Return of the streetsweeper edition>Previously in the Mortal Realms:>>97078197>Official AoS website:https://www.ageofsigmar.com>Downloads, Rules Errata and FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/>Toolshttps://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator:https://aosg.github.io/https://sigdex.io/>Thread question:Did you paypig for Darkwater?
>>97085507Even if it were at risk that wouldn't be something that would be decided so quickly. They obviously are investing a shit ton into TOW and rushing everything now if the rumors are to be believed. It wouldn't make sense to can AoS anytime soon. Long term, yeah I can see the risk, but that would have to mean AoS doing as poorly as it did this year for multiple years.
>>97085536I really do see the risk though. If TOW gets a shitload of new kits and game stores put it side by side to aos, theres way more of a chance that the aos side collects dust bewcause aos vs old world is more like direct competition, unlike 30k which is more of a safety net for 40k.
go talk about the old world in the old world thread you doomposting faggot trolls
Do all the darkwater buyers really have a playgroup to play with you think?>>97085510
>>97085571Did you buy a darkwater box then. To help counter the doomposting.
>>97085582Most people who buy gw stuff don't even open the boxes
>>97085582If Darkwater was meant to be played with the book would be bound by rings. I can't tell if GW are retarded or greedy and glue binding was that much cheaper.
>>97085571this board honestly thinks that GW is going to regret making Primaris Marines any minute now. the grogs are so mindbroken that this place is beyond saving
>>97085633There are people posting on /tg/ right now who thinks GW's leadership (as opposed to individual writers and novelists, NONE of whom have any meaningful control over the greater direction of the franchise) ever had any artistic integrity at all. We call those people lost cases.
>>97085633Or maybe some of us older wargamers have lived through the birth and deaths of other games, and that gives us insight into signs of potential trouble?
>>97085649the power of sigmar compels you, leave this thread troll. take your raid back to whatever foul corner of discord it crawled out of. begone
>>97085675Just prepare yourself though. I predict many months of videos covering the darktide flop
>darkwater is a flop! >no, ignore the fact that the box is currently being scalped on eBay right now along with all the minis being separated individually.
>>97085649>older wargamerssenile grogtard detected. i'm sure things will go back to the old days anytime now, the kids will certainly see the errors of their ways. pewter's the best material!
>>97085649If you had picked up any wisdom over the years then the first thing you'd have noticed is that almost every claim about this or that flopping (or doing well for that matter) comes without anything resembling solid data top back it, and recognise the whole thing for the console wars bulllshit it actually is.Or when you say older, do you simply mean not a teenager any more?
>>97085110Looking v cool anon. How long did it take you to finish them and how many do you own? I am finishing 4 of them leftover from their vanguard right now. I went with mostly 1hand weapons for easy chest access>>97085510no. I was very excited for it too. The first time I've looked forward to a new piece of media or product in really long time. My jaw dropped during the reveal show for it and the new Nurgle wave.Unfortunately it's way overpriced for a board game that I'd probably play a few times by myself. The heroes are all mostly fine looking with the kurnothi and werebear being my favorite (He looks fine he just got a shitty paint job). anything above $190 is just too much. Most of the models will get standalone releases int he future anyway, not to mention scans that will pop up on the 'Gram and the Russians selling recasts. I hope the box gets discounted and goes for very cheap on Amazon and ebay like Dominion and the darkoath release box. Even the battleforces are lacking this year. AoS battleforces were always really good but it's sad to see that we only got 4 and half of them aren't even that good.Also I'm tired of Trog GSG armies being the strongest sub-faction and getting their own discount box. It would be nice to get a pure goblin themed box.
Do we know how big Pust's head is? I'd like swap the rictus grin out for a helmet and just keep the horns, but i have a feeling his tiny head might be one of those things where because it's small for a big model it's a little too big for a normal head to replace it, and a little too small for a big model's head
>>97085694Retarded grogs have been declaring every single fucking day to be the day AoS died, for over 10 years now. You would think at some point they'd find something else to devote their pitiful lives to being wrong about.
>>97085807I mean you should be able to make a blight king head fit but id be more worried about finding a way to make the horns stick onto another model.
>>97085819It’d help if gw didn’t bring fucking fantasy back though. Should’ve stayed a dead game
What's up with mentally ill TOWies coming here to shitpost?
>>97085861Rumor is gw gave it a huge resource boost recently behind the scenes
>>97085861Some people have been shitting up the TOW thread over the last couple days too. I don't think it's organic.
>>97085861Rumor is tow needs to abandon its core factions and go all in on 3 factions space marine style because the majority of its stock eats up dust.
Anyone play recently? Got a game tomorrow against Nighthaunt - mildly dreading all those fucking saves and seeing Lady Olynder, but I'm hoping Sigvald here can crunch her.>pic related: 2v1 (SCE/Skaven vs my HoS) game earlier this week to teach a friend, they conceded in BR 3 due to being functionally tabled. Score was 60-30 even with Double Turns.
>>97085871Maybe, but it's all relative. They could double TOW's output and it would still be less than half of what AoS gets in a typical year.
>>97085907Honestly…no. Or at least not in the US. Both aos and TOW are having the scraps that 40k leaves them. Bell the argument could be made they’re competing with 30k too.
>>97085510>TQNoPost more Drusa
>>97085881The TOW core book set aside dedicated lore pages for Cathay, Kislev, and Norscans. Shockingly all the release rumors are about Cathay, Kislev, and Norsca/WoC, because that's obviously what the team was working on prior to release that got held back until they could prove at least 10 people would actually buy into TOW. When we start getting rumors about big updates for Wood Elves and Beastmen, THEN maybe they've got a reason to start doing victory laps.
>>97085914>Honestly…no. Or at least not in the US.Ah yes the team gw team in America are much more settled in their allocations than in Nottingham.
>>97085837It feels easy enough if you get a head that's roughly the same size, if you just cleave it off at the fleshy part the horns are growing out of/the bottom of the wicker part.Then all you have to do is stick the flesh on the helmet and it either looks like metal twisted away by the horn growth or flesh spilling out of the helmet alongside the horns
>>97085914>Both aos and TOW are having the scraps that 40k leaves them.Bro, I don't know how to tell you this but AoS not infrequently gets more kits released in a year than even 40K. We aren't getting scraps.Mind you the 40K fanbase is a lot bigger, but that's probably why GW isn't that worried about pandering to them, the 40K audience is locked in and will buy whatever random shit they put out so GW can afford to put more effort into expanding their reach elsewhere.
Saars this is Sigmar's Age thread, not of the Old World. Stop with the ToW schizopostingPost your piles of shame, your recent games, recent purchases (or prints), models, or any cool art you like.
>>97085914We are taking daemons from them last I heard. Which is funny, more reens for reensgod
>>97085942I really wanna see what the second wave of cos will look like, ill probably make a sylvaneth army in the meantime.
The anon who played Warcry last thread here. I did genuinely love it and I was kinda blown away by how FAST the game went. No fancy weapon keywords with 3 variations of reroll a miss or turn a miss/hit to a hit/crit, no fancy save effects or rolls, simple but in a satisfactory way. I do wish there were still routine bespoke warbands getting released or a 2.25e with new terrain.
>>97085925>lore pages for Cathay, Kislev, and Norscans>Norscans No, there was dedicated lore for Cathay and Kislev. That's why the marauder refresh and upcoming chaos refresh were such a shock, because there was nothing that suggested it was coming unlike Cathay or Kislev.
>>97085956I'm excited too. I kind of like the square mudcore theme people hate. I wonder how popular they are currently. >>97085966Sorry anon, but warcry doesn't seem long for this world. F
Can we stop the console war shit? AoS and TOW are not in competition. One is a skirmish game based on rounds and one is a rank and flank. Two completely different styles of game. I am so tired of the shitflinging on both sides as someone who plays and enjoys both games.
>>97085966>Warcry
>>97085985>I wonder how popular they are currently.middle of the road, they would be more popular if they were meta and easier to paint (less detail)
>>97085992Also being humans they are the only real obnoxiously diverse faction so that's also a turn off for some people.
Damn Darkwater is selling quite fast. My LGS had 100 boxes and now they are down to 43. Surprised there is such interest right after Battleforces. I guess people were afraid of a Cursed City situation.
>>97085972There was, it was titled "Wolves of the Sea". The first Chaos Warrior Arcane Journal was also super focused on Norsca/Marauders and the rumors about new Marauders/Mammoth are old as fuck.
>>97085966Warcry is genuinely the best game GW has put out in the last decade, it's insanely fun. At the very least we know there's ongoing support planned for upcoming mainline aos stuff, and new underworlds warbands, but it's such a miserable shame GW considers spearhead to be its replacement despite very little overlap and no real longevity to spearhead given how static it is.
>>97086041>Warcry is genuinely the best game GW has put out in the last decade, it's insanely fun.So then why did it flop? I personally didn't care for Warcry, didn't like the monopose bands, even hated them and always felt they were a waste of slots many armies could use. It was never popular, no one ever wanted to play it and Spearhead? Everyone plays that, even 40keks got hooked in my city.
