Don't worry they're still there edition>Previous Thread >>97045681>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/>Thread question:Got any up and coming hobby projects?
>>97066923>>97066887which Legion should get an antigrav dreadnought like a floating head with guns on
>>97067348> Fall of the Magma CityAbsolutely KINO
>>97067348>>Thread question:Sallies, IH and Dark Mech need to get painted asap and really keen on finishing my WS.
what i hate about the new skitarii is that since they are tall if i use the 40k ones or the secutarii, i would be a WAACfag for using smaller models
>>97067962Put them on a rock
>>97067962Yes, that's the point
>>97067962Use 40k skitarri as militia and 40k ruststalkers/sicarans as 30k skitari proxies
>>97067348>Got any up and coming hobby projects?Prime some more dudesPaint some more dudesPuild some more dude
>>97067348>Got any up and coming hobby projects?Too many. Now that you no longer have like five units that are viable fuck 2.0 there's tons of models that used to be long-term projects that I now want to finish sooner.
Painted these in a jiffy. A titan striding around with a bunch of ICBMs on the shoulders is cool.
I wonder how many centimeters/inches do you need to sexually satisfy a 3-4 meter tall woman. And I'm sure someone here already calculated it.
>TQGotta finish my Emperor's Children and World Eaters. Then I gotta look into starting a Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus army and/or a Death Guard army.Yes, Istvaan III was peak. Why do you ask?
Gotta do a BS9 vigilator, a praetorian jump squad with disintegrators, a veteran assault squad with a a master sergeant. Gotta paint all that too.
>>97068388Every man was born with two arms, the knowledge on how to use them is something that must be earned
>>97067348>TotTFiguring out what to do with some cata termies when they arrive.
>>97068426>BS9 vigilatorBS7 Vigilators were a mistake. Start out at BS6 like a decent person
Terminators have doubled their Wounds and Phosphex has halved their AP2 against them. Same goes for plasma. Do not settle for leftovers.
>>97067348So, you're telling me the only way to deepstrike a Saturnine Centurion is to attach him to a 260 pts praetor, who costs as much as a Land Raider, mind you?
>>97068540There's a reason no one responds to your LFG posts Andy
>>97068540oh we still doing the phosphex whinge even after being totally debunked last thread by multiple game having people since 1.0. Fuck off you little bitch, post models or games
>>97068426I admire your tenacity and work load you can still deal with my mentor. I kneel in respect.
>>97068540Fucking hell anon, are you having your period or something, you whine like a woman.
>>97068779I'm not the one from 10 hours ago. Phosphex complaining always ends up derailing into "well 1.0 was bad because people could spam too many high AP high Str templates".So what if they came back? Think of a Str 100 AP0 small blast. It's a small blast, so it hits 3 models tops. A fucking Hundred of Str... but instant death is gone, so it does 1W, and Penetrating hits don't cause statuses, so at D1 it would be actually bad antitank.My point is people are too scared of high AP. So scared, plasma is literally inviable. Access to Disintegrators would be too problematic if they weren't AP3.Phosphex' panic 3 does make it very useful, maybe more so than before. I guess people didn't like it also leaving behind swathes of dangerous terrain, which was also a thing that was lost in the simplification, RIP bookkeeping.But high AP guns being AP3 Rending X helps only helps terminators, and those terminators have a 4++ on their now T5 2W. They can take it, better than ever before. And there's Saturnines now.
>>97068577>the only way to deepstrike a Saturnine Centurion is to attach him to a 260 pts praetorFuck your Saturnine Centurion lmao
>>97068897A lot of games around here devolved in to people spaming tarantulas and between 6 to 12 rapiers with quad guns with carnisters. those games are very unfun.
>>97068897>No more Stubborn or Fearless exists>Panic 3>3D6 pick highest when playing against AL abusing effrit>Terminators can't have Nuncio voxThose terminators might was well be dead with how much they'll spend the game running away.>Muh T5>Muh SaturninesNigger did you already forget phosphex has always had Poison 3+? Toughness means literally nothing you clown.>All plasma is unviable!>All disintegrators are AP 3!Yeah, you don't play the game. You haven't even read the rules yourself, all you do is regurgitate opinions from other nogames.
>>97069048not that anon, but disintegrators? those things kill your squad at a rate only slightly lower then the opposing squad, if they are in power armour. In terminator armour, when they actualy can save vs desintegrators the shoting squads don't really do much. And they cost a lot of points, you can buy a unit of HSS with auto canons and get a better kill rate vs terminators. And if you made plasma work somehow, then I envy you. All I know from the few games I had is that, basic support squads with plasma and combi plasma are very expensive and very random, and interemptors are that, but more expensive, shorter range and at some point I thought I would like to just run them with bolters and phosphex, but A they don't have such an option and B for some reason GW decided that an interemptor with 5A should drop to 1A and still cost a lot of points somehow.
>>97069079There exist more disintegrator weapons than disingegrator rifles. And shooting at terminators with disintegrator rifles is the dumbest thing you could do, that's like trying to kill AV 14 with autocannons. Each weapon has a distinct niche this edition, there aren't many weapons that are oppressively anti-everything like in previous editions.Combi-plasma is probably the only genuinely bad plasma weapon. Plasma gun tss is very cheap, and has very competitive damage output against a wide range of targets. A lot of bigger plasma weapons are still blasts, and now have damage 2 - meaning where they only did 1 wound to 2 wound terminators in previous editions, they now outright kill them. But if you genuinely can't figure out how to use DA interemptors it's a disgusting unit then trying to explain to you what makes most plasma weapons good is probably a waste of time.
>>97069048>Those terminators might was well be dead with how much they'll spend the game running away.I don't want terminators to "effectively being dead". I want them dead. Why is it bad to have things die when shot by the right gun?>Muh poisonIt's not the poison, it's the T5 making them resistant to literally every other gun ever. Disintegrators wounding terminators on a fucking 5+? And then needing to roll a 1 for that wound to go through? It's literally twice as easy to kill yourself (1/12) than to kill a terminator (1/27).But sure pal. The numbers are false, and disintegrators and plasma are fine because Phosphex happens to scare people away. Plasma is NOT for killing MEQ. It should be for killing TEQ. It sucks at that now, and it shouldn't.
>>97069111If you made it clear you are specifically talking about disintegrator rifles and plasma guns, you might have had a point. But making sweeping statements about a weapon class which are patently untrue makes you look like a whiny little retard.
>>97069109But all the plasma with templates is mounted on tanks, even heavy plasma on HSS only have small templates. But then again I don't need tech for all plasma weapons of all space marines. I just want to know how to use a single unit, that cost me over 200$ with import tax. Because I have not yet seen it reach flamer range in 3.0. And they no longer have land raiders as a transport option build in.
>>97069117what other options are there for space marine armies. Combi plasma are shit. Heavy plasma cost too much and still do little damage to terminators, unless someone clumps up a unit of 10 for some reason.
>Anons still jumping through hoops trying to make disintegrators and plasma workMust suck, I assume
>>97069125Fucking hell, people really can't figure out anything themselves any more these days huh.Putting interemptors in a land raider is retarded, they have never been a decent melee unit and it's just way too many points.Now that units can disembark after a transport moved at full speed, a Rhino is more than enough. 12'" movement of the Rhino, 7" plus roughly 1" due to base size you did properly read the disembarking rules, right? and roughly 6" for optimal flamer distance is a 26" threat range. Hide the rhino behind terrain or a bigger tank turn 1, then 1st turn move forward and melt the closest infantry unit. If that threat range isn't enough, just take a drop pod. Intercept happens before a unit disembarks, so at worst the drop pod dies but the interemptors can't take any damage before they get to shoot. Deep strike has no scatter too, so they can land anywhere you need with pin point accuracy. I mean come on, just look at the fucking unit options anon, it is not that hard. I seriously hope you haven't been trying to foot slog interemptors into flamer range, nobody can be that retarded.
>>97069148>Putting a castraferrum with two gravis plasma cannons in your list and watching it rape any and all types of infantry is "jumping through hoops" nowLmao.
>>97069132>what other options are there for space marine armiesOh so you actually have not read any of the rule. Top kek.
>>97069079Any kind of breaching or high-powered flamer unit is very good this edition, the Interemptors can absolutely rinse stuff.Best used either in a nice durable transport or deep striking with a Warmonger - since templates autohit they don't care if they're suppressed on the deep strike, and since your opponent can't movement react away from the Deep Strike you can line up a really good template shot and annihilate almost any infantry unit with massed plasma flamer hits. In a transport they're more vulnerable, but you can fling them a long way forward before disembarking to shoot as long as you can ensure your opponent can't fully reposition away from the disembark.A good trick when running squads of killy, fragile models in transports is to disembark them next to the door and then movement react them back into their box when the enemy tries to close with them. Bonus points if you can LOS-block the enemy shooty units behind the rhino while you're doing it, or force hard choices where the enemy can't move one of their important units near where it needs to go without giving your kill squad the chance to hop back into a vehicle before they have a chance to fire at them.>>97069171Interemptors are expensive enough that I could see a squad in an Land Raider Explorator getting some work done by using movement react to stay behind AV14 as much as possible. If they were durable like Pyroclasts or cheap like alchem-flamer DG TSS I'd say just use a rhino, but there is some merit to giving the squishy plasma flamer guys a really tanky box to hide in.I've steadily been uprating elite flamer units the more games I've seen - Phraetus do nearly as much damage with the deepstriking AP3 flamers as they do with their fists, DG TSS are terrors for how much they cost and Pyroclasts are extremely versatile.
