Toph Edition>Bans (new)https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-november-10-2025>NewsThe 2025 Magic Con and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>97037555 >TQDo you think that the bending mechanics will be relevant this time a year from now?
>>97055082Why is the thread picture fucked up?>TQNo it will not be
I've never had a gf, is MtG a good game to obsess about?
>>97055106I love the old logoWhere do I play premodern?
>>97055181No, mtg is only enjoyable casually with friends. Obsession is not recommended.
>3/4 do nothing used to be a modern stable and 200 bucksUnreal, wild even. Just think about it, there was a meme about bolting Goyf and not killing it so it was genuinely a turn 3 3/4.
>>97055215Take me back
>>97055082Can we go to Lorwyn asap? This Avatar shit makes me wanna puke. Specially every time someone uses that Earthbend garbage.
>>97055246>waaaah I want to get away from the hot teen girls and go to the lisa frank romantasy planeYou are gay and homosexual
>>97055278>hot and sexy children>an mtg set based on a show for toddlersMiss me with that shit
What basic lands are the most soulless?
What is the most sovlfvl deck currently in Modern?
>>97055324What were they thinking
>>97055407>"money"
>>97055278Sorry Pedo, you may want to try Yu Gi instead of Magic.
>>97055414I was going to say at least the pizza doesn't look like generic AI wallpaper slop, but the more I look at it the more I change my mind
>>97055414you can convince me this shit was not made with ai, is so hideous but at the same time so absurd only a machine would have done it.
>>97055414>plains>not just plain cheese pizza
>>97055414For me it’s that weird banana+garlic? Thing that makes the whole thing suspicious.
>>97055414Whether these lands were made with AI or not isn't important. They just look awful. There is no way wizards were like "yo dude, make these pizzas as sloppy and disgusting as possible." Also the Mountain is so shit. It just makes zero sense why anyone would stab the pizza from the underside and then hold it like that.
The Pokemon lands were my least favorite for a long time.
>>97055491The ninja turtles exclusively eat bizarre fucked up pizzas
>>97055705An allegory for mtg players. No wonder WotC chose this IP.
playpremodern
Is UR Prowess the cheapest bullshit deck in Modarn? I have the lands
>>97055187New England
>>97055775If you have the lands, yes go for it. The deck is like $100 if you have the lands, its proven, fast and resilient
Should I just cash out my collection? It’s about 10-20k worth. I kinda just wanna buy a sex doll and a rig that can do AR for whenever AI is good enough to give me an clanker waifu.
>Jewish food is white in magic>Better and easier to shareWhat did WoTC mean by this?
>>97055996You'll be back... They always come back...
>>97056039I dunno man. UB really fucked it up.
Dont forget to thank Spooderman for flopping so hard (to (((scalpers)))) that they fucked off for a while a while atleast
>>97055748Mox Opal should not be that expensive
>>97055414how will this help them sell cards?
>>97056213cards?
>tap pizza for mana to cast spongebob counterspellwake me up inside
>>97056225>sitting here refreshing waiting for someone to post thisive lost control of my life
One on hand I kinda want to buy the draft and collector boxes of nu-Lorwyn, and on the other hand I know all the white cards are going to suck and be full of niggers and shitskins again. But then again I enjoyed old Lorwyn and I’m saving SO much money from avoiding the pig slop that I’m getting bored from not having much new Magic lately.
>>97056254You could try a new card game like One Piece
>>97055215everything is becoming overpowered. the decks are all strong even in pauper.
>>97056258Never watched the show, cards look stupid and unintuitive.
I fucking bet there is just this one dev in wotc who is OBSESSED with all these alternative costs>free evoke in MH>warp>impending>most likely designed beans too to get their fetish satisfiedwho the fuck is it!?
My LGS's auction house is selling this. Should I get it and what should my max bid be if so? It's a life counter in case you couldn't tell.
>>97056379can't really tell the craftsmansip from just one image but some of those cut edges look kinda shoddy. there is no signature either soo I wouldn't bid much. it's cute but you can make one at home for like 5 bucks and a couple hours
From what we've seen so far it looks like nu Lorwyn is going to be 20-30% original Lorwyn and the rest is the same material but put through a generic fantasy MMORPG filter. Might not be worth coming back for after all
>>97055333Will there be black Kithkin?
>>97055333https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7471292#paper
>>97056432>4x Urza's Saga
>>97056443you're free to play the deck without them, just don't expect to win any games lol
>>97056431you betcha
>come from 3 consecutive standard legal set>cover 5 colorsDare I say, kino
Listen I just need a FIRE designed elf. The fish people, humans and goblins had their fun, I just want Elves to become modern relevant again, bowmaster and plague engineer were enough punishment.
>>97056516>I want my tribal slop to be FIREd upbrainlet mindset
>>97056516>be FIRE designed elf in your pathIt's not strong enough to carry elves sadly
>>97056516Humans have never been worse offWhere is the FIRE human?
>>97056397Did you expect more?
>>97056569That's not an elf that's some goofy animal from a pedo cartoon
>>97056516a fire elf and human, we need both. then maybe a fire cat and dog. tribal needs to come back. aether vial and cavern of souls are too weak in the meta.
>>97056569Nobody told me about Mole interactions with fetchlands.
>>97056625
>>97056625i'm kinda surprised no one is brewing ravager/ballista builds with badgermole and earthbend.
>>97056712people are playing it in yawgmothtraditional scales doesn't look very good right now when broodscale and affinity exist
What is your opinion of being an Arena-only player?
>>97056934The right way. If you give a single fucking penny to this company you are a literal and certified retard
>>97056432I suppose I need to buy some Chinese Mox Opals
>>97055789I'm in western maine and never see premodern. The only place near me that does anything other than commander, has a single modern and standard night every week.
>>97056379>they took a black sharpie to the outside edgesI wouldn't bid on this shit at all.
>>97056991>giving them your data instead, for free
>>97056934It spares me the shame of having to go to my LGS and breathe the same air as those "people"
>>97057122My data?
>>97056934It's the main way I play the game. Only options at my lgs are draft and standard. For irl play, create your own collection of decks that play together. With the death of sanctioned events there is no excuse not to proxy.Currently running this list in pioneer. It can win on turn 5, and is favored if the game goes long. You might want to put in 4 spot removal and 2-4 board wipes. The deck folds against aggro with good hands, but at least the game is over. It can meld urza planeswalker card 1 out of 10 games. Best of one is the best way to play. With best of 3 my opponents always use 5 - 10 more minutes than me throughout the match. The hand smoothing is different in best of three. If you win the first game you're more likely to be forced to mulligan game 2.
>>97056934Its the bwst way to play if you actually like 1v1 card games and deck brewing. The deckbuilding tools are awesome and genuinely easier than making irl decks by a mile. I hate that paper play is pretty much gone but there's a reason that only wallet dumping commander fags and scalpers are playing paper magic in most areas.I only play paper magic to draft. It USED TO BE that you build your standard collection through drafts, but now it's essentially just sacrificing some money to have a good time.
>>97056640Wasteland should unironically be printed into standard
>>97057146Make sure to keep clicking the happy or sad faces when they pop up, anon.
>>97057303
>>97055082it's a good thing toph is blind so she can't see how shit you are at posting images
>>97056934Honestly it's easier to build a collection digitally and keeps you from being a no-games retard like the other threads are full of. Arena in many ways is the death of magic and it's only remaining hope.
>>97055215Most of that price was in lack of reprints though, no? Tarmogoyf was a rare in Future Sigh, then a mythic in the masters sets. This kind of rarity + investors hoarding supply = the diamond effect.
If this drop the creature's toughness below 1, it's dead.
>>97055333Belcher. Until the return of Lantern Control, it'll be the only deck that doesn't play Magic.
>>97055996make a cube out of cards you ownyou are allowed to enjoy what you have, don't ever forget that
>>97056934If you're going digital might as well go all the way and play on MODO if you wanna be official, or Xmage/Forge/Tabletop Simulator and whatever the fuck else if you just want access to all the game pieces
>>97057103looks like just black plastic thing to hold the iron rods
>>97055414ai art aside, im angry at how the most prominent color is yellow, reminds me of the black and white lands you cannot do an easy read of open mana by glancing over
>>97057472This. 100% this. At least on MODO you actually own "something". Arena is just a black hole if you spend any actual cash on it.
