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>Previously
>>97065945

>TQ
What's your favorite card from TLA so far?
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>>97072592
>What's your favorite card from TLA so far?
I really don't like any of therm and all the ones I'd consider brewing with are only because they are degenerate garbage.
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>>97072592
Haven't used much of the avatar cards yet but either Wall of Ba Sing Se for the silliness of it, or Avatar's Wrath
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I have high hopes for this thread
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>>97072673
>I have high hopes
NOT ON MY WATCH, BROTHER
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Thread Question
I am partial towards the Airship. But my brewing has been hampered by the realization that sacrifice at the end step won't trigger it.
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>>97072693
Just use treasures, super easy.
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>>97072592
FUCK ATLA
FUCK UB
RETURN TO BLOCKS
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>>97072711
THREE SETS OF AETHERDRIFT for you
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>>97072592
>TQ
Kyoshi Battle Fan, for being slightly more useful than Monk's Fist
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>>97072723
>THREE SETS OF AETHERDRIFT for you
HURRAH!
HURRAH!
I LOVE INSECT PISS!
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>>97072723
unironically i would take a block of aetherdrift over atla, spidermand and tmnt anon.
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>>97072592
>Phoenix Fleet Airship
Just made a cube with 80 copies of Phoenix Fleet Airship. Lmk what you think.
https://cubecobra.com/cube/overview/ccd7a3d8-460f-401c-8bf1-c5f3a096ec6d
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>>97072723
I'll unironically take Homelands over TMNT.
Every archetypal failed magic set, from Homelands to Fallen Empires to Aetherdrift, at least has interesting problems to diagnose.
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>Have to wait an entire year for Star Trek
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I'd like to please request advice on building a sideboard for Legacy Infect. Pic related is a stock maindeck which I may adjust with -1/2 Ponder/LQR +1/2 counterspells (FoN, Flusterstorm, Spell Pierce, Consign).

My LGS meta consists of some people who switch decks weekly, and some people who always play the same deck. The mainstays are as follows
Cloudpost (green, sometimes blue)
Mystic Forge
^ These are the two most popular, then the others
Doomsday
Lands
GB Midrange (think Jund style, not cradle control)
UB/UR Tempo
Sneak & Show
Stiflenought
D&T

I was thinking some combination of the following:
3-4 Consign to Memory - Cloudpost, forge, doomsday
3-4 Swords to Plowshares or Dismember - Any creature matchup, Dismember if I cut white
2 Triumph of Saint Katherine - GB or Tempo
x Skylasher/Great Stable Stag - Tempo
x Endurance/RiP - Tempo, Lands or GY combo
x Flusterstorm/Spell Pierce - Any combo, probably more relevant against S&S and Doomsday
1 Gaddock Teeg - Cloudpost, forge
1 Collector Ouphe - Forge
2 Damping Sphere - Cloudpost, Forge, and if someone randomly decides to play Storm. Detrimental to my own deck, however

Any advice appriciated. Thank you if you read this far.

>>97072840
ICE block had some of the best art and overall card appearances in Magic. I particularly adore the purple lands border in HML.
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>>97072916
>Waiting for an UB set
Anon, you failed us.
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>>97072592
Fated Firepower
Just because I really liked damage increasers and it's finally on a playable form.
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>>97072991
Oh I’m sorry, are you excited for Adventures in Jace Space 2: Multiverse Boogaloo?
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>>97072916
Idk man even as a massive trekkie I cant imagine the set is going to be any good
Its just so not magic
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>>97073042
2026 has no interesting sets, dont start with the false dichotomy
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I'm really worried guys, FIRE only works if the continue the powercreep, but we're already at the point where games are decided on turn one
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>>97073066
>I'm really worried guys, FIRE only works if the continue the powercreep, but we're already at the point where games are decided on turn one
We still have plenty of space.
The game ENDING on turn 1 is the goal.
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>>97073089
We can take the coomander route and ban FoW in Legacy to get a start on how this might look.
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People were talking about Green being weak in standard a few months ago. Well here you go, the colour is good again....but at what cost
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>>97072970
I haven't played Infect in a long time, but I would recommend running a non-zero amount of Uro in the sideboard for grindy matchups
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>>97072689
WWE UB when?
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>>97072711
Looking forward to NYC block constructed
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>>97073276
What were they thinking? You had Llanowar elves in foundation and now this?
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>>97073276
I haven't looked in a while but isn't standard still a turn 3 format where you die to RDW?
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four copies in every deck
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>>97073364
you're the GDW now
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>>97073385
bro hates the graveyard
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>>97072970
Homelands and Fallen Empires had amazing art and lore. They were misexecuted more them anything.
Spider-Man was a failure from conception.
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>>97073364
They slightly toned down monored and UR. You die turn 4 most of the time but yeah. That said, Green can do the same. This is turn 3
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Remember when you had to grind games out?... We will never go back to that time
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>>97073055
I've always liked Space: The Convergence
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>>97073385
>never draw it when I need to
whats the point
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>>97073440
Same, but isnt that the point? In order for it to work the setting has to fundamentally change
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>>97073517
Skill issue. Get better at manaweaving.
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>>97073436
Grinding out games taught me so much about life. Identifying your outs, holding on, not giving up when it gets grim and coming to grips with an impending loss, all invaluable lessons
Thats what I miss about mtg these days
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>>97073734
>>97073747
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>>97073055
Magic can do scifi.
remade image
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>>97073754
>>97073778
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>>97073778
The card layout and fonts are pretty ugly, but there's nothing inherently wrong with using Sci-Fi in the MTG format especially when it's already lost any semblance of a soul anyway. People just hate UB despite already getting "in universe" space ships and bullshit
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>>97072711
>Yes I am a cuck who interacts with things well beyond when theyre clearly no longer for me
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Anyone got some unusual cubes they'd recommend I try? Cubecobra links will make it easy for me to play.
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>one of the most powerful Elder Dragons in Monster Hunter
>is a fucking 6/6
what the actual fuck
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>>97074155
Dies to removal
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>>97074211
Shouldn't it be create a treasure?
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>>97074211
Yeah no shit. You HUNT the MONSTER until it dies.
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>>97074211
Rename it to Kiss of Judas, it's less awkward. The current name doesn't read very well in my opinion.
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>>97074155
Fatalis should also be pure black, BR, or Grixis because it's one of the few dragons that's actually smart enough to be malicious. There's also no reason for it to have anything to do with sacrificing or generating treasure. They should have reskinned Nigger Bolas the Ravager.
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>>97074211
>betrayal
Obedience
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>>97074215
Makes sense, I forgot treasures existed.

