>setting has fates worse than death that can befall you at any timeWhy doesn't anyone in the setting just kill themselves when they have the chance?
Fates worse than death can befall you at any time IRL too but I don't see you killing yourself
>>97087451death is the only eternal thing IRLin fantasy you can get turned into an object or have your soul trapped or or fall into the underworld or some shit
>>97087456You don't know what happens after death IRL. All of that might be true and you just don't know it
>>97087478This is a religious cope, you can be pretty fucking certain what happens after death by observing cadavers. And, you know, sleep.
>>97087424>be regular dude in The Elder Scrolls>soulstones exist>maybe i dont even know they are a thing>maybe i do>ending up in a soulstone sure sucks>but what are the chances i will>seems pretty chill right now>and i like staying alive and smashing my qt Kajit wife>dont kill myself
>>97087424Ask the worldbuilding general nogames kun.
>>97087424>Why doesn't anyone in the setting just kill themselves when they have the chance?Because when you kill yourself, you learn why many religions consider suicide a grave sin.
>>97087871This is true, I killed myself and now I can only exclusively fuck lesbians
>>97087611>retard thinks sleep and death are remotely alikeThis board needs a fucking purge.
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>>97088180Brother some men are dying of thurst out here. And you mean to tell me you're drowning in the freakist of the freaks?
>>97087424Your soul ends up in the warp anyway. Its not better. If you fuck it up you’d end up a servitor worse still.
>>97088215>unconscious when asleep>unconscious when deadCmon man, haven't you played a condition-based rpg before?
>>97088266I'm putting something in the wenches that's turning the frickin goths straight
>>97087424because often times people in those settings have no real idea how bad it can get, take your pic for example since the average human in 40k at best has a very very vague idea there is shit in the warp but don't really know that its a daemon that will eternally skull fuck them while dunking their testicles in acid
>>97087611Counterpoint: ghost sighting and paranormal activity reports
>>97087456google "Locked in Syndrome"
>>97089929None of those are real, it's all faked by the Martian Ministry of Misinformation to divert the schizoids away from hyperfixating on the little green men.
>>97087424Suicide may just end you to worse then death eternal after life suffering in the setting as well. Noble sacrifice for the emperor where it is obliteration and then the bliss of true oblivion is the best shot you have.>>97087456>turned into an objectlike panties or a dildo>Soul trappedIn the ass dimension>UnderworldAss dimension>Some shitThe ass dimension
>>97091332>t.
>>97087424Because that makes a demon and then you’re a soul stuck in the hellspawn of suicide.
>>97089929I don't think there's anything that makes me believe in ghosts less than watching ghost sighting videos. You don't make ten seasons of a ghost hunting show without catching something convincing at some point if it was real.
>>97091514The grimdark is when hell exists but heaven does not.
>>97087424>writing quality is comparable to early newgrounds sex fanfics>people take it extremely seriously and argue it nonstopWhy is the Warhammer community like this?
>>97092017Yeah, quite a few are downright bad from what I hear. There are some gems, though.Fire Caste is unironically a very good book. Many of the Gaunt's Ghosts and Ciaphas Cain ones as well.
>>97087611You can't even guess at the inner world of a living person.Because you're autistic.
>>97091933We're going deep into the colon with that one.
>>97087424>Why doesn't anyone in the setting just kill themselves when they have the chance?Maybe it's this bit.>setting has fates worse than death
>>97091332kek
When you die, you die.There is no afterlife, no consciousness.
>>97092093My dear fellow autist, if that were true, I certainly wouldn't be taking your word on it kek
Last 5e game I was in was a fate worse than death. Literally could not die and just sat there while some danger hair gabbled with an NPC wine seller about imaginary wine for a half hour.
>>97094322>stop rping in my tabletop rpg
>>97087424This nigger >>97090253 gets it. Don't Google funky town. NSFL!Also you don't know this, because you're a retard and a nogaems secondary but basically no one in the Imperium knows about fates worse than death. The untold billions believe the "There are no demons" lies of the church. Your planet is either wholly consumed by nids or you haven't seen them. You're one of the unfortunate souls abducted by Drew Carrey or you're killed on the battlefield.
>>97091843>You don't make ten seasons of a ghost hunting show without catching something convincing at some point if it was real.You are just proving to yourself than tv shows are not realWhat does that has to with my point
>>97087456>death is eternalNot even if you're going to hell
>>97087478There was that case of a Swedish(?) hiker falling into a frozen river. She was literally (not figuratively) dead for hours. "Was" because doctors knew the cold prevents the brain from decaying and reanimated her. You know what she said about the time between? There's nothing.
