Pic unrelated edition>Previous Thread: >>97067348>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/>Thread question:What is your ONE biggest gripe with each edition?
>>97086171These OPics are great>What is your ONE biggest gripe with each edition?For 1.0 it would be how pointless infantry was, if people didn't care about their marines you wouldn't see a single infantry model in their list. For 2.0 it would be how wildly unbalanced dreadnoughts were, to the level that the entire game revolved around them. When everybody in the community agrees to implement a hard limit on how many you can bring, with nobody arguing against it, you know shit's fucked up.For 3.0 it's the absolutely retarded marine model outlines they used for the FOC slot icons. Not all armies are marines, and the slot with a recon marine on it allowing you to bring a land raider explorator is just so dumb and confusing way more people than it should.
Was a release window ever given for the plastic Breachers?
>>97086284They're cumming in the whacky ass battleforce after the cata refresh wave 2
I have a forge world arvus lighter, a couple of mars pattern forge world leman russes, and a couple of vanaheim pattern basilisks that have been sitting unpainted in a box all for about a decade. How much more would it take to turn that into a decent solar auxila army?
It's that time again.Post your most recent schizo kitbash/conversion.
>>97086315
>>97086315Legion Herald for IH
>>97086289Isn't that simultaneously, and when is that box dropping then? These things just kind of seem to be released arbitrarily, like with the Rapiers and the plastic Fellblade.
To the Anon who scanned the Saturn Journal: Lemme blow you
>>97086312Another four or five hundred dollars, probably.
>>97086349Giant swords have never been used throughout human history and it's absurd that the Imperium of Man with all its hyper practical warfare and tradition would have a two handed version of its most basic melee weapon because it would clearly be absolutely useless and there is absolutely not any kind of real life equivalent except for a single instance in an unrelated industry.
>>97086360Very sexy anon. How'd you make the banner?
>>97086445comman kit + some gears and chain I had lying around
>>97086428>Imperium of Man>hyper practical warfareHoly fucking kek, this is amazing bait.
>>97086171Mata Nui more like Umata Nui lmao
>1 Centurion>3 triple-twin Las Land Raiders >15 Termies >40 Tacticals>4 Rhinos>700 free pointsWhat am I missing?
>>97086512Dual gravis plasma cannon castraferrum dreadnoughts. Thank me later.
>>97086171Don't care, I only play the epic scale games.
Are IF the only marines with a yellow scheme in HH? Did none of the legions have an alt scheme that has yellow? I really want to paint yellow but I don't want to paint yellow marines and call them Ultramarines or whatever if there's no precedent for it
>>97086537If you really want to paint yellow just say they’re deathguard. Both them and imperial fists look like rancid fucking piss that’s been gargled by an Indians fisted asshole after it’s been left out in the sun of they’re rape beaches.
>>97086547Jesus Christ anon
I'm ready for this fresh hell to end
>play 1e>take falchion>cripple two av14 vehicles bc of D-table and shock pulse>land raider accidentally blows off the demolisher from another russ>opponents have lost all their real anti-vehicle capabilities on the first turn>I still have a 4+ cover save when they try to hit me back>they just ignore my melta recon squads and I blow up another land raider and a contemptor with them the next turnmy opponents were not having a good time
Printed a conversion kit for a mk2b to use as a land raider explorator to fit with my word bearers getting the shitheap gear.
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>>97086315head too small/10
>>97086547It's so tiresome when anons cannot separate 30k Death Guard with plague marines.
>>97086523>I HAVE AWOKEN>ONLY IN DEATH DOES DUTY END
>>97086171Does anyone know if pic related is compatable with the HH tactical squads. I got a couple of boxes of pic related and I have some mk6 tac marines and I am planning on mixing and match the armors to give some character to my marines. Are the HH models that much larger compared to the 40k tac marines?
>>97086315schiso
>>97086315That type of jump pack didn't exist during the Heresy, unfortunately. I do, however, really like this conversion!
>>97086769artificer jump pack
Fucking sick
>>97086769With the new plastic HH infantry you can only really use the shoulderpads, arms, and helmets from that kit. Because the new kits have the torso attached to the legs you can't use those from older kits.Can use most of the weapons with a little effort, but which ones are HH era depends on how autistic your local rivet counters are.
>>97086641Keep 40k marines in 40k. Only a few bits of those kits are ok in 30k. Most of the bits are anachronic, and dated to much later in the timeline after the HH. > I have some mk6 tac marines and I am planning on mixing and match the armors to give some character to my marinesmk6 tacs in the HH were mass produced legionaries. Like SW clone troopers. This isn't 40k where each marine is a bit unique, unless they were Great Crusade vets in mk2/3 > Are the HH models that much larger compared to the 40k tac marines?not as big as primaris, they're like nuCSM, but still very noticeable if you look for it. Seriously, save these boxes for the inevitable midhammer 40k nostalgia fad in a few years. Or play 4th ed with them, dunno. But do not be yet another cheap and lazy cunt using 40k shit in 30k becuase he doesn't want to bother doing things the right way. Don't ruin the pseudo historical vibes of the game.
do the mk2 bolters fit on the mk6 kit?
>>97086950I am going to use them for 40k(Badab war) not for 30k. I was just wondering if the chests and arms from the tac squad are compatible with the torso of the 30k marines.
>>97086983Yes, it's literally the exact same 5 models anyway.
>>97086986The arms, yes. Torsos and legs are one piece in the new HH kits, so you'd need to cut them in half if you want to use old 40k marines torsos
>>97086280> FOC slot iconsFor the life of me I don't understand why they don't just write out the word 'Recon'. There's a bizarre aversion to doing things simply and writing simple terms with complex pictures that makes no fucking sense to me.
>>97087001Ahh. Ok thanks anon.
>>97087007Okay this might be hard to understand for autistic fucks like you and me anon, but for most people, reading is hard and takes a lot of effort. A simple, abstract icon is something that they can recognise and understand much faster than having to read even a single word.
>>97086811wait, what the fuck the kit has two powerfist. Was there an upgrade kit released or is this some sort of box release only thing. Because one of the worse things about the starter set saturn dudes is that they have only one open fist each.
>>97086939I just build the HH kit and cut it in half to add a veteran chestplate from the DA veteran box.
>>97087026The only way to get dual disruptions fists officially is with the Saturnine Praetor model; he holds the hammer in his right hand and the axe on his left, so you only get one spare hand. For the command squad, you can't take the axe without also taking a fist. So, the logistics are somehow even worse than Terminator weapons.
You guy think this model could be used as a counts as Death Guard Apothecary, til GW releases a real upgrade kit to make them?
>>97087026>square studs on the fistsThose are quite obviously pr00nts
>>97087068Hammers for Cataphractii/Tartaros more specifically I should've added. Gotta get them off the Assault Termie kits, which I'd have no problem getting but I wish Indomitus guys had characters to go with them at least. Left/right handed weapons might be a problem too, depending.
>>97087072No counts as, that straight up is a legal apothecary model anon. Keep using it, don't become a mindless cons00mer slave to GW's slop.
>>97087089Ah okey. Thanks. I do consum, but only stuff people give me. I wouldn't start a DG army, if it wasn't for anons here that told me that, after my mom painted a pretor I should give him an army to be a leader of. So I am slowly building a small Death Guard army.
>>97087072 That's just an apothecary you idiot.
