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TQ
>>97080543>TQWoTC announcing they’re ending UB. Secret lair of the banned 7 with even more pRoBlEmAtIc artwork.
>>97080543Post your reaction to nuWOTC
>>97080658that is a hollow hope indeed
>>97080303>what kills this deck stone dead because I want to play its antiOh, anon, I'm sorry. Hard counterplay isn't FIRE.
>>97080709Well the one on the right is a mythic rare, no?
>>97080681It will 100% not happen but a man can dream.
>>97080709earthbend is too strong with fetches and wasteland. destroying two lands or fetching two duals is insane.
>>97080709Cub is strong but that's a sidegrade. Part of Nissa's strength was being able to make a threat every turn, even if you had nothing to ramp into. Plus cub asks more in deckbuilding, nissa worked well even in 2c or 3c decks.
>>97080669if only it were trample or flying or ward
>>97080543I’m so excited for the upcoming TMNT spoilers, fellow Magic and UB enjoyers!!!TURTLES FOREVER!!! TURTLES FOR EVERYONE!!!KAMIGAWABUNGA!!!!
>>97080784post something new and useful
>>97080774Cub sees play in Modern Yawgmoth and Legacy Cradle control, both golgari decks.I understand what you mean but the cub being at 2cmc is a whole different power level. It is relevant in eternal formats, unlike Nissa.
>>97080797I wish there was more spoilers anon but don’t worry soon we all will enjoy the power of turtles!!!
Premodern: REAL Magic
>>97080797But it is useful for making fun of ub
>>97080543in all seriousness is something to be excited about 2026? for real…
>>97080784At least use another card. I’m sure there are plenty of terrible TMNT cards. It’s just getting stale.
>>97080893Lorwyn seems neat. Strixhaven had nice looking lands and spells, though everything else was kinda trash. Other than that nah its over. Maybe Hobbit if it goes in Silmarillion.
Lorwyn look at the revealed cards so far is going to be a relatively low powered set which is quite tragicAfter printing pushing more and more alternative cost cards they decide to backpedal and make worse evoke.It might be a good idea to depower mtg but it just condemns Lorwyn into a feels bad set leading into a seemingly higher powered Turtles set.
>>97080893I'm excited for Brunt, FCA.
>>97080910TMNT makes me irrationally angry. I hope its a trash set like spiderman.
>>97080859Well that's because cub is way better at ramping, not going to disagree there. Nissa is better at other things, it just so happens those other things aren't as important as being 2 cmc and the ramp in eternal formats. Anyway, I think the better comparison for cub is to Kinnan. Both 2 drops, but cub doesn't require U, is nonlegendary, and it creates its own mana dork. Kinnan meanwhile has the upside of boosting noncreatures and providing a mana sink. A better showcase of powercreep.
>>970806864 day of judgement4 Ultima3 Elspeth storm slayer4 caretakers talent4 enduring innocence4 carrot cake4 overlord of the mistmoorsSideboard some Pinnacle Starcage for extra controlCubcancer folds quick to back2back wrath’s followed by Elspeth
>>97080912They need to put his entire face on a card.
>>97080303You have three options Build a deck that can spam removal Build some kind of meme flier deckTry and out aggro them with something like white weenie or firebending.
Is the protection effect on this too strong?
>>97081020It folds like hell to monowhite enchantment aggro. Seam Rip and Sheltered By Ghosts slurp up the badger or Jackal and they're left to contemplate their decisions. Then you fly right over their ouroboroid.
playpremodern
>>97081139What is the best way to play pre-modern? Constructed maybe, or a cube?
>>97080776for flavor, it needs islandwalk
>>97080543Hoping: cute elven girls with tiny horns; expecting: obviously male elven legends with she/her pronouns
This, but Universes Beyond and Modern Horizons
>>97081263I would literally find MaRo and high five him
>>97081263weak sauce
so when are they gonna play the card "we ban this card only because of previous banned cards that could've been the answer but the community wanted them removed from the format without knowing what was coming"and essentially put the blame on whiny players?
>>97081433Have you really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
>>97081172Please forgive our enthusiastic but retarded Premodern spammers. They are finally having fun in a format so they spam without actually answering questions, posting engaging content, or being normal. The former CRVSADE/treefolk spammer was also a nogamez dipshit and has either stopped avatarfagging or stopped postingThe best way to play Premodern is constructed. Cube is fine and fun, but decks will be much worse and strategies won't line up as well compared to dedicated decks. If you have a group of friends but don't have a Premodern scene, you can proxy or build yourself a battle box of decks and get people to play. If you're looking for games, there is a webcam league, an MTGO league, and regular tournaments hosted throughout the NA, SA, and Europe. Any city with a current or former Legacy or Old School scene will have a Premodern scene, so check with your locals. The biggest places for PM are definitely US coasts, Sweden, Spain, Czech, and Brazil. Yes, the Brazil memes are pretty funny
>>97081263>>97081284*Burps out Consign to Memory*
>>97081191Anglerfish?
>>97081498I have a playset of goblin lackeys and sharpshooters from an old goblin deck. Might make a goblin deck. People appear to have splashed green for naturalise. Any idea what that’s about?
When will you mentally ill incels understand?MAGIC WAS NEVER YOURS.YOU VILL GET ZE NARUTO SET.YOU VILL PLAY WITH THE PIZZALANDS.YOU VILL PLAY BAGELS AND SCHMEAR.YOU VILL USE MASTER SPLINTER TO KICK SEPHIROTH IN THE FACE.YOU VILL PLAY PETER PORKER.YOU VILL PLAY JEFF GOLDBLUM.YOU VILL SAY YOUR PRONOUNS WHEN ASKED UND YOU VILL RESPECT THEM.YOU VILL SAY SORRY FOR THE WAGE GAP.YOU VILL TAKE THE VAXX.YOU VILL BUY THE $1000 BOOSTER PACK.YOU VILL GET MONITORED 24/7.YOU VILL EAT ZE BUGS.YOU VILL PREP ZE BVLL.YOU VILL CHERISH THE RICK&MORTY SET.YOU VILL GET THE UGLIFIED WOMEN.YOU VILL GET ZE AVATAR DEMONIC TUTOR.YOU VILL GET ZE FEMINIST FAITHLESS LOOTING.YOU VILL GET CHANDRA WITH A MASTECTOMY.YOU VILL GET THE WAKANDA MULTIVERSE.YOU VILL GET ZE FASCISM SET WITH BLACK VIKINGS.YOU VILL SAY "thank you lurris".YOU VILL GET EZIO AUDITORE FIGHT TO DEATH WITH THE NINJA TURTLES WHILE GERRARD WATCHES FROM ZE CÜCKSTOOL.ALL TIME ENGAGEMENT WITH THE FRANCHISE.MAGIC IS FLOURISHING.MAYBE THIS PRODUCT IS NOT FOR YOU?HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT MAYBE YOU'RE THE PROBLEM?YOU ARE NOT WELCOME IN OUR GAME.
