Friends Edition>What is Trench Crusade?An alternate weird history 28mm/32mm tabletop skirmish game still in a pre-release playtesting phase but with the full release slated for this year. Based on the art and lore of Mike Franchina, whose illustrations you may have seen floating around on /tg/ for a several years now, and designed by Tuomas Pirinen, one of the original creators of Mordheim. It's grimdark, it's visceral, it's awesome, and it's very Blanchitsu.>What Trench Crusade is notTC not an excuse for you to discuss IRL religion, history that didn't occur in the game, culture war shit, or discord bullshit on /tg/. Keep it on topic.>What's the QRD on the background?The Knights Templar turned heretic and opened the Gates of Hell when they took Jerusalem during the First Crusade. Over 800 years later the war is still ongoing as technology has developed to a pseudo diesel-punk WW1 standard and a third of Humanity has sided with the Infernal Princes.>How do I get started?All the files are free online:https://www.trenchcrusade.com/rules/They used to be split between the website and the discord, but no more. For posterity's sake, the old mega will still be kept active even if it's unlikely to need updating: https://mega.nz/folder/70QH0BBa#Eg-blxYQKkY_C02wErnFTQ>third party sources for making trenchers:https://pastebin.com/YzXPVUAc>Trench Compendiumhttps://trench-companion.com/>Previous Thread:>>97001075>Thread QuestionHow are your Trench-related adventures going? Kitbashing? Rule reading? Gameplaying? What's up.
>TQTrying to find the time to set up the 3D printer that landed on my doorstep 3 weeks ago. I have a backlog of models I want to print.
Hussite Wars straight up didn't happen because of diverging timeline?
>>97073547No, but the Wars of Triclavianism are the in-universe alternative to the European Wars of Religion.
>>97073387>TQCompanion anon here, the greatest irony is I haven't had much time to play because of time spent working on the app.That said, I'm doing writing for my own warbands I want to run, but without the chance to play its mostly Setup - at least I can avoid choosing which faction to play and just write ideas for all of them.
>>97073567>>97073547To my understanding, other than the war anon said, is the main split is between those who follow the new syncretic orthodox faith (ie, the faith made by the church that allows them to keep making war monsters and accept the existence of jewish and muslim guys running around with powers) vs the Old Ways (a couple trench pilgrim sects, I think one of the NA variants is more this group?).Theres also a thousand random groups that disagree but are individually small enough its not impactful across the setting as a whole (like the crusader knights which have an iscariot order)
Two new lore blurbshttps://www.trenchcrusade.com/lore/temples-of-the-fly/https://www.trenchcrusade.com/lore/hauptmann-frederica-von-goltz/
>>97074565>All those who come to a temple of the Fly are doomed. Once you enter the gates, there is no hope of returning to your old life. Once the sadistic oblates of the Cult lay their hands and proboscis mouthparts onto your flesh, the Black Grail has you for all eternity. For whereas normal victims infected with the Black Grail may hope for the salvation of their soul once their body perishes in combat, those who come to Beelzebub’s fold willingly can expect no such grace.>To remove any trace of their old allegiances, the new members of the Cult are subjected to partial lobotomy, trephination, and brain injections concocted in the laboratories of the vile transmutators of Beelzebub. Others are subjected to shocks to their nerves so violent they provoke thrashing convulsions that are quite literally backbreaking, leaving victims like broken ragdolls crawling on the floors of Beelzebub’s temples in a state of agony and ecstasy.>Everyone has a role in the Order of the Fly, and all are welcome. Most are simply infected with the Black Grail, and join the multitudinous hordes of the Thralls. Others are taken to the underground breeding pens or into the warm, moist incubation grounds, where the enthralled lay down willingly to rot so that the Heralds of Beelzebub can lay their eggs on their decomposing bodies, creating new winged horrors to darken the skies.Ah yes, all "perfectly willing and peaceful" stuff here, Mr. Antipope.
Someone please give me the quick rundown on why every /pol/tard adjacent faggot on twitter is crying about this game at the moment.
>>97075245british people worship muslims and make it to overt in their shitty game that is LE MORALLY GREY CHURCHMAN even though there's literally hell demons raping the planet?gee I dunno man ask tuomas the smurf what he thinks
>>97075245Culture war obsessed retards tried to make the game their tradcath fantasy to spite warhammer, were told to fuck off and take their bullshit elsewhere, and been bootyblasted ever since.
>>97075254I was asking about someone that liked this game, not another deranged /pol/tard that is also seething. Sorry I didn't make that clear.Why do you even care about this shit? I have never heard of it before. Why are chuds so interested in this Warhammer-like?
>>97075282Alright, that makes a lot of sense. Cheers and sorry for bringing that deranged anon to your thread. I'll take my leave now.
>>97075289>sorry for bringing that deranged anon to your threadOh, they're here every thread. Don't blame yourself.