>>97087116Thank you anon. It looked like an apothecary to me. But when I get given a model. Or get models from a collection partition, I rather come here and ask what it is. For example I didn't know that the difference between a Champion, Pretor and Centurion is practicaly non existent as far as dude+big sword goes.
>>97086769this
>>97086769>No official lore confirming or denying thisSource: I made it the fuck up.
>>97087023Icons are not simpler or easier for anyone on the planet. That is not why they use icons. Icons are used purely as a nostalgia thing because on battlefield maps, you can't have the word "recon" running around so they'd use a triangle or square or circle instead of a word. That way the location on the map is small and obvious. 40k used these style of icons for FOC to pretend to be a military thing, not because there's any usability advantage for army-building (there's none whatsoever, it's slower by default)
>>97087023All primarchs aren't Rogal Dorn, anon
I wish there was Siege Cataphractii, and that Siege Termies could take power fists at east, not necessarily chainfists only. Still wouldn't use them, but it'd be nice :^)
>>97087594 I wish Chainfists did 3 damage.It wouldn't make up for the -1 Attack, but at least it'd be something.
>>97087618Yeah. On a 2A base Termie, a chainfist is only better against a vehicle with rear AV12. If it is rear AV11 or 10, a power fist is still better than a chainfist simply because -1A is that steep a detriment. Even against a T7 enemy you'd need to have 4A base for the chainfist to be the better weapon. Against a T5 enemy, you'd need like 8A (can WE reach that?)Chainfists are worse than power fists against every possible target except heavy vehicles. Not just any vehicle, exclusively heavy ones.
>>97087716The problem is you're under the retarded notion you need specialist anti-tank weaponry to slay AV10 vehicles. Every vehicle soft enough that powerfists are fine is so soft that thunderhammers are what the unit should be packing instead. And against AV13-14, powerfists do essentially nothing at all while chainfists are deadly.There's simply no reason to ever choose powerfists in 3rd edition unless they're forced on you like mandatory on certain terminators. Bringing 75-80% thunderhammer and 20-25% chainfist does more damage to hard targets and equal guaranteed-kill on soft tanks.
>>97087809Now chainfists truly are specialist weapons. Prices are wrong, though: chainfists are equal to TH unless you already have a TH/PF, in which case it's further +5 pts.I'm glad power fists...are even less relevant now? How am I supposed to react to their obsolescence? I'm yet to math them against Saturnines, but hammers are faster anyways
>>97087561Icons were great for presenting stuff easily at-a-glance...when there were five of them and everyone know what each meant with a glance. Now you're quinting at any of a dozen slightly different outlines of a Marine and trying to figure out if that's a sword or a gun and then remember which each means and it's fucking retarded. Then again, so is the whole army construction system for 3.0, so it's on-theme at least.
>>97086769The Lathe pattern jump pack is archaeotech and looks identical to the mk7, so it's fine :)
>>97086578Do those printed side sponsons fit on the proteus?
>>97086398model-wise what are we looking at?
>>97087588The new icons look like ass. Like who looked at the high command icons and said yeah this looks good and distinct
>>97086171fuck you for making me think this was a bionicles thread
>>97088041
>>97087879The elephant in the room is that Thunder Hammers are just way too optimal now that there's very little reason to take ANYTHING else. Not just PFists/ChainFists. But power-weapons in general. And they're incredibly spammable unlike Chainfists.Personally, I'd nerf the damn things down to D1 and then give them Critical 5+ or 6+. So they're still AP2, still strong enough to wound a Terminator of a 2+ but you don't instantly kill one all the time, only a third of the time. Whereas the Powerfist will more reliably rock-em-sockem someones head off.
>>97086523>In my life I was a heavy support legionnaire>And now after my grimy death, after my entombment in this mighty suit of armor, after the recognition of my commanders and my peers...>I have been granted a second plasma cannon
Breachers previewed on warcom today for sure
>>97088078Unsure, for I already pretend S7 i2 are actually power fists, and the stronger slower S8 i1 weapons are the harder-hitting hammers, borne only by a few in the squad, meant to hit hard big stuff after their brothers' opening attacks.At stuff like Dreads and Automata, no? And maybe Saturnines...?
>>97086171I'm interested to see how many of you lean into the more "historic wargamey" aspects of HH.So a crestion for you all, when making /yourdudes/ did you make them as an actual company of marines or did you go buck wild?To further clarify did you go in with a story in mind or did you make it as you went?
>>97088214I did both. My Alphas are lost in the sauce and no longer sure if they're loyalists pretending to be traitors or just traitors. My militia are opportunists. My Thousand Sons are technically opportunists but have been hanging around my Word Bearers too much and so lean toward traitor.
>>97088240Awww I don't like that schizo "am I loyal or traitor" angle :(I wish to pretend Alphas are loyal indeed, but see to the wellbeing of mankind over the Imperium, which wouldn't necessarily be the same.That the goal of eternal war is better than any one side winning or losing for good, so they do what they do with (and against) both factions
>>97088214All my marines are envisioned as part of a company, but they've obviously got stuff not actually part of the company because despite having over 100 marines in both forces I don't have say 90 tacticals or despoilers to every other unit in the army
So, empty Rhinos are now a thing huh? Seeing how they no longer need a squad to be fielded
>>97088394>3 Damocles Command Rhinos>3x4 Predators>4 RhinosYeah, I'm thinking it's based
watching the US webstores. Lowest non-scamazon 254, entire weekend it sold 2 of the 20 copies. HH3 community is so dead.
>>97088491Ok but who asked? -100 izzat to you.
>>97088491...didn't you literally say saturnine would be half off by black Friday and THAT would be the sign HH was dead?
>>97086280>actual mechanical issue>actual mechanical issue>graphic design issueanons, we've confirmed it. 3.0 is the greatest edition!
Legion Imperialis bros, its your time.
>>97086512A praetor
>>97086428historically speaking, that is correct, there has never been a time in the entirety of human history where giant swords were effective.Short swords? Yes. Spears? Yes. Halberds? Yes. Pikes? Yes. Bows? Yes. Guns? Yes. Giant swords? Literally always inferior to halberds, spears and pikes for long range work and worse than all other melee weapons for close range work.
>>97086171>TQ>3.0It's too different to 2.0>2.0It's too different to 1.0>1.0It lacks some of 2.0 quality of life changes.
>>97086950>it's impossible for a veteran to get a new suit of armor for any reason or for mass-produced legionaries to get assigned out of date gearanon, love the world you're building here. lets hook you up with the writing team and see if we can get some of this canonized
>>97088558>Legion Imperialis bros, its your time.>article opens up with huge Necromunda waveBow to your new godhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iR-K2rUP86M
>>97088569Which is why humanity only made them once and never again as the origjnal inventor was made fun of so much literally nobody ever even looked a a giant sword again and they were all tossed in the river and were completely forgotten and never separately reinvented
One of my shops currently sells the Saturnine box for 150 euros. I don't really need it, but should I just CONSOOM it anyway?
>>97088682No.
>>97088556Detailing all the mechanical issues with 3.0 requires an essay-length blog anon, of course he picked one of the several trivial annoyances instead.
>>97086171>1.0I didn't get to play it>2.0I didn't get a chance to play it when it was fresh>3.0I don't like how scoring works. It's okay for me since Blackshields get to screw with it, but regular scoring is boring.
>>97088569>>97088646;__;It's so sad that we can only theorize what zweihanders were for. Using a sword to push halberds aside seems niche already, and swinging a sword that size around just cannot be done during formation fighting, so what was it? It's all speculation
>>97088853Don't be stupid, Anon, humanity never made two handed swords. Ever.