>>97069171how do you get the rhino alive through the wall of tarantulas? Do you guys play with secret transport content? Thank you for the advice by the way. I hope someon will allow me to proxy a drop pod.
>>97069179It literally is jumping through hoops. Use the supercharged profile, rely on Breaching and 2D to do... 20% more damage than you would if it was AP2 D1? Aight. Jumping through hoops does work - doesn't make it not jumping through hoops.>Safe profile good at killing SA hordes>Supercharged profile good at killing VEQ & TEQSo what is it, plasma is bad because it was good vs everything, or plasma is good because it's good vs everything? Make it AP2 and it still wouldn't do much against vehicles...except Gravis Plasma is S8 D2 if it doesn't move, the same as krak missiles.Plasma lost AP2 for this? Yikes
>>97069268right now where I play the problem with transports and deep striking is that most of the armies spam tarantuals and spread squads to not leave space for a drop pod or transport to go down. Land raiders die to mass shoting in their movment phase and then what was inside gets hit by multiple quad launcher firing phosphex carnisters. But again I don't claim being a good player, am not not even a regular player. I am just a noob. And maybe in a world where people land in places with thunder hawks or similar stuff it is different. Here most armies are infantry, more infantry and even more infantry. And the rest is rapiers and tarantulas, mostly because the recasters around here are producing them en mass and those that get damaged or get returned we get to buy for cheaper.
>>97069278I am not sure if this is the case all around the world. but my community which is or was around 40 people had exactly 4 non marine players. and two of those were a custodes players and a custodes player, who happend to have converted a lot of SoS using SoB models. The other 2 dudes had a mechanicus armies, which were mostly w40k armies. "good vs humans" is a bit like "powerful vs bike mounted armies".
>>97069278NTA, but the idea that for something to be 'good' means it must defeat all defenses brainlessly is tournyfaggotry.You are talking about a d6 wargame. Weight of fire > all other choices, because there isn't enough granularity in the math for anything else to matter.
I know it's bad form to bitch about a dead game like Titanicus but it was really retarded to give all Knights the Agile rule, making them completely ignore terrain. including, and I quote >large areas of rubble or debris, ruined buildings, areas of forest>Roaring rivers, pools of magma or fields of thermal mineswhy can a knight safely walk through magma that a titan can't? It also is just another aspect of Knights ignoring vast chunks of the game like reactor management, facing, turns, etc. they've always been essentially cruise missiles or suicide bombers in AT18
>>97068305Kino
>>97069376Don't forget acastus being the strongest and most effective unit in the game!
>>97069386and because of the terminal system they can't change the stats of units so they had to double it's cost and make it basically 1 unit per army
>>97069277Only one tarantula can fire at the unit that moves. Read the rules again and make your shithead opponents behave.
>Opens thread1.0 is the best edition of Heresy because it was Bligh's Magnum Opus. It has the best legion and army rules, it had the most flavour for army building, and the game fostered a true sense of gentlemanly conduct which stopped the game from descending into WAACfaggotry. If you played games of 1.0 at tourneys or with WAACfags, that was your fault for allowing that sort of thing to go on.>Closes thread
>>97069429no. friend all of them can fire.
>>97069431>and the game fostered a true sense of gentlemanly conduct which stopped the game from descending into WAACfaggotry. If you played games of 1.0 at tourneys or with WAACfags, that was your fault for allowing that sort of thing to go on.Simple optimisation to the best way of playing is somehow equal to playing tournaments. Are you one of those people that when they play sports they demand that allows don't follow rules or that others follow your arbitrary, and not writen down, set of rules. Gentelemanly conduct my ass? you mean going to whore houses, spending money on gambling and ordering the shoting of working class members of the society?Fuck off. 1st ed rule set was crazy, because it more or less boiled down to playing 2-3 legions/armies, and spaming phosphex which ment more or less , get first turn=win. 2ed had its huge, some of them them serious, but at least the numbers of ways to play was bigger and the army builds were different.
>>97069431>Bligh's Magnum Opus was a horrifically unbalanced mess that you had to actively try to not accidentally break in halfEmbarrassing, no wonder they took creative control away from him before he died
>>97067434Iron hands, how is it even a question
>>97068426>BS9 vigilatorWait, how? I only know about how to do that in AaF+BoJ blackshields.
>>97069431Thank you for speaking the gospel, king.
>>97069491Go read Automated Fire Advanced Reaction again. Particularly pay attention to process 2.
>>97069290Dear lord, how many rapiers are they running to pop Land Raiders and still have a huge pile of phosphex left? That seems generally difficult, especially if your raider pops smoke.Both rapiers and tarantulas are extremely squishy, so at the very least it should be possible to clear enough space to drop a squad of interemptors in with a Warmonger rather than bothering with a transport, since deep strike, unlike disembark, is not a move and does not trigger Reposition or Automated Fire. Killing waves of infantry is not that difficult with a lot of units, although sadly my preferred tactic of 27 S6 W3 Ursarax kind of falters in the face of mass phosphex and D3 laser destroyers so you need to clear the rapiers out first.Tarantula spam for move-blocking is kind of cheesy but it really does depend how many of them there are and whether you allow them all to react on the same target at once, which IMO they cannot.
>>97069704>Trigger: The Reactive Player may declare theAutomated Fire Advanced Reaction in Step 2 of theMove Sub-Phase process if an enemy Unit ends a move within 48" of a Unit under the React ive Player's Controlthat only includes Models with the Automated Fire Protocols Special Rule.So my opponent tanks move. My time to react with a unit twith Fire protocol Special rule. I start the mini shoting phase. The shoting ends, if the vehicle is still on the board my reaction window is still open, so if another model with Fire Protocol is in LoS and in range, I can react again. And I can do so till the vehicle gets destroyed or I decide I don't want to react no more. All Polish events play it that way.
>>97069789Right. You're illiterate. Why didn't you open with that.
>>9706977810 twin lascanon ones cost only 650pts and you are infiltrating them, so you block out all objectives outside of your deployment zone. Even if they do not destroy the raider, each one of them is a separate vehicle, which you have to target separatly, have to destroy in melee, you can't just phase through them. having 10 of those and 8-12 quad launchers then some tacticals for scoring, often AL inducti that are weaker in Line stat then tacticals, but don't get blown off the table turn 1. Not sure what an Ursarax is. If it is a mechanicus or Solar vehicle, then I must say we have zero expiriance with those here, as neither of those armies are popular or in fact played at all.
>>97069431Zoomer gonks in this thread will likely disagree, but what you say is so true.No one spammed AP2/3 pieplates in my meta. We played with fully painted armies, using 1.0 as a framework for diorama-like matches throughout the year, followed by a big 5 vs. 5 player team brawl at the end of the year.We played with and among friends and took care that the player we played against had fun as well.It was fucking glorious for a decade.
>>97069809That sounds like a real pain to deal with, but also incredibly rigid, since basically nothing in the army other than the Inductii can move and even the lascannon batteries only have 2 shots on each unit that moves, so an AV14 vehicle can basically cruise around with impunity and even AV13 is probably fine. This is only scary outside being annoying blockers if you rule that they can all react-fire on a single unit simultaneously, which is a terrible reading of that reaction and you should just not play it that way, although they are very annoying blockers so it probably pays to find a unit that can efficiently clear them out. Deep striking shooty squads or air support flyers should trade for at least one unit of quadmortars each, that's only 3 3+ W2 models, and rapiers hate to take fire from enemy barrage weapons because all the hits on the crewmen get assigned to the mortars and blow them up.Have people started equipping their generic squads and vehicles to kill tarantulas easily yet? Any marine squad with krak grenades rinses one in melee, so you just want as many convenient sources of D2 mid-high strength shooting everywhere as possible. Multimelta rhinos, combimelta sarges, sponsons on tanks, etc. Also your own Infiltrators, which you can string out to deny the enemy tarantulas the ability to form a nice wall if you deploy first.An Ursarax is a Mechanicum jump pack cyborg with lightning claws, very efficient for infantry mass murder but they hate phosphex.Having only marine infantry armies probably doesn't help here - Solar Auxilia or Militia can deploy tons of cheap and effective tanks and artillery pieces to counterbattery the phosphex and roll through the tarantulas, Daemons are all malefic so they can casually shrug off Panic (3) and aren't that susceptible to lascannon.
>>97069789>all polacks are actually retarded
>>97069987Cops stop a car with two polacks in it and say "we're looking for two car thieves". Polacks look at each other, then at the cops, nod and say "we'll do it".
>>97069552>Iron Headsweird choice but OK
>>97067434the MODOK pattern dreadnought ?
