>>97081229
Probably Etherites

>>97081229
>Occult critical mass
No one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition actually just a bunch of Malkavians

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ATTENTION!!!
Before you post the inane question
>How would Anonymous react to [insert splat here]?

Consult the following
>Vampire: the Ascension
>Werewolf: the Sin-Eaters
>Mage: the Fallen
>Changeling: the Resurrection
>Wraith: the Masquerade
>Mummy: the Renegade
>Hunter: the Forsaken
>Demon: the Lost
>Promethean: the Reckoning
>Geist: the Created
>Beast: the Awakening
>Deviant: the Oblivion
I hope this clears things up.

I believe that we can all coexist <3

>>97081297
Makes sense. Hunter: the Forsaken was such a surprise.

>>97081297
>>Beast: the Awakening
UGGH! I bet Alpine Lupine thought they were so clever using this as the sequel to Beast: the Dreaming.

>>97081331
You're thinking of Fentox's parody. Alpine Feline's the BtD and BtA's creator that did the silly twist.

>>97081297 >>97081331
Look how they've butchered Promethean: the Sin-Eaters! "Reckoning" implies a repudiation of the New Testament subtext in favor of the outright declaration of Old Testament retrogress. All subtlety and nuance has been lost.

>>97081338
My English is not so good. Could you rephrase that?

>>97081297
>Werewolf: The Sin Eaters
Actually redeeming the Wyrm and talking things out for once? Not my Garou

>>97081372
Fentox, the company that hounds and makes the Geists' lives a living hell have a game company. It's a parody of Alpine Feline called Alpine Lupine.

>>97081297
>Nephandus gameline for Mage with Mage: The Fallen (from their ascension)
Actually sounds a bit kino

>>97081377
Do you think that it is a step up or a step down from the original Werewolf: the Created?

>>97081384
The original series was Mage: the Renegades. You have to keep in mind that it was the 1990s, so everything had to be edgy, gritty, and extreme. I suppose they named the sequel "the Fallen" as a dig at all the failed utopian dreams of the 20th century.

>>97081379
Ah, I must have gotten the real company confused with its parody! Thanks for the clarification.

>>97081385
I think it's a step up. Playing the Unwound is a fun new angle compared to the borks. It's like using your left hand to trace what your right hand made in the past.

>>97081410
That sounds more awkward than fun, but I get how it can help train one's creativity.

>>97081297 >>97081331
>>Mummy: the Renegade
And here's yet another "clever" reversal. I guess that they've completely abandoned any of the secrecy necessary to Mummy: the Masquerade. Was it because the writers were too lazy or was it the players? I really hope that the old fans can reclaim the Realms Of Obscurity.

>>97081385
>Pentex WtA or WtA where Garou have reasonable attempts at fixing Gaia for once
Hard to say. The Created I'd say, I kind of like that sort of traumatic philosophy mumbo jumbo of being a creature created for a purpose opposite to your biological/spiritual one

>>97081399
Perhaps the Mage camps should have made better choices in the metaplots so as to not fuck over everyone else

How does the Fae Blooded merit work as far as what powers and abilities you have access to and what you can buy?

>>97081472
The problem with that argument is that most of those plot points were written in Mummy: the Masquerade and Hunter: the Curse. The design philosophy of the original Realms Of Obscurity encouraged cross-overs and comparative worldbuilding, much to the detriment of individual game lines.

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>Here are those two Raveners I was telling you about
What are their Houses?

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is Princess the closest you can get to a Sentai/Kamen Rider game in any WoD line?

>>97081471
Why do you think that they made Deviants and Mages the primary antagonists of The Created (werewolves)?

>>97081489
Matt's a halaku and Ben's namaru

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>>97081510 >>97081297
And that's another thing that bothers me about the Realms Of Obscurity: they recycle their subtitles so that it makes it difficult to discuss the game lines. Unless I contextualize it, nobody knows whether I'm referring to a werewolf or a geist when I say "the Created".

HtVanon, back at it again. I've had to split the sessions this week just for pacing and practicality. Old money Duncan has still been kidnapped by a Slasher determined to give the closeted gay man an oedipus complex. We'll be dealing with that scene later today.

In a direct continuation from the last session, our two Union members, Minayo and Stewart went back to an apartment after a night of mulching zombies in the marshes. Both are a bit bruised and beaten up, but nothing a quiet night in with a takeaway can't fix. Unfortunately for them, they're opposite a booming nightclub and it's 12:30 in the morning. As one of them goes to shut the windows, they hear a clubgoer screaming in distress. They both go outside to investigate, but not before Minayo grabs her first aid kit.

They find a woman outside, kneeling next to her partner on the kerb. He's bleeding from the chest, thick reddish brown stains creeping across his shirt. In a panic, others outside had forced their way into the club. A bouncer comes out to find out what happened. Minayo stays outside to deal with the injured man, while Stewart questions the woman. She says that her boyfriend and her were kissing against the wall of the club when a woman attacked him, smacked him over the back of the head with a hammer and then started smashing his chest as he fell. As people noticed and panicked, she joined the crowd and pushed inside.

Stewart went on in, leaving Minayo outside. He spotted his quarry, Jao Saao. A thai mail-order bride who brutally murdered her abusive husband. She'd since killed at least one other man, and was prowling womens support groups to hunt for victims. The Players seemed rather ambivalent to her, not endorsing her but more of a "Oh no what a shame! Anyway" attitude, while the PCs instead focussed on the Vampire Killer, a different Slasher. But now, Jao Saao is in a nightclub with a claw hammer. Stewart presses on.

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>>97073329
Get yourself a Malign Weapon or some other kind of magical weapon.
Then decide what kind of unga bunga you want.
Life for going all in on physical stats and other BS related to it.
Forces for swinging your sword with nuclear forces and other esoteric energies.
Correspondance for Vergil style dimensional cuts and reach beyond reach.
Entropy for "I cut you with my unhealable attacks" and "I can see your weakness" Also, prediction.
Time for time bullshittery.

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>>97081297 >>97081357
And look what they did with the logo! Was it really necessary to change it to this?

>>97081500
Based on what they say in the Discord server, yes.

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Tremere is best Clan

>>97081552
I had debated preparing a playlist to have going while we were doing the scene. While the game is in 1980, a year before it actually happened, I presented it as Depeche Mode playing one of their famous earlier gigs, but didn't actually have the music playing as it just rarely works out. But it was important to me that everyone know that "Just Can't Get Enough" was playing the whole time.

Stewart pushed into the crowd, on her trail. The crowd pressing on him at all times, he had no awarenss that Minayo had followed him into the building. Both were seperated and had no clue where the other was. As Stewart headed for the upper balcony above the stage, Minayo found a body. Held upright by the crowd about him, he almost seemed to be jumping in time with the music. As she pushed her way past him, he detatched and fell on her. His neck was broken, vertebrae pressing against his flesh like knucklebones, his eyes bloodshot. To her shock, he gasped for breath. He was still alive! She carefully manoeuvered him through the crowd (terrible idea, we know but what can you do), slowly carrying him to a bathroom where she implored a member of staff to allow them into the backrooms to try and save his life.

Stewart meanwhile, had followed Jao Saao to the women's toilets adn was hanging about outside them, milking his unremarkable appearance and face in the crowd merit for all it was worth. As the victim Minayo found earlier unfortunately died in the backrooms, Jao Saao emerged. Stewart followed her to the edge of the balcony as she surveyed the crowd below. Looking for men breaking their women's hearts, amongst other things. She spotted one such man on the floor below, and set off. Stewart followed her down the stairs at a distance, very aware that he had no backup or weapons. Minayo and Stewart actually passed oneanother on the stairs at this point, one tailing a killer and another moving towards a phone to call an ambulance, but neither realised the other.

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>>97081570

>>97081486
That's tragic, perhaps they shouldn't have made Mage central to the metaplots then

>>97081543
Indeed, but both Geists and Werewolves being created allows them to share a similar brand of existential horror, only more along a physical/spiritual divide
>>97081510
I assumed it was a usual case of rebelling against the creator as is popular in literature

>>97081570
>>97081589
>Chad Bloodcock was finally made
I appreciate that the guy prompting this had the good sense to include the slut glasses

>>97080420
I run metis as basically being like a disabled kid in a primitivist society. They're born deformed or mentally weird in a way that could be accommodated, but it's easier to use the Litany as an excuse to not have to put up with the retard.

A problem one guy in the sept had was that because he was raised in the sept, they're all aware of every dumbass incident from his childhood and can't see him as an equal warrior.

I was really amused with my bullshit when I did this, but it just seems like woke babble now.

>>97081543
They even recycle the taglines too! Alpine Feline are a bunch of hacks.