I had an event this week end, loyalists won 720 to 698 (something like that). Over 30 people and some of the best boards i've seen. It was a blast. Also fighting mechanicus is an incredibly anti-fun experience
>>97088127>Don't forget the spotlight brother!
>>97086171Seen a lot of talk about militia being good this ed. Starting it myself. What strategies and units work well. Personally want to run a lot of infantry through the bs +1 and save +1 provenances so what units work best for that
>>97089127Frankly if it's for running +1 bs and +1 save you may as well run solar auxilia
>>97089127I've been thinking of running my 120 tech thralls (40 left to paint) as militia with augmented levy and arms of the omnissiah buying 4 medusas and a box of skitarii to run as heavy ordnance and a command squad, running 3 of my trios as militia ones with lightning cannons (to tone them down) and the other 3 krios venators and a karacnos in an allied mechanicum detachment that also includes a gaggle of archimandrite tech priests to use for leadership and an archimandrite magos with myrmidon destructor bodyguard
>>97089127Artillery spam seems pretty good. Blasts are pretty accurate now, and the ability to just force lots of status checks is good for denying enemy scoring.
>>97089002That is indeed very pretty, big fan of the colour scheme on that dreadnought and the power mauls up front.What's so bad about the robots? I haven't played against them yet and my own Mechanicum from 1e are still in a box somewhere.
>>97089669They are basically immuned to status while being able to shower you under them (including fixed 3 on a 5" pie plate).They also have extremely strong combos and bonuses and most of their robots have very high thoughness. Even urtarax with prime advantage have like strenght/toughness 6 with 3 w and save 3+ and tons of ap 3 attacks, for 160 for 6.Basically your small arms are useless, while the robots constantly heal/regen and grind you out.
what's the average points total for a standard game of LI?
>>97089734The dudes at my local do 2k
>>97089726Oh right, any Tech priest can repair Ursa and Thallax now, right?
>>97089821Exactly. Fighting mechanicus is frankly boring.
>>97089846Nah, it's valid. Let them. Thralls may be endless, but surely they can still be Panic'd by big flame, and the Combat Res from their greater numbers be matched by a vexilla or something?
>>97088491my lgs sold it for 200 lol
>>97089821Only laecrymata, standard priests can only repair vehicles, walkers, and Automata, laecrymata can repair infantry as well
>>97089726Ursas are T5, but they are very efficient power armour blenders for the cost, I agree. I hadn't really registered how good at shrugging off statuses the regular thallax-type heavy infantry were, I saw the reasonably poor Ld and did not inquire further. I have seen the Cybernetica proper go down hard to normal lascannons, at least.>>97089821Only Lacrymaerta priests, they're still Infantry, but if you have 3W Ursarax who might be worth repairing then you definitely have Lacry priests, and those can repair themselves as well because techpriests are also infantry.I haven't been able to test it yet but I have a feeling that Magi are damn near impossible to snipe with their saves, if they don't die they can just fix themselves back up to full. Same for Scoria despite the fact he's an Archimandrite because he's a Walker, and he has 9 EW1 4++ 5+++ wounds and can fix 4 of them per round.>>97089846Boringness aside, those are some quite pretty Arlatax. Nice work on the arc lashes whoever painted those.
>>97089963You can upgrade their strenght and toughness with different prime advantages and buffs
>>97088214I made up my own companies following the generic infantry company from the black books but I really wished FW gave us more numbers on the support things.
>>97088394>>97088481Thinking too small>IH for the forbidden science>each damocles rhino and regular rhino has a combi-bolter, havoc launcher, h/k missile>4 kratos, half melta and half volkite, with all volkite small guns>8 predators, 2 conversion beamers, 3 volkite, 3 grav>logistical benefit for a land raider achilles
>>97088394>so you've finally decided to minmax your Rhinos at 3000 points>multimelta, combi-bolter and HKM all around takes each Rhino to 100 points>400 points in the Primary Detachment>each Armoured Fist Auxiliary Detachment gets you 4 more Rhinos for another 400 points>Centurions enable you to take 2 AFAD each>for 3 Centurions you can include 27 Rhinos and still have 60 points left to spent on something nice for your girlfriend>keep you opponent guessing which Rhino has your three dudes inside all game, then rush out and bop him with them at the last minute
>>97090190Bligh spins in his grave if he ever finds out what had become of his great legacy.
>>97088556It is a very obnoxious thing that you run into before even playing the fucking game. Things like that can turn people off from trying the game at all - just like the weird legalese wording of the 3.0 rules do. You may think it's a small issue, but it might actually be more impactful than units being too strong or weak. Also, just because it's anon's one biggest issue doesn't mean it is the only issue.
>>97090320>+1" inch to sweeping advance distance>When sweeping advance is a roll-off>This never got FAQ'd by the wayThe man certainly had a bit of passion for HH, but lets not pretend he was the messiah of games design.
>>97090190>>keep you opponent guessing which Rhino has your three dudes inside all gameThats... not how transports work.
>Ligma got plastic glaive superheavy tanks before HH did
>>97090396
>>97090396>Never seen a single person buy Ligma>Never seen a single person play Ligma>Never talked to a single person who says they play or want to play Ligma>Is better supported than the actual Horus Heresy.
How easy is it to swap the plastic fellblade for a glaive? Does the demolisher cannon just lift out or do you have to glue it in place?
Is there a good place to get single parts of Forgeworld models? Specifically, I'm after the shin plate from a Chaos Warhound. Failing that, a shin plate from a regular Warhound.Does anybody have an idea of a place that would sell me just that piece?
>>97090335Anon, I have not needed to look at those symbols a single time after launch day, except for for my own amusement.The images they chose to use for unit roles have as much impact as the colour plates they print
anyone already has the ashes of the imperium novel ?
I want to make some Techno Barbarians to use in Unification Wars battles, what base kits would anon(s) start with? I was initially thinking Goliath gangers and Ork bits or also Cawdor gangers and AdMech bits. Any other kits or non-GW ranges I should look at?
>>97090870>I have not needed to look at those symbols a single time after launch dayThat's because you don't play the game and have no models. Kinda proving the point.
>>97090361it's how shell games workyou have 27 Rhinos, how the fuck is he going to remember what your dudes standing on the side are doingis he going to demand you make them Rhino surf like some kind of COWARD? nohe will wait and see
>>97091150>is he going to demand you make them Rhino surf like some kind of COWARD?No, hes going to say "hey (anon), which rhino did you have dudes in again?"And then youre going to tell him, because thats how that works. playing with "mystery transports" could be funny for a mission though, you would just need to have them all clearly marked and have the contents written down somewhere beforehand.hell, you could do something similar to this concept. A mass of armored transports is trying to break through enemy lines while carrying a VIP, the enemy (superior in firepower) is trying to stop them.
