basically play patty-cake all game until someone sets up enough for a single turn win. Like goddamn I know it’s edh but stop being afraid to sacrifice your commander if it keeps you alive another turn or 2 and look for that game winning play. This is why I love playing Evereth, none of my pieces are so valuable that I don’t mind blowing my own shit up to hamstring everyone else
>>97049546Purphorus Bronze Blooded and Vincent so far. Love the sneak attack Purphorus
>>97049546Odric. The value he gives even small 1/1 creatures is great and mono white combat focused is fun. He got me into wanting to experiment more with mono color decks and it's become one of my favorite ways to build decks.
*teleports behind your pauper pod*...
>>97049546This guy.
>sit and assemble engines with no interaction >attack and throw out removal wihout thinking>actual smart gameplay with proper assessment I can never find the latter
>pod is now using dogshit like fierce guardianship and flawless maneuverthere is no gamemode so desperately in need of a community banlist than this one. These cards are fucking retarded. I don’t know why nosewater keeps thinking free spells are a good idea but out of mana should fucking mean out of mana most of the time, not have a kiestered nigger spell that kills my game on my turn with absolutely no setup required.
>>97049546https://archidekt.com/decks/17251700/i_hurt_myself_todayI'm currently building a Darien deck but struggling to cut the last ~20 cards or so.
>>97051682I kind of prefer the other Odric that lets you decide your opponents blockers. Super funny when your opponents realize they can’t block your or you can just force their best things to die blocking your chumps
>>97049722Backgrounds were and interesting design space that I keep hoping they'd return too. Being able to take advantage of the party mechanics is cool. Seems like a fun list there anon.
>>97051693Cringe as fuck.
>>97051699in your own gameplay or what?
>>97051722Might swap to Dwight
>>97051701I don’t mind things like the Flares since you have to sac a nontoken creature, so it does have an extra pseudo-cost that you have to think about but yeah stuff like Force of Will, the free Ikoria spells, and the like are impossible to account for and makes it where you have to assume they have them at all times in their hand
>>97051701Make your own list then and enforce it in pods
>>97051714The other Odric is definitely fun for how he decides entire board states sometimes. I play both together since they naturally do well together and it's great. Sometimes it's a free get in and sometimes it's forcing your opponents to block all your indestructible 1/1s with death touch with any of their important things.
>>97051699better than my pods which are just spite plays and niggas playing patty cake because the other players will tard rage and suicide rush into you if you do anything. No one in my pods actually plays to win so theres zero strategy you just play their feelings which gets boring after one game.
>>97051740I’m gonna get poorfag accusations if I try. The pods I play in already shame players for using proxies and I know trying to devalue their “investment” by banning stupid cards is just gonna backfire and make me look bitter. I’m just venting and assmad I dont have a real solution and I’m probably just gonna quit.
>>97051693You can really tell that wasn't painted upside down when you flip it and see how mangled that hand is
>>97051746This is why I have started playing more aggressive/mean decks like my Golbez deck. If people don't understand that the point of the game is to play to win, instead of just fuck around on the board, then I will win lol.
>>97051701Just play grand abolisher dummy
>>97051744Nta but its such a shame that Boros Odric doesn't really do anything. Love the art and concept.
I think the new Katara is a better monoblue commander than Urza
>>97051770It's almost like people don't want to ban that shit and it's a you issue
>>97051810guess so. cya
>>97051722>WRONG SCRIMBLO BRIMBLO AHHH
>>97051816Spiderman will never be cool, anon. Especially not in MTG, and especially not with such a mechanically boring design.
>>97051795Man, they REALLY wanted blood tokens to work, didn't they?
>>97051818>It's just not quenchy enough! That's le rough buddy
>>97051818If you think Spiderman is corny, just wait for the TMNT UB set. TOTALLY RADICAL PIZZA TIME!!