>>97090253My fav one is that kid who in the ended regaining a lot of movility and capacity to comunicate and everybody wanted to kill him (doctors included) and only his mother wanted to keep him alive. Kid was grateful at the end his mother didn't unplugged him, imagine how fun would it be for the rest of the family who wanted him to die hehe...awkward thanksgiving and christmas parties from there on
>>97087424you could experience fates worse than death like locked in syndrome or many types of torturous toxins and diseases and so on in real life at any moment anonwhy are you not taking the chance to avoid them?
>>97087424>fate worse than death>By far the worst is the hamburger lady, and because of shortage right now of ‘qualified technicians’, e.g. technicians who can work with her and keep their last meal down, Screwloose Lauritzen and I have been alternating nights with her, unrelievedly. If you put a 250-lb meatloaf in the oven and then burned it and then followed that by propping it up on a potty-chair to greet you at 11pm each night, you would have some description of these past two weeks. Which is to say the worst I seen since viet napalms. When somebody tells you that there is a level of pain beyond which the human mind cannot retain consciousness, please tell them to write me. In point of fact this lady has not slept more than 3-5 minutes at a stretch since she came to us – that was over two weeks ago and, thanks to medical advances, there is no end in sight; from the waist (waste?) up everything is burned off, ears, nose etc – lower half is untouched and that, I guess, is what keeps her alive. I took one guy in to help me change tubes and he did alright, that is alright till he came out, then he spotted one of the burn nurses (pleasant smiling zombies) eating a can of chili-mac at the desk, and that did it: he flashed on the carpet. It is fucking insane is what it is.
>>97092017Aesthetics. 40k (before its' flanderization) hit it just right. Gothic and edgy, but not crossing the threshold of actual derangement. The "novels" were always adslop.
>>97087424Usually people don't know about the fates worse than death until it's already happening.
>>9710239440gay was never good.
>>97104249not really, we know about plenty irl
>>97099202>imagine how fun would it be for the rest of the family who wanted him to dieThey'd go on believing they did the right and merciful thing by sparing him lots of suffering, most likely. It's not like he'd come back from the grave for an impromptu family seance or something.
>>97088416Anon... you're just setting yourself up here.
>>97091843>t. thinks the pawn shop in Pawn Stars actually does just have people walk in with rare trinkets
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>>97098517>being in cryostasis = deathLmao
This thread will be filled with nothing but christcuck cope. Complete waste, even by the extremely low /tg/ standards.
>>97088215What do you think general anesthesia is?
>>97087424Suicide is the worst fate.
>>97106460Enlighten me
>>97106931Well I'm gonna kill myself in a couple of weeks so I'll verify that report back to youoh wait
>>97107001Please do.
>>97107226Kek, typical religidiot
>>97106992You see, things still have brain activity while asleep. It operates the organs, performs repairs on itself, signals the release of hormones, focuses mor energy on digestion. This is what causes dreams.Here's the part where i say (You) don't have brain activity in your sleep, because you're retarded.
>>97106507>no heartbeat doesn't mean deathBurger education on full display.
>>97107468Anon.. dreams only occur during REM, when your hippocampus is "writing to disk" all the shit in your RAM, so to speak. That's like, basic sleep biology. Yes, your body is running background processes (like breathing), including several trigger events to rouse you, but any higher cognitive functions are not operative. You're really not in any position to call me retarded when you're spouting such horseshit
>>97109896>You're really not in any position to call me retardedYou wrote all of that and yet think it doesn't count as brain activity while you're asleep. So yes, i am in a very good position.
>>97109067>never heard of a heart transplant>socialized healthcareChecks out
>>97106895Well it's not dying. Since, ya know, people get back up from it. Just like how a coma isnt dying. Or being knocked-out isn't dying.
>>97087424>be rando civillian levy soldier>pray entire life for salvation>get called into battle against some fat fuck>he casts a spell>entire unit is digested alive in a god's stomach for all eternityLiterally should have slit his wrists before battle if this shit was waiting for him
>>97114269You can come back from dying anon
>>97087424plenty of people in 40k lore do kill themselves but also the majority of the human race has a strong belief that they will be protected from the horrors of the warp after death by the Emperor. They believe that the Emperor is God and that he is looking out for their best interests and what he requires in return is faith and service. It's pretty simple to see where their sense of hope comes from when there are actual real manifestations of their faith happening during their lifetimes. The Living saints and other people and situations prove on the regular that the God Emperor is actively effecting reality which if you believe he is God then you would be very motivated and hopeful that their is progress being made in the fight against the ruinous powers and the xeno scourge.
>>97114221>totally not dead when there's no heart in your chestWhat does "reanimation" mean, faggot?
