Previous: >>97055182>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQFavourite Equipment?
>TQIts not great, but it has a special place in my heart.
>>97059938>Favourite Equipment?I used to run this in my vorosh deck, it still has a fond place in my heart
Stop running equipments
>>97059983Why?
>>97059991So he can stop losing to them.
>TQI like it, I love it, I want some more of it
>>97059938>tq
>>97060020That reminds me I need this card for canlander
>>97060014But arent decks equipment mostly bad
>>97060018If it weren't legendary it would be the all time goat
>>97059938>TQ
>>97060052Anon dies to them and then the equipment player died. Duh
Even if you reduce my life total, mill me out, or do a "I win the game" setup, those are cheap so I have the morral, and correct victory still.Commander damage falls into one of these "fake wins"
>>97060146>Dies to poison
>>97060146Too scared to rule 0 commander damage huh?
>>97060219Why would I be afraid to? Its the fake winners, likely like yourself, that refuse to allow it to be taken out.Do you think before you post?
>>97060146>I am bleeding...making me the victor
>>97060237I'm agreeing with you stupid. I'd even let you rule 0 it. If it would shut your whiny ass up.
I still run this because it is a great Greater Good target and ramps you from the mid to end game.
>>97059961it's a hylda staple
>>97060020>>97060096both of these have won me so many games with xenagos. a double power double strike haste ojer kaslem is a level of sexy nobody is ever prepared for, especially if you pull moraug and still have a land drop open (or god forbid, a fetch land) for your second main phase
each upcoming UB precon should feature reprints from older UB sets with their original artwork
>>97060369Yeah I agree with that fully honestly. Have a reprint slot dedicated to previous sets. Would hopefully cool down some unique card prices.
>>97059938>Favourite Equipment?obviously
>>97060303>hydra staple>whiteYou mean one deck...
>>97060472>12 bucksDamn, i shoulda paid more attention to that set
>>97060488well there there aren't many tap commanders
>>97060519Welp I read that as hydra lol
>>97059938>TQCreature removal
>>97060542Sometimes it's just draw a card, sometimes it's a tutor.
>>97060553Hell yeah
>>97060553>used it in my gut deck once to tutor the one skeleton in the deck>Clattering Augur >friends looked at me like I'm fucking retardedstill won the game tho
>>97060532It's fucked up this is the only card that got errated to have Lifelink.
>>97060647elephants had it too good for too long
Do you guys have any tips for decks that don't rely on the commander? Sometimes I want to just play a deck that feels like magic.
>>97059938TQ
Red has so many explosive, fun spells. But I can't find any mono red commanders that look fun/interesting.
>>97060664Just pretend your commander doesn't exist while building? i dont get what's confusing about this. build a deck that gets its resources from itself and has a gameplan that isnt in the command zone.
>>97060664Run this guy and then just run a 99 card value pile.
>>97060692sry let me post the better version
>>97060664There you did it. Generic 5c slop pile that doesn't need its commander.
>>97060681>>97060692>>97060714Ok so what if I wanted to make a 3 color goodstuff pile that may not necessarily look interesting but was heavily interactive and won by turning stuff sideways. I kinda just want to jund people out
>>97060733Goyfs and Altar of Dementia lines there go make a deck.
>>97059938Sword of unlimited value.
>>97060665Ah, the win condition of my old proliferation deck.I'd slap that on something like an Arcbound Worker and two turns later I had a 20/20 psycho rapist offering players suggestions on how to rearrange their internal organs.
>>97060762>sword of wombo and combo
What decks are the dark triad of edh?
>>97060733>jund turn sideway shitpileOgnis, the Dragon's Lash
>>97060793Anthing that contains black, anything that contains blue, and whatever freaks use colorless commanders and are really just dumping broken artifacts and eldrazi.
>>97060793The guy who says his deck is bracket 3/a 7, whines incessantly every time anyone even thinks about attacking him, and talks about how cool and thematic their deck is before dropping thoracle+consult.
>>97060823to be fair, you can fit ALOT of flavour and theme in your deck when your wincon is only 2 cards
>>97060747Maybe I'm not asking the right question.For those if you who enjoy value piles, what makes for fun matches? How proactive vs reactive? I am aiming to play some deck that has a little mote shelf life and makes interesting board states more common. Higher variance, less reliant on pure synergy but also makes me and my opponents make decisions especially around combat. I've found after playing brawl for a while that proper attacks and blocks, combat tricks and all that is a part of edh that I dont get to experience much. Goading decks are fun but they dont actually allow for my opponents to make a decision. Again idk if Im asking the right questions yet
>>97060793A genuinely terribly built deck that relies on cheating to win Skinny Mike, I'm looking at you.
>>97060793CedhCedhCedh
>>97060839>little mote shelf lifeLittle more shelf-lifeI tend to get bored with highly synergistic decks quickly I can only landfall or proliferate so many times, boss.
>>97060839
>>97059964This gets better as creatures get cheaper and more powerful
>>97060664Look at 60 card decks, adapt one into a 99 card singleton list, then pick a commander that works as a useful plan B.
>>97060839a deck that doesn't care about their commander =/= value pile
>>97059938I just think it's neat.I really want to make a fishing-pole themed deck and it's hard to break
>>97059938I stick this in decks, even if it's suboptimal, just because I like it so much.
>>97060577>Clattering AugurThis is such a cool looking card. A skeleton seer is an interesting concept. I still wish we had more skeleton options.
whats a fun mono green ramp commander? maybe this new guy and then go a bit of bear tribal
>>97060146Imagine actually fucking losing to mill in a format with 300 cards to go through.
>>97060948You can do that with a two card combo.
>>97060937
>building multiple spellslinging decks>end up shoving in Prologue to Phyresis and Radstorm in all 3I just like infect I guess
>>97060958Yeah, to one (1) player. No different from any other two card combo. Mill is still a joke overall; if you don't have Bruvac or he gets removed you might as well not have a deck. And god help you if you're going against reanimator or golgari in general.
>>97060959sounds fun. are the 6 mana a problem or not?
>>97060472I dont see how this thing is super pricey. I put one in Taii because I pulled an alt art from EOE but man its so expensive for what it does.
>TQI just think it's neat.
>>97061009It's an endlessly repeatable protection spell against literally anything that doesn't have split second, and because they phase out *with the creature they're equipped to* it can also defend *itself*
>>97061009It's an equipment that lets you dodge board wipes without all of your equipment or auras or counters falling off. It's inexpensive to cast and equip, and even gives your voltron target a better statline.
>>97061009It was really only printed in one not very well selling commander set and as a bonus card in a low-volume set
>>97060714my decklist with him is only three colors
>>97061013I hate this wording>Play a spell
>>97060937drop lands make badgers.dec
>>97060914Go on
>>97060678There are plenty. What is it about them you don't like?
>>97060678There's so many bro
>>97061035looks fun too. Im gonna check her out>>97061070was just looking at decklists of her and I still have her lying around somewhere
>>97060937I've played him a ton on Forge, been meaning to actually pick the deck up in paper.
>>97060664>Do you guys have any tips for decks that don't rely on the commander? Sometimes I want to just play a deck that feels like magic.lord and savior
>>97061070I bet she washes feet really well
>>97061093That looks interesting, I'll wait for an omenpath/uw version
>>97061079Azusa's still got the right stuff:>Wants lots of lands in the deck, but doesn't need to spend a lot of mana every turn on ramp spells which is more cards that can be devoted to card draw, a perennial mono-green weakness>Casting her is rarely going to be countered and when she's on board it doesn't really matter whether she gets blown up because you've already likely gotten 4-6 lands of value off her>Any fetchlands no matter how dogshit they are plus any land recursion means you will be hitting 3 lands a turn guaranteed and potentially six landfall triggers just off of looping evolving wilds or some shit>Ramp into any big fuck X-cost spell you want
>>97061102>I'll wait for an omenpath/uw versionLol, lmao even
>>97060977>I don't understand how to make it work without the #1 ranked mill commander Ebin small brain selfreport Buddy
>>97061070they could at least make her qt
>>97061085somehow I dont like hydras lol. they all feel like they are the same>>97061118yea sounds very strong. only downside would be that you would have a rather uninteresting commander
>>97061128Anon, Bruvac is literally the only way to make it work enough to be competitive. Mill is already not very viable in 60-card formats; nevermind in a format where there are FIVE TIMES AS MUCH CARDS TO GO THROUGH.
>>97060664you can't get more generic than just ramp in the command zone you don't need it, there's 0 build restrictions necessary to play him and you're in the 2 most flexible colors in the game
>>97061138>It's the only way because EDHREC said so!
