Morningtide's Light Edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-november-10-2025>NewsThe 2025 Magic Con and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>97080543>TQFavorite 4 mana sorcery?
To expand on buying cards from auctions from the last thread, has anyone here tried treasuremage.com? It seems good enough to look in to just from first glance.
>>97090886You should spend 20 bucks and find out. It looks annoying having to wait hours for the chance at a card. TQ; Hate this card. Lets just give dredge 32 starting life to your 8 life.
>>97090886dude just proxy anything that's over like 25 centsthere's no reason to play sanctioned tournaments anymore, so why buy into the system?
>>97090886As long as you keep in mind you have to pay for attempts/bids, so even if you don't win a card and get nothing, you have to spend money. Theoretically if you get even one bomb/expensive card for a huge reduction you should be up in profits, but in exchange you have to eat losses until you get one. Also their buyout prices don't seem much lower than just buying the card outright, so you're gambling someone won't waste your attempts in a bidding war.
>>97090912Can someone explain to me why dredge isn't modern playable when this, vengewine and other shit exists?
>>97090973Maybe everyone just sucks
>>97090973Solitude exists.
>>97090973dredge is playable just tier 2it folds to all the modern horizons value piles is the thing
>>97090973Dredge looks extremely powerful until you remember you can have a 4 minute turn of setup and then be instantly kneecapped by one (1) card since graveyard hate has costed literally 0 since Ravnica.
>>97090973its playable its just not top tier which is usually all anyone cares about
>>97091016>>97091050Got a T2 list?>>97091029Is there not enough enchantment hate or does slow the deck down too much?
>>97090973modern dredge is definitely playablehttps://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7435357#onlinehttps://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7437963#onlinehttps://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7440903#onlinehttps://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7443770#onlinehttps://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7445353#onlinehttps://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7447445#onlinehttps://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7456811#onlineall of these are from this month
>>97091060i dont personally play it but you can probably just copy some random league list to moderate success https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/dredge/decks
>>97091080>>97091061Cheers
>13 bans in Standard>only viable decks are pig slop>5 more years of pig slop IP guaranteed >still zero mono white standard decks Lies made, lies fulfilled
Can I ask an honest question, I spend 1000 dollars on a commander i can play for EVER until cards are banned damn near....you play standard that 1000.....every 3 months....yes UB gets alot of hate, but honestly without sonic, Optimus, Cloud, Kefka, Tifa....I wouldn't have played the game again....it was dieing for me...it did die...and I came back 5 years later happier then ever....magic did its job....it allowed me to GATHER again, you play angels and vampires, I play robots and hedgehogs...whats the problem, honestly though?
>>97090973Its playable but its actually really hard to beat hate. Surgical is one thing the current dredge configuration is built such that even if the Phoenixes get removed it can still win via burn, but youre going to get fucked by Ashiok, which is the GY hate of choice by grindier decks looking to beat Titan. Its an OK option, just know that youre basically playing a gimmick deck.>>97091061To be fair, majority of those wins are from Sodek and DredgeGuy, and theyre really really good at playing the deck.
>>97091219>theyre really really good at playing the deck.that's fair but dredge isn't a very complex deck, it's just uniqueif you sink about 10 games into it, you might not be an expert to when to dredge loam vs take a draw but you'll certainly understand how the deck functions
>>97091256The hard part is playing against hate. Game 1 is almost always a gimme, but post SB is what separates good players. You'll have situations where its not actually correct to pitch phoenixes off looting or gaze so you can bait out surgicals. The UR prowess matchup is especially frustrating because its correct to not attack with phoenix before you atleast gain a buffer with Chill.
>>97091146This game wasn't meant for you. Now it's not meant for me. Just because standard decks rotate doesn't mean you lose the cards. The rotation gives stores product to sell and a reason to host tournaments. Rotation also means powercreep doesn't have to exist. But now there designing for commander, creating abomination cards. Then that shit is pumped into standard. Look at Sephiroth, a 3/3 for 3 that replaces itself on entry while being a win condition. If you use his win condition he flips; you get an emblem, an uninteractable game effect. Then he will draw you cards for the late game. He can even be your commander!!! This card is insanely broken but still isn't strong enough to be a tier 1 standard deck.If you don't understand how the game has changed because all formats have been powercrept by cards meant for commander. Then you are to dumb to play pre 2019 MtG.
with the exception of the singleton boseiju, this is basically a 2019 gaak list and I think that's pretty cool
>>97091146why are you boomertyping
>>97091146This is why you gatekeep.Vermins like this faggot, ironically or not, is why we failed so hard.We all failed so hard to keep this absolute tastelet retards out of our game, and that's why Corpo Hasbro now is thorwing away the actual Magic player base to replace it with this kind of drones that enjoy "robots and hedgehogs"
Robots are cool though.