>>97057450>it is deadWhat does that mean?
>Ba Sing Se becomes an extra land drop every turn alongside FetchlandsWho is responsible for designing this abomination?
>>97057450Indestructible creature ignores death effects, so stuffy doll lives.
>>97055082Impregnate the tomboy
>>97057507you tear the card up
>>97057509wow....4 mana to get an extra land per turn in a format with fetches.....game breaking
>>97057610For free with zero commitment and almost no opportunity cost?Yes, it kind of is.
>>97057614>For freeI don't think you understand what 4 mana at sorcery speed entails.
>>97057614Cool....I can't wait to see the tournament results!
>>97057614I bet you played a shitload of Thawing Glaciers back in the day. The game is much different now
>>97057419Could you imagine a world where the Arena client was actually good? I find the Masterduel client mogs Arena a bit.If I had a magic wand, one really good QOL thing I would change to Magic Arena is to completely re-do the audio. I wish Arena had a hype soundtrack like Masterduel does. Also I wish that sound-effects weren't as annoying to the ear.
>>97057635you're supposed to listen to your own music, audiobooks or v-tubers. Imagine actually listening to planeswalker quips whenever they're played
yo why is this shit 30 bucks?
>>97057664>12 other listings
>>97057623Anon, cleansing wildfire is going to BREAK eternal!Its a 2 mana (TWO MANA!!!!!) draw a card wild growth!!!Like, how are legachuds gonna deal with that one?What about modern!Imagine T4 you'll have like 6 lands!!! And a grip full of cards!FOR FREEEEEE!!!!
>>97057664yeah theres 13 dumbasses out there trying to sell an uncommon for 30 dollars
>>97057660for me, it's pekora playing arc raiders while I'm airbending shit in draft
>>97057707Ai Sloppa
>>97057707
>>97057707>>97057768I can't believe these are real cards
If I’m buying a bunch of cards for a cube where is the best place to buy them?>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheapNo
>>97057664jumpstart + UB = super low print duper reserved listin other words, scalpers
>>97057811habeeb it
>>97057835The reserved list isn't real. Lets not forget magic 30th
>>97057707this is 100% a woman's asschat gpt wont even allow me to remove the nostrils
>>97057874The reserve list isn’t a legal document as far as I’m aware. And frankly it’s not a good thing for the game either.
>>97057907The reserve list isn't a legal document but the UB licensing contracts are, so in the long run these UB sets are even more unprintable than the reserve list
>>97057895Lol, lmao even. And they said there were no more tits and ass allowed in mtg. Guess it’s okay when it’s slop.
>>97057952maybe a better attempt, I really gotta get better at this image editing shit
>>97057946That's only true if the bending mechanics are locked behind the licensing contract. Otherwise, get ready for a pozzed version of Azula in a decade
>>97057973Would
>>97057986They could just rename them while keeping the function.
>Another year of broken Simic and Izzet kikery AFTER 10 bans in StandardPOWERFUL,WHITE, CARDS
TENBANS
>Boomerang Basics>Doesn't Boomerang a Basic
>>97057874sure but they sure don't like reprinting UB. I'm just saying what I've seen from the market behaviour
>>97058011Give her the serra angel treatment
>They intended for Boomerang Basics to be in the Esper Pixie formatHow have these idiots not been fired?
>>97058186also intended beans to be in a format with warp
>>97058199>also intended beans to be in a format with warpThe level of unhinged absolute fucking failure of their stupidity truly beggars belief.
And they would’ve even had Awakening in the format to-Oh wait, that only enables blue Omni kikery
>>97057130A bunch of big titty alt girls play at my lfgs
>>97057523Unfortunately 0 toughness is a state based action which will send stuffy doll to the grave.
>>97057707Why are they eating steak? This is how you get Hungry Hungry Hippo-Cow disease.
>>97058186They intended for firebending student, steel cutter, vivi, monstrous rage, nemesis to all be legal at the same time.
>>97057895It needs the hippo whiskers.
>>97058343Both hippos and cows are carnivores.
>>97058365But not cannibals.Bears are cannibals. Not cows or hippos.
>>97058412That's a horse-pig meat.
>>97057895You circled her gentiles wrong but I swear I see the outline
>>97058412Hippos are cannibals they'll eat dead hippos just so the crocodiles won't eat it.
>>97057824You dont need to be a dick about it when you ask a question.
>>97058537Sorry if I offended anyone. I'm used to the other generals where we constantly bicker. But it's all in good fun
>>97058566>Sorry if I offended anyoneApology NOT accepted.
Lifegain sucks. Lifelink is some bullshit.
*screams in your path
>>97058645take the poisonpill
>68% seen-in-hand winrate in Pioneer>still fucking legal
>>97058613Well fuck you too then
>>97058706Please do.
>>97058705I think that has something to do with Pioneer going the way of Legacy.
>>97055278Based.Honestly the only reasons I was tempted to buy the whole set is because I love Azula and Toph.>>97055082NGL they did a good job with the art for these cards.
>>97058705>68% seen-in-hand winratewhere are you getting these numbers?
>>97058896It was revealed to me in a dream.
>>97057824Send cube list, this is an image board after all
>>97057444Tarmo was expensive as shit when there was no modern and legacy was niche as shit.Tarmo was also stupidly format warping but retards thought he was "Le fine" and "underpowered because muh beaters are le weak or Algo".Now we are at the point of unironically having better tarmo with 6 lines of text 2 keywords, a better color for 1 more mana.
Preferred naked green lady art?
>>97059282Avatars got you covered
>>97059222Goyf being 2 mana was huge
>>97059313Avatar is goated
>>97059282Lol obsoleted
>>970593232 mana, having a bigger ass than attack, etc... it was a huge meta warper and one of the reasons why 3 mana creatures had to do so fucking much.3 mana goyf would be unplayable even back then, look at kotr barely playable even back in the day and it easily was a bigger, more useful, goyf. Same for terravore.
>>97055106best logo
>>97057707Farm animals love meat
>>97059489WHERE?!
>>97059699we can hang out at my place, anon. I've even got snacks
Predict what year will standard become a one turn format
>>97059783>Predict what year will standard become a one turn formatThe year was 1998.
>>97059817>Predict what year will standard become a one turn format... AGAIN Fixed it just for you
>>97059733sick whatcha running, I've been working on a of urzatron deck. I haven't had much luck testing it yet so I'm sure it sucks.
>>97059874damn it I need to edit better>I've been working on an urzatron deck. I haven't had much luck testing it yet so I'm sure it sucks.
Harry Potter vs Zerg
>>97059910that lady looks like a fuggin christmas tree lmao
wotc should commission this guy to do some art
>>97059929They actually commission Kev a lot, I think he's one of their most prolific artists
>>97057458I already did. I dunno, the magic(sic) is gone.
>>97059910Is elephant man still a planeswalker?
>>97059950cheeky lad
>>97059910Oh god, Dina what did they do to you?
>>97060060It's Dino now.
>>97060060If anything, her boobs got bigger.>>97059282This guy imaging her naked lolThey shouldn't be doing things that attract children. This game is meant for autistic men reee!!!!! Besides the judges aren't allowed withing 500 ft of a school
>>97055082Pulled this from a thread elsewhere, curious how /mtg/ feels about it
>>97060300
>>97060309
>>97060311
>>97060329Trannies aren't cool bro
>>97057707>>97057895>Hippo-cow>Hidden BBW
>>97060329>>97060349forgot picture
>>97060356Oh fug I didn't even notice XDStill I think it's generally a pretty neat idea, I can imagine them doing something like it for Magic Online at some point, or someone modding it into Cockatrice, might be cool so long as there's a degree of quality control. I just wanna know what people here think about it.
Cards from the avatar set that made it into standard meta>Tiger Seal>Badgermole Cub>Boomerang BasicsBending cards see next to 0 play, just the Aang infinite airbending combo.
>>97060402>Magic OnlineI'm convinced WotC is eventually going to pull the plug on it to try funneling people into Arena.
>too weak for vintage>banned everywhere elseman this is a depressing fate, even when you consider all of his sins
kek even Poles are mad at FIRE and Modern Horizons
>>97055082What are the best Avatar cards?