>deck depends on the commander but only on turn 3 :)
>>97061133They did anon.>>97061135You are playing mono-green ramp! Put the payoffs in your deck and keep the ramp in your command zone.
>>97061145Name me your revolutionary strategy to make mill 5 times as stronger, then. It's not a good strat in commander.
>>97061152Looping sacs through altar of dementia to mill out the table isn't even hard
>>97061152Gonna have to actually play the game and get off EDHREC if you want answers, not spoon-feeding idiots
>>97061157If you have an infinite sac combo literally anything can serve as a payoff.
kamigawa azusa has the biggest cleavage so she is still the best one
>>97061163of which mill is one of them, so make some fucking lemonade with this will ya
>>97061163You don't need an infinite combo, just a few creatures with a lot of power.
>>97061120Its 100% happening
>>97061174If you have 200+ power ready to sac just swing with it and win nigga
>>97061135Sure, most of them are "Fireballs on legs". But there's a surprising amount of utility, too. Goldvein Hydra, Ulvenwald Hydra, and Rampant Rejuvenator help ramp. Lifeblood Hydra, Genesis Hydra, and Apex Devastator give card advantage. Hooded Hydra and Hydra Broodmaster go wide. Voracious Hydra and Polukranos kill stuff. Plus, you have access to green's +1/+1 counter, cost reduction, and "stats matter" mechanics.
>mill decks
>>97061174Mill is if anything the worse payoff available. If you have a creature that wants to die and return a lot, a Blood Artist will give the payoff while pinging your enemies and letting you survive. Ashnod's or Phyrexian Altar will provide you with a lot of mana over the course of the game, and even Viscera Seer will smooth out your draws. Meanwhile, Dementia Altar is literally a completely dead card on hand without a ready combo. I would rather have literally any other sac outlet.
>>97061165Shame about the fucked up face though.
>>97061180Will do ;)
lol
>>97061188Kozilek is my nigga.>not overused like Ulamog the Rapist>not a piece of shit like Emrakul (UNBAN THE GOOD ONE)>draws cards>annihilator, bitch>menace>can counterspell (theoretically)
>>97061210are these eyeballs in its arms
>>97061214Yes, a lot of Eldrazi have eyes on their elbows. Kozilek also has a giant eye (the big armored ball). Without his armor he's a freaky pile of tentacles and eyes.
>>97061214In the elbows. It doesn't need to look anywhere but down, after all.
>>97061204Oh ya, that was a thing.
>>97061214According to Ugin, no. It's just something you think looks like an eye. Eldrazi biology is convoluted to the point of insanity.The words he used was something to the effect of, imagine you are a fish and you see a man stick his hand into the water. You see a five-headed monster, and believe its nails are faces, because you cannot comprehend the whole.
>>97061233>Ugin says the Titans are just a guy's hand in a pond>HEY GUYS LET'S TRAP THE HAND IN A BOX THAT WILL DO THE TRICK>IT TOTALLY WON'T PISS THE CREATURE OFF AND MAKE IT SLAM THE POND BECAUSE WE BIT ITS HANDJace was right to sass the homosexual dragon.
>>97061239You know now that I think about it Nahiri doesn't even know anything about what happened to Ugin because neither him nor Sorin bothered telling her about it at any point. She probably just assumed he died and that's why he didn't answer the call. Then she saw him squaring up against Bolas in WAR and thought>what the fuck. did literally nobody in our club give a fuck about zendikar but me
>>97060931Skeleton seer is a kino archetype
>>97059938>TQsunforger. accept no substitutes.
>>97061262I'm fairly sure NO ONE gave a fuck about Zendikar.>Eldrazi want it as an afternoon snack>Ugin wants to use it as "acceptable losses">the rest of the Jacestice League is dicking around
>>97060678Play Ragavan
>>97060692>99 card value pilethis is just most WUBRG decks
>>97060931I don't like to say this, but sometimes I feel like there are a lot of people in the world that do not care for skeletons. Sometimes I lie awake in the night, thinking about cool skeletons like the one from the Wishmaster opening (timestamp https://youtu.be/k_cb451sRlU?si=pWWlSLa2HORhEmy8&t=114 ). The skeleton showing up behind the pillar and putting its arm on the guy's shoulder still has me in tears. How can anyone not like these happy brittle fucks?
>>97061271Now, let's be fair here, the Jacetice league DID bust their asses for it. They only dicked around after it was more or less cleaned up.
>>97061271Eldrazi didn't even want to eat Zendikar, Emrakul peaced out as quick as fuck and Kozilek was on his way out before Obby yanked him back in. They only showed up in the first place because Nahiri's original spell called them, they want "receptive soil" (current best guess: old dying planes) and Zendikar doesn't qualify.
>>97061188>he thinks my mill deck is about milling his library outthat's just my alternative wincon. my primary goal is reanimating and stealing your shit.
>>97061296Then your deck is reanimator facilitated by mill, not mill.
Everyone I play with tends to play decks that go wide or go huge almost without fail.Think endless tokens or endless counters.How tf do I play as the one player that does not really like to play that way? Any time I try to do some sort of removal or anything to stop it, I become priority target number 1 because everyone else "just wants to play the game" and by doing that I'm just "not letting them play the game"Its kind of getting annoying. I'm not very good at magic, nor am I pretending to be really, but it is fun when I'm not getting my shit kicked in by 3 other players with 35+ 3/3 tokens, or 72/72 creatures with vigilance, menace, and trample.Whats a good way to deal with a situation like this? Would try any color or color combination. Preferably something easy to grasp, but a little complexity is fine too. Even if I'm just playing defense the whole game, not swinging at anyone, but not letting anyone touch me specifically, I would be happy with that.
>>97061304Orzhov. Lots of boardwipes. Just boardwipe tribal. They will learn eventually.
>>97061304mono blue. it's gay and lame but someone has to do it.
>>97061301who plays pure mill? don't you just die to literally any competent deck?
>>97061308one up. mardu, zurgo helmsmasher commander. gives access to blas act, chain lightning, crackling doom, inevitable defeat, and plenty of other faggotry.
>>97061314the conversation was people saying mill is a really shitty wincon yes
>>97061304Ultimately if the people you play with are complaining about that shit they're probably going to complain about any start that doesn't play for big numbers on the board.
>>97061308>Boardwipe tribalI tried something like that recently and when they realized what I was doing I was never eliminated from a game so quickly in my life lol. I don't know how good the deck really was overall, but still.I guess my question in reality is, are there any play styles or deck focuses that are basically just "leave me alone - do not touch me" decks?>>97061311I enjoy mono blue, but I don't do it much because they see red when they hear "I'm playing mono blue." Not opposed to doing it again though.
>>97060977No, not to one.
>>97061314As it's occasionally playable in other formats (when phyrexian jace was legal in standard he was a really good control wincon) people try to do it in commander too. It's either bruvac it up or nothing, not even a dedicated mill commander who can mill every player for 10 or 20 every turn like Mindskinner just ends up being voltron but worse
>>97061325>they're probably going to complain about any start that doesn't play for big numbers on the board.They do.But ultimately, I'm not trying to get them to "not complain" anymore. I tried that. Now I just want to be able to survive lol
>>97061035seconded
>>97061304Piles and piles of defensive combat spellsInkshield, Fog effects, Aetherize, Aetherspouts, Settle the Wreckage, Hellish Rebuke, even stuff like Rakdos Charm or Illusionist's Gambit can work, the goal is to make people think twice about attacking you.Grab Ghostly Prison type effects too, btfos tokens and more importantly encourages the cavemen to club each other while you work on whatever dastardly wincon you've packed today.
>>97061304Seconding Mardu. Cards like Deflecting Palm and Rakdos Charm can help, too.
>>97061326mono blue and dimir you can at least make people regret going after you by just leaving mana open on their turn and playing instants.
>>97061304literally just cast insurrection until they stop overcommitting to board.or fog loop
>>97061326Okay, so, hear me out here. Kardur blink with those "return it to the battlefield tapped" effects. Sac him, return him, keep doing it over and over and watch the cavemen murderize one another.
>>97061341>>97061345>>97061349>>97061350>>97061352Thanks, gonna look through everyone's suggestions here soon and try to come up with something.