>>97090973Everyone else is wrong. No one runs enough graveyard hate these days for that to be a serious issue. The real problem is that it's too slow to race and doesn't have enough interaction to grind.
Standard as WotC intended is such fucking unfathomable shit I am struggling to comprehend how any of the people responsible for this atrocity still have jobs.
>>97091495Dei hires are usually untouchable.
>>97091385
Something about this art makes me skeptical about lorwyn
>>97091529>calls that newbie a faggot>leavesworks every time
>>97091534Make the elves fags, but at least make them broken. I need them to be relevant again. There has not been a non-pauper elf deck that was atleast tier 2 ever since bowmasters was printed
>>97091534That's just how that artist draws men.
>>97091534Lorwyn is now homosexual… Feels very bad anons…
>>97091545
>>97091538>Over 9000 hours in ms paint
>>97091534For me, it's the butterfly lamb
>>97091581>TereseI miss her
>>97091545Cathar Commando looks normal
>>97091571
>>97091553oof.
>>97091553Always was, always will be. Maro is on our side now chuds. MtG is selling better than ever. You lost. Deal with it white man!
>>97091321There was a tournament sometime this year that involved an ANT deck taking top 8; the list was an exact copy of one from 2 or 3 years ago, apart from 1 surveil land, which was nice to see. That's how eternal formats are supposed to be.
Deck update.Inti's Trample enabling helps force Chainsaw damage through. He's good, maybe as a 1 or 2-of though. We'll see.A lot of pondering was done about 1-drops. Ruin-Lurker Bat, though it doesn't exactly fit with the theme of the deck, fills many rolls. Card selection is always huge. An evasive body to carry Chainsaws is what's most relevant, and the Lifelink alongside Chainsaw means titanic he can support titanic life swings even when blocked.Arabella puts in tons of work every time she appears. If she ever attacks, ever, it's usually for 10-20 damage. Which is nuts.
>>97091664>he cut firebender ascensionnot like this, bros...
https://youtube.com/shorts/567uOW4NRLU>These are the dumbass normies propping up UBWe do NOT want people like this in MtG
>>97091586Honey, sweetie that's a woman.
>>97091775so its only guys then?
>>97090837So what are the odds we get a better generic tribal wincon in the Lorwyn set than this overpriced piece of commander fodder?
>>97091767buy an add
I’ve ordered proxies for two premodern decks. Are you proud of me /mtg/?The basic lands will be the only real cards.
>>97091545more like the Fagkeeperget it?
>>97091974>not proxying the basics as well
do you guys like have a play group or something?
>>97092002i just go to draft and modern night at my lgs 2 or 3 times a month but its usually the same handful of people every time if that counts
>>97092006in person? gross. i mean online, playing on tabletop sim or something
>>97091992I still have enough from my portal 2 days. It was where I got started with mtg.
>>97092007We buy our cards around here
>>97092031>giving your money to a megacorpo run by a whole bunch of leftoid gender worship cultists for literal cardboard
>>97092046I'm so sorry you are the way you are and this is how you behave. I hope you are young and get better or just get better. It's not your fault, but you can be better.
>>97091701It's good but having literally fucking nothing to spend the mana on means it is not very good.
>>97092054sounds like i broke the bot
Why does no bot on mtgo have uncommon/common avatar eternal cardsI want fucking cracked earth technique god damn it
I think I'm going crazy. I recently stumbled into a funny interaction between the shaku and Leyline of singularity, where they allow you to untap the shaku by tapping itself because the shaku is now legendary. The thing is, I can't find a single reference to this interaction anywhere, and the obvious combo of this with Mesmeric orb is also not mentioned anywhere.So, that gives, am I missing something that wouldn't allow this to work?
>>97092315Because it's a 3+ card combo that usually involves cards way easier to go infinite with than 2 hard garnets.
>>97092326That's not really an explanation, most combo repositories are mostly 4+ card combos requiring 6+ mana just to activate, so the fact this combo is nowhere isn't explained by the onvious fact it sucks.
>>97092334Okay, it works but it sucks so nobody thought to document it.
>>97090837>TQ>Favorite 4 mana sorcery?BOOMhttps://youtu.be/zvG_rfQJ3fQ?t=51
>>97092386Destroy ALL creatures
>>97092386>>97092390Why is it just wrath but regenerate still works?
>>97092315>Mesmeric Orb + Basalt Monolith?>No!>I'll run Mesmeric Orb + Leyline + Shaku!okay
>>97090837>TQ
>>970924083W is easier to cast than 2WW
Where's our 2WW exile all nonland permanents
>>97092414too bad, nuMagic hates land destruction
>>97092430Cheapest I’ve seen is 3WW. The original is still the best.