>>97091171Something like:The defenders get a collumn deployment zone from the middle of the short edge of the board. They field a fully mechanized army, with a lot of transports carrying various units, and maybe some heavier transports like land raiders or even a spartan. Maybe allow them some light tanks like sabres and predators too, for the lulz. They have a VIP, the VIP must reach the exfil zone on the other short table edge, and then move off the table there. If he does, they win/get a massive amount of VP. the VIP's transport can also do the same (for the same effect). If the VIP remains alive, but does not make it off the table edge, no VP is scored (or the enemy scores a limited amount of VP). If the VIP dies then the enemy wins/scores a lot. The enemy (attacker) deployes enveloping the armored column, and should have a superior force to the opponent (or at least some sort of advantage that means the defender isnt encouraged to just stand, fight, and then win straight up. It should feel like a dash through enemy fire. They get to go first automatically and their mission is to kill the VIP.The catch: Unlike a normal game, the attacker does not know the contents of any transports. Do they waste their AT cracking open every rhino? or do they focus on the land raider, or is the land raider too obvious? Is the lone transport making a break for it a distraction? The VIP should be a consul imo, something like a master of signals or something in terms of stats, a logistical commander crucial for the war effort, but not a monster thats just going to bulldoze his way through the enemy. No "try and kill my eternal warrior terminator praetor" stuff.
>/hhg/"Tarvitz is so based, he doesn't care about glory, he just cares about doing a good job!">Galaxy in Flames"Fulgrim-sama! Eidolon-senpai! Can I pwease get a promotion~?"Anyone else get duped by /hhg/'s headcanon?
>>97091308I dislike tarvitz on principle. All "loyalist traitors" are faggots, no exceptions.
>>97091142I have played 2 3000pt games a week since the week before the official launch.I simply took a moment to look through the army lists for exceptions to my intuition (it's obvious that dreadnoughts are war enginers, terminators are shock assault. land raider explorators and tarantulas being in recon are odd ones, so I memorized those). et voila, anon, I never need to think about those symbols again!
>>97090852For ligma? Its not even up for orders yet and there's no plastic 30k version so Know one knows.
>>97089878That's what I got it for on launch day. Traded everything but the turret for more mk 2 bodies.
>>97091351So you are just a slave to authority no matter what and you have no free will, got it boot licker.
I want to give my assault veterans power axes but I'm out of power axes
>TQ1e:>Pointless Infantry>The Psychic Phase (unless you played Thousand Sons)>Long time between books>Deeply unbalanced>Custodes are OP2e:>Dreadnoughts are so OP the community had to put its own limits on them>Infantry are so useless a viable army list has to take as few troops and HQs as possible>You cannot win unless you play Marines>Solar Auxilia does not get reactions>Custodes are OP>Not 1e3e:>So many characters it's basically for people who think Kill Team is for poor people>Army construction is garbage>Why only 4 rounds?>Beginning of edition churn other GW games suffer from>New models suck for the price (both $$$$ and points)>Daemons lost a lot of their customization and suck overall>Legends. By the Dork Gods, that Legends scandal...>Custodes are OP>Not 2e
>>97092038ONE biggest gripe. ONE biggest gripe.
>>97092047Fine, you whiner.>1e: The psychic phase was so in favor of Thousand Sons (and to a lesser extent, Daemons and Word Bearers)>2e: the dreadnoughts.>3e: the beginning of GW's edition churn
>>97090396>psychic phase >as if anyone interacted with it outside of thousand sons or daemons (who no one decent played)>infantry are useless >literally the most busted tacticals have ever been>2e custodes are OP>literally only a single unit isn't overcosted as fuck>so many characters >maximum 4-6, when you almost never actually need more than 2-3>3e custodes are OP >literally impossible for them to win a game >
bait used to be believable
>>97086171TQ:1st ed: AP3 large blasts2nd ed: Dreadnought spam3rd ed: Terrain rules
>>97092080So you were fine with all the AP 2 large blasts?
>>97092020Print some or buy third party, you're not a GW cuck are you?
>TQ1e - how infantry were near useless except to score with2e - the WS chart change3e - VP "overhaul"
>>97086171>TQ1e - the latter Anuj days2e - armies that weren't marines or custodes having dogshit rules3e - armybuilding is bad and sad
>>97092038Anon aren't custodes all venguard and litteraly lose to math, if their opponent knows math and uses reaction?
when do we think they're going to announce the females custodians? They have to drop that on a monday article or something, no way they want to do a big reveal show around it to make it controversial.
>>970861711st-no gripe never played it.2ed-outriders in resin, golden kehig in resin. land sp... resin, resin was my 2ed problem.3ed-ALL mounted units rules.
>>97092457year two of 3ed edition. probably mirroring the release of new codex of custodes for 11th ed w40k.
>>97092457With the upcoming talons liber and plastic femstodes models that will be released alongside it of course.
>>97092457>>97092480any minute now
>>97092463If not being able to score really made units completely useless, nobody would be bothering with vehicles either anon. Just saying. Cavalry can even lock enemy units in close combat and deny them the ability to score that way. It's impressive in a weird way that you can't figure out how to use mounted units LMFAO.
>>97092457It's probably just going to be a bare head or two on the sprue. A lazy addition befitting a lazy retcon.
>>97092504Didn't 40k space marines already get female heads in an upgrade sprue or something? Vaguely remember hearing some talking about it.
>>97092514Yeah bro that definitely happened
>>97092514I know what you mean but I'm not sure if it's just meant to be a guy just looks really shitty, not that everyone expects Space Marines to look handsome but just Citadel being Citadel.https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/rcgz9jbn/customise-your-space-marines-with-a-set-of-fifty-new-heads-and-helmets/
>>97090719>>97090396Yes? This is normal? Plastic Auxilia was done this way, and everyone is expecting the Dark Mech spiderwalkers at any point now.We get tiny versions of the vehicle first, then we get the big versions.If I'm mad about anything, it's them killing off Aeronautica before doing the Chaos flyers for this.
>>97092502Anon. It is everything scoring, LoS, point costs, the weapons their have . Each unit gets a weapon profile. somehow jetbikers heavy weapon require the jetbikes to not move. high points, low resilient units have to not move. 3 MM jetbikes or predator? 3 Volkite jetbikes or a dakka predator? The Kyzgan with the rules and weapon load outs it has. makes no sense to exist. golden keshig the litteral venguard mounted WS unit, doesn't have venguard. Regular Javelins are better then the Kyzgan, but they are still horrible, no one uses them. The only good mounted unit is protor command squad of outriders. Shoty, as killy as you want. But it costs more then Justarian brick, and can't enter terrain. But sure lets say I am stupid and can't figure it out. Not hard to imagine. Lets see any of the events results from events since edition dropped. How well do full mounted armies function and how many videos/guides are there about "how to play mounted WS armies in 3ed". Oh right there are no mounted units in events, there are no guides. And in the WS guides that do exist, you told to stay away from most WS specific units and especialy all speeders and jetbikes. Everyone in the world is just retarded.
>>97092531A Shaolin ultramarine monk ? Wasn't China destroyed in the w40k setting?
>>97092572You're in the horus heresy thread and you're wondering about chinese space marines?
>>97092572You never know if Jack Spicer got reincarnated as a Word Bearer or some shit
>>97092602well yes. My terran born DG company were all recurits from Albion. And my terran born WS all come from the technowastes of Siberia. I am very interested in it specificaly because this is a crusade/heresy/scouring setting.
>>97092453They're not even particularly hard to kill, since unlike in 40k they have 6++ or 5++ invulns as standard rather than army-wide 4++ with FNPs on top. They're stubborn, since the whole army ignores anti-light firepower, but they really don't like C-beamers, Krios guns or even the shitty 85pt militia mortars because those have D3.
>>97092123>>970920801.0 was played among friends, who liked their opponent to have a nice match. 1.0 grogs did not abuse AP2/3 pieplate spam, at all. The sole purpose of playing the game was having a good time with your intractely crafted doods, and to make sure your friend at the other side of the table did so as well.It was less game-y and competitive than modern GW games and newer editions.