>>97081172I went the battle box route. My decks are a collection of standard decks from different eras and some block constructed with a one or two out of set cards. My personal cut off is shards of alara, turn 3 bloodbraid elf cascade into blightning, gross. My kithkin list has access to pick related for an extra boost. I've done the same thing with pokemon tcg.
>>97081848Turn four bloodbraid isn't as gross as what i was doing in modern. I thought they would have run noble hierarch. Maybe I'll change my mind, but I don't space for more decks at the moment.When MH2 came out. I was running ponza. Turn one, arbor elf. Turn two, utopia sprawl into bloodbraid elf into tireless tracker, with a land and inferno titan in hand ready for turn 3. Then my opponent pitches omnath to fury, and ephemerates fury. Completely wiping my board leaving him with a 3/3 double striking body. That was the day ponza died
>>97081813We either get woke garbage or UB shit. It’s like they’re intentionally shitting up their own IP to prop up UB. Or more likely are just being blackmailed by the alphabet mafia. I wonder what dirt they have on Maro.Or maybe Squenix and Capcom just don’t want WoTC’s hatred of their fans damaging their brand.
What would the 1-st Pro Tour's metagame look like if it was played with today's rules and knowladge fot he game?
>>97081888>I wonder what dirt they have on Maro.He's a jew, all jews have to listen to the jew hive mind
>>97081890>Hmm should I play Island or ... <30 years' worth of mtg knowledge flood the player's mind> ... a fucking pizza land? And then he concedes
>>97081048In general the self-protection is the weakest part. Removal under 3 is the most frequently played.
>>97081888>I wonder what dirt they have on Maro.I wonder what dirt they have on maro...I wonder what dirt they have on maro...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bEZQ00OOxY Bro.... maro is the dirt...
>>97081890It would have more aggro decks and everything would more fine tuned in general since they would actually know what a mana curve is
>>97081890Apparently some people were running 61 cards so they could tear up chaos orb and completely wipe the opponents board once a tournament and still have a legal 60 card deck after. The fourth place deck has 66 cards So people would have slightly more consistent decks.
>>97081935Would a WR agro with Savan lion and Bolt win against a WU control with counterspell and recall?Would healing selves unironically be a sideboard tech in an aggro meta?
How do I get better at drafting bros, I bombed 0-3 with pic rel at bronze tier 3. It's not like I haven't drafted before picking up the game again with avatar. I had two bombs, Iroh and Aang which I drew reliably, on curve in all 3 games but I still lost every single one. https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7484111
>>97082062Maybe, maybe I could've gone rakdos since I noticed during first pack that black was a free color since I got Zuko conflicted in my 8th+ draw and red was free but I had opened Iroh earlier and got Aang with my 2nd pack. It wasn't even a case of mana screw, I think I just calculated the value of Iroh and Aang wrong, neither of them closed games and Aang wasn't good enough to protect Iroh alone
>>97081813>trans faeries that think they are kithkinsLmaoMajor L there Maro, rule #1 is not morally grandstand against something thats kinda funny, find a much more unhinged post
>>97081813Is he actually implying trans overexposure isnt a top down phenomenon?
>>97082142To be fair, it's possible other WotC employees are the ones selecting for troons and MaRo jsut beleives this currated selection of spotlighted freaks is actually a random sample
>>97080543Is airbending shit? I can't think of how to use it in a competitive deck.
>>97082150all bendings are shitbest bender is badgermole which is in a t1 deckaang infinite loop is like t2-t3 deckother bendings do not see play
What about badgermole cub?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv17TEXx804
>>97082150nigger there is a literal infinite thanks to the gay bear
>>97080543>>TQ>Now that Avatar is old news, what are you hoping to see in the upcoming spoiler season?Something that looks like old mtg.>>97079000>>97079191Funny that he is calling them out on the retardation of making the most retarded and slop product they can think, something that anyone here do all the time.BTW gross end of a video.>>97079600holly shit I can't even read what the card does.>>97079731I miss the wall rule.
What are some win conditions for this lil guy? Fill him in a deck with ability creatures (lifelink, deathtouch, first strike, flying, etc)?
>>97082062>>97082080You are overvaluing the rares, build around the commons instead. Zhao and Yue are not good for draft. Also having zero one drops and only 4 two drops sucks ass.
>>97082279>Fill him in a deck with ability creatures (lifelink, deathtouch, first strike, flying, etc)?Anon. Read the card. It is not secret lair unreadable.>"Koh has all ACTIVATED and TRIGGERED abilities of the last chosen card."Activated abilies:Are abilities that have a cost followed by a " : " then an effect.exemple >Pay 1 life: Choose a creature card exiled with Koh.Triggered abilities:Are abilities that comes with a "When" "whenever" "after", etcexemple >When Koh enters, exile up to one target creature..I hope this helps you, fren
>>97082279It is mostly a bigger Ravenous Chupacabra. The rest of the text doesn't matter; too many hoops to jump through.Better creatures to res in standard too. Just an awful combination of effect and cost.
>>97080893
>>97082062Would need to see the rest of your deck/pool. Do you even have 23 nonlands? Aside from that, you should focus more on synergy rather than individual bombs. There's no reason to splash for Yue, messenger hawk isn't worth it either. Just follow the aggro plan, add some 2 drops so you can reliably hit face early.
>>97082387Would people ITT rate my drafting skills if I posted a replay?
>>97082460Probably, yeah. Also consider that drafting is only half the battle, you need to be able to competently pilot your deck too. I see a lot of people on Arena fuck up simple decisions.
>>97082481Well I'll draft and post a replay when I get around it.
>>97082150It's a retarded combo engine mechanic
>>97081917My original plan was just to give him skulk but I'm not sure that would fit with white.
>>97082538Amrou Kithkin is from legends and has proto-skulk, skulk fits in white
While this is mainly stemming from a commander complaint, I do legitimately wonder just how much the card art department and gameplay department talk with each other
This is beyond broken. I'm guessing it will get banned soon.
>>97082557Thanks, thats much more in line with my original idea for him.
>>97082608Why?
>>97080893Honestly star trek is shitty ub but is the only thing im even mildly interested in Unless the actually hit lorwyn out of the park but we will see
>>97082617You can easily win on turn 2 or 3 if you run it with Gruul, specifically Break Out, Primal Might, and Ouroboroid.
>>97082629All that, and being a mana doubler for basically free
>>97082608>everybody hates UB>KOTC prints broken shit in UB to warp the meta and convince tards to buy them in order to stay competitive>KOTC then uses the sales data to point and say “see, people love UB!”>eventually ban the broken shit months later>doesn’t matter since KOTC already made their shekelsBehold the 5 year future of Magic. Get ready for captain Picard to break the game next year.
>>97081475I know I wrote that comment high but I still can't decipher what this one says
>>97080543>MDFC where the front face is a modal evoke and the back face is a utility land>Sagas where one face is the Lorwyn version of the story and the other face is the Shadowmoor version and they flip to the other side and reset to 1 lore whenever they reach the final chapter>more """"Kindred"""" cards with usable effects so I can grow my Goyfs
Why did WotC thought this character would catch on?
>>97082686I am loot.