>>97069809Have you considered just dropping a Brass Scorpion on the table? 600pts, can move through tarantulas, takes maybe a third of its health in damage from 20 lascannon firing at it, can be easily repaired by any nearby Battlesmith model and is effectively immune to phosphex. It can't split fire, but it will happily eat its way up the board and ignore anything the composition you described tries to do in return while your basic squads clear out the paper tarantulas. Basic barrage artillery can effectively autokill any tarantulas they hit with S10 D2 large blasts, so if you really want to optimise for clearing this out you can ally 4 Militia heavy ordnance teams and a cheap commissar for 390pts. They sit in the back miles out of range of phosphex and drop S8-10 D2-3 large blasts on tarantulas or quad mortars. The S8 ones are slightly less reliable kills on tarantulas but more accurate for smashing quads.
>>97068388let it go; you're not going anywhere with whatever you have between the legsbut on that scale; you ain't missing the clit (bigger than yours too)
>>97070140Anon doesn't even need that, they're infil 9 so a single infiltrating squad automatically prevents all the blockers if it deploys first just by stringing itself across the midfield. Autoloses 50% of the time to 10 seekers.
>>97069598BS7 base, Paragon of Battle, and AaF bonus for +2 to the BS.
>>97070421>AaF bonus for +2 to the BS.the what now ? there's so much acronyms my tiny brain can retain
>>97070471that sounds like a personal problem
>>97070497sack of shit
>>97070497>>97070507ATF; ATM; CIA; FBI; CAF;DMV...and it's not even getting into specifics like FnP;EW;IwnD and co
>>97070471Alone and Forgotten
>>97070688thanks
>>97070157I assure you, my clit is massive.
>>97070712i bet; but in a femprimarch situation; your hands and/or arm(s) are more suitable
>>97067348>Got any up and coming hobby projects?Painting my army so its less "greytide" and more "bluetide" next time I play.
>>97070421>and AaF bonus for +2 to the BS.Isnt AaF just +1 to two stats of your choice out of the list?
>>97070805so it was a polack's interpretation all along; go figure
>>97070823I dont know about that.. Its possible they just misread the rule. Or maybe im missunderstanding what they mean and its +2 between the +1 from paragon and the +1 from AaF.
>>97070876shame on the brits for not knowing better after years of fish of fury and other nonsense; shame on the polacks for taking advantage
>>97070876He was wrong about +2 AAF but also his math was wrong so it comes up the sand to BS9. Funnily, blackshields can make the only BS10 model in the game currently, by taking Alone and Forgotten + the Flezh is Weak to turn this BS9 vigilator into an Automata that can get a +1 BS buff from a cybertheurgy, over-charged reactors
Do you think a siege breaker packing 2 squads of 3 laser destroyer rapiers and 2 vindicators is enough anti tank? Thinking of bringing them as a cheeky allied detachment for my mechanicum
Wait, there's no more melee Veterans on foot? It's gotta be either Jump Packs or Boarding shields? What did you do with the regular 2.0 Vets you had already built, anons?
>>97071050Use them as a command squad I guess. But yea, its definetly a really weird omission.
>>97071041Probably. Although it really depends on what you expect to face.A spartan, Two kratos and then four predators + a load of rhinos? Yea, you might actually need some more actually. A land raider or two? Should be fine. The thing with rapiers is that theyre made of paper and outranged by lascannons. So you need to have enough of them to avoid being alpha-struck out of any AT, and you need to have ways to force reactions before they shoot to not die to return fire.
>>97070788I am working towards finishing my Militia army before December 28, where all will be on the table for a a large apocalyse-type team battle.
>>97067348>>97070788Failed to tag the OP.Sorry anon.
>>97070194Just deploy first. Skill issue :^)>>97069964In rts games I would park outside the range of the defenses and destroy them one by one. I suppose one can do that not with rang, but with Barrage weapons?
>>97071109>>97071095No worries, love the militia. Ogryn remind me of tarkus from dark souls.
>>97069809>10 twin lascanon ones cost only 650ptsThats only 20 lascannon shots, and unless youre playing on planet bowling ball its a lot less on any given target. Theyre not going to be taking out land raiders well with that.
>>97071149Thanks anon!If only they could still don carapace armour.
>>97068305well actually they would be MRBMs or SRBMs if you consider their application on the tabletop
>>97070139That's him! That's the one! Do you know him?
I planned on finishing my militia army before they years end, but now I'll be moving to the middle of nowhere and it will take a while for me to get my stuff sent to me. Hopefully they see the table in 4th I guess.
>>97071050Those are called Centurion Command Squad now. That unit has the exact same options and stats as veterans on foot always had.
>>97071377Those are beautiful and I wish I could print some for an army I am building. Great work, Anon!
>>97072176>. That unit has the exact same options and stats as veterans on foot always had.Except bolter + pistol + melee weapon
>>97072766Well yeah, but there's no reason to want all that any more now that pistols don't give +1 attack. And if you want a combi-weapon unit veteran tacticals are way better for that, those have BS 5
>>97072892What's Weird Al doing in power armor
>>97072908Searching for his Amish paradise.
Oh, I wish Tactical Inductii retained Fury of the Legion. They gain some sidegrade rule at the cost of going from Line 2 to Line 1. That's fine. Then they lose their Sergeant and get worse stats, and they become 10 pts cheaper. Okay.Then they lose Fury of the Legion. Aww.
>>97072957But Fury of the Legion has no effect on Volkite Chargers? I don't see the point.
>>97071111A 50% chance of ruining their entire game plan just for taking a squad of infiltrators you can get use out of anyway isn't bad, I would try to have one in your list just in case.As for barrage, yeah, any kind of high strength template does a number on tarantulas (because it oneshots them with no saves) and quad mortars (because it hits all the crew, then stacks all those saves on the guns themselves and destroys them). Conversion beamer predators and Inversion Beamer sat dreads can do something similar, but the pile of 85pt militia ordnance teams are a very efficient way to do it and Barrage is nice for hitting sneaky quad mortars out of line of sight.
>>97068897do you not play games? there is MANY ways to kill terminators in 1 hit and a bunch with templates like demo cannons and the like. All your aguments seem to revolve around man portable weapons or rapiers and as such completely out of touch with the last 2 editions of actual lists and gameplay people use. Must suck being a whingy no games, sorry for you loss anon.
>>97072957>he doesn't know
>>97069125>>I just want to know how to use a single unit, that cost me over 200$ with import taxmust be terrible to be this fucking retarded in the age of 3dprinting and recasting since 2014ish. You cut your own throat and then whine about it, lol, lmao even.
>>97069277spends $200 + import tax for a single unit then wants to proxy a cheap ass drop pod, you sir are a fucking idiot and bad at life.
>>97067962Yeah I would have rather had them as skitarii reworks though I think those stilt legs would look good on some kind of other skitarii type unit.
>>97071095look at the absolute chad army and massive balls this anon has. Blessed be your dice king.
Speaking of militia, fire support team with 3 mortars or 3 autocannons?
>>97072997>You should rely on carriage-mounted weaponsAfraid of small arms being relevant?
>>97073350pollack savage can't think outsde of the box and argues in circle, news at 11
>>97073262Autocannons look cooler.
>>97072999I think them being the sole retainers of Fury is what makes them king among Inductii. I also think me wishing for inductii to keep Fury must surely be a mistake. Like I'm asking the Pear tree for apples. I guess Inductii are marines, but not necessarily Tacticals any longer.Except DG ones lmao
>>97073350>Afraid of small arms being relevant?They are.>But they don't one shot terminator!Then they wouldn't be small arms.
>>97073377Idk, TS inductii with a telekinesis + divination + corvidae libby are a pain in the ass
>>97073367"Polishness happens to be a powerful argument against AP2 small arms, as you cleverly argue. I must rescind my statement!" If you must talk me down, talk the idea down, not my origin or lack of tabletop experience.I am an ignorant, to be sure. It is why I'm here saying this shit. It is not your obligation to school others. But pointing fingers and saying nothing doesn't do anything either. Doesn't deterr me from autistically responding time and again, for starters.But you are in your right to keep at it, and so am I. All I'm missing is the urban vista on my commute, after all.>>97073388>>But they don't one shot terminator!My argument is that full AP2 plasma still wouldn't one-shot a 2W 4++ terminator, anon. It is overly fatalistic to think it would end them.Even AP2 D2 Disintegrators wouldn't be the end of terminators, as their Str 4 would wound them only 1/3 of the time.>But what about MEQ?Cover. It's right there. Cover is for the weak until they pull out them plasma guns, or at least it used to be.
>>97073413Yeah I think they finally did Inductii right? Them no longer eclipsing actual Tacticals seems fine to me, at least
On the subject of Inductii, I wish rotor cannons weren't such dogshit. DG inductii are so painfully mid.
>>97073505I love rotor cannons. Theyre great.
>>97073441You have shit up this thread for months and months now, every time you post we are all poorer for it. Fuck all the way off, one can only hope the Ukraine proxy war finally engulfs you as well in glorious drone and missle strikes negating your obesession with small arms.
>>97073505>All this whining, crying and shitting yourself over inductii People are aware inductii are tenmu marines that sometimes didn't even get all the implants, right? If inductii would be better than tacticals or despoilers, or even on the same level as a matter of fact, they wouldn't be proper inductii.
>>97073441End of story, Plasma should be AP4 base, breach 5+Over charged AP 3 base, and breaching 5+D guns(Which should not fucking exist)Base AP3 D2 overload 2Plasma should be the peak MEQ killing weapon, D guns (again shoudl not exist) should be the Vet killing weapons, and a chance to deal with terminators. Melta guns should be the answer to termiantors.