>>97061352Kardur is amazing in any deck that runs red and black. The best protection is ensuring everyone's shit is firing at anyone but you.And because he's an ETB if literally doesn't matter if he dies after. If anything it's better for you since then you can cast him again lol
>>97061304styles that I enjoy playing to fuck with people:>red groupslug/burn like ojer axonil, purphoros (if I die, the game will be over next turn anyways because everyone is down to like 5 life)>speed aristocrats (stuff like rakdos gut+iron throne, you usually get to cast a finisher before anyone understands that they are dead)>power matters fling (I've had people complain to me on several occasions that they cannot do anything against fling and thought it was too OP)>big mono-black mana with 20+ interaction (usually makes me archenemy, but in a fun way)also, what the other anon said, zurgo helmsmasher. he's hilarious against creature decks.
>>97061285I hate that you may be right and not many would be into skeletons. Fuck the visuals of that are so good. Really visceral skeleton action. I know we don't really have this kind of art in this game but anything even approaching this kind of energy would be awesome. Let these bony fucks be creepy, scary, and fun.
>>97061188Skill issue
>>97061118>>97061133>>97061070>>97061148Azusa has been my gal for over 10 years. She is fair but strong.https://archidekt.com/decks/14384222/azusa_50_lands>>97061165This guy knows what's up. I wish I picked up a foil version, but it was very expensive back in the day.
>>97061314True, with how the graveyard is just a second hand noq. Any mill deck that is not infinite mill is just group hug.
>watch any video talking about Avatar commanders >pretty much every Avatar commander is considered garbage >"this commander will be removed if they get played so they are bad and you are dumb"So is everyone that plays this format just a giant joyless faggot?
>>97061314I like my Mothman deck because its a +1+1 proliferate deck disguised as mill
>>97060714How dumb would it be to run this guy as just a bunch of bouncelands and every halfway decent MDFC land for MAXIMUM utility?
>>97061477Isn't Katara obviously good for bant allies?"wah wah my 3/3 with no evasion will get removed" so play her again ya lil bitch
>>97061477Those videos have never been worth watching. That mindset has been in all of them for quite a while now.
>>97061477>Videos need to get clicksRational, well reasoned opinions get lost outside of well established creators, and even then they often have to lean into nonsense opinions that will get people talking and engaging even if it's completely idiotic or outside of the lanes, that is edhrec echochamber.So, yes, in short soulless joyless pricks.If it's not a 4, it's a bore.
What's the worst commander take you've seen in a video recently? I saw one recently where the hosts were saying REB/Pyro were bad.
>>97061540>What's the worst commander take you've seen in a video recently? I saw one recently where the hosts were saying REB/Pyro were bad.I had a minor melty when nitpicking nerds were rating black staples and I think they gave Dark Ritual either a B or a C and I started yelling at my screen about how retarded that take was.Dark Ritual is a busted card, its good at any level of play, who is out there rating it anything less than S tier suck my fucking dick
>>97061477I'm going to assume you watched a Maldhound video where he yaps with the deer faggot, so the answer is yes. From my experience commander players are the whiniest bunch of faggots around>every card is "kill on sight">you built a deck around a commander in the commander format?!
would it be weird if i showed up to commander night and ask if someone had a deck i could borrow
>>97061555It's only good in bracket 4 or cEDH decks. Otherwise it's just a one time boost that probably won't mean much in the overall game.
>>97061565At an LGS? MaybeAt the kitchen table with bros? You're fine
>>97061540I don't really watch much, so i guess I need to go with the idea people put forward about legendary's being watered down and how they should make a new classification of "elites" or some shit for legendaries that just aren't good enough for being commanders and only making CEDH possible characters as legendaries from now own.Which, is just dumb. People do infact like making janky 2a and 3s and like niche commanders to flex their creativity to, and though I agree they should tone down legendaries in general, not every last one needs to be a cedh banger, and nor should they be.
>>97061565I think its weird when people dont ask. I have 7 decks with me. If we are playing high power, I have a deck I can loan you. If we are playing low power, I have a deck I can loan you.
>>97061565I'd let you borrow one of my 13 or so at the LGS, sure. I'm going to watch you like a hawk though.
>>97061477some people are just in too deep and developed PTSD from playing weak commanders against strong commanders. but that's the game.
>>97061565Kind of. Unless you're with friends and you just ask one of them to borrow a deck. Asking to borrow the deck of someone you don't know is iffy. You'll probably find some people who would let you but you'll also just as likely to not let you borrow their decks.
>>97061574>how they should make a new classification of "elites" or some shit for legendaries that just aren't good enough for being commanders and only making CEDH possible characters as legendaries from now own.What would be accomplished by making all of those random pack filler legends not legends anymore?
>>97061597Nothing, other than making legendaries that by default, can't go into the command zone, but are legendary in function every other way.Its moronic.
>wanted to build Toph>all the builds I see are just basedfacing "IM A GENIUS" combo decks that rely on the artifacts being lands >have had a janky lady of otaria deck I made because I wanted a dwarf deck that wasn't magda>just gruul landfall/sac with dwarfs thrown in >use that as basis and just make a landfall deck but with white >proxy toph to be Galleon Landfall might be gay but it makes my neurons go off
>>97061574>the idea people put forward about legendary's being watered down and how they should make a new classification of "elites" or some shit for legendaries that just aren't good enough for being commanders and only making CEDH possible characters as legendaries from now own.That may be one of the worst fucking ideas I've ever heard. That is just so fucking stupid.
>>97061610>proxy toph>fuck up the typing
>>97061568I disagree. If you are running whatever pre-con and you are able to play a Ritual to ramp into your commander on like T2, you are probably winning the game at that moment.
>>97061477>"this commander will be removed if they get played so they are bad and you are dumb"That could be said for literally any card you try to play, not exclusively commanders. At the end of the day, this is a TCG and luck is going to play a role no matter how optimized something is. Every game is just hoping that you're opponents don't draw into their removal/counters before you can make a play.The other night I won with my Edgar deck which is the most blunt "cast creature, creatures swing" deck imaginable but no one had any removal or counters to stop me and I I was able to cast Akromas.
>>97061625>noooo the sanctity of my slop
>>97061625What did I fuck up?
>>97061626I can attest to that>played Master of Dark Rites turn 1 >played my 6 cost commander turn 3>basically won me the game
>>97061646>Dragon AllyAlso the frame should be gold and not green. See pic related as a formatting example.
>>97061577>>97061582>>97061596okay. i might go and see but i dont know. i just can't afford to buy the precon i want until the 5th and im so addicted to magic after someone else let me borrow their deck and play that im desperate to play more before that, its all i can think about every day
>>97061670>dragon allyI changed it because Galleon is a dragon aspect of Earth and the typing doesn't matter>frame should be gold not greenAgain, I changed it because the artwork I used was already gold/yellow so it made the frame harder to see
>>97061693>I doubled down on my slop
decided to make my schizo waifu I have fun with it on MTGA
>>97061700>slop slop slop slop slopAlright man you win, have a good night
>>97061717I made two versions of her, one for the combat instants and another for flash creatures
>>97061717>no Azula Always Lies or Overwhelming Victory for flavor
>>97061736she's alot more fun than I expected I knew she'd be good but good doesn't always mean fun to play>>97061744I'd add them if I had them
What is the best old school Plains art? I need to bling out my General Jarkeld banding deck
>>97061744Ah so its a deck with stuff you have. Gotcha. Mine's suped up because she was one of my bad taste in women childhood crushes Now they just need to make a Master Cyclonis card with a Stormhawks universe beyond and I'll be set
this is the gayest downgrade everbut who am I talking to, it's the Commander playerbase
>>97061813I like them both
>>97061813I like the other Capenna themed one better.
found this in a chaff pileis this art ai?
>>97061845>inconsistent locks on everyone's faces>look at the guy on the far right, wtf is even happening to him>the guys around him don't even have any locks>random pointless swirls on the staff>fucked up keys>random guy in the corner>ai-coded yellow blue color filterNot AI but probably traced over AI or used an AI reference.
not sure if ironic >I was just pretending to be retarded but cringe posts above nonetheless
>>97061845>>97061851First time it was printed with that art was in 1997. Don't be retarded, even intentionally retarded.
>is this art AI? Chandra became a troon and Loot's head is just phasing out of her flat chest+ the perspective on her punching hand is completely wrong
>>97061860>Prompt: mastectomy, transmasc, Vegeta punch, girl boss, excited mascot, well fed mascot, matriarchy
>>97061555I'd put it at a B+, maybe A-. It's a terrible topdeck and generally bad late game. An S card is one that you're always happy to see.