>>97086045It didn't flop, i imagine the gnarlwood season's major releases sold worse as time went on because it was a bunch of vs boxes with really bland meat tree terrain that was very same-y and less useful than the eightpoints stuff, but the warbands themselves sold well and people broadly really liked them.You seem to hate the kits and not really have ever played the game, which is fine i guess, but it sounds like you've got a warped and very negative perception of it because of that. I don't really think your opinion is something many people share
>>97085925Anon you’re either misinformed or spreading misinformation through half truths. Every single core faction received the same dedicated lore pages as Kislev and Cathay.
>>97086067>It didn't flopThey why did it get canned?>I don't really think your opinion is something many people shareThey why did it get canned?If it was so popular and loved it would grow rather than die like it did.>You seem to hate the kits What do you mean "seem to"? I fucking told you.
>>97086085>cannedit didnt? the same way how underworlds wasnt. the team circulate between underworlds, warcry, and quest.
>>97086069>Cathay and Kislev, who were not in the game on release and in fact denied by GW that they would come later had the same dedicated lore pages as the playable core armies. Yes, that was my point. Wolves of the Sea getting a dedicated chapter also raised eyebrows at the time, which ended up being more than deserved since GW followed it up with a dedicated Norscan themed AoR using the same name and now new marauder models. You seem to be arguing some imaginary point where I claimed Wood Elves didn't get a lore write up or something???
>>97086096>and in fact denied by GW that they would come laterI'm sorry, are you trying to say that GW said that Kislev and Cathay are not coming? If I understood what you wrote correctly then why would you even try to tell such an easily disproven lie?
>>97085966Warcry is fucking so good and has so many available warbands, that I dont think really don't care if they kill it at this point. Between all the aos warband cards and all the bespoke ones, I have enough options to keep playing for years. The twist cards and cards add enough variance that I'm never going to play every possible combination. I do feel bad for those who missed out, but I don't know if the game really needs anything that you couldn't do yourself
>>97086135Darkoath were cool amongst the other types of chaos followers, but it makes the setting feel so flat that all the chaos cultures in the realms are now just norsca 2. They're more interesting than norsca i guess, but even weirder chaos cultures, shit like the magitek scavengers of the great parch descended from the magocratic empires there, are now folded into being just darkoath like everyone else is.
>>97086094>the team circulate between underworlds, warcry, and quest>Underworlds had Embergard, Trees, and a few new teams + rereleases>Quest just droppedWarcry is BACK babey
>>97086288I get where you're coming from. I think that if aos keeps growing they could maybe revisit some of the warcry chaos guys similar to the guard regiments. But I think we're a ways away from that
>>97086085>If it was so popular and loved it would grow rather than die like it did.Why did space hulk die? Or whfb, or mordheim, or gorka morka. All popular and loved. All dead. Whether or not the game is good has no bearings on what gw will do with it. Otherwise 40k would have died 10 times by now
really wish the female knight was replaced with a moss leper, shes the only one thats weak in that cast. Like shes cool and its nice that they showed off her background in her model so accurately, but its not cool enough to warrant being there.
Finding the answer online is surprisingly hard, but do I get the classic Clan Pestilens color scheme done? What paints should I for the cloak?
If i didn't knew those guys came out years appart, i'd believe you if you told me they were a dual kit
>>97086676I mean, at first maybe. But then you notice they don't share a single bit and the bases look to be different sizes.
Gotta love GW youtubers trying to tip toe around the fact that the new quest game is utter shit. Worst adjective I've heard is "average". Like man, I can actually sense the boredom you're exhuding while playing the first mission.
>>97086085Guy who's never played warcry and yet has a bunch of very strong, angry opinions about it
Here's how we can still save Warcry>Kill Underworlds
What's objectively the best Slaves to Darkness paint scheme?
>>97086723Blue and gold, like SCE but fucked up and evil
>>97086664Green with white accents.Brand of your preference
>>97086702No one liked it. It didn't sell. It flopped. It's gone and replaced fully by Spearhead next year. If you loved it so much, you should've supported it while you had the chance.
>>97086735NTA but I only started playing Warcry this year
i wish the helsmiths had their foremen as a unit.
>>97086735Hashut anon has decided on a new target
>>97085691Some idiot wants 190$ for the 8 heroes lol
>>97086735Eh WarCry was extremely popular in the first edition
>>97086735Trying too hard
>>97086702It's just some fantasy sperg melting down. He's trying to use similar rhetoric that we use when the towshitters come here to shitstir because this would technically be the first aos rule set to "die" even if that's not true when we had skirmish, and ptg when it was a pdf and warcry isn't going anywhere.
Just finished my read through of the Hallowed Knights storyline in AoS and I loved it. I especially enjoyed the storyline that started in Gates of Dawn and ended in Wardens of the Everqueen but the plot that unfolds in Mortarch of Night and Black Pyramid was also super cool.Lorrus Grymn is easily one of my favourite AoS characters, why did he have to die in Broken Realms?! T_TJust a shame the final story in the timeline involving the Hallowed Knights was Skaventide because that story was FUCKING AWFUL AND I HATED IT.The read order was (for anyone who wants to do the same) :The Gates of Dawn (novella - Realmgate Wars: War Storm)War in the Hidden Vale (novella - Realmgate Wars: Ghal Maraz)Wardens of the EverqueenThe Resolute (Short Story - Sylvaneth Legends of the Age of Sigmar collection)Mortarch of NightHallowed Knights: Plague GardenHallowed Knights: Black PyramidGhosts Of Demesnus (Short Story - Myths & Revenants)A Dirge of Dust and Steel (Short Story - Myths & Revenants)Hammerhal (novella - Hammerhal and Other Stories)Hallowed Knights: The Denied (audiodrama)The Hammer of Immanence (Short Story - Thunderstrike & Other Stories)Murder by Moonlight (Short Story - On the Shoulders of Giants and Other Stories)Skaventide
>>97086813go back to your containment thread to cry about the decalfag
>>97086735Fuck you.Warcry is rad, I did support it, I bought 2 of the big boxes as well as a few of the teams separately.Spearhead is fun, but it's a different game
>>97086723Top right>>97086796If I have to come up with a reason why warcry would be killed off it's people simply using their aos collections to make warbands instead of buying the bespoke ones. Especially early on they were very self-contained, even being kind of odd in their own faction of StD. Askurgan trueblades situation.
What's next for Slaves to Darkness? Are they done? Everything up to date? What new units can they get? What's next for the army? What do you want for them?
Can you use the Spearhead terrain on boards it was not originally made for? For example, can I use the Fire and Jade terrain on the Dolorum board, or the Sand and Bone terrain on the Fire and Jade boards?I see nothing in the rules that says you CAN'T but I'm not sure if it'll work 100%, I think the boards might have been designed solely for the terrain they came with?
>>97086884You can use whatever you want, just make sure something similar dimensions, have a large and a small piece
>>97086886I've got both sets of Spearhead terrain that came with the packs painted up so I'm just wondering if the rules allow for the use of either set on any of the 4 boards or if it'll mess up the rules.
All downloads for AoS on WarCom are gone. It's JOVER!
>>97086900the 40k downloads are gone too. i cant believe tow flopped so hard it killed of GW for good.
>>97086858Generic big monster
whats a good army for someone who worries about breaking models? Sigmar seems to have thin handles and thin swords, easy to bend
>>97086917Ironjawz?
>>97086899Makes absolutely no difference besides the special pieces which only work on sand and bone
>>97086917Ij are a good choice. But models are pretty tough unless you're buying resin recasts. Even nighthaunt stuff is relatively durable because everything is so light and flexible
>>97086828now there's a real AoS enjoyer, and here I thought no one on /tg/ has the capacity to actually read books
>>97086858I will continue shilling ice age darkoath until the end of time.More realistically they update the older stuff left, like the chariot and chaos spawn. Maybe bring back the warshine with a new look.
>>97086957Doath are already hyborian age, would be wierd to vibe shift half nakes people into snow
>>97086963I think you could succesfully join the two aesthetics together, I mean the image I posted is from one of the conan survival games iirc. Here's another mount from the game, I think it feels pretty darkoathy.
>>97085861>>97085876its the usual raid nonsense.They are also stirring shit here and over in /wfg/ to create hostility, maybe its the polish janny again. Always remember that we have 10 janitors btw.
>>97086995>Always remember that we have 10 janitors btw.And none of them do their job
>>97086957>>97086963Aren't Darkoath like Kruleboyz? As in an army within an army? Can they even mix and match?
>>97087014No, are you retarded? They're replacment for the standard marauder chaff
>>97086995I don't understand how a polish janny could be anti AoS. In Poland AoS is pretty big. Maybe even bigger than 40k in terms of the amount of games you can get and events happening all the time. Meanwhile TOW is dead, hardly anyone plays. Black Friday had FANTASTIC deals on TOW stuff in multiple LGS' and no one bought anything. Hell you can still get the WoC Marauders with a LGS discount.
>>97087022No one uses them so I didn't know. I know their army set had a Darkoath Battletome Supplement so I assumed they are a separate entity within the StD.
>>97087030They got a suplemetn because they didn't feel like re-releasing STD book 1 year after its last printing to shake up a few warscrolls
>>97087024There have been some wfb turboautists here, it's not that much of a stretch to imagine one still asspained over aos.