>>97082629take me through a t2 and t3 win
>>97082693There's heaps of recordings of it winning in ranked play in MtG Arena.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv17TEXx804
>>97082686Loot was designed at the height of Baby Yoda mania, but due to WotC's design cycle being so long, came out after cultural fatigue set in.
>>97082686
>>97082686Loot overstayed after the mastectomy awareness week has passed.
>>97082711Didn't this shit crash and burn instantly?
>>97082730No.
>>97082730No you're just a schizo best selling set ever it surpassed even ikoria the best selling set of all times forever and ever.
My first attempt at doing a tax effect. Does this read right?
>>97082686The thing is: Loot could have been a genuinely liked mascot IF the sets it was introduced and was part of weren't dumpster fire shit.MTG now lacks a protagonist or group of protagonists.MTG lacks a good story with connecting points.MTG lacks iconic aesthetics and themes. They don't want to do classic fantasy so they do "modern" fantasy (the same as rings of power, willow, etc)People doing MTG doesn't have creativity so everything now is soulless.
>>97082743>>97082711One of the trannies at edhg made this alt art. This mystery meat is the only card that uses shard tokens. One of MtG's better representations of mental illness
>>97083115It's not really a tax effect if it doesn't make it harder to do a thing. You should make it symmetrical. Even if it doesn't effect gameplay it would be a flavor win
>>97082387>you should focus more on synergy rather than individual bombsis BREAD dead?
>>97083163Thanks, I'll try that. My goal here was to represent her going to the library and checking out/returning books (where she gets too many and needs her body gusrds to help her). I'll try and think of a way to make it symmetrical.
>>97082704>When you tap a creature for mana add an additional forestturned off the video right there
>>97082608Are you colorblind?
>>97083163>his or her his or her he or she his or herI know it's not perfectly autistically grammatical but can they really not just say they and their?
>>97082743I thought it was funny how part of the Duskmourn storyline was just Niko being petulant about their spark rupture and coping by being extra annoying to other people
>>97083173I think people have generally moved onto quadrant theory now, especially with more recent sets where set design has changed. Removal in particular I've come to value less, though it's obviously still good. But threats have become stronger even at the common and uncommon level, something like Sold Out would've been a top tier card a decade ago but now it's just ok.
>>97082711The ugliest creature I've ever seen
>>97083240It's been so long since I've played limited I need to look up all these terms now
>>97083163I don't think you can make an effect like >>97083115 perfectly symmetrical without it becoming either useless or actively harmful to yourself. Chains works because black decks want grave set up.
>>97083115Meh
>left during the Vivi meta>check in again now>Izzet is the best again because of another broken izzet card in AvatarAHAHAHAHAHAAHH
>>97082711the tragic thing is the mechanics of this card are actually kinda fun, I've enjoyed playing it in cube.
>badgermole $80This game is beyond hope.
>>97083286I'm trying anyway
>>97083409Any recommendations for how to improve it?
>>97082686>Why did WotC thought this character would catch on?For some reason they thought the appearance of breasts on cards was hurting the game. Plus, Dack Fayden was gone so the "Greatest Thief in the Multiverse" title was up for grabs.It just makes sense that they would introduce the cosmic breast thief into lore.
>each instance of Firebending triggers independently, so Palace helps you put Ascension online faster on top of allowing you to ramp >once Ascension is online, it turns Palace from a +1 mana to a +5 mana play this is the synergy that makes the firebending package work
>>97083474>Preemptively ban Proft's just in case.>Only to realize that the core of the deck is so infinitely efficient that the deck doesn't even care about losing its best pieces.>Turns out every single fucking card in a deck having in-built looting makes it hyper-consistent.>Turns out hyper-consistent decks full of extremely aggressive threats are pretty good!WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING????
>>97083474>Izzet is the best again because of another broken izzet card in Avatarwhat card?
>>97083540I still haven't been able to find a ruling on whether Firebender Ascension gets two counters if an ability triggers twice from, say, Windcrag Siege.Moreso, if an ability triggers twice from Wincrag Siege, do both instances of that ability get copied?The Firebending+Windcrag combo is so clean, and Wincrag is a DISGUSTING card to just slap down and shit on midrange. Endless lifelinking goblins from an enchantment is surprisingly hard for UB to deal with.
>>97083550The 1 mana 3/3 seal. It taps at on upkeep and untaps when when you draw your second card in a term. The deck is not as strong as Vivi Cauldron but that's not saying much, it's extremely efficient
>>97083554>I still haven't been able to find a ruling on whether Firebender Ascension gets two counters if an ability triggers twice from, say, Windcrag Siege.it should
>>97083554Anon, read Windcrag: "that ability triggers an additional time". Actions that go on the stack don't just double up and you resolve both at the same time, this causes two separate triggers to happen (and anything affecting them triggers for each). Who in the fuck have you been talking to that can't understand basic rules interactions?
>>97083530Dungeon WatchguardWW2/4 Defender, Lifelink, Hexproof from Black and RedWhenever an opponent would draw a card, if it’s not the first card they’ve drawn this turn, Scry 1, draw a card and take the Initiative. This triggers once per turn.
BRUH MOBILIZE + CHAINSAW IS RIDICULOUS
But seriously though. Mardu Attacks is an absolutely disgusting deck and I'm surprised nobody is playing it.
Oh fuck I just realized how insane Rottenmouth Viper + Mobilize is in this Mardu list.
>>97083646I hope you and the ba se sing anon are happy and live in the christmasland of your dreams.
>>97083740Please explain how that list is even REMOTELY "christmas land"
>>97083163>>97083186>>97083286>>97083585I tweaked the library effect to impact everyone, but I really didn't want to change the main effect (or give her any more abilities) but I might if this seems too strong now.
Everything in the deck feels great.Chainsaw turning every goblin Windcrag produces into an 10/1 lifelinker puts in a lot of work.
>premodern has this faggy rule where you have to use the printings from that era in order to actually play>this is a format that we are supposed to take seriously as a real way to play this game rather than just a grift by people who want to push old, otherwise worthless cardsI'm not opposed to playing with old cards, but requiring players to purchase versions of cards 10x or more expensive than some random reprint set because of some anti-wotc sentiment or whatever I think we're missing the point
>>97083754JOTC could print a standard legal White Plume Adventurer for (W) and it would STILL be too slow and weak compared to nonwhite rares and mythics.
>>97083646kino list but I'm not a big fan of playing 3-color decks in standard, I prefer sticking to 2 colors
>>97083550>>97083565It's not the stupid seal. It's the 1 mana draw 2. They power crept a banned card.
>>97083778>kino list but I'm not a big fan of playing 3-color decks in standard, I prefer sticking to 2 colorsI agree mostly, but the combo of Multiversal Portal + Starting Town is way more than enough to fully enable 3c with very high consistency.
Is 'The Last Agni Kai' any good for Standard format? I punted my Arena-Draft to rare-draft it remembering people hyping it in spoiler-season, but when I check mono-red decks it looks like no one is playing it.
Anyone tried to do some Arcades Formation Ba Sing Se in Pioneer?