>>97061477To be fair, a lot of the commanders are build around with little to no redundancy, so if you're playing at a table with properly built decks then yes, removing the commander is almost always the optimal choice since you will cripple a lot of avatar helmed decks like that. Still a gay and soulless way to look at the game but they're not necessarily wrong - or right, since this is a problem inherent to all build around decks with fairly unique commanders.
>>97061639>>The other night I won with my Edgar deckWow so impressive anon....
>>97061477>So is everyone that plays this format just a giant joyless faggotIt wasn't always this way, but today? Yes.
>>97061890This is just a problem with the game in general since magic wasn't made around commander.If one was to rebuild commander for the ground up, commanders probably would just be a passive ability card that couldn't be interacted with
I love these Soltari guys. They're awesome in my Marisi goad deck.
>>97061907>If one was to rebuild commander for the ground up, commanders probably would just be a passive ability card that couldn't be interacted withMtg invented a variation of this decades ago, I think it was called vanguard but no one played it. Serra was one of the possible commanders.
>>97061907I wish they would just spin off a dedicated Commander format where cards couldn't be used in other formats. It always baffles me whenever competitors try to make another 1v1 TCG. The biggest market is a multiplayer commander style game.
>>97061907>>97061941
>>97061916List?
>he's multi replying on cool down expecting not to look like a schizo
Why is Crusade banned but pic related isn't?The historic crusades themselves were Europe's response to hundreds of years of Muslims invading and conquering European land and subjugation the native Europeans to foreign Muslim rule. Is it racist for Europeans to defend themselves from being conquered?
>>97061693>and the typing doesn't matterYou know, except all the cards where it does matter.
>>97061977So you like the fantasy of it but not the reality?
>>97062034Cathar's in the name links it to a fictional event, Crusade is made in invoke historical crusades with the added "white creatures get +1/+1" and its not something they want to have happen,
>>97062035that gay dragon is fucking a pile of skulls
>>97062034They needed to ban anything that could be remotely offensive. So they had to get rid of Jihad. But you can't ban Jihad without banning Crusade as well. The only problem is, that absolutely nobody played Jihad in the first place, but some people played Crusade.
>>97062046But it was perfectly ok and noncontroversial for the first 20 years of the game?
>>97062048and these gay dragons are performing a mating ritual.
>everyone shows their tourism visa with pride
>>97062049Fuck I never knew this card existed. I would have ran bith Crusade and Jihad in my inclusive mono white humans deck.
>>97062051Are you 5? Shocking how you are posting on 4chan but have yet not learned that views on things that are acceptable can change over time.
Kefka, Dancing BAD
>>97062046spotted the shitlib
>>97062059What is so terrible about the historic crusades exactly? Use your big boy words.
>>97062076It doesn't matter what you or I believe what was or wasn't wrong with them, that's WOTC reasoning for banning it, and large swath of other old cards.You are quite dim, dare I say, retarded.
Avatar tourist here. What happens if I just do 37 good lands and then have the rest be nothing but a variety of bending cards?
>>97062087Bracket 1
>>97062087You'll have a deck that does a lot of bending and still loses because you're probably bad at threat detection in a 4-player pod.
>>97062097My pronouns are King/master. You will refer to me with these pronouns to affirm my gender identity.
>>97062103Fellow king/kingself
>>97062103my pronouns are king/maker you will respect my right to deal 40 damage from hand targeted at your face.
>>97062103Yes, master.
>Friend too socially retarded to make deals during commanderI fucking hate this, the social part is so interesting to me and he just will not make deals ever. I cannot make any deal decks
>>97062046Thank GAWD they got rid of that super racial card!!
>>97062035That's an alligator
>>97062046>Cathar's in the name links it to a fictional event>he doesn't knowhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade
>>97062103>>97062110My pronouns are My Lorde/Master. Pleased to meet you, my kings.
>>97062139huh, what you mean?
>>97062166But those arent relevant here. The cathars on innistrad are.
test
>>97062224Test this!*Unzips*
>>97062083nta, but it does matter what you or he believes, but it doesn't matter what wotc "official" reasoning is. >views on things that are acceptable can change over timeviews on crusades are acceptable to this very day. it's only people from a specific cancerous political spectrum who think they weren't acceptable. it is also important to note that wotc still hasn't banned cards for using muslim imagery, you know, the religion about the desert pig-demon whose followers slaughtered their way through countless lands, enslaving millions and bringing nothing but suffering to the world, then finishing by turning every country they touched into a massive shithole to this very. I don't think there even exists an ideology more vile and disgusting than shitslam (outside of communism of course, the ideology of eternally pretending that all is well as long as you can censor everything).
>>97062301>I don't think there even exists an ideology more vile and disgusting than shitslamever heard of judaism?oh boy, those "people" sure did "suffer" a lot for no reason at all!goes without saying but, do kys.
>>97062356> jews are greedy> maro is greedy> maro is a greedy jew> maro is poisoning magic with slopAIIIEEEEE help me Hitler
>>97061477>So is everyone that plays this format just a giant joyless faggot?Yes. But besides that wan shi tong has potential, and I built Naya toph and it is incredible. One silence or grand abolisher effect resolves and I can go to town with candelabra or storm cauldron loops.
Just ordered 105 cards for $55.Gonna build one deck and upgrade a few of my others.I may have gone a little overboard optimizing the budget for this deck I'm building. Hopefully it still functions.
think about it
>>97062443It becoming another creature doesn't make it change zones.
>>97062447incorrect.read the cards, please.
Commanders that cure insomnia?
>>97062457Think about what? He didn't leave the battlefield.There's a reason this only has 13 reported decks.
>>97062480>>97062447abdel doesn't have any abilities after his ETB so you can make him the most powerful thing on the board realistically I never play my background in any abdel deck
every time I get an equipment for cheap and try it out it just ends up losing me the game by sucking so much that I end up selling it for profit. not that I'm complaining but why do many of these keep rising in price again?
>>97062480>There's a reason this only has 13 reported decks.using EDHReddit as a metric for anthing other than a measure of this community retardation. ok anon.
>>97061639>That could be said for literally any card>anyway I play edgar lol
>>97062538>why do many of these keep rising in price again?same way slivers/token doublers/dragons etc etc do.autism is the reason.equipments overall are garbage unless you have a consistent shell dedicated to it OR they come with a creature already attached (ie batterskull and kaldra compleat)
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97062538>>97062557they also rarely reprint the good equipment too. even something like colossus hammer took from dnd to final fantasy to get a regular non game box or promo or secret lair printing.
>>97062402MaRo's been around since before the company got greedy and I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think he used to speak against some of the (at the time potential) greedy things they could do with the game.Though honestly, he's at best just equal parts figurehead and scapegoat at this point. Kinda feel bad for him, despite the absolutely septic takes he's been known to have at times.I ain't defending Hasbro's greed by any means, just saying that our ire should be directed towards the people who are ACTUALLY responsible.
isn't this pretty efficient for green even without getting to cheat creatures? doesn't require you to have one on the field like many draw engines and is very cheap
>>97062667its only a once per turn effect, i think lifectafter's bestiary is better even it costs one more generic.
>>97062667Wtf? I can't run this in my M. Bison deck.
It's just cool, and if you can stick it to an opponent's creature it doubles as removal.>>97060020Cancer but also so visually and flavorfully effective it still manages to be cool>>97060456What the fuck is that art? God I hate Tarkir so much>>97060532Iconic>>97060647More iconic, and better, because proto-lifelink stacks with itself>>97060762I love the swords. I bought a shitton of Kaladesh trying to pull the special treatment for this.>>97060928Missed opportunity to make a fourth Kaldra item that gigabuffs the existing one, but I guess making things gay and retarded was the theme of nuPhyrexia in general
>>97062462
How does it work if i have two trigger doublers, i.e. token multipliers?If I would make 1 token and have 2 cards that make it go 2x, do i get 3 in total or 4?
>>970627584
>>97062760Why?
>>97062693Street Fighter return when? I want a damn Bison already.
>>97062693>>97062793Shame xe's not in the trans rights colors to properly represent xer ultimate goal of putting xer brain in Cammy's body. Gaming's first playable trans woman deserves better.
>love the concept of prowess>always gas out at the table and am left with some weak 1/1sI want to make this work so bad bros :(
>>97062764Because the triggered ability that causes them to double resolve independently (and in the order you choose), not at the same time.
>>97062801you're never gonna make it, you have to rely on card advantage sloppas
>>97062758Usually actual doublers are replacement effects, not triggers. So in case of Nyxbloom Ancient if you have two, you apply one of them to replace the mana you get with 3 and then the second one that to replacement to make it 9.It depends on the card though. Mirari's Wake is an actual trigger that gives you an additional mana. So that only increases it by 1 and Nyxbloom doesn't triple it.