>>97060646>>97060616
>>97060402> XD
>>97055407I actually really like those but they dont need to be 3$ each. I put the few plains that I had in an EOE orzhov deck I made
>>97060627
>>97058705This card has cemented the fact that the only fun deck to play in Pioneer is Scapeshift. Oh you're just going to kill every creature I play and then cast Ancestral Recall as a reward for jerking off with a couple cantrips? How about I play an entirely different game then, you Izzet-brained retard.
>>97056022The food is colorlessEating it is colorlessGiving it to someone else is white
>>97060860Meta:Abzan 2 Jund 3 Burn Jeskai twin Grixis twin Infect Grixis shadow Elf 2 Grixis goryo G tron 2 Gw hatebaers Kiki chord Abzan coco Jeskai Control Bogle Cheerios Merfolk 2
>>97060897No Ponza?? I want to go back. Turn 1 utopia sprawl. Turn 2 stone rain. Turn 3 mwonvulli acid moss. Turn 4 inferno titan.
I’d rather watch any premodern match than two amulet Titans jerking each other off for hours
Apologize
>>97060897cute twink with the hat
>>97060955Play pauper bro. It's a solid tier 2 deck except you're playing an avenging hunter or writhing chrysalis instead of titan.
>>97060626I'm still pissed that a 3/4 flyer for 3 mana is considered acceptable, and that's before you look at it's ability
mtg old frame unreserved formatyes/no?
>>97060329>>97060311>transforms from unique classic mtg dragons into the most generic looking scaled shit everUgh
>>97061463Thanks god MtG has in a short turn transformed from a niche card game traded for handjobs into a billion dollar franchise.All thanks for universe beyonds of course. Fuck the elven queens, artifacts and fantastic creatures.
>>97058958It's a set cube for final fantasy. I removed some of the cards I hated like magic pot but it's mostly just 4 of each common, 2 of each uncommon, and 1 of each rare and mythic. Open to suggestions as well. From testing you can pretty often get the archetype you want if it's open and it can be quite consistent. Some cards have pretty big power spikes like Buster Sword, Dion, or Ardyn. At least with the addition of ninjutsu Yuffie you can steal the Buster Sword which would be quite funny to me.
>>97055082>Do you think that the bending mechanics will be relevant this time a year from now?the answer to this question is the same as "do you think Badgermole Cub will be banned a year from now"
>>97057303I intentionally click whatever the opposite of my real opinion is so as to add noise to their signal
>Watching a youtuber play mtga brawl>Playing with avatar "commanders">Everything else is just sloppa from every different setting>LoTR, different mtg sets, final fantasyIt all just feels so soulless now.
UB might have been OK if it was 1 collab every 2-3 years. But now every other set is UB. Literally. I get that there are jews but this is just open rape of a 35 year old franchise.
>>97062329I think it's going to become the norm now. Every set will be UB soon.
>>97059996better question>who chares?
Not a big fan of cardboard deck boxes. Should I just buy a Quiver?
>>97062329>>97062425Its pretty standard for dying franchises. Magic has been circling the drain for years and this is just them getting every bit of money they can out of it before it finally gets shut down.
>>97059282As much as I love the old border, the new art is very clearly superior here
turtle in every pack
I'M SORRY I DIDN'T KNOW HOW GOOD I HAD IT. PLEASE, LET ME BACK TO HAT SETS. ANYTHING FOR ONLY UW
>>97063040the game still wouldn't be good
But it wouldn't be good for different reasons.
>>97063040Aetherdrift is still the second worst set of the year. I'll take Avatar or FF over that shit.
>>97063053Just as planed.
>>97063065>planedWut
>>97063075planesplaneswalkingit's magic dude
can they unban zirda already? i want my legacy infinifox.
>japan exclusive 7-card non-draft boostersWotC can't really help themselves with making boosters products confusing enough.
>>97063245>https://mtg-jp.com/reading/publicity/0038938/
>>97061348It would be too based and creature fags would cry about combo winter again
>>97061158Don't you know anon? If a card has a gold or orange set symbol, it means that it can have whatever stats and abilities it wants, mana cost be damned. So what if that's a 5 mana creature in every single way?
>latest set + FDN as a formatbro. this is EXACTLY the format I was saying they should develop in order to get new people playing paper. WotC pls
Honestly reanimator just isn't that fun for me anymore. Which really sucks. It's either:>get this guy and another creature in the graveyard by turn 4You win the game uncontested>fail to pull a zombify/looter/second creatureYou lose the game uncontestedIt's like gambling except the prize is watching your opponent concede once all their previous turns blockers are on your side of the battlefield.And unfortunately you basically have to run him to have a hope of not losing the game to unblockable aggro decks around turns 3-4. Those fucking firebending/poison/earthending decks are gross fucking shit.
>the year is 2027>WW2 UB is released>Nazis are black aligned because they are evil of course>Their draft archetype is cat oven
>>97063314they would be white
>>97059222>or algoIf you’re going to use sharty tranny slang you could at least bother to do it properly
>>97059313It makes me unreasonably annoyed that they gave a card to rep every single Tale but didn’t keep the formatting consistent and split it between main set and commander shit
What is the cheapest creature that prevents damage being done to you?
>>97063370spore frog is one green mana
>>97063376I mean as a constant efft
>>97063370In part or in total?In part, guardian seraph is 4. Battletide alchemist is 5.In total? Idk, absolute virtue at 8?
>>97063370
>>97063417>>97063370ENTER
>>97063426Does that mean if I run golgari colors with Gaea's Blessing, I'm basically immortal?
>>97063465They can just bolt the creature
>>97063471Sure, but I'd obviously run protection if I were to try this
>>97063465That's how it was played in Pioneer.
>>97063465With the amount of GY hate there is, not really
>>97063481It does not prevent "loses life" effect, doesn't prevent poison counters, forced win/loss (like Thassa's Oracle, which exists in pretty much all formats where the angel is legal). Mill decks can kill you since Gaea's Blessing is sorcery speed. Graveyard hate can kill the strategy. And you most likely can't protect the creature against Edict effects.But yes, against most strategies it would prevent you from losing.
>>97061629I don't play sealed, but I think you managed to create a solid FF experience. 10/10 would play.You can get the full list of cards on cardkingdom. It costs more but it beats dealing with multiple sellers on tcgplayer.Using tcgplayer, I built a bunch of pokemon decks last summer and the shipping time ranged from two days to two weeks. The stores selling pokemon don't have enough product and your forced to buy from multiple stores and pay multiple shipping fees. Maybe you can get all the cards from a single store for MtG, which would make it cheaper than cardkingdom. Since your creating an isolated environment. you can get extra copies of cards and write new rules to adjust power levels. I have used acetone and a wedge to remove the ink from a cards rule box. You will need to be careful not to damage the card layer when scraping the paint off.
>>97063291Only if the prizes are not very attractive to tryhard competitive players. These formats are very easy to break and few people would be interested in buying a ton of new cards to compete with the sweats.
>>97063465You can run gaea's blessing without a single green source
>>97063559That runs the risk of you drawing blessing and having it stuck in your hand.
Will UB truly suppose the end of this brand?
>>97061358You might not like it, but in those two examples at least the dragons are generic, and the animation doesn't change the way they look at all. Look at the original art again and think about how the dragon itself would look from different angles. They're only 'unique' because you're used to the picture and it upsets your memberberry brain when it moves.
>>97061467That article is from less than a week ago anon.
So now that ATLA has been a smashing success, surely /mtg/ will recant and apologize, right?
>>97063635It's the end of MtG having its own storyline. The game Mtg has enough momentum to keep going for another decade. Everything is going to be a mockery of old sets or a hot new UB set with quality control. They turned Jace into a toaster as a way to say 'fuck you for not liking incompetent story telling'.
>>97062188>Angel of Flight AlabasterWas this named by a jeet, or did they just run out of normal names? >Angel of FlightWhat as opposed to angels that can't fly? Might as well call a bird "Bird of Flight", the fuck? You could argue it's "Angel of [Flight Alabaster]" but even then it sounds backwards. You could have "Alabaster Angel of Flight" but then the flight part is still redundant. The closest acceptable would be "Angel of Alabaster Flight" but it still sounds retarded. There better already be a card called "Alabaster Angel" otherwise this shit is totally unacceptable>there isn'tRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE might as well have called it>Angel of Flight Alabasterd bich bloody benchod
>>97062590Yeah, I'm usually an "the old art was better" guy, but the old art on that one is pretty fucking shonky
>>97057664>>97057835They forgot to put it in jumpstart packs so it's only available as a foil from collectors' boosters
>>97063263I still remember when they brought in mythics for the first time, talk about the beginning of the end....