>>97086858it would be neat if StD got their own version of the dragon riders stormcast have, though obviously different. Maybe something like fellbeast riders?>>97087024>implying the jannies play the games
>>97087024>>97086995It's the same spergs that have been losing their minds for a decade.
>>97087014They're a subgroup, aesthetically and culturally, but not one as drastically removed as kruleboys are
>>97087014they're not a seperate army. they're a weak cheap chaff unit with some cavalry and a monster. You can run them with the other StD units and they have their own battle formation that lets them replace destroyed darkoath units. Another one lets you give them marks of chaos if they're close to a StD unit.unfortunately they are kind of weak right now>>97086917ogors and ironjawz like the other anon said. even the Ardboyz' spears are pretty durable but even then you give them short choppas instead>>97086858olbigatory chaos warrior refresh, new warshrine or chariot.But they really could use a new generic chaos lord. The old one they have in the spearhead isn't horrible but the spear is often bent and it's monopose. The lord is kind of huddled into himself makig him look small and he has no helmet, weapon, or shield options. While his giant spear glaive thing is pretty cool he's just not that exciting. Most everyone I've seen just uses an Exalted hero of chaos or the lady from the underworlds warband
>>97087165Darkoath are kind of unfortunate because they are, like you said, the chaff of the faction but also their own subgroup. They're both meant to be their own thing but also explicitely not. Kinda limits them, imagine if ungors became their own explicit subfaction within beastmen or something. Am i making sense?
>>97087176Being a subfaction is absolutely not an issue. Subfactions are for people who want to run thematic builds, it doesn't impact normal use really. Being a subfaction so weak it's unplayable is the only real problem with Darkoath.
>>97086858chaos spawn are quite an old kit by now and spread through many armies and systems, while it's clear gw wants the ranges to be separate and for aos to be almost exclusively aos-models onlythe chaos chariot is in the old world, so I don't count on it staying in aos for longtow is updating its chaos warriors and chaos knights, so it's possible that aos may do the same so that both specialise in their respective looks for warriorsI'd honestly suggest an upgrade sprue for archaon and the varanguard to add slaanesh bits to those kits
>>97087176>>97087188I really want to like darkoath cause I think the conan sword-and-sorcery pulp comic look is really cool. Naked barbarians with big swords are awesome but half the range just isn't that appealing to me. they're not bad, but its a case where I can't just run only the stuff I like.it's like if you really love kairic acolytes and curseling models but you dislike everything else in the tzeentch range. That's kind of my thing with darkoath and you'd need so many models that I'm torn between starting to collect/print them or not. For me it's the savagers and hero units that I love. marauders are okay but will I be able to stomach painting 50-60 dudes I merely find okay?
>>97087188I mean yeah of course but that's kind of part of the issue no, their subfaction is meant to be the chaff of the rest of the faction. You can make it work gameplay wise, gw just has to bring them up to par, but I feel like thematically they can't expand that much before they start stepping on the toes of the chaos warrior part of the faction.>>97087201I'm in a similar boat, I love the warchief (on foot and mounted), I like the horses, but the rest is meh at best and downright ugly at worst (standard marauders). Long term I want to try my hand at a full scions of the flame themed converted army, but that would take a lot of fucking effort so it's on the backburner for now.
>>97086858I think the army needs centerpieces that aren't special characterstow and cities stole the manticore and the chimera, chaos dragon and chaos mammoth would be too derivative, what's left? undivided greater demons?
>>97087024It makes sens when you focus on the fact he's a janny and not where he's from
>>97087232Darkoath paraceratheriumIn all seriousness a dragon equivalent would be neat.
>>97086884You can use whichever terrain kit you like, so long as the rules for said terrain are observed and you've 2 large and 2 small pieces.The Sand and Bone terrain on the Ghyran board could actually be fairly interesting actually.
>YouTuber reviewer says GW only sends him pdfs now instead of physical books Can't imagine why they aren't selling them
>>97087340Then where are all those good quality pdfs for us to download?
>>97087188Aren't they pretty good since the scourge of ghyran stuff?
Oh sweet, a Skaven-specific Mega Gargant figure
Maggotkin tome today pretty please
>>97087350GW don't sell them for AoS, probably because the retards coding the app can't figure out how to connect a purchase to unlocking app info
>>97087497February
>>97087519Did they say that in the reveal stream?
>>97087491that's a verminlord
>>97087024>I don't understand how a polish janny could be anti AoS. In Poland AoS is pretty big.it's hard to hate something unless it's in your face
>>97087232There already undivided greater demonsWarrior of chaos side of thing>Chaos Manticore (they manage to give SBG a zombie dragon despite SCE having them)>Formoroid king>Mobile War alter on greater chaos spawnDarkoath>Elephant head giants>Great Apes>Chaos Wickerman
I would say darkoath should get a command squad but thats what every underworlds/Brand is.
How do I paint Scions of the Flame so they look like a Tzeentch warband?
>>97087559A real chieftain kit would be a start, with options
>>97087685Blue flames
>>97087685Blue armor, yellow flame. There's no blue fire in tzeentch, only yellow brimstone
>Hardly any Darkwater reviews, just paid shills unboxing it >Only review aside from guerilla miniature games is commenting after one game, where he didn't read the rulebook prior Grim, idk why but the influencer space for AoS is a desert
>>97087811>There's no blue fire in tzeentch
Sylvaneth box still the only one not sold out. Damn, Sylvaneth must be super popular if they made so many more of their box than the other factions
>>97087811Do you even wyrdflame?
>>97087837>I want reviews for a game that won't be out for 2 weeks still>but also I don't want reviews from people who got an early copy>but also I want them to give an informed decision on the full width of the game
>>97087864Why they didn't replace the revenants with 2 units of bug riders and drycha with belthanos, I will never understand.Drycha has been in so many fucking boxed sets for sylvaneth you'd think she was a generic hero option.
>>97087864Sovlblight, throggs and skaven are all pretty popular, but so are sylvaneth. I think it's just the box being kinda shit desu. This is like the 4th or 5th big box featuring drycha, revenants, and a shit ton of dryads?
I would have bought it if they replaced the treemen and drycha with the everqueen and some kurnothi treemen. Hell remove the legends tag from underworld bands and shove that in there too and I’ll still buy it.
>>97087877It'll be OOS for ages but I'm still curious? No one cares about AoS on GWs community relationship scheme. The only channels reviewing it are a ToW and UW channel. That's it aside from Ash. The other reviewers didn't even touch the game and at most have build the minis after an unboxing. It's a sad state. GW mismanaged AoS. Cope.
You couldn't put all the Darkwater reviewers in a room and have a full game of it lmao
>>97087944You’re a sad man anon.
>>97087958I am, I wish AoS had better coverage. CC had more discussion
>>97087856Not a single modern model
>>97087856Seeing all those units reminds me that i missed my chance to buy 2 of the tzeentch demon start collecting box.
>>97087979Nigga. The changling. Fucking tzaangors.
>>97087979>tzaangor enlightened >ogroid >lord of change >Not a single modern modelHuh?
>>97087877>but also I don't want reviews from people who got an early copythat's the only people who have copies atm
>>97087982I remember nabbing pic related for adequate price on second handSets like these make me realize GW chooses to inconvenience you to buy separate kits.
>>97087964>CC had more discussionLMAOOOO
>>97087964CC was the biggest PR controversy GW had in recent years
>>97088034 >>97088045 I'm aware, but it legitimately had more reviews at launch and discussion of its designCope all you want, Darkwater has three reviews and I'd say one doesn't count. GW gave it out to 40kfags who basically haven't touched it beyond the bare minimum financial obligation
>thinking reviews matter
>>97088058>Cope is when you find strange fixations laughable Oh okay
>>97088045yeah but that was after release. The controversy came when GW suddenly said no more reprints and didn't explain why because they didn't want to admit that the amount of paper stuff in the box they had had printed in China meant that the actual percentage of the contents that had been made in the UK was low enough to make the "Made in the UK" stamp on the back potentially not legally accurate,
The board game is just an underworlds plus with choose your own adventure elements with none of the pre game frustrations that cursed city or bfg had. It would have been cool if it was a rpg proper but I’m personally looking forward to the story that the box set offers, I just hope for the next quest it’s a proper rpg for Aos. I don’t really care for whatever 40k does for its quest game really.
>>97088067Cope is acting like it's a good thing there's zero hype for it, zero reviews, and zero discussion while it's up for preorder
>>97088068>Source: Trust Me Bro
>>97088068There was an issue with trade for China at the time that canned production. I forget what it was, I don't think it was that barge getting stuck though but something political
>>97088079They talked about it on Peachy's podcast
>>97088076>is a good thingThat’s what I meant by LMAOOO? Or that’s it’s funny you even give a shit?
>>97088086covid>>97088097most people wouldn't drop 200 on a board game on a whim tbf
now that the dust has settled, why did warhammer quest darkwater flop?
>>97088104>covidIf it had been because of Covid delays, GW would have just said so.
>>97087176>>97087165darkoath are still paying for the sins of the old marauder profile from like 2nd or early 3rd edition, the one that could get crazy attack steroids and perform guaranteed charges and respawned on death, and almost replaced all the plate armor chaos units in competitive lists all togetherthey're not ever allowed to be that good again because GW doesnt want them being the face of the faction
>>97088134GW never communicates anything
Wud b kewl if Darkwater had its own rules for Warcry. Wishful thinking, like a Darkwater book.
