Great Mother. Please return my web. Have I displeased you somehow?

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>>97089644
Reinforcing money wizard supremacy

>>97089658
Did you do anything to make the world more static? No? Then you're being useless, a drone can't be useless. Return to the pattern web for reprogramming.

>>97089703
How can I return if I have no web at all. Before you get smart about communication, I'm yelling at a chalk picture of a computer.

>>97089658
Get back in my computer Spider spirit, I need to shitpost about Gaia

>>97089730
Child of mother, your OneSong connection?

>>97089644
Right now? Aegis Kai Doru because I just read Reliquary.

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>>97089644
>TQ
Man I can't pick. There's so many good ones.

Btw, my friend made another one of these memes for a lesser known HtV compact. The Keepers of the Source, from Witch Finders. A bunch of west coast new age woo woo types learned the supernatural were real and unlike most in their cadre, did something about it.

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>TQ
As a resident /d/generate. Ashwood Abbey. Society of Leopold is a close second.

Speaking of Hunters. Last check. People still interested in taking a stab at a Hunter version of /schreck/?

>>97089796
>That arrow
I know what you are.

>>97089644
>TQ
Society of Leopold (who else?) followed by the SAD and DNA and that one dude who made an insane asylum for changelings if he counts as a hunter.

>>97089882
I am, some questions though
>Will this mean gwnet gets retired
I hope so, frankly.
>When will this take place?
I think maybe we run it thursday through monday at the end of this week
Just my two cents, but yeah I'm interested in hunter posting. I'm surprised no anon ever made a poll of what would be more interesting
>>97089644
I'm somewhat of an Arcanum fan, love being unhelpful
>>97089796
Very based meme, thank you for sharing

>>97089882
I'm up for it

>>97089882
I'm still down for the test.
>>97089796
A lovely addition to the collection.

Help me develop a faction of Hunters (Hunted or Reckoning) that specializes in hunting Mages (it's okay if they mostly hunt Arete 3 and below, I don't expect them to go hunt Masters).

>>97089934
I have no control over gwnet. I'm not even sure if the last gwnet thread was made by the same person that did 1-3.

As for when it starts, I was either gonna do it tonight (bored) or tomorrow. The idea is for a limited winter run through the month of December, maybe going into January if there's enough posters but otherwise ending it with the New Year. I think frights during the cold, snowy holiday season are fairly comfy. At the same time, if the first thread is basically on life support one week in, I'm not gonna zombie general or artificially keep it alive. It's very much intended as a test to see how interested people actually would be in a Hunter RP thread.

>>97089956
This organization casting a wide net or specific types of mages? Also would they be opposed to using sorcery?

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>>97089956
>Hunters when they find that bookish and lithe Hermetic chick

>>97089882
yeah.

>Potential Cleopatra ends up as a Caitiff
I bet the Nosferatu Sire would be so pissed.

>>97089968
>limited winter run through December
This could be neato, I'm just not sure we should do a long running RP like /schreck/ as I feel it'd probably lose steam before a planned ending but if you're making the thread it's your call for being based. I do like the plan, I just think /gwnet/ is just around to do shitty garouposts rather than cool RP now
The Ginfolk arc was pretty great to follow though, props to that anon
I just assumed we'd get more posters on a weekly thread that something long terms. Thank you for being based though so I didn't have to be. As for proposing rules, I don't want to be a faggot but I think we have to include
>Keep supernatural posts vague, unnamed, or within the character RP of a Hunter
gw had a bit too much cross splat posting, though the spirits and wagies were fine

>>97089956
>Monks of the Sundered Cabal
(or whatever edgy name you want) this is from Anti-Mage in dota
Basically a Monastic Order from Tibet that got raided by a bunch of uppity mages a long time ago and became ASSMAD over getting their priceless Buddhist/Whatever artifacts stolen, and now dedicate themselves to teaching others in the way of the ascetic and the way of wizard-killing.
>Big focus on Martial arts bullshit and maybe Gun-fu if you like it
>High willpower inner peace type of characters, maybe a willpower requirement to joining
>Specialized in detecting reality manipulation but too deep in their propaganda to awaken properly
What do you think?

>>97090028
Well it's an experiment. My intended timeframe is more of a cut-off than anything else. Will adjust based on how much posting it actually receives.

Here's what I have for rules so far.

Rules:
>We are acephale. There is no storyteller, we are not a quest.
>This thread is based primarily but not exclusively in the nWoD/CofD game Hunter: the Vigil. However, Vigil is defined by being highly setting agnostic, with a system for creating entirely custom monsters that do not exist in other WoD/CofD games. Thus, you have significant freedom in what you want to play, if you want to play a member of the Society of Leopold, or hunt a Masquerade vamp while playing a member of the Lucifuge, be our guest!
>Namefagging is encouraged but by no means mandatory.
>Keep in mind that even highly experienced Hunters typically only have fractured pieces of the puzzle, and every table has their own canon. The night is dark and full of misinformation.
>/vigil/ is conceived of as an experimental end to end encrypted program that is very hard to compromise, retains very little data and purges that data regularly. Please play an actual Hunter.
>Spoiler any OOC discussion.

>>97089956
The Sorcerers' Union

>>97090058
Very cool, though I think naming it /vigil/ is a bit bland. I like the way you worded it though for playing a Hunter. Very based, and thank you anon

>>97090058
I'd maybe throw in a semi-serious line that bring divinely blessed is another form of supernatural taint. To reinforce the vigil foundation and to try and curb Imbued posting.

>>97090074
I'm open to suggestions for a different name. Was drawing a blank on a name for the hypothetical program.

>>97090078
I don't wanna purity spiral too hard, since Vigil contains the likes of the Malleus Malefecarium and the Lucifuge.

>>97090092
/n0/?

>>97090092
>name
This might be a touch long but what about: Union Forum Zero. /uf0/.

>>97089644
I really love the way they wrote mages in Witchfinders. I cant stand Paradox & all the bullshitbshoved into Mage (any edition) but I really liked the way they had the witchfinder ones do stuff that interacted with their magic as a way of cultivating Source pts to spend on magic.

If you want to use Life magic, you need to spend some time working in a garden. Other Lores had similar tasks & meditations, & I really like that. I wish they had a chance to write more Lores. I feel like thats how magic should work more or less. Plus the spells were fun & could be powerful if you were clever. I wish there was a oWoD version without going into Sorcerer which just feels like they took Thaumaturgy, removed the blood & made everything a little more complicated & dull

>>97090078
I think Imbued posting should be semi-allowed but anons should keep it as schizophrenic as possible
>>97090092
I'm similarly drawing a blank on the name, maybe /projOdin/, based on something like the wild hunt being led by Odin. Just spitballing, I think /vigil/ is fine if we're not having good ideas as it's still pretty decent and apt

>>97090108
Nta, but uf0 is actually pretty clever
>>97090106
this one is neato too

>>97090119
How about I combine it down to un0. Both uno, or one, and union/network 0. With an unvarnished code gobbledygook full title like >Un/Net0_E2EE_v1.Test_Server

To reflect the experimental nature of a universal Hunter communication program?