>>97090837white is just getting fog stapled on to every other card now it feels
>Looking through all the secret lair cardsSome are beautiful like the Peach Momoko cards. But most are just slop that’s advertising something else. My least favourite are the ones you can’t even read. 90% of them look like shit. Who buys this rubbish?
>>97091604he went in even faster?
>>97091385Reserve list won, it has successfully gatekept two (2) formats from newer players
>>97092576>caring about the RLI won a legacy tournament with a dozen proxies in it, most judges (or players for that matter) don't know how to identify counterfeits
>>97092408It's from the time when wotc was phasing out real world elements, and being weird deciding what to do with regeneration (ditching it vs making it more relevant)
>>97092709Ironically Regenerate is probably going to become more relevant than ever. WotC is spamming Indestructible and now they're spamming anti-Indestructible, which makes Wrap in Vigor suddenly extremely powerful.
>>97092733yup, I was surprised when this card got spoiled but it does look like that's the direction they're taking
>>97092746I think it's partially for commander where people play shit like Avacyn
>>97092750Who was this card built for?
>>97090837Why is this a sorcery? Yes, it can be used offensively, but not being able to use it reactively to protect your own board is disgusting.
>>97092753Strong white cards, anon
>>97092753Probably there is a flash enabler in the set
>>97090837if someone blinks with this and i cast stomp, i can still deal damage, right?
>>97092905yes, stomp beats any type of damage prevention
Eldraine is the gritty fairy tale plane now.
>>97092937Always has been.
>>97091553A-are those kithkin?
>>97093033Yes. Same-sex interracial polygamic relationship.
>Momo allows for turn 2 quantum riddlerWild that this interaction isn't standard playable
>>97093127>this interaction isn't standard playablebut it isand I even have video proofhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSbXeVHWmVU
>>97090837>Favorite 4 mana sorcery?Easy
>>97091553I miss racist elves.
>>97092564He gone!
>>97091534Ominous.Perhaps our uncanny valley is activating once more.>>97091529If bike cuck were honest he would say that his main purpose is to parasitize off the hobby and the work those who came before him did, and dump immediately the hobby once like an insect he's eaten all the flesh from the inside.Once again bike cuck demonstrates that he deserves cancer, but that's his gig, pissing people off because that's the only power he'll ever have.The equivalent of laughing at a father who lost her daughter because a drunktard ran her over from behind with a car.Always remember that the empathy crowd are mentally ill demons filled with envy and hate and you represent a menace to them by simply existing.Also maro has made clear in his entire career that if you are a white person he wants you removed from the gene pool and he hates magic with all his being and to him magic is just a prostitute to use for his own ends and then ground into fertilizer once it has been squeezed dry.
>>97091553Lorwyn (((eclipsed))) looks like bootleg bloomburrow which is a set that was bootleg lorwyn.Disgusting/10.
>>97093386>its important to shove modern oppression politics into fantasyBut why though?
>>97093397Modern oppression politics that are just television made up bullshit, mind you.
>>97093386>a father who lost her daughter
>>97093384in?
can someone ask maro what does the design team think is a healthy median turn to victory in standard? i'd love to see him weasel out of that one
>>97093420I remember some article saying standard is a turn 4 or 5 format when they banned leyline of resonance in arena
>>97093386I've hated Mark rosewater since 2005. He never disappoints. Truly he is remarkable in his hate-ability.
>>97093366Aw shit, is that the final volume promo?
>>97093386I hate this trans shit being forced everywhere, I like a hot tranny as much as every other heterosexual but I recently clicked on profs video and saw Jesse in a nightgown which make me sick. Like is it too much to ask for people to cover themselves? I wouldn't want to see prof in a nightgown either, it's too fucking much
>>97091529>I came to destroy your hobby and then leave and you need to shut up about it>take naruto vs urza and stop being a whiny incel about itLiteral rapist mentality.
>>97093438>I clicked on a video of a guy whose entire writing staff is dudes in dresses and I was appalled to see it had a dude in a dress, how could this have happened to me?
>>97093397Because culture war bullshit generate engagement. Why do you think a shitton of pajeets were pretending to be white nationalist on twitter?
>>97093431Yup. Funnily enough you can import the final volume for cheaper than buying the promo as a single
>modern "affinity">it's actually improvise
>>97093445I can just wait until the last one comes out here, we're at 6 now so it should take just over a year or so. Yakumo best girl.
>>97093447Kinda funny how people predicted this card is going to break modern and it's completely unplayable even with moxes
>>97093441If urza is to have a peer then they will have to print universe beyonds Goku.
>>97093420Maro only ever answers questions that are praising him/wizards/hasbro, scripted questions and questions he can hold against you.
if it's a girl: Thalia, Guardian of Thrabenif it's a boy: Delver of Secrets Nonbinary: +1 +1 counter
>>97093452Isn't artifacts pretty high up right now? I haven't really touched Modern since pre guildpact leyline rhinos.