>>97063710Shut the fuck up you cringe lorelet.
>>97063690I’m still waiting after 8 years of fire design for Gavin Kikey to produce actual “powerful white cards” instead of broken nonwhite shit that needs bans the same fucking year they’re printed.
>>97063332>White Power>Enchantment - 1W>All White creatures get +2/+2>Wooden Doors>Artifact - 3>Tap - The next time target creature would be destroyed this turn, tap it instead.
>>97063690pushed cards means success now
>>97063543I've been out of the game for years, I knew about the FF set but didn't look cos I knew it would piss me off, and yeah, that Aerith card is bullshit. I'm a big FF7 fan and in my younger bored/autistic days I would think hard about what a character like Aerith would look like as a card. The only things they got right here are that she's white, and has an effect when she dies. Otherwise it's crap. Kinda mad.
>>97063725>t. jeetIt's nothing to do with lore you illiterate, it's literally just the name is retarded.
>>97063245It makes sense for Japan as that's how a lot of their TCGs are sold. I don't think draft formats exist for their games
Lmfao scalpers desperately trying to HODL onto this unF.I.R.E. bulk mythic that goes for 5 bucks on its cheapest printing refusing to lower the price under 10 dollars because they got cucked and are nostalgic for the old price.>>97063690Avatar are not real magic cards.
>>97063793>the bane of modern >literally a standard powered card boy how things changed. I remember when Liliana, the Last Hope was a playable lilly, I guess that was like 8 years ago now damn...
what's the point of reprinting vendilion clique if it doesn't see play anywhere anymore?
is 66 mana a lot?
Have any of you received your Avatar The Last Airbender secret lair cards yet? I ordered the big ass bundle but haven't received them yet.
>>97063822
>>97063691the storyline sucked though
>>97063831should've had them printed by chinaman
>>97063691He pretty much immediately got better, what are you talking about? Did you even read the story?
>>97063831>secret lairur gunna wait like 6mo also imagine slurping that slop lmao
>>97063549>Only if the prizes are not very attractive to tryhard competitive playerswhat I was thinking was that the format would be played exclusively at the lgs level and the prize support would be all in the form of packs (basically free for WotC, no?) mainly because the set would rotate literally every two months at this rate and, yeah, you wouldn't want every one of those getting permanently spiked by eight guys from out of town or whatever>These formats are very easy to breakcould you (or anyone else) expand on that? I didn't play when Block constructed was an officially supported format but I've heard similar sentiments shared about Block and I know it was always kind of regarded as a side event to Standard and later Modern. To be honest I don't really understand. Isn't it still possible to tech against a top deck in a format with a smaller card pool?
>>97063848Maybe we could have had a good storyline instead of abandoning it to just have 10 billion memberberries sets from different IPs
>>97063881>block constructedSince the meta changes a lot more often and the playerbase is smaller, it tends to be the people who have the most time and investment that can analyze the format. Whereas for something like Standard, a fresh casual can just look up meta deck #4, in a smaller format sites might not even keep track of those stats.
>>97063690>SuccessAccording to? To me this UB garbage will never mean success, even if pushed as hard as they did with this one and I have never seen lower numbers at the LGS of my area as currently.Talk about success, bozo.
>>97063819>discard an opponent's card>now he can combo off and kill you instant speed or the next battle phaseIncel, you gotta understand, badfeels are BAD.
>>97063710All angels on Innistrad are part of a collective group called a Flight just like a group of doves is called a flight. Alabaster is then the classification of the type flight since there are two other flights. Angels of Flight Alabaster protect the dead from harm.
>>97063690Maybe smashing success at scamming Microcenter to getting product gather dust at the shelves.
>your opponent at the LGS is playing the TMNT PizzalandsHow do you react?
>>97063939Stand up, shake up hands, leave without further interaction. I know is more embarrassing for him than for me but come on, see this shit.
>>97063710The names are ordered in the same way the variants of warships are named.The Arleigh Burke-class destroyers flights areFlight I which designates DDGs 51–71Flight II which designates DDGs 72–78Flight IIA which designates DDGs 79–124 and DDG-127I feel like names are better than numbers.
can you imagine losing a limited game to this?
someone plays this against (You) what you think about it?
>>97063768She's fine as she is. She's too overpower but in the FIRE era that doesn't mean much.
>>97063868No, I stopped caring after the Ravnica war. I'm going off of the cards. What's the point of turning someone into a robot if they can just get better.It says he has a robo arm and face in the wiki. Then next set, "Jace was able to defy the oil. With a psychic command, he relayed to his body that he was sick, and mustered an immune defense against the Phyrexian conversion as he forcefully removed the physical components of his compleation."So he forcefully removes his arm and face. Does it grow back? He should be gimped and forced to pay 1G to regenerate.Jace deserves better authors, now I know why he would mind wipe himself.
>pulled walls of ba sing se in draft convince me not to put it in because I know it's going to be a brick 9 out of 10 times
>>97063635Funko is possibly (likely) throwing in the towel after years of public ridicule for being slop. Assuming we can survive that long +2 years dev time it could turn around.
>>97064000Do it anon. The digits command it
>>97063881I think the problem is there will be a best deck for each archetype; aggro, control, and combo.
>>97064055>2 yearsAnon… I…
>>97064094grimYou think we will get hunger games or Eragon? Maybe Ender's Game?
>>97064000Think of it this way, draft is the only time you'll ever get to play that piece of shit.
>>97064094I honestly think they are already running dry on properties to poach.Like, the fuck else is there? Battletech and Warhammer?
>>97064000Flying is a draft archetype
>>97063982>So he forcefully removes his arm and face. Does it grow back? He should be gimped and forced to pay 1G to regenerateHe drags himself to his home plane to heal and stays there for like a year or so with Vraska getting his body regrown
>>97064094Reread the post.>that long +2 years
>>97064121Avatar.
>>97064121They aren't running dry, they just were never that discerning to begin withAssassins creed is the best example of this, it came out so early in the UB lifecycle and it doesn't fit at all with mtg
>>97064121>Warhammeralready exists wewWe need Conan.
>>97063946These images are 100% AI, look at those hands missing fingers and shit.
>>97064162>implying we're not going to get multiple setsEven during spoiler season there were people whining about how their favorite character didn't make the cut.
>>97064180The only whining I heard was that it didn't really fit mtg but hey if they think there's more milk in that tit, they probably will continuing sucking.
>>97064187Warhammer has a whole ass fantasy setting they relegate to the sidelines
>>97064094At least 3 UB sets a year, 4 years: give it a shot, give me your 12 ("Return to" sets are allowed)
>>97063370fortune thief can be paid in 2 installments
>>97064193lol
>>97063721real shit? are there others?
>>97063370ornithopter 0 manablocks fliers and non-fliers alike
>>97064173you jest but they more than likely ARE AI>pizza melting with table/plate>pizza hovers without being supported on swamp
>>97064226They aren't AI, they're just an accurate depiction of New York's conception of pizza.
>>97064094based accelerationist MaNo
I know you all think Ba Sing Se is a joke, but it is unironically the best non-combo control wincon ever printed and nobody can convince me otherwise.If it was a blue land, everybody would see it.
>>97064214That's the only printing of it currently. They also accidentally put First-Time Flyer in some mono white packs
>>97064094basically we need an entire year of spidermans tier UB to get the message across
>>97064261>best non-combo control wincon ever printedbetter than debt to the deathless? I doubt it.
>>97064290>better than debt to the deathless? I doubt it.Yes, Ba Sing Se can't be countered.Being a card that beats all other control decks is a considerable upside.
>>97064306sure, but can debt be dust bowled?I'm also bullish on Ba Sing, especially in my Hogaak deck but best non-combo wincon? naw thats hyperbole
>>97064261a souped up manland is your wincon?
