Previous: >>97111116>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQWhat is the most aesthetic set and why is it 7ed.
>TQodyssey, some of my favorite artworks are in there. dark fantasy and metal vibes throughout. https://scryfall.com/sets/ody?as=grid&order=set
>>97117710Common Rebecca Guay W.
>mass effect secret lair>"we'll bang, ok?" flavor text on shepard cardpleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease
>>97117771
>almost all the new cards in the ff scene box are expensiveI love low print exclusives!
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97117842impossible. This thread ensured me everything would be MSRP
>>97117842Gotta pay for your slop piggy
>>97117871approved UB
>>97117793stat her
>>971179144GGTrample6/6
>>97117700Kino choice>>97117710>>97117771Even more kino choice>>97117842oink oink Final Faggot, pay up for tifa the prostitute!
>>97117842Especially funny for the FF8 box, because every card in it is mechanically fucking DOGSHIT unplayable, literally a box of draft chaff. If you like FF15 at least Noctis and the fishing pole are decent.
Liara 4UULegendary Creature - Alien ArtificerIsland Cycling 1Trample6/6
>>97117842The shit isn't even out yet in half of the US
>>97117948except fated clash
Avatar is out of stock everywhere
>>97117710Based. It also has the best Forest.
>>97117842Where do you even get them?
>>97117237Far Wanderer and run all the lands that tap creatures for mana, vehicles and mounts that flicker.
Anyone gonna cook with her?
>>97118227I mean her
>>97118232all I see is>draw 3 after every combat on your turn with black sac>fling spells draw you 1I feel like I'm missing something. exiling her until end of turn so you can sac the creature without giving it back sounds too costly.
>>97118232>5 mana>the effect already exist but just got some no bad feels wheels slapped onno, thanks.
>>97118232With Roaming Throne or Harmonic, you steal 2 and draw 4 right?
Which way commander man?
>TQ
>>97118274>does triggered ability doubler double triggered ability?yes.
>>97118274Roaming Throne yes (assuming you get both steals killed), Panharmonicon no because neither of those are Enter triggers.
>>97117700>What is the most aesthetic set and why is it 7ed.It's funny. I started playing the game when 7ed was the newest core set and the internet and everyone in every LGS I went to hated the 7th ed aestetic and artwork. 7Ed Serra Angel is the best version.
>>97118274You'd need this to double up both, not harmonic
All my worst experiences in commander stem from enchantments. I fucking hate those pieces of shit. I can't play mono black or Rakdos in peace because ENCHANTMENTS could be here, I thought. I've never been in this pod before. There could be ENCHANTMENTS anywhere. The cool sleeves felt good between my fingers. I HATE ENCHANTMENTS, I thought. Anvil of Crom reverberated my entire table, making it pulsate even as the $0.30 energy drink circulated through my powerful thick veins and washed away my (merited) fear of non-creature permanents after my turn. With a Chaos Warp, you can remove any enchantment you want, I said to myself, out loud.
>>97118326Roaming Throne doesn't care about the type of trigger, so you don't need anything else to double the death triggers.
>>97118345If you want to draw 4 you need something to double the death triggers.
>>97118355anon is assuming you steal 2 creatures and kill both, so you would draw 2x2 cards
>>97118355Roaming Throne doubles the death triggers. Read Edea again, the death triggers are separate from the steal triggers (they're not delayed triggers), and they come from Edea herself. They apply to creatures stolen by other cards too.
>>97118205Amazon has them up for MSRP every other day or so
post your mail day.new project and some fun stuff. cant wait to trigger the lads at the store.
>>97118420Don't see them
>>97118557They go fast, but there's a steady supply
>>97118205mkm
Do you guys have any pet cards you slot into your decks regardless of how good they are? For me it's the Thorn Elemental I got with the learn to play cd rom
>>97118572hope so, the lotr ones were very limited iirc
>>97118589tree of perdition. love all the "make a 1/1 copy" effects recently
>>97118277I literally care for nothing but Roots. 1st feeds Roots. Second doesn't. Ergo first is better
>>97118589Yeah, kinda weird but this little guy always seems to do something good for me
>>97118334Feed the Swarm, Invoke Despair and Withering Torment exist.
Is there a commander that rewards/benefits you for having no card draw/no cards in hand? Narset, Enlighted Master made me realize how freeing it is to build a deck without card draw or ramp
>>97118589ive been trying to make this guy work for the past year and a half
>>97118704Flubs the Fool and Hazoret the Fervent.
>>97118334Extremely based post ....As a mono red player I have a huge amount of problems with enchantments because the only thing that can Target them at all is chaos Warp. It's at the point where I'm running things like meteor sword, meteor golem, cityscape leveler just because enchantments could be anywhere
>>97118723Thanks
>>97118589Love this stupid thing.And for some reason people freak out and waste removal on it when it has 0 to less than 100 counters instead of waiting until it may explode
you deserve to be punished certain ways if you play single color
>>97118704Do you mean narset, jeskai way master(baiter)
>>97118589Mystic reflection.I know it's considered a decent card, but i've often dropped better synergy pieces or lands just to have it in my deck.It's consistently led to quite fun moments at my table.
>>97118741agree but mana fixing is so easy in edh people playing 2 or 3 colours risk nothing
>>97118738All Will Be One is a thing to be fair, this thing doesn't have to explode to be dangerous. You can do all sorts of weird stuff with it.
>>97118743Nah, aside from mana rocks and haste enablers, I want all my cards in my deck
>>97118758that's true. I barely run fixing non-basics in 2c to dodge price of progress effects
>>97118508I like how you post one card at a time every day. Will you eventually share the whole set?
>>97118704Lobotomies are also "freeing", shitter.
>>97118589Kinda the opposite, I started playing during AWBO and I love this guy but I basically can never fit him in a deck
Do I try Commander again or just get into solo board gaming?>Started and stopped in 2018 because local card shop was only faggots and trannies>It is now closed and 3 new ones opened up>I only want to play precons (Mutant Menace and Veloci-ramp-tor look cool)>Or just buy Mage Knight and not risk anymore weird fag interactions
>>97118752Mystic reflection + forbidden orchard goes in all decks, it'll never stop being funny.
>>97118723do you build Flubs as cheerios
>>97118589Quite literally one of the first five cards I put into any green deck, doesn't matter what the theme or strategy is. It always performs.
>>97118994I have literally never had this card perform for me
>>97118589unfortunately not, my pet card is damaged from when I was a kid that didn't understand the value of sleeves and is heavily marked so I just keep it in a spot in my collection
>>97119001>have a 6/6>move to combat>get free(3 mana) card????
>>97119001If you couldnt tell by the cards posted, most anons play in baby pods.
>>97118782My compiled Work can be found here:ln5.sync.com/dl/e6f6e9db0#pdzmq94r-5fvdtcd4-k75tq5is-chi8yvyzThere might still be some changes, so I would refrain from printing. Also, let me know if you spot a mistake.
>>97119022>3 manaYou know you can hideaway anything, right? I used this card in Mr. Orfeo to play last march of the ents on turn 5 and draw 12
>>97119023>wtf why are none of these pet cards good?
>>97119038No need to start floundering insecure-anon
always some faggot that comes in
>>97118572The fuck am I looking at
>>97119089Amazon price tracker. The lows are MSRP the highs are resellers
Post decks
>>97118589Mirrage Mirror. Paying 2 mana to basically copy the best thing on the field sets up some fun effects
What are some fun lesser known cards I can use with this guy? He's been fun to knock heads around with since he can just slap people without much setup. I picked up some of the remaining energy cards I was missing since they're dirt cheap.
>>97119111
>>97118974One way to find out anon, get a deck, get up off your ass and go see
>>97118974I suspect you are a much less pleasant person to be around than you believe. Yknow, if you smell shit everywhere you go you probably stepped in shit.
>>97119182Probably correct>>97119323Not really, I'm pretty reserved and chill. Just get sick of my hobbies being infiltrated with fag mental illness.
You now remember swordbro
>>97118974EDH is just a fun way to use your magic cards. If you want board games play board games
>>97119351Yeah and i remember that one schizo loser who was obsessed with himSwordbro was just a funny little guy who liked to post his cool mishra deck and he didnt even do anything wrong>inb4 the schizo accuses me of being him
>>97119368But, I need you to decide for me anon.
>>97119374TRIPONNOW
I got to cut something for Dracogenesis, what should I cut?https://moxfield.com/decks/5TQkjadeZ0-4AHD2_Vq1aA
>>97119407Your wrists, dragonslop
R8 and h8 my Felothar food deck, lots of stuff in my sideboard is interesting but I'm having difficulty making cuts https://moxfield.com/decks/1Dsfw8b0RUecu35QMlrF_wKeep in mind that the gimmick is that all the creatures in the 99 armust must be either a Peasant or a Noble, I know there are a lot of better creatures I could slot in without that restriction.
>>97119351What happened to him anyway?