>>97083774It's actually more thematically appropriate for these cards to be on the weaker side. I'm more interested in making them accurate to the comic than good.
>>97083787That card is really good too. Sokka is also arguably playable as a 1 or 2 off. The seal is the best of those cards though
>>97083787>>97083565these are both mono blue. where is the izzet card?
>>97083835without vivi or nightmare, it lost its best targets, but there are still a few good combos you can pull of with it.
>>97083867They're played in the new Izzet tempo deck. It's very similar to the old Vivi deck of course. Fear of Missing Out, Mako, all the same garbage. Even without Vivi and Proft's Eidetic memory the deck is still extremely good. Should have nuked it from orbit
>>97083867Please understand, when anon says one thing he actually means a completely different thing.
>>97083883It's pretty obvious he meant that they printed a card that is good in the Izzet deck, you're both stupid
>>97083903then just say "Blue card that is busted in Izzet"
>>97083911But Anon, those cards aren't from the ravnican guild, you can't call them Izzet
Can't wait for the Yugioh UB and see how they handle a 6 attribute IP and to see them actually just print Pot of Greed and some other unchanged modern Yugioh card and also some other random shit like making stuff that cares about columns with the obligatory 5 colors Egyptian Gods Can't wait for the Pokemon UB and see Nintendo grip wizards by the balls so every card comes out supper op and despite the obvious method of having legendary mons as the legendary creatures 80% of the legends are taken by trainers with the obligatory 5 colors ArceusCan't wait for the One Piece UB where despite there being a million characters half of the set are variations of the straw hats and a lot of flavor miss with the obligatory 5 colors Gear 5 LuffyCan't wait for the Digimon UB with 6 gorillion transform cards and the brand new digital type that doesn't fit the game and will never be used again with the obligatory 5 colors Alphamon
>>97081748Goblins decks fall into a few different categories based on play style>RGYou splash green for Naturalize and Tranquil Domain. There are enough problems artifacts and enchantments that you need to have answers, such as an Oath of Druids or Solitary Confinement. This one usually runs 10 G sources and 4-6 disruptive lands (Rishadan Port or Wasteland)>Mono RAncient Tombs and/or the full suite of 8 disruptive lands. No Naturalize means your game against Oath is weaker but against other combo decks you need to rely on Port/Wasteland>BRCabal Therapy, Volrath's Stronghold, and Smother/Terminate. You have to rip the artifacts and enchantments before they get cast, but Cabal Therapy is disgustingly strong. You get access to the Gempalm Cycle + Volrath's Stronghold combo, which is a nonstop removal engine and very powerful. B also brings Smother or Terminate, which can hit stuff like Terravore or Exalted Angel. B also gets strong sideboard cards, Dralnu's Crusade is great against Pyroclasm/Engineered Plague, and you get Dystopia which can fuck up resolved Oath or Solitary or Library. BR is very solid build and probably the best of them>RWThe often forgotten and quite under rated goblins build. White brings Disenchant, an enchantment sweeper with Cleansing Meditation, and a valuable 2-drop with Goblin Legionnaire. Goblins as a deck doesn't have a super great 2-drop, Piledriver is good but better later when it comes down hasty with Warchief and a mob to bring some damage. Normally the best Goblins turn 2 is just cast Lackey turn 1, then Port on turn 2. Legionnaire brings a solid 2 drop that can apply pressure, disrupt creature strategies, and win combats against phat booty blockers like Elephant tokens (sac to prevent 2 damage to another goblin like a Piledriver or ping 2). White gains a better anthem with Shared Triumph and the best removal spell with Swords to Plowshares. The only real downside to W is that the mana is terrible, no allied fetch land
>>97083769I would understand if they allowed proxies. Keeping the are the same would be about keeping UB at bay, and wierdos from printing alt art. If it's not a sanctioned event and they ban proxy, don't go, they obviously hate you
>>97083769This is simply, totally, absolutely, factually inaccurate. You can use any reprint to play Premodern, and the community is very proxy friendly. Stop being a fag
>>97083769Made up rule, those people are just pretentious grifters.
>>97083769https://premodernmagic.com/>Premodern is played with contemporary Magic: the Gathering in-game rules, as motivated here. We recommend the same approach with respect to reprint policy, i.e. allowing all tournament legal pre- and reprints from the legal sets listed below. The format has its own ban list, also listed below.It took longer to make this post than to find the information. Stop being a dumb cock sucker
Take the 2015 Modern pill.
>>97084078SLD: Yu-Gi-Oh!Pot of Greed (Jace's Triumph)Graceful Charity (Brilliant Spectrum)Blue-Eyes White Dragon (Oculus Whelp)Exodia, the Forbidden One (Child of Alara)Seto Kaiba (Barktooth Warbeard)Bonus: Swords of Revealing Light (Sol Ring)Please understand, more fitting cards are outside reprint equity for this $60 SLD.
is atla draft/sealed any fun? compared to say ff which people said was good but I still haven't got around to. only UB I tried was spiderman and it was suprisingly ok disregarding the hideous aesthetic
>>97084164>six unplayable cards for $10/each plus tipnormal secret lair stuff. Here's my guess though>Pot of Greed: Divination>Graceful Charity: Careful Study>Blue-Eyes: Shivan Dragon>Exodia: Jodah>Kaiba: Ur-DragonBonus is fucking spot on lmao, The urge to put 5-color legendary slop into every secret lair possible is too strong to resist. I'm glad they do it, otherwise I might have to actually look at them every once in a while
>>97084164swords of revealing light is already ghostly prison tho
>>97084217Yes but don't tell WotC that.
>>97084217And? Wizards are the ones that took a look at a Jet Dragon and made it Sol Ring
>>97084078>5 color GodsIf anything, they'd make Exodia 5-colored, and Gods (with their counterparts) just very strong mono-colored enchantment creatures
ld is back on the menu
>>97084260The funniest part is that they could have just used you know Teostra's supernova you know the attack of the monster who is the male counterpart of LUNAstra, the attack that makes a ball of fire around him
>>97084317Honestly, they probably only did Valstrax because all the other flagships were on the cards in one way or another and they couldn't figure out how to include it otherwise.
>>97083769I think it's oldschool and 93-94 where you need the correct printing
>>97082062You drafted too much red the worst color.
>>97082686Loot has less cards than Zimone. He's just a living Mcguffin for the current arc. The only reaction wotc intended was to view him as a baby that doesn't deserved to be exploited and to theorize why he's a Fomori beast noble.
>>97084078>>97084297If they would touch things outside of the original series we have a main villain of one of the sequels that is the combination of 5 creatures, has 5 colors in the anime and is the combination of the main summoning mechanics of the time and is a high tier creature since it conquered the original dimension of that show, but looking at the total lack of any Korra content with the Avatar stuff I doubt they would ever touch anything past the first show>>97084344Well before they canceled it the second monster focused secret lairs only had 4 cards so they could have just put Valstrax there
>>97084400Yes, they could have put Valstrax there; but they probably had a "secret" card for the 4-pack, like how they had an extra card for the Dream Darkly (or whatever it was called) Secret Lair
>>97080543>>TQ>Now that Avatar is old news, what are you hoping to see in the upcoming spoiler season?-1/-1 counters in Lorwyn-1/-1 counter in LORWYN-1/-1 COUNTERS IN LORWYN
>>97080543>TQFinishing the tangoland and cycling dual lands so I can put them in my cube.