>>97093457This is the truth. Sometimes I think he writes his own questions he wants to answer.
>>97093457I don't know man, he spends a lot of time trying to damage control there because Blake is too retarded to do the job he was hired to do.
>nonstop panicking for weeks saying standard would be nothing but RDW>this card isn't even played anywhereApologize
>>97093456>Goku: Let's fight somewhere empty>Both Goku and Urza teleport themselves to Pioneer
>>97091529Bike cuck is the poster child of the faggot who didn't know what a videogame even was until big bang theory started talking about halo.
>>97093420>>97093457found it, kinda. it doesn't straight up say what turn format standard is but you can read between the lines
>>97093442>people think women could delve into minute details of card rulings and make in-depth videos explaining them
>>97090837Does no one else care how fucking fast standard is? Getting mana screwed now is just missing your 4th land drop. Used to be if you missed a land drop here or there you could make do by dumping a few mana into a draw spell. Now if you play instant/sorcery draw or ever spend your mana on something besides a creature that drops two bodies when it enters or dies, your fucking die next turn.I'm getting seriously fucking bored of this shit. Who enjoys every game ending on turns 3 or 4 because one player hit their snowball combination of cards? It's either I play reanimator and flood the board turn 4, or I play aggro and flood the board turn 4, or play landfall and flood the board turn 4. There's a handful of meta decks I see that actually beat me with creatures that do something besides breed mana/statlines like rabbits, and I respect them, but half the time it's just an annoying insta loss because I can't just build a deck designed to counter 1/4 of a meta where non-snowball-value strategies are shrinking every day.
>>97093494You realize people were losing on turn 2 in Standard a few months ago, right?
>>97093452>it's completely unplayable even with moxesnigga, affinity is the 5th most played archetype right now>>97093462yes, the guy is either retarded or pretending to be
>>97093494Yes, Standard is as fast as Modern was a decade ago
>>97093457Mark Rosewater will be remembered as the man who perverted MtG. Richard Garfield will be remembered as the greatest card game designer.
>>97093508>5th played deckhttps://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=77167&f=MO
>>97093504Oh yeah I realize alright. That doesn't make this any better. >>97093510It is but in a much gayer, lamer way because it has zero access to the removal from modern that makes ridiculous value snowball piles less possible.
>>97093525Mark only does a third of the sets now, just think that there's multiple other lead designers who fuck up in equal measure.
>>97093541on goldfish, yeah, but if you want to cherrypick events I can do that toohttps://mtgtop8.com/event?e=77166&d=785669&f=MOhttps://mtgtop8.com/event?e=77191&d=785823&f=MOhttps://mtgtop8.com/event?e=76991&d=784309&f=MOthe claim being made is affinity is unplayable, I don't remember the last time an "unplayable" archetype got multiple challenge top8s in the same week
>>97093569It barely ekes out a meager metashare as nobody runs real hate
Karn, Scion of Urza used to see play in modern etron a couple years ago, but I couldn't find any recent list with him.Is he too slow?
>>97093525You don't even know what Garfield thinks of things. Garfield is pro-UB and pro-EDH.
>>97093545Alpha had 17 members working on it. No one cares about the people in the background. Carmen Klomparens worked on MH3 but no one cares about her enough to make a custom card.
>>97093613None of those 17 were leads. Also a third of them were not even deisngers, they were just people Dick played bridge with.
>>97093610I got the impression that he is annoyed no one cares about his other games. He follows the rule of 'If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all.'
>>97093636That's not Vanguard Exiles.
>>97093473>THE BREWER'S PARADISE>THE FORMAT WITHOUT POWERCREEP>PLAY YOUR OLD STANDARD CARDS THERE!>AFFORDABLE AND ACCESSIBLE!>KEEP YOUR DECK FOREVER!>PLENTY OF OTHER PEOPLE TO PLAY WITH
>>97093610He always gives mega-milquetoast answers. I've only ever seen him say stuff like, "If the players want it, then it's cool."In his interview with the Professor (which was relatively recent, and mentioned both UB and EDH), he said his favorite format was draft.
>>97093417No he died
>>97093610>so tell me, Richard, do you like UB and secret lairs?>y....yes brian....
Playing 1 for 1 removal feels so fucking bad now. If it's not a cheaper creature with multiple bodies on etb, it's ward. And if it's not ward, it's something that punishes you for playing cards on your opponents turns/killing their creatures/playing non-reature spells. And if it's none of those, and your removal sticks, you get to watch them drop another must-answer-or-die threat on their next turn.Why does WotC hate interaction so fucking much? It doesn't matter how much cheap removal they print if the same or lower cost creatures are genuinely too much value to effectively answer with it. They'll have to start printing murder on a stick at 2 cmc pretty soon.