>>97119758Got board of posting the same cards in different decks over and over again.
>be parnesse chad>mana geyser etc>tempt with mayhem prisoner's dilemma>galvanic + galvanic + pic rel>board now has to do opposite day prisoners dilemma >same deck against the same players immediately after>chandras ignition on swinging azula>cast pic rel again on the copy>guy crashes the fuck out and leaveson an aside note, I pulled Choco and Wakka as my chocobo trail cards, then got a cloud, buster sword, sazh and wandering chocobo in the normal boosters. Should I bird up?
>>97119918wouldn't the creature be the one dealing damage instead of chandra's ignition
>>97119947Yes.
>>97119978>>97119947based cheater anon
>>97119649Dragons are one of the most fundamental aspects of fantasy stories and media, such as the Hobbit and Dungeons and Dragons. It doesn't get more based than dragons- giant dinosaurs with wings that breathe fire.
>>97120048With how hexproof, ward and indestructible gets added to everything, this is probably balanced
>>97120093It's always been balanced (read, dogshit), it doesn't even have haste. It can destroy a bunch of creatures sure but paying RRXX for it is extorsive and it's even a tap ability
>>97120152>being a clown bitchSeeing as how it doesn't target and isn't balanced even if it was, it's stupid. post your dumbass custom cards on lemonparty where it belongs
>>97120178I'm not that anon, it's just very obviously a bad card. These egregiously costed abilities suck shit- why are you paying 5 mana to then pay 4 mana to destroy one creature, or 6 to destroy two? It literally sucks fucking shit and nobody would ever play it. It's not even an actual Dragon because the cardmaker was incompetent and retarded
>>97120048Dragons, along with dinosaurs, are lame and gay.Kobold though, now those are some based lizards.
The anti Cyclonic Rift
>>97120093It wouldn't even be good at all in the age of FIRE design
>>97120260People sleep on this card, probably because the rest of the cycle sucks dick
I just now found out they banned jeweld lotus. That makes it practically unplayable, right? Weird it still goes for 30 bucks on cardmarket.
I've got a bit of store creditShall I get foil Legend of Roku or foil alt art Cosmogrand Zenith?
>>97120378Majority of people believe every card is going to be unbanned in two more weeks
>>97120388The quenchy one
>>97119918>>97119989>>97119978This is like the 5th story Parnesse "chad" has posted where he is literally just cheating. Its funny cause the first time I read one of his game stories I thought hmm sounds like a neat deck and had put together the starting of a small list for it. Then he kept posting and I realized hes just cheating and the card is very very meh.
>>97120331The red one is also good
>>97120228>Kobold though, now those are some based lizards.Why do you like the crippled midget lizards who want to be dragons and worship dragons as gods?
>>97118974get into multiplayer board games
>>97120450parnesse is a very shitty commander and isn't competitive in the slightest, but I've had 2 misplays in some funny situations this week, such as spectral shift text layers (the modified spell becomes a modified creature, but text changes are not copyable). In my defense, I didn't even finish casting it before the guy just lost his shit and left. I have a 100 card~ sideboard of grixis spells I constantly rotate, so it's less about having combo plays, and more about doing silly shit.most of the stories I post are legal. fun call outs this month>wandering archaic + tempt with reflection + tempt with mayhem>everyone has infinite wandering archaics+every other creature because someone copied tempt with mayhem, with tempt with mayhem>then I cast press the enemy and brick the game>hivemind out, flash in show and tell and then give out a bunch of shit to everyone>wild evocation insurrection>mine resolves last, instant win>radiate+metamorphose>radiant performer + opponents archon of cruelty trigger>return the favor radiant performer trigger>will of temur every permanent 5 times>headgames everyonethere's just lots of silly shit you can do.
>>97118974Magic sucks get into
>>97120648Maro got him before he could finish this
>>97118974FLGSs are always a crapshoot to having good games, but Spelltable is almost a 1 in 5 shot at good games. If you really like commander, play it. or keep being a scared lil bitch it matters none to me. >>97120676Fuck Maro, FIRE, and the CAG. Evil people in an evil sy
>>97120378There's some other format i dont remember where there's a decently popular artificact deck that uses the fact that it's 0 cost for tricksy shit, and had a way to make the mana usable for other things.Not enough explanation for why its 30 bucks, but a it's factor at least.
>>97120643Any silly shit your deck can do seems to come from you not having a fundamental understanding of how magic works.
>>97120725Using mana doubler coverts it to double usable mana
>>97117710Ody is legit the best set in magic history and it has nothing to do with the fact I was 12 when it came out.
Is there a fun way to build Yshtola that isn't cedh spell tribal?
>>97120890No
>>97120890I'm not sure what you mean, but here's my list. It's pretty much spell-slinging.https://archidekt.com/decks/12611334/you_mean_our_end_step_yshtola_nights_blessed
>>97120937Wow, this has to be one of the sloppiest and most boring decks I have ever seen.
>>97120997I just don't even get it
>>97120997ishtola is just sloppa.deckjust liek korbol or the returned king, there is no other way to play them
>>97121003LOTR, FF, Dr. Who, and spiderman cards all in one deck. So gross.
>>97120937looks fun, other anon is just a resident bitcher
>TQI love Urza's too much, even if it was before my time.
>>97120828I recently made a barbarian deck, and it was a fun time when I had him, his sister and his mentor out at the same time.Old sets really hit different for me.
>>97121030Yeah, I thought it was fun to lean into self-discard instead of just running a bunch of 'no max hand size' cards to enable either Emet and get material out of Bone Miser and Monument to Endurance. I originally wasn't going to include Bola's Citadel, but I pulled it from a pack and didn't want to leave it in a binder.My favorite card choice out of it actually has to be Unfufilled Desires. It's very versatile for the gameplan.
>>97121061grim reminder is pretty funny
>>97119111I love the Arcane Denial and Dictate.
Teysa, Orzhov Streetwalker
>>97121058I look like this
>>97121213You are just jealous because she is rich and you are not.
>>97121245she's also a woman and I am not
>>97121213Made for BBC.Unironically.
TQ:It's 5th and I cannot believe this is not a more common perspective.Most of the reprint art is 10/10 and the original art is almost exclusively an improvement.
>>97117700>TQTime Spiral, by far.
>>97119374True I miss Swordbro
My playgroup has evolved to be super combo-heavy, with people popping off on turn 4-5 with an infinite. The problem is, nobody is playing interaction to stop each other, so it just ends up being whoever can assemble their pieces the fastest. Is the most efficient way to deal with this more stax pieces? >inb4 rule zero
>>97121648Are they running combos with redundancy or just tutoring the pieces they need? If the latter, I recommend Thoughtseize and similar hand-sniping.
>>97121509Yes, Big Boros Cudgels
Pulled a rhystic in my chocobo bundle let's fucking GO! As for the new cards>Chocobo of Paradise>Foil Choco>Foul Yuffie>Scene Squall
>>97117838kek>>97118589For me it's this little fella. Completely shuts down a lot of deck until it's too late.
Gruul Toph. I'm running landfall and some token making (I bought the $150 doubling season because the cats were cute)Removed field of the dead, finale of devastation, march of the ents, now mostly all bumis/landfall triggers/earthbending lessons with lots of mana fetch.Which move here is the most 'earth bend'?
>>97121805>bought the $150 doubling season because the cats were cuteMadmanPlanetary annihilation is crazy with gruul Toph if you have a good board with lots of earthbended landsI like from the ashes personally tooI don't really like the meteor
>>97121871What the fuck is this
>>97121862meteor is the most stylish, but I already have rolling earthquake, and I can't get my hands on an insult//injury, so I'm deciding between nonbasic land hate (no one at my lgs plays basics, essentially letting me be MLD and then I can taunt them for not using basics). planetary is difficult to pick because it's so good
>>97121805Make sure you get you're glacial chasm, glacial crevasse, and constant mists!
>>97121876A great relic, also known as the Cord of the Eye. Every infant Great One has this precursor to the umbilical cord.
>>97121794Huh. I guess I n ed this for Jenova. Thanks!
Find the Dragon balls!RRRRRRRSorceryStarting with you in turn order, each player takes turns putting a dragon ball token into his or her deck until 7 have been placed. All players must now reveal every card that leaves their library. Whenever a dragon ball is revealed this way, puts it onto the battlefield. It has "This token cannot leave the battlefield no matter what, nor can any counter be placed or removed on it aside from this ability. Put X counters on the dragon ball, where X 1d7, rerolling if another dragon ball token has that many already. All other players close their eyes, and you hide this somewhere. If a player takes combat damage, or loses, you may give them a hint as to where the dragon ball is in a game of hot and cold. If a player wins, that player loses instead, as the dragon balls exist. Once a player collects all 7 dragon balls, shenron will physically manifest and grant you a legitimate wish, totally real and not just in this cards ability text with imagination, for real." Cycling 3
>>97121876Literally spam at this point.