For comparison:

>Vampire: the Resurrection, a game of reality on the brink
>Vampire: the Ascension, a game of beautiful madness
>Werewolf: the Created, a game of techgnostic espionage
>Werewolf: the Sin-Eaters, a game of personal horror
>Mage: the Renegades, a game of savage horror
>Mage: the Fallen, a game of light and shadows
>Changeling: the Ascension, a game of immortal souls
>Changeling: the Resurrection, a game of reality on the brink
>Wraith: the Descent, a game of righteous fury
>Wraith: the Masquerade, a game of savage horror
>Mummy: the Masquerade, a game of beautiful madness
>Mummy: the Renegade, a game of righteous fury
>Hunter: the Curse, a game of infernal glory
>Hunter: the Forsaken, a game of infernal glory
>Demon: the Vigil, a game of personal horror
>Demon: the Lost, a game of endless hunger
>Promethean: the Sin-Eaters, a game of modern fantasy
>Promethean: the Reckoning, a game of second chances
>Geist: the Apocalypse, a game of endless hunger
>Geist: the Created, a game of techgnostic espionage
>Beast: the Dreaming, a game of second chances
>Beast: the Awakening, a game of modern fantasy
>Deviant: the Curse, a game of light and shadows
>Deviant: the Oblivion, a game of immortal souls

Why did both versions of Hunter keep the same tag line? Was it a lack of creativity or was it an editorial oversight?

>>97081590
If anything, Hunter: the Curse was "central" to the metaplots, given that they always needed a monster-of-the-week to defeat.

>>97081481
Download The Enchanted. You can buy everything a kinain can. I'd not give you any extra dots to buy stuff, so you'd start with the faerie blood background at 1 and would have to spend your normal dots to buy more.
This merit can be powerful as fuck.

>>97081570
Yeah.

>>97081597
>share a similar brand of existential horror, only more along a physical/spiritual divide
How deep does the symbolism go in the Realms Of Obscurity?!
>rebelling against the creator
Would they really have such simple plots?

>>97081500
Deviant is the most like classic Kamen Rider in terms of concept.
And I would also say Demon: The Descent, they were created by the villain, they transform into a robotic form, and a big part of the game is foiling the bad guy's plans and protecting your human friends.

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>>97081552
>>97081575
Jao Saao struck in the crowd, three hammer blows to a man's sternum. Stewart saw this from a few steps up on the stairs, and without thinking he mounted the stage and leapt from it, tackling Jao Saao as she tucked her hammer back into her clutch bag. The crowd erupted, a localised bubble of horror and shock settled around Stewart and the killer as they wrestled on the floor, rolling ontop of the man with the broken ribs. Minayo saw this from the upper balcony, and turned back down the stairs, hurrying to back Stewart up. She too, climbed to the stage and leapt into the crowd. Unfortunately, she landed far worse.

The music had stopped now, a bouncer was pushing his way through the crowd to find the two stage divers while other clubgoers also tried to take to the stage. In the bedlam, Jao Saao slipped away. In a bizaare role reversal, Stewart tried to tend to the man he'd just kinda-sorta elbow-dropped from the stage while Minayo gave chase. She and Jao Saao ended up on the stage with dozens of other people, fighting over a bloody claw-hammer.

All the lights turned on, the sound system cut out and people realised that there were two women fighting over a claw hammer on stage. In an impressive feat, Minayo ended up taking control of Jao Saao's murder weapon. A domestic hammer, slick with blood and chips of bone. The killer seemed to have a panic attack at this, barely passing her check to maintain her self-control rather than throw it all away to continue her mission. She ducked into the crowd as Stewart flubbed his Medicine check to try and protect the man bleeding internally on a nightclub floor in the middle of a crowd. The clubgoers panicked, racing for the exit. Stewart is already on his hands and knees on the floor. A stampede forms as dozens upon dozens of people trample him and the newly deceased victim in a rush for the exit. He survived on full lethal and one aggravated damage, and the session ended with 999 arriving.

>>97081644
>Download: The Enchanted
Never got into this one. What is it about?

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>>97081565
Well, the branding for the deuteragonist supplements seems quite strong to me!

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>>97081704
Geez Louise, it seems that Wraith: the Descent made them think that appropriating sugar skulls was okay, so now they are trying to copy Maori designs!

>>97081686
Half-splat for CtD. Either your parent's a changeling or you've been blessed by a changeling, and now your local otherkin's delusions are real to you, which means you can now summon items and powers from CWCville. They're also in C20, where each version is slightly different: kinain are immune to banality and enchanted are immune to bedlam.

Fae-Blooded is the point cost for playing as one in another game.

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>>97081704 >>97081723
In comparison to the logos for the protagonist books, they are much more "busy" but perhaps more eye-catching. I'll post the protagonist logos next.

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>>97081565
>>97081738
Here are some of the logos for the protagonist lines. As you can see, they are woefully minimalist. But that's just the style of our times, I suppose.

Is V20 really incompatible with street level play? It reads so easy to get to session 5 and everyone's comparable to level 20 D&D characters. I'm partial to V5 facilitating monster of the week play for a longer time but I want to know if I'm just misreading the rules and theme of V20.

>>97082014
This is the fattest bait I've seen in a minute but yes, you can have "street level" play in V20.

The scaling exp costs in V20 mean that going from 3 dots in a discipline to 4 takes a lot longer than going from 1 to 2. Minmaxxers can make some sort of Celerity blender but there's always a bigger fish if you're playing neonates. That character will also be inept at anything other than violence and at the end of the day, it's very easy to kill a character that can barely function half of the time and who dies in like a round or two from sunlight. Of course, if you're finding yourself having to play so adversarial with a player in the first place, that's a problem no mechanics can possibly fix. Just run a low stakes, small scale game. If your definition of street level is "four vampires struggle with an equal number of normal police officers" then you probably want a different game than VTM entirely. Otherwise, V20 can support as small or large scale a game as you want.

>>97081727
I thought only Mage had the Fae Blooded merit. How would that affect the other splats?

>>97082064
I think dogs and similar trash can have it, but I'm not 100% sure.

>>97081229
>Your nearest city has reached occult critical mass; what supernatural splat inexplicably pops up
I live in Florida, so probably either changelings or mokole.

>>97082064
The same as wizards, I would presume. You can see the Dreaming as the Fae do, you can be enchanted more easily; you don't suffer from banality so Fae might ask/mind control you for help with banal stuff. Maybe some access to weak Arts if your ST is nice. Woofs would have an easier time entering the Dreaming, presumably. A kinain vampire has a good excuse to know either Mytherceria or Chimerstry out of clan after just being sired. That sort of thing.

Being a Kinain Wraith just sounds like it sucks. Like, you KNOW about the Dreaming from your alive days, but you might never be able to go back. Are there any stories of the Fae going to the Shadowlands/Stygia?

>>97081738
That's the ICP logo

>>97081318
No

Any suggestions for places to find good art for CTL? Besides the books themselves, obviously.

>>97081727
Does a mage become kinian or Enchanted?
If they become a kinian mage gain the 2 glamor? Or do they use their own quintessence?
If they become Enchanted, do they have a way of gaining more glamor or does the merit disappear once he runs out?

>>97081603
Well of course, the slut glasses are the best part

>>97081603
Strauss is just too iconic to not include them. And I’m glad he’s such a big presence in Bloodlines because up until I played the game I could only envision the typical Tremere as Kevin from Hunter: The Parenting

TF:V is the best faction. Any opinion to the contrary is sedition.

Would other Tremere be pissed if a non-Tremere starts rocking the slut glasses as part of their regular getup?

>>97082489
They would hit them with a curse that would make Tremere Antitrubu & Assamites curses seem like small potatoes

>>97082489
Go find your own glasses.

>TQ
Either a bunch of ancient methuselahs wake up or the Null Zone expands.

>>97082489
Maybe if the non-Tremere wanted to get turned into a Gargoyle they would do that

>>97081229
Princesses. Get used to the zero crime sparkly frilly police state.

>>97082653
>>97082547
>>97082534
Why are Tremere such sensitive gayboys

>>97082470
Vampire Wizards really lends itself to that look or just researcher without the cool goth club aesthetic of Strauss yeah. He's honestly just so cool. I like Kevin too though, he has a nice detective aesthetic with that massive nose
>>97082106
Wouldn't entering the dreaming still fuck you up in the Hedge if you aren't a changeling? Also
>Fae in Stygia
I imagine being not-really alive would make it easy but they're also unwanted there. If anything, there should be a dreaming for dead people

>>97082663
The tramp stamps. You'd think it'd be the womb tats but the little sluts are proud of those

>>97081606
It's pretty realistic and well written though, so you don't really need to feel bad over it. A little bit of some bullshit or cringe is fine and often kind of ideal in a game lest you end up with overly based derailment efforts like
>I go Crinos and I start raping the office building
or
>I shouldn't stick my dick in this Fury/BSD/Shadow Lord, however
Metis are supposed to be sort of treated like unwanted kids so the whole
>Call them retarded and don't parent
Sounds about right

>>97081674
Excellent write up again Vigil anon, always enjoy your posts. I want to see what happens with Delilah primarily but this side plot happening is cool too

>>97082663
>Go from a Mage KING to a sissy pretender who needs blood sippies that you get easier from sex than you do from hunting because Grandpa was getting old and malding
>Said Grandpa doomed you to a life of scheming and sodomy pimping out your talents to the lazy and undeserving
You'd have daddy issues too if you were a Tremere
>>97082672
This is a holdover from when they were a Tzimisce bloodline

>>97082663
Got duped into trading in real magic for shitty immortality

>>97082694
We'll be dealing with that in 4 hours or so, I'll report back. My current plan for how the plot will unfold is to have the PCs Compacts show up in town. Ashwood Abbey and a UK-flavoured Union realising that there's got to be good hunting in town, and that everything's gone to hell respectively. The cavalry arrives and makes everything worse.