>TQThoughtseize
>>97084307I imported this earlier because it looked sweet but god damn that's a lot of wildcards
>>97084260They should make Pot of Greed Sol Ring
>>97084431one of the cum and turd precons is -1 counter themed so there is a good chance the main set also has some. here's hoping
>>97084400>the total lack of any Korra contentThey're 100% saving it for a second set in 2027
>>97084440>CubeDude just print them yourself
>>97084307MHayashi would be proud
>lgs is running an old school event that allows full proxy deckswhats the most fun old school deck?
Paupergeddon ended today 1200+ live viewers, day 1 1019 players, 8 rounds, day 133 qualified, 6 rounds + top8, this is the top of the only format that currently matters.
>>97084627>day 133 qualifiedmeant to say day2*
>>97084627The problem is that the format sucks and is shit and the games are awful.
>>97084627Only europoors play this dogshit format.Us americans have bettern formats, like Cuckmander, Memedern, Pioqueer and sTRANSdard!Can't wait to buy my 600$ investment cardboard playsets for that epic 1k Star City of David games tourney, including a 3h BLM Rally!!
>>97084627I can only build the burn deck on mtgo, everything else has something unreasonable expensive lmao
>The problem is that the format sucks and is shit and the games are awful.
>>97082678Its an old /v/ meme
>>97084643Yeah, speculation has hit mtgo hard, I bought stuff like snuff out and hydros/pyros 8 years ago when they were worth a cents, I wouldn't buy them now, then there's the commander cards that go for 20-30 bucks per copy online despite being worth literal cents in paper, I wish wotc would fix this shit but they don't care.>>97084638bad player spotted
>>97084627Someone post the goddamn pasta.>>97084618Ermaggedon.
>>97084160so..... Pioneer?
>>97084684pioneer card legality starts in return to ravnica which is like late 20122015 modern has cards from 2003 to 2015
>>97084160>another closed format thats impossible to find games fori like the idea but they really need to find like an online client or something for these meme formats so you can actually play them more than once a year
>>97083269>we never saw a Niko and Kinnan team up in ONETragic isn't it.
>every game is UB kikery now with infinite combosI’m done. I’m investing in premodern or vintage cause I can’t put up with this kikety kike kikery.
>>97085112>kikety kike kikery.
blue is for fags
Standard should not have turn 5 infinite loops
>>97082678You must be 18 to post here.>zoomers are 29
Maha, Its Feathers Night
>>97085112Vintage is not safe
>>97085172You may not like it, but it was a set without bad art.
>>97085311Not all but most
>>97084738Just use xmage.
>>97085112How we stop the UB menace anons?
>>97084078I hope john (albaz) and jane (raye) yugioh get cards that just encapsulate their bullshit into 1-2 prints
>>97085311the thumbnail looks like an anthro owl wearing a tux
>>97085475we, uh, kill the Maroman
>TQ. More monks.
Should I buy into Modern Prowess? Is it good? There's a thriving Modern local near my area but I cant justify buying any of these blink decks or affinity
>>97080669For all their bullshit, Im glad this new take on evoke doesnt work with ephemerate
>>97085786>Should I buy into Modern Prowess? Is it good? prowess is one of the few archtypes that managed to stay relevant because it kept getting support, so yeah, it's a good deck>There's a thriving Modern local near my area but I cant justify buying any of these blink decks or affinitythen you might want to check the local meta first before commiting, prowess has a chance against most decks but it doesn't hurt to know the field
Unironically won't see play today in modern
>>97085915it would see play, it just wouldn't be a top tier deck, probably somewhere between tier 2 and 3
>>97085786>Should I buy into ModernWhy would you subject yourself to a modern horizons 3 draft format?
I like how Standard is just "We are too lazy to make interesting effects so we just put looting on everything" tribal.
A shockingly good card.
>>97086059Its the only alive 60 card constructed format in the area so Im going to play it. >>97085818Good idea
Why doesn't WOTC release more sea monsters that scry?
Are there good ways to get cards for cheap except through auctions?
>>97086476Scry is only good at low mana at higher mana the sea monster should draw you cards.
>>97086511The absolute cheapest cards I've ever found were on treasuremage.com, literally cheaper than tcglow.
>>97086557Yeah but the synergies with Kenessos and Kiora - Drawing is actually worse for them arguably than top deck manipulation
>>97085475You can't. Maybe if Universe Beyond was more popular Wotc could split Universe Beyond from Magic so there could be Magic Standard and UB standard with each standard having 4 sets a year.
I play forest, tap it for llanowar elves and end my turn
>>97086591A Verdant Catacombs sold for $0.09? How does the store make any money? Can anyone explain?
>Playing against a bot in mtg forge>Attack all out like an idiot and leave myself open to being killed>Bot literally just doesn't attack letting me win because it doesn't understand how to count lethal with a frostburn wyrdI wish mtg arena wasn't so fucking expensive. These bots are complete retards. But I'll fucked in the ass before I give WoTC money through mtga
>>97086511https://www.agamecardshop.com/or going to a reuse shop like book off and getting very lucky
>>97086795Those are fake cards though, I want to actually be able to:1) Know the quality2) Play in tournaments
>>97086781You can just play and get gold without giving them money
All these faggots spamming counterspells really makes me want to go back playing thoughtseize and surgical extraction. These subhumans don't even want to play the game.
>>97086824I can't play my own cubes or older draft formats. I've also tried mtga before and just found it annoying. Playing in real life is much easier without all the stupid buttons and shit for priority or whatever the fuck.
>>97086799spend 5 minutes looking into it and you'll save yourself thousands of dollarsor you can keep giving money to jotc to eat the slop, your choice
>>97080553TMNT will kill any momentum by lorwyn just like spider man hard-killed LGS activity after FF/EoE summer
>>97086988What's going to happen is that when TMNT comes out there are going to be 1-3 cards that are egregiously pushed and you will see them played for 10 years in multiple formats, and you will be forced to play with and against TMNT cards, begging for a reprint with different art in a Secret Lair or something.You will also see the Pizzalands everywhere, because some reddit homolords will play them "le ironically" and then "content creators" will do the same and there will be hundreds of redditors playing pizza lands to make chuds mad and also getting mad at seeing pizza lands and thinking those guys were the chuds and eventually there will be a 50-50 chance of you playing against a pizzaland nigger.This will be the single most demoralizing event to hit the game and the TMNT cards will pulse like a shameful scar every time people see them in play.
>>97086988from the cards revealed so far Lorwyn will be a low powered set which will just serve to prop up TMNT
people don't talk about human-on-kithkin romance enough
>>97081941>Would healing selves unironically be a sideboard tech in an aggro meta?No. It gains so little life it will never matter. Even an 1-1 blocker would add up to more life.