>>97092284The moment Anuj took a deep pajeeti shit upon the game, in favour of competitive players, the downfall began.Because some tourney grogs at WHW used the superheavy Malcador as a riding StrD kamikaze bomb, rushing it to enemy lines, it got demoted to regular tank who couldn't even fire all its guns now, RAW.This was an idiotic decision, changing a vehicle so dramatically because some nerds abused it so. It was a sign of things to come.Andy Hoare focusing on then AT and Necromunda instead of Heresy, and French stepping down in favour of writing novels again. It was the death sentence of 1.0, and logically, James came in, took over the game and shuttered Forge World for good.
>>97092565You only keep exposing how much you don't understand even the basic the rules, top kek.
>>97092565>3 MM jetbikes or predator?Those 3 MM jetbikes have a good chance to get in melta range of a target, the predator does not. One is more durable, the other is faster and has a higher damage potential. Bikes can also deep strike, which when you have melta? Thats a big deal, a predator isnt dropping down to shoot melta-distance at someones rear armor. >The Kyzgan with the rules and weapon load outs it has. makes no sense to existIts an infantry killer same as last ed. >How well do full mounted armies functionBadly, in the same way that an army of nothing but vehicles will do badly. "I cant take only bikes and thats bad" is a retarded argument. Cavalry is good and has its proper uses.
What I have:AngronKharnCataphractii praetor from the old starterCataphractii Libby summoning a bloodthirsterAxe and Sword PraetorsAxe Praetor sans axe(probably to be converted to a vigilator)x3 JP Centurions, one with clawsEvander Garrius with a WE headSpartan2x 40k Rhinos10x 40k zerkers converted to heresy(different packs, removed iconography)And I just bought the mk2 half of the Saturnine. How should I assemble the 40 marines? 2x10 tacticals with bolters?
>>97092946>How should I assemble the 40 marines? 2x10 tacticals with bolters?4x10 tacticals with bolters.
>>97092951Yeah, I was expecting that. Thanks. I wonder if I should have a go at the zerkers with a hobby knife and put caedere weapons on them. Maybe magnetize between the current axe+pistol and caedere?
>>97092958Use the berserkers as inductii, the WB ones seem pretty fun. Free chain axes, t5 on the charge.
>>97093010Don't I need the apothecary for them? I could build that mk2 praetor as one, I guess, but I wasn't planning on running the nails version yet. Not at least until I get more elite models like butchers and maybe some assault dudes.
Will (You) be purchasing and playing the "Dead Nigger Storage" story arc GW is kindly providing us?
>>97093026>Don't I need the apothecary for them?You dont need one, but the apothecaries are very good.
>>97093043I want to like it but absolutely nobody plays it in my county. Why GW thought that making a niche game (epic) of a niche game (Horus heresy) instead of milking the 40k kids I don’t know It exists solely for influencers to speculate on what’s coming next for horus heresy from imperialis releases
>>97093273It being HH instead of 40gay, being 2-3 months late, and costing as much as a 28mm 40k army killed the game before it ever had a shot.It must be like Necromunda where there is some random exec that loves the game so they keep pumping models out for it for his amusement. There is no way they are making any money from ligma.
>>97093341I dunno, it could be that ligma does have a relatively high return for how little effort they invest into it.
>>97093341Not to mention the fucking awful assembly. Why did GW make epic miniatures with the same number of components as their 28mm counterparts? I wouldn’t be shocked if they just shrank the parts God forbid the new saturnine are even worse to assemble as they are in HH
>>97093352Even if there was no development cost they still have to put an injection machine out of commission for hours to swap ligma plates and churn out shit no one buys while things people do actually buy go out of stock.
>>97093385Tbf on the sales side they don’t even have to sell it to a consumer, retailers just have to buy it
>>97093043I had been waiting for it for a long time but I really despise the redesign so no. I might get some proonts.
>>97093385Their best selling product isn't even plastic. Holy shit autistic retards keep buying 3 fingernails for 60.
>>97093098Turns out I have an apothecary in resin. Sweet, thanks for the advice
>>97092742>Because some tourney grogs at WHW used the superheavy Malcador as a riding StrD kamikaze bomb, rushing it to enemy lines, it got demoted to regular tank who couldn't even fire all its guns now, RAW.Aww I so miss it being a superheavy that size>This was an idiotic decision, changing a vehicle so dramatically because some nerds abused it soI thought that's how it was meant to be used. Str D ramming, right? Now ramming and tank shock has been burned to the ground. But vehicles are said to be unstoppable and unkillable now, so I guess it had to be done? Invincible vehicles is what anons asked for, after all
>>97093755He's talking about the str D explosion when it dies, not the ram.
>>97088556You hit knights on rear armor in melee, so yes.
>>97093778Dang that's strong
>>97087072Working on the medic. Mom helped me mix some paints. White is really tough to paint. Much harder then black. Especialy with how runny all white paints are.
>>97093908Where are your pants?
>>97093925In my moms paint room, in a metal box that had chocolate plums.
>>97092730Luckily my gaming group that started playing in 2.0 and didn't moved to 3.0 is the same. Sime friends that wants wonderul thematic armies and terrains. No spam of any kind, rule of cool is the primary and most important rule.
>>97093997Positive and friends pilled. The right way to do any hobby.
>>97086171The big issue for 3.0 is how pointless the list building changes were for Astartes, but then made it utter ass for Mechanicum
Played some AT this weekend.The first of the Siege of Kado narrative missions. It was the best AT game I have ever played, literally down to a few failed Machine Spirit tests on the last turn.
>>97093908Obese
>>97093962Your PANTS are in a PAINTS container?
>>97090859alex wargames and egg head miniatures, but neither have titan parts. try messaging alex via "leave a message", it might work.
>>97086811Blessed with the Truth in side the armor.Unrelated but I am head cannoning that all of the new Saturnine armor requires massive modification to near dreadnought state to the marine to operate the armor.>The proportions are not work able in any reasonable way Besides being expensive to make most Marines would not modify there bodies to such an extreme for some rare tech. No one talks to or even tries to interact with them as they are so far twisted from the human form.
>>97094381
What do you guys use for scouts? Just the regular 40k ones? I heard they might be too big. And are there any conversions you would need to do to make them HH appropriate?
>>97092038>>Legends. By the Dork Gods, that Legends scandal...I'm barely active in 30k since 3rd dropped. what did I miss?
>>97092038>custodes are OPHow? Theyre "skew", and will eat a list designed for general play alive, but they fold the second you make a list designed to beat them.
>3.0
>>97092038
>>97086811Wait I missed this. Darn I wish I was good enough to do that kind of vent glow when I get to my saturnine
>>97091171you've got three dudes and he's already won on VP the moment you set up, why wouldn't he play shell game?
>>97094453It's either about the tartaros terminators, all the characters, the legends being almost as big as the liber, or all the mistakes.
Has the Liber Strategia been shared already?
>>97086811>IH looted and redeployed phraetus anointed armor>can't use it on TTOlder editions would have allowed it.
>>97092038>Infantry are so useless a viable army list has to take as few troops and HQs as possibleThat's not true, you needed troops to score with Line and Marine lists that gave anything else Line that didn't typically have it were rare including RoW.