>>97090136
I like it

>>97090116
I always saw imbued as just normal ass ppl aside from the few wackos in the fluff

>>97090136
That's a cool idea, very basado
>>97090154
I agree but the end state of every imbued is inevitable schizophrenia, even if not right now a couple of years down the line every imbued will be crazy

>>97090136
It also works as "You Know", as in you know about the supernatural.

>>97089971
Wide net, but specifically hate the kind of mage that would bring Paradox by casting vulgar magick (or rather, those are their main target as they are easier to spot).
Let's say they're opposed to using sorcery if it involves things like rituals, sigils and such.

>>97090171
So they're more opposed to the image and trappings of magic than magic itself. At least when vulgar magic isn't involved. Cause that aerosol can+lighter is a very handy slap dash ritual for some fire focused hedge magic.
All that said sounds like they'd be hunting hermetics and dregs of the nephandi

>>97090053
I kinda like it. They do sound like the Shih equivalent for Akashics and other asian mages.
And the whole concept of a Monastic Order becoming Mage hunters works, at least narratively speaking, for other cultures as well. Catholic order in Europe, Muslim assassin guild in the middle east, African religious warmonger...

>>97089644
The cheiron group and it isn't close.
One of the suggested cheiron characters is a cleaner, like a guy with a mop, who gets reassigned due a bureaucratic fuckup to be a cleaner, the type with a gun.
They're a corporation. They have annual quotas, they have staff meetings, they have secretaries, hunters get a 401k.

And it's launched
>>97090196
>>97090196
>>97090196

Happy posting, friends. And thanks for the feedback/suggestions. All were wonderful.

>>97090182
Pretty much any Tradition could set off those radars.
Hermetics, like you said, and their elaborate rituals.
Choristers when they use enochian, kabbalah or vedic practices.
Verbena and their bloodletting, tree worshipping, bonfire dancing and rune carving.
Ecstatics and Euthanatos could fly under the radar, except for those who even consider esoteric yoga a sign to look for. Akashics too.
Dreamspeakers are essentially in the same boat as the Verbena.
VAs and Etherites might be the only ones who get away with it, as long as their technomagic looks more techno than magic. But as soon as the Etherite starts making Frankenstein monsters or the VA starts doing Tron shit, they're targets.
Hollow Ones would be easy targets even if drawing a pentagram with lipstick seems like just innocent teen shit at first.

>>97090020
yes it's mentioned that nosferatu do often kill their caitiff unless they happen to just manifest the clan curse anyway

>>97090207
Maybe we should have figured out what to do about God-Machine stuff?

>>97090207
Neat. Will check out soon

>>97090256
Would the angels care? We would be, or are, effectively keeping the status quo which is its ultimate goal.

>>97090256
The thread is entirely ambivalent on grandiose setting fixtures. "every table has their own canon".

>>97090207
Nifty.

>>97090223
Would syndicate members not get targeted as well by that metric? They are the magic men after all.

>>97089644
Is there anything akin to the hellsing group in any version of hunter?

>>97090493
I'd wager that the Syndicate is the most subtle convention.

>>97090505
Hellsing group in what way? The whole employs supernatural creatures aspect? Not that I know of.

How does one go about ranking hunter groups in therms of how dangerous they are?

>>97090183
Glad you like it, and yeah it's something you can adapt to other Monks. Perhaps in a similar situation they may have heard about a similar style happening out East a long time ago and decided to follow in their example, perhaps with their own spin on their name or fighting style.
Perhaps English monks may engage in boxing, mainland Europeans in fencing or sword fighting, or some sort of sorcerous pursuit. I like the Muslim assassin group too though that's basically Assamites but as hunters

>>97090505
There is the Society of Leopold with their magics. The other option is using Sorcerer or Exalted binding rules. In terms of lore there's basically fuck all.

>>97090505
Employing a supernatural creature as their battering ram is kinda not in line? You could maybe refluff Knights of Saint George or Saint Adrian. Perhaps the Barrett Commission as well if you're focused on vamps.

>>97090563
Vigil? By the tier, how supernatural they get, and their experience/age.
oWoD? They're mostly even, it's just reflavoring. I suppose anything that's got a more serious martial bent edges out.

>>97090563
Leopold & company >> The Imbued >> THE MOTHER OF ALL POWER GAPS >> The Arcanum.

>>97090576
>>97090575
You'd think the Society of St. Leopold would be open to working with Christian(lol) werewolves and Choristers wouldn't you? I feel like that may be an unexplored avenue in the lore, maybe even some other schizo group like the Nails of Christ

>>97090563
Vigil has three tiers. Cells, which refer to small groups of hunters, typically three to a dozen, are tier 1. Technically larger groups have cells of their own, but independent hunters are basically stuck at cell level. Tier 1 hunters can still be a tremendous threat, but their small size limits the scale of what they can realistically accomplish.

Tier 2 hunters are called compacts. Compacts are full-fledged organizations, and many are even multi-national. They don't have any inherent force multipliers, and large organizations have drawbacks, but their size and resources make them typically much larger threats than Tier 1.

Finally Tier 3 hunters are called Conspiracies. They're typically, but not always, larger and have more resources than the Compacts, but the main thing that makes Conspiracies Tier 3 is some sort of x-factor that can close the gap between supernatural powers and the hunter's own abilities. Some are explicitly supernatural, like the faith based magic of the Malleus, or the natural demonic abilities of the Lucifuge. But it can also represent advanced technology (possibly based on half-understood supernatural abilities) such as TF:V's advanced armory or the Cheiron Group's Thaumatechnology.

>>97090601
They're literally the Inquisition. Not the Second Inquisition, but the definitive Inquisition. Suffer not anything that isn't truly human to live, mages and werewolves and vampires all burn together regardless of faith.

>>97090601
Yeah but that would defeat most of the point of the society. Christian Werewolves could be a neat conspiracy within the faction but I don't see where you would go with it.

>>97090493
Theoretically yes, but they're so subtle that most if not all non-Imbued wouldn't notice their magickal stock trading bullshit.
>>97090573
Assamites as hunters is a scary prospect. Almost as scary as the muslim Imbued from Holy War.

>>97090601
I'd imagine they still remember the first inquisition and how the mages wanted to be idolators/whatever excuse used to turn on them. They would not stand up to what woofs fight. Woofs are basically a more hardcore SoL that's bloodier.