>>970642822026 is basically going to be that
UB is basically Hasbros attempt at re-Funko-izing American pop culture brands for another generation. Ironically actual Funkos are cheaper in comparison and you only need to buy them once.
>>97064261In brawl yeah, in edh no way
>>97064261It's a man land where the only way to remove it is with land disruption. If you remove the man-land it just comes back so there is no chance of going down a land. Ba Sing Se is FIRE, but is it hot enough to see play
>>97064320I've won so many games off of Raging Ravine its insane.
>>97064261Your wincon is a 2/2 for 4 mana? Just play fountainport at that point it'll do that and draw you cards.
>>97064332Funkos are literally useless. They just sit there looking shit as fuck. I hate what Magic has become but at leaat there's still a game attached to it, and that game is sometimes fun, and some of the cards are cool.
>>97064342>but is it hot enough to see playHaving such an unstoppable and effective wincon in the mana base opens up control lists to run more interactive pieces. This is a big deal.>>97064354>Your wincon is a 2/2 for 4 mana?I have already had Cottage become a 10/10 in several games. It is not a 2/2, It's Amass 2, which is VERY different.
>>97064375A land where you pay 2GG to amass 2 is okay. That W/U land from LCI creates maps which will let it grow *and* smooth over your draws, that G/B land from Wilds gives life/sac fodder while hitting like an absolute truck from the get go, and the G/U not only is a true sledgehammer of a land but also makes your other creatures into more viable attackers.Like, this isn't bad as a control wincon, but it isn't a dual unlike the other manlands, i doesn't have evasion so it's harder for it to go through stalled out boards, and it isn't big so its unlikely that it'll translate into a sudden win when both are low on life. It's just not special, anon, it's a manland
>>97064375wow you spent 20 mana to make a 10/10. how hard of a control deck do you think you are brewing here? Sure there's precedent for this play pattern in 60 card with mishra's factory but this isnt 60 card and it isnt 1v1.
>>97064281I mean other cards that they fucked up the same way
Wow. First time I've seen them pull a product. >https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/back-to-the-drawing-board-with-secret-lair-x-monster-hunter
>>97064433Capcom got on their asses
>>97064433Why this slop and not the other slop? It didn't seem any different than the torrent of bullshit they have been putting out lol
>>97064433they heard enough moaning and groaning about the cards not being mechanically unique I bet. not that there was a typo
>>97064433There are two kinds of Monster Hunter fans:1) The nu-fags who are into that Wilds garbage which is all westernized and cinematic movieslop2) The old MHfags who just want to hunt monsters and are really serious about the intricacies of the gameThe second I saw "Hero of Kotoko" I was pissed because the town in the first MH game was Kokoto, not Kotoko. Kotoko is a Jpop band. And it's all downhill from there. All the cards are flavor fails. Every last one.The backlash against this shit was probably really severe. Street Fighter players are absolute slopsucking losers but other Capcom games have very hardcore fanbases.
>>97064418>wow you spent 20 mana to make a 10/10.You say this as if a 10/10 isn't going to win the game.You say this as if having mana sinks is somehow a bad thing.You say this as if control decks don't already spend dozens of mana on manlands to close out games.You say this as if spending mana on am manland would somehow be worse if every time you spent mana on it, it got bigger.
>>97064362Slop is better to be admired on a display than giving others second hand embarrassment from your cringe favorite IP on cheapass cardstock
>>97064447>typo>>97064450> "Hero of Kotoko" I was pissed because the town in the first MH game was Kokoto, not Kotoko. Kotoko is a Jpop band.my reading comprehension is shit, was this the typo? WOTC has already taken down the pages but I found the cards herevery neat, these SHIT 0.25c-$1 cards are now, if ever found, probably worth something due to cancellation
>>97064456No one admires Funko pops. If someone gave me a funko pop I would cut them off from my life.
>>97064433Heres a translation for those who don't speak Cocksuckerese>"Fell short of expectations."It's your fault for having high expectations, not our fault for failing them.>"We hear you loud and clear."We were threatened with a lawsuit by the the licenser.>"Like many of you, we're big fans of Monster Hunter."We thought it would make us money and have never watched, seen or engaged with any Monster Hunter content.>"In our excitement, we missed the mark."We are the good guys.>"The overall construction of this Superdrop is not up to the standard you have come to expect."The other Secret Lairs are actually great and amazing, it is ONLY this one that is a failure.
>>97064453The good, playable manlands are generally the ones who can swing for a meaningful amount of life from the get go or have evasion or the ones that are dirt fucking cheap to animate. This fulfills none of these niches.
>>97064433How do you fuck up monster hunter, it has such an emblematic artstyle.
>>97064473>my reading comprehension is shit, was this the typo?Yeah it should Kokoto. Also you can still see them on Scryfall.https://scryfall.com/sets/sld>Gore Magala, a monster defined by how it spreads disease and comes back from the dead, is some shitass demon>not Skithyrix >Brachydios, a retarded dino that puts exploding jizz on his hands so he can punch with explosions, is somehow blue and copies spells and doesn't have trample or anything
>>97064484>We thought it would make us money and have never watched, seen or engaged with any Monster Hunter content.>>97064501>Brachydios, a retarded dino that puts exploding jizz on his hands so he can punch with explosions, is somehow blue and copies spells and doesn't have trample or anythingrofl, modern wotc just digs deeper cringier graves
if a card has multiple different things its targeting like a modal effect or a multi effect card, and you hit it with a redirect sort of effect, does it effect all targets? or just one
>>97064418>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1EDH detected, opinion rejected>>97064493In three activations, your already hitting for the same amount of damage as restless cottage. then damage continues to increase. If the opponent has interaction restless cottage is gone, but Ba Sing Se just amasses a new land. And Ba Sing Se comes into play untapped
>>97064493>This fulfills none of these niches.It literally fulfils both?
>>97064484>We were threatened with a lawsuit by the the licenser.The product being bad is not a reason to sue by any conceivable standard. Also Capcom have never given a single fuck about quality control lolThey let the misspelled village name and weird choices get through their IP holder signoff in the first place. Meanwhile Square was nitpicking typelines of draft chaff and MEE sent back Gandalf art for insufficiently bushy eyebrows.
>>97064523>In three activations, your already hitting for the same amount of damage as restless cottageAnd in one activation Restless Cottage has already done the damage, with two less draws and thus opportunities for them to topdeck a solution to their problems. You already don't give a fuck about a manland getting blown up, giving even less of a fuck doesn't matter. >>97064526It's a 2/2, costs as much as other harder hitting ones (2GG) and doesn't have a lick of evasion.
>>97064523>In three activations, your already hitting for the same amount of damage as restless cottage. then damage continues to increase. If the opponent has interaction restless cottage is gone, but Ba Sing Se just amasses a new land. And Ba Sing Se comes into play untappedOne thing that a lot of people are missing is that it just bulldozes through shit.Other manlands, you can trade with on the board. One Phoenix solos a Restless Anchroage. Cottage dies to a Deathtoucher.But if you trade for whatever Ba Sing Se animates, you're down card advantage. Unlike other manlands, EVERY TIME your opponent interacts with the Be Sing Se elemental, you are up +1 card advantage instead of even like every other manland.And the people just dismissing it because of "muh land interaction"What do you kill? The creature it makes or the land itself? Because if you kill Ba Sing Se, they're left with a body, and leaving them with a body is a good way to lose.
>>97064551>It's a 2/2How the fuck are you so retarded that you can't comprehend what adding +1/+1 counters to something does?My guy, Captain Retardo, champion of stupidity: It's not a 2/2. In case you aren't aware, +1/+1 counters... stay on the creature...
Capcom is one of the biggest sellout companies in Japan, whoring out their IPs to anything and everything.Guaranteed that they had to backpedal because hardcore MH fans were raging. MH is serious business.
climb to mythic if your deck is so great
why was the MH thing so bad, it had the monsters on didn't it
>>97064562It's a 2/2 on the first turn, you retard. It can't swing immediately as anything bigger then that unless you stack Ba Sing Se activations on a single land. Meanwhile Celestial Collonade is swinging immediately as a 4/4 with flying and Restless Cottage is a 4/4 that feeds you life and graveyard hates while it's at it.