>>97051820Only blood commander worth a shit and he can't use most blood cards because they are rakdos
>>97051820I think blood tokens would have worked if they were draw then discard, instead of discard then draw. The 1 mana cost is fine otherwise.>>97051826Yeah I mean, I just relentlessly target anyone playing cringe UB stuff regardless of it being a good idea for me to do so. It's especially funny when you look at how stupid the average UB slop 'enjoyer' is >>97051821
>>97051795It really is a shame. Only barely ties in mono white Odric's effect but without being as interesting. Makes me wish they'd do a proper revisit to Innistrad so as to see what new version of him he'd get. I've really grown to like this guy as I've played with the deck and I'd want his vampire but still standing for the people form to be something worth building, but it just isn't.
>>97051691nobody plays pauper EDH
>>97048053I only ever played Commander once at an LGS. (Usually just go for Yugioh, used to play Modern about a decade or so ago). My friends and I all are much more accepting of counterspells, spot removal, and disruption in general than the average commander pod. After two games where it was clear I was making the other players upset, I packed up my cards and left.
>>97051820They do just sort of suck. They're really held back by the fact you have to discard first. Which I get. They didn't want to run the risk of them being too good but they course corrected a little too much. Maybe if they let you pay 2 to draw first. I don't know. The only deck I actually use blood tokens in is Ivora and she's just pure discard so discarding first is negligible. And even then discarding after would be a massive boon. Otherwise I don't think most decks would want blood tokens outside of general artifact synergy decks
>>97051691Hi, Claude Fire Emblem!
Most fun treasure commander? I want to feel like an actual entrepreneur building skyscrapers and shit, not some filthy aristocrat trying to make some filthy sac interactions
>>97049546I have an addiction to aristocrats decks.
>>97051820Clearly not enough>>97051843>Makes me wish they'd do a proper revisit to Innistrad so as to see what new version of him he'd getI agree. It's such a great setup for a major character in the setting too. Maybe something like when you crack an artifact you put your choice of a keyword counter (menace, vigilance, first strike) on a creature. Or discarding a card with a keyword puts a counter of that keyword type on him, something like that.>>97051867>Maybe if they let you pay 2 to draw first. I don't know.Sadly they'd just be worse clues then. I think that's the real rub: they are just worse than clues in 90% of contexts. Even when you want the discard outlet there are so many better options. The pay offs for blood specifically are also quite ass outside of a single card from decent card from BLC and even then it doesn't NEED blood specifically to trigger
>>97051611Yes, it becomes less random at certain breakpoints of shuffling
>>97051611it does, to a degreeI used to cheat shuffle like this a school lunch games
>>97050346MKM: Scooby Doo
>>97051874not really what you're after, but if you play pirates/treasures you can get a lot of +1/+1 counters with captain storm
>>97051874Maybe? He's the only card off the top of my head who cares about not sacing his treasures
>>97051816Spiderman is unapproved Scrimblo albeit
>keep attacking with a shitload of power>exile your entire library after a few turnsIs there anything non-blue decks can do about this? Labman/Jace are the only two cards that prevent you from losing with an empty library, afaik
>>97051935>they'd just be worse clues thenI meant that they'd could have two modes. That could pay 1 to do the current effect but then 2 to draw first before discarding. But that's probably needlessly complicated and the point still remains the same. Clues are usually better. Outside of dedicated discard decks that want repeatable discard outlets and artifact synergies. But usually those are the last minute discards you go to after your other discard options are used. The Lord Of The Rings set had a couple of food buff options and synergies. I'd hope they'd eventually do the same for blood.
>>97052178>The Lord Of The Rings set had a couple of food buff options and synergies. I'd hope they'd eventually do the same for blood.True. I'm a huge foodfag and I love those cards
>>97050346I would unironically buy a booster box of the RNC set.t. man who only buys singles and sometimes plays prerelease
>>97051821>You no like le spooderman? Well look at these uncommons from avatar that reference scenes people like! No, I will not stop kvetching about them, that is the same thing as hot dawg cart and begals!
>>97052146damn you bitch, i was literally going to post this.But yeah vihan is the only treasure commander i can think of that isnt a dragon or demon sac thing too.