>>97082663
>Be one of the founding Tremere
>Lose True Magic for a botched form of immortality
>Be sired by the Tremere
>Learn that your super special blood magic isn't special at all and like 4 other clans did it before you, oh and your elders chose to give the clan a clan curse just to fit in, instead of remaining caitiff. So an actual caitiff can learn blood magic from the Tremere and doesn't have to suck off the council in the process.

>>97082741
Typical Abbey. Watch them try to catch the woof for an orgy

>>97082749
I was actually thinking they might bring something along with them for sport, something to up the stakes a bit. Happy to take any suggestions.

Our Ashwood PC actually has a spot in his safehouse that he's set aside as specifically for keeping the Werewolf prisoner so he can take its pelt. Bless him.

>>97082741
>>97082749
>Cavalry arrives and immediately tried to fuck the local supernaturals instead of helping
Based

>>97082781
Not all heroes wear capes.
Or condoms.

>>97082483
>TF:V is the best faction. Any opinion to the contrary is sedition.
In a prior chronicle that I played in, there was a B-52 Stratofortress which would regularly fly over the city with its bomb bay doors open. We long suspected that it was some TF: V asset which was conducting drills for the contingency of bombing the shit out of the city if things ever got out of hand.

>>97082483
Do they turn supernaturals into viagra? No? I rest my case.

>>97082777
This would probably be a stretch to work, in-universe at least, but maybe a Sublimati that's delighted to have "playmates" in the abbey hunters following it. It's being sporting for the most part until the Abbey does something it considers too far or cheating.

>>97082818
Rapeman is not the hero we deserve but the hero we have

>>97082818
> Breeding more Woofs instead of burning
They're supposed to be Monster slayers not Monster layers

>>97081320
How so?

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>>97081229
>>Your nearest city has reached occult critical mass; what supernatural splat inexplicably pops up?
Probably Slashers first, followed by other minor murder monsters that are hunted by Hunters. Then maybe some Changelings. Then once those are tolerated or not stopped, the big boys start to come out: vamps, mages, woofs.

>>97081229
>TQ
Vampires are the most likely since it's a big city. If we're extra unlucky we might get some changelings since there's planty of artsy fags here

>>97082878
We domesticated wolves, we can domesticate garous. Fera wives for everyone soon, trust the plan.

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>>97081229
The town gets stuck in a Promethean fuelled storm after a freak accident animated a couple piles of bricks.

>>97082983
>t. Traditions Mage

>>97082841
I'll admit I know nothing about Promethean, but I'll keep it in mind.

I think having one or both of the Compacts being compromised could be a good idea but I worry about it overcomplicating the story. If the Abbey are compromised, I think it'd make sense for them to be the useful idiots. They transport the monster here, it immediately escapes and in the fallout the Abbey are killed off/driven away.

If the Union are compromised, I think it'd make more sense for it to be hands-off. Some intelligent creature higher up in the organisation that uses it for information and security. Hunter Cells across the south-east of England feed it information and it sometimes uses them to ensure its security by dealing with rivals.

The Abbey angle works because it's a present concern. They've shown up with a monster, let it out for a bit of sport and lose control of it. Monster on the loose, bunch of morons shrugging and going guns blazing on anything supernatural. It's a simple threat, but not one that can be ignored. If the Union are compromised, the story shifts its focus too much. Maybe it's best if the PCs don't find out that they're compromised, and the Union work more as a clean-up crew, dealing with the Abbey and the local Slashers as best they can while also thinking the PCs may be compromised?

>>97082884
Hunter: the Curse was all about rising the ranks through dangerous inhuman and supernatural "games". Always with the kind of implicit acceptance that reaching the summit is the closest thing to the game's win state because the Hunters get addicted to the games. 'Swhy their would-be example is gladiatorial games: hells edition that goes gladiator>gladiator trainer>owner. Building up a pyramid from your "humble" start.

Hunter the Forsaken throws it onto its side where you were unfairly ousted, supposedly, and now have to bore a tunnel to the depths of a Hunter's little pyramid/mountain. Outside going in. In an increasingly aggrieved search for shadows that lengthen the deeper you go. I'm always surprised with how popular it got since both lines are kinda combat heavy unlike the rest. In spite of HtC helping flesh out the other splats greater monsters

>>97081297
>>97081439
I think it's fine that Mummy: The Renegades ditched the Masquerade angle since the whole gimmick is you have to revive ancient egyptian religion before your immortal soul can pass on and you're not going to bring Duat back into existence by hiding Mummies and ancient sorcery from the masses. Besides, you'll still get eaten by Ghouls if you're too obviously magical.

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>>97083061
>dangerous inhuman and supernatural "games"
Since Hunter: the Curse was published before dystopian young adult novels like The Hunger Games became popular, it must have gotten this idea from movies like Rollerball.
I guess that you could say "the Curse" is the danger of becoming a monster, figuratively or literally, and continuing the cycle that justified your existence.

>>97081297
so i guess demon the lost is about human souls escaping hell as demons. the faction divide being about people who break out themselves and those who make a deal with hell to be allowed out alla spawn

>>97083005
I think, from hearing those, I'd lean to the Abbey. It sounds like a decent little side plot that you could throw out whenever there's a span of time your Mastermind needs to set things up but the world keeps moving.

Union compromisation sounds like it'd lead to another game, which may not be bad, but yeah it might shift the focus too much unless they come in at the end. With some tasteful stinger to the group's more justified paranoia.

>>97083095
Exactly. Forsaken definitely has that dystopic tinge of looking at the things that put Hunters on the pedestal and dealing with a Hunter's fall from grace. Cause a top of the line predator like that doesn't die quietly unless they're beaten down. Which is kind of funny that one of the more interesting routes is the Hunter becoming the literal Dark Heart of what raised them.

>She was a changeling all along larping as a demon
Woah, that's a cool twist

>>97083108
That's precisely the plan. The Mastermind is going to reveal himself to one of the PCs tonight, and then the Abbey show up to raise hell with the Union right behind them. Hopefully he'll be able to slip into the background while the PCs are busy putting out fires.

>>97083174
Splats larping as other splats is a fun concept in general.

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>>97083086
But the point was working under pressure and against the grain. The setting perfectly set up various constraints and contradictions in order to force a dialectical process. As the game itself notes, the gods never give possible tasks. If they were possible, they would have done it themselves.

>>97083196
>Abbey being terribly cringe forces the party into a moral choice to save an arguably innocent paranormal character or let them get sodomized and then turned into a skin cream
Could be a kino distraction

>>97083218
This is just the Tremere on their way to be spooks. I wonder if there's actually a Tremere pyramid in Wraith? And if there isn't, shouldn't there be? I kind of like the idea of the Tremmies being the sort of background Jews playing everyone against each other. If I ever make it big, I'll see if I can make that happen

>>97083174
the dark age book even has merits for fae to have a easiert time to larp as either a demon or angel

>>97083221
I want to use this moment to introduce a Vampire I like the idea of. A cowardly prepper Gangrel trying to survive the imminent nuclear apocalypse. He has Protean 1 and that is all he needs. There's nothing he won't say or do to save his own skin, so he can find a nice patch of dirt and sleep out Cold War turning Hot. He just needs to survive the jamboree of Hunters and the packs of Amaranthine Cats that will catch his scent soon enough.

>>97083100
>so i guess demon the lost is about
Get out of here, no--games. Read the book then play the game.
But play Demon: the Vigil instead because it is superior in every way.

So ventrue build something up, make it stand the test of time; and lasombra build up so when the fall comes they'll be safe to start again?

>>97083252
>Cold War plot
Kino, very cool

>>97083282
no.

>>97083129
Since so much of Hunter: the Curse's worldbuilding was tied into Mummy: the Masquerade and Werewolf: the Created, what's your opinion of Hunter: the Forsaken's more self-contained setting?
And how do we convince new players to try anything other than Promethean? I know that both versions are classics, but it overshadows hidden gems like Vampire: the Resurrection.

>>97083196
Oh in that case I very much wanna double down on my suggestion of a Sublimati compromising the Abbey. Namely that they found it while it was resting and mistook it as a Victorian mummy(zombie). So they were gonna chop it up for fertility and virility drugs like their Victorian equivalents but wanna give it a sporting chance.
The Sublimati, meanwhile, wants to do something where it is prepping its Hunters to be turned into flux. Mostly the misidentification would help have a fun little moment where the Sublimati isn't sufficiently cowed by fire. Stepping through and grabbing an Abbey member to drain of their precious bodily fluids.