>>97061477Richard is always right if you don't count his Smaug ramp take.
would you run redoocers like picrel, if he can't reduce 1/3 of your spells?
>>97062801>use non-creature non-land card to draw 2 or more cardsWow! Could it really be so simple?
>>97062679I was thinking it's pretty comparable to that BUT you need to actually first draw the creature to start chaining but yeah the potential is better. this is just 1 mana surveil a turn at worst but can give you card advantage with no synergy in hand or board. not an auto-include by any means but I thought it was pretty neat
>>97061477edh is meant to create ridiculous board states and have fun trying to figure out wtf is going onplaying it competitively is retarded beyond comprehension
>>97062462Fits her personality in the game to be extremely boring so that's just good flavor.
>>97062937I run a jet medallion in a grixis deck that is 50%+ black where the main strategy relies on black cards.
>>97061430>7 high cmc removal spells>no removal under 5 cmcDoes this actually work for you?
>>97063036This, but people are going to fall for that obvious trap when the format blows up the way it did.
>>97061477>waaaaah why dont you like my kids show :(
I have made what I think is a very good deck from the collector and play boosters I pulled (aside from moonmist and the lands). Eight cards of each bending type. Let’s hope it fucking workshttps://archidekt.com/decks/17729398/avatar_aang_collection
>>97062512>>97062546So abdel becoming another creature does in fact NOT trigger anything? Despite one of you saying incorrect. Damn this place sucks.
>>97062443Whoever posted this is a retard
>>97062443imagine old legend rule was in effectreplace your board with 1/1s, copy their commander (killing both), re-etb your board
>>97062667
Whelp it happened. My playgroup jumped the shark once the proxy pill was swallowed. Now everyone is drifting away from battlecruiser and are now building combo decks. Should I:>rebuild Teshar>Jan Jansen>BW Abdel>Godo Helm (for shiggles)
>>97062512>abdel doesn't have any abilities after his ETBHalf-correct, and irrelevant.His triggered ability has a built-in duration that ends when he leaves the battlefield (also note - referencing the card name in the effect means "this game object." Changing the name doesn't matter). Phasing him out will do what you expect, though.It's the reason why removing a Banisher Priest in response to it entering results in a different outcome than removing a Fiend Hunter when it enters, because the latter does have its return tied to a separate effect that can be manipulated.
>>97062975>you actually need to actually first draw the creature to start chaining >playing creaturesthis is so hard to do in greenit's even harder to get your commander out of the command zone onto the battlefield, some say
>>97063660>your playgroup got gaped into a larger variety of toys to play withthis is an absolute win. Now brew up your nastiest izzet pile'o'fuck, you piece of shit
>>97062713>It's just cool, and if you can stick it to an opponent's creature it doubles as removal.You can't sacrifice permanents you don't control.
>>97061477You seem really based and I wish I played with more people like you
Cats: In your relationship, you take it in the ass. Yes, even if you have a girlfriend/"girlfriend"Dogs: Your favorite D&D class is Paladin. You've also never played D&DGoblin: You're either an oldfag or newfag. No inbetweens.Merfolk: You either don't exist or you felt represented by both Ixalan blocks, one for your tribe and the other for your home (caves)Humans: You have main character syndromeVampires: Tasteful gooner, pardon the oxymoronSlivers: The Veruca Salts of Magic.Eldrazi: You have "First level boss" energy, but that's respectableDragons: Despite being one of the most pushed tribes in the game and having access to blue, white, and black, you cry about a Wrath of God.Elves: Soldiers but faggySoldiers: Elves but boomer energySquirrels: Elves and Cats had a baby, and inherited all the gayness.Praetors/Gods: You have the "I want to be the big bad" attitude of Eldrazi but FotM energyWizards: I'm probably targeting you first because you're up to somethingAngels: Tasteful gooner, up until you drop an Avacyn AoH. Then you're a threat.Zombies: If you actually play from the graveyard, then you get a pass. Otherwise you are a boring faggot.Elementals: I would respect you for playing a 4-5 tribal that isn't just ultra-pushed goodstuff if your commander wasn't retarded.Warriors/Rats: You're a decent player, but doesn't sit beside me until you shower.Dinosaurs: I have absolutely no respect for you and expect you to be bad at this game
>>97061477Only watch EDHtoobers for their gameplay, never for their shitass input that is heavily influenced and skewed by their local meta - which they don't even realise to be the case most of the time.I would generally avoid EDH creators entirely and watch those that acknowledge other formats as well. EDH is the biggest format, but in itself as a content form still very niche. With the amount of creators around and still popping up, echo chamber bullshit takes to stay afloat arise very often.this chick >>97061530 gets it
>>97061540a bunch of them hellbent on talking people out of picrel or Chromatic Lantern.Of course, both aren't necessarily overly good cards, but the passion and fire they put into these takes makes it seem like they want to see a witch burn.the format of casual and jank btw
>>97063811>Goblins Humans and Angels >Tasteful Oldfag GoonerSurprisingly accurate
>>97063878>like to draw a bunch of cards sometimes>run 2-3 unlimited hand size effect in gruul>friends say that's bullshit because I will by busy sifting through my enormous hand>take unlimited hand size out>draw 24>have to decide what to discard before I can pass the turn>friends complain my turns are taking even longer now and ask me to put unlimited hand size back inI build my decks so I can unga bunga. Thinking hard after every unga bunga is not unga bunga.
>>97062035Well Galleon the Gold IS a dragon, so it makes sense that this doesn't hurt her
>>97061477never turn your hobby into a career
>>97063811now do demons, horrors and skeletons
>>97063660Poor people are genuinely the worst and ruin everything and this isnt talked about enough.
>>97063811do assassins, giants, mice, ninjas, clerics, and spirits
I kind of want to build a new Tribal deck, anyone have fun with Outlaws? I assume you're mostly choosing between Japser or Olivia?
>>97063956Demon tribal is the only ones I've seen exist outside of the internet.Demons are spice. Best used sprinkled about for flavor. Make an entire dish with only them, and I have no idea what the fuck you're trying to accomplish other than pain for its own sake.
>>97063975>whales are richlol, lmao
>started playing in 2022>lol the art from old cards looks like booty>2025>look at an old serra angel>oh shit I actually like thisDid I catch some kind of disease from looking at too much cardboard?
>>97064012Ninjas: Your big, clever play was telegraphed years ago. You are the definition of a midwit.>The rest:
>>97064026>creature type is so underrepresented and weak they just get mushed together with other typeshate to see it
>>97064080Caught a little bit of good taste
>>97063811>didn't even mention the #1 foid tribe, birds
>>97064030Did you reply to the wrong person?
>>97064095its clearly poorly drawn and I probably only like it because of the titsit is somehow captivating though
>>97064080You came to appreciate the intent of the art over its technical skill. Old magic art was amateurish but ambitious. New magic art is better but a lot of it feels soulless. The actual artistry was lost along the way. This is effectively the mtg equivalent of gamers saying that old pixel art and low poly graphics looks better than the ultra hd 1000000 visible pores graphics of today, because aesthetic is more important than pure technical quality.
>>97064110nta but his post makes complete sense>having cards doesn mean you aren't poor>it just makes you a whale My friends who are in their 30s working at wallmart have thousand dollar decks.
>>97064110He was right; the biggest whale at my shop is unemployed, most of the well off guys in their late twenties are saving for houses now
>>97063975Yes, directly supporting the game with thousands of dollars clearly makes the game better
>>97064026You can also do Marchesa as a draw engine that cares about crimes which outlaws tend to commit.
>>97064164>MarchesaI am now reminded that I need to build her.
>>97064088I think everyone has that one creature type that they wish was better/more represented. For example: I like Nobles as a concept. I think they're neat. The creature type has been around for 30 years.In that time, not a single card has been printed that synergizes with them. Until Avatar, when they now have a commander that cares about them. Too bad that commander is SHIT
>>97063660>godo helm>a former cedh allstarYet more proof that proxyfags are just cedh players in denial lmao
>>97064137Proxiers are f2p and whales fund mtg, yes
>>97064210He's being sarcastic. What he's describing is why we have 7 sets a year, why 5 of them are UB, and why all of them are pushed for commander with at least one chase card that gets banned from standard within a month.
>>97061304my son, it is time to become a grixis spellslingerpic rel, darkness, killing wave, fate transfer, VATS, RAKDOS CHARM, BACKLASH, DELIRIUM, Phthisis (correct spelling), kardur doomscourge
>any anon has a problem >edhg's solution is always 20 board wipes, or some kind of lock that prevents anyone from playing>either no wincon or a generic two card comboThis is why you're nogames.