>>97074221
The kiss was how he marked Jesus to the romans. Don't need EDH making gay Jesus jokes
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>no worldfire reprint in ATLA bonus sheet

sadge
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>>97074331
should be two non basics tho
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Avatar just came out, it's actually a decent set a fair number of people were waiting for, and everyone is already talking about Lorwyn and TMNT. This is exhausting. It's just a treadmill of looking at the next product.
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>>97072592
Wait this thing is kind of awesome, that's a really fun mechanic. Fuck. Surely they'll print a UW treatment, surely...
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>>97074155
>>97074277
Monhun is tranny shit, no one cares except AAA rehash sloppers who don't belong in magic.
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>>97074391
Worlds and Wild are the tranny shit. Monster Hunter is one of the greatest skill-based video games out there with a nigh infinite ceiling for skill expression and it's more soulful than Magic.
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>>97074369
Jokulhaups destroys all lands while depicting the destruction of the city. So i don't think it's a flavor fail. It's alluding to EDH being the culmination fo MtG's sins.
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>>97074331
I would do something like this instead
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>>97074405
I like this one a lot
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>>97074405
>no islandcycling
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Happy Thunder Junction founding day! The day where we celebrate the complete genocide of all the non sentient cactus folk.
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>>97074416
That art looks better in the red frame.
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>>97073363
There is no testing in any set. The fact that the only bending mechanic that sees any semblance of meta play is airbending should tell you everything. The top meta deck is Dimir Midrange which uses cards from every recent set except Avatar and the avatar card that sees the most play is the badger.
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>>97074506
th-the meta hasn't settled yet...
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>>97074211
>>97074221
>>97074215
A better interpritation
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>>97074391
>Give me "how to out myself as a fun hating contrarian faggot" for 500 please Alex
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>>97074155
thats about how big the og elder dragons were. well they were 7/7 rather than 6/6
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>>97074634
I would argue this for something like Normal Elder, not a black dragon. Fatalis, Alatreon and Disufiroa are not on the same level as normal Elders and the only things that would scale on level is fucking Dalamadur.
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>>97074662
By OG elder dragons i mean guys like Nicol Bolas.
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>>97072592
Princess Yue in my kitchen table Wildfire deck. She works perfectly.
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>Elder Dragons the size of 3 janitors in Capenna
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>>97074706
fair enough
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>>97074862
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>>97073836
Edge of Eternity also feels out of place imo so its not just UB
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>>97074932
>zoomer uses reddit comic to justify terrible design choice from hat plane
This is another card from set. A skyscraper is 7/7 and 3 jannies are 6/6.
You know, once upon a time the statlines were properly associated with creatures of appropriate size. A 2/2 is a bear. A 4/4 is a giant. A 5/5 an angel or dragon. A 6/6 is a titan.
Now because of zoomers like you the game has become powercrept to hell. The zoomers only look at a card and see squirrels. They can't see the relavistic scale that the game spent decades building up on.
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>>97072723
That set's mechanics do need some more time to cook, and racing through a grand prix through three planes in just one set is very anticlimactic, so yes i'd love three sets in the Aetherdrift block.
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>Capenna turned Cephalids into mind flayer humanoids
>Edge turned Kavu into intelligent humanoid spaceship pilots
Next you’re going to tell me a Homarid fried this rice
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>>97074932