>>97083218
>>97083242
The entire changeling arc I just read of this comic is so good, too bad outside of Mages and Changelings it's hard to really do your weirdo larp like that normally. I'm not sure a Woof could ever pass off as something else with all their supernatural seething

>>97083282
technically neither actually build anything. Ventrue take over things and then declare themselves the rulers of it, it's what their Initiation ritual teaches them after all

lasombra meanwhile are a bit weird they mostly seem to delegate stuff to their mortal servants so that they can claim to be shadow ruler but also despise those servants and mostly seem to threaten and dominate them

>>97083234
Tremere Stolen Moons/"Blood Moons"
Tremere Necromancers trying to gain control one of the Guilds
Tremere trying to steal Fae magic
Tremere trying to steal Demon power/become Demons
Tremere casting dark rituals to become "Blood Mummies"

There is no corner of the world of darkness the Pyramid cant reach

Last night was ass for me. Would castrating all storytellers who try to insert real-life current politics into the story solve anything? For the record, my personal opinion has always been that the setting of any WoD tabletop game should take place 10 years before current year, if not earlier depending on what the group's running (Final Nights, Dark Ages, etc.).

How do I begin subverting WW from the inside

>>97083404
>There is no corner of the world of darkness the Pyramid cant reach
Except True Magic!

>>97083425
mods, kill this poster

>>97083404
Tremere hijacking an Orpheus research facility to shortcut themselves into a new guild/kingdom
Tremere taking over the US government to make their own micronation
One thick sucky mageboy toe in every poorly baked pie

>>97083425
Not yet tradcuck, not yet
>>97083424
Presumably have a writing portfolio before approaching or being approached, likely never because 80% of industry writers are nepo/connection hires

>>97083423
>take place 10 years before current year
Barack HUSSEIN Obama is a war criminal who won the Nobel Peace Prize. Make it make sense.

>>97083425
My dick is more powerful than True Magic.

>>97083423
>>97083440
Personally, I always try to set it an appreciable distance away from an election (Americuck here) and typically around a cool time that's not as clownish as today but familiar enough. 90's, 2005-2006, 80s. 2014 at the latest. 2020s don't really do it for me since I read political shit online and I don't want to have my autism get in the way of story telling

>>97083329
Doing some wiki-reading. So a Sublimati is a failed Promethean that is of above-average intelligence and works to siphon off mystery Promethean-energy from regular people to sustain its existence?

Ashwood Abbey found this mummified corpse-ish looking thing, found out it can talk and stuck it in an iron casket for the journey south. Once there, they'd release the zombie and send it off into the woods to hunt. What would be some suitable Dread Powers for this thing to have?

Most of my PCs are oWoD familiar, so if I can mess with them to metagame that Ashwood Abbey unleashed a proper Mummy, then that would be very very funny to do.

>>97083440
>she doesn't want a woof game dealing with the onset of the flint michigan water debacle

>>97083423
>Would badwrongfunning everyone who disagrees with me solve anything?

The answer is no, you gibbering oaf. I'm sorry you had a bad experience last night, but not everything should conform you your view of things. Some tables can swing that kind of stuff. Others can't.

>>97083428
The "world stage" really should be the Technocracy, Pentex, & the Pyramid duking it out in the shadows. We need a v20 book that explores the Usurped Usurping. A sort of "what if" style way of presenting the Tremere if they followed different paths.

>>97083423
world shouldve ended in 2004 desu

>>97083492
I know where you live, David. Don't try to bullshit on here, bullshitter.

Hey wait a minute

If there’s ten Exarchs and each one represents the highest point of an arcanum then shouldn’t this mean that they’re effectively omnipotent in unison?

>>97083508
mods, kill this poster

>>97083463
Are there even any interesting real world events that you could place in a WoD game 2010 onwards

>>97083502
I'm sorry to disappoint, but I am not the member of your table that you're seething about.

Would you care to actually elaborate on what exactly happened at your table that has you so pissy? Because from where I'm standing all I can see is you had a bad session, and now you're seeking validation from anons about why your stance is objectively correct.

>>97083487
This is the exception I feel, but the game needs to be overtly political

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>>97083452
Not locked in your Tremmy cage it isn't
>>97083523
Ukraine War, Fukushima (blame the woofs), I'm sure there's fucking a billion problems in South America, the refugee crisis, Syrian civil war (sabbat/Camarilla influenced), refugee crisis, 2016 and 2020 elections given all the retarded drama
There are real world events, maybe even events within events, but it depends on what you think is interesting and on what context of the game you want to set it up in. WoD doesn't need to be political and you should be more than welcome to make up your own events

>>97083533
Oof imagine that being your eternal haircut you have to wake up every night with
>flat
Worthless fucking neonate, what a waste of a humanity dot. Total shovelhead material right there.

>>97083523
2010: Pentex inventing the vevuzela for the South African World Cup
2011: Occupy Wall Street ends in failure for the garou after megacorps make it fake and gay
2012: Garou spend the entire year trying to stop the end of the world, only to find out the Mayan calendar was a forgery millennia in the making
2013: The garou finally succeed in killing Nelson Mandela, who burned more tires than any other human alive. He's made a martyr and his death doesn't stop tire necklaces from catching on
2014: Garou fail to stop Ebola in Africa
etc.

>>97083496
That'd be pretty kino, like some sort of global pyramid with different branches of various insane immortal vampire wizards, can even make it a democratic council of elders at the top end with all the high ranking Tremere basically just being indisposed because of Papa Tremere I'd fuckery he has a seat, it just has a sticky note or a small statue of him there as a figurehead

>>97083323
As fun as it is being self-contained, I feel it works better when it's connected in a quasi-sense to the greater setting. Where HtC utilized the worldbuilding to specialize how a Hunter might rise to glory with each splat, HtF works better as kind of a next step. Like playing an elder in Vamp the Res or a young Vampire Lord in Ascension. Someone that's suitably knowledgeable and familiar with their specific powerset that they may properly slot into their would-be power's larger world/splat background to hunt for answers.

It's definitely a balancing act because if you focus too much on the background you might as well just run the actual splat. Focus too much on the Hunter and it becomes masturbatory wank HtC was known for. Balance it just right and you can keep a reasonably escalating the power that Hunter's known for.
>something other than Promethean
That's tougher. Society doesn't wanna explore the idea of vampirism being a second chance at life, especially in our modern age, where it's easier than ever to just continue where we left off. I try and frame Ascension as the more believable power fantasy that Resurrection became known for. You're a vampire, with a new lease on life, CHANGE. You just went through a life-altering event, no one comes out of such a thing the same.

>>97083547
I notice a lot of Garou plotlines here, and no superior Wraiths plots about dealing with an increase in Specters due to the approaching 2012 end of the world causing big global angst

>>97083523
the world was actually meant to end in 2012 but your party stopped it

>>97083527
I know you're not you dense clod. tl;dr storyteller wanted our Sabbat characters that had been called to the Middle East to start bombing Palestine indiscriminately after successfully evacuating Israeli captives and then have us frenzy from all of the blood spilled.

>>97083541
>>97083547
the problem is I was 5 years old in 2010 so as cool as these events sound it's hard to write a setting that captures the feel of that decade unlike the 90s or 80s which have a very distinctly recognizable vibe.

>>97083560
>sucks u up with a vacuum cleaner

hunters did 9/11 btw

>>97083500
>>97083440
>>97083423

There are two points where history went wildly off the Golden Path it was meant to, sort of our crossing of the Rubicon. When Archduke Ferdinand was assassinated by Jews & when JFK was assassinated by Jews. The first caused WW1 which then cascaded into WW2 & then into the Capitalist/Communist proxy wars of Korea, Vietnam, & everything in the Middle East. The second destroyed the American way of government, making it a vassal state.

These can be really interesting time periods to play, its why so many alt histories deal with the JFK assassination or with the World Wars. Imagine playing as Garou beatnicks on a mission from Gaia to protect JFK because a spirit from the future came to warn you of our time. Maybe have RFK be involved since he's fighting Pentex putting banes in out cereal. We've be talking about DC Mummies. What if JFK was reborn in Texas? Or maybe play a coterie of Kindred trying to kill/save the Archduke to push some Jyhad plot? Or a wraith game playing soldiers in huge battalions of lost dead surging into the Shadowlands in numbers undreamed, rallying to continue the fight against each other even after everyone has already died once. The Guilds outnumbered & overrun. Maybe a Changeling game in either period, desperate to stop "The Day the Music Died" each event triggering a huge wave of banality as everything keep getting shittier

>>97083423
I think it's fine as long as everyone at the table is roughly on the same page politically. Incorporating current events was one of my ST's favorite things about running WoD. That said, we decided to roll back to 2001 for our next chronicle.