>>97073568It's okay to be wrong sometimes anon. Don't make a habit of it.
>>97073530Anon, we're not the same guy, whoever you're referring to (the pole?) and I, I promise. Our shitty opinions just happen to overlap somewhat, is all.>>97073568Remind me why Plasma should kill MEQ instead of TEQ. I mean, so did meltaguns kill termies in 7E but plasma was there also, doing twice as many shots. I got used to a thing that is no longer there, and now I've got to get used to this new state of affairs.
Which primarch is most likely to have an MBA?
>>97073568This is not reality 3.0 or even 2,0 for the grogs we exist in, its time to move on anon, let go and be a better person.
>>97073723I would if they did not gimp plasma purely for sticking D guns into the game, which again, never should have been added into the game becuase no one needed d guns.
>>97073726>This hyper-fixated on a minor issue and the delusions he conjured up around itThis is 100% a case of mental illness.
>>97073814Oh im not that other guy, i can deal with it, i still think its fucking stupid. Both those things can be true
>>97073838Well, you're fucking stupid for thinking disintegrator weapons being introduced has anything to do with the current state of plasma weapons. Plasma got nerfed with the introduction of 2.0 when disintegrator weapons were almost non-existent, heck there weren't even official bits for them.>B-but plasma went from breaching 5+ to 4+ in 3.0!ALL ranged weapons got nerfed in 3.0. Except for a few weapons that were complete trash in the previous edition. Or are you seriously brain damaged enough to believe that all ranged weapons got nerfed just to make disintegrator weapons more appealing?
>>97073523They're just so underwhelming for the points. Slightly worse bolter stats for plus 1 dice and a status that's not that's pretty mid.>>97073555Not a bad point, but counter point: You should be able to do more customizing with tacticals and despoilers for your legion. Inductii having the flavor instead is pretty lame.
>>97073863>Well, you're fucking stupid for thinking disintegrator weapons being introduced has anything to do with the current state of plasma weapons.nigger it 100% does though lol. There was litearlly no reason to nerf plasma to breaching 5+ they did they becuase if it was 4+ for the point cost no one would have taken D guns.Other weapons changed because they changed rules around them, but Plasma guns straight up got a nerf. Plasma in lore should if over charged be able to consistently punch into SV3 and a chance to wound SV 2.
>>97073863>all ranged weapons got nerfed just to make disintegrator weapons more appealing?this is probably true knowing James since now you would presumably need new models with the new weapons
>>97073887Hard disagree. Tacticals and despoilers are the most vanilla units a legion can have, not to mention that the legions were more homogenised during the HH. Some legions even shared recruitment centres. This isn't 40k, where every single unit needs to be a special snowflake.
>>97073898It kinda is, the one that took the brunt of the hit was plasma weapons for no real reason. There was nothing wrong with the Breaching 4+ plasma gun it worked fine, since no one was out there spamming mass fucking plasma squads in 2.0. played for a full 3 years and i dont think i ever once saw a TSS plasma squad, plasma canon, or even any thing plasma. It was not that strong, they just gimped it to try and prop up D guns. which fucking blow anyways lol.
>>97073897>>97073898Nevermind, you really are that retarded. I'm not gonna argue with people too stupid to see the lack of internal logic in their own arguments. Have a nice day, and try not to choke to death trying to swallow your own tongue.
>>97073887>Slightly worse bolter stats for plus 1 diceYou dont take them for the damage (didnt do it last ed either), its for that status check. Its a 5pts weapon you can sprinkle around to just force more checks, and those checks are just a good thing to have. Denies scoring, gives +1WS in melee, just generally good shit.
>>97073723A word bearer wouldn't say that. Don't they have 200k marines?
>>97073897take your meds
>>97073568Plasma gun should be str7 AP2 all the time.
>>97073992Such a fun would kill tactical marines (outside of cover), how dare you suggest something so overpowered and irresponsible. Only John French is allowed that [restricts teleportation to 4 legions]
>>97074070John already made termies 2W so plasma wouldn't kill them.
First three members of the command squad. I built one without any cutting to repose and without fancy bits to be a normal looking dude. For the novelty.
>>97074180we really did peak with BaC
>>97074234The plastic mkIV and the first plastic mkIII both suffer from a lack of outstretched arms that was never really corrected so you had to mix 40k arms. Otherwise the kits are perfect.The new kits also have this problem but slightly differently.
>>97073568Plasmaguns are among the most efficient things for killing MEQ at this very moment and are even more point efficient now than they were in the last 2 editions
>>97074095That's still too frail. Thank God for Saturnines :^)
>>97073992>bolt pistols should be critical hits (2+) all the time
If you unironically think there's a problem with the reduction of weapons that invalidate space marine armor in the space marine game you need to go back to 40k (any edition after 4th) so you can remember what you're "missing"
>>97074276There should be no such thing as critical hits :).
Is it me or is the knight porphyron a much stronger tank killer than the big marine tanks? Compare the falchion (two shots, no invuln) to that thing (which has twice the shots, more HP and an invuln)
>>97074359No shit?
>>97074361Why would it be "No shit", theyre comparable in cost and have the same slot.
>>97074273That reminds me, I should really finish building that multi-melta hss
>>97074180Good job
>>97074392Thank you
>>97069376>>97069386They were always meant to be support units to push titans out of positions under the ignorant assumption of the designer that Questoris is the only knight in the game and they will never be a separate army.Even the Questoris had to be shafted with the Avenger Gatling being weaker than vulcan even though they're the same caliber. And the Gatling was given 20" range for some reason, even though the actual range should have been 12".
Is the quad battery good? For 125 points it's a lot of shots. It's not very tough but with 5HP and a 5++ it could probably take a bit more than you expect it to. I want to do the Master of Signals tower defense because it would be funny but I also want it to work out.
>>97074922I'm bringing one purely for the 5++ invulnerable save bubble for nearby units. Any damage it does is a bonus.
>>97074996>Discord
>>97069148>Accepting and coping with shit rulesYou would eat poop if the GW rules said so, paypig.
>>97073505They are for bubble wrapping chem flamers.
>>97074234BoP was good too. >>97074251What do you mean outstretched arms? Can you post a pic?
>>97074996Nice try discord troon
Had a super fun game, DA vs NL. 2:1 for NL. Even if here lots of mud was thrown on 2.0 I find it rrally fun and decently balanced. At least the factions that we are playing: NL, DA, AL, UM, IW.
>>97075185B@C was better. BoP included cuckstodes and SoS that most people didn't want.
The absoulte star was the raptor sergeant that made the most NL move there is, he ran away and hide.
But the sicaran would not leave him be.... Haha. In the end the Raptors survived, but was pinned and couldn't take the objective. There was lots of lols
Last photo, the LR was running away from the Dread the whole game, in the last turn the marines charged him.
>>97075201I agree completely but I like the plastic mkIII so much with the plastic thunderhammers. You could sell off the goldens and sisters.
>>97073026My shirts are very proudful. >>97073040it took me 14 months to buy the whole unit in 4 batches of 5. I can't split a drop pod in half and waiting 6 months to buy one does not sound fun. >>97073026anon I was not going to pay western rates for recast models. Plus DA aren't popular/ordered here often. in 2ed only the Cenobiums were sold in my area. And I got them 15 with swords and 15 with hammers.
>>97075409>whole unit>4 batches of 5>During 2.0 max interemptor squad size was 15>It is 10 nowThe sheer level of polish retardation never ceases to surprise me. It is a fucking miracle that eastern europe countries function as much as they do.>A recast drop pod costs around 30-40 dollarsHow poor are you exactly? Because this sounds like homeless levels of poverty.
>>97075440yes I had to buy 20, because the pack came with 1 heavy dude each 5, which I only noticed after buying the initial 5. So in order to have 15, and not 12 I had to buy 4 packs of 5. >How poor are you exactly? Because this sounds like homeless levels of poverty.I make 620$ a month. but rent, food and costs of living leave me , assuming no extra spending is needed on medication/shoes/clothes/etc around 10-15$ hobby budget per month. Which isn't a problem when a tac marine costs around 30 cents and a cenobium is around 1$. But again, no recatster around me sold interemptors. One I almost bought primaris interceptors and the guy got angry, because I didn't want to pay for 20 models I would not use in HH. I guess at the time plasma armd interceptors were a thing used by marine players in w40k.
>>97075452But the interemptor kit comes with the parts to build 5 regular interemptors, the one heavy weapon is optional. Not that you would want to pass up on the heavy plasma flamer variant, because it was and still is superior to the regular variants. This only keeps getting worse.
>>97075460my first didn't they did come with melee option for the sgt. Which I found wierd. which is better then a friend of my who ordered slayer. got another SW kit. asked them why they did it. they sent him the wrong kit again. And when he asked them why they sent the wrong kit again, they said that the parts he ordered were no longer sold.
>>97073262Speaking from experience, mortars are just filler. Autocannons are king. Consider them on sentinels or weapon teams.