15 squirrels after annihilator 6? something about this doesn't seem right.
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>UB never has planeswalkers
I’ve never seen them yet in UB. But it’s just a matter of time until they completely sell out. Maybe Star Trek with the worm hole aliens from DS9? Or Q
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>>97075335
The DnD set had planeswalker
They just aren't printing as many planeswalker anymore
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>>97075335
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>crater-brained retards unironically calling D&D AFR a UB set
And this is why true sword and sorcery died in Magic
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>>97075399
Planeswalkers suck, that's why.
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>>97075425
I would have to assume otherwise, because something sucking does not appear to stop them in any other case.
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>>97075425
You're implying that WotC are interested in player experience, which is a funny joke.
Planeswalkers are being phased out simply because they are the one permanent type that is thematically too tied up to UW. Since UWs are getting phased out, so must planeswalker. Maybe they'll come back after some rebranding as a new permanent type.
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>>97073055
I'm still convinced they made EoE to easy people into space scii bullshit.
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Should I just buy a Quiver Bolt?
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>>97074932
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I fucking hate planeswalker cards. I don't get why you can cast them with just mana and then you get another resource.
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Whenever I play a game of Magic that involves me and my opponent playing different Universes Beyond cards at each other, I die of cringe a bit. "Hey guys, my Freya deck just beat dark lord Sauron (dies of cringe)"
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>>97075399
>>97075414
I never thought of the FR as UB. It's a WoTC IP. The people in my friends group have always kind of thought of D&D as part of MtG. We've used MtG planes in D&D before it was cool.
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>>97075679
Just wait until we start getting more and more slop. More marvel shit. Maybe even a collab with Lego. We got Spongebob and Furbies. At this point having a literal funko pop set wouldn't surprise me, although it would appall me.
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>>97075682
Sure, and in a year you won't think LotR as UB either. Then neither will TMNT. We'll get there.
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>>97075691
>LoTR
No, it's always been it's own thing not owned by WoTC. It was at least a fantasy setting. If they hadn't race swapped so many characters I might have actually liked it. As it is I would rather chop my own dick off and die of bleeding than play that garbage.

>TMNT
HAHAHAHAHAHA, don't be fucking retarded. New York will never be MtG. I await our third return to modern New York to complete the block.
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>>97075708
>As it is I would rather become a Commander player than play that garbage
But anon ... Commander players also play that garbage!
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>>97075715
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>>97073328
Thank you, I will work them in. Do you know if they're worthwhile against D&T? I figure I'd be better off just going for fast kills, especially because he's hard to keep in play against plow, Solitude, Lion Sash etc. I'm struggling to figure out if UG or Bant is correct, but most people seem to be tending towards UG and just getting kills before the white matters.
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>Europeans get to play paupergeddon and eat good Italian food
>Me, an Amerimutt gets to eat goyslop and black penises
Why the fuck is life so unfair?
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Bets on which deck takes the geddon? I'm thinking blue terror.
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>>97075962
>Do you know if they're worthwhile against D&T? I figure I'd be better off just going for fast kills, especially because he's hard to keep in play against plow, Solitude, Lion Sash etc.
I think TNN might be better if you're interested in improving specifically the D&T matchup.
>I'm struggling to figure out if UG or Bant is correct, but most people seem to be tending towards UG and just getting kills before the white matters.
The way I see it is this: the reason to play Bant is improving the quality of interaction available in your sideboard, this is really valuable in a open field because you're never 100% sure what you might face, if you think the interaction available in UG is good enough for the meta you're experiencing, it's not unreasonable to just drop white entirely, you can always reconsider later if that changes.

It also matters if Infect is your only deck, because if you don't have the option to switch decks, Bant will make it easier to adapt to whatever is giving you trouble.
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>>97076073
Jund vs gardens, the match will go on for so long they'll finish on Monday.
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>>97075679
Worst has yet to come anon…
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>>97076340
I mean my first instinct was to put it into a grixis commander deck, so you can have access to shit that benefits from opponents discarding, and you can have Narset so they don't get to even draw, but this looks like it could be really powerful in standard combined with that fire bending ability from Avatar The Last Airbender.
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>>97076340
I'm not playing turtle cards, or playing with people who put turtle cards in their deck.

Simple as
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I want to play ninja turtles vs street sharks in an epic MTG commander duel style death match for all the marbles.
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>>97076409
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>>97076398
Tell me you are a cuckmander "player" without telling me lol
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Guys I know we like to just laugh in the face of the MTG apocalypse, but sometimes I really get depressed at where the game has taken us. I see some old deck in my box with tasteful old artwork and interesting card design that isn't pushed. I see creatures with flavor, spells without training wheels and without FIRE design etb targets to be abused with. I see a cool setting with a fun and intuitive mechanical design and great gameplay. And I wonder, how did it come to this? Will I ever have fun playing a TCG again?
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>>97076428
I hate that faggot like you wouldn't believe, but street sharks hated pizza, and the turtles were all about eating pizza, so this epic battle would certainly incorporate a food fight, just for extra epicness.
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>>97076434
TCGs weren't supposed to be a thing. It came about because alternative board games were getting popular in the late 80s, and Magic the Gathering was made by accident.
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>>97076434
I blame the Cummander crew.
Them and obviously Mark Nosewater.
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>>97076434
The best part is forcing casualtards to face the reality;
You, yes you, the little Timmy, did this.
This is what happens to hobbies when they go from waachads to cucksual cropophages who only care for the new drop fo steaming feces like content because they can't handle the game like adults.
It isn't an "apocalypse" it's an assassination, and the hand holding the knife is a casual's mitt.