>>97086655I play a forest and glistener elf
https://www.hareruyamtg.com/en/deck/1160396/show/It's up.
>>97087110bromance in eclipsed coming right up
>>97087110Those species don't coexist anywhere
Howcome the two siblings have different skin colours?
>>97087365It's common practice to prioritize strength over skin color in horse breeding
>>97080543Cant wait for the munster honter secret lair kotoko was my favorite village. THIS GAME IS FUCKING COOKED.
>>97084627Incredible that caw gates still manages to live despite all that's going against it. Did jund wildfires draw themselves out of the top again?
>>97086353This is honestly the best card out of TLA / TLE for me. So many uses.
>there was a god of war crossoverWhat the fuck? When did it happened?
>>97084627monob terror, caw gates and monor madness burn, but no elves or faeries or jund wildfire?
>>97087817MAROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SHIP ME THE SECRET LAIR I ORDERED IN 2021 AND MY WIFE'S WOMB IS YOURRRSSSSS
>>97087720They canceled it
>>97087735Very likely, keep in mind there's a large variance at these events, I went to summer geddon and despite like 30% of the field being red me and my friend over 14 rounds faced 0 of them in 2 days.This is also the day1% decks and day2 conversion>>97087839only 3 faeries passed, also most tards are playing the version that splashes B for snuff outs, which is honestly terrible instead of the monoU.
>>97087817It was like a month ago
>>97088124And it sold out within a few days of release
>>97088132Print yourself some for cheap.
This game is so COOKED is unreal.
>>97087292except for my bedroom
>>97088146Keep crying bitch nigga while every set will have record sales.
>>97088157>while every set will have record sales.according to the (((press)))
>>97088132Honestly a poor sign, the popular ones sell out in hours.
>>97088157>record salesMaRo you are not fooling anyone.
>>97088162The popular ones being the everything bundles and Ghost ones. In terms of selling out, it was Ghost, then Greek GoW, then Horizon. All the others are still around
>>97088157Reminder that gay dragon sex: the set sold more than Final Fantasy but WotC didn't report it because FF cost 50% more.
>>97088171I'm talking in general, not just the playstation stuff. I remember anons complaining here about how the marvel ones sold out in minutes.
>>97088178according to? you have any proof besides your unadulterated lies, faggot?
>>97088178No the fuck it didn't. If literally any set sold 200 million on the first fucking day they would be bragging about it to their shareholders nonstop.
>>97088020NOOOOOO i guess its for the best since they cant even spell the fucking cards right and its full of bulk rares.
>>97088203Well, here's the thing. It's less of being cancelled and more of being delayed due to complaints. Whether or not they'll be the exact same cards, nobody knows
UB FF was the peak of UB in a Magic adjacent theme. That was one in a lifetime episode in the UB garbage history. Spider-Man was garbage, Avatar is garbage. And I don’t think any shit they release in the upcoming years ever match such success.
>>97088221I know its cancelled im making fun of them for being retards. That card should be Kokoto not Kotoko I mean come on they were too lazy to even spell check a premium product? The fuck?!
>>97088222Not really, boring mechanics, bad digital art for the most part when they could've at least tried to imitate the classic FF art (huge fucking missed opportunity). The lotr set was overall better.
Playing against UW control now genuinely feels so wrong. There's so much immediate value in every deck that even if I DO get dragged out into a long game VS control, it's still just a mtter of time before they fail to answer a must-stop threat and I immediately snowball value and just shank the bastards.I'm nit trying to meme here, I genuinely think standard is unhealthy without a viable control deck in the meta. The best decks that run no more lies still simply fail to stop even combo decks that make it to later turns. WotC makes it very clear that they want removal to be saved for key threats and the rest of gameplay to be 4 for 1 value generators that etb into a giant pile of P/T. Reanimator decks alone feel barely a step below legacy Reanimator pre-bans. It just feels dirty to kill control players with combo decks like this, I don't like it, and I don't see how this makes for healthy gameplay. It's reaching YuGiOh levels of the most meta strategy being to just solitaire your own library out on to the board and pray to god you do it faster than the other guy and that you didn't go second.
>>97088186MaNo has provided exactly as much proof on sales as anon here today so I believe it
>>97088246Cards like Lockdown and the ball that does the same thing are basically 3 mana wipes. Then you have the bigger wipes that now exile the GY too and do other stuff. These are WotC admitting defeat.You cannot make control strong enough to tools to stop the shitflood they have created, because all these creatures are broken and in order for control to have answers strong enough to come out ahead against a continuous stream of broken gamewinning creatures getting windmill slammed, the answer would be exponentially more powerful.When monored decks were killing people on turn 2 in STANDARD, it was over. That's the powerlevel the game is operating on now and they can only adjust a degree up or down from there because they design sets several sets in advance. You can't fix this without banning probably 50 design mistake cards across the formats.
>>97088261...do you think their shareholders just have zero insight or data? That they just go in there and say "we made 200 million" and there's no way to verify this at all?
>>97088246Stranstard is in fucking shambles you don’t even have three main archetypes represented let aside fair Magic decks.
>>97088261The proof is in investor reports. Lying to your consumers only gets angry posts, lying to investors gets you assassinated.
>>97088313Ah you are that retarded shill
>>97088280>>97088312It's just fucking crazy because I took a break between 2018 and 2024 thinking things might have improved because, well, the game was seemingly so popular by 2024. BIG mistake. We've got landfall combo, graveyard combo, airbend combo, wierd black and something lifegain combo, and of course red decks that still kill all of them on turn 3, on a bad day.I've been grinding my way up to mythic with a reanimator deck and a landfall deck to mix things up but it really all feels the same. T1 pray to holy jesus you don't sed a mountain on the other sideT2 play your combo enabler ( usually something impossible to counter at this early turn of the game )T3 play some must answer little creatureT4 kick off your combo and win the game right away anyway because every creature is a must answer and your opponent fucked up by not having 3 mana boardwipes and counterspells that don't even exist in the format anymore.
>>97088359
>>97088246>>97088280When JOTC started kikeing mono white out of a viable aggro archetype, the color was crippled. When they started giving the other aggro colors faster and more broken creatures to outvalue and outpace White’s control archetype, the color was dead and never came back. And this was before Gavin began his LIES about “helping” the color he himself destroyed.When, you, unbalance, the, color, pie, you, unbalance, the, fucking, game.And I don’t care about the warning you kike mods, someone has to tell the truth about these sheeny shekel kikes destroying the game.
Imagine constructing your internet persona around a MtG mana color.
>>97088381That doesn't make you any less than a retarded shill though.
>>97088380>the game was seemingly so popular by 2024standard, modern, legacy and pioqueer bled like 80% of the playerbase, even commander doesn't seem as popular as it used to be, this game can barely achieve 500player tournaments, outside of pauper and paupergeddon which is the only growing format with true large tournaments, compared to pokemon which is doing dozens of 2000-5000 players tournaments per year and yugi-oh which is also pulling multiple 1k+ tournaments per year.