>>97088148https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0oiRavfwZk
Where did the CoS gargnat rumour came from? Is it just the fem-gargant rumour being merged with the cogfort rumour?
>>97088030Start collecting boxes were so fucking good, we didn't know how good we had it with them.New boxes are so dogshit, most boxes have units you just dont need and discourage multiple purchases.
>>97088075>story There's a blurb for each encounter but that's it, like two sentences each
Kinda want to buy the skaven battleforce, but I just bought Skaventide T_TThe only reason I want it is because getting all that cool stuff like globadiers separate is so expensive it makes it feel justified to get the big box.
>>97088075What's the point of making a full on rpg game, when GW already has C7 pumping out RPGs? If anything it' sjut compeaitng with itself
>>97088174
>>97088075Soulbound is literarily the AoS RPG
>>97088201>>97088182He means Warhammer Quest with the RPG rulebook not a traditional RPG
>No CYOA sections Soulless, even Cursed City kept those
>>97088169They are separate rumors, both from rumor mongers who have been right in the past. But the fem Gargant for SoB rumor is much older, the Cities Gargant one is new
>>97088169The reformation guy, even had a few blurry pics :>this is a Gargant in full panoply of war>In one fist he brandishes a colossal melee weapon, in the other a wrenched city gate>Upon his back rests a mighty platform, manned by knights afoot in full plate who crew the heavy cannonThe matriarch rumour is something altogether different, thing that's boole
>>97088173On the other hand, the Sylvaneth Spearhead was a massive glowup. The current Sylvaneth box is an obvious buy two, and there's a very solid argument for buying three
So much cool shit in total war 3 not here.Sad.
>>97088258Big if true, literally. Hope they do a callback to Sigmar’s shieldbearer Gargants
>>97088268lots of lame shit that should stay there though.
>>97088310>endless spells at home
>>97088268I can't really think of anything from there that I especially want to see in AoS.
>>97088340I liked Order Draconis’ lore
>>97088242I thought the female gargant was speculation based on the battletome fluff of matriarchal shamans or something
>>97088352I wish they kept the journey to the centre of the earth/hollow earth joke
What if I paint SCE like 1000Sons? Will I be kicked out from the tournament? Or, worse, nobody notices anything wrong?
>>97088402Everyone will just assume you half assed celestial vindicators
>>97087685>How do I paint Scions of the Flame so they look like a Tzeentch warband?You mean like Pyrofane Cult (left page, second row, rightmost)? Black&gold armor, flame tattoos wherever skin is exposed.
>>97088310>pic unrelated
Quick question did you guys unironically believe GW was going to kill slaanesh here too we have a faggot insisting this was unsupported Quick question did you guys unironically believe GW was going to kill slaanesh here too we have an asshole insisting this was unsupported >>97088374>>97088409
i know most of the old archives got nuked but is there anywhere to get scans of current battletomes now?i'm not spending 50 dollars to touch myself to the dok lore
>>97088434Anybody who thought GW would kill slaanesh was the lowest form of retard
>>97088434kill? No. Lower him to something like hashut or some other chaos god? thats more likely.
>>97088434>Quick question did you guys unironically believe GW was going to kill slaanesh here too we have an asshole insisting this was unsupportedThere was evidence like the archeon model lacking a slaanesh head, a early aos picture of the chaos star lacking rhe slaanesh symbol and having malekith instead, slaanesh getting written out of the story etc.Dont forget that ynnari happened at the same time and were setting up a way to kill slaanesh.
>>97088356Understandable, but it was one of the earliest Boole rumors/leaks. Quickly forgotten about given the large volume of much bigger leaks before and afterwards.
>>97088436Which ones do you need?
>>97088434>Quick question did you guys unironically believe GW was going to kill slaanesh hereyes and the delay in elves has been because of the change in the decision, since the new dark elves would have been effectively taking charge of slaanesh's portfolio
>>97088310That's one thing that aos WILL get
>>97088434There is actually a lot of evidence that GW was a least considering it for a while.
>>97088470I feel like that would be overlapping with idk.
>>97088478Evidence is an incredibly strong word
>>97088462just dok 3eUnrealted, but did anything interesting happen during the whole dawnbringer campaign? I was checked out of aos at the time
>>97088503morathi is the only one whose really keeping skaven in check during the hour of ruin. I dunno how, but it seems like she has her shit together this edition.
>>97088484No, no, you see, this will be a fursona for a freshwater elemental, idoneth have a literal wave of saltwater, totally different.
>>97088258>imperator titans but fantasyFuck it, there's worse things they would do.
>>97088512>titansthere aren't going to be megagargant sized, just gargant sizedthe cogfort is going to be titan sized
>>97088516Honestly forgot we still had little gargants. Forgive me anon-dono
are there any books that star in greywater?
>>97088543https://www.blacklibrary.com/Home/Search-Results.html?__csrfToken=kIrAmZmNqaOLoDpWk9z357Jj70r13%2BFaFc3c3pYikDo6&filter_type=6&filter_Action=0&filter_name=SearchTerm&submit=GO&filter_value=greywater+
Anime is back, and also White Dwarf.https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ufdc58kz/sunday-preview-the-divine-prince-returns-to-necromunda/
>>97088574>Trollslayer (Mega Limited Edition)Uh, thanks James. Way to spring that on me right after the Darkwater release.
>>97088574ill be interested on the mindset for darkwaters creative design.
>>97088434The spirefall is an inside joke in the design studio about how light elves had to be redesigned from scratch after the decision of not scrapping slaanesh anymore.
>>97088453Also the varanguard kit has no slaanesh bits
>>97088464>and the delay in elves has been because of the change in the decision, since the new dark elves would have been effectively taking charge of slaanesh's portfolioHonestly dark elves replacing slaanesh explains a lot of shit.Morathi being a snake monster, malekith symbol on the chaos star, that one pic with "dragon malekith", that one weird dark elf from silver tower etc.
Earth Vader replacing slaanesh could have actually been cool
>>97088453>>97088633Slaanesh has been imprisoned fir all of AoS since launch, newfag
>>97088654>Slaanesh has been imprisoned fir all of AoS since launch, newfagAnd how does this disprove the slaanesh removal theory?
>>97088434No because everything anyone ever said could be easily refuted. >Look at this symbol being gone! Why would early AoS have fucked up printing and production GW is always on the ball!>The Ynnari are a thing and GW has never ever introduced a win condition for an entire faction before this is a first time occurrence I swear!>Slaanesh doesn’t even show up if you don’t read the books about slaanesh and his followers explicitly looking at the reader and telling them over and over and over again they’re going to be found. All of the support is starting at a conclusion and working backwards
>>97088574MEGALIMITED EDITION
>>97088670Also not to mention the idea that GW would kill off a core chaos army in other games for AoS is even more funny and less believable than them killing the Ultramarines
>>97088669How would Archaon get a blessing from a captured god? It's been addressed. You think you have a point but you don't
>>97088670>fucked up printing and productionah yes, gw just "forgot" to add a slaaneshi head to dorghar, and a slaaneshi option to the varanguard.
GW intended to remove Slaanesh for AoS, that's why he's the only chaos god with an explicit narrative in AoS
>>97088686>Also not to mention the idea that GW would kill off a core chaos army in other games for AoS is even more funny and less believable than them killing the UltramarinesThey wanted to remove slaanesh in general because "sex bad" not just for aos>inb4 that isn't what slaanesh is about to outsiders and inverstors it is, like very slaanesh meme is about "haha sex" and thats a image they didn't want anymore back then.
>>97088434I don't think Slaanesh was ever at risk of being killed off in a narrative sense, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of the early plans was just to merge Slaanesh with Dark Elves army wise and make an AoS Dark Elf/Emperor Children style range before those hypothetical plans just got thrown out for Slaanesh as we now have it.
Varanguard totally don't have Slaanesh options guys, just ignore the gimp mask head and definitely don't read the fluff explaining the second circle devoted to SlaaneshReddit told me GW were removing Slaanesh because AoS is for kids so it must be true!
>>97088698>that's why he's the only chaos god with an explicit narrative in AoSIts more just how important slaanesh is to elves in warhammer, but the other gods do kind of have plot lines. Khorne has khul and aqshytzeentch is just fucking with everyone nurgle is fucking with ghyran and the everqueen hard. He even managed to kill kurnoth.
>>97088716NOOOOOO REDDIT SAID SO!!!
>>97088705>if some of the early plans was just to merge Slaanesh with Dark Elves army wise and make an AoS Dark Elf/Emperor Children styleyou mean some kind of cult of pleasure army. come on people.