>>97075245>>97075284The funny part is that they're trying to do the "Get Woke Go Broke" meme even though the game just got 3 million on kickstarter and was never non-"woke" to begin with. Literally no one gives a shit about their tantrum.
>>97073387Got another game scheduled in a week with three other dudes, I think I will have my Prussians fully painted by then>>97075284It's fairly new, the game is straightforward and fun, the models look cool, and the lore isn't the worst thing. Plus it's not games worskshop slop
>>97073810You’re doing great work and I really appreciate what you do. Companion is the best list building application I think I have ever used.
>>97073810Godspeed Anon, you are doing God's work. I already managed to introduce a guy to the game through your app
Ignoring the culture war for a sec I have honest questions who is even playing TC? Because I've never heard anyone IRL playing it. Does it not bother you TC guys that the lore feels inconsistent like no real thought was put into it? In fact there are many times where it straight up contradicts itself. Why does the map not show the disastrous result of an supernatural 800 year war between heaven and hell? The map shows little thought was put into the logistics of a forever war. If this supposed to be a massive conflict why is it a skirmish based game? Everything regarding Trench Crusade feels like an interesting concept but half baked. Once you get past the very cool art direction there doesn't seem like much holding it together.
>>97076680No, it doesnt bother me. Rule of cool.
>>97076680I'm only here for the artwork and the lore blurbs explaining what they are depicting. It's like a gallery.The rules are not even a consideration because wargames don't exist where I live.
>>97076827I'm starting to understand why people get frustrated with TC fans now.
>>97074651You mean to tell me a minion of Hell was… lying?!
>>97076680I’m willing to accept that the game and setting are still very much in their infancy and have a lot of potential, but obviously there is fat to be trimmed and a lot to flesh out lore wise. I love evil religions, gross mutants and horrific plagues as fantasy tropes and insects irl, so Black Grail is just great for me. It’s like old school Warhammer Nurgle dialed up a few notches, and because that appeals to me I’m choosing to be patient as the setting and game develop and grow.
>>97076889While I don't really care about the culture war angle of things. I'm very sceptical of TC as it stands. I totally understand all new things have growing pains, but with everything I've seen regarding Trench Crusade they should've done much much more to plan out things. The state of the lore and etc are frankly embarrassing. Tuomas Pirinen has 30 plus years of experience and he let this shit pass?
>>97076852Because we acknowledge there are problems and still like it despite this?
>>97074651There was entire movements in the 80s of people who spread aids and recieved it. I think based on just that I can believe that there are people who would willingly accept being made into a living disease, or at least, there will be people that will convince them that its a good idea.
>>97076947It seems you want a novel to read, and not a game to play.I'm sure you can find plenty of such fiction suggestions on /lit/, rather than the gaming focused board.
>>97076680>I have honest questions(you)
>>97077025I've noticed a certain level of intentional obtuseness whenever someone brings non culture war criticism to TC. I'm someone who doesn't care about the shit throwing match between left & right then decided to take a look. What I'm seeing is a game with half baked lore and content made by supposed vets of the industry.
>>97077113I think it's a case that the people who like it do so on it's strengths as a setting for a game, and not as a storybook.I accept that it isn't a completed project, but I also do not expect a lot from what started as a handful of drawings done for fun and models based on those drawings.I personally wonder where people are getting these lofty expectations from over a game that was imagined as a fun little distraction by a few old guys with some spare time on the weekend.
>>97073387Managed to save my digibashed minis from my computer that crashed. Feeling good I don't have to start from the beginning again.
>>97077113Because that's what it is.As a reminder, the head writer is already working on a separate project with another 'old GW vet' (these 'writers' are a blight on the wargame industry and they just won't fucking die. They exist off the remember berries of Boomers and Gen Zers fooling themselves into thing olde Warhammer was a great game even though it was always shit and an afterthought).TC is a shit game. The lore is half cocked, and despite what it's faggy (often literally fag and tranny) supporters say, it makes zero sense for there to be 'morally grey' on both sides when one side is fucking literally Hell. The fag fan base reaction to anyone wanting American or Asian factions is also bullshit, and Tuomas the dwarf's retarded ass reasoning is pathetic.There are much, MYCH better skirmish games out there that could be supported that ARENT GW adjacent trash, but instead of these games getting some line light it's the absolute SLOP that is Trench Crusade.> What other gamesLiterally go to /awg/
>>97076680There's a real life war going on between the forces of God and satanic forces from the east and the eastern barbarians have only managed to move some kilometers in 4 years.
>>97077223Putting aside the tantrum mixed in and focusing on the subject matter I feel like you're trying to present this as if the point is "Golly gee it sure is hard to tell which of these is the good guy!" and not just that it's a grimdark setting where everything sucks. The demons are more evil. That doesn't make the faithful good. Because the point isn't to be finding a hero but to enjoy a bit of catharsis over some dumb twisted bullshit.
