If TSR didn't sell off their assets to Wizards of the Coast, /tg/ would be a very different place today. We probably wouldn't have as many GURPS autists, not as many people wasting all their money on card stock for another media tie-in for soulless "Magic the Gathering", and there would be no such thing as 5e. D&D would have stayed as it was and there would have never been any need for an Old School Renaissance general. Can you imagine /tg/ without all this? Gamers here would actually play games. And I imagine them happy.
>>97082695>Gamers here would actually play games. The amount of shitspamming you perform on this board is psychotic.Fuck the fuck off, or at least stay in your dying /osrg/ containment thread.
>>97082695False narrative is false. Want to play TSR D&D? Play it. The books are easier-than-ever to obtain. Nothing has gone away. Nothing has been taken from you.You aren't interested.
>>97082734WotC paypig drone
>if only they hadn't sold the only shit they had of any value they'd have magically become brilliant at business and game design
>>97082746Hasbro just put everything behind a paywall for D&D and only get money for it by bleeding the paypigs dry.
>>97082761When's Peppa Pig coming to D&D?
>>97082761The fuck are you even lying about this for?Wanna play any D&D setting? Google the .pdf of the 2nd edition version. Voila: Free with one billion supplements.Someone made something you don't like? Don't play it. You love the TSR D&D settings? You have them all in insane levels of detail, freely available to you.But you don't play games.
>>97082773I'm talking about the SOVL of TSR-D&D against the soullessness of Beyond D&D and D&D OneWe lost so much... there could have been millions of new settings and sourcebooks made anew if TSR lived on....
>>97082785>We lost so muchNo, you didn't. You are lying.You have more than we ever did in the 90s, because every single .pdf is freely available to you. Not a single supplement has been lost, and you can have all of them in five clicks or less.Nothing has been lost. You have all of it. For free. You don't play it and that's about you.
>>97082695TSR problem wasn't they could keep good products in the pipeline. You need more than just the classic Handbook/GM guide/Bestiary to keep things going at the time. Especially for how big they got. Their biggest problem was they didn't have someone that knew business enough to keep them in the black. Plus especially at the time. They had to take a risk and make the products first and then try to sell them. Meaning if you have a few bad books, you can really fuck your budget and find yourself in some bad times. Had they lasted till the 2000s I think they would been able recover I think they would had a good chance of making D&D bigger than what it is now. However, they have to make sure not to let corpos which was WOTC problem as when they got bought out they basically just became a mask for them to sell it and to be honest. Hasbro doesn't really even care about D&D and I think if someone offered them a big enough price I think they might sell the fucker off. (They only care about MTG and only started to "care" when it got big during the tail end of 5e and all. Same with the groups who all of a sudden jump in and try to say they were life long players though are the first to call out everything about the game and try to change it to more of their liking.)
>>97082785>The endless slop produced by MY company is better than the endless slop produced by YOUR company
Why is anyone bothering with this troll's thread.How much more obvious could he be.You don't need to reply when it's this obvious, for fuck's sake. Let him bump it in ass-pained solitude.
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>>97082809Shocker, most people on here are hipsters and like to jump on that "things were better in the X0's" and all. I will admit, the biggest difference between the 70s-90s games and 00-20s D&D is EVERYONE was a fan and loved the game making the books at the time. However, late 10s-20s D&D was basically taken by the woke fuckers thinking if they put their shit in that people will just buy it and believe that shit. (We seen it in other forms of media they get their hand in like comics, hollywood, books, etc.) Then cry sexism, racism, etc that everyone hates that it's no longer the IP it once was, and it's just the woke soapbox and self-therapy session. As well as their fetishes on display. (Often with a gay prom at one point if they get the chance. Seriously, what's with woke fags and their gay proms?)
>>97082857Go woke, go broke.
>>97082857>Blah blah the gays!Jesus. Get a hobby.