Cope and seethe, when you grow up you'll see the light, the gatekeeping of waachads is what keeps games souls alive.
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>>97076468
Truth fucking nuke.
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>>97076468
But Tolarian Community College told me not to buy into WAAC and pay-to-win because... we need to be nice to casuals and new players.
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This card is broken
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>>97076479
This isn't the CEDH general
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>>97076479
I don't play against decks running more than three colors.
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>>97076468
You cant just hecking yuck my yum like that you Nazi piece of shit waac asshole!!!
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>>97076487
I've played Standard decks that run it
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>>97076479
>Aang attacks to firebend
>(Appa/other Aangs/White Sorcery) to Airbend
>(Toph/Haru/Creature enters) to Earthbend
>(Katara/???) to Waterbend
it seems really hard to flip him
think they regret how moonmist is written?
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>>97076492
Any tempo deck will beat 3+ colour decks, right? Maybe except Eldrazi
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>>97076572
4 color decks have access to 3 mana board wipes, good luck.
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>>97076479
>it's literally Son of Omnath
They never fucking learn
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odds of JOTC printing a flash enabler in standard?
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>>97076550
Just cast moonmist and transform him that way. That you don't have to put a bunch of shitty water bending or airbending crap in your deck.
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>>97076677
High Fae Trickster was put into foundations. Or are you looking for something else?
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>>97076677
Never for white, despite Gavin’s kikety lies. Literally, there’s more colorless cards that enable Flash more than White. But as usual, kikes lie, especially when it comes to White.
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This post has convinced me Jews are the Master Race.
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>>97076696
>blue
i dont want to sell my soul tho
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>>97076664

so he makes 2u spell cost nothing?
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>>97076776
correct
anything with one pip and less than 5 mana is free
basically omniscience
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>>97076479
>do all this shit
>shoot the sheriff
Gj
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>>97076782
I realized immediately that the draw was unlimited
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Gavin and Nosewater would sooner chew each others cocks off and gargle them with tobasco sauce while being anally electrocuted to the tune of Yankee Doodle Dandy than ever give White a Flash enabler.
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>>97076794
Unlimited sure; but how often are you going to get more than 2, maybe 3, cards at a time in a normal match?
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>>97076825
Firebending is both common and powerful
Drawing 2-3 cards for just attacking is nuts when you also get manas
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I don't care if it's good or not, making 60+ mana firebending swings make me happy
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>>97076841
I thought this was gonna be the next Proft's Eiditic Memory (etb replaces itself, value engine to win game) but the trigger itself is way too win more to see any real play.
Firebending cards are way too safe because they don't have haste by default so your strategy revolves around t3. But there are way better outputs on t3 (badgermole) which is also more consistent because the mana it makes is permanent.
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So I have decided that I am going to go to the standard event at my lgs tonight. I threw together a pile of shitty cards and I'm hoping for the best.
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>>97076931
Give'em hell!
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>>97076825
>>97076782
>it dies to removal!
>when are you ever gonna do all that shit?
Holy fuck it really is Son of Omnath
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>>97076936
cringekino
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>>97076936
I miss advert like these in old magazines, weirdly nostalgic
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>>97076841
What do use essentially infinite instant speed mana for?
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>>97076964
John Romero is going to make you suck it
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>>97076966
this bad boy
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>>97076841
That's completely fine, there's plenty of shit cards that people have a lot of fun with. Just don't try to act like they're actually super good competitively.
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>>97074391
>no one cares except AAA rehash sloppers who don't belong in magic.
who, sadly, do belong in Magic, especially post-2019, specially post-2024
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>>97074862
6/6 is a bit much but they're criminals, not janitors
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I'm sad, I wanted the dual blades guy with the grand abolisher tag to play in my commander deck.
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>>97076966
or just ping people to death
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>>97076841
>>97076966
if they ever print an X exile draw for red in standard the whole thing will get very silly, very fast
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>>97077152
They did, it's Zuko.
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>>97077183
maybe if training grounds was legal, but 3 mana a pop is too much for digging if you still want to have mana for lethal after you're done
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>>97076987
i don't know boss, I could see this become legit
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>>97077230
He's meant to pay for it with his own Firebending trigger
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>>97077249
Don't worry. I remember when people were saying cuckhold porn was never going to catch on, and now its like everybody's fantasy.
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>>97076664
>This can reduce genetic costs
Huh?????
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Wizard's should really consider doing a DOTA 2 UB to compete with that League of Legends slop.
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>>97077295
They kinda forgot to add the "This effect reduces only the amount of colored mana you pay." line