> womanLoves cute creaturesLoves group hugDoesnt even know what brackets areLoves bracket 1 jankFavorite color: whiteWoman (>she/>her)Loves winningLoves combo"What bracket are we all playing?"Loves staple pilesFavorite color: simic
>>97048299Can you break it down for my why it works? I am retarded and dont understand why
>>97052173kek, I ran into the same problem today while testing my sauron wraith tribal + additional combat steps deck. can put a complete damper on your lead if you don't have a plan to sac him.
>>97052240>I attack for lethal>Nuh uh, no uRead the cards if you need a further explanation
>>97052246It was confusing tho cause palm affects only one creature and presumably the opponent was going wide. Could be a fake story
>>97051097The legends have some interaction stapled to them...
>>97052261nta, but all the saprolings were 60/60 or something. so i assume even one having its damage reflected back would be lethal.
>>97052261Angel's Grace means his life won't go down below one that turn. His opponent is swinging out with a bunch of creatures that would one shot anyone. He Deflecting Palms one of those big creatures back at that opponent. He doesn't lose because of Angel's Grace but the attacking opponent does because redirecting even one Saproling back is fatal.
>>97052269I suppose but wouldnt it just be a draw in that case?
>>97052279Angel's Grace
>>97052261fucking zoomers I swear
>>97051874my nigga here generates an increasingly large pile of gold and uses his money to buy more money
>>97051874does magda count?
>>97052287Please understandI was raised on cocomelonI have the attention span of a goldfish
>>97052301> gay dragon> izzet> treasuresBASEDASED
>>97052261Im the anon that asked and was confused because there was no mention of going wide or if he was even being attacked or not. Its obvious why it would work, but the way it was worded it seemed like he wasn't getting attacked. Its fine i get it now
>>97050572I would buy this, but absolutely nobody else would. Magical Girl stuff is too polarizing.
>>97052338>there was no mention of going wideMaybe you were raised on cocomelon too anon
>>97052338Why would someone with massive wide board only swing at one person
>>97052243The idea has prevented me from building similar decks. If there was an out I'd gladly build it
>>97052364>>97052351Yea i get get it now. I didn't assume enough
>>97052323Also an extremely cool interaction with howling mine because you have a guaranteed which gives howling mine a tap effect
>>97048053>TQ>forgot to bring my mid-power deck to commander night>have to play with my low-power deck>slowest to get going, lowest ceiling even when I am "online">get attacked whether I have creatures or not>stuff gets removed because it has no innate protection >low on cards because my creatures don't float in to more cards>my low-power deck is too slow for the table>my only other deck is too fast for the table>suffer because I'm too stubborn to call it a night and just leaveno magic is better than bad magic, and I punished myself for it
>>97052146Yeah Vihaan is pretty cool because he opens up a lot of things you can do with your treasures other than just saccing them. You can use them to do improvise stuff, outlaw tribal, artifact tribal, aristocrat stuff. Even at its most basic the 'make treasures main 1, swing them, spend them main 2' is pretty fun.
>>97051874You can technically build it as a treasure commander.
>>97052384Howling mine? Run static orb
>>97052482Military industrial complex: The commander
>>97050878Seconding Goreclaw. I built it around Green's lineup of 4-6 mana utility creatures, plus some more cost reducers, and a good 10 pieces of spot removal (Naturalize effects and Fight spells).
>>97052482
>dude at the LGS runs a nasty mill deck with multiple wincons>"its a clean 1"Fuck me man they need to put more emphasis on the intent part of brackets, so many people ruleshark by just sticking to the hard restrictions of the brackets.I say this as someone who thinks brackets are a big improvement over the previous system, they need to communicate the actual point of them better.
>>97051169Not to be a broken record but gruul dragons Vrondiss is unplayably 1 dimensional and boring.Little timmy will love it
>>97052666Inb4 angleshooters and trolls reply to post the same fucking infographic and tell you to stick to bracket 2
>>97052666They need to make a system that works. Which sure as fuck isn't brackets
>>97052682It wasn't a clearly bracketed match anyway i just thought it was obnoxious that he claimed his deck to be a 1 when the actual powerlevel was more like a low 3.
>>97052686When people ask me what (((bracket))) Im playing I just tell them I dont run infinite combos and I describe what things the deck can do.