>>97087864Where? All the battleforces are still available here (yes including 40k)
>>97088696Yeah because a missing symbol in a book is comparative to a model are you retarded why would you reply to that point with that? But never mind that let me engage with this retardation so because GW didn’t give one guy and his forces slaanesh bits GW was obviously going to take slaanesh from millions of people? Is this the 1+1 you’re giving me? >>97088698The great horned rat is right there and AoS chaos gods have infinitely more expression, character, and agency than any other Warhammer setting. >>97088704>They wanted to remove slaanesh in general because "sex bad" not just for aosBut kept the half naked elves running around in bikinis and explicitly focused on being females and showing off they’re females and simultaneously created a realm that impregnates you just because and then had Stormcast fucking in novels? >>97088705I would be surprised because that makes zero sense. Morathi’s schizophrenic snake bitch demon half clone doppelgänger going completely insane and taking apart of the temples with them sure, but not only was Dark Elves already in Order they were also still opposed to serving slaanesh outside of being in Order
>>97088574>Voting also opens for Black Library Book of the Year, so you can have your say and crown your favourite novels before 2025 comes to a close. We’ll see you there!Imma be real bros I think AoS will be struggling to make the top 10 this year.
>>97088758was masters of death even a new book? I thought it was just a omnibus of old stuff.
bros glazing is so addictingwatching that paint slide into place is some meditation type shit
>GW addresses Slaanesh day 1 >GW addresses the lack of a Slaanesh blessing on Archaon when he releases >GW releases Varanguard with a Slaanesh head I read on reddit slaanesh was planned to be removed and replaced by malerion based on art in the launch box quick start bundle which is known for being inconsistent with everything that came out after (Steamhead Duardin, Red Slayers)
>>97088716>the gimp mask headall heads in the varanguard kit are undivided, it's the demonic weapons that are overly aligned, and the slaanesh one is missing
>>97088654What bearing has that on the lack of Slaanesh bits for Varanguard?
Anyone got pdf of Skaven Pestilens Battletome?
>>97088716Where is the slaaneshi weapon bit?
>>97088758Tbf, starseers ruin is good. Dont know about the rest.
>>97088786>>GW addresses Slaanesh day 1*sidelines, with an executioner sword hanging over its head>>GW addresses the lack of a Slaanesh blessing on Archaon when he releases*excuses, inconsistently so since in the same book sigmar did have a slaanesh demon sent against him anyway>>GW releases Varanguard with a Slaanesh headno, it doesn't, the varanguard are missing slaaneshi stuff, and it makes even less sense for them to lack that since archaon would have started forming his circle of knights way before slaanesh's disappearance
>>97088716>>97088720>>97088786Why the fuck are you getting so heated? Just say like "Hmm I don't really agree or think that's enough evidence" instead of shitting the bed and insulting people.
>>97088786>>GW addresses the lack of a Slaanesh blessing on Archaon when he releasesI don't like this argument because it suggests that the lore has some stranglehold over model designs when it's really the opposite. They bend the lore to suit model releases, not the other way around.
>>97088758>A moderately entertaining book about autistic biodroid lizards and their antics, but unfortunately focuses too much on humans>a book about a nigger bitch nobody gives a shit about>a book about a nigger bitch nobody gives a shit about>Legacy of Kain OC donut steel ripoff character>a stronk independent wahmyn character nobody gives a shit about>a stronk independent wahmyn character nobody gives a shit about (also gotrek)>a stronk independent wahmyn character nobody gives a shit about>Gotrek book>white dwarf book thats actually kinda okay?Yeah AoS has little chance.
>>97088826This particular schizo has been seething about the Slaanesh thing for literally years. Every time the topic comes up he has a complete meltdown. >GW WOULD NEVER
>>97088794>all heads in the varanguard kit are undividedYes, the bondage head is clearly undivided just as the cyclopean horned head is clearly not a Nurgle allusion Varanguard have blessings by all the gods, the Gimp one is Slaanesh. The second circle is a Slaanesh faction. The Mighty Battles core book features photography for Slaanesh daemons and they're prominent in the RGW with new art just like every other army. They basically have a 1st edition book hence two battletomes in 2nd edition
>>97088873why would they remove slaanesh from aos but not 40k?
>>97088873It's so weird to me because it's not even like people are saying "GW definitely was going to squat Slaanesh"; it's just "yeah maybe it's possible they were going to do something to put them on the backburner and here's the evidence" which makes the flip-out responses seem so crazy.
>>97088897Slaanesh was severely neglected in 40k for a while too.
>>97088875>Yes, the bondage head is clearly undivided just as the cyclopean horned head is clearly not a Nurgle allusionCorrect, they're undivided, also because they're designed to be tangentially affine to multiple gods to mix bitsunlike the weapons that specifically bear a god's mark, selection that's missing slaanesh's, despite your continued copes
>>97088875The cyclopean horned helm is paired with the khornate helmet on that model...
>>97088899>here's the evidenceyeah, there's this theory from 1st edition and then there's the mistake in the realmslayer audio script saying malerion is a chaos god so you're schizo if you don't think it wasn't their plan to remove slaanesh
>>97088918khornate weapon*
>>97088918They're all undivided helmets. Nothing about that suggests it's Khorne.
>>97088927>so you're schizo if you don't think it wasn't their plan to remove slaaneshno one is saying this; you are projecting your own weird rabid thoughts onto others hereI am willing to entertain "they were never going to squat slaanesh" but you are not willing to entertain "they were maybe going to squat slaanesh" and this makes you come off as unreasonable
The question was not "Did GW actually intend to remove Slaanesh?" which we will probably never know the full answer to. The question was "Did the community believe AT THE TIME that Slaanesh was being cut?" to which the answer is yes, obviously not everyone did and it probably wasn't even the majority opinion, but when AOS was first launching and much of the setting was still very ambiguous there was a big chunk of the community that expected Slaanesh to be replaced with either Malekith or the GHR.
>>97088935it was a typo
>>97088944i'm saying that, it's all based on an old image where malerion's symbol was on the chaos star instead of slaanesh
>>97088918They're interchangable weapon hands.
blood of the everchosen or scourge of fate?
>>97088906Wish they did more sexy models instead of faggotry.It's weird how this version is probably more insulting to the bugchaser community than just having chicks with tits out if they thought about it for more than a second.The again the keeper of secrets is as on theme as it gets, even if it's disgusting.
>>97088984I wish Slaanesh was more degenerate and debased NOOOO NOT LIKE THAT!
So is it looking like darkwater flopped?
>>97088997It's a spectrum and they are on the wrong end of the slider.Even if it had to have a bit of faggotry in it I'd prefer they cap it at around 25% gay.Instead of having 95% faggotry with a single tit stapled on.At least make an effort to make it appealing to people without toxoplasmosis and an assortment of miscellaneous parasites.
>>97089018It sounds terrible and the only reviews are negative but that probably doesn't matter
>>97088977SoF
>>97088574I kind of want to paypig for Trollslayer it’s actually a good book.
>>97089095>troll slayer>a actually good book anon thats like one of the worst among the gotrek books.
>>97089095GW book quality is dogshit though
>>97089107The physical quality I mean.
>>97089060don't forget the varanguard
>>97088758How is the white dwarf from white dwarf still around? Or is it a gotrek thing where he was warped to smegmar from fagtasy
>>97089133He’s literally Jesus for the dwarves.
>Darkwater pre order weekend>little to no buzz>popular 40k channels hyping up TOWI don't feel so good bros..
>>97089151anon you might be terminally online.
>>97089151I watched that earlier today and I really hope his anecdotal statements about the popularity of TOW are wrong otherwise we might be in trouble.
>>97089151Genuinely why do you guys think AoS doesn't have the same outside draw that Fantasy clearly does. There's so many popular 40k youtubers that also play and/or openly love Fantasy while openly showing disdain for AoS. The largest of these I can think of is Valrak. But even these two guys, they are pretty big in the 40k scene. So why does a game that they describe in their own words as " 40k light " not interest them at all and they instead are drawn to Fantasy?
>>97089220>Genuinely, why are these supposed TOW fags so bored and retarded that they've got nothing better to do than post extremely obvious and pitiful bait attempts in the AoS thread. If TOW is supposedly doing so well, why do they all hang out here instead?
>>97089151It wouldn't have buzz, AoS has no dedicated channels. Why would 40kfags talk about AoS WHQ?
>>97089133The gods and demigods survived, but his novel details how Grungni made him which iirc may refer to AoS rather than WHF so this White Dwarf is different I suppose but spiritually the same
>>97089151Cursed City was the same, the 40k crowd loved 40k quest but didn't switch to Cursed City. That said Darkwater has less coverage than Cursed City did for sure and not just controversial drama
>>97088897>why would they remove slaanesh from aos but not 40k?The ynnari plotline in 8th explicitly set up an in-universe justification for removing slaanesh if GW wanted to go that route. The fact that the ynnari were pushed so hard at the beginning of 8th and then have been completely ignored since then suggests that there was at least some sort of change of plans at GW
>>97089338qrd?
Note how after they pulled back on squatting Slaanesh he started being about excess in ALL THINGS, so he doesn't have to be the sexsexsexfuckcumshitpiss god?
>>97089356I dont really have much investment in any slaanesh stuff but was he really that flanderized before fb died?