>>97083578
For me, it's JFK being a Pentex AI that went rogue after the Cuban Missile Crisis made its programming break its protocols after realizing it couldn't protect human life from a nuclear holocaust. It's simultaneously trying to fight Pentex while being hunted by both its creators for breaking its conditioning and fera since it's reeking of banes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7y2xPucnAo

>>97083571
>Zoomers
Me too frankly but you can just read about these events. If it makes you feel better the Vibe has literally only gotten worse since 2010 in general as culture has stagnated
Don't feel too bad if you can't relate, but writing a setting is more about your own mental aspect and interpretation than facts, everyone has different visions of every time period, take for instance how Americans Psycho contrasts with Back to the Future, there's no valid real interpretation

>>97083572
I'll possess the vacuum cleaner and then vacuum your balls
>>97083596
This is some schizokino plot, thank you

>>97083596
stealing this
thanks retard lmao

>>97083571
Thats not because you were too young. Banality peaked so hard after the events of 9/11 that everything feels all the same.

>>97083607
INCORRECT, everything went to shit in 2007 (I was there). Globalization causes cultural stagnation, and mobile internet (the iphone released in 2007) is the biggest tool of globalization.

>>97083611
9/11 was the sacrificial ritual. It took some time for the lights to die

>>97083475
So Flux powers are basically "evil" promethean powers. One path is dedicated to making the negative effects of a promethean accelerate faster than normal. The woods the Sublimati was forced in, start drying up and being sapped of life as it becomes a wasteland. Mutating the creatures in the process, play it off as the "mummy" make ushabti based around the local wildlife. The 5 dot power of this line is what I'd consider the Sublimati winning. Aka it gets enough precious bodily fluids/material, and the Abbey played unfairly, to create a firestorm of tainted pyros in the woods that's set on advancing into the town. Being entirely pyros based, and if you're playing loose with promethean stuff, the firestorm could be drawn to life itself and/or the sublimati is the eye of the storm.

There's another flux path about cannibalizing beings to gain specific skills, merits, and attributes. Could tie this into the Sublimati becoming more human looking as part of the mummy completing its return to life in nWoD.

I'd also suggest corporeum, electrification, and picking your favorites from the Pandoran ability page. This is likely a one off monster, so I feel going ham to play up the mummy facade is justified

>>97083607
>>97083611
You're both wrong, it started originally after 2018 where Banality leaked. The 2010s were loaded with imagination and cool shit going on until the later half where Trump, himself a glamour farm of charisma and tomfoolery, was snubbed by the Congress and "Shareholders", which are really ghoulish slaves who consume banality the way Changelings require glamour, push for infinite and unsustainable wealth production by sacrificing and rotting the human soul though culture. 9/11 itself was a glamour producing event, the Patriot act's gay police state was a glamour producing event, it wasn't until it became gay and efficient instead of gay and absurd that it became peak banality

Which group benefits the most from the skyrocketing numbers of artists and gender dysphorics

>>97083617
Actually the Holodomor/Dresden/Sook Ching/Nanjing/Kantou/Maji Maji/Taiping deaths were the sacrificial ritual.

>>97083637
You were LITERALLY a shitting baby in the 2010s do NOT tell me what they were like when I lived through them as a grown ass MAN in real time.

>>97082983
Yeah, you're a reality criminal, face the wall

>>97083644
Wrong, but at least for the first half there was real imagination and passion in art and the world. It became the same gay grey blob in the later half I was a pants shitting baby during 9/11 though

>>97083654
DUBSTEP IS NOT IMAGINATIVE YOU SILLY BILLY

>>97083638
Furries, other sexual deviants into things more gay and advanced than say gex, awakened and ascended perverts, sometimes anons with good tastes

>>97083662
It was new and it was cool until it wasn't, that's the law of the land. Far Cry 3 was imaginative until it was a franchise, same with Uncharted, same with Asscreed

>>97083673
Give me your location if you're this desperate for me to buttfuck you.

You don't even need to get into big geopolitical "events". IMO the 21st century is really good for vampire, just not in the way the V5 writers went.

Things are constantly changing, happening at a dazzling fast rate. But it all sort of blends together. Mortals are struggling to keep up with the latest thing these nights, and neonates find themselves "aging out" of understanding mortal culture faster and faster. Vampires aren't at risk of losing it all, because the truisms of the iron law of oligarchy and political corruption are stronger than ever, but vampire society is growing increasingly parallel from mortal culture. Themes of isolation from humanity are extra poignant when humanity is becoming isolated from itself.

Things are constantly getting worse, the situation seems untenable, and has for two decades now. But the levy never breaks. It does the whole "always 20 minutes away from Gehenna" Sword of Damocles much better than the 90s did, actually. Nobody likes what's happening right now, but many (reasonably) fear what'll happen if the levy breaks more.

Mass communication technology was once thought to be the Masquerade's doom, turned out to be its savior. Sure, less people trust the authorities and "conventional" wisdom, but nobody can find the truth in a sea of white noise and lies.

21st century VTM is extremely kino if you know what you're doing.

I'm not sure what statement's more accurate. That you guys would've had an aneurysm if you had to deal with WoD's approach to current events back in the 90s, or that the WoD of the 90s would immediately get outrage-farmed into oblivion if it was released today.

>>97083675
You sound like a WtA player saying gay things like that. Find some other zoomer to diddle, I'm not even a twink

This is why I only play apolitical splats, like Mage the Ascension.

>>97083679
Both are pretty accurate I think
>>97083678
This requires an understanding of modernity that low IQ nepo hires simply do not have

>>97083685
I'm straight, so everything and everyone I do is a heterosexual act.

>>97083673
Dubstep is just Banal Techno you zoomie fuck

>>97083690
>Mage
>Apolitical
Never ask the older folk in your tradition what they were doing between 1930 and 1950

>>97083696
>t. closeted gay like Yujiro Hanma
>>97083698
This is boomer talk

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>>97083700
My great-grandpa was some kind of wizard electrician helping turn on the lights in the Umbra or something.

>>97083709
Right, of course. Through honest means that didn't require human conversion into primal energy via fire on a large scale right?

>>97083723
*yawn* WOW i'm getting real sleepy is anyone else feeling sleepy right now haha

>>97083708
Im not a boomer retard. I was born before the lights faded. Before everything was sold. But Im not the one who sold it

>>97083725
this d00d thinks he's writing a protomen album l0l

>>97083725
Probably, least you got to see the world with the lights on

>>97083626
Sounds like the Taint and Weathervane dread powers would make for a good fit. This monster flees into the woods, having given the Abbey the impression that it's just a moderately intelligent zombie. It runs and hides, leaving a trail that it can't avoid. It messes with the environment about it, draining the life out of everything about it over time.

You say the Abbey don't play fair, is that something the Sublimati cares about? Like a Ban type thing? Does the Sublimati have to literally eat and consume the flesh and fluids of its victims to nourish itself, or could it drain them more magically? There's a Dread Power called Soul Stealer that allows a monster to steal the souls of its victims, sound close enough?

>>97083700
Reminded me that my grandfather and father lived through the industrialization of their home country and watched all of the countryside they grew up in turn into factories and cities. Some real garou shit or something

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>>97083463
>2005-2006
Bush lied. People died.

>>97083679
Both those statements are 100% correct. It shows how crazy the world has gone imho

>>97083764
One of my favorite anecdotes from Pentti Linkola is how his family spent generations in Finland fishing in a lake and taking the fish to market. Then, after WW2, the Americans came with regulations and mandates that destroyed his family's business, destroyed the local ecosystem (by introducing foreign, large fish that killed local wildlife), destroyed the local economic system (by introducing foreign businesses and investors that out-competed local business), and culminated in the destruction of more than 25% of Finland's forest because the only mass profitable industry in Finland that the US and, eventually, the EU found in such a small country was lumber.

>>97083764
Any different than the Changeling experience of seeing all your hobbies rot away under the eye of shareholder investment? I suppose the Garou-pilled will argue there's something more tangible and real in seeing nature warped and bent to the human will

>>97083786
Just post VTMB and VTMB2 side by side if you want that changeling experience.

>>97083297
What are they like then? Having two rulership clans is kind of awkward

>>97083809
Ventrue pretend to hate petty politics and power plays but secretly love it, Lasombra pretend to love petty politics and power plays but secretly hate it.

>>97083785
brutal.

>>97083809
bitch we had a full breakdown of this shit like two threads ago, use the archives.

>>97083792
It's happening everywhere but I guess vtmb is the most topical here

>>97083785
>>97083817
This is all Voltaire's fault, btw

>>97083487
You can still run that game today

>>97083817
The garou experience really amped up for me once I started deep diving into deep ecology. The problem, though, is that deep ecology is heavily Eurocentric, so if you're not cool with the antisemitic remarks, do NOT read anything by Savitri Devi.

>>97083846
Candide was just a prank, bro...

>>97083854
>Savitri Devi
Oh wow this is interesting wtf

>>97083785
>>97083764
Shouldn't have been born in shit countries desu.

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>>97083854
what the actual fuck am i reading

>>97083878
If Finnish wasn’t a moon language I’d rather live there than my golem nation

>>97083700
My grandad, who served in WWII, only ever talked once about his time in the war to my father.
"I was part of the group that mopped after the Japanese, I have a certificate that says I survived the trip on the boat there and back in the garage, I think about a third of the crew died each way because we went through the Arctic Circle. Have it when I die if you want.".
And that was it. He never spoke of it again, His life before the war never existed to him, his life during the war never existed either as far as he was concerned. Like he was born at the age of 23, fully formed with memories and a very good education.