>>97050878baru wurm tribal
>>97052686There's no possible system that can regulate casual powerlevels sufficiently, they just need to explain more clearly that the primary purpose of brackets is to be communication tools, they're not hard rules that people should try to minmax and weren't intended to be.
>>97052700What are you talking about bro-bro?!Brackets is just game changers and infinites, There's nothing else, bro-bro.
>>97052700>they just need to explain more clearly that the primary purpose of brackets is to be communication toolsYes but in reality they achieve the opposite effect because now people dont even attempt to have a discussion about their deck, they just say "its a 3". The bracket system actually makes rule 0 discussion more difficult.
>>97051820It would've helped if they actually made good commanders and cards that took advantage of them instead of everything around them from madness to cards like pic rel being hot fucking garbage.
>>97052666You should've told him bracket 1 decks don't exist.
>>97052235>Favorite color: simicSensible chuckle
I just realized that every deck I've enjoyed enough to keep around is graveyard-centric. Reanimator, aristocrat, dredge, etc., but all graveyard focused. What are some fun commanders that don't mess with the graveyard?
>>97052734The best cards for them is shit like these that just care about a massive pile of artifacts in general, which is much easier to do with other tokens like treasures/clues anyway. Blood seems like it was an afterthought even when it was first released
>>97050312someone played that the other day and tried to pop off and then asked "what's threshold" sad
>>97052235Most women I know play Rakdos when they don't play Selesnya I noticed.>>97051701Just use it as an excuse to snipe commanders on the stack.
>>97051627thing about kraven is he picks up counters passively from your opponents doing things and a boardwipe gives you 1 card per (opponent) creature killed
>>97050346Project Moon
>>97051627I bought kraven but I havent made a deck yet. But yes Id imagine running all the nutty removal spells (yes even things like Toxic Deluge) is enough to make him work. The idea would be to just keep removing opponents creatures and then voltron with him
>>97052931The girl at my lgs actually beat me with her group hug deck. I was playing my meme deck and Indid misplay at the end but she beat me fair and square with it. Unironically put down her knitting to announce that I forgot about her platinum angel then she counter attacked me for lethal
I think i want to build Terra into a proper reanimator deck by having her pull stuff like this, which then pulls big guys.Is that a workable idea or too inconsistent?
>>97052951This but tsukihime and not fateslop.
>>97052931My wife exclusively plays Izzet spellslinger piles. She's tried other decks, and didn't like them as much. There's nothing she enjoys more in this game than sequencing kill turns.
>>97052993I think you misunderstood. I said Project Moon (LobCorp, Ruina, Leviathan, Distortion Detective, Limbus), not Type Moon.
>>97053017I have small eyes. Thank you for the correction.
>>97052994Holy based.My group one time did the thing where we passed decks to the left. The girl in our group gave me crank-o which was kinda fun. I gave the Eldrazi guy my izzet spell slinger deck and he looked amd acted like a caveman trying to comprehend sequencing XD
>>97052210wotc would never, unfortunately
this card seems pretty good for voltron? is there a reason i never see anyone pkay it
Trying to make a Toph mono green deck that's landfall to ramp into bigger threads while having the Commander experience thing as a backup to not die. It made me realize maybe earthbending isn't really made for commander in mind....
How do you deal with having a bunch of tokens that have different amounts of +1/+1 counters?It seems like that kinda gameplay just isn't actually playable in paper.
>>97053044there's 5 other cards you'd play before it
>>97053044>4 mana>does nothing>no protectionIt's shit.
>>97052210>>97053043Does it still hold up
>>97053063yeah safe horny land animating that makes those lands literally unkillable/unexilable because we can't have retarded little Commanbotomites deal with their lands being removed or otherwise interacted with, even if they are in the color of ramp and land recursion anyways clearly wasn't designed with WotCs most lucrative format in mind.