>>97090631
That and most of True Faith adjacent powers are kind of useless against a Werewolf.

>>97090623
>Not having Blessed heretics
This is why the Society is basically a jobber group compared to other Inquisitions, not even in a secret shadow organization within it or something or other
>>97090625
>Christian Werewolf branch of Society in like Romania or something trying to micromanage hunting, being Garou, and not exposing themselves
I think it's kino, frankly. Was partially inspired by Hellsing and Hellboy there, though those two are nowhere near as secret as they are. I guess where to go from there depends if Hunter plot, Vampire plot, or Werewolf plot as it could easily be all three
>>97090631
>They still remember
I just don't really see that being the case except for the older members. I just thought it'd be a neat idea

>>97090627
Assamites are more of a traditional clan in concept right? Wouldn't it make sense they have mortal agents they groom as Hunters before embracing them when they prove themselves and want more power? Also
>Muslim imbued
Spooky
>>97090652
Just true faith yourself up some of the chains that contained Fenrir bro, you're Norse-pagan pilled right?

>>97090601
>You'd think the Society of St. Leopold would be open to working with Christian(lol) werewolves and Choristers wouldn't you?
Get his S*nbenito out of here! The SoL made sure to put any notion of allying with monsters in the heretical category. They don't even trust their own sorcerers (Theurgy users)

>>97090659
To give the Society credit, their relic curator is old enough to remember. Being a vampire and all I'm so annoyed he's ventrue. It's so dumb.
Plus they have vatican archives. Although you're right, a smarter chorister could probably be the head of a sub-division or so.

>>97090659
Not everything has to be a messy cross-over soup. Fucking hell, just let a group of hunters be a group of hunters, please.

>>97090652
Doesn't True Faith Lower Rage?

>>97090698
But hunters on their own are so boring, they're only cool if you mix in the other splats
A human hunter is a human hunter is a human hunter, once you've seen one you've seen them all, but kinfolk hunters and ghoul hunters and sorcerer hunters and even full splat hunters like werewolf ronin hunters and vampire caitiff hunters are really cool

>>97090709
What do you think they hunt anon? Hunters are basically attack dogs for the other splats. Sometimes the leash slips your grip and they maul your friend's face. The idiot shouldn't've been taunting your dog.

>>97090625
>Christian Werewolves could be a neat conspiracy within the faction
Yeah, they'd somehow reain undetected within a group that has their own equivalent of the KGB and magical ways of detcting supernaturals.

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>>97090686
Well, would you trust a sorcerer? It just seems a bit wasteful but I understand the whole hatred of the unclean shit going on. It's based but also I feel like there's potential for dicking around with other stuff
>>97090691
>Not Lasombra
Wow, that is kind of retarded. Interesting though, I'm assuming the Ventrue is either excused to be long living via faith or some nonsense or is this a case of background character syndrome that no one notices?
>>97090698
The Society of St. Leopold is and can be just hunters, but an anon asked about Hellsing and I bridged it to an idea that maybe St. Leopold could have a branch of Christian-adjacent supernaturals. It's not really canon, and cross-over stuff can be interesting. You could even make them non-Garou werewolves if you're so allergic to crossover shit, literal just Christian mages instead of Choristers. There's plenty of options if you just don't like it

>>97090722
Yeah but I don't want to play boring splatless human hunters

>>97090723
>Hidden in plain sight
They could just try EXTRA hard not to stick out, or learn sorcery to just pretend at being supernatural. Magic KGB can only do so much given that the real KGB could also only do so much
>>97090709
Base Huntards have plenty of potential off of sheer human ingenuity, limitation breeds creativity and all that. I just think cross-splatting hunters could be cool though you'd have to rebalance everything. Having a singular Garou ronin hunter would outdps literally everyone else, have better tracking because dog smelling, chat with spirits, a bit OP. And they don't spontaneously combust unlike the uppity mages

>>97090733
>Ventrue
Fabrizio Ulfila's just doing typical vamp shite. So he's hopping around the Italian peninsula while (trying to) indirectly control the church. I imagine he's doing the three card monte with ghouls when it comes to Society if they even check up on their vault. He's kind of background syndrome in modern nights. He was more important in Dark Age. He smacks of ventrue MC-syndrome.

>>97090757
What about multi-splat hunters to make them really powerful? Like hunters who are ghouled Garou with Sorcery & True Faith, that would be really cool

Inversions of the clan stereotype, how do you do them well?
How do you do a pauper prince ventrue well or a bruja that isn't a truja?

>>97090792
That'd just be a woof that's one frenzy away from exploding, if they aren't still having an allergic reaction to vitae.
>>97090800
Would an inverted Brujah just be a mercenary? Trujah still, arguably, cares for the cause even if they're stuck up their ass.

>>97090792
You're basically playing an Exalted game at that point. I mean, hell man if your ST wants you to be on GIGA drugs and mentally unstable why not. I would never run it personally as a hardcore power fantasy like that loses 99% of it's steam in the first arc from how easy everything would be or from devolving into
>Holy shit the world is ending (this week)
and
>Holy shit the world is ending (again)
Why the hell would a werewolf need true magic?

>>97090815
Nah, True Faith would keep the werewolf stable
>>97090821
Stay mad

>>97090786
I guess it's kind of cool but if the dude with the same writing style and handwriting has been record keeping for 500+ years this should be raising red flags to anyone above 3 int. It's a neat concept though
>>97090815
>Werewolf has to deal with MAXIMUM RAGE because becoming psychotically insane between the magic and the vitae
>has to also deal with not frenzying immediately
>has to also deal with Paradox assfucking
Just strap a nuke on him or turn him into a Risen, why not

>>97090800
>Pauper prince ventrue
Ventrue leading a semi-underground society of thieves and the destitute against the rich as a figurehead, something like a vampiric Robin Hood
>brujah with no autistic passion
This one is hard as having a passion for your own wellbeing and money is it's own style of passion. You could make a character rather so passionate about being a stoic that they look dispassionate maybe? I wouldn't know. I like >>97090815's mercenary idea but I feel like it's still just your typically Brujah behavior. Brujah kind of has everything going on

>>97090826
>true faith keeps woof stable
Becomes so stable that they can't rage properly. Are you trying to be Sam Haight or that one ghouled hunter who's a masturbatory pos but gets bandied about as HFY's champion.

>>97090733
The Inquisition book had a small section dedicated to the idea of supernatural inquisitors they're supposed to be between ultra rare - nonexistent and that being one would be hard, especially for a vampire one

>>97090875
>One tiny sect of a global multi thousand strong inquisition has like three woofs working together
Not exactly common place, though I've always through numbers/population count is kind of tragically low in WoD. Part of the thing here is that the supernatural itself is rare, you got like fuck all mages, at most 40k vampires, 12k Garou (lol), 35 changelings, maybe 100 mummies, Wraiths don't like hummies so they would never. Who CAN be a supernatural Inquisitor when there's no one around to do it?
I understand your point though, but if it's my game I could make it a neato mini-conspiracy that just caps an arc and leads to another. Typically I'd let the Society just be the Society though, no woofs or any of that

>>97090723
It's not like that hasn't happened before.