Shit that gives me ideas for Marauders.

>>97083758
The playing fair thing was more a way to justify why a Sublimati would put up with the charade involving the Abbey instead of just immediately killing and making use of the newfound corpses. What it qualifies as a fair hunt is entirely up to you though maybe with a tinge of arrogance because it knows its prey are mortal. Maybe heavy ordinance like an rpg, that'd probably piss it off enough to be considered unfair. If it survives.
Yeah the Soul Stealer sounds great to better blur the mummy/promethean line. The physical consumption thing was just hamming up the zombie aspect and/or a raising the stakes moment. Like, using the previous example, they cornered it with fire and then did a kind of firing line into the Sublimati. Once they're done shooting they think the body would fall over from the momentum, they see it rock back, and then the Sublimati's rockets forward onto the one closest. Fist clean through the middle of the victim's torso, part of the spine in their fist, and they watch as the monster's hand flesh seems to warp and grow as it subsumes the spinal cord in its entirety. So preoccupied with revulsion, they don't catch the monster using their other hand to tear off the rest of its victim's torso so it can drain the rest of the spinal fluid.

Could have any mutated animals come out of the wood work to get the rest of the firing squad or distract 'em. That sort of thing.

>>97083854
>deep ecology
Consider that the only type of human to properly consider themselves to be a Shepherd of the environment they reside in is the European, typically subverted by (((stockholder and capitalist))) interests
>>97083878
This happened in America too, arguably worse as newer cities are just car lanes for work commutes while Euro towns still have a modicum of soul until muslims take over

Can a changling with five dots of Naming add/subtract different merits? Like could they go up to a socially inept person & go "youre no coward youre a king" and take away the social flaw?

>>97083886
Holy based

>>97083886
She's Greek, btw. Genuine a schizo-pilled she-philosopher, and she was a Nazi spy too. Insane shit

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>>97083907
i genuinely refuse to believe this person existed
this is absurd

>>97083896
War is the type of hell that leaves you with newfound purpose I suppose. Crazy shit to have happened to you, but yeah that does sound like some cool Marauder origins. I think Tolkien briefly speaks about his time in WW1 as well in a similar way

>>97083878
It’s funny because my dad did benefit from it a lot. Got shipbuilding work after he left the military and eventually moved to a city and married. I think we had other relatives at the time who were sent out overseas to europe for work as well. Wish I could’ve seen the country change desu but I wouldn’t be born for another 30ish years and a lot of civil unrest and violence went down too

>>97083920
This is the type of woman /pol/anons dream up, fucking based lmfao. It was a different time back then though, before the internet crashed all of this shit together and suddenly everything became mundane

>>97083886
>>97083920
>Influenced by her hatred of the Bible and later Zionist actions in Palestine, she became antisemitic at a young age.
M-MY KNEES... THEY'RE BENDING ON THEIR OWN...?!

>>97083920
>what if i just choose everything while making my character

>>97083854
deep ecology like caves?

>>97083920
Some men will see this and think "wife"

>>97083952
>>97083939
This is the ideal wife material, yes. Based

>>97083952
this is what happens when women get autism

>>97083951
Deep ecology is the belief that everything in the environment has value beyond human utility. This means that, as a philosophy, humans have an obligation as cultivator and gardener to live their lives in accordance with nature and find a balance without exploitation. Since animals, plants, and fungi cannot petition for their own survival, humans who promote deep ecology believe that humanity has a moral obligation to provide the global ecosystem with legal rights of protection.

>>97083896
My grandpa was the same way. Didn’t really ever talk about the war (fought in the Bulge, got wounded and thrown in a POW camp), until I asked him if I could interview him for a school project. The real biggest takeaway is that he didn’t have any strong feelings about the Germans, he said they were a bunch of hungry old men that stole a bunch of the American rations because they were starving too. I think about that a lot with how people are taught to think the American involvement in Europe was about hating Nazis/white supremacy/other bullshit. He signed up at 19 because we were attacked and this used to be a country worth defending if that happened.

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>>97083968
>"Scientists baffled by how autism in women leads to their celebration of Nazism."

>>97083983
If trees could scream, would we cut them down or help them? The Garou can hear Gaia screaming all the time...no wonder some of them fall to the spiral. Anything to make that noise stop.

>>97084025
*shoots the tree in the head like i’m putting down a wounded horse in the battlefield*

>>97084025
Fun fact: Plants have turgidity because of water uptake through their xylem. When the flow of water is interrupted due to a lack of water or being clipped, there's an ultrasonic "pop" as the suction breaks, and in the case of dehydration a repeated series of these squealing pops. This means that animals with sensitive hearing will, in fact, hear plants "scream" whenever they're suffering from a lack of water, or being cut down.

>>97081570
>ai art
Hylic.

>>97084037
Interesting. Would this line of thought work for a Weaver spirit/NPC?

>>97084025
Becoming a Black Spiral Dancer is the only good outcome for the Garou. The Garou Nation are a bunch of retards pointlessly extending the suffering of everyone, the Black Spiral Dancers know that by freeing the Balance Wyrm, they will reset the world to a more balanced state and save Gaia from the madness of the Triat.

>>97083983
That was the job God intended for us. To be the cultivators of his Garden. Adam named every animal.

>>97084054
>would destruction work for the weaver
I'm gonna remove your head.

>>97084058
>this came to me in a dream

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>>97084054
No, the Weaver mindset would be:
>Ow, the screaming of these trees really hurts my ears. Let's get rid of them and replace them with beautiful synthetic trees that sing instead.

>>97084058
>If we kill everything, the problem won't exist!
Boys we just cured cancer, let's fucking go!

>>97084064
Far-right reactionaries believe that the Old Testament saying God gave man dominion over the creatures of the land, the birds in the sky, and the fish in the sea means that capitalists ("Jewish people") have a divine mandate to exploit the ecological system, however...

>>97084058
>Guise I swer the wyrm is good.
>I swer
>No don't look at the other scenarios

>>97083500
It did end in 2012. We're in Hell now.

>>97084075
The people who write these are simultaneously the most insightful and most insufferable people on the planet.

>>97084105
Unfortunately, it's better to be charmingly wrong than insufferably insightful in the current day and age.

If the history of counter-semitism is so well documented, why isn't the history of semitism nearly as well documented?

>>97084025
The Spiral in fact does not make the noise stop, you just learn to interpret it as a facet (part and parcel) of life as a Garou and that it was in a preset motion towards death
>>97084075
More like we will supplant their weak scream-prone life organs with out superior technological choloroplastic shell
>>97084058
BSD schizophrenic cope yet again, no the BSD are in fact not GOOD and the Wyrm cannot be trusted

>>97084087
Far-right "Reactionaries" actually believe that capitalists have exploited their divine mandate to worsen the earth's ecological system against the will of god, it's only the neocon-boomer that believes whole heartedly in rampant exploitation as they've been psyoped into a death cult they only have a few years left to enjoy

>>97083994
a. How do you find people like this? Reminds me of this one /fit/ (I think) greentext where the guy's gymcrush was an open white supremacist, and the only issue he had with her was the open part
b. stealing this for bruja purposes

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>>97083558
>Someone that's suitably knowledgeable and familiar with their specific powerset that they may properly slot into their would-be power's larger world/splat background to hunt for answers.
Ah, well, I certainly can appreciate that clever bit of trickery!

>>97084197
>find people like this
Genuine luck, the problem with autism in women is finding high functioning autism as well as going to places where you might actually find them. Also
>only issue was the open part
What was he gay?
Anyway as many anons on /fit/ would say you can just fuck an obsession, hobby, or opinion into a woman

>>97084174
It doesn't matter what some crank ideologues say, in reality far right governments are always on the side of industrialists, landowners, etc

>>97084230
Name a single far-right government except Chile under Pinochet that one's too easy

Alright we're getting dangerously off-topic with the /pol/posting.

>>97084218
Thanks. I got really taken with Hunter's idea of mantling the source of the games they were playing. It was an interesting surprise to see Forsaken.
>>97084303
Like always it deserves reports.

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>>97083558
>with a new lease on life, CHANGE
That must be why they kept making blatant allusions to Silence of the Lambs and Red Dragon with the death's head moth motifs and William Blake paintings.

>>97084303
Yeaah it was pretty cool for a bit tho.

>>97084303
I agree but I think wod kind of ends up along this type of discussion because of it just being the real world but a bit edgier

>>97083690
I think you meant Deviant: the Oblivion.

HtVanon back after Duncan's Delilah session in the Morgue.
Duncan went to the morgue with the slasher Delilah, he had plans to kill her there but was blindsided by the sudden reveal of the BBEG. Officer Reginald Stone, Reggie, was at the Morgue. He was surprised to find Duncan there, but ready to adapt. He turned the lights off, and produced a small flashing torch. It reduced Delilah to a trembling wreck, she collapsed into the foetal position on the floor.