>>97068388>pedo artist
>>97074260literally not true. Plasma is currently entirely useless outside the gimmick cases which don't use normal plasma rules (such as corvid making it AP2 constantly). Breaching6+ is trash and needing to overload to only breaching5+ to even scratch a basic tactical marine is nowhere near good enough, it means the extra 1-in-6 breaching chance gets matched by 1-in-6 chance to overload and shoot your own squad with breaching5+.It suffers the same problem as disintegrators - with the massive self-damage paired with a high points cost making them less combat effective than a squad of basic tactical bolters which will literally outshoot them due to having twice the wounds and 60 shots per turn.Kraken bolters have breaching4+ (3x more efficient than plasma) with zero self-damage and 30" range instead of 24". It's not even close between the two.
>>97075667>More expensive option is betterYou don't say.
>>97075701wait. kraken bolters are more expensive then plasma guns/combi plasma? I did not know that.
>>97075218anon these are lovely, well done getitng in games
>>9707575410 seekers certainly are more expensive than a 10 man tactical support squad with plasma guns. And nobody is disagreeing that combi-plasmas are useless.Plasma also out-performs kraken bolters against a wide range of targets that aren't toughness 4 or lower infantry. Even against terminators, which are toughness 5 now, overcharged plasma has the same chance of a breaching hit as kraken bolters breaching 4+ doesn't help when you only wound on a 5+ but also does a bunch of regular wounds in addition to the breaching hits.
>catastrophically poor at conduction warfare on the operational level>held in disregard or disdain by his primarch, his peers, and his subordinates>diplomatically toxic, cannot interact with elements of other legions without inviting disparagementHow come he never lost his job?
>>97075855It amuses Fulgrim to see him fail. It is like having a person from a brench family at the company, do stupid shit, just that everyone from the main family can laugh at them/learn what not to do. Plus as a bonus, when someone has to be sent to Laos or Brasil, you have a mook that can go there instead of someone important and actualy useful.
>>97075855>We surgically enhanced him wrong, as a jokeHe's the Legion's comic relief - they have to be perfect at everything, and he's perfectly terrible at everything he does.
What do people do if they finished their army, but someone says it is not legal, because you don't have squad markins, legion emblema etc on each vehicle and marine, but you do not have any decals for your dudes, because the boxes only came with Imperil Fists and Sons of Horus? Do you like try to learn to free hand or something. Because I don't think I have the skill the paint 200 white winged swords on red shoulder pads + the same on 10+ vehicles.
>>97075667>Corvidae making it constantly ap2So which is it, is needing a 6+ to be ap2 "constant" or "never happening"?>Massive self damageOn average dice you're blowing up a single plasma TSS marine when you overcharge>High point costPlasma is dirt cheap this edition you fucking spastic>The most overtuned infantry in the game is better than a TSS at killing marinesYou don't say, they aren't even that much more effective at killing meq when you work the math out (around 3 points per wound dealt) the problem with seekers is their bullshit versatility
>>97075855Because he’s just as incompetent as the rest of the EC because GW has a hate boner for them. Just this edition they wrote that the EC lost half the legion at the Dropsite Massacre.
>>97076071You say "legal according to what?" and have them point to the rule they are talking about.
>>97076254In that I can't play them as Dark Angels, and should use the Shattered Legions rules, because they don't have the decals/sculpted regalia.
>>97076216>Just this editionBruh that was in Betrayal, it's old news.
>>97076288That was just the loyalist purging in betrayal, the new lore is they also lost 50k during the massacre.
>>97076288Well they were called "emperors children" for a reason. And not everyone was a self centered cunt like Lucius or Fabio. And even those that were that, were so keen of throwing it in with the horus side. They litteraly went through 2 purges, then through a "we totaly suck Slanesh X" purge, followed by legion war and breaking up in a civil war again. The dude practicaly exist to kill each other, because , especialy post slanesh, each one of them thinks that they are the perfection and how all EC should be. and what is worse. If you clone them, they still thing that the clones aren't up to pair, because they don't have the same set of expiriance. They are more mental then the NL.
>>97076309I don't know why you got the idea that this is new. The 50k ballpark figure was presented in Betrayal.
>>97076322He's talking about the losses incurred on Isstvan V, not Isstvan III. There's an info box in the new journal. The guesstimate for their losses at Isstvan V is also in the 50,000 range.
>>97076322Because that’s Istvaan III not V, they have 50k listed again for V, which means they put the wrong number in the book, or the EC lost 100k Marines across both planets.
>>97076277just don't engage with the argument, it's pointless
I never understood why he wears the freaky skull cap.
>>97076333>>97076342>Isstvan System Campaign
>>97076369So the EC lost 0 Space Mariens on 5?
>>97076333>>97076342>the campaign which saw the traitor legions wipe out all their loyalist components has them lose a lot of dudesyea, no shit.This is the losses for Isstvan III and V combined, and probably includes their "purge" losses too.
>>97076350We kind of a only have 4 players right now, and after some games where I just get tabled, I am not very interested in playing two of the four guys and the last guy plays DA just like me. Only difference between our armies is that he has the resin legion units and I don't. But after rethinking it all you are right. I don't think he or his friend will change their mind. It is their store, so their rules apply.
>>97076366Marsians have an unhealthy fascination with horses and horse like things.
>>97076377Considering what happened just before the Fulgrim vs mr Hands duel, some EC had had to die. you do not take a primarch thunder hammer to the face and live.
>>97076391But he's from Cyclothrathe, not Mars.
>>97076392>a primarch thunder hammerThe actual visual is even better. Ferrus only brought the Fireblade to Isstvan V and didn't draw it until he was right before Fulgrim. Prior to their duel, from the moment he made planetfall, Ferrus was literally punching purple legionaries to death.
>>97076392Agreed. I legitimately think that GW is intending for the EC to lose 90-100k Marines over both battles. Because the other option is they took nearly 0 losses at Istvaan 5 despite being the main focus of a Primarch and 10,000 Terminators and Veterans.
>>97076420That assumes exactly 50,000 remained loyal.
>>97076443It assumes roughly 50,000k losses at III like Betrayal says.
>>97076420It's mentioned at some point in Massacre that the Iron Hands were managing a 1:1 kill/death ratio before the trap was sprung and they were boxed in. In a pitched battle against an entrenched force with technological and doctrinal parity, that's just something that's not supposed to happen. It's a truism of warfare that the defender is advantaged in this respect. That the Iron Hands managed this anyway should baffle people.
>>97076470Your terminator elite trading 1:1 with regular troops isnt all that great really.
WIP Sons of Horus Mortiat for the 888th rapid siege company. he's fucking huge
>>97076686Pretty thicc
>>97076366Least Maladjsuted Uma Enjoyer
>>97076394OC local cybernetica order wears animal skull masks partly for totemic cargo-cult ritual, but also because their Battle Automata are keyed to be especially murderous, and the disguises prevent a friendly-fire lock-in by breaking the human silhouette.Just like in that movie Oblivion where the "aliens" were actually humans cosplaying as the Predator because the machines were set to kill all non-Tom Cruise humans.https://youtu.be/rEby9OkePpg?si=CUNcGNBSetkfMNmM
>>97076366It's a Darkmech thing. Admech loves to show off parts of their humanity i.e. fleshy faces, arm etc.Darkmech likes to make things look like animals (particularly spiders and scorpions)
>>97076366He picked it along with the black robes to make himself more scary according to FW fluff. In the BL books I remember a lot of magi wearing masks too like the magma city archmagos and some of the characters of the kaban machine and more I can't remember.
>>97076470The EC weren't really entrenched, they met the Iron Hands in pitched battle on the sands.
>>97075211Incredibly based
>>97076470IH were elite formations only, lots of terminators, cream of the crop. EC were also corrupted by Slaanesh by that point.
>>97074992Is a 5++ bubble that good? What are you stuffing inside blast template bait?
>>97077430Her model barely works as a militia enforcer.
What should I read besides the black books to better understand the Iron Hands?
>>97077428>Is a 5++ bubble that good?nta but I imagine its pretty fucking valuable depending on whats being protected, especially now you cant shroud reaction with non vehicles.Having a 5++ vs counterbattery with rapiers or HSS sounds pretty clutch.
>>97077472Talmud
>>97077328Ferrus brought 90% of his force to Isstvan. It was a lot more then just elites. And most of the morlocks had been slain from Fulgrim's earlier attempts to corrupt his brother (Pure plotarmor btw theres not fucking way the phoenix terminators just casually decapitated the morloks)
>>97077430Why would she wear dreadlocks? Imagine you had huge ears that get in the way of sleepign at night, and you arrive at the command center and all your underlings are wearing fake ears in an attempt to look like you wtf hahahaha
>>97077518>dreadlocks?Aren't those the nails?
>>97077492>btw theres not fucking way the phoenix terminators just casually decapitated the morloksNot with those rules, you're right LMAO. I wonder if Emperor's Children players actually use Phoenix termies, considering Praetorian Command Terminators no longer require an actual Praetor to be fielded, and their hammers hit at i3 anyways.Like, I know D2 bounces off Morlocks' EW, but they still wound on a 2+ at AP2 unlike phoenix spears, which are good at killing...VEQ (conditional).
>>97077524She, anon. Lotara doesn't have the nails. I am making fun of pictures of her depicting her styling her hair as the dreadlock-mutilations of her Primarch.
>>97077570I think comparing them in their 1e incarnations would make better sense here, given when the lore for the dropsite massacre was written.>>97077575I am actually fine with that.Sounds like something an obsessed human would do.