Are there any Gifts in Werewolf, any edition that allow one to go all *teleports behind you* with a with a single turn?

>>97091260
WtA 5e has Closing the Gap for Silent Striders.

>>97091448
>>97091260
I was about to say, it's available to Ahroun of all tribes as well

>>97090207
One day, just before the heat death of the universe, we'll have one for Wraith: the Oblivion...

>>97091478
I figured Mage would probably be next to get it out of our system but fear not Wraith brother, soon we will willingly enslave ourselves. I wonder how we'll deal with the whole shadow gimmick?

>>97091478
Hey, at least you're not a changeling fan, right?

>>97091577
That thread would get nuked within a week

>>97091601
Pooka pussy is hard to ignore

>>97091617
>>97091577
I've been sold already on Pooka pussy, Changeling soon I have no fucking clue how I'm supposed to RP a changeling

>>97091628
Don't worry, we'd all be autum people anyway

Which CofD book has the most dread powers selection? I want to build something, but can't remember which book to use anymore

>>97091722
Second edition core books? Outside of that I think woof has the most between its parts.

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ATTENTION!!!
Before you post the inane question
>How would Anonymous react to [insert splat here]?

Consult the following
>Beast: the Descent
>Changeling: the Created
>Demon: the Apocalypse
>Deviant: the Lost
>Geist: the Dreaming
>Hunter: the Renegades
>Mage: the Reckoning
>Mummy: the Forsaken
>Promethean: the Resurrection
>Vampire: the Sin-Eaters
>Werewolf: the Curse
>Wraith: the Vigil
I hope this clears things up.

>>97091817
I still don't understand the hate for Beast. It's one of the most natural splats I've had the pleasure of running.

>>97090844
What about lasombra? How do you flip them around?

>>97091859
Make them someone who is the community problem solver. Kine or kindred. Have it be from a genuine desire to make their little community better. The other kindred will misread it since you'll indirectly become a leader among the kine and somewhat important in local kindred politics but that's more from trying to make things better than you wanting power.
The other direction is being a nomadic traveler. You will be powerfully capable but no lasting social connections leaving you at the bottom social rung eight times out of ten.
It really depends on the lens you look at them with

>>97091927
Community problem solver imo still falls under the Mafioso-vibe Muscle Ruler that Lasombra kind of falls into. I feel like the proper inversion of Lasombra would be more so researcher-type like Beckett, a good force for the "community" if you can assume Kindred can even qualify for that, while also being generally not a terrible guy and trying to sort of uplift kindred as a whole. Lasombra seem particularly selfish, but improving a local community is a Mafioso thing still. I also agree with the spoiler
>>97091859
Beckett-lite example provided above, a proper Lasombra inversion must either be selfless ala Salubri, or genuinely trying to improve the world and not just themselves. Kindred paranoia REALLY pushes back against this though, so good luck

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>>97089796
This reminds me of Angel: the Harbingers. They are big into "vibrations".

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=angel+vibration+frequency
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threnody

>>97090673
>Just true faith yourself up some of the chains that contained Fenrir bro, you're Norse-pagan pilled right?

Odin is a faggot vampire who absolutely gained magic power by drinking semen in owod.

>>97090847
>HFY's champion

Wendel Delburton isn't ghouled.

>>97092008
True Faith is more mental gymnastics than actual fact, you can pretty much ignore the actual circumstances of Norse mythology and just go like "OH MY MAGIC CHAINS" like Kurapika

>>97092034
I'm not talking about that quitter. I was thinking of Caiaphas Smith.

>>97091826
>Anon tells on himself

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>>97090734
I brewed a custom splat for a pair of players who wanted to be hunters but not shit, and they play hitmarks. Made the secrecy part of the game very important, where they gain or lose favor with the technocracy based on their ability to avoid being seen doing terminator shit, and if it gets too bad then iterators come and reformat them. They have implanted false memories and were both activated and debriefed, and need to struggle with the fact that their lives have been manufactured. Its been fun having them be an Army of Two tho, just fucking mowing down vampires and their ghouls at night, and they had a hearty chuckle over their escapade being reported as an "all out gang war".

>>97091528
>I wonder how we'll deal with the whole shadow gimmick?
Just use the name box to switch to someone's Shadow.

>>97091774
I looked I the G-M chronicle & Hunter 2 but only found a handful. I could have sworn there was a 2nd Ed book that was all about monsters

>>97092180
>anons just RP as another anon's shadow and just tell the anon to go commit die and do terrible things over and over again
That's a schizophrenia box

>>97092181
Peaking at the wiki, there is what looks like a line of books for enemies. Night Horrors, though they don't look to hit every splat. Not sure from what else with what references they list.

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>>97091826
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Beast: the Descent. The horror is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the implications will go over a typical player's head. There's also Beast's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into its characterization - a personal philosophy which draws heavily from David Benatar's literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these insights, to realize that they're not just unnerving- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Beast: the Descent truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the horror in Beast's existential catchphrase "In the beast, suffering is self-confined," which itself is a cryptic reference to Peter Wessel Zapffe's The Last Messiah. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Beast: the Descent's genius unfolds itself on its pages. What fools... how I pity them. And yes by the way, I DO have a Beast: the Descent tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.

>>97092220
>I almost thought this was semi-ironic discussion of Beast
Goddamn, I'm starting to see that anon's POV

>>97092226
lmfao

>>97092198
Yes, that's the appeal.

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>>97091817
>Vampire: the Sin-Eaters
This makes too much sense.

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>>97091817
>>Geist: the Dreaming
“I am an offspring of the dead. I am descended from the deceased. I am the progeny of phantoms. My ancestors are the illustrious multitudes of the defunct, grand and innumerable. My lineage is longer than time. My name is written in embalming fluid in the book of death. A noble race is mine.”
― Thomas Ligotti, Songs of a Dead Dreamer and Grimscribe

Has there been any offical or fan made attempt to update Witchfinders Mysteries to 2nd Edition?

>>97090625
Christian werewolves you say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Uraj8XtFQE

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>>97091817
>>Werewolf: the Curse
Finally, a game that portrays the unpleasant side of being a furry monstrosity.

