Previous: >>98082075Form over function edition>Most recent banlist updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQAre there commanders you're interested in running but don't because they lack cool art?
>>98088964>TQ
>TQI've been designing my proxies with art I choose.Speaking of, what do people think of the style? Both the art themes and the borders?
>>98089024pretty based designs anon
barefoot witches
>>98089074if I see anyone use any of these cards and they don't immediately show me loli porn in their phones, I'll kill them for being reddit.
>>98089081based
>>98088964Yes but like >>98089024, I took matters into my own hands
>>98089074Going straight into my cute-art-only Rin and Seri deck.
>>98089074feet fags can't keeping getting away with this
>>98089152Oh, but they can
>>98089152Dont worry, as the last female body part that is allowed to be sexualized, it too shall soon be haram, and female characters on magic cards will unironically start wear burkas.
>>98089152 WoTC thinks feet is a fetish that wont get them crucified by the twitter mob
>>98089194time to start a shitstorm on twitter
Datas card(s) will be wordslop because they'll resist using contractions for his text.
>>98089074>SimzArtVery based choice of artist.
>>98089194It won't
Google just making up printings now, I love it.
I'm too autistic to find a game
Post decks.
>>98088964Are we pro MOM now?
They chimpin out
>>98089350
>>98089350>bracket 4
>>98089468>caring about brackets
>>98089074I'd rather have a cute witch rather than whatever witch enchantress currently is desu
Damn. I had no idea this card existed.
>>98088964>Are there commanders you're interested in running but don't because they lack cool art?No. I'd just make my own proxy version if this was an issue for me.
>>98089074selling out in 3 minutes.I kind of want the garfield shit but I'm not staying up overnight just to get fucked after waiting in line 2 hours.
>going to a traditional games con at the end of the month>literally only one MTG artistsad but at least i can get Boseiju and Felidar Retreat signed
>playing my lulu deck>master transmuter armageddon clock>move 400~ counters off of my eternity vessel onto doomsday clock (aether doubler artifact) >pay 8 and remove 2 counters from armageddon clock>nuke everyone for 400
>>98089552meet me at magiccon amsterdam. we can shitpost in real life.
>>98089468try using your brain for once
>>98089559Charge counters and doom counters are not the same thing
>>98089559Anon
>>98089560dont have the dosh for it im afraid.I hope you have a great rime though
Nigga really just calls them "counters" and thinks they're all interchangeable
>>98089507would be hilarious against light-paws
>>98088964>tqI don't give a fuck about how ugly a card is. I always buy the most beat-to-shit undesirable HP version of any card I can. I would sooner get a $20 TMNT version of Shadowspear than the $40 equivalent.That being said Errant and Giada is ugly enough I mistook it for a Doctor Who card when I first saw the art. But they're one of my favorite commanders in recent memory. Very fun to pilot. Wish I didn't have to feel guilty running it at my LGS, but too often it feels a lot like whipping a handicapped child.
>>98089559mr anonymous poster-kun...
>>98088964>Are there commanders you're interested in running but don't because they lack cool art?I probably would have converted my C16 Ezuri to pic related but I despise how much WotC keeps trying to push Zimone as a character I'm supposed to care about.
I want to play a dungeon delver background for a white commander, but I was not into magic when venturing into the dungeon and initiative came in. What dungeon(s) are the best to venture into?
Would anyone even care if I played pic rel
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>98089690Untrue
>>98089559JUDGE, my opponent appears to be illiterate
>14 cards that can protect winota Do I need more? I also have 23 tiny trigger enablers and 23 humans, seems like a decent ratio
>>98089688As long as you don't try to do anything with stickers, probably not
>>98089676made this cuz I don't like her
>>98089678Dungeon of the Mad Mage is the best pay off from the normal enter the dungeon dungeons. But it's also the longest to get through. Tomb of Annihilation is best if you're playing something like Sefris that wants to finish dungeons fast. Lost Mine of Phandelver is ok value wise but best used when you have some infinite enter the dungeon triggers set up to kill the table. The The initiative Undercity is rgood as well but it specifically requires a take the initiative card to enter first. If you're trigger everything twice you should be getting some good value out of either of the. Who's the commander you're thinking of leading with?
>>98089757I'm a little baffled by how much I prefer this over the card we got. Especially the flavor text.
>>98089676Too bad because all her cards are pretty fun.