Small indie company, please understand.
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>>97077323
Why would they need to compete with League of Legends? That shit will be gone and forgotten in 5 years, same as all the other card games based off other media. Hell, their digital CCG came out 5 years ago and nobody cares about it. Even with the current state of things, Magic will still be around 5 years from now.
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>>97077342
You underestimate the amount of bullshit people will do for foil waifu cards.
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>>97077352
Which is the saddest fucking thing considering proxying is so much cheaper.
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>>97077280
I hope that kind porn is just another form of brainwashing and not popular enough to be its own genre. I get step sibling/parent as an organic porn storyline. Then we got our local Thalia poster who enjoys sissy hipno
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I'm trying to build a G/B brawl deck with Camellia and the new cabbage cards. Any basic tips for deck building? Ive never made a brawl deck before
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>>97077352
You overestimate how many people still care about LoL, it's basically a Korean/Chinese game at this point.
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>>97077403
I reckon Riot will throw a shit load of money into the tournament prize pools and you'll see the game flourish. Riftbound will make MTG look like fucking L5R by the time it's done separating incels from their hard earned shekels.
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this might be a bit more serious than previously anticipated
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What was the first coommander bait printed into Standard?
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>>97077425
Yeah, just like how Disney pushed Lorcana and it killed Magic.
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>Opponent goes First
>Opponent goes First
>Opponent goes First
>Opponent goes First
>Opponent goes First
>You go First - one land
>Opponent goes First
>Opponent goes First
>You go First - how about 3/4 of your 4 drops?
>Opponent goes First
>Opponent goes First
>Opponent goes First
>Opponent goes First
>You go First - opponent just so happens to play the perfect silver bullet turn 2
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>>97077520
luck is a skill
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>>97077444
The khans cycle
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>>97076936
Wheres the green one?
Dont tell me they never finished the cycle
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>>97072592
>playing against firebending deck
>they have 6 mana on turn 2
>they have 25 mana on turn 3 and play that enchantment that adds damage equal to X charge counters
THANK YOU NIGGERS OF THE COAST
THANK YOU FOR ONCE AGAIN MAKING STANDARD BOOMING
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>>97077435
>84 fucking floating mana
How is this ok
How is this ok
How is this ok
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>>97077640
erm thats 85 mana ackshually
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What the fuck is a FIRE design? Genuine question.
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>>97077645
Oh nvm this is balanced because most cards are printed in mana factors of 3.
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>>97077444
I'm willing to give some leeway to cases where it makes sense lorewise. Tazri's supposed to be a unifier for all the allies and it's clearly an ally focused card. Same with stuff like all the 5c alara cards or Ur-Dragon, etc. Shit like Golos makes no fucking sense, I don't think there's even lore for him.
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>>97077444
>>97077592
Original Predators of New Phyrexia or the legendary creatures from og Innistrad set&block (Bruna was the most on face).
Commander 2011 was made between those sets. As all new wotc product-formats they put "plants" for those in sets close to the release of the product. But back in the day Commander design was not as brain dead as it is today (they only wanted cool designs not shit engines of card advantage)
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>>97077647
It's design that I don't like.
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>>97077647
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/card-preview/fire-it-2019-06-21
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>>97077435
>>97077640
Keeping track of that in paper Magic must be hell.
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>>97077647
>>97077663
basically this article came out right around the time multiple formats were being raped to death by pushed cards
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>>97074155
>One of the most almighty supreme beings in all of MTG lore
>a fucking 6/6
First time?
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>>97077324
You're gay and bad at magic.
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My beloved wife.
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>>97076479
>draw 1 card payoff for set mechanics that will never be seen again after this set
>will actually transform once in a blue moon when you're already in a spellslinging bender anyway so who cares
yawn
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My beloved...
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Looking at the Avatar collector boxes prices makes me regret only farming 3 Final Fantasy boxes. I was tired and thought spiderman and avatar would make balijions too.