Sidhe women were made for Big Commoner Cock

>>97092508
>not Slaugh cock
It's like you don't wanna live dangerously

>>97091954
What if you bring back one of the earliest and strangest bits of Vampire setting material, and have the Lasombra trying to re-create Louis Pasteur's solutions that can be used to embrace a person, turning their blood into 4 points of vitae, and also the one that can undo that form of vampirism. That way they can get so many Kindred distracted by the possibilities that there will be less scheming and abuse. Ignore the impressive number of ways this could go wrong even if the formulas can never get improved beyond what they can do.

>>97092545
What would set a Lasombra on such a trial?

>>97092561
Probably the easiest way would be pride to compete with one of the deceased (but long after they were thought to be) greats of the past, but also perhaps as the desire to make an extreme form of palliative care or otherwise make what should be a very permanent deal into a temporary (ish) one.

>>97090020
If the sire is pissed, just take it into the fucking clan. If it refuses, blood-bind or kill it. What you describe is a retarded sire yelling at clouds.

>>97089814
>Ashwood Abbey
So if vampires regenerate over the day, what happens if you make a hole in them and stick your dick in it? Will it just tighten up around the cock, or will it end up giving you the full circumscision experience?

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>>97091817
>Mummy: the Forsaken
Who else was moved by the Nietzschean tragedy of this game? Imagine returning to life in a world where everyone you ever knew has died, including the gods (both literally and metaphorically). The irony would be soul-crushing and the mystery would be maddening.

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>>97091826
The main gripe people have with it is how pointless the cruelty feels in most cases and the fact that it took a Player's Guide for someone to think "wouldn't it make more sense for them to have a moral code of some kind?" In regards to the human side, even if the example of a prison warden came across as a rape fantasy.

>>97092628
I presume you just get your cock calcified into their flesh or the blood just takes what it can from the intruder. Either way you will probably end up with an eunuch or a 12 hour surgery.

>>97092545
>ignore the potential ways this could go wrong
The conscient Lasombra could never, likely
>>97092596
The prideful Lasombra on the other hand, yeah most definitely. Though I'd argue if we were truly on the inversion path we'd have to consider interpretation and the mental gymnastics involved with making sure your Lasombra is a good goy for the goodest reasons

>>97091722
Corebook > Hunter > Werewolf = Gheist = Changeling = Demon

Those are ranked in order of how many dread powers they write about but I don't remember most of the details. Werewolves and Gheist deal with spectral bullshit so a decent chunk of their powers are related to the manifestation rules no one cares about. Changeling and Demon have a lot of stuff about empowering and taking abstractions away from mortals.

Deviant is also an option but it's mostly a case where you can make a "rule of 3" math problem and create a fuck ton of powers.

>>97092810
>calcified cock ergo you are always rock hard
What's the problem? Simply will your cock out of it

>>97090705
Kinda, it mostly fucks with frenzy rolls but not their ability to spend rage. Like a werewolf in the Vatican could still gut 3-9 per turn but he would be ludic for longer.

>>97092840
... Good luck with skin grafts for your cock, that shits sounds unbelievably painful.

>>97091859
You could make them a social worker or teacher that build people to reach what they can never have. It could still be rather fucked up but it's rather... Banal in comparison.

Like imagine a dominate user forcing people to fulfil their new year's resolutions and you get the idea.

>>97091628
Playing a Changeling is about mimicking how a method actor would run as far away from their real life to stay in character. Some of them get to be in positions of power in and out of the fantasy while others are forced to pay the bills themselves.

>>97092853
There's plenty of people that have done it I'm sure it isn't terribly hard

>>97092862
>Banality mentioned in the negative context
The Kithain are returning
>>97092869
>your brand of method acting is being a wagey trolling at an office building three countries removed from your own
Could be based

>>97090800
Let's go by parts
>Bruhja
That would be any bruhja with a good relationship with their parental figures and/or the status quo of their circle. For example a guy that works at a good hospital alongside their sire allowing people to get their shit together before departing.

>Settites
Pic any flavor of asceticism and you are good to go.

>Gangrel
A Gangrel would have a very hard time being a people's person but give them a suit and tie and odds are they will find a way to work corporate into their favour. Humans are just another kind of animal afterall.

>Giovanni
This guy could have lost one too many children to consanguineous diseases before his embrace leading to the rejection of most of the family's values. He becomes a doctor and helps those souls stuck here to move on before it is too late, it might hurt but at least they know someone is watching their loved ones for a very long time.

>Malkavian
> Hey, I'm a high functioning (disorder) I have poured great effort into masking my symptoms and controlling my compulsions.
Any Malkavian with high willpower and self control could probably pull this off, specially when medication stats are a thing. Not sure how to make this more interesting tho.

>Nosferatu
Vtuber, Podcast/Radio Star any other kind of artist really. As long as they can make something beautiful while keeping their face hidden they should be fine to subvert their usual premise.

>Toreador
Their anti tribu already gives what you want out of the fuckers so I won't bother.

>Trememes
Any kind of character that escaped the Pyramid and is willing to share occult knowledge for the sake of sharing occult knowledge. So a vampire version of Julian Assange.

>Tzimisce
High humanity peasant embraced out of spite and fights the clan for very obvious reasons.

>Ventru
Take the stuff from the bone gnawers and give it to them.

>>97092877
If they return, I hope they finally just cease to be.

>>97092877
>The Kithain are returning
Not on my watch. We're very strick when it comes to our banality ratings here

>>97092972
>The changelings return and die from the sheer ambient banality
>The joy this causes creates another breed of Fae

>>97092988
I'm sure that our brightest minds in Sur-la-Clef will come up with a solution, they must.

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>>97089644
>tq
I'm a sucker for ancient orders of hunters, bonus points if they have faith powers.

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Has anyone here actually played or run the world- and cosmic-scale adventures in the Chronicles of Darkness core rulebook?

I am fully aware that Chronicles just is not as popular as the old/classic World. Still, the God-Machine Chronicle's world- and cosmic-scale adventures deeply fascinate me. They are the most over-the-top, most far-reaching, most civilization-upheaving scenarios in all of Chronicles.

These adventures are about saving the world from being invaded by some nightmare realm because people are gaining the ability to teleport across cities, saving the world from some global-scale plague killing off all men and making all women infertile, saving all of spacetime by traveling back to Paris in 1901 to prevent a certain device from being invented: that sort of thing.

And yet, these adventures are for plain old, mortal humans. They are not for elder vampires, archmages, great demons, or even hunters. They are for the weakest, humblest PCs in all of Chronicles. I find it oddly compelling, this way.

for mage MtAw 2E? what Arcana do I need to make prosthetics that are just as good as a real limb?

>>97093060
Matter 3 or 4.

>>97093039
The closest thing I ever played to that scales was surviving a zombie Apocalypse and playing a space opera, at least in terms of mortal characters.