>>97077173>and not as a storybook.Look anon don't pull this obtuse bullshit on me and insult my intelligence. You keep trying this angle about "You want a novel". What I and others want is coherent lore in order to immerse ourselves in the setting like any other tabletop game. Also it feels like they want to do WAY too much, but actually doing very little. More factions? More subfactions? More rules? How about they do the bare minimum of basics first. At first I thought a lot of the issues directed towards TC were butthurt right wing outrage accounts. But after reading more on TC and observing/interacting with the fanbase. I'm understanding now that half of the criticism isn't even ideologically based but just people not having patience with you guys being obtuse about any and all criticism.
>>97077311Perhaps you would be better served accepting that this game isn't for you, and moving on, instead of repeatedly throwing out the same criticism that will take at least 2 years to resolve.You asked what other people like about it, and I answered: the people who like it do so on it's strengths as a wargame with the foundation of a good setting using a period in history that doesn't get a lot of love.Anything after this is really just shitposting. You don't need to like the game, and that's cool, no one has said you are wrong.So... why are you here?
>>97076680>feels inconsistentNot to me. What do you think are the main inconsistencies?>Why does the map not show the disastrous result of an supernatural 800 year war between heaven and hell?Lore does that, and there is little of it st the moment. Map is a map, and shows landscape and borders. Maybe heretics could hold more land, but honestly hellgates gives them way to project power from place no enemy can approach. Except the paladins. Its guerrila war on global scale.>If this supposed to be a massive conflict why is it a skirmish based game?Even largest wars have skirmishes. Skirmish game is easier to get into than wargame. Especially for game that encourages kitbashing, and was supposed to be one hit wonder, before kickstarter success.>Everything regarding Trench Crusade feels like an interesting concept but half baked.I don't want to insult you, but it seems to me you yourself have not given much thought into things.
>>97077113Obtuseness? I answered honestly; I like the game in spite of its issues, acknowledging it has issues narratively. I dont need books behind a game to get invested in it, this is a tabletop game at the end of the day. It needs an appealling aesthetic, a setting that you can follow, and rules. The narrative only sets up the platform for which games can be played.
>How are your Trench-related adventures going? Kitbashing? Rule reading? Gameplaying? What's up.Not far at all, just got into the hobby last night after watching a couple lore vids. Excited to learn, though, the Iron Sultanate looks the coolest and the rule of cool has worked for me thus far.
>>97076680>Why does the map not show the disastrous result of an supernatural 800 year war between heaven and hell?I don't want to be glib about this but it's a stylized drawing of the world made by someone who in universe likely hasn't seen any of the things they're drawing outside of their own country. It depicts the places where Hell as conquered as hell on Earth in the same simplistic style it depicts the myriad complexities of actual terrain. On logistics and the other aspects of the war itself, it's not a war of gaining ground but for the nature of humanity, Hellish forces do not have standardized logistics and can functionally be anywhere that enough of their influence is to open a portal, so no there isn't much ground gained in the sense that we'd recognize in a contemporary war, but that's not the kind of war they're fighting to begin with. While there's a few places where portals were opened and then closed after human efforts to drive the heretics back, and the coastal raiders are constantly threatening wherever they can reach without being obstructed by faithful navies, the demons themselves generally don't seem interested in how much land they own but how much human suffering they can inflict, with a hard limit on how much they personally can do to influence the outcome without the Hammer of God coming down on them. Personally speculating but to me it feels like the foreverwar suits their ends perfectly, because it damns their enemies as much as their supporters. The worse humanity has to become to fight, the more people are polluting their souls to survive, the happier the demons are. If they step it up too much The Almighty slaps them back, but God generally seems to want humanity, having made the choice to open the portals to begin with, to defend themselves against the threat.
>>97077392Welcome aboard, anon.Just know that IS is a primary shooty army, and bigger guns are better guns.They struggle against fast armies and tough ones with good armor spread, tho. Likely the least tuned army in the game, but you start blasting, and things start dropping.I've had success running a core of skirmisher azebs with shotties, shields and bayonets that engage in close range fuckery with big guns in the back.
>>97077359>>97077367>>97077368>>97077421You are some of the most disingenuous wankers I've ever seen. I understand why people don't care for you now.
>>97077490You genuinely dont understand how someone can like something while acknowledging it has problems?
>>97077519Anon, the guy is a shitposter, ignore him.
>>97076680Shitty opinions from an obvious Black Library buying 40K lorefag. >does this not bother you?>does that not bother you?>does the other not bother you?No. What you’re doing comes across as lorefag nitpicking of a game that’s been out for what, 18 months? Calm down, faggot.
>>97077223Clearly this isn’t the game or thread for you. Do yourself and us a favor and just fuck off.
>>97077427>Just know that IS is a primary shooty army, and bigger guns are better guns.Hell yeah, love that shit. >They struggle against fast armies and tough ones with good armor spread, tho. Likely the least tuned army in the game, but you start blasting, and things start dropping.The game's still young. I imagine IS as a tanky defensive army, it's literally an empire based behind massive walls so fortifications are probably their main weapons. >I've had success running a core of skirmisher azebs with shotties, shields and bayonets that engage in close range fuckery with big guns in the back.I'm imagining something like a blitz strategy. That's to say, use the early game to do as much damage as possible, so you're dealing with a diminished enemy in the late game.