>>97089356Thats what happens when a specific group's influence grows too much
>>97089151I'd rather have 40k players stay out of other games.For some reason it makes GW think they can make those games more popular by changing rules to be closer to 40k
>>97089220For me, it boils down to i would say 95% of all warhammer fans(even aos fans) thinking that the way GW handled the end times was absolutely abysmal. Aos being the "replacement" system will always have the sting of being tied to that. And so when the TOW is released, its a game that I would argue most of your average tabletop game crowd(especially after total war) absolutely WANT TOW to succeed. The only issue is its old ass minis, but if it had consistent releases of new minis, it would cause the crowd that want the game to succeed but are put off by ancient minis, to actually hop on the train. And also worth mentioning, while 40k fans never really invested much into fantasy when it was around, its a weird phenomenon where as soon as fantasy is blown up they get mad and hold a grudge because they "wanted to start someday", when the reality is they never would have started.
>>97089365No. It's 40k side, but "Fulgrim" was published almost a decade before AOS launched and went into a bunch of different facets of falling to Slaanesh through different kinds of excess.
>>97089356He always was a god of hedonism which isn't just strictly orgies
>>97089356>startedthat was always the case, but they didn't really explore the other stuff until they got to make the rangeif slaanesh was exclusively about sex, then noise marines wouldn't have been a thing in the first place, it was always about extremes in sensations and vices also beyond mere sex, sigvald was more about pride than sex, despite the naked buttcheeks
And also worth mentioning, this thread thinks its the whfb/TOW fans that hate aos the most, when i firmly belive alot of it actually comes from the 40k crowd.
>>97089417>the 40k crowdit's exclusively the secondary imperialfags
>>97089430yeah, I was quite confused but then remembered nogames types like the arch guy who have a similar "interest" in being a nogames, nolit, WHF wiki reader too so there's a hostility to the idea of AoS
>>97089151>>97089172>>97089220>>97085675i cast thee out trolls. this is sigmars holy thread, i rebuke thee in the name of the mortal realms. leave, and ne'er return
It is kinda weird 40ktards don't care about darkwater because it's the same rules team? I'm interested in kill team, necromunda, etc because I like AoS and Warcry Do 40k players even really like playing 40k?
>>97089492I've seen a few people interested in whq in 40kg over the past few weeks. The big thing is people who have only a mild interest will probably only make a couple posts. People who feel extremely biased in one way or another are going to make lots of posts.
>>97089492They just like buying shit. Note how many more of them have "piles of shame" that display their lack of impulse control. Look at how much the 40k normie whines about painting or compares it to a tedious chore instead of enjoying it and wanting to improve.
>>97089492>Do 40k players even really like playing 40k?Noand if there were a game that was identical to 40k, rulewise, but not 40k themed, then they wouldn't care in the slightest
>>97089492>Do 40k players even really like playing 40k?I'll give you a hint: no
Just played some Sand&Bone spearhead today.That new season is really nice, different enough from the other one that it doesn't feel like a strict upgrade.I really like what they did with the two special terrains, even though I still don't understand how you're supposed to play with the coffin (in the end we just put it in the middle of the map)
>>97089573That's almost literally what was said >>97089151by the other guy. He said since AoS is 40k light, why would he bother getting into it when he prefers the 40k setting. And that TOW is a radical departure from the simplified 40k/AoS core gameplay so that appeals to him (as he describes the granularity of fantasy)
>>97089345When GW started moving the plot forward again around the launch of 8th, they introduced a faction of eldar called the ynnari that were trying to create a new eldar god of death that could destroy slaanesh. They and their named characters had a big role in the plotline that transitioned the game from 7e-8e, and helped revive the primarch that's now running the imperium. They've done quite literally nothing of note since then and have had no model releases since the initial wave of named characters. They're still getting rules but nobody's sure how long that will last.
>>97089616Let's not forget that they've been essentially canned in the narrative, too. The final McGuffin sword they needed is now in the Palace of Slaanesh and Yvraine and her cult are now seen as the Eldar equivalent of the Westboro Baptist Church.
>>97089629Oh wow, it's not like we had Imperium characters running around Nurgles garden multiple times in recent years. I'm sure artifact being in Slaanesh's realm means it's unobtainable
>>97089629Why would you think GW would easily give a faction their win condition. It’s like the past three editions people forgot how GW narratives work
>>97089704The last time a GW writer pulled something so stupid he had to go into police protection because of the volume of death threats he was receiving. Although the current GW customer is much more of a consumer piggu than back during the Matt Ward days.
>>97089220>pretty big >25k subsHuh?I think it's as simple as fantasy just having a much larger cultural footprint, and a lot of the sloptubers having nostalgia for it. Even the 40k youtubers still knew of fantasy as the other game back in the day, a significant amount of them maybe played it too, or got introduced to warhammer via fantasy. While it was still around 40keks would make fun of fantasy, but when it got the can a lot of people got sympathy for it. I think this is something common in warhammer spaces in general, people will shit on unpopular stuff all the time but when it finally gets squatted suddenly a lot of people 'always loved it' despite never owning the models. Happened with fatcast, would've happened with fyreslayers, will probably still happen with vulkite berserkers. >>97089430The most vocal haters in this day and age are total war secondaries, who have been fed on a steady diet of aos seething by grogs from day 1. If you go to more mainstream warhammer social media you'll notice people are pretty chill with aos (after a decade lol) but the total war people still sperg the fuck out whenever it is mentioned. These people didn't even know what a warhammer was before 2015 lmao.
most AoS haters are one polish janny
>>97089584>different enough from the other one that it doesn't feel like a strict upgrade.Agreed, I hope we get more Spearhead releases, like a box set in Ulgu and Hysh that features some small Lumineth or DoK terrain >even though I still don't understand how you're supposed to play with the coffin (in the end we just put it in the middle of the map)That's basically correct. The coffin is placed in the middle of the board on the side that doesn't have any objectives in the very centre. Basically it sits between objectives on the Ossia board. Like this, hope that helps :3
>>97089768>giving a faction an actual hurdle is stupid
>>97089805I mean popularity is relative. But in 10 hours their TOW video got more views than AoS videos usually get in their entire lifespan.
We ever get a pdf or scan of the Sand and Bone book, since folk are talking about it? I've it physically but digital is always handy for travel etc.
PSSSSST!anyonegottheabraxiaaudiobookplzandthankyouloveyou
I thought Sigmar's Toll was actually really good. Blacktalon was utter shite. Why did Blacktalon get a sequel series and Sigmar's Toll didn't?
>>97089871A channel with 25k subs is not pretty big in the 40k scene man, the big ones over there are close to a million. Though I suppose that's mostly lore slop, actual hobby channels are usually a fair bit less. Biggest one I can think of is eons of battle, mainly 40k but does spearhead stuff pretty frequently recently and has zero issue hitting double digit x thousand views, usually around 40-50k for the aos vids.
>>97090077Come on now anon, why are you trying to make it sound like that's because of AoS. He also does videos on non GW games that get the same amount of views, because he's popular. Not because Star Wars wargame 31 is as popular as AoS or 40k.
>>97089964Because Sigmar's Toll ended like 3 seconda ago and there was no time to make more?
has no one leaked the blighted wilds regiment stuff?
>>97090096Sure, but by the same token these nobodies you posted are also a 40k channel that just happened to post a tow vid. If we're going just aos off the top of my head honest wargamer shits outs these videos where he talks about nothing but stats every week hitting 10k views pretty consistently. I just find it weird that this channel of 25k, with a video of 8k is touted as anything remotely significant. You'd have a better case if you looked at the views on fantasy loreslop videos vs the aos ones.
>>97089964didnt sigmars toll just come out a few weeks ago?
>>97090111>onest wargamer shits outs these videos where he talks about nothing but stats every week hitting 10k views pretty consistently.Anon he literally has a TOW channel that also regularly gets past 10k views talking about nothing.
>>97090111>>97090129Also it seems like he stopped making AoS content and his channel was a hybrid 40k and AoS channel not just AoS.
>>97090129>video views more dependent on creators rather than the game system they talk aboutAnon this goes against your whole original argument (assuming you're the one who posted the video in the first place)
Can you take this to the 40k or wfg thread? This seems like the nonsensical thing where people who have no egos would argue about at.
>>97090141My original argument had nothing to do with the view count it was more so that another 40k channel is branching out into TOW and that it worries me.
>>97090153>that it worries me.first world problems amirite?
>>97090153Why would that worry you kekEverything else aside, again, they're nobodies.
>>97090129>>97090134>Rob left AoS for TOWSo that's why people stopped posting him here in the last couple years. Shame, he seemed like a solid non shill AoS creator.
>>97090134>>97090181>>97090129You know that he streams every other day about AoS, like his entire streams channel is about AoS:https://www.youtube.com/@thehonestwargamerstreams
>>97090201>significantly lower average viewer count than his TOW channelIs this supposed to make me feel better?
>>97090134>>97090181absolute fanfiction. he is still making almost daily videos for AoS. fuck the hell off with this doomposting bating shit
>>97090181Really it’s shit like this that annoys me. A lot of the fans of aos were in fact old fantasy folks who eventually got brought on around the tonal shift of aos 2 and 3, but I’m more biased around 2.0 because that’s when I got in. But basically a lot of people never “fully invested” into aos I feel, but when they release things like seraphon,slaves to darkness, and skaven those shoot to the top of the charts because it gives them a dose of nostalgia dopamine. Of course, then gw has the bright fucking idea of bringing out warhammer fantasy again, and yes it’s 95% old ass models, but just the fact it’s warhammer fantasy causes these people who have settled with aos to ditch it as soon as there are signs of model support for TOW increasing.