>>97121213>Built to take Ravnica beaurocrat dick while hypnotized and brainwashed
>>97118589I used to think this was the best creature card in the game because he was on the booster pack wrappers and 7ed promo art.
>>97118589I play her in every white deck I build, and still ruminate about how she can't be my commander.
>>97119111Seizan! I just finished sleeving up mine. Don't have a picture of it yet. Still testing it. Here is my most foiled deck. Just need 15 more to finish it, but no real hurry since they are all $$$ last I checked. I'm testing out Sylvan, Rofellos and Prime Time in case they unban them, and yes they are incredibly strong. Probably doubled the win rate in my short testing so far. They definitely should be unbanned. It definitely doesn't bring it into cEDH.
>>97122038I love BA. Not as strong as she used to be in white for 5 mana, but she still slaps, especially when you have any kind of damage buffs or swords on her. Don't underestimate the protection from demons and dragons. You run into those all the time, and big flying creatures often can be the bane of a lot of decks when they don't have removal. She neutralizes them. I just wish they would print something like her again, but include vigilance this time.
>>97122174If they printed a new version she'd also have Haste, Vigilance and Ward 3
>>97122038To think that once upon a time this was an abominable case of power creep and now I wouldn't even flinch at putting it in a low power deck.
I will build her and you cant stop me
>>97121952I would commit heinous atrocities if it gave us a DBS set.
>>97122230Unlimited Goku Black jokes
So I got an Aerith and a Mog from my packs and I'm planning on building both, but right now I'm focused on getting the hottie set up.Got some solid life gain and ramp cards, and while I need to look for some more still, along with sac/discard enablers, I was most curious about what creatures I could add in to get the most out of Aerith's resurrection triggers.Not looking to sweep tables, I want suggestions that people won't expect and have fun effects beyond just gain more life.
>>97122230What color is the Saiyan Pride flag?
>>97122186It used to cost $50 and was the strongest beatstick in standard lol
>>97122262Yeah. I played her in standard and won FNM many times and even got enough credit to get a foiled one for $100.>play bant>ramp out with BoP, Lotus Cobra and Noble Hierarch and Knight of the Reliquary >turn 3 BA>Jace, the Walletsculpter for extra help>ElspethShit just cleaned it up, especially Jund cascade, which was the deck in style at the time.
>>97118589This guy T1 stirs up so much shit and I love him for it
>>97122248>Aerith and MogBasedJust bought both of them on tcgplayer because I couldn't score a bundleI'm in the process of building Aerith, and I just put in a bunch of value creatures. Stuff like cankerbloom that can recur and destroy an artifact or enchantment On top of that I have cards that consistently gain life every turn so that I trigger her every turn no matter what
Those with skill play it Those without skill whine about it.
>>97122335Yeah I don't understand it at all. Blue has had a bunch of instant bounce spells since forever. This is the best one, for sure, but power creep.
Question: If I play a card that returns all creatures to the hand, does that include earthbent lands? For example I use whelming wave.
>>97122335Those with money play it.Those without money sigh and say yep p2w
>>97122303I played that mythic bant deck too, I think it cost $1200 at its peak. Rhox War Monk ftw
>>97122380Yeah it was super expensive. Luckily my trade game was on point since I had an iphone to look up prices, and hardly anyone else did back then. I turned it into Eldrazi Conscription deck by literally just taking out the War Monks and I think 2 BAs. I don't think it ever lost a game.
>>97118589There are objectively better ramp and mana fixing cards but I still find room for her.
>>97122441smol booba :)
>>97122356Are they creatures in addition to being lands?
>>97122505Yes, and it stays a land. If it dies or exiled it return to battlefield, but I assume if someone plays a boardwipe that hits/targets creatures it returns the land to my hand?
>>97122372Cracked mine with a single booster purchase when they did the rerelease,No money, no skill, no luck, all whining.
>>97122518It is a creature, and it is not dying or being exiled, yes?
>>97122518>>97122531>>97122533An earthbent land when destroyed goes to the graveyard and then is returned to play.An earthbend land when exiled goes into exile and then is returned to play.An earthbent card that is destroyed when death abilities are turned off goes to the graveyard and stays there.An earthbent card that is exiled when death abilities are exiled goes into exile and stays there.An earthbent card returned to the hand goes to the hand.
>>97122555sorry I meant to say>An earthbent card that is destroyed when death abilities cause exile goes into exile and stays there.
>>97122461probably a b-c. Not smol.
>>97122568too small
>>97122577This doesn't have anything to do with tithes
>Friend that played Magic for 3 days comes to me asking for what the mana cost should be on his custom card>It's a better design than 99% of official cards
>>97122638pic unrelated?
>its a 2, maybe 3!! >turn 4>already out of controlI hate these fucking cunts so much
>97122638weak b8
>>97122654but I'm not WINNING on turn 4, just because I have 7 30/30s and 800 health doesn't make it not a 2!
>>97122654>>97122664imagine bitching about this herenobody cares
>>97122638This is not a better design than 99% of magic cards
>>97122654Do you not have a regular group you play with? Do you always play with randos that you'd need brackets?
I put this in my deck, problem officer?
>>97122638How is this good? Where's the card draw and treasure tokens? Why doesn't it have Ward 4?
>>97122703i mean, feel free to 3 mana do nothing artifact.
>>97122638>I can have something that I can just spend 5+ mana to flash in to declare a block with then return it to my handI'd rather just have literally any removal or protection spell.This is draft chaff.
My waifu needs an anime alt art version. Hopefully Strixhaven 2 delivers.
>have ramp, not enough draw>get more draw, not enough protection>add protection, not enough rampAm I just a fucking retard?
>>97122762Cut lands
>>97122769I HAVE 35 LANDS I dont think I can cut moreI am simic though
>>97121033>tfw growing up and playing Urza's with friends in school
>>97121033They need to reprint Gaeas. Dumb they dont reprint shit
Probably a stupid question but i dont remember all the specifics of what's copiable or not.>Forced a noncreature card to become a creatureexample being earthbending since that's the hot new thing, but i know there's a million ways to do something like this.>On opponents turn they cast a spooky creature>In response mythic reflection, choosing the eartbent landMy understanding is that since the creature type is not printed on the card, that part doesnt get copied, effectively turning their threat into a land. Am i completely off base here?
>>97122703Yeah, the problem is that Seek doesn't work in a non-digital format
>>97118589THorn Elemental is so choice, I love this effect. You're not enjoying hte game if you don't think about signature spells.I have a few pet cards for every color really, pic related I put in any blue deck, been using it since it released
>>97122803If you mystic reflection an earthbended land the spooky creature becomes an unearthbended land
>>97122803Scryfall Ruling on Mystic Reflection:The entering permanents don’t copy whether the target creature is tapped or untapped, whether it has any counters on it, whether it has any Auras and/or Equipment attached to it, or any non-copy effects that changed its power, toughness, types, color, and so on.Tldr you are correct
Mass land denial is not bracket two you fucking turn three contamination playing fuckoid, seeing you crash out after playing that against no other black decks and still dying first was a treasure. Kill yourself
>>97122813>>97122814Nice to know i'm not a complete idiot, just half-blind or something. I don't know how i missed that scryfall ruling.
>>97122841There's a lot of rules anon and copying is weird as fuck, glad to help.
>>97122762Cultivate is draw and ramp. Put in more cultivate cards.
>>97122897I have both versions lol
>>97122835What possible reason did he have to argue it wasn't MLD?I'd forgive it if he was a returning player who did have a low power deck but didn't fully know brackets.
Give me more Meld cards WotC you fucking cowards! Give me more turning two cards into big card!
>>97122835>bracketsLets get you back to weenie hut junior, carebear
>>97122936This but myriad.
>>97122951you first, cry as i combo off right in your face
>>97122841a good rule of thumb is that clones copy only the literal printed shit of the targeted card
>>97122968dovin's vetoan offer you can't refusepermission deniedArcane denialcounterspellswan songfierce guardianshipFOWPact of negationmuddle the mixturegood luck. I'm behind 10 counterspells
>>97122835Returning to EDH for the first time in 13 or so years and this image seems to be exactly what casual sentiment seems to be.>noooo land hate is toxic>noooo removal is toxic>noooo too many counterspells is toxic>noooo aggro too fast is toxic>noooo combos are lame>noooo tutors are lame>ramp and playing big creatures is fineGreen Timmy propaganda is strong
What other commander would benefit from both of these?I was thinking of WU Kykar, and go etb tokens, but the rates on creatures making tokens on etb are kind of shit.
>>97122998>playing two mana counterspells that's not called mana drain in cedh
>>97123013>This is what I put in EVERY blue deckMaybe propoganda as well if I am feeling frisky
>>97122835>>97123005scissors player here, this is usually my experience
>>97123029Based and bluepilled
>>97123029Painfully boring.