>>97077490Feel free to leave, retard.
>>97077490This is (you) right now.
Another thread of me asking about tgram groups with NSFW modelsI want a smut army, but most 10k+ tgram groups ban NSFWSpoonfed me the name of any group that posts nsfw models exclusivelyI won't report I just want the porn
>>97077392>the art is balls on amazing>the minis are substantially less metalI hate this game
While is a bit of wishful thinking, and a LOT early for that kind of stuff, Trench Cruade is not perfect for XCOM/ Mechanicus type game?
>>97078808Sure, the Helldivers 2 devs have talked about adding something in the form of armour/weapons as a collab which I would like to see.
>>97077210its a sign from above (or below, unclear what your army is)
>>97074565> Even worse, sometimes these hidden sanctuaries are found far from Avignon: some have even been found in the lands of the Sultanate of the Iron Wall.Interesting, guess the iron wall is less effective that we thought, great against a straight up army but not as effective against covert operation types.
>>97079275Temple of Metamorphosis has parasite filled bird shit from possessed pigeons infect populations and turn the odd random person into a heretic tool.
>>97076680The only instances of Trench Crusade that annoy me fall into two broad categories:>Really cool theory comes out to resolve a bit of a mistake the creators made, but they doubledown on the mistakeThe Templars not having been the ones to open the gate to hell because they didn't exist at the time of the point of divergence during the first crusade, but having been slandered later on in a variation of history was a pretty cool thought early on that played into events potentially being unreliable...but, far as I'm aware, the most recent official ord from the creators is officially "nope they actually did it".>"Lack of Getting a Second Opinion" momentsPlays into the above, but you sometimes get moments where a bit of lore really reads like a first draft they didn't get someone else's opinion on. That sorta hollowness you get from someone who's studied a thing intellectually but doesn't understand it sorta deal. Or thinks a thing is dumb but is forced to write a believer of said thing, and their mindset leaks in.But these sorts of things are in literally every property. Trench Crusade isn't special for these flaws.
>>97079470>but, far as I'm aware, the most recent official ord from the creators is officially "nope they actually did it".I think the fix was in the timeline we now have >1072: Ominous celestial signs warn of the disruption of God’s plan. Heretical cults multiply. The Order of Knights Templar is established. They set their sights on capturing the Temple Mount
>>97075309The game is objectively both a financial and popularity flop though and BG3 is literally a flop because Trump won in the end.
>>97079893Glad to hear that they did ultimately resolve it. It is still a shame that they went the route of pop culture Knight Templars with that, because going even a bit historic there's a ton of crazy shit you can work with.Like, one of the reasons we have Friday the 13th as an unlucky day is that that was the day that the French king of the time setup in dozens and dozens of letters for everyone across the entirety of France to come down on the order and arrest them - which even today is still the largest police action in French history - and was the root inspiration for events like Order 66 in Star Wars. The final grandmaster of the order cursed the French bloodline when he was being put to death, and during the French Revolution, someone came up on stage after the last king was killed to say that his curse was finished. Most charges against them were fraudulent with only Usury being a true one, and everything only stuck to rip them down because the church was trying to hush up financial corruption because they were using said Knights in order to get around the ban on that.The Templars were expressly based around escorting pilgrims, and IRL did that duty til their end, so the people behind Trench Crusade had the makings of one hell of a tragedy there by having the Templars being flipped to Hell's side because of all this while leaving what really went down in Jerusalem mysterious, if they had instead gone the route of them being the ones who did it being "discovered" in ~1307.Just feels like such an insane miss on their part.
>>97077059Nta, but that's obnoxious and disingenuous.
>>97077368Thats a fair answer, actually. I do think it should be fixed, though.
>>97079275Black grail is a disease. It can be carried within by sultan's own armies. Also I suspect house of wisdom can have outbreak or two.
>>97077826>I'm imagining something like a blitz strategyThat can be difficult because the fast IS units are either wild expensive or not as punchy as you would like them to be.Lions are expensive, but good for getting across the field. Assassin's are 'mwa-ha-ha' tier trollers, but expensive and not punchy enough for their price.
>>97079255Both. There were mainly heretics there, but some antioch minis also.
Hello. I love games of religious horror. How are things going on Trench Crusade? I mean both the ongoing situation in the real worlds and how the game is progressing, the lore and the gameplay.I see a lot of criticism everywhere because they seemingly botched something up with Warhammer fans, but frankly I don't know much of Warhammer either to judge. I was trying to get into it but while I was watching the hours long videos of lore the people at the game store at my locals started printing their own Trench Crusade units too so I really could go either way and frankly I'm more weighted into the side of Trench Crusade. Also focusing on more creative ways to use rudimentary weaponry and equipment from that time period is fascinating.