>>97092565>jetbikers heavy weapon require the jetbikes to not move.they still hit on 5+ even if they do move anon(that's 1/3)(it's to make you think about how you want to use the weapons rather than spam relentless multimeltas because meta)
>>97094453Pretty much the whole edition leaked a few weeks before preorders and LOADS of shit was missing. Shills began a desperate campaign of goalpost shifting>well okay it's not in this leak, but we haven't seen the full Liber yet!>okay it's not in the parts of the Liber that would logically contain them that we have now seen, but maybe they changed how the Libers are laid out!>okay so we not have complete Liber leaks and loads of stuff has been taken away, but obviously the Legends release they mentioned will fix it all!>umm right so the Legends release has been delayed from the date they said it would be released, but that doesn't mean anything at all and they clearly aren't just scrambling to add stuff at the last minute because of the massive backlash against their attempt to 40K-ify the game that's been so bad online sellers are doing Black Friday-tier firesales before the preorder period is even finished...and then guess what, the late Legends docs when they did show up were clearly the result of a last-minute rush to cram a bunch of stuff back in after they saw that actually 30K players aren't quite the same breed of supine slop-guzzling paypig as 40K players are.
>>97094773Wait, are you saying a 2.0 hater would just...lie? No, no I can't believe it, they're usually such sane and reserved people who's only complaints are reasonable and measured, and certainly not just dimwits who hate the minute additional level of tactical thinking required by Reactions...
>>97094865Oh I forgot to mention the part where the main leaker guy explicitly said "Legends has been gutted, it won't fix this" and the shills all decried him as a liar and a fraud, then he was proved right about absolutely everything but the shills still insist GW always intended to release a gigantic Legends PDF riddled with obvious errors caused by last minute panic-rewrites of the 2.0 unit entries.
>>97094865>but obviously the Legends release they mentioned will fix it all!And it then subsequently did that. Units got their options back, missing weapons were added, missing units were added.
>>97094858Anon... Models no longer have to shoot snap shots when firing heavy weapons after moving. Have you like, read the current rules at all? Are you really this retarded?
>>97094893>>97095067It did get all missing stuff at the end, right? At the very, VERY end. Though I don't like the current state of IW, and Deredeo pavises and Siege Tartaros power fists are still missing, I guess. Idk what else is.
>>97094773It's amazing because 2.0 had a like 50/50 split on whether Line was the most important thing in the world and legions that didn't get their super special unit Line in a RoW were useless OR if Line was a fucking pointless special rule that only mattered in 1/3rd of the official missions.For what it's worth the only games where Line ever mattered in my experience of all of 2.0 was custom missions where TOs were buttmad that Line was fucking pointless or ZM
>>97095119>It did get all missing stuff at the end, right?Basically, yea. The only thing that didnt come back really was consul weapons choices.
>>97094865Remember the rumour that the Legends pdf went from 7 pages to 207 pages long?
>>97095119>>97095131Nullificators are gone, so is the Nullificator Primus consul.
>>97095131Really do fuck paragon blades. I just don't trust them over the good old NuTH>Can take a combi-melta but not a hammer because the model is sold as-is like thatOut with that shit lmao. Hear me out: after Fixed Wargear comes Schizo Wargear (like in 40k 9E), then No Wargear like in 10E, where the few "options" there are are all "free" (already subsumed in the model's cost)>>97095204Eh. Disintegrators are ass for the sake of spammability (nobody asked for this). Even if Nullificators returned, they would be armed with a bunch of useless S4 AP3 D2 guns, and wielding S+2 AP3 deflagrate mauls, making them completely useless against even regular terminators.
>>97095204>Nullificators are goneOh yea, thats true. Also a lot of special characters. Although we did also get some new units (breacher vets, vet HSS, siege terminators)
>>97095259>they would be armed with a bunch of useless S4 AP3 D2 guns,Give them twin disintegrator rifles (S5 Ap2 D2 2 shots). Simple.
>>97095279Breaking Vets O.O up into different units was a good decision. I do say Siege Termies are incomplete thoughThey also seem like a trap option with 2A but only access to chainfists, Reaper sidegrade turned them anti heavy infantry only, and is plasma blasters...yikes. At least they look cool in one pose.The only legion who could possibly want them is the Death Guard (walking Reaper ACs), but they already have better Grave Warden 3A Cataphractii, and Terminator Heavy Flamers cannot be turned into Alchem Heavy Flamers because reasons
>>97095292I'd just restrict regular disintegrators to Destroyers and Vets (Vet Tacs & Vet HSS but not Retinue squads) and make them full S4 AP2 D2. That ought to be scarce enough
>>97095339How are siege termies a trap option when they are the same points cost with added option of taking heavy weapons.Plasma Blasters + Power Axes will slap imo - don't try to run them as HSS & just charge and volley fire
>>97086950I love that you wrote all of that but didn't bother to mention that the scale changed and the parts arent readily interoperable.
>>97095364Make them like that, but squads can only be equipped with them if you have a certain consul
>>97095259Everyone misses nullificators for the disintegrators. Everyone forgets they started with Toxiferan flamers for anti-psyker/daemon templates.
>>97094865The 2.0 legacies weren't """rushed""" and they had the entire edition to fix them, yet still the units were unbalanced as fuck. Meanwhile basically all units in the 3.0 legacies are at least viable if not actually quite decent, yet those were supposedly cranked out within a week? Give me a break, your stupid conspiracy is factually impossible. No one at GW is even remotely competent enough for your stupid headcanon to be true. Not to mention that everything was announced at the reveal, weeks before the leaks shitstorm and psy-op trolling happened.
>>97095259No one, and I mean absolutely no one, ever took nullificators to fight other terminators you fucking idiot. People took them for the AP 3 deflagrate power mauls to evaporate MEQ hordes with.>>97095416There's this weird mentality around terminators that they MUST always fight other terminators and be able to kill them effectively. Still not sure why this is a thing, I mean no one has ever said that deredeo with plasma are bad because those can't kill enemy deredeo or something.
>>97094450>What do you guys use for scouts?I don't. Scouts are lame. Always have been.
>>97094450The old 40k scout models. The new 40k scouts have too many pr*maris marine design elements, and are the wrong scale (taller than heresy marines)
>>97095490>No one, and I mean absolutely no one, ever took nullificators.FTFY.Except for that one dude here.
>>97095507truth. The entire concept of space marine scouts is the worst part of 40k lore. A squad of independant scouting, espionnage, recon intelligence, stealth sniper/counter-sniper and trap-laying with advanced warfare in difficult terrain while staying hidden is a considerably more advanced elites level activity - while basic soldier grunts in tactical squads is basic beginner activity.The no-military-experience brits who wrote editions 20 years ago were simply like "well, 4+ armor save instead of 3+, that must mean they're just beginner discount marines" but it's entirely illogical.The beginner space marines at 17 years old would do basic fully power-armored garrison duty in safer battle sectors, slowly getting weened into more and more dangerous regions as needed and it'd be those 40+ year old experienced marines who would advance out of basic soldiery after having already dealt with weird terrain on 100+ battlefields and learned advanced coms, stealth, strategy and independant sub-command and advanced long range ballistics with heavier weaponry.Obviously there are other veterancy routes (shieldwall vets, jetpack vets, lascannon vets) not merely becoming a stealth sniper, but none of those routes would be given to 17 year old children like in BL trash.
>>97095598HH scouts aren't recruits though, they're specialists. It's recon marines wearing carapace armour rather than power armour. But it's understandable a 40k tourist like you would get that wrong.
>>97095615>says "40k scouts in 40k lore">retard thinks he's talking about "30k recon marines"Does your mom smile when she helps you put your pants on in the morning and ties your shoes for you?