>>97093613Thats a man isnt it
>>97093443>the MIGA retard still thinks the guys who own 99% of the wealth and can print fake money out of thin air ad infinitum and lend them as a debt on which they charge interests on are after the moneyNow it's clear why they call you cattle.
>>970937031-1 removal only feels bad with those creatures that become enchantments when they dieWhat a design choice
>>97093710Worse, he's a man who's using what's left of his male brain power to pretend he's a smart woman to make women look good in order to have his revenge on the chads who fucked the whores he didn't get to fuck in high school.
>>97093583that's moving the goalpost, a deck is either unplayable or not, and affinity is definitely playable
>>97093613Daily reminder that this troon has personally attested to designing both Psychic Frog and Sowing Mycospawn and still has a job.
>>97093738He probably got a raise for it.
>>97090837>TQno, I don't have a gambling problem
>>97093738I thought she was a slam piggy. It appears she has a mustache in this photo. Trans fats, where their gender becomes jiggly/blob
>>97091529WAAChuds are the only real gatekeepers.This is why pauper is flourishing while other formats fucking die.
>>97093811Damn all these years of complaining about waac maybe they were right after all
>>97093443I highly doubt this is an >all publicity is good publicitySituation
>>97093636King of Tokyo is successful
>>97093792>Wants to ramp opponents into their better creatures in EDH.You could play removal tribal into a 4 mana Emrakul
>>97093494And yet…….No powerful white cards. Hmm. Interesting.
>>97093395Don't you dare insult Bloomburrow
>>97093610(X) DoubtI dont think Richard Garfield would ever allow the absolute rape his perfect game is suffering from a lot of angles: Design, marketing, target audience and artistic direction.
>>97093991yiff in hell furfag
>meta shifted into full anti-creature to handle the badger of course my shitbrew now gets fucking hosed
>>97094019>redwall is furry nowStop being a faggot
>>97093472the meta hasn't settled yet plus RDW got hit with the bans
The meta is clearly Simic cub and Dimir midrange with 3-4 color slop decks climbing over each other while getting stomped by the previously mentioned top 2
>>97094193wait I was told izzet was the strongest deck again
>>97093472too many chump blockers in the meta studying if i can fit evasion into the combo without bricking the deck significantly
>>97094200It’s tier3 at best since it folds to Sultai reanimator and Simic cub
>>97091505unless they are replaced by AI
>>97094278don't see how it folds to simic cub when it can play torch the tower / combustion technique and gets access to fire magic post boardDimir reanim also tends to lose G1 to reanimator so it is what it is anyways
>>97093472everyone and their mother is running instant removal out the ass to deal with dimir and the cub
>>97091129Pig slop isn't UB, thoughever. It's cummander.
Anyone have any tips on building a brawl deck?
>>97094469No.
>>97094469standard brawl or historic brawl?
>>97094469Yeah, look at mtgtop for duel commander lists
>>97094473Regular Brawl, the 100 card one. I'm assuming thats the historic one?
>>97094505then do this >>97094495
>>97094469>>97094505Put ravagan as your commander. Wait for your opponents to concede after your drop him t1
>>97093472People don't appreciate just how stupidly broken Slickshot is.
>>97094495>>97094512Thanks.>>97094528I was planning on building a squirrel deck with Camellia and a lot of food token stuff.
>>97094469Go to /edhg/ for your cummaner pigslop.
With the amount of 3 toughness must-remove 2 drops, what makes lightning bolt and counterspell too powerful for standard?
>>97094613They get in the way of the pushed creatures being showcased at top tables.
>>97094617Ah understandable my bad. Waiter, another pushed bear please!
>>97094613They prevent WOTC from printing these absurdly overpowered 2 drops like Vivi, Firebending Student, and Badgermole.
>>97094635Um akshully vivi 3 cmc mkay? Hes balanced
Is current standard stronger than pre-MH1 modern? Should we give the format a free counter spell?
>>97094703>Is current standard stronger than pre-MH1 modern?for sure>Should we give the format a free counter spell?nope, free shit never gets used the way it's intended
>>97094703>Should we give the format a free counter spell?Not as long as Riddler is legal.
>>97094703Could this Jeskia control list survive in standard? I think it could, it has Jace the Waller Sculptor
>>97094703Free spells are almost always broken as fuck.
More pieces coming in and out.The realization that you can just fucking bulldoze over threats of basically any size with Chainsaw and tokens swarms takes a lot of pressure off of removal. Stadium Headliner plugs any extra gaps, too. So all the extra removal is gone. Now is the time for RUTHLESS AGGRESSION.Honestly, this plan has such a deep card pool I can't imagine it won't end up close to Tier 1 in some form. I have almost 100 cards in "Considering' and all of them seem good in at least some context.The huge life swings it can pump out with Lifelink+Chainsaw or Arabella crush aggro. Windcrag Siege goblins are basically unsolvable for Midrange, outside of a counterspell. Cori Mountain Monastery gives it extra gas against control. The list feels like it has all of its bases covered.