>>97088487Yeah but we get le heckin marvel and avatar sets also it seems like you just pulled those numbers out of your ass do you have any proofs?
>>97088447Doesn’t change the facts, shekelsucker
>>97088487It's incredibly pathetic because for decades Pokemon was derided as a TCG no one actually plays, yet it has tons of players, and you can actually make rogue and budget decks in Pokemon and win while in Magic you will just get assraped unless you spend $500 putting together a netdeck of the best shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anLctj3Y0BUmono white is b-ACK!
>>97088495>like you just pulled those numbers out of your ass do you have any proofs?retard, how hard is it to google tournament data?Just in 2 days yugi had a 200 and 2429 player's tournamenthttps://ygoprodeck.com/tournaments/literally google it.
>>97083612>>97083646>>97083756How does the number of counters work with the tokens you're sacrificing? If you have, say, two attacking creatures each with mobilise 3, do all 6 tokens die together and give one rev, does each batch of 3 die together and give two revs, or does each token trigger individually and give 6 revs?
>>97088552>How does the number of counters work with the tokens you're sacrificing? If you have, say, two attacking creatures each with mobilise 3, do all 6 tokens die together and give one rev, does each batch of 3 die together and give two revs, or does each token trigger individually and give 6 revs?One per token. Each sacrifice trigger goes on the stack separately.It's gross.
I miss 5C Humans
>>97088190>One set sells 4m units and retails for $40, netting $160M>Another set sells 3.5m units but retails for $60, netting $210M and aligns with your future business model>Hmm which one will they brag about to the press and investors
How do we make Hollow one playable again bros? I propose printing the following cards in MH4 to support the archetype
>>97080543Was into MtG early 2000s, from Tempest to around Urza's block - it was fun at the time, I fall back to Shandalar every once in a while for funI heard about the Final Fantasy set and started watching TCC for shits and gigglesWow this game has changedIs there a nuanced take on Universes Beyond here, or are they all shit?
>>97088626>nuanced take>on 4chanlol
>>97088576It’s in standard but it’s pig slop allies now
>>97088626How the fuck do you have nuance when WotC is making you play against Spiderman characters and letting opponents tap pizza slices for mana, nigga? Fuck outta here.
>>97086591>>97086705I guess they put up cards and they hope they get a high enough price from people bidding. So sometimes they're up value by selling a card high, and sometimes you're up value by getting a card cheap. It's an interesting way to sell cards, that's for sure.
how do you decide if you want 1, 2, 3 or 4 copies of a card?
Black gave some strong options but Boros seems to have more than enough.Chainsaw is FUCKED alongside Mbilize.We're steadily approaching a real deck.
>>97088733>4You want it in your opening hand andit will almost never be a dead card>3You always want it at some point but you don't want multiple copies>2 A very high impact card with a niche timing that will win you the game if it resolves/sticks but is a big investment>1Silver bullet, extreme high investment wincon, pet card
>>97088744Not always. Mana values are considered too. You want fewer copies of high cost cards. Drawing them later than an opening hand is not an issue.
>>97088754It also depends on the deck, because a reanimator deck wants 4x some high cost card like Atraxa or Archon.
>>97088769Yep. Always situational.Or you could be a gigachad and just 4x every best card. But we aren't cool like that one asian dude.
>... or is exiled...What the actual FLAMING. FUCK. were they thinking with this?
Badgermole $85.Where is your god now?
>>97088796>Irrelevant creature that has almost zero impact on the show's story >The chase mythic of the set
>>97082686>>97083117At least when they kept putting Jace in sets, they were (somewhat*) catering to popular demand. For dudes like Kellen(?) and Loot, is there even a single person asking for more cards?*I think the most exciting thing about Magic lore used to be that every set brought new characters and put new ones in the spotlight, even. Jace had fans, but half the cards were still shit and would have better been replaced with unique characters instead.Someone opined in the last thread that Innistrad was the beginning of the end, because it started the Commanderbaiting. But honestly it was just a very flavorful set because it introduced so many unique characters. A lot of them did not even get cards. Nowadays one gets to read the same garbage planeswalker quips every set. (Innistrad was admittedly quip heavy.)
>>970887264 is for crucial cards you want to see every game, potentially in multiples3 is for good cards you want to see every game, but not multiple copies2 is for situational cards, or 2-2 splits between similar sidegrade cards that you'd want in different matchups1 is for cards that you tutor or combo out, sideboard cards, sometimes control wincons
STANDARD IS EVEN WORSE THAN IT WAS BEFORE THE BANSHOLY FUCKING SHIT THIS UG DECK IS THE WORST GAYEST FUCKING GARBAGE I HAVE EVER FUCKING SEEN AND THE ONLY REASON UB IS STILL ABLE TO COMPETE IS BECAUSE FLOODPITS EATS THE BADGERMOLE LANDS THIS IS THE WORST FORMAT I HAVE EVER SEEN
>>97088726>1Your deck sucks and you're stupid>2 Your deck sucks and you're stupid>3Your deck sucks and you're stupid or you're too poor for that 4th mythic rare >4You have an IQ above 85
>>97088804You should be happy non-legendary creature is so powerful.
>>97088789They were thinking of how unfun land destruction is for the almost-40-year-old Xisters that play commander, and forgot to see if it would be balanced
>>97088726If you have $85 then you only run 1 copy of Badgermole. If you have $340 then you run 4 copies.
>>97088804That's a good thing
>>97088789It is in the same set as airbending.
>>97088804Garbage show.Fortunately Badgermole is one of the few cards in the set that aren’t so obviously drawn in that style.
>cub in standard when elves are aroundI'm tired, they aren't even trying
>>97088910Clearly Elf is the problem
>>97087365black "people" first appear in history in the UK during a time in which people were researching how to create golems
>>97088789We’ll need another zone soon.
>Second, we need to scrutinize and be careful with the rate of cards that are challenging to interact with favorably. With the increased power level of decks in the larger format that is three-year Standard, decks are very capable of turning a small advantage into a snowball that ends the game. Strong cards that leave resources behind when dealt with, like Cori-Steel Cutter and Up the Beanstalk, reliably create that first small advantage. Identifying these cards and evaluating their strength in the context of their interactional requirements is a task that Play Design is incorporating into our process going forward.>Identifying these cards and evaluating their strength in the context of their interactional requirements is a task that Play Design is incorporating into our process going forward.>>>>>>>>>Identifying these cards is a task that Play Design is incorporating into our process going forward.
>>97088858soon wotc will blame the players wanting cards banned that could've answered this shit
>>97088947>soon wotc will blame the players wanting cards banned that could've answered this shitWotC intended for Standard to be Badgermole/Ouroboid vs Vivi/Cutter.This absolute fucking shitstain of a format was their intent.
>what if kinnan but nonlegendary?retardsRETARDS
Dead serious though, just doing three (3) test games against that Simic deck, instantly I recognized Badgermole as a problem card.The fucking immortal body that can soak up Ouroboroid counters it leaves behind is something that should easily have been spotted during playtesting.I spotted it in ten fucking seconds.