>>97053075Define "a bunch". I bought this off amazon for like 10bux a while back and it's helped so much. For lots of +1/+1 counters use d20s. If you need like.. dozens of counters for dozens of tokens, then man good luck
>>97053126No I mean, lets say i get a token one turn, it gets +1, next turn i get a new token, all my creatures get +1 again, now those tokens have different amounts of +1 counters and i can't bunch them up as one token with a die on them, they have to be different token cards.If that happens, how am i supposed to physically deal with that? My mat fills up so quickly when i play landfall with tokens and +1 counters that i honestly feel like my only option is to just cut down on token gen.
>>97053140use the dice themselves as tokens
>>97053140Oh, shit like pic rel? Yeah fuck that good luck mate. Carry around like 50 spindown d20s and just tick each up at a time on each token, individually, is literally your only option. If you're not spamming the board with tokens then the dice I posted are perfect. Just put one dice each on each token, ticking up as needed
>>97053079I played Rance 03, Dai Sengoku Rance, and the Sparrow mod for Kichikuou Rance this year and enjoyed all of them a lot.Highly recommend Dai Sengoku Rance especially.
>>97053126whats the advantage of using those over regular d6?sure the occasinal -1/-1 counter arises, but i just use a different colored one for those instead
Anyone have any fun mono green deck to play with Eldrazi?
>>97053191In longer games someone might wonder "is that +1/+1 or -1/-1". Someone else might use d6s for other effects and get confused as to what that specific die on that specific creature means. Just quality of life, nothing more.
>>97053203Eladamri Korvecdal
>>97053044Depends on what colors you do and don't have.
>>97051693Fellow Parker Chad.This deck is fun.
>>97052977You probably mainly still play the smaller dudes but you can play a decent amount of big reanimation targets.Elesh Norn doubles Karmic Guide and Sister Hospitaller triggers.
>>97052977Honestly I wouldn't worry too much about it. Terra is ridiculously easy. You can build her however and she'll do the thing with ease. As long as you've got some deck searching to send the key pieces you want to the grave or just mill hard enough you can do proper reanimator too.
>>97050346Give me my Rin and Seri alter, wizards.The rest of the setting works too, I guess...
>>97053191That's like saying, what is the advantage of using a card of a token instead of a dice.Technically, nothing beyond making to more clear to yourself and the rest of the table to track what is what and what's on it
>>97050346Metaphor ReFantazio
>>97051820They were originally suppose to scry.
>>97053549That feels like it would have been even worse. I guess since a lot of red made blood tokens they didn't want to give red scry?
>>97052951To elaborate a bit further, I think it would work well with each color trio representing a Sepirah/Qlippah, the corresponding Head Librarian/Ensemble Distortion being headliner commanders for that color trio's mechanics, and the various factions of the City, Abnormalities, and so on fitting within relevant 2-color ranges. Counters are a natural fit for the overarching mechanical identity of the set, due to stacking buffs/debuffs being a core of the PM's mechanical identity.
>>97053624They changed it because player would hold up all their blood tokens to use for blood sacrificing effects rather than using them immediately.
Best planechase commander that can be built for creating fun for the table, and not just super competitive? It's for a party night
>>97053642With how her floor works, I'd love to see a quality proxy of this card based on Malkuth.I can also see a cycle of Singularity Legendary Enchantments, with Cogito giving your spells convokeprovise to represent the production of Enkephalin.
>>97053642>To elaborate a bit furtherWith Thassa's Oracle's ETB on the stack, I cast Demonic Consultation and name "Someone Who Asked."GG
>>97053736Unironically probably a Doctor Who card. Look into Second Doctor and possible companions for him.
>>97053814Illegal target. Judges, seize this man.
How do you pronounce _______ in card names
Could I have a cool commander that is both Red and Blue? (extra colours besides that is fine)
>>97053736Unless you want to go with one of the Doctor Who commanders/pairs, this guy and The Space Family Goblinson have dice roll related effects that don't care about the number on them. Otherwise, just consider Planechase to be a rotating gimmick and build a deck with a more incremental wincon so you're spending more time rotating.
>>97053880Yeah I already looked at all the commanders that mention dice and didn't care much for what I saw. A lot of them care more for *what* you roll rather than just rolling *a* die, which doesn't help
it's weird how many dr who cards care about planechase
>>97053075Finally got to play Cathar's Crusade, huh?