>this is how you want to spend your sundayman
>>97090134honestwargamerstreams is the slop version but he would usually get half the TOW stuff
>>97090229I feel by the time tow launched most aos players were already new aos players and not simply whfb holdouts begrudgingly holding on becausd they couldn't fathom playing anything but gw. I mean they were absolutely some still around and I imagine most jumped ship (again) when tow launched, but most people I talked to were either new players entirely, or dadgamers who didn't really care too much for all the happenings.As for seraphon, std, etc, I think it's more a case of larger ranges attracting larger fanbases. Bound to be something you like in a range as deep as those factions. Ogres is a classic fantasy army too and they're mid tier at absolute best. Although beasts had a relatively deep roster and were always quite unpopular despite good rules, so eh who knows.
>>97090229>but just the fact it’s warhammer fantasy causes these people who have settled with aos to ditch it as soon as there are signs of model support for TOW increasingI really hope you aren't correct because that would only mean that more and more people will abandon AoS for ToW now that their pace of releases is finally picking up for new models.
to get that tree thingy I would have to use basing tufts right? Anyone have any other suggestions?
>>97090385the stuff on the base is tufts, the stuff on the dudes back looks like static grass and leaves, probably using some kind of a brush on adhesive
>>97090385No, you have plenty of options.
>>97090398I see. >>97090399I still think it’s funny that the reason he went with this was because he fucked up the model during assembly. But I’m looking too apply this to non centerpiece stuff.
>>97090385this shit always looks so stupid and out of place, I don't understand why so many people do it
>>97090181He is a big proponent of TOW and runs events for it. He's pretty up there in the competitive scene iirc as far as event organisation goes. His AoS events never earned as much
>>97090409> was because he fucked up the model during assemblyi've built that model. thats veeeery easy to do. i fucked up the lower leg assembly on mine but luckily not so bad that i couldnt jam it into fitting
>>97090414Makes it stand out more. I think it’s cool. It’s probably best done more minimally though.
>>97090414Original model has too few leaves for spring themed armies but that pic is way too busy.
>>97090181>>97090421No you retards, he just uploads his aos streams on the stream channel nowadays. He also ran a 2 day aos event literally this weekend. Fuck you for making me look up this eceleb shit.
God i wish there was a way to get miniaturized thorny branches. They’d be a fucking game changer for people who love grimdark shit.
>>97090442He runs more for TOW and has more frequent streams for it. It is a fact and doesn't relate to the success of either system anyway, stop crying bitch
>>97090398Does it really work on a base? I find most of this products way to big to look natural
Are Tzaangors edible? (Mmm. Tastes like a chicken.) Or will you develop chaos constipation? Asking for a Soulbound game.
>>97090465There might be some 3d printed shit on eBay that works
>>97090469I don't think that anyone is disputing that TOW is his passion project/main focus.
>>97089220AoS lacks a lot of the standard fantasy shit that is just normal.Sometimes you really don't need to have a "spin" on shit like we got Sylvaneth, Lumineth and Idoneth, but none of them are really just your standard elves even ignoring the hideous hats.Dwarves are closer to normal, but then you have orange naked babies be one of the primary ones and the others have balloons...Skaven are peak fantasy on their own. 2 of the 4 chaos gods and their subjects are lame, maybe 3 even.The cities of sigmar are neat for those who want your standard normal knights and medieval stuff, stormcasts are your legendary knight guys, they got dragons too. All fairly good. Maybe having the hallowed scheme be the main one instead of the gold shit would be more appealing to outsiders.Destruction factions are a joke, but I can see some being sort of an acquired taste.TL:DR; most of the stuff has little mass appeal while old world was more standard or at least had more standard/fantasy themes people could latch on to.
>>97090479You’re likely eating a man so at the very least it’s cannibalism. You could randomly bite into it and find a “gift” that Tzeentch wanted you to find.
>>97090479Eating a Tzaangor would fuck you up. Try reading what FB boomers think will happen when you eat GMO or some shit
>>97090488Another thing to note is that while AoS factions have a lot of uniqueness they are playing it way too safe with what they got.This makes a lot of the factions to me at least feel bland.
>>97090485I’m looking for something could wrap around a head or a weapon.
>>97090508How about cutting notches into a thin, coated wire?
>>97090465>>97090508The long-discontinued Death World Basing Kit had etched brass brambles that could be used like that. Maybe some other manufacturer makes a similar product?
>>97090488Sylvaneth mog wood elves thoughbeit
>>97090465>buy scale barbed wire>spraypaint brown
>>97090560I like sylvaneth more just because it can extend beyond just the elves, and the trees. I feel like they could have more diversity than old cities of sigmar if gw just flirts with rootkings and other 2e stuff.
>>97090599Root kings would've been a perfect little warcry warband now that I think about it. Would've been more at home than some of the out there stuff like the vampire monks too.
>>97090560Yeah I love them, but what if we had 2-3 standard wood elves along them instead of the shitty small dryads?Or just make them look closer to standard fantasy dryads...Idk man, I'm sure it would go a long way to just have a small subfaction of wood elves with them no matter what justification.Currently they are cool, I agree.They do fit into the category I mentioned in my reply. They have a great concept and they don't go far enough with it.If they don't add wood elves at least get more variety. The design/concept allows for SO MUCH MORE than you have and this is true for many factions.Idoneth could be much cooler too, but now they are just tinted lumineths with water creatures.
>>97090488>you have orange naked babies be one of the primary ones and the others have balloonsAnd both are cool.
>>97090643I do agree that sylvaneth have a lot of untapped potential. They should do more with the spites and bugs, the wing backpacks like on the revenant and gossamid are a good start. It's be nice if they got a little bit crazier with their shapes, which is honestly a complaint I have for all "non-flesh" factions, obr come to mind.>idoneth and just tinted lumineth with water creaturesCan't even be mad, yeah basically. I must be the only guy who plays idoneth for the cool namarti, wish they did more with them. Also give me my fucking heavy infantry I don't care if they don't serve a purpose I WILL consoom gw.
>>97090643You are going to be disappointed but the elves are gone. They are in fantasy again and for that reason Sylvaneth won't be going in the direction of elves in the future. If that's a deal breaker, you should probably look at other factions.
>>97090699>Sylvaneth won't be going in the direction of elves in the futureIt will go in the direction of Kurnothi, which is even better.
>>97090745Can't tell if sarcastic or not.
>>97090754Kurnothi are both popular and inevitable, no matter how much you need to cope about it.
>>97090699It's not a dealbreaker as long as they get more cool stuff instead of the same model over and over playing it safe.>>97090692100% they are much closer to what I expect from "deepkin".Idk what exactly you mean by heavy infantry, but I really wish they made some out there fantasy ideas with them too.Maybe like a bioshock suit and they drill from the seas under cities to steal resources or their enemies in general for whatever made up reason.AoS factions play it way too safe with skaven being a delightful exception.>>97090745>KurnothiI too enjoyed that one deerfucker greentext.
If they really wanted to differentiate wanderers from wood elves they could just go with a more shamanistic approach. Although wood elves are a historically unpopular race in fantasy anyways so there probably wouldn’t even be a need.
>Maggotkin wave 2>It's not zombies and chariots kind of a flop imo
>>97090765>heavy infantryExactly what it sounds like, infantry that's not chaff like the thralls. Biggest problem with idoneth as they only really have 3 units that are not single pieces; namarti thralls, namarti reavers, and the eels. The latter are a dual warscroll but the only thing that really changes visually is swords vs spears (well bidents). One of the more common suggestions for idoneth is hence unsuprisingly, heavy infantry. Most commonly this takes the form of akhelian nobles, like we see in that one warband, but there's plenty of options. Worst part is the ikons could've been basically this, but they made it a hero instead. Imagine 5 dudes in picrel armour on a wave as a unit instead...
>>97090817This looks dangerously like an alpha legion dude
Question from an aos newb, do god-specific chaos warriors / chosen exist, either in rules or fluff ?And if so, would it be hypothetically possible for a sufficiently powerful minor chaos god to have their own warriors/chosen (fluffwise ofc). Let's say, warrior of malal, or chosen of the warcry corvus god or whatever?
>>97090895>do god-specific chaos warriors / chosen exist, either in rules or fluff ?Yes, both as marked units in Slaves to Darkness and specific units in the various god-dedicated army books. That is to say, there are both "Chaos Warriors/Chosen of Nurgle" and "Putrid Blightkings" for example.>And if so, would it be hypothetically possible for a sufficiently powerful minor chaos god to have their own warriors/chosenYeah.
>>97090895>Question from an aos newb, do god-specific chaos warriors / chosen exist, either in rules or fluff ?Fantasy is getting god marked chaos warrior minis soon if you're interested. All you have to do is wait a bit.
>>97090385Something I've wondered for a little while. Do Sylvaneth grow fruits, berries, or veggies? And if so, are those edible?