>>97123118>>97123122Id add the spiderman one too if it wasnt from a shit UB
This isn't quite the contemporary version. The actual decklist has been updated to be a bit more efficient. The Dark Depths is gone. Cyclonic Rift replaced Ancient Tomb as one of three game changers. The "cute" do-nothing sagas and Encroaching Mycosynth got swapped out for some counterspells and card draw. Had a genuinely awful win today. Some guy played a full-proxied full-powered Yshtola, and we just had to tunnel him with our bracket 3 decks. But he also had zero idea how the fuck to pilot his deck so it mostly just involved him tutoring things and casting random wincons.I just cloned his Rhystic Study early in the game, and where the table was terrified of this guy who is trying to Thoracle Consult, they were not afraid of the guy running Summon: Leviathan so I drew upwards of 20 cards.Then after slaughtering the combo player I just went on to eat the table alive.
>>97122348>yeah I dont understand this is completely asymmetrical and is an instant speed monocolored ruinous ultimatum, how is that not like a dozen other things printed?shut the fuck up faggot. Here are the only 8 asymmetrical sweepers in the game that hit non-lands. Bouncing is only below exile in terms of removal. https://scryfall.com/search?q=otag%3Asweeper-one-sided+otag%3Aremoval-nonland+&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name>>97122372I have 5 of these that I bought over the course of the years and completely removed them from all of my decks because it's just a bullshit card. It either instantly wins you the game (boring), or is used as a fuck you, let's make this game go on about 30 minutes for no reason. Then there's the giganiggertry that is the spiteful 'hehe I'll cyclonic rift if you kill me :)' cunts.
>>97123185>hehe I'll cyclonic rift if you kill me :)This is just a valid threat
>>97123194>izzet player holds board hostage, hehe I'll cyc rift ;)>ceasar player kills him with attack trigger on the stack>he cyc rifts>retcon and let him die>"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I CYC RIFTED AND DIED, PUT IT ALL IN YOUR HANDSSSS">keep playing
green always gets bashed for being the retard color, but black and red as on the same level. the only colors were you need to know how to react to the board are white and blue.
>>97123203>cheat????
>>97123206Id say blaack less so becuase of the sacrifice and graveyard shenanigans. Plus they tend to have relatively unique mechanics. Red I agree, Id say its even more retard than green as it has an abundance of haste for creatures or braindead spell sling shit.
>>97123211nta, but cheating is a valid strategy. just don't get caught or you are out of the game. high risk / high reward
>>97123216I would agree with you on black if I haven't seen mono black big mana in action. it's basically green but with lifeloss fireballs.
>>97123218based cheaty face enjoyer
>>97123053How it feels to play mono color
>>97123029My average deck costs less than half of what that group of cards cost
>>97123029There are people in this thread that would rage hard if you proxied these but would be totally fine if you just owned them and played them.
>>97123247I really only have one super expensive deck and a bunch of modified/upgraded precons. I dont get to play alot but I travel and get cards from local stores. Overtime the deck gotten rather fancy.
>>97122348Retards who play in brackets their emotional maturity cannot handle.Cyc rift is fine. If someone cries about it then it tells me all I need to know about them as a human being.
>>97123218>admitting to absolute niggery just to have the last word in a mongolian basket weaving forumkekw be careful where you leave your cards next time bud
I don't cheat I simply mana weave
>>97123310>mana weave before going to LGS>half-assedly shuffle>always get good handsThey'll never know
>>97123029you are like a baby
>>97123185There are more than that, like Plague Wind. Black has a bunch.
>>97123335oh yeah? shit, I've been reading that card wrong for years, no idea it destroyed non-land permanents.
>>97123343Oops my bad. I thought you just meant asymmetrical board wipes.
>>97123185i refrain from using scryfall's custom tags because they one way or another miss out on critical includes
>>97123359That's permanent removal and definitely better, but planeswalker ults are very interactable, and yeah otags are community driven, my rag is better than scryfall tags, but it's an example
https://moxfield.com/decks/xwzwpvmyxEihr2A3pV1isQReposting. Im at 105 cards, need 5 cuts. I know Im a maniac for running 33 lands how dare I etc.What should I cut? Im probably leaning towards:> OmnitoolI really like this card but I feel like its a relatively high cost to use it and its dependent on board state> Goose MotherHonestly fun card and decent utility but it only makes one token and I dont want to sac my tokens in general.> SpellskiteIs this good?> Akal PakalIts kind of slow. Not sure if I have enough flash enablers to do it on other turns.> Runaway / Disorder in the courtI might be fine with the interaction package I have? https://moxfield.com/decks/xwzwpvmyxEihr2A3pV1isQ
>>97123422>Spellskitein most cases, it's a simple removal eater. because it can disrupt a lot of strategies, a lot of people will target it asap.
>>97123431Then it did it's job
>>97123422>urza high lord artificerthat's the first thing i'll cut in your deck, try to guess why
>>97123422Brainstorm. Why do you have Basilisk Collar? Because lots of trample creatures and commander?
>>97120093Burninate the peasants is a color pie break it should cost black.
>>97120093damage based boardwipes need to be instant speed in the soon to be year of our lord 2026
>>971226384 mana
>>97123481>Brainstorm. Why do you have Basilisk Collar? Because lots of trample creatures and commander?I have Brainstorm in because I could see a scenario where I have like Salvation Colossus in hand and I want to fetch it with Repurposing Bay. I guess its fairly narrow.Basilisk is relevant for my commander because he has trample already so adding on deathtouch and lifelink seemed like strong synergy and I can fetch it with Brightglass Gearhulk.>>97123441>>urza high lord artificer>that's the first thing i'll cut in your deck, try to guess whyBecause hes a pubstompy, tap all you clues to add a dozen blue cheese machine?>>97123431>in most cases, it's a simple removal eater. because it can disrupt a lot of strategies, a lot of people will target it asap.But for 2 CMC I dont think thats really worth it. Maybe
>>97123422>Run Away Together>Salvation Colossus>Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit>Etherium Sculptor>The Goose MotherNow for the 4 cards you're going to cut for lands because you're a retard who will otherwise brick>Malactor, Purity Overseer>Mondrak, Glory Dominus>Karn, Legacy Reforged>Welding Jar
Destroy All Humans 1RInstantExile all non-commander creatures.{flavor}I lied.{/flavor}
>>97123533>Because hes a pubstompy, tap all you clues to add a dozen blue cheese machine?correctand also because your deck as a whole isn't B3 tier (hell it's not even strong enough to win an FNM B2) so why include him? do you really want your pod to use him as an excuse to escalate the power level of their own decks?>just because you can include a powerful card in casual, doesn't mean you should
>>97123554Urza is no longer a game changer
Also lmao I thought he was an artifact creature, but he doesnt count as an artifact. Damn that makes him way more of a suspicious card.
Post underrated cards
>>97123561True he isnt anymore, but his reputation precedes him stillInfect is also B2 legal btw, you really want to promote that kind of rules lawyering?
>>97123566Yes what the fuck? Infect is perfectly fine lol
>>97123567Cool include urza for all i care just dont be surprised if your pod takes him as a signal to escalate into things like craterhoof behemoth, also dont forget to hold your tongue calling others sloppers when you run slop yourself
>>97123563
>>97123572>one of the most popular commanders from the most recent>literal "when you do thing, double it" designHow is this underrated?
>>97123563What is underrated about this
Is this really my only option
>>97123592Just make proxies
>>97123582It's the most efficient persist creature, which is a prolific combo.
>>97123598I love cyberpunk that's pretty based
>>97123602Murderous redcap takes the title of best overall persist combo imo
>>97123592they're on amazon intermittently, or best buy.
>>97123592My LGS is selling them at $42 a pop. I might get the FF15 one, idk
>>97123607you're based
>>97123612that's nice, mine's selling them for 80.
Just got back from the FF Commander box league. Weird as fuck event but pretty fun. Made a Tifa deck that would nuke a single player then immediately die to the other two.The promo is so fucking pretty though, gotta build her asap
>>97117700>TQThe Dark, also here is some nutso doing a 5+ hour review of each card in The Dark.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTmtADkdCQs
>>97123638she cute
>>97123563>Mana Rock>Card Draw
How 2 offload an MP ungraded mox diamond? LGS's just want to swindle you. Facebook Marketplace is full of poke retards that want to "trade." I've had it listed on TCGplayer for two months with no bites.