>>97053895only 3 unless I missed something. A lot more care about time traveling for suspend cards
>>97053895The decks came with ten planechase cards, so they were made with the format in mind.
>>97053856
>>97053921Missy.
>>97053075>just isn't actually playable in paperThey have these little things called token cards, that represent tokens so you can know how many you have and the ones that are tapped or untapped or have different counters instead of just a pile of dice.They're made of paper too!
>>97053140Here's the quick and dirty way to do it: Place 6d6 down in a row, with each d6 facing a different pip upwards. These are your placeholder dice. When a token gets a +1/+1 counter, you move it into the column with the one facing upward. When it gets a second, you move it into the column with the two facing upward, so on and so forth all the way up to the 6. This is scalable all the way to using d20s but you shouldn't do that for space and sanity reasons. D10s are a good middle ground and you should be swinging with a token board this large.
>>97053921https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3A%22chaos+ensues%22
>>97053943oh huh, neat>6 cards where the text includes “chaos ensues”Wow the selection is grim. And Missy being 6cmc makes her not really viable. There really should've been someone at 2-4cmc
>>97053974Yeah, didn't know that "chaos ensues" was a thing, since the planechase cards got errata'd to it apparently
decks with this vibe?
>>97053997ms bumbleflower
>>97053948I really like boros goblins. Wish theme was expanded on with more goblins in the theme.
>>97053999ALWAYS target the group hug player
>>97054006This chad and Welcoming Vampire have helped so much in white decks for card draw. Goddamn.
>>97054013Go ahead, swing into the 6/11 flying rabbit
>>97054013>Kwain player shows up>people never wanna attack him or remove it because "why would I he's helping me!"Goddammit why do people have to learn this shit the hard way every time???
>>97054041I stopped playing politics commanders because everyone is retarded
>>97054041>I'm mana screwed, I'm not drawing enough>You are free to attack into me so I can block and we can both get some impulse>Nah, bro. I'll just not do anything and complain about it.Group hug just seems not worth it at all, people take it when they shouldn't, and they refuse when they clearly need to do a little deal with the devil
>>97053895Dr. Who precons came with special planes for Planechase, so they wanted to push that as the casual sidegame Who fans could play.
>>97054013This is a self-report that you think the group hug player is better at using their resources than you.
>>97054116/edhg/'s idea of group hug is that it just helps two other people (who are probably friends with the group hug player) win the game and make you lose. Also group hug isn't using its resources because it is only trying to give people stuff to make the game crap. They don't try to win or have wincons
UNBAN MY ZESTY ELF ALREADY WOTC FUCKERS
>>97049492Five of each basic, six shocks, six pains, five utility. Salt to taste.
>>97049546Don't have one. But if I did.
>>97050300Some players deserve to have their things broken
>>97050300makes me feel bads. not ok
>>97054116Obviously. Any halfway competently built group hug deck is made to take advantage of the resources you're giving out better than the opponents can. They draw an extra card, you draw two extra cards, create a 1/1 with flying, a 0/1 scion, and put a +1+1 counter on something.
>>97054210Ah man. This asshole was the bane of everyone's existence at my lunch table back in highschool.
>>97054234I'm sleeving up pic related as we speak.
>>97053191I use both in case I have +1,+1 counters and something that makes a lot of tokens so I can tell quantity vs power. Like Anim Pakal she gets counters then makes lots of gnome tokens. So I use the +dice on her and have 2 gnome paper tokens each with a regular dice on them so i can tell how many I have and change the number on them to denote which ones are tapped/ untapped. Makes it easier to track if either counter has a way of going exponential
>>97054188>your zesty elfall of them are zesty, ya twit
>>97054328One is zestier than the others. He brings so much zest that even the rule committee seethes about it to this day.
>>97054336Unban him, ban this retarded pile of cancer, imho
>>97054336what the fuck are they even afraid of? Green stompy? Big Hurricane? i add this to the "banned because a RC member lost to it once 20 years ago"
>>97054359I've put Rofellos, Prime Time and Sylvan Primordial back into my Azusa deck. My pod let me play it and it's more than doubled the win rate. They are strong, sure, but not cEDH strong. Let bracket 4 players have fun.