>>97114905You cant, actually.>>97115129Anon surgeons arent necromancers they keep the person alive while they swap the heart.
>>97087424Because even with horrible shit worse then dying, life is still ultimately worth living for.Dont be afraid of how you'll end, live what you can rather then live and die in constant fear of something worse then death because at that point fear will have completely devoured you whole.TLDR killing yourself is cowardly when life is too good to give up
>>97087611Yeah, not much seems to happen after someone dies.You just fucking die.
>>97114213Oh, my bad. I assumed you knew what higher cognitive functions are. You've clearly never experienced one, and I apologize for assuming otherwise.
I don't buy sleep as any equivalent of death since continuity of consciousness is maintained in my experience at least. I can plan stuff while I sleep and worldbuild and sometimes even direct what I'm thinking about.Anesthesia however I do worry about breaking continuity. I'm not a medical man so I'd have to really look into how quiet things get upstairs to make a judgement but thinking back to some instances in my childhood I really do wonder if that entity ceased existence or not as a result of anesthesia. Probably not, but one does worry.
>>97087456I have seen unpublished work during conferences that we have been able to remove pig brains and maintain fMRI activity. Its theoretically possible to scoop your brain out and wire it to nociceptors and float you in a tank so you experience nothing but pain
>>97115718nothing about this is eternal, it's just more complicated and probably less effective torture.
>>97115723>>97115718It's certainly a type of cringe no-gain punishment, about as soulless as it gets. Pretty much pure punishment for the sake of punishment until the meat decays due to lacking in a support structure and the parts fail due to the conditions. It is nightmare fuel but I wonder how conscious the brain can really be without any actual nerves
>>97115757>nightmare fuelIt's honestly pretty fucking tepid? We have much more interesting and worse punishments for a brain in a jar than just feeling infinite pain.I have no mouth and I must scream is a good example of like, a default baseline.
>>97115757I'm considering shifting my research that way. I mostly work in pain perception and synaptic formation in fruit flies but the idea of extracting brains and wiring them into an artificial web of nociceptors to maximize the amount of pain they can feel is interesting. You could even manipulate the d1/d2 signaling and serotonin levels to make the perception of time slow down
>>97115784What else and how are you going to do to torture a brain that can't feel anything directly in a jar? Assuming you can directly simulate experience yeah you can trap it in a hellscape or something but at that point it feels more like an experiment than a torture.>>97115813That's pretty interesting but this sort of spook shit I feel is more in the realm of science-fiction than reality. How are you going to get feedback to know the brain is being tortured without a way to get a response?This sort of sick shit brings me back to the Usogui Air Poker game where the B plot is the partners running a torture machine poker gamble where their respective partner loses they get shoved into a stimulant chamber that makes you experience death in certain manners. Probably the most gruesome I saw there was drawing and quartering
>>97115838Of course you trap it in hellscapes, anon.
>>97115838You can detect from activity patterns that are associated with pain but yes it would be hard to tell if the tissue was experiencing pain or just reacting to a stressful stimulus
>>97115853>>97115849I guess the follow-up question you can get to here logically is if there's a purpose to your torture, and is there still a human soul left in that brain or is it just a biological algorithm? How would you even define a soul if you're capable of doing this sort of sick shit? It is pretty interesting. I could never really get into doing research myself but it does sound engaging
>>97115860Have you ever been so gut-wrenchingly sad that you feel like your heart is going to tear itself in two? Like, physically. Makes me wonder if there are neurons in the heart, or if it's just a byproduct of bad-chemicals making the body do weird shit that feeds back into the brain as part of the sorrow.Either way, there'd be ways to simulate that feeling, eternally.
>>97115881Yeah I suppose, you get used to it eventually. I suppose experiencing sadness comes from a biological advantage of valuing the lives of your species but the type of sadness humans can feel over abstract concepts or pets or other things I feel goes a bit beyond that
>>97115838It'd be pretty neat if you could pull it off, imagine being a biotech tycoon with jars of your rivals tortured until the neurons die in your office's basement
>>97115906Unless there's some magical/energy purpose to this suffering, you're basically wasting man hours for nothing other than to feel based
>>97115915I can't be sure hell exist so I might as well make it.
>>97115924Based, but if Hell is real you're extra sending yourself to it
>>97115948Thats pretty hypocritical isn't it?
>>97115970yes.
>>97115970Probably, but you're on Earth so what can you do about it
>>97115635>you need higher cognitive function to be aliveThis just in: bugs and jellyfish are undead.