>>97095650Ah yes, because HH has absolutely nothing to do with 40k lore whatsoever, and anon surely is just going wildly off-topic in a 30k thread.
>>97094381I have my pants on me. Sorry I thought you asked where my paints are.
>>97095339>They also seem like a trap option with 2A but only access to chainfistsTheyre not meant to be good in melee. With how much firepower they pack them being locked to power weapons is a mercy. You dont want power fist/thunder hammer + autocannon squads.
>>97095935Their "big firepower" is all anti infantry, and regular terminators, all armed with powered blades, are melee units by necessity.We were simply talking about chainfists yesterday and anon mentioned they were more like specialist weapons a couple soldiers in the squad would have while the rest wielded TH. But they can't get fists or hammers, only power weapons and chainfists.Power weapons would limit them to MEQ (not even VEQ), and at that point they are a vanilla Termie unit that is yet more limited despite having access to more heavy guns.Except maybe "Oops all Heavy flamers". That may be the real winner there.>You dont want power fist/thunder hammer + autocannon squads.Eeh they don't look half bad
>>97095985Siege Termies are beefed up HSS, bro. That's why they have... Vanguard 3... and yet Siege Tyrants are Support 1 like actual HSS...hmm
>>97096015>55 pts for one S9 krak missiles shotYikes
>>97095598They were supposed to be Boy Scouts cuz GW had a sense of humor once upon a time.
>>97095985>Their "big firepower" is all anti infantryIt does fine vs walkers too. But this is also incidentally why they shouldnt have access to the good melee weapons, because they already have guns designed against the typical users of those weapons. >all armed with powered blades, are melee units by necessity.Not at all. They are - at best - hybrid units. Siege terminators as "simply" a very durable shooting unit (with vanguard built in) is already a valuable thing to have. >Power weapons would limit them to MEQ (not even VEQ)Their guns shred VEQ. The melee vulnerability vs melee elites is intentional. >picYea, varangyr were (are) a cancerous design.
>>97095985>and regular terminators, all armed with powered blades, are melee units by necessity.Thanatars have their big graviton rams, that doesent make them melee units.
>>97086280What are you smoking anon, 1.0 combi vets were one of the best units in the game
>>97094453GW got caught with their pants down and basically via leaks everyone found out that a lot of units got cut, a lot of optiosn got removed, and a lot of HQs just went fucking missing. Then GW panic dropped a legends PDF which had MORE FUCKING ENTRIES THEN THE ACTUAL LIBER BOOK, to try and save face but still left their fucks ups all over it with a lot of units not even able to take optiosn they used to be able to, or fucked up rules that dont even make sense or work For example, mounted pretorian guard units dont have SGT key word so they cant even use some of the prime abilities.
>>97095119It got like 98% of it, there are only minor things missing that dont really have any reason to be missing, example being moritats cant take melee weapons anymore for reasons.
>>97095339>Siege terminators seem like trapsNah they are regularly top performers in my lists, 5 kitted with all autocanons can bully the shit outta MEQ and Vet units that have a 3+ save. A unit of 5 of them, which you are never going to move, get 15 shots, so its pretty decent, i always have them make points back being just an annoying fucking uint to try and kill. Because you cant ignore them, but it also feels bad dumping firepower into them. If i could describe them in an abstract way. Siege terminators are like a rock stuck in your shoe, its just annoying as fuck, and it makes you stop to deal with it.
>>97096318>Moritats can't take melee weapons>Armistos can, but can't change their pistol
>>97096378yeah its little shit like this which annoys me because a unit I loved to run was a moritat with out a jump pack, armed with plasma pistols and a Great sword and that way i could use my Cypher model as my moritat. Oh another thing they did was they fucked up bitter duty AGAIN. HQs with bitter duty can ONLY join Bitter duty units rather then being able to join any unit. Which is frustrating but oh well.
>>97095935it's just GW being shit at writing profiles all over again. Siege tyrants are worthless in 3rd because they pay an absolute fortune to get a powerfist they can't use with WS4 and no attacks. They're 55 points each with a shooting profile only worth +10 points, at MOST +15 and that's a stretch. If we treat it as +15, then siege tyrants are 40 points for just WS4 termie with just the stupid pfist. That means they had to pay +10 points more than Tartaros Sieges for a melee they can't even use for anything.In sergeant list, a power weapon is +10 and a pfist is +15 points. So a terminator should only need to pay +5 pts extra to swap pweapon for a powerfist, but instead GW makes a terminator buy pfist/thammer for +10 per model instead of +5.And don't get me started on GW being so retarded they charge +10 points for one lightning claw or +10 points for +2 attack pair of lightning claws. They're so trash there's not even a way to begin to explain it.
>>97086171TQ:1.0: Pie plate parking lot simulator 2.0: Tough one here, but its a tie between 3 things, WS chart making WS5 so asininly strong, Brutal just breaking the melee flow of the game of hammers or nothing, or how wildly unbalnced legions were between one another.3.0: The beginning of the end, the enshitification of HH has begun in full force.
>>97095141That was that Winters guy mistaking the faq for the legends doc.
>>97096446also, power sword and lightning claw cost the exact same +10 points in HH3 yet Lightning Claw is just better in literally every way as it's just a power sword that stacks Rending6+Breaching6 so it wounds easier and gets twice as many AP2 attacks since every rend breaches automatically.
>>97096446Siege TERMINATOS not siege tyrants. Siege terminators are very good, vanguard 3 autocannons FUCK.
>>97096479DESU i feel like GW needs to go back to the drawing board on all their power weapons. They are kinda all over the place in design. >>97096520anon i think he is just bringing up tyrants as a similar example to them, i could be wrong but thats how i read it.
>>97096520I specifically mentioned both Siege Tyrants and Tartaros Siege Terminators. Siege terminators are 30 point swords who become 45 with a reaper autocannon. Siege tyrants cost 55 points for a shitty WS4 powerfist and tyrants shooting is WORSE than reaper autocannons and they lose vanguard 3.
>>97096528It definitely doesn't help GW has this retarded notion that everything must be +0 +5 +10 +15.A powersword at +2 points and a lightning claw at +5 points might actually be a choice. Or a pfist at +13 and a Thammer at +17 points.But GW's arbitrary retarded point thresholds make 90% of melee weapons useless on each profile as there's one correct answer and everything else are wrong answers for melee.
>>97096589>and tyrants shooting is WORSE than reaper autocannonsFor what? Tyrants have lascannons for hunting tanks, they also have a lot of firepower for taking out lighter infantry, siege tartaros have autocannons for hunting heavy infantry and dreads.>55pts vs 45ptsand a power fist is a 10pts upgrade. >ws4theyre both ws4
>>97096616Power weapons should be +5pts, special power weapons/claws at +10, fists and thammers at +15. Done.
>>97096635wrong. A power weapon is +10 over a chainsword, and a powerfist is +15. Yet if you start with a powersword, they want +10 instead of +5. GW is incapable of any sane points costs.
>>97096635Buying a powerfist costs the same for a WS4 model with 1 attack as it does for a WS5 model with 4 attacks. This is a fundamental design fuck-up of epic proportions that ruins all 30k unit designs.
>>97096774Terminator weapons are priced differently. For a terminator, a power weapon is free and a fist or hammer is (typically) 10ppm.