>>97082767>uhhh what’s going on with TC??How about you read the threads, you halfwit?
>>97082767The lore is for free.The rulebook dropped, game is officially out with models.Shitposters shitpost, per usual.
>>97082283Assassins are a bit undertuned but, that said, I think the alamut variant focuses enough on them that you can get wacky with it.Especially against less mobile factions, you can completely duke around the enemy.
No stl = rugpullIgnore the TC shills
>>97085210>No stl = rugpullIt's a good think they're available then.
>>97077223/thread. Ignore the TC shills in this thread. The finnish midget already took his money and ran. The STL rugpull was the final straw. Many game shops dont want anything to do with this edgy tryhard scam
>>97078956That makes sense, HD2 is about as gay and retarded as TC
>>97085251>Ignore the TC shills in this threadThis is the TC General, you fucking dunce.
>>97085318Fuck off zutt lover
>>97085135A bit undertuned is an understatement. Fidai are pretty much bottom of the barrel. Massive roster restrictions for two extra Assassins and some Trench Moles. And they're meant to be melee focused yet have a total of one bonus to Dash. And their "premier" melee guys best weapon is 2 attack, +1 injury mod so they'll likely just bounce off -2/-3 armour. Absolutely no Fear mitigation either. Funny thing is they actually work best as shooty with a Strong Assassin Machine Gun stacking to hit minuses like the Cloak and the Dervishes doing much the same with Siege Jezzails. And the melee guys are solely there to pick off unarmoured scrubs. Mind you now that all Blast weapons can target the floor rather than a model, most of their defensive tech is fucked now anyway.
>>97085318It's a bot/ESL (same thing basically), anon. It can't understand you. Don't waste your breath on it.
>>97085930mad about that rugpull huh?
>actual retard seething about a “rugpull” that never happenedLel. Anyways, what are you working on, anons? I ordered a custom Plague Knight and a Herald of Beelzebub off ebay, I pretty hyped.
>>97086266yeah, keep that cope on. the stls wont be free and that finnish guy is still a tryhard manlet. go enjoy the zutts
>>97086266>what are you working on, anons?Nothing currently, waiting on my Oathmark Heavy Human Infantry for another project. I guess I'm procrastinating.
Is funny gunkata sniper priest still a thing? I haven't actually checked v1 rules yet
>>97086488briefly wasnt when pistols used melee, but in the 1.01v that was reverted.
>>97086266Waiting for this to arrive, going to make it a warprophet by replacing the head with a capirote or hood.>decide to use the builder someone made here to check out different warbands>TP sacred affliction gets +1 to injury rolls on downed units>give warprophet Miseracordia blade for ignore armour on downed unitsI keep flip flopping on which TP to go with, but this one seems neat for making a warprophet really dangerous. The Cavalcade faction seems neat for that warprophet smite ability but I dont like the lack of communicant.
>>97085210>Ignore the TC shillsBro you’re in a thread for people who like Trench Crusade
>>97086354>The GW taint licker who’s just in here because he feels threatened by Trench Crusade reveals his true formHow do Gav Thorpe’s balls taste, fag?
>>97086788SA is up there as one of the best warbands in the game. The lack of capriotes is a downside, but the benefits they get in return are great. TP are already a close range/melee focused faction. So unlocking multiple Strong models, the AT Hammer and ducat costing Impervious armour really plays to their strengths. I mean Wrath of God Martyr Penintent was so powerful, they had to do a specific nerf for it.
>>97087059Sounds good. I actually like the idea of the wrath of god martyr being a little protagonist character. You have a 25mm base unit that you only get one of, that you try to get to elite status so it can surpass your actual elites.
>>97087128Just be aware that they're really up there in terms of power level. As in people very well may find them oppresively strong, and not fun to play against in a similar vein to Prussians or Naval Raiders.
>>97087150Could you explain how they are oppressively strong? I dont like the idea of using something that would annoy people I play with because its busted.Im looking at what Ive got and can use and it looks like despite being decent in melee, they dont have much in the way of shooting at all. I get that the martyr penitent could be strong, but its also expensive for a non elite, you basically double the cost to buy a +1 melee that has -1 to injuries non elite.Comparing to HLs annointed, its roundabouts the same cost, but the annointed have strong, +1 melee AND shooting, and -2 armour included in the cost, and they get access to the HL armoury so can use a MG, anti material rifles and grenade launchers. TP SA only gets the punt gun for heavy shooting.
As a lore enjoyer, the latest drop was cool and disgusting. Otherwise, I've been contemplating the door a lot.
>>97087207You're never really going to be going shooting heavy with TP anyway, they don't have the profiles/armoury to do it. So taking a hit to that and supercharging their default gameplan of marching up the field to engage in melee isn't really a detriment. TP also have a great amount of synergy in terms of healing, damage prevention to key models and generally being able to get up the board without being blown away. SA only exacerbates that with ducat costing Impervious armour and AT Hammers sprinkled onto fast mobile troops like nuns. And comparing anything to HL is always going to be a bit tricky as they're the best baseline faction in the game. They can turn their hand to anything except close quarters shooting. But then again Naval Raiders solves that at the cost of reducing their long range proficiency.