>>97070421Did you even read the post you replied to? Obviously I know about that combo, I said I did. How the fuck is he getting it while also running a praetorian jump squad with disintegrators?!
>>97077637Are you retarded?
>>97071972Does Tyberos have the same type of armor as Abaddon? It also has that rounded top but looks like normal indomitus otherwise, sans shoulders.
>>97074070>[restricts teleportation to 4 legions]Tell me more about that
>>97077646>can't read>gets defensiveGo take a shower
>>97077472Shattered Legions HH anthology. It's mostly IH stuff, and the first one by Abnett is great
>>97077472Make up your own shit. You could probably write more about the IH's then any BL author if you sat down and wrote for 15 minutes.
>>97077658True Rites of War died so you could buy a Master of Descent TM
Eidolon aside, which is completely forgettable, this series is pretty cool.
For a guy who was supposed to be a good void commander you ccan't stick a helmet on Pollux's armor.
>>97078152yea, its pretty fucked.
>>97076366Because it's cool, stupid.
>>97069148Sats not requiring Los and the Tartaros support squad running 10 blasters that can be used in volley fire are absolutely not shit lmao
>>97078598critical thinking skills of a mushroom on display right here
Please tell me of your experiences with Deathshroud. I know they can take a hammer to the face, but it doesn't seem they can dish termie-killing damage out. But maybe I'm wrong.
>>97078682>plasma is shit except for the majority of units it’s good onOk lol
>>97078598>Sats not requiring LosI think this speaks more about Barrage than it does about plasma itself, anon. As for the Siege Tartaroi, I think they're better off with Reaper Autocannons than they are with plasma blasters
>>97078866With reaping blow active they pack a decent punch, and the alchem casters can force a ridiculous amount of armour saves during volley fire. Can trade quite even into thunder hammer/power fist terminators thanks to eternal warrior. But Death Shroud are still the most effective when they're mowing down MEQ and other chaff.
>>97079024Reapers only have 1 plastic and 1 resin pose but blasters can be put on multiple arms and a squad with double barreled plasma shotgums is cooler
>>97079024Nah reaper autocannon siege tartaros are too many points for the damage they do. Especially because the Heavy (FP) keeps baiting retards into keeping them stationary for the extra shots, might as well have taken a HSS at that point.
>>97079312>might as well have taken a HSS at that point.I suspect they are indeed a HSS not unlike Veteran HSS are. They just happen to be a sort of Zones Mortalis HSS, so they are fully expected to survive melee on their own unlike HSS, who ideally would have a squad nearby to serve as a barrier between them and the enemy? Assault HSS gooo!
>>97079110>With reaping blow activeThat's a big if for a unit with Bulky 2, anon. 5 of them already don't outnumber a Tactical squad. Then again, Deathshroud on Tacticals is massive overkill lol
>>97079415The reaping blows mostly helps against other terminators. Lose one deathshroud to the enemy character or something, and the rest start swinging power scythes at 5 attacks per model.When playing against DG I make sure not to shoot their Deathshroud before my terminators charge in or charge them with multiple units. Made the mistake of letting Deathshroud get their 5 attacks each a few times, and boy does it hurt.
>>97079627But 5 death shrouds doing 5A per model kill a single terminator (2.4 W). Meanwhile, the survivors would also kill a death shroud. Huh guess it's not as lopsided as I feared. Death shroud do get the better pistols after all
>>97076470Horus did say that if Ferrus was on his side, he would not have worried about the success of his side.
>>97079727>muh dauntless few
Oozing posthumanism.
>people built entire armies out of these resin dudes>and LIKED itGoddamn. I had to make plasticard attachment points for three of the parts just to get it to stick normally and half the bits are chipped or mold slipped or worse
>>97079024How it works out for the siege terminators is that reaper is better only if you’re parking them somewhere. Plasma blasters get volley while allowing you to move if you ever wanna use the chain fists or anything like that the squad gets
>>97079854to be fair to forge world on this one those molds are at least a decade old at this point and they've just drastically improved their techniques since then.but yea, nobody actually liked that shit they just convinced themselves they were The Elite
>>97079854Did you wash the resin?
>>97080109I haven't washed resin for a while and haven't had a problem.
Can you actually overcome Alone and Forgotten's +4 to the combat resolution? A defending squad gets +1 for having more models regularly, +1 for a vexilla maybe, but how would you get +3 to the rest of the combat resolution to actually defeat a centurion in melee assuming neither side takes casualties or wounds?
>>97068897It's not that they're scared of high ap - GW put forth as a rules pillar of the edition letting space marines roll their 3+ save as much as possible, game balance be damned.
>>97069111>Why is it bad to have things die when shot by the right gun?Because little Johnny with his Imperial Fists feels deprotagonized if his units are killed.
>>97074300The Horus Heresgmy is about entire legions dying like dogs. Astartes should be pasted if they try to go up against armor.
>>97080875Some of my coworkers figure you can paint the models up and resell that to make money and they always get confused when I tell them assembling and painting the models tends to reduce their value unless you're on another level.
I got a couple of these from the dwarf fireslayers kit, do they look like they could work as White Scar combat shields? Too fantasy or just fancy?
>>97080897these do look oddly eastern. Thats really fuckin weird.
>>97080900yeah, one's even got vague eagle wings
>>97080831The Blackshield cannot win if he's dead
>>97080831Be a Word Bearers command squad.>One for more models>One for centurion with vexilla>Two for Legion Standard>One for being Word Bearers
>>97079415Reminder that knights get reaping blow against a single assault marine.
>>97079854MkII my beloved
>>97080252>hard to get things to stick>doesn't wash anon I...
>>97079942The resin FW design for mkII is superior lookswise to nu-mkII
>>97081138So true.>B-but it doesn't look like mk II on ancient prehistoric models!Changes are good when they are an improvement.
It straight up isn't. The only subjective upgrade is the cool v collar, but everything else from the helmet to the arms to the legs is cooler in nu mk2. You don't even have the non-locked torso advantage because mk2 looks goofy with a twisted waist. The only armor worse is mk6, and that armor has been irredeemable since RTB-01 and is only around for nostalgia farming
>>97078114Valdor book is kino
>>97081146Well said.
>>97081147No the nu-mkII helmet is tiny and looks silly, the backpack is too fat and the leg shins look awful.
>>97067348Working on forge world version of the Solar Auxiliary Command Section, I forgot I even had it in storage...
>>97081203lmao
>>97081203
So whats the most OP shit you have seen in 3.0 so far?
>>9708134512 rapiers with quad canons firing phosphex carnisters in to my 100% bike mounted force and pinning me for 3 turns. So that I did no melee with any unit and shot 2 heavy bolters in one single turn. meanwhile his units (he got first turn) sat on all objectives and was getting some crazy number of points each turn, even with VP gain degrading each turn. We did not play turn 4. Or rather I did not play my.
>>97081345Vulkan. This mf rules are simply absurd and they didn't even try to hide it. Top tier damage dealer, Good shooting, best tanking, grants better buffs than Guilliman or alpharius, and his prime are not specific troop locked.
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>>97081345the only two things in 3rd so broken they deserve to be self-nerfed immediately are Vulkan and Corvidae 5+ rending power.They're massively overpowered and there's zero downside, army can take them and have SSS-tier offense without any drawback (so you can afford to buy S-tier defense or mobility at the same time)You can change it to rending6+ for corvid spell and remove a full point of damage from vulkan's hammer and they'd still be as strong as anything that's in the game.
>>97079415it's not in the slightest difficult to become outnumbered with bulky2. Enemy shoots them ever? Instantly all remaining deathshroud go super saiyan mode with 5 AP3 rending5+ attacks per model. Bring a 5man squad and enemy has 5 termies + 1 character to lead them? Suddenly 10 free bonus scythe attacks at initiative 3 (all swinging before thunderhammers). Enemy has any non-TH models in his unit such as claws? Will kill 1 terminator and suddenly you get +2 attacks for the whole squad when they swing. You had 10 deathshroud and enemy had 10 elite terminators? If you claim they're stronger than your termies, then round 1 he kills say 3 and you kill 2, round 2 that means you're 35 breaching5+ attacks at decent initiative which is plenty when enemy's hammers are striking last at dmg1 instead of dmg2. Also, deathshroud are brave - Ld10 C9 without needing a sarge. For comparison, just have your seekers snipe a phoenix term champ and the unit is instantly Ld8 C8 and phosphex runs them off the board at leadership 5.Deathshroud are simply well-balanced terminators with fair strengths and fair weaknesses. Retards are upset they're not an OP unit like Vulkan that auto-counters every single threat auto-winning against everything. They too stupid to realize how good EW1 is, countering hammer/fist/lascannon/autocannons - and without Red Butchers huge penalty of being WS3 on defense. You can also put a saturnine auto-duel-winner lord inside, he squishes any enemy duelists or champs and fills all the AP2 terminator-squishing the unit needs - without removing EW1 or the WS5 from the unit.
Any pics of the tarot artwork from the Scouring book?
>>97079684Those Death Guard poison flamers are absolutely mean, I have seen ten tacsups with alchem flamers melt an entire terminator squad and that isn't even too far above average, if you hit all 5 terminators with 10 templates you'll kill three or four with average rolls.
looks like all the mega.nz and gofile folders from 2025 were nuked by Games Workshop, but luckily I could still download the Black Books from an old (2024?) mega linkbesides Black Books and maybe HH2 campaign supplements, what do I need for lore? don't really care about rules
>>97082174The exemplary battles pdfs. They have fluff for specific battles.