>>97054371sexo
>>97050331would you mind sharing a list?
>>97054371>I can;t win when I have to think about my curve, I can only win when I have unlimited mana with out without an infinite Wowzers.
>>97054381I like making big mana and turning big creatures sideways. Simple as. I can't wait to make a red green deck that does the same, but has nothing but creatures/enchantments to make things like Lurking Predators and Wild Pair pop off. I have no idea what commander I should use yet.>>97054412Not at all. It's a strong deck without them. Fair, but strong. It's just much stronger with them in it. When you can consistently get Rofellos/Oracle of Mul Daya/Lotus Cobra with Azusa out early, Prime Time is just a bonus at that point.
>>97054371As soon as you make bracket 3.5
>>97054429I'm not against that. I think there should be a beginning middle and end bracket for non-competitive EDH. Sometimes you play with a lot of game changers but the deck isn't strong. Make that bracket 4, and bracket 5 for the game-changer heavy decks that are trying to win fast at almost all costs.
>>97054423i too love beatdown, my favourite is Naya Samut (which is mostly gruul), but i dont have a pure Gruul deck yet. Been eying picrel for some time. I hate enchantress, but this is one i can get behind
>>97054359>Big Hurricane?My Ognis deck loves casting Hurricane with X>30. It's great fun, what are they scared of?
>>97054359Probably a turn 4 hardcast Emrakul.
>>97050319He lied, like a liar.I don't know much about the lore but from the cards this Starke guy seems like a real character
>>97050319So you just run expedition map + homeward path with this guy right?
>>97050346I would adore a Dark Crystal Secret Lair. Full set UBs are always ass though.I'd be open minded about a Game of Thrones UB but modern design would be ass and ruin it. Thematically and aesthetically I don't hate it.
>>97054346if a green player runs this they're probably the annoying sweat type of green player who can't build a deck without staples.
Can they just power creep this to a usable mana cost already?4 would be perfect, 6 is too god damn much>Use Karmic justic4 player game, people should be forced to realize how much it will cost everyone else to fuck around like an idiot.
>when your opponents have no way to deal with a random pet card and lets you run away with the game>looping brainstorm and putting fractured realm room on topI was told this is completely cancer
>>97054642I pulled a foil version of this and its awesome every time he comes out
>>97054671>card looks like a black card >is greenI really, really hate these new card designs.
>>97054671>The mana tripler goes off hugeNo.Fucking.Way.
>>97054687fake fan
>>97054671I'll admit I do like this art. Weird choice for Nyxbloom Ancient but whatever. Also looks like it's the cheapest printing of it.
>>97054694How so? And fuck that's a throwback. I had a Johan deck back in 2012. I made it to be the jankiest weakest EDH deck, and it mostly contained spiders. It was fun. I should rebuild it. Having vigilance on a stick for Naya beats is underrated.
>>97054234group hug players have free propaganda "oh I won't attack you you're giving me cards"
>>97050346I've occasionally made custom DC cards of questionable balance for fun since 2008, so DC is my most wanted.They'd fuck it up though.
>>97054234cool chump blockers, anyways i banefire your face for x=40 because you drew me my combo.
>>97054774Which is again why you kill the group hug player, they are either going to take advantage of the resources better than you or feed somebody's combo.
>>97054774>radiateNot this time cuck
Best commander for when you just want to watch the world burn?
>>97054809sorry i have ricochet trap in hand now cuz you drew me so many cards
>>97054774Cool, in response I Borne Upon a Wind and win with Thoracle.
>>97054840Cool. in response I cast counterspell with tereise neilson art force of will backup. You lose, bitch
>>97054822We both know a grixis deck dedicated solely to manipulating win cons will have more resources such as display of power and mindbreak than a standard deck
>>97054236He was my first rare from my middle school days. I built him before as a stax deck. It was really strong but boring to play.