At 400 a pop I don't think its worth to farm the event.
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the UG ouroboroid deck in Standard is the sloppiest fucking shittest most gay list I have ever seen
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dredge is based
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>>97077885
People seeing ouroboroid do it's thing for the first time is always funny.
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lmao
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>>97077885
>>97077919
yes, doubling I love doubling doubling is based every set haha double double double everything all the time yeeeHAW
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Does anyone know if you can chain something to avernas cascade? I want to make a sort of reanimator deck where you can send cascaded cards to the gy and reanimate them.
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>>97077919
It's not just that.
The entire deck is just fucking cancer FIRE vomit.
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Reminder that 8 years of fire design and Gavin’s kike lies about fixing white have never produced anything close to the fire design vomit that every nonwhite color (including multicolor and lands and colorless artifacts) have had in standard seasons past and present which needed multiple bans for them. But I guess everyone else moved on to the next UB secret lair shiny object distraction than be bothered to care about 1/5 of the color pie vanishing from Standard for nearly a decade.
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>>97077942
non-used cascade cards exist in exile and cannot be interacted with. You should have more mana than you know what to do with, just play regrowth effects. Commander cancer that FIREs a broken mechanic.
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>>97078029
>1/5 of the color pie vanishing from Standard for nearly a decade
>implying it's just Standard
Where is white actually getting played?
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>>97078029
monowhite has been the best deck in vintage for a while now though
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post powrful white cards
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>>97078075
She used to be a reanimation target.
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>>97078065
That's not a white deck
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>>97078113
why
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>>97078123
(:
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>>97078123
>Critical Role UB
oh god please no
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>>97078119
It doesn't run any white cards
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>>97078105
That's what creatures should look like.
Not fucking enchantments/sorceries with a body.
Exceptions are allowed of course but they shouldn't be the norm.
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>>97078128
i think you are just mentally ill
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>>97078123
>Naruto Collab
please let it happen
it would be so fucking funny
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>>97078065
>>97078029
Clarion Conqueror, printed this year in Tarkir Dragon Storm. 3/3 evasive body that shuts down moxen and planeswalkers. I have never played vintage but it looks like a coin flip format.
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>>97078168
>naruto and master splinter jump-kicking sephiroth in the face because he's a mentally ill incel who doesn't respect women
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>>97078186
>use thalia to represent the deck
>no thalia in the deck
i know its basically a d&t deck but that still annoys me
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>>97078142
Stfu incel.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=napsUmVTLxo
Ooooh what's the issue? What's the issue tranny janny?
Am I posting off-topic? Am I posting off-topic you tiny faggot?
*grabs janny by the shoulders*
Sorry janny, your board has rotated.
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>>97078142
Where are the white cards?
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>>97078262
Right here.
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>>97078262
in the mono white initiative deck
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>>97078123
And then they said this cunt didn't want to murder magic.
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>>97078123
>someone actually got MaNo to respond to my idea of suggesting the worst UBs to drive away people
oh yeah, it's all coming together
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>>97076936
Who knew that colored people and women were basically living in Nazi Germany when ads like this existed
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>>97077727
this kind of design is both cool and flavorful but is there any way to make this balanced?
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>>97078029
wasn't mono W strong as fuck for a while in legacy due to the dungeon bullshit introduced with the D&D set?
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>>97078362
maybe if you severely up the mana cost or cut the stat line down but even then theres still a pretty good chance its playable
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>>97078362
Needs to cost way more.
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So how do I explain to the store's cute tranny that we going to the cafe is just for me to break down to her that I'm engaged and not available? They're doing nothing but spamming me with stickers and hearts ever since I said we should go drink something after locals
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>>97078466
>Cute tranny
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>>97078466
> her
You're already lost
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>>97078466
You should make her your personal magic the gathering opponent. Just keep it in your pants
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>>97078466
not Magic the Gathering
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>>97078123
> : )
>Naruto
>Invincible
>Critical Role
>HOMESTUCK
MAAAAAAAARK
STOOOOOOP MAAAARK
DONT RUIN MAGIC FURTHER
MAAAAAAAAARK
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WWE might be possible in this timeline.
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>>97078748
It's actually the most magic the gathering post in this thread yet
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>>97078123
can we just go full accelerationism and demand the most ridiculous UBs imaginable so that neurotypicals start to push back
i'm open to ideas
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>>97078946
like what? what could be more ridiculous than pic related into Magic?
teletubbies?
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Prof looking happy for the first time since 2018.
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>>97078946
a set based on twitch streaming filled with real life streamers as legendaries and other cards like "chat raid", "draconian moderator", "technical difficulties", "long-term subscriber" etc etc
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>>97078964
it would need to be something as completely overt as this >>97079007; there needs to be no doubt in the norm's minds that it's an advertisement that they have to pay to view. no artistic element, no subtlety, just hamfisted american pop culture capitalism at its finest
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>>97078946
>accelerationism
dumbest plan known to mankind, has never worked
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Neo Lorwyn's boggart were designed to look friendlier.
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>>97079074
it worked in WoW
it was long said that the only thing that could kill WoW was WoW itself, and look what happened to it after WotLK
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>>97079075
Tragic.
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turn 4, 20 damage
scam vs scam
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>>97079075
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>>97079082
That's not what accelerationism means
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>love blue zenith in legacy
>avatar releases
>a tonne of interesting green cards that provide countless new options for the deck
>but you have to deal with the devil and give into the UB menace
What do? I was just thinking of getting my mother to scribble on the art so the named characters look like generic monks or wizards or something.
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>>97079075
She has swords of revealing light branded on her chin
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Strixhaven will be the set with the 5 commander decks of the year.
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if prof didnt buttfuck that blonde trannie i gonna stop folllowing him
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>>97079129
why are they fighitng a tyranid swarm?
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>>97079172
>why are they fighitng a tyranid swarm?
Why indeed.
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>>97079172
They're Mage Hunters.
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>>97078946
two trannies BTW
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>>97079000
link to his video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IG4ffd0_U0
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>>97078123
we already had spongebob and fortnite secret lairs, but that wasnt in standard.
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>>97077727
Tourist here. This is the 2nd time I've seen people piss themselves over this card. What's the problem with this card and why? Is it just because it's undercosted? Is it just an icon people rally around?
I'd like to understand.
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>>97079201
you can basically cast it for free. Delve is broken,
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>>97079187
>see women
>think of men
You've been on this website too long, homo
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>>97079201
it's just REALLY fun to play with and wotc hates fun
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>>97079210
liking trannies is straighter than liking girls, retardbro
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>>97079201
It's very easy to cast, when in a deck designed for it. The fact that you can cast it from the graveyard also means you never have to draw it into your hand. It also dodged popular removal spells and it just a big body that creates a fast clock.
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Alright I redid this one a bit, does this look okay?
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I don't honestly mind the power creep. I think cards at the power level of nuMagic could be perfectly fine.

The problem is that the cards are badly designed, often with generic effects intended to avoid potential downsides. Delirium cards that are randomly Artifacts and Enchantments for no fucking reason is a perfect example.