>>97096843Unless you start out with a Power Fist or Thunder hammer. Then they'll ask further +5 pts for a chainfist, as if they weren't equivalent in all other lists
>>97096843Cenobiums have Terran blades and an option for thunder hammers, and those definitly don't feel priced right.
>>97096790/hhg/ bitched endlessly about character pricing in the start of the last edition, fuck off
>>97097021Yeah but TGS kinda are MEH, you need like 8 of them to start being scary because they are all about volume of attacks, if you dont have volume they kinda suck.
>>97095598>muh tacticool headcanonthey're literally grimderp boy scouts dumbass
>resing piece snaps as I'm cleaning it sending my knife into my fingerFUCK OFF
>>97095598Bro your headcanon is way the fuck wrong. in 40k, scouts are new recruits who most of the time dont even have their black carapace yet which is why they are in scout armor. They do scout work to learn the ropes and do recon with a trained scout master who typically is a vet and passes down legion skills and teachings. They would not do fully power armored garrison duty.JFC stop getting your lore from fucking weshammer youtube shorts.
>>97097021terranic greatswords are arguably equivalent with thunder hammers, but probably slightly worse. So I can see the argument for them being paid OR free.
>>97097043yeah. you are right on that. No idea why GW does stuff like that. first you wait years for real models, kit bash buying multiple kits to build a unit. then buy the resin one. And then GW decides one day that unit X, Y and Z, that made the faction cool and why you picked it in the first place, should now suck for minimum of 3 years. What do they think in the HQ, that someone who started IH or IW, will see bad rules and go screw the +3k pts I already bought and painted, try to do NL or WS and start it buy rebuying all the LR, rhinos, tacticals, heroes etc.
>>97095598>power armor garrison duty>40kAnon, do you know what 40k marines are? You dont send in the space marines to hold some safe backfield objective. Space marines are the super elite, super rare, shock troops of the imperium, sent in on specific high-priority high-impact missions that best utilize their specific capabilities. Power armor is incredibly rare and valuable, as is everything else about them. Scouts are already hardened fighters, but cant yet be equipped with power armor. They instead perform duties that suit their lighter equipment (and which arent the sort of "surrounded by 2000000 dudes head on assault" assault combats that typical marines engage in, because that would kill them).
>>97095598>is a considerably more advanced elites level activityWhat you dont understand (or maybe have simply forgotten) is that basic marine troops do much more dangerous things. Your typical marine squad is dropped in behind enemy lines at the most dangerous part of the enemy forces to take out some priority target or whatever. Even tactical marines are elite shock troops, either deploying via drop pod, orbital transport or rhino to assault enemy strongpoints. They arent doing perimeter patrols back at the imperial headquarters, theyre beint sent in to assassinate warlord smashdakka or clear out a fortress.
>>97096635>Tyrants have lascannons for hunting tanksDidn't you hear? Lascannons are bad against tanks now. They say D1 Heavy (D) won't cut it. 300 pts of Tyrants will strip about 2 HP of a 220 pts Land Raider on average, as they went from 10 krak missiles and 3A on the charge per model to 5 Kraks and 2A per dude.It's nasty
>>97090878I don't either, but a guy on 40klore made a spoiler thread for it. If anyone has the dl for it, I would love to read it. I miss the trove every day.Surely someone has a copy.
>only other player getting a FW Magnus this weekend>I already made a plastic Alpharius conversionWill I enjoy the primarchslop?
>>97097447Primarchs are for redditors
>>97094424I'll give that a try, thanks!
>>97090719Its almost making me want to play it at this point.
>>97097120There are tanks in the game other than land raiders. And you are capable of standing still if necessary.
>>97097555>>97097555>There are tanks in the game other than land raiders.That doesn't matter, because there's no difference in what can kill a land raider and what can kill anything else in the game, you just need to spam more of it. There's no reason every list shouldn't start with 4 demolishers, they're the new lascannon HSS
I know this is on me for watching youtube slop but isn't this tier list pure ass??There's no way RG is the worst army in the game, or that TS isn't the best by far.
>>97097567>There's no reason every list shouldn't start with 4 demolishersThe reason is "I have four rapier laser destroyer batteries, and they outrange your vindicators and do more damage to tanks"The demolisher is range 24 anon, its never, ever, ever, getting the damage 6 vs an enemy vehicle that isnt a rhino rushing you or whatever. It also cant return fire, which is actually fairly significant.
>>97097570>There's no way RG is the worst army in the gameThe legion with "take 50% damage from shooting" as their legion trait? You dont say.
Working on a base for a possessed saturnine I'm converting for my AL.I think I'm gonna paint over the sigil on the far rock, it's a bit distracting. Also have a ton of details to pick out and clean up but I'm pretty happy with the glow effect on the central runes.Post some models anons! Also what would you guys think a demonic saturnine dread's melee would look like stat wise? I'm assuming it would be super slow and inflict a stupid amount of damage but I'm unsure what would be "fair" - this is just gonna be for display.
>>97097570Them putting AL in C is all you need to know lmao. RAW AL can shoot out of medium cover with impunity by being right outside of 1" of the edge of terrain. Can't draw line of sight to them because they count as being 2" further in cover, meaning they're actually over 3" from the edge of terrain and you can't draw LoS. Above may be a lack of comprehension on my part but even if that's not true they'd still be at least upper B.
>>97097595Finished the mk2b for my word bearers >>97097595>Also what would you guys think a demonic saturnine dread's melee would look like stat wise?Honest, probably whatever a telemon has with a psychic trait added and maybe phase (s) (probably a bad idea consider saturnine are already so absurdly tough). Judging from other word bearers units, most of the mechanical benefit of daemonhood lies in being malefic and increased resilience, Gal Vorbak being 3 wounds and phraetus having EW.
>>97097616Jesus christ they literally put an FAQ for this for you retards who can't read
>>97097633Hell yeah anon, I appreciate that you even defaced the aquila on the tracks.I'll take a look at the Telemon, I hadn't realized it has pretty much the same profile as a saturnine Dread.
>>97097570>that entire C tier
>>97097655Not just the same profile...
>>97097730So how much will Citadel crib off the Saturnine dread to make a plastic Telemon with?
>>97097555No there aren't. The only tanks that exist in the game are land raiders.The only units that exists in the game which aren't vehicles are terminators.The only weapon option that exists is thunder hammers.
Are Golden Keshig worthwhile? I'm running an army that focuses on infiltrating elite recon marines, vigilators and headhunters supported by airborne elements like javelins and xiphons, anchored around a spartan full of terminators. Figured a fast, melee punching unit would be a worthwhile add for some sudden threat. It's a Rewards of Treachery unit for my Alpha Legion
>>97097730Which is tougher game-wise? I figure it must be the telmon but does it have an equivalent to the defraction field?
>>97097950They're both T8 2+/4++, the telemon gets an extra wound and has eternal warrior (1) like all custodes but loses the diffraction field. The telemon also gets +1M, WS,BS, and A though
>>97097950>SaturnineWS4 T8 W8 I3 2+/4++ WP7 IN5Thermal Diffraction Field>TelemonWS5 T8 W8 I3 2+/4++ WP9 IN3Eternal Warrior (1)Implacable AdvanceThe latter costs 20 points more and has a better overall statline outside of brain damage, both will be spending 10-20 points on wargear.
>>97097054welcome to the party pal, I got a huge scar on my thumb after my knife slipped while cleaning
>>97095339No, veterans should be able to mix and match the seperation from melee to shooty is retarded
>>970920383rd e biggest flop