>>97092953
>>97092972
>This was all a ruse to get all the changelings in one place for one final Sunday Friend Post
Truly, I underestimated the Autumn People's hatred of all things fun

>>97089796
Are hippies still a thing? Hell, were they still a thing in the 00s when their book was published?

>>97093268
Hippies haven't been a real thing since the 80s when they stopped being counter-culture or relevant. A subsect could have survived and even now there are still "hippies" but no hippie mainline movement or identity

>>97089644
>TQ
The Union, hands down. Just the mere idea of a bunch of beer-swollen rednecks forming a vigilante militia to hunt down vampires and mages with the same zeal they hunt down drug dealers out of good ol' NIMBY is hilarious and endearing.

>>97093268
Absolutely still a real thing in the 00's, but more like an individual thing than a social movement. Relatively common in some areas, with lingering hippie communes and the like.

But it's been a long time since I saw an actual real-life hippie at this point, let alone one that wasn't obviously a boomer that never moved on.

Am I doing something wrong or does vampire make you need to put a lot of effort in each individual NPC than most RPGs? I'm not at the point of making actual stats for these guys but I find myself having to make a lot of notes about who they're connected to and one liners about their motivations.

>>97093566
When you say Vampire do you mean
1) V20
2) V5
3) Redemption
4) Bloodlines
5) Bloodlines 2
6) One of the several VNs
?

>>97093575
20th Anniversary, I'm rotating as GM for my group and the table wasn't really impressed with what H5 had to offer

>>97093566
not just vampire this is something all wod, cofd and i assume the new one do all

characters in these games tend to be more... characters than the local lord of a dnd campaign

>>97093566
Vampire is very story driven. It's also a very personal one, as even the largest of domains have a number of vampires that would struggle to fill out a small town. Everyone knows everyone, in the worst way possible. So yes, it encourages you to put a lot of effort into your characters.

>>97093566
Vampire is a politics game. Politics is complicated

>>97093244
Maybe people would be a little less vitriolic towards the game if it had an actual point and ground to stand on its own.

>>97093060
>>97093063
I'd do it as a Matter 3/ Life 3 spell to weave living characteristics into the prosthetics, like feeling of touch and what not.
Matter 4/Life 4 if you want to literally transform the prosthetics into flesh and blood limbs.
Then of course you gotta hide a weapon in your fake limb with wonderful machine/jury rig.

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>>97093667
To dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear with unbearable sorrow
To run where the brave dare not go

To right the unrightable wrong
To love, pure and chaste, from afar
To try, when your arms are too weary
To reach the unreachable star

This is my quest, to follow that star
No matter how hopeless, no matter how far
To fight for the right without question or pause
To be willing to march into hell for a heavenly cause

And I know if I'll only be true
To this glorious quest
That my heart will lie peaceful and calm
When I'm laid to my rest

And the world will be better for this
That one man, scorned and covered with scars
Still strove, with his last ounce of courage
To reach the unreachable star!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo7VlD66ISM

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>>97091817
>>Changeling: the Created
I love the dual horror of discovering that not only are you a cuckoo-like substitute for someone else but you are also just an enchanted piece of wood.

>>97093864
Besides Life what other spheres can be used for healing purposes?

>>97091817
>Mage: the Reckoning
I appreciate how you can actually fight back against God in this one, none of that brooding sad shit. God fucked up, and humanity has grown powerful enough to punish him for it.

>>97093959
>you are also just an enchanted piece of wood.
I thought it was stupid how ALL changelings are made of wood, at least Wyrd Alchemies introduced more options but no one ever remembers that book

>>97094060
Sure, but then you have to deal with whichever asshole mages replace him. Hierarchy is the true evil.
>>97094116
Nobody wants to play a geriatric elf pretending to be a newborn.

Does anyone in the world have the updated PDF of Geist: The Sin-Eaters 1st edition, after it was revised?

All the pdfs in all the megas are the original, unrevised version

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>>97094060
Wouldn't that just trigger the endgame scenario of Demon: the Apocalypse?

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>>97094116
If you think that's bad, you should read Deviant: the Lost! It really emphasizes "the map is not the territory", so much so that compasses and other navigation equipment is completely useless for them.

>>97094189
Common misunderstanding, the canon DtA endgame is actually what leads into MtR. It's not Mages causing the end of the world by fighting God, it's Mages breaking out of their bonds that God created after everything went to hell (literally). DtA is the secret prequel, they had to pull some timey wimey bullshit to make everything happen simultaneously with all the other splats.

>>97091963
Gargoyle: the Grotesque was vastly superior.

>>97094268
Gargoyles deserved their own game, frankly

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They really are the coolest clan in the game man, no one comes close.

So what are the downsides of being a ghoul if your master isn't completely cruel and you aren't retarded?

>>97094410
>What's the downside of being a drug addict if you're bros with your dealer?

>>97094392
I keep telling everyone it's the glasses and the red coat, Strauss was a visionary I say. Vampire Wizard is also VERY cool as an archetype
>>97094410
>You have to now protect bro with your life like an obsessive stalker who NEEDS him to live
>You're still a blood junkie
>Master-kun has a limited supply and you may end up so addicted you attack him and get killed to get at it if he's not cruel and moderately liberal
It's not about (you) not being retarded, it's that addiction is fundamentally pushes you towards retardation. Vampires can choose to feed sparingly when they're a player because they have the willpower of being possessed by an unattached entity, but when it's better than sex and all the drugs realistically vampires will just be feeding for pleasure

>>97094485
I think the red glasses are STUPID

>>97094510
Hey man, there's a reason nearly every Tremere art features them. Feel free to dislike them though

>>97094410
The addiction. That'll kind of supersede everything along side the blood bond. Unrequited love is exhausting too.

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>>97094510
Well I think YOU'RE stupid

>>97094485
>>97094392
This is the truth

80% of Tremere fans are Bloodlines secondaries who are predictably drawn to the edgy, pragmatic intellectual clan. The red-tinted sunglasses are as much of a warning sign as a fedora is.

>>97094816
I've been a Tremere fan since the beginning because I like blood magic vampires. It's not my fault that the games & everything else keep making them better & better

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>>97094840
>I've been a Tremere fan since the beginning because I like blood magic vampires. It's not my fault that the games & everything else keep making them better & better

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>>97094840
>I've been a Tremere fan since the beginning because I like blood magic vampires. It's not my fault that the games & everything else keep making them better & better

>>97094816
You're both wrong and correct at the same time. It's just a cool aesthetic, but Tremere has it's own appeal outside of Bloodlines as well. Also, not an anon's fault that the only two clans with competent as in portrayed to actually be useful representation in Bloodlines were the Brujah(fucking kek) and the Tremere.
>Malks are a bunch of schizophrenics who ONLY cause problems for you
>Toreadors have a bunch of problems you need to resolve
>Nosferatu
>Gangrel isn't a real clan no matter how cool Beckett is
>Ventrue lol
Strauss's only problem is the Gargoyle incident and he still rewards you quite well

>>97094874
>that thinly veiled edit on the left
Golden, thank you

>>97094883
>It's just a cool aesthetic
Just like the fedora-wearing gentleman is a cool aesthetic, that only works in very specific fashion situations and for people who can make it work. Shoving cherry red sunglasses on anyone and everyone and calling them Tremere and treating them like some sort of essential Tremere uniform is cringe as all hell.