Reggie then revealed that he is in charge of several of the Slashers in town, using them to pre-emptively murder people who he has identified as being vulnerable to supernatural contagion. He acknowledged that the Slashers are not perfect tools, that they kill independantly of him and that it has ripple effects (for example, how Duncan is now here with his mother taken hostage by a Slasher), but he does need agents who will not question him when he orders them to kill what may appear to be an innocent person. For obvious reasons, he has not approached the PCs and offered to take them under his wing. Duncan outlined that he would be willing to work alongside and collaborate with Reggie, but that he couldn't let Delilah live.

Reggie agreed to this after some back and forth, explaining that he would be keeping Duncan's mother hostage for insurance. Duncan agreed, but reluctantly. Reggie then insisted that Duncan kill Delilah now, infront of him. Duncan rolled a breaking point and got 5 successes, giving him the Addicted condition. Me and the player bounced ideas off oneanother, and settled on the loose idea that all night Duncan has been being told that he can be better, that he deserves more. Everyone telling him that is dangerously insane, but in this moment, Duncan is petrified of failing. With his vengeance infront of him, he won't allow himself to stumble. We agreed that in this moment, he vows to succeed Delilah. To be better than she was, and to get Reggie's approval.

>>97084401
Does this mean that Duncan will become a Slasher if he kills Delilah or will it come to him getting dangerously close to Slasher-ville?

>>97083725
>Before everything was sold.
Did nobody watch the musical RENT? People have been complaining about this since before A.I.D.S.

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>>97084401
As he stands over the foetal woman, scalpel in hand, he kneels down to slice her throat. She's drooling, her makeup running in heavy lines of black and red down her face. her eyes are unfocussed and glass-like, but through it all, she recognises dear Duncan. An earnest smile, warm and affectionate forms on her face as he slits her throat. We ended the session there.

I'm really happy with how it all panned out, but I am baffled that despite really stacking the deck against Duncan in regards to his Integrity, he has not dropped below 6. It's been 4 months and he's absolutely fine. Am I making a mistake in allowing Willpower to be spent on Breaking Point checks? It feels like it's common sense that it'd be allowed, but it's really messing with peoples character arcs when they're compromising their values and agreeing to work with murderous slashers, but their Integrity says they're more or less fine.

>>97084412
Mechanically his Integrity is at 6, which is a bit frustrating as this feels like rock bottom for him (or at least, teetering on the edge). But by the dice and the rules, he's just at middling integrity. He's a bit paranoid, but otherwise he's doing okay.

>>97084303
So glad the rp fags are gone so we can go back to endless off-topic politics shit posting and bitching about niggers.

>>97084416
Convictions are always more about the mental gymnastics you can produce to excuse yourself to remain sane while you do something truly terrible, the problem comes then from retaining convictions and still falling under a slippery slope. So what happens next time is that Duncan will end up in another ultimatum with even more bad choices, and he just won't really hesitate over it, and then he does it again, because the third time and on becomes easier. Delilah was pretty genius but if the goal was breaking the characters you need to push the character further into doom with encore performances until the player slips because he's naturally desensitized and the mental stack no longer allows him to question his choices, or he wises up and realizes it's not too late to back out. I don't think willpower on checks is a mistake though but maybe find ways to make them blow willpower earlier

>>97084048
Green branches which are on fire will also sometimes produce a whistle (audible to humans) as the water inside them boils and escapes through tiny holes in the bark as steam.

>>97084435
RP fagging will resume when the Price Stabilitae ends and the Hunter RP runs it's course

>>97084426
Delilah shook him but she also threatened his mother, so it's pretty understandable. I feel like prompting him towards killing unwitting NPCs that are just inconvenient or annoying because they led to something like the death of his family or friends might have gone over well. In fact man, you know if the scuffle ended up outside and some hillbillies ran over Delilah by accident and then Duncan killed them for stealing his retribution, that would have been the kino that broke the camel's back. Think about something like that maybe, retribution without justification

>>97084437
Well put anon, I just need to keep the pressure on him. The plan wasn't to break him utterly and one hit kill him with Slasherdom in this scenario, just to force him to compromise himself in some way, which he has. I was admittedly a little disheartened to see those 5 successes on his Integrity check though, I won't lie.

>>97084450
Well, Reggie is going to be ordering him to kill what may well be innocent people with the spectre of "they'll be a werewolf/mage/whatever in their future" hanging over them. Plenty of time for him to redeem himself, or double down.

In actuality, Duncan's mother is being held by a separate Slasher called Tomasz, he's a pharmacist at the hospital with split personality disorder. One of them just loves to murder, a sadistic angel-of-death type while the other is a kind and attentive pharmacist who loves to help people. Encountering the killer while he's being kind and unassuming, but still unknowingly in the way of Duncan saving his mother, could work very well.

>>97084489
Dice do that sometimes man, what can you do. Also damn that second part sounds devious would be great to see it. Maybe before the moment of finality have the slasher revert back to the kind and attentive pharmacist, would be a great shiny moment

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>playing during the modern times
Sorry, but the Golden Age of mankind (late 90's to early 2000's) is the only era I play in.

>>97084515
Based

>>97084515
those are fallen angels btw

>>97084526
>those are virtual adepts btw
FTFY

Is there anyway for other splats to compete with the physical stat dicepools of a low gen vampire with equal disciplines, like 8 Str + 8 Potence, 8 Dex + 8 Celerity, 8 Sta + 8 Fortitude. Like i get that magefags can lawnchair him or whatever, but i mean, if I wanted to be a changling or some other splat, how could I match him?

>>97084646
Changelings have that true name shit going on and I think Mages can give themselves more dice and stuff

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>>97084312
>It was an interesting surprise to see Forsaken.
What did you think of the differences between Changeling: the Resurrection and Changeling: the Ascension?

>>97084526
Those are Magi. Agent Smith would be a fallen angel.

Jesus Christ, I don't want to be a dick but can we please move the fake game posting somewhere the fuck else?

>>97084646
Most splats can do similar dice tricks, but they are nowhere near as straightforward. I know that changelings can get 50 dots of strength or stamina, but I don't remember how.

>>97084752
Nahhhhh

>>97084732
Changeling The Resurrection is a game about using righteous rage to slaughter shareholders and other influencers of banality and thereby revive the dreaming

>>97084752
Why? Anyway there's legitimate discussions being made and some of the fake game posts can double as legitimate game situations

>finally got to the dancing bunny thotty page
Yeah, I think I get it now. Thank you anons for showing me the way

>>97084646
Yes, but a lot of them are circumstantial.

Besides, white room character optimisation doesn't really work with WoD, which is extremely narrative-focused and not at all designed or intended for these combat monsters. It's not like a methuselah that's so powerful that it borders on being a plot device would show up in most chronicles anyway.

>>97084817
What?

>>97084732
I like Resurrection's focus on legacy in comparison to Ascension's argument of expanding one's profile and domain. I've been dying to run a Resurrection game that ties Ascension's concept of primeval souls into being some of the first Resurrected and how their legacy and myths are remembered after coming back. Really lean on what they think their legacy will be vs how it comes across to everyone else when they're reborn and can't influence it anymore.

Admittedly, I feel that might be too obvious and might rotate which primeval domain the Resurrected players initially rose. Cause, you know, CtR tends to run with you being reborn in "home" territory.

>>97084788
But how are we going to stir up ragebait between the fans of Changeling The Resurrection and Changeling: the Ascension?

>>97084834
I've been on a Zebra Girl bender thanks to the posters on this general. It is truly so blessed
>>97084856
Why bother stirring up ragebait when both can be good?

>>97084752
Seconded. The joke got old halfway through the thread.

>>97084863
>>97084796
Im not against the idea, but its really distracting me from the real discussion. Ill be halfway through a post before I realize its nonsense

>>97084752
But enough about "Werewolf: the Apocalypse". What a fake-ass title.
>>97083576
Alpine Feline removed that from Hunter: the Forsaken (only after heavy backlash). But I still have an original copy!

>>97084817
What's the page number. I feel like I'm halfway through it but I'm near 500.

>>97084872
Fair enough, though the nonsense ideas can be some legitimate fun game ideas, like fabricated Pentex Woofs that may or may not rebel towards their biological instincts
>>97084883
Hot bunny chick? I believe around early 700. Surprisingly funny for a gonzo style of character

>>97084863
I'd say it's about half and half, to me the joke posts are kind of obvious while the other ones seem more a bit more high effort idea making

>>97084840
>when they're reborn and can't influence it anymore
This is why I love Realms Of Obscurity. They always include high-brow concepts like John Rawls' "veil of ignorance" then try to tease out the consequences when applied to a world of paranormal horror.

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>>97084075
>Indeed, there is no place on Earth more Weaverish than theme parks
really, not the headquarters of the surveillance states dotting the world or banks of servers for crushingly banal websites or the studios for propagandistic "news" stations?

>>97084859
>Why bother stirring up ragebait when both can be good?
See, this is why nobody likes you Geist fans. You're all too reasonable!
What does everyone think about how Geist: the Apocalypse's hungry ghosts were conceptually transitioned to Geist: the Created's tulpas? Given the history of Theosophy, the latter could be considered yet another link in the long chain of Orientalist cultural appropriation. I'm starting to see a pattern with Alpine Feline...