>>97087630That sounds ok, I thought there was something actually busted mechanically. It just sounds like the melee focus faction does melee good and falls off at range, which is a fine tradeoff. My friend is playing NA, and another is playing the HL ghosts, or something with serpent I think. Its probably not going to be a curb stomp.
>>97087663My IS warband would absolutely stomped by such a warband, due to my weakness in melee and how fast TPs can move across the field.
>>97087981Kind of how it goes with IS, they're really not in a great state for the most part. Fidai and vanilla IS are pretty much the bottom two. Defenders can make a game of it if their super accurate Siege Jezzails can nail some important targets. Otherwise they fold like the others.And HoW are actually in a decent spot, mostly because they can plug the gaping holes in the IS armoury. But also that Homunculi while pricey so very well in a protracted campaign. And that there isn't much "fat" in terms of their profiles.
>>97087981Seems like thats just the way of IS, theyre very shooting focus. Once you have enough to afford it and slap those siege jezzails and alchemical ammo on everything you can outrange and shred enemies even with azebs.
>>97085946How have I've been rugpulled when I've spend zero(0) dollars on this game?
>>97086960>>97086973t. copego enjoy your creepy finnish manlet
Arent alot of FLGS' banning this game? or atleast not offering any support? is it because the lack of in-store shit they can sell?
>>97090834Sounds like a load of shite someone made up bcause they didnt know they just started producing plastic ranges, they do have stuff to sell now.
>>97091054are any physical stores actually carrying stuff? do the TC team have retail agreements now?
>>97091072I dont know, Im focusing more on the part where you said TC is being banned from stores because they dont have a physical product in, thats nonsense. Thats like people who say "i got kicked out for using resin print models", they are lying. Most stores dont even have historical stuff or basically anything that isnt Warhammer, they dont ban the games and players because they dont have the product on the shelf lol.
>>97091102Hmm thats not really true. BT, FoW, DnD, Infinity etc all have physical stuff in most stores. TC has nothing
>>97091113Yea but not Bolt Action, Hail Caesar, MESBG or Frostgrave etc.The abscence of those models on the shelf doesnt mean they have banned the games associated with them, that is complete nonsense lol. TC just put out its first kit. What are they going to do, have a whole wall of just the one model kit? Give it some time.
>>97091156Show me any retail store selling a TC product
>>97090834According to whom/what?>>97091156It's a shitposter, anon.Ignore them.
>>97091241>shitposterDude just give up, people have legit questions and concerns about this game, you just keep trying to shut down any problems with TC
>>97091164https://travellingman.com/collections/trench-crusade/miniatures-game?srsltid=AfmBOopVAfjOmZjZ9uQv-oXE4yv9i8KDCxKP5U3O7Ny7lu5va3iaXd0RBut thats not the part I care about with what you said anon, you said the game was being banned. Thats nonsense. There are games that dont even have model ranges or are model agnostic and people play them. I feel youre maybe worrying about something you shouldnt. Besides that, its a campaign game, I imagine it will only take off if they move to wargame scale. As with campraign skirmish games you only need like 2 boxes and your entire army is done, they arent going to stock shelves with this stuff when kitbashing/3d prints is what most people are doing for it since its not strict on official models.
>>97091258>unverified and unsourced rumors about the game 'flopping' are 'legit concerns'The only game I have ever seen or heard being banned from a lgs is Yugioh.This is nonsense shitposting.
>>97091072>are any physical stores actually carrying stuff?Theres nothing to sell so far. The only physical product outside the kickstarter is the Stosstruppen box which is in pre purchase only.
>>97091314T. Shill or that manlet toumas
>>97091258Screeching about Tuomas Pirinen’s height and repeatedly saying ‘rugpull rugpull rugpull’ isn’t “legit questions and concerns” you fucking trolling spastic.
>>97090834Not banning but probably not supporting. No product to sell and too much tryhard/edgelord vibe. The video from the Sydney incident too wasnt a great look
>>97091406There's a video now? You got a link? "It was in a reddit thread/We posted it in our discord" doesn't count.
>>97091415Do you have nothing better to do with your day than act like a fucking decerebrate?
the "edgelord" energy of TC seems like a major obstacle to shoppes carrying it, especially since pretty much all of them need to cater to kids and family shoppers. i wouldn't carry it if i had my own store
Jerome Blake would shit all over DitchJihad
>>97091406>>97091477How is it different to decades of how 40k modeled itself, or decades of WoD? This seems a weak argument.
>>97091498theres a huge difference between a Titus cardboard cutout and some retarded DitchJihad "LOL HE HECKIN JESUS BABY FETUS CANNON RAPER LAUNCHER HEHE" edgelord shit. faggot
>>97091524They'd probably just put the black woman with a cross up instead lol. You should take your concern trolling up a notch and try to protest the game outside your lgs.