>>97123658you can easily offload it, it's just that people don't want to buy it at the normal market price, because ofc they hope it resell it at an even higher price, being reserved list>if a rainy day ever comes in your life that's exactly the time for you to offload it, that's the main purpose of your "investment"
>>97123537>>Run Away Together>>Salvation ColossusI know it kind of sucks but there are limited 8 CMC artifact creatures that I can run and its a big breakpoint for me because I have 3 7-drops that play for free. So I need an 8 CMC artifact creature. DESU I'd run The Bae Sing Sae Wall but its $20 and I dont want to buy one. Other 'good' things at the CMC are also like $20.>>Of Herbs and Stewed RabbitMaybe. I did come to the realization that Sagas tend to be ass. This one at least seems to generate quite a few tokens, Im not sure.>>Etherium Sculptor?? But being part of my tribal and reducing the cost of most of my permanents is really good? This is the sort of card that allows low-count greed in manabases.>>The Goose MotherYa prob.>Now for the 4 cards you're going to cut for lands because you're a retard who will otherwise brick>>Malactor, Purity OverseerYa I thought he was an artifact. Hes actually not very good.>>Mondrak, Glory DominusHonestly kind of based. I think Mondrak is a relative underperformer. Adrix and Nev with Ward 2 are probably better>>Karn, Legacy ReforgedKarn is crazy mana acceleration though>>Welding JarMaybe. I really don't know how good this will be. I mostly have it because I am big enjoyer of activating triggers for 0 mana.
>>97123638>Made a Tifa deck that would nuke a single player then immediately die to the other two.Based Tifachad. Thank you for your service.
>>97123652conditional green mana rocks unfortunately are pretty gimmicky even if it's with a draw attached
>>97123691I don't think there are too many green mana rocks that tap for any color. Especially for 2 cost, draw, and combat potential. Its helped me out in big green creature decks where I need a quick trample.
>>97123691it's kraven time
>>97123716>it's kraven timeI bought Kraven but I havent built it yet. I think it will be so kino
>>97123652This card is unreal. Not many mana rocks out there is consider worth running but I use this one.
GF bought me a bundle for Christmas. This is the card I wanted the most from the possibilities.I'm so happy bros. It's going straight into a deck to be played and loved.
>play stax to soft lock the board and win in a couple turns where they still could find an out>not allowed>comboing off after tutoring a bunch in one turn when most others don't even run counters>totally acceptablenice format you have cultivated here. how long till other archetypes are restricted too? getting rid of discard seems logical in order to protect comboggers. you want a faster format after all, right? otherwise the logic is just "thing I like > thing you like"
>>97123563Not good for every deck or situation but it's a nice effect when you need it.
>>97123256>it's almost like proxying cards that you have no intention of buying legitimately down the line makes you a poorfag that's trying to engage in a hobby that's far beyond his means and that is unsightly at the very leastlol>inb4 mtg is just game pieces!!
>>97123554>and also because your deck as a whole isn't B3 tier (hell it's not even strong enough to win an FNM B2)Thats a hot take for sure. Im running a (IMO) less optimized version of the deck right now and it is what I would consider a fair 3. It doesn't have inf combos, but it has a lot of draw and with Urza/Jaheira it can get out of hand quickly. The main issue Ive had is with actual game enders (I mean if I really wanted it then Craterhoof is probably good). But I have a pretty clear artifact synergy with this list and the ability to pop off if I get the right draw, so I wouldn't say its going to struggle at a B3 unless is a c3dh game disguised as a B3 game, which some people around here seem to think is the point of B3.
>>97123794>Thats a hot take for sure. it's not a hot take at all, just look at the guy's decklist, it's not going to win anything even remotely sweaty, so why put Urza? because you can? westoids have no concept of restrainti'm just giving friendly advice because if his opponents matched him dollar for dollar they'll crush him with craterhoof/token slop, and god forbid you promote that
>>97123563I also think this card is strong, esp in green which doesn't get a lot of haste options. Though if the dual typing changes go through, that can change.
I never know what to name my cards
>>97123789>and that is unsightly at the very leastWow scathing what will I ever do? >game piecesOk lil investortard go back to watching pappa rudy like a good goy
>>97123813>i don't care about your judging eyes chudthen why were you whining about people looking down on proxyfags? sounds like someone's desperate for validation hahabecause yes, if you own the real thing, we treat you differently, that's real life bud, get used to it
>>97123789>be poor>play game>"no, this is unsightly at the very least"okay, and?
>>97123826>be poor>play only cheap cardsthat's fine>be poor>proxy expensive cards that you have no money to buy anywaythat's not finesee how easy life is when you don't pretend to be something you're not?
>>97123829>that's not finewhy not
>>97123844>imagine being this cluelessMake sure you gift your girlfriend a fake chanel bag this christmas, she'll absolutely love it
>>97123855are you arguing that people who value luxury hand bags have something in common with people who value game pieces for a game?
>>97123818Your validation does not pay for my cards, my money does and I value that more. You should too but you clearly don't.
>>97123798>it's not a hot take at all, just look at the guy's decklist, it's not going to win anything even remotely sweatyYou just have a warped view of B3
>>97123855You can't green dot the bag, she won't know.
>>97123855You wanna be his girlfriend you faggot?
Do you think Avatar added any important cards for Erinis/Street Urchin? Is earthbending important for it or just a distraction?
>anon mixes ub sets together into one deckI can stand UB if everyone just sticks with one IP for their decks, but it feels dirty.
>>97123992What if I make them all the same UB
did trumps china tarrifs nuke buying proxies from china?
>>97123992>picI once wrote an entire song about this meme. I like to feed it to AI and let it sing it back to me. https://files.catbox.moe/mt1v1g.mp3
is this any good or do i need a dedicated land deck for it?i have a mono green big dudes deck with some land focused themes and was wondering about this card.
>>97124041Pretty cool stuff. Could be a sleeper hit if it was actually produced.I wonder if catching onto it being generated is as easy for music producers as it is for most people by now to spot it in images.
>>97124096>I wonder if catching onto it being generated is as easyit is. ai music still has a lot of problems with nonsensical background noise and instruments melding into each other. it's really good at tricking people who never made music themselves tho, and I predict a future where all shopping center music will be AI generated.
>>97124070he cute
>>97122638It should draw a card on etb if you want it to be any good.
>>97124070Depends on what you need him for. If you just want a big body on board for things like Rishkar's Expertise or Overwhelming Stampede, sure. He's cheap for the big body on board. But you're not really taking full advantage of him without a dedicated sacrifice land deck so your milage may vary.
>>97123952Not really? If you have any artifact lands you can earthbend them to sacrifice and have immediately come back so that's something?
>>97122638>mana cost: {W} - as an additional cost to cast this spells, discard a card>lift off - {2], return a creature card from your graveyard to your hand: return this creature to your handthere, it now airlifts wounded soldiers
>>97123888>aaaiiiieeee are you saying i'm the same as that bitch who likes prada?!You're willing to fake cardboard, that's all anyone needs to know rrgarding just how much you value these game pieces kek
>>97124413that's the point. you are comparing yourself to a vapid bitch without any hint of irony.
>>97124431but i am a vapid bitch, now what retard?guess we are done here.
>>97117771>>97117838Actually looks like she wants do distance herself from the spell she is casting.Woman moment, I guess.Even the flavor text has this air-headedness.Would love to see a deck built around this theme.Like constantly jumping out the window instead of using the door and then complaining.
>>97124431>i'm a nerd and i'm of a higher status than a vapid bitch!Ok redditor lol
If I control Teval, Arbiter of Virtue, and sacrifice it to cast this spell, does the lifeloss still trigger?
>>97124443it means you are a worthless being with irrelevant opinions. a faggot, so to say.>>97124460this but unironically. bitches have no place in male hobbies.
>>97124486And poorfags have no place beyond the basement, it is known
>>97124501too bad the poorfags aren't listening to you and simply continue to play the game
>>97124503They can play the game however they like as F2P dregs, nothing changes the fact that they're poor and are not to be taken seriously, imagine gavin hearing them out on how to run edh lmao
>>97124511you believe you are taken seriously, anon? at least the poorfags don't delude themselves like you do.
>>97124519>at least the poorfags don't delude themselvesRoru rumao lurk moreYou're in for a barrel of laughs
>>97124481The spell is cast only after you pay the cost.When the spell becomes cast Teval is already in the graveyard so its effect won't trigger.You can delve to pay for the mana cost though.
>>97124531like what?
>>97122835>believing any of the retarded made up rules about power levels in decks that are still haunted by the specter of shit Sheldon personally thought was unfun (in a format where worldfire was unbanned for some reason even though it is the literal worst example of the shit land hate fags whine about)
there's nothing of value or of interesting design in those FF art boxes, wtfclosest thing is Noctis and the fishing rod but the rest is just meh
>>97124511This is the poorfag format you sperg. Average deck cost is low, it's not sanctioned, there is no decklist submission for pickup LGS games, there are no prizes, no judges, brackets were put in to ensure even the poorfags with precons get a playpen, you're in the children's pool trying to play lifeguard. Nobody gives a shit about proxies in the real world.
>>97124567The esper one is pretty neat, you can build a whole adventuring party.
>>97124589>Nobody gives a shit about proxies in the real world.And yet every now and then you get a greenpost in /edhg/ about pods arms racing running the sloppiest slop, make a wild guess what's the #1 cause of that
>>97124622>every now and then you get a greenpost in /edhg/ about pods arms racingoh the humanity
>>97118715I run this guy in Edric and he fucks.