>>98089676>>98089757I made her because she is ugly and call her my "Magical Negro Deck."
>>98089757A significant improvement
>>98089688I play with the cat lady all the time and no one cares
>>98089785>all her cardsThis is my biggest problem with Zimone though, she has so fucking many cards. It feels like WotC printing a new Zimone is an annual tradition at this point. I don't like when characters are forced down my throat. See also Kellan.
>>98089820My peeve with OTJ Kellan is that he breaks with previous versions by not having an adventure ability.
>>98089820>This faerie manlet is fucking super hot vampire noblewomen and basically you are fucking stupid. Join up to find out why.
>>98089834He also abandons his red, for the OTJ card yet his foundation card, that show him in OTJ, goes back to being red, so is not like his growing as character meant ditching red
>>98089820Kellan at least was supposed to be the protagonist of that little arc. Zimone is just kind of there.
>>98089468>using brackets
>>98089764Thank you anon. I wanted to use Rasaad
>>98089876Thats probably the annoying part, always the side character, never the protagonist, yet has soo much screentime
>head down to the friendly local Micro Center because they have Lorwyn bundles at MSRP>a good dozen Spider-Man booster boxes sitting there rotting
>>98089468it is indeed bracket 4, but one that putting on against the odds is already a tall ask
>>98089876Zimone is the self insert of one of the designers.
>>98089350>look at my deck guys, full of soul and not like those other slop decks>yeah let me have the best tutors in my colors while i'm at it
>>98089676Just waiting for Tyvar to smash her and then her character can be retired.
>>98089927Who are you quoting?
>>98089834That honestly was such nice bit of flavor in a card, he carrying his home plane signature mechanic on his cards even when appearing on planes that had nothing to do with adventures, wish we could see things like that more.
>>98089757Gross
>>98089350Those duals BETTER BE REAL or I swear to god i am going to lose it like Eminem!
>bare feet>visible brabros, are we back?
>>98089964le mtg is le healing or whatever /v/ meme you're trying
>>98089927>edhrec>average anons deck listname a more iconic duo
>>98089990my mouth and Avacyn's pale titties
>>98089944Yes they are real. Thankfully many of the EDH staples I picked up in 2010-2012 skyrocketed in price and Ive been able to trade some of them for the duals I sold long ago. Five down, five more to go.
>>98090015Even when I started playing in RTR a dual was like the price of a fucking standard deck
>>98089350I like piles.
>>98090020I traded for them originally in 2009-2011 and the most expensive one was Underground Sea for $200. I think a bunch were around $60-80. Still a lot, but better than getting a foil Baneslayer Angel for $100 that was rotating out of standard. Standard being expensive is what pushed my friends and I to just play EDH, and of course pre-releases.
>>98090027you are missing new clone girl from tmnt
>>98089350i built this yesterday out of stuff i have. goldfishing has been fairly promising but i need better lands and more card draw i think. I don't know where my Opt/Consider type cards are at, my collection is quite large at this point and only somewhat well sorted.
>>98089990Dragons and homosexual male behavior.
>>98088964Why is Errant allowed to have a gun when they were banned from Outlaws of Thunder Junction?
>>98089074Fucking based.
>>98090015I bought 4 LEDs for $80 each for my dredge deck then sold them for $250 because legacy tournaments died in my area. Now they're worth $600 each. Fml
>>98089820Kellan, Loot and Zimone will never be over with me, brother
>>98088964>tqI exclusively run cute girls as my commanders so basically every commander I'd like to play is unavailable for me, especially since I like to play aggro/voltron or battlecruiser. Thankfully UB means the odds of getting a cute commander are higher but it's a crapshoot whether or not it'll be one I want to use, like if Azula had the Hulk's mechanics it'd be my dream card.
>>98089676>yet another heckin genius negroThis is just a noble savage trope at this point
>>98089820Making planeswalkers they face of the game then restricting them to a gimmick card people can't use as commanders was such a retarded move.
>>98090162>Making planeswalkers ... was such a retarded move.Yes I agree.>Hmm yes let's have our story based around characters that now powerscale wildly out of control>Wtf why do none of our stories have stakes anymore
>>98090182WotC doesn't know how to world build. That's why despite having a monopoly on the default tcg and table top products for decades now neither MtG nor D&D have ever produced widely recognized characters or stories.