>>97079856Even with volley fire (hitting on 5s), five reapers shooting on the move are still slightly better than 5 plasma blasters, by virtue of reapers being D2. But I guess that means plasma blasters are uncontested against single wound chaff yay
>>97082174> https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0Nthe above link still works and even has Forges of Saturn
>>97082382>Cruor-Court
I love it. Maximum assholery for great justice.
I know this is a cartoon reference but it's not one I watched and so I have no idea if there's a joke buried here.
>>97081147MK6 hater AND an enjoyer of shitty modernslop remakes of classics - I've never recorded faggotry levels this concentrated before even at a drag queen storytime event.
>>97081795That death shroud get 5 power axe attacks each isn't good – it's necessary. Otherwise your super special terminators are essentially armed with mere power weapons, and that's no good.Furthermore, 3A with hammers do more damage than 5A with power axes, even at D1 when hitting their Eternal Warrior. If they roll just a little bad Death shroud are going to lose combat
>>97082453It's the 1989 Treasure Island animated by Kievnauchfilm in the USSR. Used in various "Phonk" music memes last year.
>>97081452What a fun game
>>97081452>play a list that cant score>deploy close enough to phosphex that your opponent can shell you from turn 1>act surprised when you lose99% of complaints about this game are purely skill issues
>>97082476Hammer terminators are an expensive specialty unit. They do perform slightly better at melee-only terminator killing, but at 270 points for a 5man instead of 235 points, and without assault pistol poison 2+ flamethrower templates. And squishier to term-killer squads (like a lascannon squad drops 4.2 wounds on the cata retinue but only deals 2.8 on deathshroud. Ditto results for dmg2 autocannons, catas melt faster)That points difference means being able to buy 6 deathshroud instead of 5 cata chosens, so first flamers wipe 2 cata chosen in shooting phase, volley fire then takes out 1.25 more chosen, leaving 6 scythes vs 2 hammer guys before any swinging starts - hammers have no initiative at all so the scythes strike first and wipe 1 chosen, leaving 1 single hammer guy to fight 6 deathshroud. Hammer guy deals 0.8 wounds, then next turn dies due to initiative 2, having never killed a single one of the 6 deathshroud.The meme "scythe means helpless against terminators" is just one of those things repeated by retards who cannot understand a complex thought. Scythes are REALLY amazing against 3+ armor saves, yes, that does not mean deathshroud must be the opposite and somehow helpless against 2+ armor saves. No, they're breaching5+ with tons of attacks and flamethrowers that wound terminators on 2+ and get to shoot 2x each turn, plus EW1 to shrug off hammer damage. That's a great anti-terminator package actually. Particularly with a terminator-smashing character joining them (who doesn't take away their shooting power or survivability but greatly increases the term-squishing-melee)
>>97082382Uh, I thought we didn't had Forges of Saturne yet. Thanks anon
>>97082552It's even fucking worse, because this polish retard somehow plays with rules that means anti grav units can't go through terrain (???) so he's going to use that excuse to why he didn't just hide out of Los (phosphex does not have barrage) and then auto charge turn 2 with no reprecussions because they also only have 24" range. Genuinely have to be lobotomized or playing on planet bowling ball to lose this match up - unfortunately, it's a polish nigger, so likely both are true
>>97082647>"phosphex does not have barrage"Confirmed you're a faggot who has never played even one single match of horus heresy.
>>97082586>6 deathshroud instead of 5 cata chosensDeathshroud being cheaper and more resilient than equivalent Retinues is a FAR more effective argument than telling others to rely on Reaping. I cannot deny that. Unironic thanks for your insight and patience, anon.If anything, 6 Deathshroud vs 5 Cata Chosen makes reaping all the less likely to activate lol. Good day and fuck scythes.
>>97082382>IH throw terminators at WB>WB counter with Phraetus squads>IH counter Phraetus with dreadnought spamThe brief one-upsmanship is a little funny.
>>97082682yes, those aren't even the ideal situation for the deathshroud, as that's with just 3 scythe attacks each and only a small number of targets.If it was same unit of deathshroud vs a 10man of WS4 terminators, then the deathshroud get twice as many targets to flamer and 30 melee attacks instead of 18, while also WS5 vs WS4 means hitting on 3+ instead of 4+ and being hit on 5+ instead of 4+. And 300 points for 10x Cataphractii with zero hammers (which for some reason cost the same +10 pts per model on WS4 as on WS5 squads).Looking at it, it's probably not a stretch for 280 points of deathshroud to reliably beat up 20x cataphractii non-retinue terms with 3 hammer upgrades tossed in each unit (660 pts). Part of why footslogger hordes of cheap bodies doesn't actually function now. And non-retinue terminators can't even justify the cost of a landraider.6x Shrouds could get dropped to wipe rear objectives from cheap 115 dreadclaw and flamer then volley flamer. No assault vehicle needed as they dont care about charge bonuses unlike EC/WE who'd have to buy the 200 pt Storm Eagle to reliably get into melee with bonuses (and costs +85 more)
>>97082747Phraetus being able to teleport by themselves seems huge. Fuck termies should be able to teleport, or at least buy it
>>97082382Thanks anon. Wow, I hadn't realized Master of Descent was a dlc unit. And augur command squad (using Rapier crew) is obviously just something that should've been in Legacy pdf free. Ditto for hyperius, tiny stat alteration on a whirlwind tank doing a turret swap. This fucking company. Seems clear the entire journals should've simply been free downloads, can't believe some moron is paying $29 for 3 legacy unit profiles and two or three random badly designed missions.
>>97082821They should've at least given the same ability to get the teleporter to the comsquad. Or fucking Centurion, what the fuck.
>>97082929Is there a Termie MoD or are we limited to the jumppack ones?!
>>97082947Currently there's only the antigrav version, so no way for terminators to deepstrike turn 1. Terms can come from an aircraft on turn 1 but only from your board edge if you don't wait for turn 2 (when aircraft can fly on other sides)
>>97081345Blackshield centurions spam. They can and will score 200+ vps in a game where winners rarely have more then 20 or 30.
>>97082821>Fuck termies should be able to teleport, or at least buy itThey can, if youre a night lord.
>>97083180saturnine teminator squads with sat praetor, atramentar termies, contekar, crimson paladins, Justaerin terminators but only with Abaddon buffing them. Horus already has DS so he can teleport too.Alexis Polux with DS Breachers (pretty much budget DS terminator brick though technically different)Warmonger in legacies allows any terminator squad to DS, but if they suffer any unsaved wounds from Interceptor reaction, they get Suppressed status.Though each model only needs to see 1 atom of any enemy to shoot their entire unit behind a building, you can reliably teleport say Alpha Legion lernaens with 2 blast templates, only see 1 pixel of one bolter guy, then place both blast templates in the center of the unit touching 4-5 things out of sight without any penalties (because you had LoS to at least one model in the unit, it's not an indirect shot and Barrage is not required - yes, 3rd edition rules are that trash)
>>97083434Is that how the blasts work? You can shoot the whole unit, but im pretty sure you need to place the templates over the guy you can see.
>>97082973Your Warmonger?
>>97083434Naaah that's silly. Target any model you can see, and when you start allocating wounds, allocate only to whatever you can actually trace LoS to. Any wounds that cannot be allocated to visible models will be lost.Isn't that how it's always been since forever?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwIs1kKBOus
>>97083454>>97083627>im pretty sure you need to place the templates over the guy you can seethat's what you'd imagine but it's definitely no longer how the rules work.Pg250 even has a cope paragraph "unlikely target models" to explain why they're too lazy to have written good LoS rules. You're literally able to shoot a 8" gun into a model 20" away behind a building out of sight and hit 4 of his friends because "well in the ebb and flow of battle, maybe 5 minutes later all his friends came around the corner or something and let you shoot them I guess"
>>97083516all warmonger does is grant a unit an inferior version of deepstrike, deepstrike is still never allowed to come down on turn 1. (master of descent gives a special exception to ignore the turn 1 ban on DS for an antigrav squad)
>>97081795I just think that they should probably have vanguard.>>97082022How do you even fail that many armor saves? On terminators?
>>97083454it's not even a grey area. "The target model may be ANY model in the target unit - it DOES NOT have to be in Line of Sight or in range of any given model in the attacking unit"
>Wanted to see the biggest force I could unlock with minimal HQ investment >3 Land Raiders, 15 terminators (5 of them Retinue class), 4 Rhinos and 40 Tacticals later, I still have 700 points freeI guess this is why people buy Spartans, huh? Lol. Though getting two Land Raider Carriers instead of two LR Explorators is costing me some 70 pts, which is probably the cost of an Optae or Armistos. Will need to see further. Especially seeing how my only anti-TEQ is...TEQ of my own (as it should be lmao)
>>97083826it's not even unlikely. 10 templates is 50 hits if they touch 5. Wounding 2+ that's 42 armor saves, most common average is 7 wounds suffered (3.5 dead). Equally likely is 3 or 4 terminators lost. Killing 5 instead of 4 isn't even a stretch when there's 42 armor save rolls to make and dice roll cold.