>>970947032019 Tron is to slow for 2025 standard. Gone are the days of Mine, Map, Pass>>97094761Jace the Wallet Sculptor
>>97094779triple kino list
>>97094779>Angels with chainsaws leading armies of goblins>Only one UB card and it's a land you could easily cut.
>>97094779>StranstardYou lost me chief.
>>97094779I'm enjoying your progress on this, it's pretty much exactly the lines of what I like to play so once you seem to have settled on a list I might try recreating it in arena with some of the wildcards I've been hoarding
>>97094703>is standard stronger than whirza and hogaak?no? what are you on about
nvm I'm retarded
Just a reminder that this is the company that thought stickers were a good idea for eternal formats
>>97095202Black border silver border was such a profoundly retarded thing to do. Literally only made from last second greed, the motivation was "people buy less packs when the cards aren't comp legal. Make them legal"
>>97094779Thoughts on fire bending ascension?
>>97093472It's actually the most fair deck in standard.Either you assemble the combo on turn 3-4 and dunk, or flounder and lose.
would it have been enough to get people actually playing vintage if they were legal?
>>97095246no because it cost too much
>>97095246Just spend $3,099 just to play a coin flip format
>>97095246the packs are still too expensive so not likely and at best it would see vintage decks drop to the price of legacy decks which is still too prohibitively expensive for the average player
>>97095246No, all it'd do is highlight how expensive the format is.
>>97095222>Thoughts on fire bending ascension?It's very good and won many games but the strategy ended up having zero mana sinks.The times when it ended up as a literal Grizzly Bear (Which red should not get, btw) and outweighted the games where it BTFO'd.
>>97094956>I'm enjoying your progress on this, it's pretty much exactly the lines of what I like to play so once you seem to have settled on a list I might try recreating it in arena with some of the wildcards I've been hoardingIf you do put it together, post any upgrades you make.
Proxies are piracy
>>97093991>the sneedmister
>>97095368UMMMMM INCELL? HELLLOOOO? TRY TO BE MORE INCLUSIVE NEXT TIME.ALRIGHT?ALRIGHT.
>>97095368>>97095392
>>97094703Free counterspells were always a mistake.
>>97095405Free spells in general have always been on the edge between "very strong" and "overpowered".
>>97095405foil is cool
>>97095392>MaRo approves of my big tiddy Teysa goth mommy altersBASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED
>>97095392so just call UB "magic 2" so real magic can be just be called magic then
>>97095415Enjoy your pringles
>>97095202No, they knew it was a shit idea and made them underpowered on purpose so people wouldn't have to play with them in competitive format, but turn out they are so incompetent they managed to make one playable in legacy and end up banning the whole thing.
>>97095450I wish they made this guy black bordered. Imagine the constant mini game of me pulling this bastard out of my sleeves, and sliding him under my lands
>>97095475wrong version, the errata killed this card ;_;
>>97095418anon, why don't you post tiddie edits anymore
>>97094332They start with the whities first. Soon it will just be a bunch of browns, queers, and "nonbinary indigenous" grifters who are even more white than me using AI to shit out slop.
>>97095450MAKE FUN CARDSTHE MAJORITY OF STICKER CARDS ARE ETERNAL
Oh and reading the ban announcement I found this gem. "The idea was so good we won't do it again"
>>97094779I have the urge to shove fomo in there because of the card type distribution and minor synergy with windcrag siege, so I'll be stealing this list
>>97095578>I have the urge to shove fomo in there because of the card type distribution and minor synergy with windcrag siege, so I'll be stealing this listhey turns out untapping all the creatures at once then getting two extra combats isn't actually much better than just one extra combat.
>>97095544I'm surprised this card hasn't taken off. It enters untapped and taps all colors but blue in my current fit
>>97095649It has the accorn symbol,it's the equivalent of silver border so it's not legal in any format.
At this point with UB in full force, anime, capeshit, sci fi and ridiculous real world stuff into Magic i'm now rooting for more stupid mechanics like stickers across all formats.
>>97095368If they’re going to charge outrageous prices people will turn to proxies. A lot of commons and uncommons are cheaper as legit cards. It’s a market problem, cardboard just isn’t worth as much as they claim.
>>97095345I doubt I'll be in any position to make any improvements on it, I don't have the cards, I don't have the game knowledge, and I don't have the opponents to accurately evaluate whether they were good changes. But I'll post about how I get on.