I think the current power level of the game is not near its theoretical maximum. But the current power level combined with how terrible the design is, causes problems.
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kill yourself furfag
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>>97079201
Alter of Dementia: You can mill your entire deck by sacrificing hogaak netting 1 card each time, or more cards using convoke. Then it's whatever graveyard recursion works best as a finisher.
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>>97079201
it's effectively a 0 mana 8/8 with trample that can be cast from the graveyard
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>>97079129
Zimone is wotc's pet character with her having 3 new unique cards and another one with another character.
Quintorius is the audience's favorite with him getting 2 new cards one of them a planeswalker.
Dina is part of Witherbloom the audience's favorite school so her only new card is with Zimone.
Rootha is forgettable but part of the LGBTQIAA2SP+ community so she gets to be on Rhystic Study with Zimone.
Killian is an ethnic caricature of child with Tiger parents so he'll be fixed in Neo Strixhaven as Neo Killian.
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>>97079245
You mean this 3?
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>>97079265
Why did you even go through all that work and not vet the list?
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>>97079265
It's like they treated this post as a guide.
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>>97078123
OK WHATS HIS GOAL??
game was and will always be remembered as a "richard garfield game" ascending him to god tier game designer
does he want to make his legacy be the corpo bootlicker that ran a beloved game into the fucking ground? he already made cash, he can just leave and critize from outside, but the bitch keeps going
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>>97079283
I meant new cards legendary cards outside of Strixhaven. They obviously should up a lot in their debut set and outside of it they show up in a group of 5.
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>>97079000
a tranny blowjob will do that to you
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>>97079292
He just want to design cards.
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>>97079075
ugly bastard bros...we are being white wash
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>Dimir Slop vs Simic Slop
Standard is even worse and more insufferable than before how the fuck is this even possible holy shit.
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>>97079322
dont worry you have the infinite gay bear bounce ride
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>>97079322
F.I.R.E will continue until Standard improves
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>>97079237
Also after looking back through the older ones I made I'm starting to wonder if I made this one too strong
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>>97079322
It's honestly hilarious how every time you look at a Standard deck these days there's like 3+ cards you can instantly flag as a huge design mistake.
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>>97079292
>OK WHATS HIS GOAL??
MONEY
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>>97079000
MtG really fucked up with that secret lair. I can't stand the look of secret lair cards in general. Sometimes they're barely legible. I don't even like borderless cards. Cheaper for me at least.
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>>97077663
>FIRE design article comes out
>followed by MH1
>followed by 3 consecutive standard sets with these cards
WotC has a good sense of humor.
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>>97079178
What is the Oriq's deal again? Are they like, magic haters?
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>>97078123
>Adventure time
Unironically I'd enjoy this. Princess Bubblegum should never have been turned into a carpetmuncher though. It was clearly an asspull to satisfy the alphabet mafia.
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>>97079636
They want to usurp Strixhaven. They don't like it gets all that influence and authority on the plane and believe that by blowing it up and killing everyone inside they'll shore up their own, essentially. They also get retarded students who couldn't pass the entrance exams to use as disposable mooks.
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>>97079649
She had a sweaty shirt from Marceline she considered her most precious possession, sniffed and used as pajamas. I don't know how anyone could ever con themselves into believing she wasn't at least bisexual.
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>>97079636
Some of them just hate Strixhaven, some of them want access to forbidden magic, some of them want to blow up the world.
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>>97079129
I can see the new student group being focused on in the main set and the old group getting commander decks (which would mean another Planeswalker commander to annoy people).
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>>97079265
I think Killian has the "we accidentally did a racism" issue and also the issue of just not being interesting outside of the conflict he had going on in the initial STX story. He MIGHT be Liliana's son, though, so there's that.
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>>97079685
It'd mean another Zimone card. She's already got counters, ramp + draw, face down shenanigans and landfall; what ELSE is there in simic for she to do?
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>>97078123
He replies that to a lot of asks of this sort. It means nothing. He'd probably want an Invincible one because it is apparently his favourite ever comic (which is funny to imagine because I cannot picture him enjoying some of the scenes) but it's not really his choice.
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>>97079700
I honestly assume Zimone gets so many cards because the designers keep wanting to do math shit.
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>>97079707
I mean, absolutely no comics fan enjoys 100% of the comics they read. For every comic I adore I can also name a moment of it that I think is the dumbest fucking shit imaginable.
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>>97079700
There's also changing-types shenanigans, copying permanents and bounce
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>>97079715
I'll admit the prime numbers card was a really fun idea
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>>97079129
Is just me or they are making actual MTG products ugly as hell to push UB?
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>>97079769
This isn't especially ugly. It's okayish fantasy art.
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>>97079769
Nah, they're just actually incompetent
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The professor's video about the pro tour tranny is straight up vile. You can literally see the manboobs inside the dress and it's sad
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>>97079776
>the baskin roberts story
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>>97079769
No, you're just racist.
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>>97079799
good old reliable
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>>97079670
>Season 3
Yea, after the woke mind virus took over. Why would the anarchist want to scissor the literal Queen. Makes no fucking sense.