>>97082695No TSR was dying during the WotC buy out. The had a warehouse full of unsold product at the time. If WotC had not bought them out the company would have gone bankrupt and all the various IPs would have been sold off piecemeal.>We probably wouldn't have as many GURPS autists,Likely would have had more as D&D dying would have left GURPs as one of the biggest fish in the pond.>on card stock for another media tie-in for soulless "Magic the Gathering",would have happened anyways as Hasbro was looking to buy WotC even before the TSR buy out.>and there would be no such thing as 5e.A "5e" would likely have come out at some point if whomever bought the IP decided to stay in TTRPGs. It would have been different, but a version would still exist.>D&D would have stayed as it was and there would have never been any need for an Old School Renaissance general.Nope. D&D was going to need to evolve or die.If the OSR would still end up existing in some form as long as design trends continued as they had been progressing.
>>97082871I did..... TTRPGS, hints why I am here and complaining when fags DEI their way in and started to fuck everything up like mostly everything those woke commies get into. I mean are you going to tell me the fags made Star Wars better? How about Star Trek? Did anyone who really like LOTR even like the rings of power? I could go on now
>>97082695Gurps enthusiasts aren't such because of spite for nud&d but because they like simulationism and minutiae of particular in character design, retard.I like gurps (among the others) because my first ttrpg experiences were with merp and brp so i naturally lean towards games that prioritize details, granularity and simulationism, fucking TFT was created by Steve Jackson because he wanted a game for arena combat that was more detailed than (at the time) ad&d, so you would have to deal with the very same "gurps autists" regardless of d&d being bought or not by wotc/hadbro.
>>97086975>corporate profits are about my identity politics!Pro-tip: they're about money. Publicly traded coorporations are run by investment bankers who care solely about money. You identity politics had nothing to do with it, except to the degree that someone thought they could leverage them for politics. Investment firms don't care what LOTR and Star Trek and Star Wars are. You are nothing but an easy mark for whoever decides to exploit your "side" of whatever "culture war" you think you're in.
>>97082695>not as many people wasting all their money on card stock for another media tie-in for soulless "Magic the Gathering",What the fuck does this have to do with TSR? Wizards made magic long before they bought TSR, Magic was so huge that TCGs were considered a threat to the popularity of RPGs and the business model raked in money more regularly than selling RPG-supplements. Hasbro would have still bought Wizards, with or without D&D.
>>97082899>Likely would have had more as D&D dying would have left GURPs as one of the biggest fish in the pond.Can you imagine a timeline where anons' typical dismissive meme is "have you tried not playing GURPS"?
>>97087060Yes, and no. They care about profit yes, however NGOs and big investment bankers trying to change the culture and fucking admit it by using DEI/BRIDGE or whatever niggas are calling it these days. Where companies that listen to the fans in hopes of selling more of their products stop in order to get those grants by Blackrock and Vanguard to push for a black trans lead with their latinx mary sue gf and white cuck as a poly pet. To the point where it doesn't matter if it fails they got the funding to back the project till they burn down most of their IP and companies like fucking WB as a whole is being sold cause no one can make a profit with all the fucking IPs they have. (Look at Marvel, DC, Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr. Who, etc.) Also since it publicly traded. It makes it easy to force shit in. Look at O'keefe. He was doing great with his company but then they ousted him from the company cause it was publicly traded. Now look at Value, cause it's private. No on can force Gabe to do anything he doesn't want to do. Hint why can he fucking win by doing nothing. Look at Xbox, Epic, Sony, etc. While yes corpos mostly don't care about the IP. They still care about IPs if it can make it easier to sell something or promote something.>>TL;DR If they care about money that much, wouldn't they stop all the woke shit the FIRST TIME their shit started tanking over blaming the fucking fans who bought everything fucking thing the IP was selling before it got big for not liking the new woke shit they push out?
>>97087281These corporations are run by investment firms who care about spreadsheets and money and nothing else. You are a fool and a dupe. You were sold identity politics to get you to buy trucks and beer, by the people who sell trucks and beer. Your identity politics are idiocy.
>>97087372How many times of them running headfirst into the wall with their woke DEI bullshit thinking people will just buy anything that has a big brand IP before you see between taking DEI/bridge money to push that shit. They're like a hooker, give them the money upfront and they be whatever you want them to be. Vanguard and Blackrock want woke commie shit in major IPs in hope of spreading that shit, and people started dropping the IPs it like a bad habit. Marvel hasn't hit a billion in the box office since "Spider-Man: No way Home." Superman and all of Marvel in 2025 got beat by the Demon Slayer movie. ALL of WB is for sale. Bad business practices due to chasing investment firm money and the strings attach to the grants proves my fucking point. Rather then just making a good fucking money. They take the "grant" and forced to add all those fucking shit into to qualify for said grants. Ruining their shit in the process.