>>97095337How about if you mostly forget about the token and focus on extra mobilise triggers etc?
>>97095879>How about if you mostly forget about the token and focus on extra mobilise triggers etc?The 4 counter threshhold is low enough to happen but not low enough to be consistent. I'd rather just play a better body that is a threat on its own.
>>97095202imagine being such a retard that you make Yu-Gi-Oh! look good by comparison. that's so WOTC
>>97093420The answer is: who cares about 60-card formats lmao
>>97095483>Opponent looks at his library as he cracks a fetch>I slide 500 Cheatyfaces from my sleeve onto the field>He finishes searching his library and notices>I inform him he did not notice "right away" because he didn't look up from searching his library
>>97095475>>97095483Is the point of the errata to say he has to be in your hand to do it?
>>97095483>cram a Chestyface into 1 sleeve eith each card in my deck (so they're not marked and thus legal)>at the end of turn take out every cheatyface out of the sleeves of cards that are already on the field with them
>>97096480Even better, use Cheatyface as a token so it's in a perpetual superposition of just being a token (your opponent is slowplaying if they call it out as Cheatyface) and being a token + Cheatyface
>>97095649I'm not wearing a top ;)
my wife, skipping into battle
>>97096746Working on my Girth Bending
>>97096746not magic the gathering.
>>97096964See >>97091146
>>97091146So, where did you copy this from? Youtube? Reddit? Boomerbook?
>>97096972Boomerbook. As far as I could tell it was a genuine comment.
Why do MTG influencers keep saying avatar limited is great when it's all about drafting white
>>97096984Spiderman set a very low bar. With that said, the bending mechanics are fun to play with a few times before you realize it's a solved format.
>>97096984I've played it a few times. From what they were saying I thought I would love it. Maybe even want to make another set cube for it. Having played it now it's really nothing special. I like clues and firebending. Clues are always fun for sac decks and card draw. Firebending is great flavor and a satisfying mechanic that encourages attacks.But those aren't the best decks. Earthbending feels like such an asspull mechanic, "oh I was about to kill that land, and cause you an actual problem...oh wait it just came back instead lmao rofl". They clearly changed it last minute to just return your lands no matter.All the commander bombs are also a nuisance. If you want to play them you have to go three colours.I swept the last draft I played in with white/green allies with a splash of blue for aang at the crossroads and katara fearless. It's just not a very inspiring draft format despite having a lot of potential. Somehow having untapped potential feels even worse.
What is the rarest card you own? I've got one of the double sided Angel/Demon foil tokens from the AVR prerelease and despite them being fairly cheap (~50 leafbucks) there are only 30 * 108 or 3240 copies floating around.
>>97097107I'm not sure how you can tell the rarity of a card. But probably the Frank Frazetta secret lair.
>>97097135With the Helvault thing there were a documented amount of the promos sent out which is the only way I was able to determine it.For other stuff you'd probably make estimates based on sales numbers and relative frequency?I have no idea how rare the secret lairs are. I know they were originally made to order during the pre-order period but JotC being dirty kikes started limiting the supply for no reason other than kikery.
>>97097107>What is the rarest card you own?LEB Demonic Tutor.
>>97097107Someone gave me pic related as a Christmas gift for my modern jund brew. I assume it's more rare than a revised Demonic Tutor.
>>97097220Sweet. I've only got white bordered ones. I wish I could get a black bordered version of the original art Dark Ritual.
>>97097267>I wish I could get a black bordered version of the original art Dark Ritual.Yeah that would be sick. Not one I have though. Sold all my Unlimited pieces but just couldn't part with the black borders.
>>97096465The point of the errata is to clarify the intention of the design. You need only look at the other posts surrounding Cheatyface to see why it needed clarification.
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>>97097107I have a misprinted godless shrine. I assume there weren't many of those.
>>97096480>Offer my deck for opponent to cut.>Opponent cuts it.>Turn deck over.>It's all Cheatyface>I put it on my battlefield for them to cut.G2?
>>97094469play counterspell = opponent concedes>>97094574brawl is literally better than edh
playpremodern
They need to add more ways to get flood counters. Its a neat mechanic but it has two things that support it.
>>97097490>brawl is literally better than edhIt's kind of like saying being kicked in the shin is better than being kicked in the balls. It's true but neither is good.
>>97097546I'm surprised they've never tried to make it a tribal mechanic for merfolk. Maybe they'll do that in Lorwyn Eclipsed.
>>97094278>izzet decks of all varieties lose to UG aggro>despite red being the color of cheap board wipes- of which there are multiple playable ones currently- it still loses to the deck that mindlessly makes 1/1s and 2/2s and prays its enoughlollmao
>>97097546It has six cards thoughbeit
>>97097818Technically true, but I don't think anon would run bounty of the luxa since its counters don't help. Quicksilver fountain is more likely to hurt you than help, with the amount of counters you're aiming for. And then there's a UB card.