>>97091653>black woman with a cross lmao that is their mascot right? haha can you imagine a black woman even walking into a game store? lmao maybe to shoplift or throw 'knucks with some bitch topkek
>>97091445I don'tbut I might one daytuomas will always be a midget though
Knuck if you buck boy
>>97091671>lmao that is their mascot right?No, she's just one of the many pieces of art for the game. The game doesn't have a mascot, you've just focused on one piece and placed undue significance on it.>can you imagine a black woman even walking into a game store? One works weekdays running one of my LGS.
>>97091733>One works weekdays running one of my LGS.yeah right faggot. where do you live? Redd1tville?
>>97091760I live in the real world, where she and her egyptian husband run a store. The real world is not the same your nogaems world that only exists in your head.
>>97091760>where do you live? Redd1tville?You really showed him with that zinger
Leaving aside the Arch dickrider brigade, I was wondering if anyone's had a good experience printing the models in plastic? Resin is a no-go for my current space.
>>97091769You really showed that chud>And that black woman's name? Albert Einstein
>>97091689Tuomas can’t help his height, but you could choose not to be a worthless piece of shit. Why don’t you?
>>97091778>printing the models in plasticYou mean sending the 3d scans to a CNC miller in China to get a die cut (~$3000-$5000), then assuming it’s not fucked, using a $10k inline injection molding system to make plastics? Yeah, uh, no.
>>97091808I can shit on anyone cry about it
>>97091778Yeah no. Shut up pussy and breathe the fumes like a man
>>97091819I meant printing them in PLA on a home printer. Apologies for the lack of clarity.
>>97091778Arch really lives rent free in your heads huh?
>>97091778I just pay one of my friends in material to print the stuff I wantThe guy who set up our league has done the same for people in the past
>>97073824We also have stuff like issues with the Red Brigade and the Sniper Priests not operating in africa.
>>97091835There was a guy who got what looked like a PETG or PLA print of an Amalgam from the Chinaman here a few threads ago and it was awful. I have a friend who prints PETG with a .2mm nozzle on a Bambulabs A1 FDM and they’re not bad.
>>97076680>the thread's resident mapfag pretending to Just Ask Questions
>>97091689>*blocks your path*I gan relieve you of that virginity, if you are villing to fuck my vife while me und my business partner vatch.
>>97092614Who is this boogieman that you're trying to equate to me? So anyone who remotely criticises anything related to TC is either>ArchWarhammer fans>This Mapfag anon>Black library fansAt what point do you not realise that the problem might just be you guys and this extreme reaction to anything less then impressed with TC? I know I'm yelling into the wind and whatnot. Trench Crusade's fanbse has done a better job at turning me off then any rightoid influencers ever could.
>>97092807You are a rightoid. You are probably an arch viewer. You've been doing agitprop in TC's threads for weeks. You're the one mental deficient who comes here obsessed with the map.Do you think the "I'm just a reasonable guy asking Questions, but all you super weird sweaties are kind of driving me to the dang ol' right" act actually fools anyone, faggetti?
>>97075309Lmfao.Imagine wasting your days even being remotely aware of this nonsense.
>>97092857>You're repeat buzzword!Went and proved all the points I made in my post and then some. I'm not even right wing I'm just a guy who took a look to see how silly those guys were being about it being "woke". But I found genuine things to critique about TC as I read more about it.>How does Hell maintain navel dominance or supply-lines without holding more land or that the faithful have Jets-planes? >How the fuck did they clone Christ?>Anyone whose read the Bible is wondering how the hell that works >Why does Islam still exists if there are guys who can make limited talk god in Rome?>So much of the lore has no thought and is grimderp>STLs being fundamentally flawed and having uncured resin in the printed minis that were sent out >A year on and a lot of backers still haven't gotten anything >Shilling plastic kits (I understand this part) while the original backers are still holding their dicks for their printed kits>Dropped 3rd printing for the most part (Like I get it as it's easier to get it out) when they boasted about how important it was >First TC plastic is Games Workshop tier expensiveThese are all legitimate critiques and ones that you flip right the fuck out on anyone pointing these out. The screeching at people who aren't blind fanboys does nothing but make people not want anything to do with you lot. Want some actual advice? >Do a full rework of the lore to make it more coherent>There's being edgy/Grimdark and there's Edgelord/Grimderp and TC is too much of the later then former >Make the logistics make real sense as 800 years of war shouldn't have these illogical logistical errors >Have a better understanding of the religions they are basing the setting off (I'm not even Christian or Muslim and my atheist ass can see the glaring holes) >Don't charge Games Workshop prices as a reason why people went to TC and other games was that they got sick of paying so much for GW plastics after so long Well there you /trench/.