A UB set might have them kissing or other gay shit. I’ve lost interest now.
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>>97079881
>the anarchist want to scissor the literal Queen
Curiously, she started fucking her when she was no longer a queen...
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>>97078964
A full MLP set. Hasbro owns the IP, there's nothing stopping them.
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>>97079917
It’s just a matter of time.
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>>97079917
that will be fucking hilarious not gonna lie.
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>>97079917
>A full MLP set
>followed by a full Invincible set, along with all the gore
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play

premodern
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>your opponent fetches for a pizzaland
>taps anchovy and onions to counterspell you for the win
How do you respond?
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>>97079707
>it means nothing
Retard has been sleeping since M15.
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>>97079322
>Dimir
>Simic
Hmm, almost as if there’s a certain color missing that a certain lead designer promised to help but lied hmmmmmmm
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Remember when Standard Uro decks were beating Modern Jund? The archetypical "Eternal Jund" that now doesn't even exist in Modern? And the Uro deck wasn't just winning, they were straight up shitting on the Jund deck. That year the Pro Tour top 16 had 14 Uro decks. That was 5 years ago. Those decks would have been unplayably slow a year ago when monored mice had Heartfire Hero and the Leyline and Monstrous so you get hit for 40 damage on turn 3.
If all of UB were gone tomorrow, this game is still fucked, and it would take an almost impossible act of will to fix things as they are now.
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>>97080153
>Rips a pepperoni fart in xhe’s mouth
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>>97080208
THE LIFEGAIN WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORAL IMPROVES
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Alright. I hate simic aggro, I hate badger cub, what kills this deck stone dead because I want to play its anti
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>Lurrus won yet another Eternal Weekend
>But it's ok, she doesn't need to be banned despite dominating the format for 1+ years now AND not encouraging vintage-style play
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>>97080330
You can tell WotC is deeply invested in Companion, emotionally. It was MaRo's creation and everyone is probably afraid of shitting on it and giving Mark the big sad. Plus it's embarrassing as fuck that they created the most broken mechanic in the whole history of the game.
That's why when 90% of the meta in every format was Companionslop after 1 week they still said they needed more data and people would adapt. That's why they still allow Lurrus and le epic free elk and Yorion the flying penis to be played.
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>>97080330
>not encouraging vintage-style play
I can speak for a lot of vintage players when I say that nobody wants to go back to the days of turbo combo vs turbo stax, banning lurrus means completely deleting control from the format, if they aren't going to bother restricting (or even banning) a bunch of cards, then removing lurrus from the format is only gonna make things worse

in other words, unless they print a better control enabler than lurrus, I don't expect anything to change
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>>97080354
It's not companion itself but because if Lurrus is ever banned in Vintage it'd be the first to be banned for power level purposes. It simply can't be restricted.
It's brilliant isn't it? Maro made an absolute powerhouse of a card for Vintage with a mechanic designed to bypass the vintage restrict list. He's literally too smart to be allowed to design cards.
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>>97080379
Does BUG not perform acceptably even when it runs Oko? The entire nongreen Ux shell is built around Lurrus I know, but BUG is quite happy to run Frog and Bowmasters alongside Oko, Leovold, Narset etc. If the entire archetype dies when Lurrus goes, that suggests to me that Lurrus is a problem when she is singlehandedly holding up the archetype.
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>>97080394
No, it actually is companion itself. The unerrated companion mechanic was the most broken thing in the history of the game, and even post-errata Lurrus is Vintage power level and people are willing to run 20 extra cards to have Yorion.
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>>97080397
>Does BUG not perform acceptably even when it runs Oko?
non-lurrus BUG isn't a proper control deck, the archetype isn't taken seriously for the most part, it's just a worse version of other decks
>The entire nongreen Ux shell is built around Lurrus I know, but BUG is quite happy to run Frog and Bowmasters alongside Oko, Leovold, Narset etc.
yeah but lurrus is what allows you to keep a hand full of interaction and get out ahead when both players exhaust the first wave of cards, control decks need the card advantage because the proactive decks can just win the game on the spot if something goes unanswered got a turn
>If the entire archetype dies when Lurrus goes, that suggests to me that Lurrus is a problem when she is singlehandedly holding up the archetype.
I'm not arguing lurrus is good design, I'm saying removing it will make things worse if you don't address a bunch of other play patterns, it's not realistic to advocate for one thing happening without the other
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>>97079993
Premodern bros ... reddit is mocking us again
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>>97080543
>>97080543
>>97080543
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>>97080303
>what kills this deck stone dead because I want to play its anti
Oh, anon, I'm so sorry. Hard counterplay isn't FIRE...
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>>97080303
4 day of judgement
4 Ultima
3 Elspeth storm slayer
4 caretakers talent
4 enduring innocence
4 carrot cake
4 overlord of the mistmoors
Sideboard some Pinnacle Starcage for extra control
Cubcancer folds quick to back2back wrath’s followed by Elspeth
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>>97079636
They want freedom of information.
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>>97078105
This is pure unadulterated kino design. This is what all true magic cards should strive for. Instants and sorceries should be powerful, cheap cards that set up the kill, and creatures should be french vanilla beatsticks that deal the decapitating damage.
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>>97079252
How do you cast it repeatedly without extra creatures to convoke?



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