>>98090224It's weird how the most iconic characters in D&D (that weren't from BG3 for obvious reasons) ended up a pair of incestuous dragon deities that secretly want to hatefuck each other.
>>98090256that's just tiamat, bahamut is chaste!
>>98090149>I exclusively run cute girls as my commandersNow that's an intensely tight restriction in Magic. I can't image you have many options there.
How would you build this mad chad in 2026?
>>98090119Well you made money. I've always made money selling/trading my cards, even though they are worth more now if I still kept them. It's a trading card game after all.
>>98090256???
>>98090314I unironically bought this guy up because he was memed here. Same with a few other cards with yoked guys on them.
>>98090063Oh yeah I forgot about her. Honestly I don't play this deck a ton . It's a once in a while treat.I'll have to toss her in.
>>98090342He's badass, has sick flavor text and is cool. If he was printed today he'd probably cos 1RR and have trample and haste too.
>>98090149Really sorry to hear you have crippling autism. They may have meds for it.And weight loss drugs for the quintuple chin.
>>98090353>you're cringe for wanting cute girls>but furries and faggotry in my tcg? let's goooo
>>98090363Who are you quoting?
>>98090266So says Bahamut, but Tiamat has a very different story to tell about that.
Hello? Resellers? You missed one!
>>98090373based luck maxxer
Update to the brackets for anyone who missed it
Alright guys as promised im going to go sell this card to my LGS for a play booster box
>>98090402a nice summary of bracket 0 (rule zero) anon, i'm saving this
>>98090372>yes i believe the evil dragon whore that has every reason to lie
>>98090407What's wrong with your hand, anon?
>>98089350I really like the playstyle of KCI combo and aggro shops, gonna try to find room for a copy of Arcbound Ravager and Patchwork soon.
>>98090431Black
>>98089882One would need to be a total schizo retard who deserves to be beaten by a shovel to still be raging against them at this point.
>>98090425>I believe the self-righteous "good" dragon slut that has every reason to proclaim moral purity
>>98090432>Sphinx of the Steel WindThat's my big boy!>Sword of the MeekWhat's the synergy with that?
>>98090447Mostly Thopter Foundry, but sometimes you just feed it to a sac outlet before playing a 1/1 for value.
>>98090437No need to rage. I just don't use them.
>>98090434is it terminal?
>>98090407I don't get why this is so expensive.
>>98090477Because retards exist.
>>98090101Capenna was allowed to have close-enough guns
>>98090466Sadly :(>>98090407Turns out I'm selling these two to try and get a collect booster. Don't know which one though.
>>98090407You can sell that and buy the superior version foiled twice with change.
>>98090162>then restricting them to a gimmick card people can't use as commanders was such a retarded move.you realize they made Planeswalkers before EDH really became a "thing," right?
>>98090501oops
>>98090477rare printing of a powerful card with added meme value
>>98090507nta but wotc can simply create new walkers that scale to edh, may even come with abilities like "enters with X additional loyalty counters, where X is the number of opponents you have"the reason why they're scaling back on walkers is because they're conserving design space on it + they're trying to move away from the stink of the jacetice league
>>98090533>they're trying to move away from the stink of the jacetice leagueMy nigga Reality Fracture is Jacetice League Vs Injacetice League, they're not moving away from it at all.
>>98090533actually it's because they can't jam Planeswalkers into UB sets
>>98090533it's because UB can't have planeswalkers and planeswalkers can't be commanders (yet)
>>98090543they're doing a reboot which proves my point that they are aware that the jacetice league was a flopwhen (if) they finally get to write better walker characters again that's when i expect an uptick again
>>98090547I'd argue it's because the last time a "UB" planeswalker was viable people fucking rioted (not entirely unjustified response from the players).
>>98090557This wouldn't even be the first time they rebooted planeswalkers because the existing roster had untenable powerscaling. However they don't seem to realize that "can instantly travel to any universe at will" is already a story-breaking level of power and it's fundamentally baked into what being a planeswalker is. Not to mention that having central characters generally means the story needs to be character-driven, which WotC not only sucks absolute ass at writing, but is also extremely hard to communicate on cards which is 99% of how most players will ever engage with the story.
>have a Syr Gwyn deck I haven't played in probably 2 years>thinking of converting it to NahiriHas anyone played Nahiri? Is she fun?