>>97064596>Arenafag
>>97064607they forgot to add black people
>>97064611>It's a 2/2 on the first turn,Who cares? It gets bigger, dingbat.>Meanwhile Celestial Collonade is swinging immediately as a 4/4 with flying and Restless Cottage is a 4/4 that feeds you life and graveyard hates while it's at it.You can Push both of them, anon.How have you manage to blind yourself to literally every aspect of the card except the exact specific thing you're talking about in that exact specific moment?Have you not developed object permanence yet? Holy fuck lmao.I WOULD RATHER HAVE A MANLAND THAT DOES NOT DIE TO PUSH, THANK YOU.
>>97064607Because people want the monsters to be unique rather than all re-skins>>97064501In their defense, all the other elemental dinosaurs either had flying or red; neither of which Brachy can do unless you count their jump/variant
>>97064627who gives a fuck if your manland dies? you're already gotten your money's worth from it.
>>97064521pls respondu
>>97064648>who gives a fuck if your manland dies?
>>97064521It generally cant change targets. As far as I know all bolt bend effects are exclusively to spells with a single target
>>97064476I like Funkos, so there
>>97064663Yes? It's a land, you retard. If you're a control player in the situation where you have enough board control to start animating lands and throwing them at the enemy, if they kill them you do not care; it's good, if anything, because they wasted removal on a land that already gave you its money's worth. The advantage of a better hardier manland that does more things immediately as it is animated is bigger then the advantage of a manland that makes hitting it even more worthless then it normally is.
>>97064636Brachydios is basically GR or Jund
>>97064676>Yes? It's a land, you retard. If you're a control player in the situation where you have enough board control to start animating lands and throwing them at the enemy, if they kill them you do not careYes, and you are often not in that position. And when you are not in that position, you would prefer to be going positive on card advantage instead of even. And you would prefer to not get strip mined. And when you are fighting a losing battle, you would prefer a recursive body over one that dies.And even in the situation where you are winning totally, you would prefer all that, because losing the only wincon you've drawn to a Push and them getting several extra turns to find a bolt, throw it at your face and win is A BAD THING.
>>97064704>getting several extra turns to find a boltYou mean what they'd get, as your land takes several extra turns to become a meaningful threat and has zero evasion?
>>97064596My shit brew can't be cats. about to fall out of diamond. It's not my brewing, it's the cards that are the problem
>>97064712>You mean what they'd get, as your land takes several extra turns to become a meaningful threat and has zero evasion?No. Ba Sing Se is a VERY fast clock, faster than Anchorage, Cottage, Mutavault and, in fact, faster than almost any available manland that isn't Hall of Storm Giants and even then it's faster than that in many situations. Try again.
>Ba Sing Se>T: Add U.>2U, T: Amass 2. Activate only as a sorcery.Literally nobody would question how powerful this card is if it was in this form.
>>97064723Everyone would call it what it is. A decent card, a sidegrade to fountainport. Hardly game breaking.
>>97064719It's a 2/2, so its perfectly capable of being simply blocked on the first try with no losses on their part. Then it's a 4/4. It takes 8 mana and two turns to become as much of a threat as your average manland is immediately, nevermind a good one with evasion like Collonade.
>4x Quantum Riddler decks topping meta in Standard, Modern, and seeing Legacy playHoly fuck when will they admit it?
>>97064734>It's a 2/2Oh great, he's back to not understanding what +1/+1 counters are.
>>97064736I literally do not see the problem. Kaito eats it for lunch any day of the week.
>Prof's tranny sidepiece is making him shill xer again on the channel
>>97064733>a sidegrade to fountainport.Yeah ok bud.
>>97064743Learn to read you idiot. >Then it's a 4/4I said it gets bigger. But it takes two activations and twice as much mana as a land who is just swinging with a worthwhile statline + evasion/utility from the get go.
More like Ba Sing GAY, am I right, fellas?
>>97064763Again, you keep acting as if the current thing you're talking about is the only aspect of the card that makes it so effective.>"It's only a 2/2!"As if it isn't infinitely recursive and both immune to removal and resilient to land destruction.>"Other manlands are bigger!"As if their activations don't cost more, and the benefit of not having to activate it again to keep the body doesn't exist, AND the scaling potential isn't a titanic benefit. AND it etbs untapped. AND it can animate lands that aren't itself.You literally have not developed object permanence or the ability to recognize that a whole thing is made of its parts. Every argument you make is predicated entirely on fixating on one aspect of it and declaring it bad because that singular aspect doesn't meet some metric you decided on (Which it actually does meet.)Fucking hell mate. You're literally out here claiming that Tamiyo is bad because "A 0/3 forU isn't very good." or Frog is bad because "It's only a 1/2 for UB" like god damn son find what toilet you flushed your brain down, follow the pipes and fucking recover it holy shit.
>>97064781It's good, obviously, but you're acting like a manland sidegrade is this apocalyptic card. It fucking isn't. You're seeing the upsides and refusing to see the downsides.>As if their activations don't cost more, They don't. The activation of the average 4/4 manland is 4 mana, just as much as this.>and the benefit of not having to activate it again to keep the body doesn't existIt does and so does the downside; that it can be dealt with in the opponent's turn.>AND the scaling potential isn't a titanic benefitIt's a nice benefit. At the cost of being a 2/2 in the turn it enters, which means it is much much less capable of swinging for a sudden win.>AND it etbs untappedcool, at the cost of not being a dual. >AND it can animate lands that aren't itself.Cool benefit, I admit. This is a good card. It's Fountainport tier, everyone has said this to you already. This is not an insult, Fountainport is a great card. It's just not going to be game defining or a significant improvement over the other good manlands.
>>97064807>a manland sidegradeIt is a MASSIVE UPGRADE, YOU MONGOLOID.
>>97064807>that it can be dealt with in the opponent's turn.... how, exactly?
>>97064812It doesn't draw me cards. It doesn't bank me mana. Fountainport does both. Do you know what it also does?It acts at instant speed, like the vast majority of manlands. You can't hold mana and spend it on the opponent's turn with Ba Sing Se, and it can't become a blocker on a pinch. If you can't see how staggering of a downside for control this is, I'm afraid you're beyond salvation.
>>97064830>It doesn't draw me cards. It doesn't bank me mana. Fountainport does bothWho cares?Fountainport produces colorless mana and devours your life total if you ever try to actually do anything with it.
>>970648251. Destroying it resets all your progress. Have fun tapping that thing five times to get your 10/10 back retard.2. I bounce it. I put it on top of the library. I make it not able to attack or block or untap on your turn. I put stun counters on it.
>>97064844Is Bitterblossom a bad card because it loses you 1 life when it makes a blocker?
>>97064825Sadly enough only pig slop like Ultima can end the turn and stop the trigger from avatar slop. JOTC have forced the game to where you either play slop to stop slop or lose with in-universe cards.
>>97064848>1. Destroying it resets all your progress.And this is supposed to be worse than losing the entire land? Are you seriously dumb enough to propose it NOT dying is somehow a weakness?
>>97064852>Sadly enough only pig slop like Ultima can end the turn and stop the trigger from avatar slop. JOTC have forced the game to where you either play slop to stop slop or lose with in-universe cards.I'm not worried about Ultima because you just animate a Forest. Who cares if it gets destroyed by a 5-mana spell, you keep the Ba Sing Se in that situation.
>>97064855It's not a weakness, but you're acting like this somehow stops the other player from being able to deal with it. Your opponent losing a creature to get a land is a good trade; or are you going to say Path to Exile is a bad card?
>>97064860>It's not a weakness, but you're acting like this somehow stops the other player from being able to deal with it.Not being able to deal with something does, in fact, stop you from being able to deal with it.Are you actually about to suggest that throwing five Fatal Pushes at the same target and achieving nothing for it would ever, in any universe, be a good plan?
>>97064844Fountainport doesn't cost you life to make Treasures or to sac tokens for cards, and it doesn't actually cost you much to pay 1 life because it also makes a blocker. If you make a fish every turn and use it to chump-block a 2/2, that's basically the same as gaining one life every turn.
>>97064870>Fountainport doesn't cost you life to make Treasures or to sac tokens for cardsIt does to make bodies that can threaten life totals.
>>97064870Going wide at instant speed is also better than going wide/tall at sorcery speed.
>>97064866It's not the same target as far as I'm concerned. I exploded your 10/10. If you want to get another 10/10, you'll need to wait 5 turns.