>>97094029
Time, for that Crazy Diamond rote.

>>97089644
Cheiron. Having Umbrella Corp. (let's be honest, they're Umbrella in all but name) fighting monsters to make gas station dick pills out of harvested vampire eyeballs is too funny a concept not to use, and they still work out quite well if you play them seriously.

>>97094883
>representation in Bloodlines
This has done irreparable damage to Vampire the Masquerade. Far too many people boil the clans and even the entire Camarilla down to the stereotypes represented in that game. Tremere are all Strauss, Ventrue are all Lacroix, Toreador are all Velvet, Brujah are all Damsel, etc.

>>97094980
It really has, although the brujah damage is making them seem put together.

>>97094980
>No Tremere bimbo slut Stacy because people only played Bloodlines

>>97094980
Much as I love Bloodlines, man has a point. I hated the Ventrue on account of LaCroix. Then I read their tabletop lore and they became my favorite.

>>97094980
The only problematic one is LaCroix IMO, him being the only Ventrue definitely soured that game's players on that clan
Nines and Jack are pretty liked for Brujah and Toreador has wide representation with VV, Ash, Isaac and Vick
Except for Ventrue it did fine for Camarilla clans IMO, Sabbath got fucked way harder

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>>97094927
Only those who rise high in the pyramid get them. The nobody scrubs just stay in the chantry

>>97095075
That's in all the supplementary material anons, but you'd think Tremere would actively only recruit intellectuals
>>97095102
Idk, I'm still a Tremere enjoyer mostly because they're a car crash waiting to happen every arc

>>97095103
But every clan has one particular character that Bloodlines fans elevate above all others as representative of that clan.

Barely anyone talks about Isaac, Ash and Vick, it's all VV when Toreadors come up. Similarly, Nines and Jack are rarely brought up as representations of the Brujah, but Damsel absolutely is as the retarded leftist firebrand that everyone loves to characterise the entire clan as.

>>97095167
Stop talking to teenagers

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>>97095167
The only reason people bring up VV is because of booba, when the reality is that she's one of, if not the, most manipulative characters in the game with a narcissism that would make even the most arrogant Giovanni blush.

Is he right? Were the white wolf writers really that bad?
>>97095188

>>97095198
Yes. Never forget the lawn chair wars of 1999.

>>97095198
I have 0 clue why we need 7 different threads for this IP, but no. The setting schizophrenia is actually what makes the setting so endearing. You talk to a Hindu and he's going to have one of the most insane takes on religion because these people are just not us. It's like that for every splat, and frankly, that's pretty genius. Sure, sometimes it goes poorly. But you have to understand that technically every gameline is independent of the other ones. There are werewolves in Vampire and vampires in Werewolf, but they don't NEED to be the same or the same level of power. There's plenty of insane antagonists for both of them

>>97095213
Two were made by an asshat seething about WtA. The one anon linked is /v/-tier just culture war bait

>>97095198
I mean, White Wolf hired lots of good writers, but they didn't have a unified and cohesive vision. Every book was basically that bunch of writer's interpretation of the World of Darkness, with no agreed lore bible for them all to go back to and ground themselves with.

This is both a good and a bad thing. Every World of Darkness game is effectively its own setting, which is awful for the people who obsess over an unified cross-splat World of Darkness and for the people who want a single coherent mood and theme shared by all of the games, but is great for the people who are able to appreciate all of the different games in different ways.

>>97095213
>The setting schizophrenia is actually what makes the setting so endearing
When it comes to power level slap fights its really not

>>97095332
People who do that are misinterpreting the setting, as are the people who try to run a unified World of Darkness instead of favouring a focal splat.

>>97095198
This is shit stirrer. He's linking one of his low effort bait threads. Do not engage.

>>97095443
How is he wrong though? White wolf writers formed tribes and shit. They actively went out of their way to ruin the charm of the other splats they didn’t personally like. People sent death threats to whoever wrote the Avatar storm because “waaah mages are too cosmic while vampires are street level that’s no fair waaah bring mages back down to earth on our turf waaah”.

>>97095539
The Avatar Storm was introduced by the original writers of Mage because Mage had bloated into something absurd that they had never intended and they wanted to bring it back down to earth. That one was less a case of inter-splat sabotage, more case of the original Mage team toning things and shifting the focus away from inter-planetary turf wars across the Umbral solar system.

>>97095693
>the original Mage team toning things and shifting the focus away from inter-planetary turf wars across the Umbral solar system.
cowards

>>97095693
So they were retarded and didn’t know what their fans even wanted. Got it. I’m actually quite familiar with the hatred for the old Mage writers. Especially Brucato.

At ••••• Resources or Fame isn't the Masquerade basically impossible to maintain? If you have the level of global recognition as Ryan Gosling with the wealth of Elon Musk how the fuck are you gonna do vampire shit?

>>97095727
I can sympathise with them. How the fuck are you meant to make the ToJ books feel impactful when mages are already soaring around the cosmos throwing spirit bombs at each other without a care in the world?

>>97093690
I was thinking a modern prosthetic you enhance to feel as seamless as possible. Life could work but Prime would probably be the beter complementary sphere.

>>97095729
>5 resources
>making the masquerade impossible
Uh okay, anon. Not like it wouldn't become easier when you have 5 in resources. The world doesn't need to know you have that much unless you're a lotto winner that wants everyone to know.
As for fame, it's a different beast. Because you can apply the idea of when you were famous. Your time past but you're still remembered. If someone stops you, you can say you're a celebrity impersonator that impersonates yourself. The kine are pretty easy to trick but you just have to be more careful

>>97095729
Something something Panama Papers and proxies.

>>97095805
I guess I'm thinking that for a majority of people, we probably didn't know shit about the CEO who got smoked, but when you are that rich you are gonna get watched by a lot of people. Eventually someone is gonna figure out that there's a highly secretive billionaire out there who coincidentally looks like Elvis Presley.

>>97095841
Becomes a recluse with your own sovereign island nation and run stuff through proxies. Your options and methods become a lot more varied and deep when you have Wayne and Stark money. It's telling on your would-be lack of skill if you can't effectively hide.

>>97095729
If Lestat can do it I can do it

>>97093864
I say this with all due respect, I really wish I saw whatever you guys see in Dreaming but the poetic musings are only pissing me off more than anything. I hope you have a good time with the game but I really have grown to hate it.