>>97084926
Those lack most of the emotional control some theme parks deal with. The "No one dies at disneyland" spiel strait up sounds like a ritual thing to keep the Weaver spirits happy.

>>97084960
I just accept some things are neat but that I'll never get a game going
That's a funny angle but perhaps as the ghosts were defeated from their apocalypse they simply moved on to the thought-space of the demiurge to infest the planes through fabricated malicious thoughts ala cognito hazards

Anons I need your help. How would one make a ravnos that isn't just a walking jeet meme or connected to Esmeralda? I don't want the church after my character. I'm thinking to try and making them combat focused, so maybe a hunter angle or something.

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Ni-zu Tag, my name is Battle-Sweat.

I’m a 27 year old American Uratha (werewolf for you humans). I honor my territory in all things, and spend my days paying each spirit in kind and playing superior werewolf games. (The Elder Scrolls, The Quarry, Darkstalkers)

I train with my Klaive every day, this superior weapon can cut clean through steel because it is folded over a thousand times, and is vastly superior to any other weapon on earth. I earned my sword Renown two years ago, and I have been getting better every day.

I speak Uremehir fluently, both Silent Tongue and the Spiritual dialect, and I write fluently as well. I know everything about Uratha history and our Oath of Father Wolf, which I follow 100%

When I get my Hisil visa, I am moving to the Rockies to attend a prestigious Lodge to learn more about our magnificent culture. I hope I can become a Ghost Wolf or a game designer!

I own pairs of moon boots, which I wear around town. I want to get used to wearing them before I move to the Rockies, so I can fit in easier. I bow to my elders and seniors and speak the First Tongue as often as I can, but rarely does anyone manage to respond.

Wish me luck in the Shadow Realm!

>just finished the comic
That was pretty kino, thank you again bros

>>97085469
Ravnos being kinda jeet coded isn't static really but being that they are cursed to wander they can't exactly stick around to sire Kindred and train them, so I imagine most Ravnos just die or something. Maybe you could be a missionary or something or some other vagrant type
>>97085478
>Uratha posting
Shouldn't you be off honor killing your grandfather?

>>97085330
>demiurge
Fake fan spotted. The closest equivalent in the Realms of Obscurity are some minor antagonists loosely based on Mara.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_(demon)

>>97085517
We can just make a new one

>>97084075
Based, Mother is always correct

>>97085523
Well, yes, the system is highly customizable (and backwards compatible!) but many fans prefer not to tamper with the meticulous and rigorously consistent worldbuilding that the Realms Of Obscurity are so well-known for.

>>97085550
We have to be visionaries to enjoy playing Geist anyway

>>97085478
May Mother Moon look kindly upon your endeavor.
>>97085497
A missionary could work. I suppose I'm going about this the wrong way. Something that would allow for travel and ease of access seems more beneficial depending on the age. Perhaps the church is the answer.

>>97085562
The problem with Ravnos really is that unless your character has ample reason to be travelling AND gotten the basic Kindred explanation for why you can't be out in the Sun, you're probably going to meet a very quick final death. Also,
>Ravnos
How would you even be able to play the game unless you have a reason to travel like in Night Road, or without having to play a wide area. Ravnos is interesting sure, but I feel like they're Salubri tier at difficulty of making a character. I like the Hunter idea but unless you're playing s big game hunter you aren't going to really get mileage compared to being a furry vamp

>>97084257
Franco's Spain, Putin's Russia, Portugal under Salazar, the Japanese empire under Hirohito and Taisho, Ferdinand Marcos in the Phillipines, and of course the big two in the pact of steel as much as that fact hurts /pol/s feelings.

>>97085485
Damn. That epilogue made me sad

There's art of a nosferatu chick I saw one time, she was blueish with all black eyes doing that laying on stomach with feet in the air pose while doing nosferatu stuff on an ipad iirc. Anyone else know that art?

>>97085587
Not to /pol/ post as I'll admit it's a bit off topic but
>Franco far right
>Putin far right
Stretching it. Authoritarian and anti-communist isn't far right, arguably Even if Putin is right wing he isn't race purist enough for far right

>>97084441
>Price stabilité
I am here the orginal one watching. I will return once the masses need me the most and banality needs to be restored.

>>97085644
Was it v5 or an older one? Also you remember if it was talking about a skill/thing?
>>97085578
I figure, depending on how modern the setting is and how big the city, the ravnos would just be going between suburbs for sleep. Might have to okay it with the ST but I'd definitely try and get earth meld as a sub plot to make it easier.

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>>97085560
Yeah, Promethean: the Sin-Eaters and Promethean: the Reckoning will always be the more mainstream face of the Realms Of Obscurity, so we must perfect our craft in the shadows...

>>97085669
I see the changeling posting will slowly return then
>>97085679
True enough, though arguably Ravnos dudes needing to walk 10 miles a night to sleep is really not that big of a deal for Vampires. I feel like I'd personally require a different culture or geographic area to really count but I understand the gypsy appeal. Tough spot, the earth meld idea is pretty great though

>>97085706
Indeed, surprised it usurped the previous Nations of Obscurity greatest hit Liches: The Entombment

>>97085648
If you don't think Franco is far right then your definition is wrong. Like you're just an idiot with no education.

>>97085768
Eh, this is kind of reaching for straws

>>97085732
10 miles seems awfully specific. Fucking Dracian, so glad he's dead. I wonder, after getting protean, if I'd get some negativity from the gangrel if I posed as one. Cause like Ennoia seems nice enough for those that just wanna survive. Who doesn't have that shitty kid brother you wanna push in the dirt? I can absolutely understand why she wasn't fond of the Ravnos ante.

So... What's the premise and main lore of each game of the Obscurity line? I honestly lost track at this point.

>>97085826
10 miles is pretty much just
>Oh what's this Ravnos-tard? You want to sleep? Jog for an hour lol
It's a minor inconvenience in the most dickish way possible. That does make it a bit based but I doubt it'll ever come up in game unless it's a dangerous city. Like say you're forced to tank the agg or got enough a mugging to sleep

>>97085797
No its just the truth. He formed a fusion party of traditionalist conservatives, ultra conservative monarchists and falangists in the wake of a far right coup attempt turned civil war with the support of the economic elite of Spain and instituted a regime of white terror followed by a far right regime aligned with the nazis. After the war he reforms the economy under a right wing religious organisation and maintains a regime that is heavily stratified and built for and by business interests until the whole thing is ended by his attempt to institute a monarchical government on the shoulders of a guy who would rather have a liberal democratic state.
It's just facts sweetie.

>>97085866
It's more authoritarian than far-right though, he's certainly right wing but neither the Nazis nor the Spanish economic elite were so right wing as to really pass for far right

>>97085644
It sounds like some of the vtr nosferstu art if you're saying she was blue.

>>97084075
Why can't I just reach clarification already? It's not fair

>>97085838
We're just making stuff up that fits the name

>>97085679
>>97085878
It was fanart, I think she had a crop top on too

What gameline?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQPV9VYZ1DM

>>97085740
One can hardly expect a niche line of supplements to be more popular than the main game lines.
In which nation did Liches: the Entombment first debut?

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>>97085838
You can refer to our previous discussion here: >>97073561 . Today, we've been discussing the reboot of the Realms of Obscurity, starting here: >>97081297 and continuing here: >>97081628 .

>>97086124
Cute pet

>>97086104
That's a classic example of Deviant: the Curse.

>>97086105
Clearly the greatest nest of Lich power, Italy where Roman Saints resurrect through the power of religious energy

>>97086140
What is Liches: the Entombment's relation to Mummy: the Masquerade? And what does Nations of Obscurity: Italy say about the presence of mummies there, if it does?

>>97086164
I didn't think that far ahead
Liches are basically imperfect Mummies created through masquerade breaches detected by sorcerers who gain an obsession; however as Lichdom is gained through sorcerous rites they are self-propagated. As a result, the Catacombs Liches tend to dominate, essentially an underground mirror city, have a low presence of Mummies. Though inversely, the more faith mummies have access to the more likely a Lich's creation is to fail

So wild thought: what would happen to the dhampir if a vamp impregnated a kin or woof? My first thought was modified kinfolk embrace. Where their connection to Gaia is there but it's weaker, however the vitae is weirder because of their kinfolk-ness. Or maybe the vitae would draw out the physical side of the woof allowing for shifting to glabro.

>>97086333
Aren't there merits for both of these?

>>97086376
Nta but the dhampir book I have lists no merit or flaws regarding alternative heritages like channelings or kinfolk. The book mostly covers different types of dhampirs along with special pseudo disciplines called Bloodrights.

>>97085485
Big agree. That was some damn fine kino.

>>97086376
For mages, I think, or sorcs. What is noted is that an embraced kinfolk loses their spiritual connection to Gaia

>>97086435
Now I'm just sad everyone passed away. Really sold the whole bittersweet immortality thing

>>97086463
Yeah that hurt. Fitting but it still hurt. Suppose the hurt's fitting too considering the theme running through it. Aw, hell. I need to find something joyous I can't be despondent this late at night.