>>97083800Boy am I glad for shrimplification xdd rofl
>>97083826I'm glad they didn't have to pay extra points to get vanguard. It means they can score 3 points instead of 1 point on the center objective and stay inexpensive. If they had vanguard with EW1 and their 2+ wound flamers they'd probably cost 50 points per model and enemies would have a bigger incentive to step out of range the second you place them 9" away to shoot your flamethrowers (they'd react and run 7" backwards and your deathshroud wouldn't be able to flamethrower or melee)
>>97083800>>97083860t. 2.0 rhino LoS abusers
>>97083895No, I'm not one of the talentless faggots who works at GW.They wrote for 25% of an entire page how they specifically want broken terrible LoS rules as their intention and their goal for the fundamental gameplay of shitty 3rd edition.The rhino exploit was a trick done against the old 40k designers intentions (which were good compared to the shitty intentions of modern GW)
>>97083895also, GW had the chance in their FAQ/Errata to do otherwise as well, but doubled down further... explicitly clarifying if a tank's right side gun can see one hair of a model, it can shoot any model in that unit, even if it's a guy behind a wall on the left side of the tank out of sight and not in the firing arc where the tank's gun can even fucking shoot towards.
>>97083931Well Anon, next time you play a 3.0 game with your opponent, why don't you ask him if you can play a houseruled match?Assuming you even have an army and play games and can talk to strangers with shitting your pants, of course.
>>97083850Are you forgetting you have almost 20 allied detachments you can take to completely avoid hqs?
>>97083981If we're gonna house-rule broken systems, there's more broken systems in 3rd edition than in 1st or 2nd edition, so it's entirely irrational to play 3rd at all.
Anyone have a resource for 1st edition units and their points?
>combat shields are specifically for having a shield and your pistol>have to replace your pistol for the shieldPiss
>>97084002loyalty is its own reward
>>97067348>TQWorking on these and then onto the Sat Termis
>>97083991>there's more broken systems in 3rd edition than in 1st or 2nd editionWhy don't you post the army you use to play 1.0 and 2.0?
Funny to see how everybody seems to have forgotten that blast weapons have always been allowed to kill models outside of LOS and range. The nogames illiterates always expose themselves for what they are. Top kek.
>>97083991Dude I get that 3.0 hate bait is really easy to make, but atleast make it believable As an actual answer, no, the editions with multiple armies and multiple entire unit types being unplayable where you had to heavily limit your armies or else you’re a cunt are worse than 3.0 with bad terrain rules and shitty base missions
>>97067348>TQI recently bought the CSM KT box to harvest it for NL bits and pieces. The miniatures themselves serve as guinea pigs to test my paint scheme and get used to painting marines or GW minis in general again.
>>97083990Those free allied detachments only unlock HQ and troops, anon. If you want detachments of a different LA trait than your main force, then you need HQ of that legion. As in, a DG Centurion cannot unlock a Shock Assault detachment filled with units of Sons of Horus trait
And I could actually read what I wrote before posting: It's funny that 3.0 lovers whenever someone write something negative about 3.0 their main argument is: you don't even play, post army pics. Then after the anons post their armies and explains that they are actually playing the game the haters just do not respond anymore.
>>97084382Well, post your models already then.
>>97084382just put the "post models" retards into auto-filter it takes 2 seconds, I never have to read their spergouts at all.
>>97084382The army: UnpostedThe concession: Accepted
>>97084399No, I only have 1600 points for now. Slowly building up
>>97084425>Only 1600 points and still buildingBruh you weren't even born when 1.0 came out, stop acting like you know what you're talking about.
>>97084382>whenever someone write something negative about 3.0in all fairness they've been doing that since 2012
>>97067348> 1 St edition rulesWREATHED IN LIGHTNING THEY REND THE VEIL> 3rd editionDeep strikeFUCKING GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
>>97085053objectively 1st edition 30k has 0/10 rules and 0/10 unit rules, 2nd edition is just as fucked and 3rd is just as fucked. All they are is 3 different flavors of garbage.Literally the only reason there's even one customer for 30k is that people like the book series and like the sculpts.Replace the sculpts with random tokens and there'd be exactly zero people playing, unlike an actual good game like chess.
>>97085063Well yes the main draw of Warhammer has always been the setting. The main focus should never be the game, just look at 40k to see what that leads to.
Anyone got the 1st edition books specifically inferno
No you can't retard read the rules, you have to still target model to model with line of sight, you can ALLOCATE wounds to any model in the unit. The attacker doesn't get shit from new LOS rules, only the target. And that's before you get to the fact that the whole point of new terrain rules is to eliminate "see one guy through a crack" entirely - if you're shooting too far the building there's no line of sight past 3"
>>97080875it would work as a proxy?
>>97085063hows that fence post feel, goy
I think the reason heavy chainswords never took off is because nobody can get the arms to aline. Holy shit what a headache.
I want to see your army. Your army list to please. Being new to 3.0 is difficult.
I just woke up from a dream where I dreamt that a new 3.0 book dropped that had a bunch of alternate colour schemes for every legion. Can’t remember all the ones I “saw” in the book but the ones I do remember were>”zone mortalis schemes” which had every legion in all cold white power armour with just their helmets and power packs in their legion colour>varying camouflage schemes that made no sense whatsoever (bright red and cyan tiger stripes for WS, purple and green for SM, cold white and gold for EC)>asteroid camo which was just every legion painted normally but they had grey and black speckled legs?>alt schemes specifically for fighting on one planet I can’t remember the name of that again made no sense (all yellow armour for SoH, power armour that was all black but had rainbow coloured accents for DA, NL’s in fluorescent green and orange)Why the fuck did my brain dream of these things? Is it my body’s way of telling me to hurry up and pick which legion I wanna collect?
>>97085647>which had every legion in all cold white power armour with just their helmets and power packs in their legion colour>A bunch of legions fighting eachother in the ISS with moonsuits. Its kino im afraid
>>97085463the reason they never took off is they're gay, lame and also weak and equally ass stupid in the fluff.If you're spending on some elite upgrade when mass produced lightsaber power weapons exist, there's no reason to ever go with a dumb jumbo chainsaw.And having 60 teeth instead of 30 teeth doesn't mean it'd cut any better at all. The only thing long chainsaws are for is cutting really big trees where you need the extra deep length, which isn't a thing in 30k (he's not fighting a bio-titan with a shitty chainsword, they'd use melta/krak for that)Also, that long a chainsaw would slap an enemy powersword a single time and lose the entire track, so having extra teeth wouldn't actually make it somehow durable. Or get slammed by some hard armor and bend it anywhere (changing length), no longer spin-spin.And as picture shows, the comically large useless size means he's not holding a forcefield shield in one hand, so 100% of enemies would simply blast the dude with the dumb 2h chainsword into a pile of meat gibblets. Something like a phoenix spear at least justifies being two-handed by having twice the reach of that chainsaw while a powersword on the tip of the spear would cut through terminators from outside of thunderhammer range.Oh, and probably 70% of why they'll never take off is buying forgeworld or resin chainsaws and having to sculpt every single tooth yourself using a knife because there's resin filling between every single tooth (and you accidentally break every 4th or 5th or 6th tooth trying to cut them out) Literally nothing in resin has ever been worse than chainsaws.
>>97084318Seems bringing a Centurion is more permissive than bringing an actual Praetor
>>97085865That's because they made two handed chainsaws be mere Heavy Chainswords instead of Eviscerators like they had ALWAYS been. Eviscerators are the chainfists of the non-terminator infantry
>>97085899oh yeah, 40k eviscerators are a form of weak power sword field generator, right? Which was entirely stripped in 30k. They should be AP3 Breaching6+ Rend6+, then they'd be a little effective into terminators (still nothing like Thammer) but absolutely shred stuff like Vet Assault Squads. That'd still make them situational, just not 0% use like currently.
>>97085977*meant to type shred instead of rend. Both would be fine, but AP3-breach6-shred6 would differentiate them from lightning claws AP3-breach6-rend6.Claws of course still having more extra attacks and better initiative, eviscerator wouldn't make them pointless or redundant.
>>97085865You are a fool. A FOOL.And very boring too.
>>97086007I accept your apology, child with no argument whatsoever and zero taste.
>>97085977>>97085990Bro why are y'all allergic to full, actual, non-conditional AP2? You do realize Eviscerators would be wielded mostly by WS4 A3 sarges who also have access to actual thunder hammers, right?
>>97086018What's the point with arguing with someone so stupid as to not even realize their own foolishness?
>>97086023Because easily available ap2 is anti-thetical to elite units and quality armor saves mattering, which in case you haven't figured out by now people actually like
>>97086052Anon it'll be like a single eviscerator per squad. The game can survive that. Especially when sarges already pack thunder hammers
>>97086052For shooting yes, but not for melee. Melee should be deadly and unforgiving. The eviscerator is the chainfist for non-terminators, so its stats should be similar if not the exact same.
>>97086171>>97086171>>97086171
>>97085647>purple and green for SMThanks magos
>>97083810There are ways of making the Warmongers version work: Everyone has Heavy Flamers of Hvy. Alchem Flamers for instance, or your using Flesh is Weak Blackshields is another good one.