>>97064339Don't just remove the counters, get paid for removing them.
>>97064366this is some weak bait
>>97064366Relax anon, it's a joke. We like to do a little trolling. Like the guys who always talk about sneaking MLD into bracket 2 tables. We don't actually do it, we just like to pretend we're moustache twirling villains posting our dastardly deeds onto the most evil imageboard on the Internet.We're chill irl. I'll grab you a beer and show off my custom proxies sometime.
>>97064395This post is the most blatant lie in this thread so far. Even more than the proxy bait ~2 hours ago.
>>97062693Ridiculous we didn't get one the last time. Sagat, too.
Nice! They heard me and will hopefully release a drop with mechanically unique cards this time ^^
>>97064444Extreme close up art looks bad for legendary creatures. At least it isn't torso up.
>>97064462Why? They've done far far far worse drops. Like infinitely worse.
>>97064366>posts this IMMEDIATELY after my suggestions like a stupid asshole that explicitly mentions backlash, rakdos charm and anti-token techfuck off retard
>WOTC is completely redoing the MH SL setHahahaha what the fuck
>>97064462They claimed they ended print to demand. If so then these should already be printed, so, how would they fix them now? What happens to the printed ones? Collectors items traded among WOTC employees?Oh wait, no, they just lied and have been print to demand the entire time, with a limited demand. Rather than their lie of printing first to ensure quick delivery (which does not happen)
>>97064477Autistic mh fags
>>97064462Doesn't even have to be new cards, just mechanically FITTING would be a fucking start
>>97064502they didn't do that with various other IPs.
>>97064444>covers more than half of a written worddon't do this, it's ugly and annoying
>>97064534You can still read it. Which is more than can be said for some official cards
>>97064511Unlike the other IPs, MH filters out the nonautistic.
>>97064462God I hope so. First time they've really commented on the content of a Secret Lair being so shit. And this was shaping up to be an impressively shit drop. I wonder if all but the first Kratos and Ghost Of Tsushima secret lairs still being unsold this whole time for them nervous. Those and the Avatar ones. Nervous enough to make this change and make something actually unique.
>>97064567seemed like it had decent cards to me
if i brought crusade and other banned cards to the lgs would i start a tranny freakout?
>>97064567Tsushima sold out immediately as did default kratos. Weird examples
>>97064080You grew up and gained taste
>>97064567If you want me to buy secret lair shit, it has to be in one (or both) of two categories:>reprints of highly desirable cards at an affordable price (e.g. selling a $50 card in a $20 bundle)>mechanically unique cards that aren't total shitMH should have a guild gimmick where you need 4 hunters, and all 4 can be your commander. If you have a full party on the board, they get various bonuses and can play off each other.
>>97064583>Would people be upset if I broke the rules?Yes. And calling them trannies doesn't make you in the right.
>>97064088>>97064178I think when people like both of you don't truly understand is that some creature types are there for flavor and others are there for a tribe. Sometimes a rare creature type is used specifically to deny synergies with other tribal cards but also it more has to do with the feel of the plane Tldr, not every tribe is tribal
>>97064587Exactly. That's what I mean. Only those and the Horizon Zero Dawn sold out. The rest didn't. Before these the various secret lairs would sell out instantly. I don't know if this means they over produced or there's not as much interest.
>>97064567Now they just need to give fatalis and nergi better art and add alatreon
>>97064597>da ruleslmfao
>>97064601Not really. sonic took long too. They also have changed how things work since those previous sales.
>>97064583>someone played one>we laughed about it>realise i was the only one not playing white>make jokes about privilege and discrimination the entire nightit was fun(ny)
>>97064579They were shit and not a single unique thing among them.
>>97064604based. I show up with a 60 card legacy deck with multiple copies of each card. If someone cries about this not being legacy I just call them a tranny
>>97064579Look at them again, like two of them were decent reprints.And this isn't even covering that these cards don't fit mechanically and flavour wise at all, they literally just looked at the creature types and called it a day
>>97064603I just want a fucking Seltas. And mechanically unique stuff
>>97064615Grand abolisher is shit? Most of those cards literally had more value than the entire furby lairs.>BUT MY IPI don't care. I only buy for the card and their effects>>97064620And I care about IP flavour why? I just want good reprints.
>>97064567>>97064462The Avatar secret layers are honestly so bad that I'm surprised they're not recalling them as well
>>97064638They'll likely stop licensed lairs if they have to constantly recall them for not appeasing the autism of some IPs fans
>>97064496This desu, someone needs to answer this question and someone should be harassing them on their socials about it
>>97064583Depends how much of a /pol/tard you are about it
>>97064645I am the only one I have seen bring this up and it is really irritating
>>97064626Nigger no one said anything about the IP. But if they want people to spend upwards of fifty dollars on this shit the cards have to be worth more than whatever the base price of the cards already are and a mechanically unique thing is the only way to make any of this stupid shit worth it. Otherwise you'd just buy a Grand Abolisher or a Imperial Recruiter since those two were the only thing worth a damn in the whole bunch
>>97064647>bringing a shit card solely for idpol shitclearly a massive one.
>>97063811My favored tribes are Shapeshifters, Oozes, and Goyfs.
>>97064496I think you're likely right. And in a sense I wouldn't be surprised if this whole fuck up was planned. Otherwise I can't imagine why they'd have such a mediocre lineup of cards.
>>97064642Honestly I just genuinely don't see the demand if we're not getting high value cards or if we're not getting mechanically unique cards, and based on the fact that most of the recent ones are still alive in the shop, people seem to share that opinion. The only Avatar secret layer that actually sold out day of was the cabbage seller meme
>>97064487First time they've done this isn't it? I don't imagine Capcom would give a shit what the cards do but then if not that what the hell happened to really make them reconsider the cars selection?
>>97064655Then maybe you're the one to call them out on their lies
>>97064561I'm still mad that Sonic doesn't give Unstoppable
>>97064673The issue with this argument is it assumes 0 changes have been made since the very first limited demand secret lair. Zero precautions have been taken to ensure fast sell outs aren't as common of uniques etc. This is objectively false and there for the entire argument doesn't work.
>>97064638Those are shaping up to be impressively bad too. But I think general Avatar hype and it's set being more sought after will be enough to carry some of that.
>>97064638The only lairs that sell out fast are ones filled with expensive ass cards like demonic tutor.
>>97064567yeah bro, the cards are not limited and expensive enough to drive low lifes away
>>97064638thats why they have a bundle of the tutors and free commander spells, to guarantee they will sell
>>97064626Everyone who wanted grand abolished already had a copy. No one besides the mentally ill buys multiple prints of a card they already have.
>>97064662>nooooo you cant bring this perfectly normal card because it references history!YOU are the idpol retard and the reason id bring the card. go ahead and act like the most obnoxious tranny in the world and discredit your whole worldview to the table as you bully me, whos pretending to be a newbie and to have no idea that the card is even banned and "i just wanted to make a cool knight deck". Go ahead.
>>97064707Seems you answered the question.
>>97064682Sorry but I have no idea what you're talking about and what that has to do or mechanically unique cards
>>97064706NTA, but I could see the argument if the art was decent enough to warrant the price increase, the value card was already expensive enough that you would be paying close to the base price of the card anyway, and the other cards were something that someone could see running in a deck.Just for examples, I think the Generous Gift in the Sonic drops is a hilarious an mechanically-cohesive reference to something I'm a fan of. I wouldn't mind picking up another copy of it for that alone, but I'm not going out to pay $35 for an uncommon when none of the other cards interest me.On the other hand, I bought the Rebecca Guay drop because I wanted to use the Stoneforge and Thoracle, two cards I own already but can easily see myself putting into other future decks I might want to build, and now don't need to go out and find.
>print arena version of spiderman card because I don't wanna look at him and go play>opponent: oh you brought alternative art proxies? then it's fine if I do so as well?>s-sure>they bring out a deck with card arts switched like sigarda's aid with serra angel>not only that, everything looks the same, all the fliers have art from angel tokens or some shit>can't tell the cards apart anymore across the tableis that really how my arena alt arts look like?
>>97064626>nooo why would a product made to mainly bait fans of an IP appease them in some way further than just completely unrelated Reprints? Did you goon away your frontal lobe or something?