Way too much to reply to at once. Two biggest problems with brain torture jar is 1) at any point the brain can just die from shock and 2) there are neurons in other organs such as the heart and the stomach. Really point 1 is the main issue, the brain not having a support structure also means it'll necrose significantly quicker, every pain signal you send it will tire out every cell and rapidly kill them without true circulatory support.
Increasing serotonin to alter time perception for the brain will also completely counteract the pain signaling as serotonin is a reward chemical. And too much of it kills cells because they get overexcited.Cartel videos have this issue. They severely drug their victims so they don't die from shock to prolong the torture, but the end result is the victim barely reacts or fights back because they're stoned out of their gourd. It takes literal minutes for them to percieve any pain in some cases.
>>97115684>Probably notNot in the slightest. Stream of consciousness is maintained better under anasthesia than getting black-out drunk. Depending on how good your memory is, you can even remember the visual distortions and your train of logic for any silly shit you say while going under or coming out of.
>>97118592>thing I never saidRun the logs through your context window again, Dipsy.
>>97118745Or in my case, hallucinate an entire conversation that never happened.
>>97109067>no heartbeat means deathThirdiebrown education on display.
@97121943>can't even maintain a consistent stanceNo more yous for ranjeesh.
>>97098517>this one chick? The only definitive source on how death works!>all the examples of people describing seeing an afterlife after being revived from medical death? Doesn't count.Huh, seems like you're taking this as... an article of faith :)
>>97087424There are things worse than death, but life is still worth living dumbass.
>>97122175Nah, you should actually READ the literature on that. Sure, many people who are dead for a few SECONDS report seeing familiar faces and light at the end of the tunnel and whatnot. Thing is we do not regularly revive people who've been dead longer because brains decay fast. You can experience this directly by talking to people after a stroke."This one chick" is special because it's probably the only case where someone has been confirmed dead for HOURS and been revived successfully.>>97121964>according to my private definition death can be achieved with a beating heartHow's that tinfoil hat coming along?
>>97122069Oh, it's you again.>still can't into replying>still can't into logicEmbarrassing really...
>>97122069I'll give you a hint: being alive and being conscious are not the same thing.
>>97123740Not as a whole. How can it be worth anything to you when you don't exist to reap the benefits?
@97124002(You) denying is because jeets get paid per reply anon>>97124573I'll give you a hint: being unconscious and being dead aren't the same thing
>>97123996>we do not regularly revive people who've been dead longer because brains decay fast>>97123996>This one chick is special because she was flash-frozen in such a way that it prevented decay for HOURSThat's not a recollection of death or an afterlife. That's a recollection of being a frozen dinner.
>>97124958That's the same thing because, drum roll please, there is no afterlife.
>>97124926>I thought this was an CIA psyop. No, wait. It's the IDF trying to kill 4chan. Ah, no actually it's discord trannies on a warpath. Now, it's jeets getting paid.You paranoid losers never fail to amaze me.
>>97123740>life is still worth livingThat's kind of a Walk a Mile in Their Shoes thing to say
>>97118745From my most recent experience I remember asking the technicians if I could keep my wisdom teeth fragments in a bag after they extracted them, and the technicians saying yes.Then I remember sitting up and asking where my wisdom teeth fragments were and the technicians saying:>We threw those outAnd being very very mad.What's odd is that I don't remember wanting to say that or thinking "I should ask about the teeth fragments", I just did it while barely even conscious so I assume that my body was taking the wheel on that one
>>97124926Just checking; are you pretending to be stupid for gibs, or do you seriously not understand the fallacy of the undistributed middleDemonstrate your intelligence by explaining it to me like I'm the retard here. Keep your response short and concise, in the style of a mid-prohibition chicago mobster.
>>97125592>it's totally the same because it confirms my fedora-tipping beliefsNot sending their smartest are they?
>>97125607>I thought this was an CIA psyop. No, wait. It's the IDF trying to kill 4chan. Ah, no actually it's discord trannies on a warpathWho are you quoting, schizoid?
>>97127019>unconscious = unconscious>asleep = asleep>dead = deadThank you for coming to my Ted Talk
>>97087424Suicide in 40k is an one-way ticket to a Fate Worse than Death, buddy.
>>97123996>according to my private definition of death no heartbeat means instant deathEvery heart attack survivor ever says "hi"
>>97127479It's (you) who posits the existence of an afterlife without evidence. Onus of proof lies on you.
>>97127489You can't be *this* new, right?
>>97127525I refuse to believe you're this stupid. It's literally in the word "reanimation". "Re" from again. "Animation" as in alive and kicking. We constantly use a word that means "was dead but am alive again".Your private definition doesn't change that.
>>97115264>Anon surgeons arent necromancersthats what they want you to think