>>97088915Yeah cmon WotC, ban elves in every format! You know what, ban Shock as well! What a broken card!
>>97088965>Yeah cmon WotC, ban elves in every format! You know what, ban Shock as well! What a broken card!Clearly, Entomb is the problem.
>IDENTIFYING THESE CARDS IS A TASK THAT PLAY DESIGN IS INCORPORATING INTO OUR PROCESS GOING FORWARD.WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT WOTC?HUH? WHERE DID THAT GO?
>>97088972Yeah entomb is the problem guys! Valgavoth? Atraxa? Ardyn? Why, those are just barely at-rate cards that are sooooo difficult to cast. They're well balanced around their high, hard to reach mana cost!What do you mean standard is cheating out three 7/7s with fifty keywords on turn 3?
>>97088979Yeah, my deck has a 50/ winrate. I win on the play, and lose on the draw! This is clearly balanced so it's healthy!
>>97088733double kino list
>>97088624hollow one IS playable, it just isn't competitive because we are in a solitude meta, I don't think the cards you suggested here can change that
>>97088733can you elaborate on the choice of running torch the witness here? seems like clunky removal spell
Apparently this is a tranny spirit dragonIt uses the nu pronoun "iel" in the french translation. Normally they use "elle" for "it" instead.
>>97088979It was too late to stop the printing presses
>>97088915Yes, one mana manadorks were a mistake
>>97089084Maybe a decision taken by the French translators>>97089096Remember when Llanowar Elves was "too strong for standard"? Kinda funny they strayed from that, while Bolt and Counterspell are still no-gos.
>>97088979t-the meta hasn't stabilized yet!
When was the last time Standard was fun and cancer free?
>>97089193Never, standard was always a bad format and it became worse since F.I.R.E. design, then it was even worse after UBslop.
>>970891932011 I guess? it was the last time I played standard in person
>>97089081>can you elaborate on the choice of running torch the witness here? seems like clunky removal spellName a better one available in Standard.
>>97089221Why not play more Get Lost if you’re in White? Or Dusk Rose Reliquary if you want to lean even more into abusing the token generation.
>>97089236>Why not play more Get LostBecause Get Lost is a really, really, REALLY bad card in multiples.
>>97089193>>97089215It felt pretty over already when Jund Midrange was dominating INN/RNR. Now we look back and think, at least you could play some turns of Magic against that deck! (Except everything you played got removed.)
How do we have ten bansten fucking bansand the format is still this shit and insufferable
>>97089193The last Ravnica block.
I member when they printed these mana doublers because they wanted standard to be a turn 5-6 formatNow look at all the dumb 2 cost cards that they print because they want standard to be strictly a turn 4 format. Even the latest reanimator incarnation can kill you turn 4 due to haste giver + mass yard reanimation.
>>97089193Somewhere between eighth edition and llorwyn. New card boarders and planeswalkers were a big mistake
>>97089388Still banned in Pioneer for no reason.
MTG peaked here, this was the top for all formats
10-4 at eternal weekend, reanimator will not die if they don't ban tamiyo
>>97089619>red shitting over everything in standardyeah I bet you liked that you retard
>>97089623Good taste in brainstorm art
Alright then, I think it's safe to say that 10 bans was not enough to get Standard into a healthy place.How many more will it take? Badgermole and Enduring Curiosity say at least two more bans, but I doubt that's the end of it.
what should happen for them to do a format without UB stuff? a official supported one i mean not premodern shit.
>>97089881It only takes one ban: Anything in a modern frame.
Anyone building an interesting deck? Feels like modern card design is slowly erroding the brewing space of the game since most sets follow the same tires formula.
>>97089918for starters, the community will have to propose and kickstart the format first, there's no reason why wotc would intentionally create a format that goes against their biggest financial decision of the decade
>>97089946not my deck but see >>97088733
>>97089881You can't ban yourself out of this when there are 7 sets a year.
>>97088577The one who sold 200 million ON THE FIRST DAY, you retard.
>>>>>or is exiled
>>97088858But remember anon……..Powerful WhiteCardsLol
>>97089379Don’t worry, the powerful white cards Gavin promised are in the way at some point :-)
It really is kinda funny they used the commander legal extra sheet to print bunch of vanilla 2/2s while standard set has the cub
>>97089881>How many more will it take?I’d say it would need at least 40 more nonwhite bans for standard to have a healthy meta before Marvel and StarTrek shit up the format again.
>>97089623I am frankly shocked that they didn't ban her already. The top 8 for this EW was boring, but at least it wasn't just reanimator fighting mystic forge.
>>97089918>>97089980I think Maro was truthful at the time when he said UB would not be standard legal. Originally we would of had 4 standard legal sets and 3 UB/Modern horizons sets. Than they changed their minds. All formats are fucked beyond repair. Especially standard because we get all of the best threats and shit removal. Magic gameplay will be like this until design is changed and cards rotate out.The way the printed UN-finity in a black border instead of gray border in an attempt to boost sales. Spider man is the best case of what they are afraid of. A set with no playable cards in eternal formats will have no staples. Investors are smart enough to understand that resell value is in part effected by pack addicts looking for hits (staples). And stores that sell singles won't open as many if the cards aren't selling
Total scalper death
>>97090174>Than they changed their minds.They Hasbro.
>>97090237Im thankful for Spiderman being such a garbage set. It was necessary. I just hope every UB does the same.
>>97089881According to my calculations, this is the best guess: ~2,300 bans to get standard to a manageable state of health. Note that this will still be more powerful than any standard ever.
>YunaBeansOverlords vs Vivi/Cutter vs MoleSlop vs ExperBoomerang with Hopeless Nightmare was unironically the standard WotC intended
>>97090318Imagine the future with Leonardo, Spock, Thorin and Black Panther all Standard legal. Fucking hideous.
>>97090318>>97090374And none of it would’ve been the powerful white cards Gavin promised after 8 years of FIRE design.
>have opportunity to create original setting based on classical chinese mythology and history>instead end up with avatar, those couple of jumpstart chinese themed planeswalkers, and the portal sets (which were good, dont get me wrong) with no fully chinese inspired original setting
>>97090174>They were telling the truth at the time with UB, but it wasn't binding>No PLEASE ignore the reserved list fucking Legacy and Vintage in the ass!
>>97089084It's a mistranslation its pronouns are they/they not because they're nonbinary but because its multiple spirits acting as one.
>>97090411Zero copies of black lotus or ancestral recall available at cardkingdom. $3,520 for a play set of underground seas. There is a limit to the number of people who can play these formats. It looks like vintage is already full and not welcoming new players.
>>97090553i see a few stores doing 10-20 proxy card legacy and vintage now since its basically the only way they can fire it these days
>>97090402dynasty warriors ub soon!
>>97090402Enjoy your genshin impact
>>97090710Back to our roots
>>97090710Store lady boy, going through my commander decks, not knowing the combo win has been replaced with filler
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>>97090402No way they don't have a Shenmeng set at least on the works. It's probably the last mainstream fantasy concept they have yet to really make use of.