>>97064755yes
>>970647071/10 bait
>>97064755Yes
>>97059938What wincons do I use for Clement
>>97064462>>97064477>>97064567Wizards is 100% ok with releasing trash, so i have no doubt in my mind that this was the result of someone at Capcom seeing the negative response from the community and telling Wizards to fix it
>>97064755YES you motherfucker that was the point. fucking play the universes beyond versions or don't play at all.
>>97064816you just sit there and watch someone else win your game, Guy in the Chair
So this effectively gives all equipment Living Weapon, which is something i always wanted in a commander. But now that i have it, i'm not sure what to do with it. Most equipment result in you having a bunch of 2/2s on board. I guess you just add a bunch of token synergies and go for a big alpha strike?
>>97064874gosh, I can't wait to get some wholly new cards in the secret lair
>>97064755>>they bring out a deck with card arts switched like sigarda's aid with serra angelNo. Draw the line here.>>B-b-but switching the art!You look like a sperg with a Danny Phantom custom deck, but "I'm used to the Arena version" is at least an explanation, and functionally you're using art from a mechanically-identical gamepiece. Someone using established MtG art for other cards is sending mixed signals and has no excuse. This post seems like bait because of the sheer amount of Poe's Law that begs.
>>97064891Ally synergies too
>>97064891The floor is to just run the good equipment like the swords cycle and just be an aggro deck
>>97064889ogey
>>97064874Yeah that's the part I wasn't so sure about. Wizard's can release absolute ass and wouldn't think twice about it. Someone had to have put pressure on them and it has to be real pressure not just people on social media. Capcom putting their foot down and demanding Wizard's do something to fix the bad public reaction would do it. I just didn't think Capcom would have cared.
>>97064929You know i usually don't proxy decks mostly because i don't make that many decks to begin with so i'm fine with buying cards, but the swords are so fucking expensive that i might just proxy this one
>>97063330Yes. The deck pumps out wins and threats before anything needs to be removed. It's pure offensive except for a few cards to remove things so you can win.
>>97064874Probably have little say after the contract was inked.
>>97064891since you'll go wide your finisher should be wide. pic related are premium jeskai finishers. otherwise the old reliable Shared Animosity will get you through.
>>97064477Capcom might've slapped some sense into them after the backlash.
>>97065098And they could just tell capcom to fuck off. Capcom isn't going to do a lengthy lawsuit to get out of the contract.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/i5cVFKOvJIkwhen girls goon to cards its funnywhen guys goon to cards its cringe
>>97064891you run the good value equipment with high equip costs and the cheap aggro equipment and rush peoplehaste enabler like (dalakos, the izzet siege, nahiri's resolve)white anthemsbonus for sword of the meek and skillclamp that have synergy with small guys
Improved readibility version.
>>97065133I don't care. Do what you want and stop caring that others aren't praising you. You fucking narcissist.
>>97065222"Not praising" isnt equivalent to "being called cringe" fyi, as if booktok ever gets any pushback
The more I play and the more I obsessively refine lists, I find myself highly rating 1-cost spells that also do a thing. Lightstall Inquisitor. Soul Warden. Quest for Pure Flame. Efficiency really is the name of the game and if you spend your T1 play to drop a lite stax piece onto the table, you are winning the game. 1-drops are easier to fit into plays that use up 100% of your available mana on subsequent turns. They can enable things which trigger buty only once per turn (if you play at flash speed). Playing a card often is enough to get a trigger.I know Im preaching to the choir here to a certain extent, but 1-drops and 2-drops are so much more playable than any other mana cost.
>>97065244Who the fuck cares? Stop being mad society doesn't follow your ideals
>>97065253Who said anything about society following ideals? We just want to be left alone>imb4 you out yourself a 3rd time
>>97065248I fucking love ripping this bad boy and hear my opponents scream like women in horror movies from the 50s
>>97065171Still don't want the art covering the text still bad
>>97065362There is still the original, more conservative version.
>>97064122It literally makes no sense im sorry.>>97064132Right about what? You can not be poor and also not be rich. Me mentioning poor people doesnt bring rich ones or their attitudes into the conversation.
>>97065529some people are bad with money, it's not that hard to understand, retard.
>>97065529>It literally makes no sense im sorry.Are you stupid?
>>97059938Probably this thing.
ok lads please read my funny story about "deck building" Im not new to magic. I have been playing since a long long time but I just returned 2 months ago. When I stopped, edh was big but nowhere as popular as it is today.few weeks ago I looked into what commander to build and I love vampires. I checked out clavileno on edhrec and built a deck with cards I liked from the recommended lists.so today the cards I had ordered arrived and I go through all of them. I realized almost all of the cards I have ordered are from the same set. Lost Caverns of Ixalan. okay lol that seems strange. I do some diggin and realize that Clavileno was a precon commander and now my deck consists of roughly 80% of the cards from the precon deck.of course I also play some cards like charismatic conquerer and bloodthirsty conquerer that were not included in the precon, but besides that I feel a bit bad.thanks for reading
Next visit to eldraine I want a cycle of knights with protection to their enemy pairs
>>97065619ixalan was a really pushed set
I want to try paperEDH. Do you guys think this would be a good commander?
>>97065619This happened to me a noob with Hakbal. I loved merfolk and all the lists said he was numero uno
>>97064534>halfCan you count? Luckily there is exactly ONE card in magic with the name Eloise so its fine!
>>97065627as in its really strong?>>97065665did you change some cards later on?
>>97065171First version looked much much better. Don't let retards with terrible taste sway you anon.
>>97065106Capcom owns the Monster Hunter IP. Wizards isn't going to sell it without their approval - they're a bug enough target that it would be worth it for Capcom to sue them.
>>97065536>>97065567Again how does this relate to my post? Please use your thinking caps i think youve done some very poor word association and therefore think it adds up but it asbolutely does not.>poor people suck>OH YA? WELL THIS OTHER GROUP ISNT RICH HEHOkay...? Zoomers were a fucking mistake my word.
>>97065529>>97065691Anon, do you know how poor ghetto youth will waste money on triple-digit sneakers?This is the nerd version of that. Poorfags like to overcompensate their decks because they have no other real status symbols.
>>97065626Why would you ever want to go back to eldraine for anything? All the knights will look lame as fuck and they will have zero cool helmets.
>>97065691the subject was about using proxies vs real cardsyou are the dipshit that made it about being poor or not and clearly you can be poor and use expensive cards. You are tying to make a value judgment based on being poor but completely miss the fact that poor people waste money on stupid shit.
>>97065691Items appreciate over time
>>97065747The knights of eldraine are pretty weak tooIt's funny how wotc expected Syr Gwyn to be the face of Syrs but their rep turned out to be Syr Konrad
>>97065087Why does Bria have Prowess and then say "Other creatures you control have Prowess." whilst Narset just say "Creatures you control have Prowess."? My interpretation is that they wouldn't function differently?
>>97065810>syr
>>97064891run living weapons and make them your commander
Is there a single oracletag for living weapon type effects that includes>Living weapon>For Mirrodin>Job Select>AND all random ass Kaldheim etc equipment that autoequips on ETB
>>97065677Noted. Not sure yet, which one I'll have printed.
>TQ Dowsing Dagger, maybe the Greaves and Boots Equipments overall are clunky and suck shit, I prefer my creatures raw most of the time
>>97065867otag:living weaponIt'll catch the manifrst dread equipments, too
>>97065893I wish the manifest auras were equipment instead, or had some way of sticking around when the creature dies
>>97061477>So is everyone that plays this format just a giant joyless faggot?from what ive noticed at LGS, yes.play with friends.
>>97061477If you can't comprehend a kill on sight commander, you're a fag. You kill Azula because the Azula player can untap and probably win.You kill Narset because the Narset player can untap and probably win.You kill Niv-Mizzet because the Niv-Mizzet player can untap and probably win.
>>97065626I don't think we'd get art this cool again but I wouldn't mind another cycle of knights.
dumb question - if i earthbend equipment with toph does it gain it's own ability or do i still have to equip it giving me effectively shittier bestow?
All commanders should be Kill on sight
>>97061477Like most things it depends entirely on your play group. In the usual people I run into at locals people usually either go light on removal or try to focus combo pieces rather than the commander itself.
>>97065991If an equipment says "equipped creature" it only applies to a creature it is attached to
I want this in my command zone.
>>97065991Unfortunately it isn't like reconfigure. You pretty much need to think of it as "is the earthbended equipment equipped with itself?" since most equipment started they give effects when equiped.
>>97066002ok, wanted to make sure
>>97066005play pauper commander
Attractions, do you want them all on the same numbers or spread out?