>>97097620Oh no you pyroclasmed my board guess I’ll just go Jackal into double cub and earthbend twice ggzOh yeah and Ba Sing Se another land :-p
>>97097875>nut draw vs one singular card>has to explain a double nut draw in order to beat a single 2 mana card>it still loses to the second 2 mana card
>>97097818And realistically only two are worth it. No, I am not playing The Flood of Mars.
>>97093525Garfield is a FUCKING hack who bailed basically on magic's infancy, it was everybody else who had to actually dev the game to a playable state, remember if you ever think Garfield was the good guy go play his other games which are filled to the BRIM with dogshit RNG mechanics like Artifact.
>>97097933>if you ever think Garfield was the good guy go play his other games which are filled to the BRIM with dogshit RNG mechanics like Artifact.He has hits and misses. Much like Mark, who is fixated on "Pushing envelopes", Richard is fixated on randomness as a means of creating interesting game states.Richard's design philosophy fails a lot, but it at least is a good philosophy to explore, and an actual philosophy with practical implications. Mark's design ideals are total hogwash.
>>97098017RNG is fucking dumb and no one actually has any fun with it other than mentally crippled gamblers. Anything more random that drawing and using what is in your hand to win is just dumb shit. God Pokemon TCG does this and its so trash, Im 90% sure people only buy that shit cuz of the pretty cards and collectors, not actually for playing.
>>97098028>RNG is fucking dumbAnon...
>>97098028>Anything more random that drawing and using what is in your hand to win is just dumb shitBEHOLDBAD GAME DESIGN
>>97098034Yeah and poker is trash for brain crippled gamblers? Slaps is fun.
>>97097107Technically this, #81But even though they're a bit more available, I feel my more prized card is a PSA 9 Traditional Chinese Gala Greeters, plus they go for about the same price as a serialized Golem actually sells for.
>>97097902>explains a magical Christmasland scenario to beat a tier1 deck>nu uh th-that’s not what’s gonna happen!!Lmao, kwab coping faggot
>>97098028>Anything more random that drawing and using what is in your hand to win is just dumb shit.For what it matters I agree with you and roguelikes in video games make it impossible to quickly achieve expertise because you waste so much time experiencing untested and unplayable states of the game.Poker and Magic randomness is only made tolerable when you consider there are really no more than 13 unique parts in each deck in terms of face cards, suits, and playsets. It is easy to memorize the deck, your deck, and your opponent's deck to minimize random bullshit from interfering with your decisions. Mana screw/flood doesn't feel all that bad when you crank out hundreds of games with a deck.
>>97097933I prefer Netrunner to MtG but basically nobody plays it anymore. The rng was more bluffing than actual coinflips.
>>97098028>Im 90% sure people only buy that shit cuz of the pretty cards and collectors, not actually for playing.I think 90% of people who collect pokemon don’t play. While 90% of MtG collectors play. I like the pokemon tcg although not as much as MtG. Or at least what magic used to be.
Q. Diddler down to $55Badgermole Cub $85crazy
>Across 60 yearsDoes this mean I’ll have to put up with nu trek shit? Will Micheal be on the boosters and box?
>>97098130>Does this mean I’ll have to put up with nu trek shit?It will all be nuTrek. nuTrek rewrote the entire Trek canon, from Pike to STD and beyond.they are going to use the nuTrek canon, not the original canon.
>>97098130>>97098130I hope so that way I’ll never have to see another Star Trek set again. Like how spider man should’ve been with marvel set.
>>97098130>Does this mean I’ll have to put up with nu trek shit? Will Micheal be on the boosters and box?Why do you even feel the need to ask something you know the answer to?Do you just want someone to commiserate?You know the Capital [B]lack captains are going to be front and center alongside Kirk and Picard. Frankly Kirk is so chud coded I'll be surprised if we see anything from TOS beyond Spock and Uhura.
>>97098134I just want Q as a planeswalker. But they don’t seem to like Planeswalkers much anymore.
>>97098141Planeswalker are restricted to in universe sets to protect brand identify.
>>97097107Probably some gold border shit. Gold border Birds of Paradise maybe.I've heard they let you use gold border in Commander now, that's kind of fun. I guess with sleeves being mandatory these days due to dual face cards the different backs don't matter.
>>97098137>Frankly Kirk is so chud coded I'll be surprised if we see anything from TOS beyond Spock and Uhura.We will see Kirk, but it will be on the card "First Interracial Kiss in TV History" for UR and it will be an instant-speed Expressive Iteration.
>>97098144>to protect brand identify.
>>97098144...no they aren't, they were in D&D on characters who can't even planeswalk like Minsc & Boo
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>>97098144Anon, I...