>>97088263>blah blah culture wars!Corporations care nothing for social issues, except to the degree that they may make money off idiots who buy into identity politics.Idiots like you.
>>97087266>New thread: Why are turns in role-playing games only 1 second long??>HYTNPG?
>>97082695>not as many people wasting all their money on card stock for another media tie-in for soulless "Magic the Gathering"Anon, WotC making bank on M:tG was the reason they could afford to buy D&D in the first place. Nothing about TSR remaining in business would have prevented the rise and market domination of Magic—if anything, it would have resulted in fewer resources being diverted AWAY from Magic to keep the lights on in the D&D offices.
>>97088263>How many times of them running headfirst into the wall with their woke DEI bullshit thinking people will just buy anything that has a big brand IP before you seeYou’re forgetting one teensy, weensy, but ever-so crucial, little, tiny detail: people DO still buy it.
Look at all that delicious revisionism. TSR was in the shitter because all the sovl stuff from D&D had been sucked out by Lorraine Williams, an idiot heiress to the Buck Rogers fortune. They banned playtesting because she thought it was an excuse to goof off on the job, and she'd just get it in her head that random employees were gay or trannies (when that wasn't something you had to worry about even!) and make their lives hell, ostracize them socially, the whole thing. TSR at the end was hell to work for and you couldn't even get a quality product out unmangled.
>>97089667If you knew anything other than the shit from other underage nogames tards you would know that TSR was when a bunch of beloved setting came out. Sure things was not great back then but it was not all bad.
>>97088521Right...... groups like Blackrock fucking outright admitting that they are trying to force their mindset and push their views onto everything they can means nothing and they just going after profit. Even after taking lost after lost by changing everything about a IP to push the same "gay trans commie" bs into everything and like all the others tanks and loses it's real fans. I mean, you keep saying it's all profit. Then where is the profit? Disney isn't getting any? WB being sold off cause none of their IPs are worth keeping due to lack of PROFIT. So enlighten us with that. Where this profit you say the corpos been getting for adding all this DEI? Outside of those DEI grants they haven't got shit and it's showing. Not only that the fans they had have left. You can still see woke toys 90% off in some stores that been there for years. So try again it's not profits,
>>97089667Kind of true. However like people have pointed out time and time again. TSR biggest problem was it need someone who knew how to run their books and how to create and make quality products to keep people coming back. Many companies especially mid level companies that try to get big tend to die when they move up by overreaching and betting on the wrong product. WB is basically is what happen to TSR. They HAD great products for years. However after pushing DEI shit for so long they lost their branding and is seen as kind of meh. People love the old shit but don't care much for anything new. Same with many of these woke companies that get infested by gay tourists. Hell many hobby sites, magazines, etc were taken over by people who failed to be news reporters or social and they took jobs in the hobby sites and push their social shit over talking about the game, brand, or hobby they were supposed to review. So hobby sites didn't gatekeep and got overun and the people who took over purge the true fans thinking that eveyrone would just buy it cause of the IP. Which wasn't the case.
>>97094155All those words to tell everyone you are a retard who knows nothing.
>>97094234Those companies hobby sites, magazines, etc always had people retarded nogames like you call gay tourists. The hobby always had all kinds of people in it. Also calling TSR (which came and gone long before underage morons were crying about SJW/woke boogeyman) woke shows there no point trying to cater to dumbasses nogames like you as it is clear you will never be happy,
>>97094405I call then. Prove me fucking wrong. You're talking alot of shit for someone who has said nothing to prove their point. If not how about you go back to bluesky and bitch about trump and the parents who wouldn't let you groom their kids to be gay and trans.
Didn’t this thread with the exact same OP turn up last week?
>>97098538Yes, everyone calls you retarded for being a whiny faggot who knows very little about anything. Blackrock is investment company so they are not going to do something without thinking that they will not make tons of money back. Also the people who make call the shots in companies are almost always old men and not the blue hairs boogeymen stupid people bitch about making your retarded claims even more unlikely.