>>97066045I prefer same numbers. Their effects are generally minor and it is when many go off at once that they become a problem
>>97066005I think Ghave may be your closest equivalent.
>>97066045Some different numbers means that something is basically guaranteed to go off every turn as opposed to putting it all on red
>>97066005Rule 0 I would play with you
>>97066081It also means people can safely ignore you because you never can get a critical mass of effects. Just getting a "scry 1" or "put a +1 counter on thing" each turn. Safely ignored.
>>97059938>TQi like this but everyone tells me its meme garbage
>>97066089Every attraction always opens on 6.
>>97066089Wrong because they all trigger on six
>>97065999>play my goreclaw deck>no one removes goreclaw, they dont consider it a threat>wtf whys he summoning big stuff early and cheating out free shit AAA HELP ME
>>97065999In theory yes, but in practice no. While every commander lends itself to a certain game plan it comes in degrees.
>>97065999Please do not stp my Razia I paid many manas for it
>>97066109Post list
>>97066137i cant i dont have it listed. its basically bracket 2 but power of a bracket 3.
>>97066130thats what you get for spending... 8 fucking mana jesus christat least she has half-decent keywords, but dies to a bolt
>>97066093This thing is neat. Tapping and growth on such a cheap cost is useful.
>>97066151No, you can tap her to make her not die to bolt
>>97066145>bracket 2 but power of a bracket 3.then one would reckon it's a 3 despite not having game changers
>>97066225Weird how that never works in reverse
>>97066093Kind of is. Most themes where youre equipping stuff wont have many weaker creatures, so realistically its 4 mana for a tap effect. In a more go wide equipment strategy it could definitely have some use but to get full usefulness out of it it requires your opponents to have creatures, stronger than your combat centric creatures.
>>97066234Yeah almost like you're not the smol bean and your deck doesn't actually need TOR.
>>97065991It does not, and on top of that cannot be equipped to anything (it disattaches itself on becoming a creature too).>301.5c An Equipment that’s also a creature can’t equip a creature unless that Equipment has reconfigure (see rule 702.151, “Reconfigure”). An Equipment that loses the subtype “Equipment” can’t equip a creature. An Equipment can’t equip itself. An Equipment that equips an illegal or nonexistent permanent becomes unattached from that permanent but remains on the battlefield. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.) An Equipment can’t equip more than one creature. If a spell or ability would cause an Equipment to equip more than one creature, the Equipment’s controller chooses which creature it equips.
>>97066234technically it does but most people can't swallow that their "bracket 3" is shit despite having gamechangers and is closer to actually being bracket 2
>>97066248Not very logical>it is possible for your deck to be too strong for bracket 2 despite being in bracket 2 rules but it is not possible for your deck to be too weak for 3 despite having a cyclonic riftOne way streets are lame. Which is why brackets are lame.
Can a goreclaw threaten to kill the whole table by turn 6 regularly? Ofc not. Therefore B2 power level.
>>97066259>My deck loses 99% of games but the 1% it draws busted card in its opening hand and wins off itYour argument is as stupid as asking why Black Lotus is banned.
>>97065816Bria is from a starter deck. It's done specifically so that the reminder text for Prowess is on its own line and easier to read at a glance.
Think im starting to realize that I don't actually like playing URx while still somehow being amicable to spellslinger but without focusing on the UR aspectwhich kinda sucks given how the actual playstyle is definietly UR
>>97065248He's fuckable.
>>97065816A card that searches your library for creatures with prowess will find bria but not narset
>>97066005
>>97066364kinda funny how he's weaker than that other uncommon
though i know its not tournament legal, i do want to create a slivdrazi deck to be the terror any game shop i walk into. any suggestions about which slivers/eldrazi to put in there.im going to have 3 of each color, two wastes and a sliver hive for lands. and i do know one sorcery i am going to put in there is all is dust but i also at least one thing that gives at least my sorceries flash. any help would be appreciated.
>>97066416It's just sliverslop with eldrazi top ends. Edhrec first sliver and replace the redundancies with whatever eldrazi you like.
>ship of thessius’s my deck from kefka ff tribal, to parnesse grixis spellslinger, to azula>rebuild the other 2>now have innala wizard tribal, azula, and parnesse insanoMan, I think grixis is the best color combo. But now I have my hearthull, carm, and toph deck to rebuild
>>97066373legend tax, gotta keep those edh players in line
>>97066334>>97066350Both make a lot of sense, thanks
Thots?
>>97066482why do ai sloptists insit of including writing in ANY form when it looks like soft turds?Are you both visually and mentally impaired?
>>97066482Rename him something like Golbez Seeker Of Fun.
>>97066514nice
>>97066498the sloppa demon giveth and the sloppa demon taketh
>>97066482>>97066580Tell the AI to draw in a certain style so that you can avoid the issue of the art having that AI stink that all generic AI art has.Just add>2d, traditional illustration, (artist:Johannes Vermeer), (by Johannes Vermeer)to your prompt and it should get you something that could pass for a Magic card, probably.
>>97064874WotC wants to maintain good business relationship with Capcom since that gaming company has quite lucrative IP portfolio. I am confident that Wizards really wants to make Universes Beyond products out of Resident Evil franchise.
>masterworks all, you can't go wrong
>>97066700I hope that's the case. It felt like Monster Hunter would have been a fitting crossover so seeing it done so poorly was a surprise. Though I'd have thought Street Fighter would have been the first pick. They've already done it once and doing it again but more fully felt reasonable.
>>97066435Weird, I hate grixis. Never worked out for me.Best color combo is Naya
>>97064496>>97064462
>>97066804Capcom has no legal recourse so this is retarded. All they can do is state they wouldn't allow a future collab. Also they had to approve this shit before WOTC showed it.
>>97066700So why did capcom ok a bunch of cards it knew would piss off its fans? We know the IP holder has to OK these cards and their art. It's not just "lol wotc does whatever"
>>97066878It looks like the running theory is that Capcom didn't know any better if the cards were shit or not but now seeing the intensely negative reaction the cards got online now knows and put pressure on Wizards.
>>97066872>all they can do is state they wouldn't allow a future collabAnd that's what WotC is avoiding at all cost now that Final Fantasy has proven that big japanese game franchises are huge sources of revenue and attracts many average consumer eyes.
>>97066781I wish I had ever found a Naya commander I liked. It's up there with Jund for "color combo I have never touched"
>>97066976>Haven't touched the two most fun color combos in the gameAnon, I ..
>>97066979>no fun commandersIt's unfortunate
>>97066994Are you serious You're like the opposite of me lol I don't think there's anything good or fun in grixis
>>97066998Meanwhile I have two grixis decks.I'm a blue fag, anon. If it's got blue then I am good.Also I kind of like Toph but already have a land deck. Rocco also looks fun but one of the guys in my pod runs Rocco as their primary deck.Jund genuinely has nothing that interests me though.
>>97067003Yeah I fucking hate blue lol. Imo blue is maybe the weakest color in commander right now, tied with black
>>97066804This is cope. Fact is there just isn't that many people who care about these issues. It feels like the whole community cares when you're in social media echo chambers where everyone shares the same opinions and you have view chasing ecelebs backing up your thoughts, but fact is if the majority of players hated WOTC and their practices WOTC would be feeling it and they would be course correcting. Yes, this extends to UB as well: most players don't care.Monster Hunter actually has a large and "passionate" (autistic) fanbase and just throwing out random nickname cards for their favorite creatures isn't good enough for them.
>>97066373He's far stronger. Are you actually retarded?
>>97067052yes
>>97066933>looks awkwardly at 3 final fantasy precons
I too an a member of both Capcom and Hasbro's board of directors and am a trademark lawyer.
post equipment that you wish could be your commander
>>97067012>Imo blue is maybe the weakest color in commander right now, tied with black
>>97066933>And that's what WotC is avoiding at all cost now that Final Fantasy has proven that big japanese game franchises are huge sources of revenue and attracts many average consumer eyes.anyone with a brain would've understood that asian ip > westoid ip for a long ass time now
>>97067123fuck it, Vehicles can be commanders now, this one has more right to be one than unmanned cards and ships
>>97066781>naya>green red whiteBro fuck off. White is the most boring color, and angels tribal is all they have. Green is boring too. Oh look I can make big creatures and ramp.
>>97067282>>97067282>>97067282New
>>97064567Capcom probably made them do it. They never cared about negative feedback before unless it’s irreversible damage.. but if it hurts future sales and if other IPs might not partner with them they’ll try again.
>>97066416Just use the sliver precon lady, she makes eldrazi count as slivers