>>97124641Hey dont look at me i'm not the one with the poorfag pod
>>97124511>imagine gavin hearing them out on how to run edh lmaoanyway here's Flash which was banned exclusively because the cEDH community practically dropped to their knees and begged for. The same cEDH community playing all their major tournaments with proxies lmfao
>>97124666no, you don't even have a pod
>>97124596only interesting one is the black mage though
>>97124715Even with 15 proxies the average cost of the average cedh deck far exceeds that of the average b2 casual deck>>97124735>no uConcession accepted
>>97124769>p-proxies are ok if you spend enough money on other cardslmfao the back down get real
>>97124769nobody wants to play with you, that pretty much explains your little bitch attitude
>Playgroup introduces sideboards, ostensibly to work with Lessons>Look at the lessons>Almost all the playable lessons are generic value that could be run normally in the 99>Need to use a hard wish card for anything I wouldn't already want in the 99, but would potentially want access to (GY hate, land removal, niche tech)>Feel like I'm missing the point of something
>>97124780Yes, not my fault wotc wont reprint certain cardsAnd good to hear that you admit a cedh still exceeds a b2 deck in price, imagine still proxying things like shocklands lol>>97124781Your anger at being given the sideye only proves my point that proxyfags are so vocal because of their desperate need for validation, haha thanks
>>97124800the desperate need for validation you have for pretending you aren't a poorfag on top of being a nogames faggot?
>>97124783Doesn't help that most, if not all, learn cards are very underwhelming. I wouldn't wanna play any of them even if they let me wish for lessons.
>>97124800>And good to hear that you admit a cedh still exceeds a b2 deck in price, imagine still proxying things like shocklands lolBecause that isn't my point? My point is Gavin IS listening to sections of the community actively and transparently using proxies. I gave you a banlist change made on their behalf to prove it. That was them, anon, not whatever your precious pod is doing. They are categorically listening to proxyfags.
Can you guys help me build mono-black reanimator pls?Black has all the good reanimation spells and grave tutors of course, but what are some consistent ways to mill yourself quickly?Is there any sort of reanimation engine you can build or is it mostly just the one-off spells?Would like to use Krrik as my commander btw but i'd be open to others, just wanna keep it mono black if possible.
>>97124808>no you're just like me!>you are nogames unlike me who runs 32 lands with a 3.5avg cmc!Seethe more poorfagJust keep quiet and play the game for freeThere's a reason /vg/ and /vmg/ dont take whiny F2Ps seriously/tg/ is, as always, slow in the uptake
>>97124828nobody takes you seriously anon, that's my entire point. you are the one getting tortured by proxies, nobody else. it's pathetic.
>>97124822>your card is on the reserved list? Tough luck cedh kid you're just like me now!LolIt's only natural that wotc will listen to cedh, it's their own fault the reserved list exists in the first place, consider this their penance
>>97124823>help me build mono-black reanimatorThis is your brain on slop, especially Final Fagstasy lmao
>>97124833Dude i cant stop you from printing shit to oblivion and i dont lose sleep over it, but meanwhile your jimmies are rustled because i call you a poorfag, that's the diff between you and i hahaha
>>97124834incredible how you are getting proven wrong and then proceed to act like a kike as if nothing just happened
>>97124818You're not wrong, here's what I feel the most playable Learn card is from each color:>First Day of Class (strong lategame finisher, or an early lesson)>Field Trip (it's okay ramp)>Pop Quiz (instant speed)>Professor of Symbology (creature, easy to flicker)>Eyetwitch (1-drop that's sac fodder)That being said none of these cards stand out as particularly super, and if you want a second Wish your options generally regress extremely rapidly to the point I feel you may as well just run a hard Wish that does nothing but get a better card.
>>97124838Okay if it's so easy then surely you must have some answers to my questions.
>>97124845>get btfo>uhh... ur a kike!Concession #2 accepted
>>97124844I called myself a poorfag anon, without irony. You on the other hand cry about proxies and poorfags since the entire thread now.
>>97123777Where is that not allowed did I miss something?
>>97124852>gavin listens to me, not to proxyfags!>*proof that gavin listens to proxyfags*>that doesn't count! it never happened! you owe me!take the L, nogames faggot
>>97123798>sperging like a retard>heh its friendly advice!Its literally not stop lying to yourself. Youre seething cause you see a card. Full stop that is entirely what is happening here. The deck is thoroughly B3 and you are clearly bad as evidenced by your>infect could be here....Post
>>97124834This might shock you but those people aren't only proxying reserve list cards. Pivoting to a new deck in the metagame every few months is expensive for an unsanctioned proxy friendly format with limited prize support. Most players trying a new brew will use what they have on hand and proxy or borrow the rest. It really isn't uncommon to see decks using tons of them. But again you're missing the point.
>>97124860>i called myself a poorfag anon, without ironyCool then we're done here>>97124865Gavin listens to cedh because they're the ones buying every non reserved list cedh staple, foolBut ofc a proxyfag wouldnt know anything about basic economics lol
>>97124850it is easy retard, scryfall is your friend. You could be my friend if you fucked off right out of the hobby though.
>>97124872This might come as a shock to you but cedh doesnt actually run 100 proxy tournaments, make a big guess why
>>97124863in these so called faget brackets that everyone is using. even blood moon is soft banned unless you want to get stomped by some combo decks that moon does nothing against. aka unplayable
>>97123904You have no idea what the b3 meta is going to beLet me guess, you think primetime will be banned forever huh?
>>97124823your best bet on a reanimation engine is to use one as your commander and then build around that. there are some engines you can run in the 99, but there are not many and usually have high cmc.krrik is a generally good commander, I would definitely recommend brewing and testing him just to get a feeling for his gameplay, but in my opinion he should count as a gamechanger like mono blue urza, because he's just that powerful.
>>97124891>Still struggling with the unsanctioned format concept
>>97124882>okay, gavin listens to them, but that doesn't count!take the L, nogames faggot
>Americans wake up>thread instantly devolves into shitflinging about proxies from which no one will claim any kind of victory or intellectual high ground and no one will change their opinion
>>97124913>still arguing like a retardIf everyone's running proxies in cedh without any real card whatsoever then why is contract from below still banned?What, you scared of losing a scribbled over plains? Lol
>>97124922these are unemployed euro hours, you can tell by poorfags calling each other poorfags
>>97124930>If everyone's running proxies in cedh without any real card whatsoeverwhy are you making stuff up now that anon never said? is it so hard to admit that you are wrong?
>>97124914Funny how your shitty comeback is i have no games when you dont even have real cards KEK
>>97124948>oh no i got caught, cedh does in fact play with real cards>real card that are worth more than my shitty b2 deck!>uh...just admit ur wrong already!Concession #3 accepted
>>97124950>if I ignore that gavin listens to proxyfags, I never have to admit that I'm wrong!take the L, nogames faggot
>>97124930>If everyone's running proxies in cedh without any real card whatsoever then why is contract from below still banned?Why would they change the banlist just because of proxy eligibility when the whole point of cedh is that it's the same as normal edh? What kind of shitt gotcha is this? Kill yourself man
>>97124964>so btfo he became a botHahaha poorfags so desperate to have the last word (because it's validation ofc)yet another feather in my cap
>>97124954>"proxies are used everywhere">but but but nobody uses 100% proxy decks! I win this argument! I win this argument!embarrassing
>>97124970you are projecting your need for validation again, nogames faggot
>>97124965The only reason contract is banned is because people risk losing cards with valueBut proxies are inherently worthless, so ante (and gambling) loses all meaningSo the fact that contract isnt allowed in cedh is because yes, cedh does in fact play with majority real cards worth more than your deck lol>kill yourselfConcession #4 accepted
>>97124973>reserved list exists>wotc apologizes profusely>even vintage has allowed proxies for the longest time but no one calls them poor>proxying in cedh though? Aaaaiiiieee you're just like meeeeeeBwahahahaha
>>97124982>>97124970Will you two just go and fuck already?>>97124818>>97124848Learn just isn't a great mechanic unless you're using a sideboard, and even then they're overcosted yeah.>>97124823With K'rrik just cram things to offset the life loss and black spells in it, it's easy to build anon.
>>97125003>>97124991sounds like proxychads won this one. it has been noted that you accepted the L.