>>97093013The lore is my biggest gripe and my favourite part at the same time, everything that is there is cool on it's own but it feels like a clusterfuck when thrown together. It's very much the writers thinking of a cool concept and immediately writing it down and including in the universe without much thought. All the lore we have is from the perspective of the Church as well, which is the authors lazy way of getting away with inconsistencies or a way to rewrite certain aspects later. There's also a lot of pieces missing, it would be cool to have different in universe sources on events, like the caliphate and later china.The pricing is fucked, I was hoping for the Prussians to be cheaper, I really hope the next few boxes cost less. Theres no reason to buy minis at such a price when the game is still so new and has very few players.I have no idea about the backers and STL's. I still like the game, it's very underbaked but there's alot of potential for the universe and the gameplay.
>>97093013>How did Portugal/Spain/England/the Netherlands maintain naval dominance or supply lines?>Communion/the eucharist is literally the body and blood of Christ through ceremony according to some catholics, rule of cool translates that into grimdark Christ cloning factories or whatever.>Islam, like Christianity, is abrahamic. They share origins.>Rule of cool, pedantic minutiae is not cool, and not every autistic query deserves an answer.I just realised you're gay and I don't care to keep answering. Thank you for reading my retarded little blog post anyway.
>>97093013Can you not think about the lore for two seconds before you call it stupid? Some of your "legitimate critiques" are just asinine kvetching. FFS, your very first question on heretic naval superiority is answered by the Heretic Fleet, its Behemoth Ships, its monopoly on submarines and dedicated naval raiders, and the vast stretches of coastal land they control across North Africa, the Middle East, Asia Minor, the Balkans, and Gibraltar. Acquire literacy or leave.
I bought the plastic prussians, the sprues look sharp. Why are printniggers mad about them?
>>97093122You might be the first logical person I've met here and can handle criticism. If they smarten up within the next two years then perhaps they can turn it around. >>97093160>>97093419>TC fanboys can't actually form proper rebuttalsWhat next will you call me a far right something again?
>>97093122I consider the boxes for the major fans, I have no intention of buying that stuff even though I play the game. its like if Trunip made official models, it sortof undermines one of the biggest appeals of the game, which is making your own stuff. The setting for this makes it really easy to make stuff for it in terms of kitbashes and using those resin models you liked the look of but never had a game to use them.The bigger stuff is the ones Im waiting for as those can be hard to make yourself.
>>97091524You seem upset
>>97092807>Crusade's fanbse has done a better job at turning me offFrankly, the game and ‘fanbase’ is better off without you. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass.
>>97073387>TQNobody at the LGS near me is interested in playing Trench Crusade. We have historicals getting games there and WarmaHordes (2nd edition) is still getting games and the 9th Age Fantasy Battles community birthed when Warhammer Fantasy Battles got End Times'd is still going somehow, but nobody wants to touch Trench Crusade for reasons I'm not sure. I didn't press for a reason on the LGS's Discord server.
>>97095171>playing campaign games at LGSs.You probably dont want to have a friend to play with with these kinds of games, not randoms.
>>97095197Im a retarded phoneposter; You WANT a friend to play with instead of randoms. campaign games are made for multiple sessions over a long time, they dont quite work for one off games or one game after another. Youre going to want a boomer dungeon with a table set up that you keep coming back to like other campgaign games.
>>97091671>throw 'knucks with some bitchLmao
>>97094803Not helping your case of being volatile wankers who lash out at everyone.
>>97095433Reacting negatively to one or two bad-faith posters who constantly shit up every thread with the same concern trolling points is hardly ‘lashing out at everyone’ you hyperbolic drama queen.You don’t like Trench Crusade? That’s fine. Perfectly okay. You keep coming into the threads to pick fights because of it, and then cry like a little bitch when people take you up on your offer. Are you malicious or just unfathomably stupid?
>>97095433You came into the 4th or 5th thread in a row to cry about the game you've become personally-invested in not being successful. YOU'RE the one lashing out, finnochio.
>>97095433The game is just not for you it seems, its ok. People know there is problems, you keep dismissing this while people keep saying it. People like it in spite of that anon. It literally just hit 1.0, give it some time to ion out the setting more.People happen to like where its going not just where its at. Its a neat concept and people are interested to see where it goes, while youre shouting "the dates in the lore dont make sense and I dont believe people genuinely like this game" as people are making their own models and anticipating new factions. Its rule of cool. You are more concerned with the string a painting is being hung on over the painting itself, its not that its not important, its just not the thing people are actually interested in and are willing to throw the game out over. The writing could be objectively shit or even non existant and it wont change the fact that the theme and the designs are cool for a tabletop game, which is the thing people are interested in the game for.
>>97095697Man, Bonner is such a fucking legend. I hope he has more art in the rulebook.
>>97092331>the Sniper Priests not operating in africaExplain?
>>97095830The variant for Abyssinia, which is based in North Africa, dont get access to Sniper Priests because that sect 'doesnt operate' over there. Unclear if this is a theological dispute or just their base of operations/training being in one location.
>>97097722I thought it was stupid hard to get over to Abyssinia, and only warriors from Abyssinia could get out.