>>98089074I'll buy it if it's in stock, and end up proxying it when it sells out because WoTC is too stupid to deserve my money
>>9809055790% of the playerbase doesn't read lore. The art on the card is the most interaction with MtG story telling that the vast majority of people will interact with. Hence why making a bunch of generic looking fantasyslop characters and putting them on gimmick cards with varying power levels released seemingly at random in sets is such a retarded way of handling your "face" characters, and why basically no one gives a fuck about universes within.
>>98090517It is nearly 2 grand in confetti foil. And probably not as rare as the Spongebob One.
>>98090499>>98090407 I was told that the prices are too high right now and that if they stay that way then they'll take them but they shot up too quickly Does this make any sense?
>>98090712Makes it sound like your LGS doesn't have the money on hand for it. Basically a round about way to say "I can't afford this right now."
>>98090712Yeah. Remember, an LGS has to be able to make some cash off the cards they buy too, so it's not exactly the best idea to buy something JUST after the price shoots up. Basically, they wanna make sure that it's not just a random spike and actually stays there long enough so that they don't end up in the hole. I've had similar experiences when an LGS refused to buy an expensive card from me since they didn't think they could move it.
>>98090712cards like that are really only sold to interested buyers through brokers, not randomly to LGSes
>>98090712I would have just asked people there if you really wanted to move it that badly, offer it at 70-80%. No way they can get mad at you for trying to move it if they turn it down.
How is my Krenko deck looking? I got the Goblin Storm deck off WoTC and they shipped it today. https://moxfield.com/decks/2wqbNppuZkqclUpGupGNaA
>>98090758I sold cards more expensive than that to my LGS. They also never turn down a card if it is in good condition.They put the expensive shit in display cases specifically as eye candy to get you to look at the case.
>>98090772oh lmao I thought it was the confetti foilyeah I dunno, they just wanted to say fuck you I guess. Idk why they wouldn't just buy it and sell it for a markup though, "market price" doesn't really mean anything for cards like that that barely move.
>>98090769Why do people play krenko when muxus is so much stronger and more fun?
>>98090557Reality Fracture is Maro's attempt to make the Jacestice League work+ his copy of Avengers Doomsday
>>98090802Muxus is more fun but he definitely ain't stronger
>>98089350Not my strongest deck, but easily the most fun deck I've ever built.
>>98090811Muxus is card advantage and cloning him is more card advantage. Krenko dies as soon as he appears unless you're playing vs retards.
>>98090824Krenko just wins as soon as he appears, card advantage is irrelevant
>>98090829>Krenko just wins as soon as he appearsI have played against krenko decks for years and have never seen this happen.
i've literally never seen krenko even win, it's so clear what's going to happen once he's cast that everyone goes out of their way to keep him down
>>98090533I can save Magic. Start making cards that are good in standard in the common and uncommon slots so standard is cheap.
>>98090769Aren't you forgetting someone?
>>98090854Standard and modern are dead, DEI R&D killed it
>>98090871Modern is dead because of greed (Modern Horizons and LOTR)
>>98090871everyone came to the same realization that competitive magic sucks and the best format is a multiplayer game drinking beer with your bros
>>98090903And the faggot sperg grinders who couldn't succeed in standard or modern took that fun kitchen table drinking format and created cEDH.
>>98090903>multiplayer game drinking beer with your brosBoth are good. I'd play standard if it was cheap. No way I'm building a deck or multiple decks every few months as shit rotates out or the meta changes.
>>98090917Standard never rotates, it's just bad because the DEI designers and Playtest team are bad t their jobs and stopped playtesting.
>>98090854Ten thousand years of Mighty Mouse? Say no more senpai.
>>98090921It doesn't rotate every 2 years? See that's how long It's been for me.
>>98090964I loved bloomburrow
>>98090802>StrongerIf Krenko is so strong that everyone has to focus him I think you’re wrong>More funMuxus is in the deck, I wouldn’t say he’s that much fun from my experience.>>98090829He is good but it’s not an instant win. They can board wipe, they can counter him, they can disrupt combos by destroying pieces etc.>>98090853I haven’t played commander in a decade but I imagine this is very group dependent. There are plenty of creatures who can end the game and Krenko isn’t the only way my deck can go infinite. Other people will have threats too.>>98090856Will add, any suggestions for what to replace?
>>98090991>any suggestions for what to replace?To be honest, I removed most of the goblin generating instants and sorceries in favor of more goblins and ways to buffs them. I'm planning to make a separate Zada storm deck with what I removed.