>>97063793Will Lilly ever be this hot again?
>>97064884Read the rest of the post.>>97064866You have yet to address the ONLY AS A SORCERY drawback, which means it can't make a blocker in a pinch and can't hold up mana for interaction then cash in at the opponent's turn.
>>97064890>It's not the same target as far as I'm concerned. I exploded your 10/10. If you want to get another 10/10, you'll need to wait 5 turns.You didn't explode anything.You traded a Fatal push for nothing, I am up +1 card advantage then make a new threat. That is you LOSING, anon, not you stabilizing.
>tempolet learns how the game is actually playedlove this rerun
>>97064911Card advantage is not the sole advantage that exists in this game. If you spend five turns and a total of 10GGGGGGGGGG to make a 10/10 and it gets blown up, you have lost a staggering amount of tempo advantage; you spent a shitload of time and resources on something that was blown up with 1 mana and 1 card.Force of Will is a card that guarantees card disadvantage every time. Is it a bad card?
>>97064197>Walking Dead Set>Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure>Vampire: The Masquerade>Harry Potter (they’ll lose the tranny Mandate of Heaven but it will be worth the money)>Avatar: Legend of Korra (will bomb) >Whatever Marvel shit>Supernatural >Nintendo All Stars>DC Comics set>Star Trek Two>Sailor Moon>Werewolf: The ApocalypseInevitable crossovers relegated to mechanically unique secret lairs due to problems designing a full set:>Breaking Bad/BCS>Squid Game>Chainsaw Man>Rick and Morty>Back to the Future>Starship Troopers
>>97064932>Card advantage is not the sole advantage that exists in this gameNobody is asserting it is so this statement is not relevant.
>>97056164is lame that a set to be successful, it needs to get scalped and be oversold by double the price. instead of being accessible, at the end is fucking card board. should not be that expensive
>>97064937You are asserting that losing card advantage means it's a bad trade; I can go -1 or even -2 on card advantage if it means I blow up something you commited on and destroy your ability to affect the board.And you HAVE to commit to Ba Sing Se, because it's sorcery speed.
>>97056379Your LGS’s what now
>>97064960>You are asserting that losing card advantage means it's a bad tradeYes?Is that assertion wrong in ANY way?
>>97064342>can't be countered>can't be destroyed>can't be exiled>can't be sacrificed, reduced to 0 toughness, or any other form of removal except for bouncing and being shuffled into your library >literally cannot enter the graveyard without your permission >literally 0 opportunity cost to slot it into any deckIf this was a black card or a combo piece it would enter with a fucking finality counter mark my words.
>>97064969Yes? Again, Force of Will guarantees card disadvantage. If it's a bad trade, why is it so legendarily broken?
>>97064969because there's things more valuable than card advantage
>>97064969Ability to affect the board (tempo) is as valuable a resource as card advantage, and in fact becomes more valuable in faster formats.
>>97064892How can she get hotter?
>>97064749Why did wotc scale back cards like mind control? Lemme guess too feels bad?
>>97064982>>97064985Force of Will is great in an environment when you need to be able to interrupt combos with no resources on board.It is not very good at all in a limited environment where things are at a more “fair magic” level.
>>97064982>>97064985We aren't talking about Legacy but nice try guy.
It's a testament to the sexlessness of Magic that Liliana is considered the uber sex goddess Madonna of the franchise when she looks like a mid 30 year old woman in a purple dress.
>>97064990That’s not the definition of tempo
>>97065016You have to admit she was looking pretty smokin’ in the DMU art. Salma Hayek vibes on that one. Don’t know how anyone thought the classic LOTV art was hot.
>>97064990>Ability to affect the board (tempo)????????
>>97065011Even in Standard, there are strong cards with inherent card disadvantage. Games don't last an infinite number of turns.
>>97065037>Even in Standard, there are strong cards with inherent card disadvantage. Games don't last an infinite number of turns.And those cards are always losing plans outside of the context of "I can attack you for 20 damage on the next turn and just need to get rid of your blocker right now to instantly win"Which rarely comes into play against hard control decks.
>>97065027>>97065017Tempo is the ability to deploy your resources efficiently. If you have 7 cards on hand and I have 7 cards on the board, I have tempo advantage.
>>97065056This is a losing argument because tempo is a meaningless buzzword that no Magic player has ever been able to create a concrete definition for that anyone accepts. It's been stuck in “I know it when I see it” limbo for a decade.
>>97065010No, Force of Will is a broken card is any environment, because it always answers any possible threat that isn't flat out uncounterable as long as you're prepared to pay the price.
>>97065070It's just the ability to muster resources in order to affect the flow of the game.
>>97065052hard control decks are the ones which can actually run the pieces needed to deal with ba sing se, so it's a moot pointaggro decks will just kill you before it becomes relevant
>>97065052Izzet Looting, a deck with a much slower and less aggressive gameplan, runs Boomerang Basics and frequenly bounces back your opponent's creatures.If I bounce a creature, sure, they can drop it back. But that takes time and mana, and they don't have infinite amounts of either. Resetting the opponent's progress is a worthwhile thing to spend resources on, because less cards on the board means less threats able to affect you.
>>97065085>hard control decks are the ones which can actually run the pieces needed to deal with ba sing se,The total number of cards that actually deal with it in all of Magic is literally 7.
>>97065091>Izzet Looting, a deck with a much slower and less aggressive gameplan
>>97065081>it’s just the thing every single deck doesOh I see that explains it perfectly
>>97065094I can deal with Ba Sing Se by having a 2/3 and playing one Fatal Push a turn.>oh but you're going to go down on cards!With that 3 mana I'm saving every turn, I can play one Divination every turn and put myself back on track, or play a Phyrexian Arena and build myself a resource advantage while you are wasting your time paying 3 mana on nothing forever.
>>97065094land destruction deals with ita removal spell + land destruction deals with it if it animated itselfany graveyard hate deals with recursionhell, sorcerous spyglass will stop it until you can destroy that
>>97065112>I can deal with Ba Sing Se by having a 2/3 and playing one Fatal Push a turn.You cast all your Fatal Pushes.Now what?
>>97065113>land destruction deals with it(not true, btw)>a removal spell + land destruction deals with it if it animated itself2-for-1ing yourself is not a solution. That is a surrender.>any graveyard hate deals with recursion(not true, btw)Only instant-speed non-persistent GY hate. RIP, Leyline etc. do nothing.>hell, sorcerous spyglass will stop it until you can destroy thatIt's in Green. You can destroy that.
>>970651204 turns have went. You earthbent 4 times for 16 total mana. I cast 4 Fatal Push for 4 mana. With the 12 mana I didn't spend, I can play various threats, card draw sources, and overwhelm you with a more developed board.
>>97065128>2-for-1ing yourself is not a solutionYou have no threats other than your manlands, why the fuck does the hard control deck care about 2 for 1ing itself? All your removal spells are dead cards, they could go 3 for 1 on every manland and still be fine.
>>97065132I do other things with my mana when it isn't ideal to animate a land.Now we both have no cards in hand and I still have lands to animate.
>>97065139>You have no threats other than your manlands,What gaping asshole did you pull that completely untrue idea out of?
>>97065143If you didn't animate the land I didn't cast the fatal push and didn't spend a card.
>>97065143Why are you assuming the other player is sitting twiddling their thumbs?
>>97065147Your decklist you posted a while back.
>>97065151>If you didn't animate the land I didn't cast the fatal push and didn't spend a card.Great. So I clear your board until you have no threats, then proceed to animate lands until you run out of fatal pushes.Then I still have Ba Sing Se because you spent four cards to achieve nothing.
>/mtg/ is just retards white rooming shit brewswe're so back
>>97065160You can adjust decklists according to what you need, anon.You can include additional wincons if you need additional wincons, anon.
>>97065178I'm not going to evaluate your decklist based on something that is not on that decklist
>>97065178I thought you were a draw go deck, anon :)What happened to all the removal spells you needed to survive aggro, anon?
>>97065188Great, because we're not talking about decklists, we're talking about a specific card.
>>97065165If I ran out of cards you can animate Cottage and win anyway.