>>97054336This nigga zesty
>>97054336this being banned and then printing vivi is so fucking stupid
>>97054821
>>97049546>>97051702I want to build a Darien deck bros, but it just seems so ass. How do you solve the big 3 problems to not make him bracket 1 shit?1. Ramping to 6 in mono white2. A 6 cost 3/3 Commander that dies to everything and does nothing3. General White shittyness.
>>97054855Not so fast, I have my breaking news Mindbreak Trap and pixel art Secret Lair Fierce Guardianship.
>>97054894Well. Those weaknesses are actually strengths. Nobody thinks you're a threat. Once he is out nobody wants to attack you. You can build the deck to do damage to yourself to build tokens, and then make an explosive play for lethal. I didn't put much ramp in mine. It's not super strong, but it surprises people a lot and wins more than it should. Humility absolutely wins games.https://archidekt.com/decks/14945737/darien_king_of_kjeldor_humansoldier_lifegain_tokens
im just glad i see way fewer cyc rifts since the bracket update
>>97054918Nice try, Gavin.
>>97054890To be fair, wotc only did one of those things
>>970548941. Plenty of artifacts and other spells to do that, but why need to ramp if your commander does nothing?2. What he does is give consequences if anyone attacks you. 3. That just gives you an excuse to think outside the box and use cards you've never thought about. Have fun.
>>97054891seconded
>>97054909Sorry kid, I already have Shadow the Hedgehog in play, and cast all my spells with treasure.
Would this card in Toph allow me to play artifacts from the graveyard?
>>97055016An artifact card in your graveyard isn't an artifact you control.
>>97055016no
>>97055077It could be for all I know. Didn't watch the movie, won't watch the movie.If the cards are good, the cards are good. Same as any UB.
>>97055006you're my treasure anon
>pshhh ahahahaha!This article reads like satire written in 2018 by /pol/.
I'm getting a little tired of my pod being fucksWho should I build to just be a faggotI know GA is king faggot, but I honestly think Tiny Bones would be more annoying.
>>97055114Arbiter
>>97055109Counterpoint: magic was made by wypipo for wypipo
>>97055114>Who should I build to just be a faggotKinnan, xe/xir prodigy
>>97055016toph does not make artifact cards in other zones into landsyou don't 'play' nonland cards
>>97055114I don't like control/stax, but I fucking H A T E discard. I will straight up refuse to play discard decks. I've scooped turn 1 when someone at the table made someone else discard. You want people to hate you? Play discard and let them never have any cards literally ever
>>97055163have a board pussy
>>97055143holy fuck, is this the single most perfect commander for Worldfire??? Comes back for free, with haste is insane. It's like having an anti-oblivion-ring as a commander I'm in awe
>>97055182>>97055182>>97055182>>97055182
>>97054445>Sometimes you play with a lot of game changers but the deck isn't strong.that's called an against the odds edh deckget a grip and just be honest with yourself
>>97055200>that's called an against the odds edh deck>get a grip and just be honest with yourselfWhat does that even mean? I grew up with out pod frowning upon infinites, especially two cards ones and we liked battlecruiser EDH. We built strong decks, but we built them "fair" and had giant battles turns 8-12 to determine winner. No faggy infinite wins out of nowhere that didn't allow interaction, no extra turn bullshit, etc. It was how the game was meant to be played. In fact we each had a few OG EDH generals in our stable just to keep it real.
>>97055220>I grew up with out pod frowning upon infinites, especially two cards ones and we liked battlecruiser EDH. We built strong decks, but we built them "fair" and had giant battles turns 8-12 to determine winner. No faggy infinite wins out of nowhere that didn't allow interaction, no extra turn bullshit, etc.'>It was how the game was meant to be played. that's totally your pod and not what you should expect other people to thinkyou have to accept that wotc owns edh now and at a certain point they can't please every timmy out thereit's been 3 betas and it's still 5 brackets; they've clearly made up their minds what the "formats" will be so time to act accordingly like what 60 card people have done since i dunno 1996
>>97055077Id rather they just dropped the pretense and did a K-pop idol lair. Give me mono white moka i love her so much
>>97055087>>97055298fucking SPINELESS