>>98091005That's fair, 25 goblins does seem a bit small to me.
>>98090991Krenko is easy to stop and extremely telegraphed. Muxus is harder to stop and more unpredictable
>>98090991>I haven’t played commander in a decade butAhh. That's why you think Krenko is so strong.
>>98089468Yeah I don't really understand it either, definitely a "clearly a B3 deck but I wanted to run more game changers" pile.
What are some auto-includes for an infect deck, besides infect cards? Is pic related one of them?
>>98089944>niggas on here be so poor they think two stacks is an impossibility
>>98091023>>98091017If it comes to it I could change the deck to make Muxus the commander instead. Or just make it back into the precon if everyone has the sorty of hissy fit over Krenko you're describing.
>>98091052Chandra's IgnitionSoul Immolation
>>98091052UB once again to the rescue
>>98091057blame proxyfags for making people trust less ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>98091083fucking kek
I have a question/need advice as a relatively new EDH player. I tried positng on r*ddit, but people there are hive mind zombies with 0 reading comprehension.I had been fiddling around with my Elementals deck and gold fishing it, cleaning up cards that felt bad to draw, fine tuning land count, etc. Despite not changing any major cards (compared to my previous iteration, NOT the precon), it ended up being quite a bit more efficient at ending games fast and is now likely too fast for B3: on its own, it manages to win on turn 5 not too rarely, and sometimes (if lucky) even turn 4.On the other hand, it does run only 3 GCs and does not play the bracket 4/5 staples: fast mana instants, (most) tutors and off the charts value generators like Rhystic Study, Esper Sentinel and Smothering Tithe (also uses shocks instead of duals). This is because the point was to build a strong B3 deck that achieves everything using Elementals, not a generic B4/B5 staple pile. So it is probably handicapped for actual bracket 4 (as it will never be B5, since it is not meta).I am not sure what to do with it now. Ideally, I'd play with people with the same level decks: quite optimized within the theme, without adding off-theme broken staples., but there is seemingly no bracket for that (I was thinking B3, but I think it ended up too strong based on the winning turn "condition").I plan to duplicate it into 2-3 decks: try playing it as is in B4 and if it is too weak, begrudgingly make a stronger version by taking away some of its identity to adding the broken staples. Additionally, I am thinking of making a downgraded version for B3: take away the main fast win enablers and slightly increase land count (longer games = more land drops). (IRL this would mean having a small sideboard to swap cards for different brackets, and for online play over TTS it just means having a few similar decklists on archideckt.)
>>98091116Cont:This is the current deck list: https://archidekt.com/decks/22079588/ashling_the_limitlessMost fast wins come from: Phyrexian Altar (as saccing a mana dork and the commander is mana positive and enables an instant evoke into draw or recursion) or Food Chain (similar to PA but cannot exile commander). I am wondering whether I also need to remove Animar and Temur Battlecrier. Separately, are the 2 GC counters, the GC land and the 2 pacts unfair for B3?So yeah, looking for overall advice for this type of situation, as well as as specifically for the deck modifications (possibly also for the B4 upgrade).
>>98091116>it ended up being quite a bit more efficient at ending games fast and is now likely too fast for B3post list and i'll tell you exactly what's going on
>>98091116>>98091120ok now that i've seen the list i'll tell you what's going on; you've basically built a combo deck from the cz that will fold to interaction; believe it or not, there are many like this, and this isn't even the best iteration of the idea, picrelanyways, brackets are best used with combo limits as otherwise it's just a race as to who can best gaslight the pod that their "inconsistent" combo is low powered enough for the table; for example, B3 is best played when decks can only go infinite/thoracle turn 7 onwards regardless of the combo parts and how easy it is to deploy (yes this means sandbagging)so in other words you either>push the concept to as far as ashling will allow, in which case yes you're better off at B4>make a slower B3 deck that won't combo off until t7 but is more interactive/plays more to the board instead
>>98091057I was thinking the same thing, they're just white borders.(still nice)
>>98091133>that will fold to interactionI run multiple counters and some redunduncy, plus there are some "niche" protection mechanisms, so I haven't often had the problem of folding to interaction any more than other B3 decks (back when the deck was a bit slower and I was playing at B3 tables).>decks can only go infinite/thoracle turn 7 onwards regardless of the combo parts and how easy it is to deploy (yes this means sandbagging)Do you mean literally having the win in hand and not doing it since it is not the correct turn? That sounds very unfun both for me and my opponent, to know I'm just chilling with a win in hand but waiting out the turns.>in other words you either>>push the concept to as far as ashling will allow, in which case yes you're better off at B4>>make a slower B3 deck that won't combo off until t7 but is more interactive/plays more to the board insteadWas this a thing before brackets? Surely, "back then" people would just have any arbitrary power level and just coordinate in a more continuous fashion (as opposed to only 3 correct power levels: brackets 2-4 (since CEDH is only 20 or so meta decks)).Anyway, I am asking for advice what needs to be removed to make it B3 and what is most important to add for B4 (so I can decide between the two/try both).