>>97065192>I thought you were a draw go deck, anon :)>"Draw go decks don't include wincons!"nani the fuck?>What happened to all the removal spells you needed to survive aggro, anon?They're still in there mate.Declaring that tuning a decklist is impossible is a new, insane level of retardation I previously could not ever have imagined to be possible.
>>97065203>If I ran out of cards you can animate Cottage and win anyway.You can push the Cottage anon.If you push the Cottage I do not have a Cottage anymore, anon.How are you literally unable to remember things discussed not even a few fucking minutes ago?
>>97065194And so far you have yet to explain how the card is an improvement over any other manland. The scenario you posited where you'd start using it (I've run out of cards) is a scenario where any fucking manland works
>>97065221>And so far you have yet to explain how the card is an improvement over any other manland.Declaring something hasn't been explained after it has, in fact, been explained, multiple times and thoroughly, is called "gaslighting" and it is not going to work here.
Just stop arguing with the autist and let him wank off his shitbrew in peace.
>>97065220You just said I ran out of cards and spent my Pushes so that doesn't matter.
>>97065228Jesus fucking FUCK you are retarded.
It's sorcery speed and thus trash.
>>97065241Most creatures are sorcery speed.
I think Ba Sing Se is gay and the reason I won't run it is the card requires Green mana, which is the worst color of mana for a control deck to even have. If you're playing control you should be running the 4 other colors and with 4 other colors you can't even run the basic lands, so basically the card is unplayable and it will forever be worse than something like fountain port.
>>97065220> How are you literally unable to remember things discussed not even a few fucking minutes ago?You're interacting with a succubus
The card is barely a mid tier bomb in draft, that should tell you something lol
>>97065245And? The utility of Fountainport is that everything it does can be used at instant speed. I can sac my blockers at instant speed and create them or Treasures at instant speed.This lets me hold up mana for interaction (the defining feature of control) and if I reason don't need the interaction, I can spend it then at my leisure. This is a huge upside that Ba Sing Se doesn't have.
>>97065101Yes, just like every deck draws cards. If you can muster your resources more efficiently then the opponent, you have tempo advantage.
>>97064078isn't that kinda true of any format?
>>97064980This is why mono white needs phasing. But kikes are obsessed with giving everything to blue.
>>97055082Why the fuck is this dual blades?They couldn't find even a single creature with doublestrike in white, so they had to give zippy hyper-offense the stats of a hatebear?
>>97064980You can do literally all those things. Is Ral's Reinforcements busted because it's hard to answer it in full without 2-for-1ing yourself?
>avatar masturbator slopper gets btfo by 3 day of judgment and ElspethEat shit you kike pigs
>>97065371How would phasing this be any different from blinking or removing it
>>97065395Because the faggots at WotC clearly don't know shit about Monster Hunter
>>97065426>Because the faggots at WotC clearly don't know shit about Monster HunterWhat>*clap*don't>*clap*you>*clap*understand>*clap*about>*clap*we>*clap*are>*clap*big>*clap*fans
>>97065395Even if they had picked a suitable creature and the rest of the card was a slam dunk it would still be unplayable on accounts of that incredibly gay flavor text. Do they let 7 year olds come up with these?
>>97065395not only that, he's wearing tigrex armor, and they even call it out in the flavortext.Attack boost, plus earplugs, speed eating and free meal i.e. "just IV the demondrug and dash juice directly into my veins, because this beyblade of death stops for no man until everything with scales is disassembled into a thick paste on the ground. I have two settings, dodge and frappe, PSYCHE DEMONDODGE IT'S THE SAME SETTING."How did they get "mmm, not fond of instants" out of that?
>>97065435I had like 2000 hours in Monster Hunter Freedom Unite, probably at least 300 hours in every MH game and I played all of them since the first one on PS2 (which was super janky and not good). I only skipped out on Rise because I thought it was Switch exclusive and Iceborne/Wilds because the Worlds/Iceborne/Wilds type games are faggy as fuck and have you following sweaty women around in unskippable cutscenes where they make you stare at poo and talk to grandmas.In spite of all that I wouldn't even call myself a hardcore MH sperg.WotC can't even be assed to make Fatalis an Elder Dragon and makes the Hero of "Kotoko" a lancer even though when you become the new Hero of Kokoto in that game you get a sword.
>>97065438I don't know why they even put flavor text on there since the player character in MH is always a mime and the gibberish language is an iconic part of the franchise.
>>97065484>ttack boost, plus earplugs, speed eating and free meal i.e. "just IV the demondrug and dash juice directly into my veins, because this beyblade of death stops for no man until everything with scales is disassembled into a thick paste on the ground. I have two settings, dodge and frappe, PSYCHE DEMONDODGE IT'S THE SAME SETTING.">How did they get "mmm, not fond of instants" out of that?"Dual Blades? Webbed up. Tigrex armor? Lion-Online. Monster? I'm Kraven a hunt."
I hate modern Magic the Gathering so much it's fucking unreal.
>>97065409Because when something is phased out it’s treated like it doesn’t exist but stays on the field, so it “removes” it by ignoring its existence. Just make an O-ring that phases out like Oubliette.
>>97065399>Is Ral's Reinforcements busted because it's hard to answer it in full without 2-for-1ing yourself?It isn't hard to do that actually.
>>97064980>can't be sacrificed, reduced to 0 toughness, or any other form of removal except for bouncing and being shuffled into your libraryBeing 0cmc makes it fairly resilient to bounce too lmao.
>>97063915Thank you, that actually makes sense now, even if I do still think the name sounds clunky. "Flight Alabaster Angel" would probably be a better wording though.
>>97065173It's so funny that people are shitflinging with a guy over this stupid land when the "control deck" he posted >>97064261 has a single (1) Mazemind Tome in it for card draw.
>>97065395I hate you faggots so much, they just sent and email saying they're redoing the whole fucking secret lair drop because of all your bitching. So now I have to fucking wait even longer for them to take my fucking money, and I was really really looking forward to this specific card.
>>97065395I thought you guys said UB tourists didn't care about the mechanics of cards and shit like that?
>>97064421Not as far as I'm aware
What were they thinking?
>>97064197It depends what they can get hold of the rights to. If that wasn't a problem, they'll go for the obvious big ones:>Marvel or DC, possibly more than one set>Pokemon, for full meta-crossover with their card game, just to make everything nice and confusing>Nintendo, probably set to coincide with the release of the next Smash Bros.>Disney, but unlikely they'll ever get the rights, more likely they'll half-ass it with Kingdom Hearts maybe, possibly as a tie-in with FFOther 'big players' don't really fit with their criteria for needing enough scope for colour variation and creatures, like Star Wars, Harry Potter and Transformers. That said, the only other one I could see them doing would be:>Naruto (hopefully without Boruto, but don't bet on it)Past that, I just don't see other franchises having the scope.... but then, I would have NEVER guessed TMNT would somehow be viable, so.......
>>97065750I was looking forward to this one too! FUCK YOU PEOPLE!!!!
>>97065370I was thinking the top decks would push the other option out. Looking at other sets I think I was wrong. Block constructed does have soul
>>97065750>Sol Ring>Artifact>Picture of a giant fucking dragonWhy?
>>97065739aight, cheers
>>97065750this reminds me of those old custom cards people used to do where they just put pictures they thought were cool on random cards that had nothing to do with the pic
wizards cancelling the secret lair screams they know it will flop like all others SLs, i knew we will reach product fatigue but not this fast, there is still hope brothers
Stranger Things UB
>>97065016>This isn't attractive whatsoeverNice bait.
>>97065814this is a wrinkled hag in disguise
>>97064501Skithyrix would've been Val Hazaak. Gore should've had something to represent Frenzy
>>97065883At what age did you discover you were a gay pedophile?
>>97065945>>97065945>>97065945
>>97065395The other options are unplayable.
>>97065726I mean, there's Gary the Snail Toxril, and then there's the equivalent of making Denji Chainsawman an Augustin IV reskin.You can only stretch so far.>>97065750great question, why the fuck is Valstrax a sol ring?they could have picked like, the Dragon Torch from Wilds.the decisions here go beyond lazy and into confusing. I kind of wonder if they just asked an AI and went with its first responses on everything. It would explain the spelling mistakes too.>>97065790I mean it COULD have been a banger, but not like this.
>>97064453>You say this as if a 10/10 isn't going to win the game.its not