>>97095729
Wish I had the image on hand but there was this news article about several suspected shell companies having CEOs who were over 120 years old (one person in all recorded history lived past 120 years). Where there's a will and hundreds of proxies there's a way

>>97095729
>proxies
>underlings
>makeup
Remember Caville's Superman being recognized but his Clark Kent being just another dude? It's that easy when you consider how self-absorbed and apathetic the modern human is

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>>97095115
And for the more punk badboy vibes instead of trustful kiddie

>>97096011
>Fae Abominations operating on a blue orange spectrum
>The decline of the human spirit through banal pursuits and combatting it
>Being a le whacky fun guy for once
I see the appeal, it's interesting enough for what it is but I can understand why other anons see this and go
>Woah, that's fucking gay
>I think I'm going to willingly be an Autumn Person
That sort of thing

>>97096080
What even classifies someone as an Autum Person? I think your average Joe has 7 banality by default. Does being a sane and rational adult count as being banal?

>>97096125
Nah, an Autumn person is someone who specifically goes out of their way to make things around them more banal, not just your average joe working a 9 to 5.
It's someone who rips up their child's drawing to make them study, removes even nice looking graffiti because they want that wall to be grey-brown or the type of person who just loves tearing others down for being different and looks for any excuse to do so.

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What is his Tradition?

>>97096193
Someone who calls another person'd hobby le gae in an attempt to dissuade them from it, for instance
>>97096125
I assume you can have a 1 banality Autumn person as long as they try spreading it, though inevitably it will turn you into Sunday Friend

In the ghouls fatal addiction book iirc, it mentions that when vampires do reward ghouls with sex, it's usually oral. Which almost seems more demeaning, if the vampire is the one giving, you know?

>>97096275
Which page is this? I can't ever see a vampire giving head. Outside of a setite, toreador, or a brujah.

>>97096275
>>97096306
Alright, guys, the joke there is that they're giving their ghouls the succ.
As in, the kiss.

>>97096244
Orphan who failed his Euthanatos tryouts.

>>97096359
Look sometimes a kiss can be enhanced with a handjo or a little fingering. Makes 'em fall harder without raising the addiction

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>>97096306
Aha, I found it. Fatal Addiction page 65

>>97095727
Magefags don't deserve what they want, so that's based

>>97096080
My main gripe with it is how pointless the supernatural side comes across and how it fucks with any sense of optimism related to other game lines because it sells itself as the game where you actually try to be a decent person despite it all.
Fuck the vampire who does good despite the hunger. Fuck the werewolf who fight inspite of the hopelessness of the approaching apocalypse. Fuck the mages trying to shape the world into what they believe it's better.

You are a fairy that needs to Larp and avoid j*b applications or else you loose your magic powers/schizophrenia.

>>97096244
Mortal powered by paradox.

Help me with my worldbuilding, /tg/.

The Court in my city has captured a Tzimisce/Caitiff that knows Vissicitude. Since he surrendered and is willing to do almost anything to survive, what stops the whole Court (and maybe some people outside of it) to learn Vicissitude from him? What stops it from just becoming a currency?

Likewise, in canon lore, what stops the Courts of the cities to hoard off rare disciplines from captive cainites, or having their Ghouls Embraced by captive Sabbat members before killing them off and enjoy a childe with, say, Valeren or Obtenebration?

>>97096244
Most obvious Euthanatoi I've ever seen

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Does anyone have that one pic of the werewolf doing the pepe silvia meme? I need it

>>97097127
Well learning a discipline, even with a mentor, tends to be a bit more involved than just taking a nip and thinking you know better. Good luck finding a salubri for Valern, remember rarity exists and I doubt salubri are breaking 100 members globally. As for Obtenebration, well, I think the Lasombra hunting your ass down and beating you to death with your shiny new power is the warning. Hell it doesn't even have to be Lasombra. The Abyss will do it if you aren't careful and someone grasping blindly isn't careful.

>>97097127
The Prince & his Sherrif would MAYBE only let a chosen few to learn it with the express ban that they cannot teach it to others. Remember that it's a weird & disturbing power that other kindred will not see favorably. I would use it as a plot point for something down the road

>>97096936
>sells itself as a game where you actually try to be a decent person despite it all
What do you mean by this? I feel like this easily applies itself to Vampire unless you refer to how Changelings are basically forced into being larpers the same way vampires are forced to drink blood. I don't think this means you NEED to be a decent person though, there's plenty of ways to larp. It's not like you can avoid the job application either, you just have to not OD on Banality while you do it

>>97096275
>which almost seems more demeaning, if the vampire is the one giving
This sounds like the opposite of demeaning though
>>97096580
>ghouls are perverse
>overeager libido
>communal concubines
This is one of the greatest things I've read on here since Drow

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>>97097166
Ah nevermind. Found it

>>97097225
I feel this is the more "correct" interpretation though depending on the players and parties involved it could be different. Maybe a certain elite selection of the Prince's Pets are allowed to actually learn a little bit of Vicissitude as a reward for doing especially well

>>97097281
The big bad vampire lady is really going to be okay with giving a kine some sloppy? In an ideal situation (me) the answer would be yes but the wod dating sim was several threads ago

>>97097325
That wasn't really a dating sim. It was some anon's half-assed idea.

>>97097325
>big bad vampire lady
Vampire lady will step on you after dominating you, give you an unenthusiastic footjob, and then blow you when her fascination reaches it's peak with your competence before ditching you to be an addict
>t. Wang
The Hobo game apparently features a scene like this if you go through with the obviously terrible idea of romancing the vamp lady instead of being part of joining the 4man thinblood polycule (gae)

>>97092069
Show some respect. He shot Lucifer. Christ compelled him.

>>97096580
>the writer's barely disguised fetish

>>97097641
I'd respect in any capacity if he got up after Lucy got him back.

>>97097667
Is this worse or are the Drow worse?

>Who did "sub splats" best?
Vampire: Ghouls
Werewolf: Kinfolk
Mage: Sorcerers
Changeling: Kinain
Mummy: Cult of Osiris members
Demon: Thralls
Wraith: Mediums

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>>97097728
The Drow are too terrible to mention...

>>97097767
Were Sorcerers not a Mortal sub splat rather than Mages? and I thought Wraith sub splat was Risen? I'd have to say though the Kinfolk experience is unmatched levels of victimhood

>>97097767
Sorcs>Kinain>Thralls=Risen>Ghouls>Kinfolk

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>>97094060
Yeah, but the writers clearly ripped off Bayonetta.

Is there any particular reason for the bloodlines sheriff's pinkeye?

>>97094296
What did you think of their ability to spout holy water?