>>97125009If proxychads really won then does that mean i slam contract and combo off right in your face? Cool!>inb4 kvetching over rules over an unsanctioned casual format full of fake cards of no valueThis thread is hilarious
>his defense for his retarded argument is actually the ante mechanic
>>97125025>he's THAT scared of losing his worthless proxyConcession #5 accepted
Is this 100% proxied cedh deck in the room with us right now
Who is the best female equipment commander in white?All the equipment commanders are dudes
>>97125038Dunno man, ask the poorfags about thatThey think they're like sweatlords sweating over a casual format all while taking unlimited mulls
>proxychads
>>97125042KEMBAEMBA
>>97125062>remembers that awful bleach endingMan kubo cant write for shit
>>97118589I love nailing t1 Sol Rings with this Petyr Baelish looking jerk>>97118700Yoink
>>97125003>even vintage has allowed proxies for the longest time but no one calls them poor>Sanctioned format, which uses wotc's hard line that all cards need to be genuine allows proxiesIf proxies were okay, and accepted, even at sanctioned events, you wouldn't need to be buying chinese bootlegs that pass a quick smell test and would just show up to a vintage or even CEDH event with anime titty proxies and be let in.
>>97125109Believe it or not even proxyfags understand that it feels good to play a good looking card, they wouldnt be going to zhang otherwise
>>97125121>actually its because of appearance and has nothing to do with the fact I want to pass them off as legitimateSure thing bud.
>>97125129>dude if there's one group that i can swindle, it's vintage players!Lol
>>97125121china proxies are actually flat and some even look better these days so idk what this cope is
>>97125141Im not the one denying the existence of vintage tourneys w/ proxies and the appeal of chinese fakes here
>>97125149They are appealing because they can pass as real cards to most tests other than weight and green dot. So they can be snuck into vintage events to cheat with because proxies are not allowed or wanted by wotc at them.If it were otherwise, people could and would use cards that are obvious proxies at first glance.
sirs, this is commander general
>>97125167You can also run such fakes in standard fyi, if you dont get caught you did nothing wrongMy point is vintage and cedh make it a point that proxies are allowed so long as they're recognizable at a distance to prevent confusion, chinese fakes happen to be the best low cost solution to that
It's bizarre how people will spend hundreds of dollars on a deck and consider it a point of pride to the point of elitism. Not even the people I play tennis with are this small about their rackets (one guy insists on orange wilson balls though)
>>97125194>headline: Not even the people I play tennis with are this small about their rackets!>buried down below in a wall of text: one guy insists on orange wilson balls though(You) dont hate the media enough
If you've got a $500 premium deck and just people wouldn't be willing to spend that much on a single deck, wouldn't you want other people to proxy so you have a wider pool of people you can play with that are around that level?
>>97125209>wouldn't you want other people to proxy so you have a wider pool of people you can play with that are around that level?That is correctNotice that i dont actually tell them to stop proxyingI'm just saying that at the end of the day they're just F2P poorfags and should act accordingly, that's all
>>97125209The point of spending $500 on a deck is so they can win against people not willing to pay that much. The last thing they want is even competition because that makes the money they didn't worthless.
>>97125184>My point is vintage and cedh make it a point that proxies are allowed so long as they're recognizable at a distance to prevent confusion, chinese fakes happen to be the best low cost solution to thatThey are explicitly not allowed. Vintage is as sanctioned format and has sanctioned events, which do not allow proxies of any kind. This level of reality denial is incredible.
I just buy broken cards on the cheap at launch when people haven't caught up yet and sell them forward for profit later to pay for library printer usage
>>97125228>you cant run unsanctioned tournaments that have vintage rules!Holy cope
>>97125246>My lgs runs an unsanctioned event that allows proxies in vintage, therefore they're allowed in vintage overallYou really are a buffoon.
>>97125209Honestly I think you should just ignore the shitposters on this. I've spent a lot of my decks mostly for art treatments. I've generally taken the consensus as this:Proxying netdecked goodstuff? Bad.Proxying misshapen AI anime tiddy? Bad.Proxying... actually counterfeiting cards so people have to get out a loupe for bulk rares? Bad.Proxying by giving chang money because WOTC is cringe, but supporting PRC psyops is based? Bad and stupid.Proxying to try out a new deck before buying expensive cards? Good.Proxying to fill in stronger cards to match players in your pod? Good.Proxying to have fun playing the game with your friends. Ideal, in fact.That said, I'm not anybody's dad or a cop. People can do what they like so long as their proxies don't end up in my hands "CUZ I WANTED THEM TO LOOK RIGHT THERE'S NO OTHER REASONS OKAY DO YOU WANNA LOOK AT MY TRADE BINDER?"
>>97124567This is of interest to me
>>97124891>This might come as a shock to you but cedh doesnt actually run 100 proxy tournaments, make a big guess whyBecause no one proxies basic lands
>>97125269Based and true>>97124891??? Yes they do kek otherwise everyone is priced out of that shitty format
>>97125269>>97125276The duality of retarded proxyfags lol
>>97125279the schizoid mind of the anti-proxyfag
>>97125279I actually only proxy guru lands :^)
>>97125269Literally nobody owns a fully non-proxied cedh deck
>>97125260>Proxying to try out a new deck before buying expensive cards? Good.Correct>Proxying to fill in stronger cards to match players in your pod? Good.>Proxying to have fun playing the game with your friends. Ideal, in fact.I do not recommend this, as the people you're proxying against will just proxy in turn, causing unnecessary arms races
>>97125287>increases deck price by $30.000how are you supposed to compete with this???
>>97124567>>97125263already got 2x fated clash and flashphoto before they went up. seemed pretty playable. waiting for judgment of alex and maybe duel flame to go down
>>97125301It's only a game piece
>>97125263Found the Kuja slopper.
>>97124823gisa & geralf (dimir though, not mono black) has a mill 4 etb and a cast one zombie spell from gy during your turn effects
>>97125297>you're proxying against will just proxy in turnThis has never happened to me, they just buy more booster boxes and singles than I do so I'm usually the one playing catch-up. I'm just one guy though.
>>97125319Good for you that your pod knows betterBecause if there's something proxyfags cant proxy, it's srlf restraint
>>97125297> causing unnecessary arms racesthe opposite happened in my group. I never cared much for the game, so when they dragged me into it, I just printed my own decks and sleeved them over chaff from my friends. I quickly learned what the bullshit cards were from there and replaced them piece by piece, until my deck reached a budget level. which in turn helped me understand the game better. the biggest rush I feel nowadays is when I find a godlike synergy card for less than a dollar.today, I play the cheapest decks in my friend group, but at the same time, the most powerful ones. my gut and my xenagos decks are 100% original by now (only took me 2 years of collecting chaff). there are still dozens of proxies for various (cheap) cards in my other decks, because I only replace proxies via trading chaff with friends.
>>97125309Actually it's for my vivi deck
>>97123609Hell yeah bro I love playing that little nigga in my orzhov and abzan and sultai and golgari decks bro
>>97125357Remember, the change to hybrid has already been decided
>>97125358Source?
>>97125364Proof next year, trust
>>97125327nta but in a world of short printed product and fomo lairs with unique cards I'm not giving anticonsumer wotc a single shekel to get mid cards with bad qa to boot. they don't even advocate arms race but rather agreement on how bad the real product is
>>97125341this. I only feel like I won if I used cards that were worse than my opponent's. creating kind of a reverse arms race to the bottom
>>97124898Huh?
>>97124891Cedh is by far the most pro proxy magic community.
>>97125393CorrectI still havent found a 100 or 90 or 80 card proxy cedh tournament though, have you?
>>97123563This lil nibba
>>97124991This might be the dumbest post ive ever read. The absolute lack of logic is staggering.
>>97125404>>97125031
>>97125194Ridiculous larp post tennis players are incredibly anal about rackets. All people who take their hobbies even remotely seriously care about the quality of the tools they use for it. Genuinely retarded larp post
>>97125076
>>97125209>proxyfag retard cant build a strong deck on a budgetAnd he never will have that ability.
>>97125279You realize both these guys agree with eachother right?
>>97125399I dont know I dont inspect every deck that goes to cedh tournaments. You seem desperate youre welcome to do the legwork.>>97125390This anon has never posted a deck and larps constantly about how its only winning if he wins with worse cards not realizing this is just a loud siren saying>I ONLY PLAY WITH RETARDED SHITTERS
>>97125427>nobody proxies basic lands (therefore 100 card proxy tournaments dont exist)>??? Yes they do kek otherwise everyone is priced out of that shitty format (therefore 100 card proxy tournaments do exist)Learn to read
>>97124898agreed. it's relegated to 4 which is just the "baby who is scared of cedh" zone. and disrupting people's mana bases is niche in cedh already.
>>97125435Now's your chance to prove you know how to use google better than me, dont be shy, post a 100 card cedh tourney link
>>97125445No you need to learn to decipher nuance. Both agree that cedh tournaments are heavily, almost entirely proxied, with the caveat that no one would proxy basic lands (the person who said this is lampooning you).
>>97125450Why would I want to prove anything to you you are very clearly retarded and mentally unwell.