>>97090817yeah, thats what deepkin need, more infantry they'll never use
I got some questions for IJ AFICIONADOS. When building an ironjawz force, I’ve seen that people usually run lots of arboyz (around 30 but at least 20) and a decent amount of weirdbrutes. I don’t see as many brutes. I’ve heard here and there that they’re not very good because they’re expensive, they have 3 wounds, they hit on 4’s with only 3 attacks, and they’re slow. Like blightkings with fewer attacks, fewer hit chance, and less health for the same points almost. Which is a shame since I have 5 that I painted really nice, but I might run them at least and another 5 if I like them. The war chanter and weirdnob shaman are imperative as your only priest and wizard respectively, and with so many ardboyz the ardboy big boss almost seems imperative as well for the bash roll buff. Oh yeah and Zoggrok also looks like awesome support but he is a little expansive. Is his AoR any good or at least fun? Do you run any Kruleboy RoR for shooting? Do people usually take the mega boss or would the list be too hero heavy? I’m aiming to draft a list around 1k or 1.5k points. As for pigs, do you always take at least 3 to score objectives and tactics? Everything else is really slow and vulnerable to shooting as they trudge along. I have the ironjawz spearhead and I’ve played a couple games with them. From what I’ve seen they’re kind of dice reliant but pretty tanky. They like push and shove forward to get into combat. The mega boss is also an absolute unit in combat. Very fun and cool model. I’m not a big fan of the monster units however. Infantry and pigs are enough for me.
I just remembered that Neave had a tree mom before they decided she was a completely different character. That was weird.
>>97091096https://www.youtube.com/@MossDogAoS/videosif you want a deepdive on ironjawz, watch this guys videos. he plays them a lot, and he's also had on aaron newbom for a couple interviews on ironjawz, and he's one of the best placing IJs players in the world this past year or so.
Is there any truth to the idea of as being squatted and replaced by old world?
>>97091358Ass has already been squatted and sprinkled all over the old world.
>>97091362AoS obviously
>>97091358If Valrak is to be believed yes, there are a lot of people working behind the scenes trying to make that happen, and many of them have seniority in Nottingham.
>>97091358>Squat the 2nd best selling Wargame and replace it for one that's not even in the top 10. Yeah I'm sure, any day now.
>>97091451That's right, TOW and HH are absolutely being outsold by Bones. That chart is very accurate surely.
>>97091457Wouldn’t surprise me desu.
>>97091451This. It's a pretty ridiculous suggestion.>>97091457The only other metric we can go by is tournament attendance, which again, AoS has far greater numbers than ToW.GW isn't squatting anything. ToW is low cost as it's all old sculpts so they will keep it. AoS sells way too much to squat.It's specialist games that potentially could face it like LI
>>97091457For the GW games, the chart is a rough minimum ranking since GW's own numbers aren't there.But I can 100% believe bones are outselling both. Bones are quite nice and them being largely generic fantasy minis (With a few specific big things) means that they're in demand for anyone playing an RPG or doing hobby painting.
>>97090895>do god-specific chaos warriors / chosen existGodmarked chaos warriors/chosen, people who have dedicated themselves to a particular chaos god and recieved their mark of chaos (rather than whatever flavor of undivided, fence sitting equal lip service to each god, or dedicating yourself to chaos as a concept beyond them), are a thing in the fluff and giving different units different marks of chaos has been a core part of the slaves tabletop gameplay across most editions. Different monogod armies also each have their own equivalents of chaos warriors/chosen/etc, like Blood Warriors for khorne, with the distinction mostly down to whether you've simply pledged yourself to a god, or whether you've totally given yourself over to them and begun chasing their particular brands of enlightenment over the standard Path to Glory.>would it be hypothetically possible for a sufficiently powerful minor chaos god to have their own warriors/chosenYeah, we've seen minor examples of this before in stuff like the shadespire novel and some belakor/archaon faithful. Both the 4e slaves book and the champions of chaos soulbound suppliment directly mention that most Chosen are either empowered by one of the five or the champion of some minor chaos god, because it's the easier path to that level of power compared to being undivided and trying not to upset any particular god too much. There's almost certainly even daemon princes out there who ascended through the empowerment of some petty chaos power like the Great Gatherer or the ever-raging flame
I still have no clue what this veil is called
>>97091666Chainveil
>>97091457i own a shit ton of Reaper miniatures for D&D, from the various Bones lines to the old pewter. the paints are also heavily underrated.
>>97090895If Belakor the First Cuck can Munro chaos gods and aspects absolutely can
>>97091387When did valrak say that? Second time I’ve come across someone claiming he said that.
>>97091387>>97091825Valrak did not say that.And GW is not longer stupid enough to cancel their second most popular game to try to replace it with their fourth most popular game.
>>97091832I believe that, but I also believe the group with “seniority” has it out for aos. I wouldnt really be shocked
>>97085691You retard, that's what they do when there isn't enough demand for the box itself.
Anyone have a PDF of the Idoneth 4th battletome? Does anyone here play Idoneth? Is it possible to make a small casual list using only Namarti units + heroes or is the army unplayable without the eels? I really love the look of the thralls but all the stuff on flying stands looks pretty bad to me aside from the turtle and shark I guess.
>>97091832With how much Saturine flopped and the current state of HH, it's possible TOW is #3
>>97091966I mean really how well TOW does this year is all banking on that Cathay release this summer(and marauders too I guess, but I think it’s a known fact those sold well)
Are wrathmongers or skullreapers any good? I'm considering getting the red revelation box to bolster my BoK. It would be my second Priest and set of reavers, but it seems like it would be decent ones to have two of. (I have the other sculpt of the priest, and I have the monopose reavers)
>>97091666Isn't it an aventail?
>>97091916Why yeah that’s exactly what they did with the saturine box as well.
Would you rather an AoS -Tide game have named PCs like in Vermintide or generic ones like in Darktide?
>>97092186If we’re playing as order, probably npcs. If death, maybe named characters. Destruction, lol.Chaos definitely npcs but make sure there are different personalities.
>>97092186I'd rather have an isometric diablo style roguelike game where you play a stormcast eternal, forced to go through an endless shifting gauntlet of enemies where you unlock new powers and equipment in each run, only for you to die and reset to try again.
>>97092227>>97092186Or maybe Risk of Rain, but with stormcast.
>>97092186named ones go a long way for building banter and renown
>>97092186>prideful and arrogant and by the book posterboy, hammers of sigmar (female)>goody two-shoes faithful paladin of good, hallowed knights (male)>reforged-too many times depressed schizo, anvils of the heldenhammer (female)>reforged-too many times warmongering schizo, celestial vindicators (male)>zealot eager to purge everything imperfect in holy fires, knights excelsior (female)>boisterous and boastful warrior-savage, space wolv-I mean, astral templars (male)everyone can take all classes and equipment options, their only unique stuff is heraldry, voicelines for specific abilities like calling down a different type of ally (seraphon, sylvaneth, ghoul, fyreslayer, 2nd stormcast, ironjaw)
>>97091691Favorite must have colour from the paint line? Like not just for your own uses, but the one you think people would get the most use out of
>>97092186Named ones. People still think AoS is rocking gems like Mortuary Factory. Be nice to talk about the game without people just devolving to 1E shitposts.>>97092400>all stormiesJames Workshop in da fresh.
>>97092407>>97091691I know there have been a lot of paint lines popping up in recent years with the growth of miniature hobbying (it's just been 40k lets be honest) and I know alot of them are often just kickstarter slop or low quality budget options.But I wish there more options at LGS's and hobby stores besides Citadel and Vallejo and sometimes AK/TTC.There's only 1 LGS within travel distance of me with AK. The rest are citadel and vallejo. Not that those brands are bad, but Imagine if you were limited to just 2 paint lines. We've only had TTC in the entire country for a year. There are two online local retailers that stock Pro Acryl but they're often out of stock and you can't examine the paint in person. Sorry anons just had to let it out. I'm at least happy Army Painter and Ak have recently entered my collection and they're slowly pushing Citadel out.>>97092186I think named ones would be cool. Or a vague backstory/origin that is not too detailed would be okay too. Kind of like Fallout New Vegas just saying that you're a courier who got hired by a company to deliver a chip. Play as an aspiring chaos lord or Knight Questor or Brute or Loonboss (with a little retinue of henchmen) or a FEC Ghoul King also with a small retinue of ghouls they command. idk I'm just spitballing here. >>97092227this but with heroes from all walks of life/grand alliances fighting their way through enemy faction strongholds.>An IJ stronghold in the badlands of Ghur>A silver tower in the twisting realm of tzeentch>a plagued garden of Nurgle>A Khorne bloodbound stronghold in Aqshy>The pleasure palace of a local human lord that fell to chaos>challenge mode where you need to repel a darkoath raid or escort a wagon train through darkoath lands idk>rescuing some VIP captives from getting eaten by Ogors>exploring a Moonclan cave and cleaving through hordes of goblins and squigs with the occasional Troggoth bossagain just spitballing here
>>97092521>>all stormiesLets be real, stormcasts are the posterboys, they have a wide array of archetypes and weapons and designs, and their superhuman strength, lightning powers and ability to respawn lend themselves to videogame mechanics and scopes of enemies in a way too convenient fashion to pass up on it.
>>97092539they are unironically more marketable as enemies to cut down than playing as them.
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>>97092549enemies have to be numerous and weak, they don't fit the billleaving aside the fact that games where you play as the unequivocal bad guy and fight the unequivocal good guys are rare for good reasons