>>97125458>Both agree that cedh tournaments are heavily, almost entirely proxiedProof next thread?Cuz damn i sure want to run contract in all proxy cedh, who cares about losing shitty proxies
>>97125465>get called out>criesLol
I don't play CEDH, but when my locals ran a $2k CEDH tournament with 30+ people, there were rules that said a limit of 5 proxies
>>97125292but I own two anon....though I 100% endorse using proxies
I've lost the original point somewhere in this maelstrom of shitposting.
i like going to cedh tournaments with homebrewed budget decks just to see if i can steal some wins with a pile of dogshit, because i actually have little interest in who can yap or get lucky the best in a competitive multiplayer format all running the same stale meta decks.
>>97125500I play Bumbleflower in cEDH and give all the cards to one person so we both get out for colluding.
>>97125505Cedh has yet to create a system that punishes colluding and drawing and i feel it can only be done via having stakes ala poker
Is $250 for the scene box set good
>>97125260I will continue to buy cards, and when I need duplicates for a second deck, I will put in a big boobie proxy in that deck instead of buying another real copy.
>>97125448I wish gavin would grow a spine and just put thd scary blood moon and co. as GCs and be done with it
>>97125514Cedh yas yet to produce fun
>>97125523$240 on tcg
>>97125435>winning by getting lucky once a blue moon? inconceivable!the only retard shitter here is (you)
>>97125523160 at walmart
Not paying $10 for Darkness. Simple as that.
>>97125558>he can't afford a single card so he has to become proxykek >not even an expensive card, he could get it for $8-9 on tcgpLOL
>>97125482That's not cedh, that's just a competitive tournament without restrictions. cedh almost always refers to the cedh metagame specifically, which is why cedh players don't even say cedh is just an acronym for competitive EDH now.
>>97125591No, I meant CEDH90% of people playing rogsi, tymna kraum, sisay, kinnan
>>97125523that's $8.3 per card, right?
as long as wotc keeps printing mechanically unique cards in products that get scalped instantly no matter how long you queue I'm not giving them a single dollhair
So the chocobo bundle got shortprinted right?Unlike the commander bundle, the chocobo bundle is still almost twice MSRP after release.
>>97123563Does so much work in my RB reanimator deck.
>shits up the entire thread for hours because he has nothing better to do than spew endless vitriol>even keeps replying to posts that have nothing to do with him when he gets ignoredhow is this anti-proxyfag real? this utter lack of self-reflection? it's like reading the most bitter, fatherless drivel you can find on this board
is there a way to check if a card has gotten a functional upgrade? I haven't been keeping up with the sets and next year will probably be the same but I'm curious if there's cards in my decks that can get replaced for better ones
I like proxies
>>97125636you mean the avatar commander bundle right? but if you look at the last holiday release, altho a bit different product, the lotr cards were shortprinted yes so this one propably is too
>>97125664Pull it up on Scryfall Tagger. In the gameplay tags, it will link strictly stronger or weaker counterparts.
>>97125664the easiest way is probably checking recently updated decks by good builders using your commander ornmechanic
>>97125688This. If a card stops showing up in lists look for something new that might have taken it's place.
>>97125548This doesnt make it any better lmao. So you either stumble into wins or win cause youre playing with retards. Neither are impressive feats
>>97125719and I never claimed otherwise
>>97125550You lie
I proxy basics and only basics.
Last night my friend cast a Rolling Earthquake for a large number, trying to end the game that turn, but forgot a Phyrexian Obliterator was on the field. We all kind of rolled our eyes... the game was going on too long, it was at a point where we just wanted the game to be over so we could play another, so we just said that somehow the Rolling Earthquake player only had to sac 5 perms into the Obliterator effect.But just to be clear, I know that Phyrexian Obliterator should've nuked that man's entire playmat.
>>97125832Did it end the game?
>>97125832>tfw I was allowed to tutor with a ring tempts card, then resolve sauron's wheel without having to discard the tutored card because everyone wanted the game to finally endI tutored another board wipe ehehenearly died that day to blunt trauma
>>97125854The Rolling Earthquake player also neglected that a 3rd player had a huge stockpile of treasure and food tokens, so they survived. At this point everyone started shuffling up, so I think everyone had their own interpretation of how that game ended. We got another game going quickly after that though.
>>97125769You actually have in previous threads. And in this one as well but I will share in your lie buddy
>>97126046classic poopdickschizo post
>polymorph into an combo win>nooo we can't stop it>polymorph into a big problem card that doesn't win immediately >nooo we can't remove it>polymorph into a value card draw engine >nooo we can't keep upwhy to c*mmander players not any removal and can't even kill a 1/1 token on the stack
>>97119918Chandra's ignition doesn't work like that. Do general fags just refuse to read cards or cannot read them?
>>97125781checked again and I guess it was the lotr ones that were actually close to msrp as a bundle.best buy still has them listed for 42, though nobody's allowed to sell them until friday.
>opp B is clearly ahead>I flash in vexilus praetor so my commander can go in and take him down in two turns>opp A unprompted kills my protection piece>we lose to opp B couple turns laterwhy are people like this?
>>97126121You must be a new player. Did you explain your intent to handle the player in the lead specifically? If you're able to quickly take out the player with the most advantage, that means you're probably also a threat to the players that are behind, which makes you the biggest threat in their assessment. Especially if you have a protection piece on board.
>>97126138why not wait 'til I kill opp B tho and then kill my protection?
Does every deck NEED ramp? I prefer to play creatures on turns 1-3, commander on turn 4, and by then I have 4-5 lands on turn 5 and mana rocks just feel like a wasted card.I usually just run sol ring and signet, maybe a mind stone.
>>97126209No, you don't need ramp in every deck. Mana stability is enough.
>>97126121Not everyone is as good as reading a board as other people.Some people do shit like this for no reason other than spite.It doesn't matter if they lose, you made a play against them and they got bitter about it.Some guy cost me, himself and other player the game one game for seemingly no reason other than because I told him he needed to call out what counter spell he's actually using when he just said "I counter you commander" and I asked "with what" and he got defensive until I got up to look at his graveyard only to see he tried to counter a creature with swan song.This format can be chill, but its also full of retards and autistics
>>97126209Not necessarily. If your cmc is really low you can go without it. My Bart Lurrus deck doesn't run that much since everything is capped at 2. I still run a handful of rocks to cast multiple spells a turn earlier, and mana vault to hit Lurrus early. Depends entirely on the deck.
>>97126209yea the ones that can be turned in for cards are pretty much the only ones worth running like you said and edge of autumn in in green
>>97126227I have certainly seen spite plays like this before or ones that go out of their way to try and piss people off before keeling over. it just seems so much more common these days
>>97125523Whats up with scamistan?
>Wow bro, you used cursed totem? You're totally not letting me play the game>Okay, I destroy your totem>2 turns later>I play void winnower.Spite plays and retards with no self-awareness are killing this format for me.
>>97126209No, a deck with a very low average mana cost can skip them, or if your local meta is slow enough. But most decks want to ramp into playing multiple cards a turn because most one and two cost cards aren't going to do much against three opponents who start with forty life each.
>You shouldn't have any spell that costs the same as your commander in your curve>Commander cost 2Is this a nonsense "rule of thumb" or what
Help, my Toph Metalbender deck gets blown out by fliersWhat do I do?
combos or just ETB value and smacking faces?
>>97126394There's some nuance that's being missed: you shouldn't be running spells the same cmc as your commander IF they're only good tempo plays when you play them on curve, and only IF you intend to play your commander on curve.
>>97126394>Yet another autist fails to understand how a rule of thumb worksNothing new under the sun
>>97126407add something that'd help you block or kill fliers
>>97126436>>97126436>>97126436
>>97126407Beat them on the ground. Flying is the prime evasive keyword beneath trample and unblockable for a reason. Tramplers tend to be stronger so race them and tell your other opponents that the flyers are coming for them if you get taken out first.
>>97126433Etb valueCombat trigger valueDamage trigger value Combo is for faggots Win through combat damage or don't win at all
>>97126407Sandwurm Convergence, Windstorm, Tornado Elemental, Bower Passage...Green has ton of options to deal with fliers, your choice if you want to prevent the damage, kill the little shits, or just ignore them.
>>97126168Maybe he thought you were gunna mill him!!! Thats why other anon said did you state your intent
>>97126394It's from Brawl players who want to tempo into their commander every game. Brawl plays a lot more like 60 card formats, so tempo actually works.
>>97125664Honestly as a Gisafag all you really have to do is dump high power low toughness creatures on the board and ensure you have enough cards in hand to kill anything that might threaten your horde while regenerating or resurrecting anything that goes into your graveyard.
>>97118589Goes in every green deck. Has for over a decade at this point. Doesn't matter if it's a grave focused deck.
>>97123185>and is an instant speed monocolored ruinous ultimatumonly if you win on untap, otherwise opponents just redeploy. i know in games where pace matters bounce is as good as destroy, but it's a meaningful difference from ultimatum in casual play.
>>97127105That's unironically just the average Commander player being atrocious at the game. Even if you don't literally win that turn, the tempo loss is usually colossal.