Thoughts on Jaheira and blue, black, or white?
>>98091169>I run multiple counters and some redunduncyfierce and deflecting require ashling being on the board to begin with, force isn't consistent enough with your blue count, it's not as robust as you think>Do you mean literally having the win in hand and not doing it since it is not the correct turn?yes>That sounds very unfun both for me and my opponentthen why do you have such a fast combo in your deck to begin with? your disappointment betrays you>Was this a thing before brackets?no, this is a brackets thing where gavin has decided that t7 is an acceptable "combo turn" for b3, i'm just putting myself in a TO's shoes and taking it to its logical conclusion because the last thing i want are players calling the judge and arguing ad nauseam that their t4 combo is totally inconsistent and therefore is B3 worthy>Anyway, I am asking for advicei've already given you my advice, if you want B4 run as many GCs as your deck can allow
How badly scalped will the K-Pop Demon Hunter secret lair be? I wanna buy them but I know it'll be OOS the second it drops.
>>98091252just make you're own
>>98091179She's quite fun and comfy for tokenslop. New precon added a bunch of cool staples too.
>>98091252just give the Chinaman a ring
>>98091199>>Do you mean literally having the win in hand and not doing it since it is not the correct turn?>yes>>That sounds very unfun both for me and my opponent>then why do you have such a fast combo in your deck to begin with? your disappointment betrays youBecause I didn't expect it to be that fast? I used to have the same combo pieces in, but just with more garbage other stuff and it was slower (or maybe I was worse at executing it, idk).In any case, my point it -- surely once you "okay" a deck, you should play it as effectively as possible -- anything else is just stupid. Like obviously if my deck combos off on T7, but I happen to start with land into sol ring into arcane signed into mana dork, I'll probably be able to do it T4 or T5; it's just silly to not execute it.>no, this is a brackets thingSo, aren't brackets just bad? There seem to be way too few categories.>>Anyway, I am asking for advice>i've already given you my advice, if you want B4 run as many GCs as your deck can allowAsking for advice "what needs to be removed to make it B3", as in deckbuilding advice.
>>98091120just take out Ashnod's and Food Chain and call it a day
>>98091265>In any case, my point it -- surely once you "okay" a deck, you should play it as effectively as possiblethen you never needed brackets and you would just play cedh, but that ofc isn't what you really want>So, aren't brackets just bad?they're bad only because you don't agree with gavin that B3 should be slower than your deck, but you don't get everything you want in life, at some point you have to negotiate and compromisebelieve me it all feels oppressive and lame to you until you meet a guy who can angleshoot better than you and combos off more consistently than you with a deck with no GCs, then what do you do?
>>98091289haha it'd be a shame if your deck won the second belzenlok resolved
>go to a LGS I've never been to before>play with randoms>people are actually social and not silent autists>able to joke around and actually play politicsThis shit is infinitely better when people actually talk.
>>98091310there's a very good chance those randoms you played with are retired modern tournament grinders
>>98091276Those for sure, yes. I wonder if anything else needs to go. Just now had a T4 goldfishing win with Animar (and some admitedly fairly lucky ramping to have access to 9 mana on T4, though it only took 8); roughly the same should be possible with Temur Battlecrier. Additionally, there is a non-infinite combo with Champion of the Path + Twinflame Traveler which does absurd damage (similar but slightly weaker options with the other trigger doublers).
>>98091289>>In any case, my point it -- surely once you "okay" a deck, you should play it as effectively as possible>then you never needed brackets and you would just play cedh, but that ofc isn't what you really wantExcept, I said none of that? I just said brackets (or at least the 3-5 ones, idc about bracket 2 and 1) should dictate deck types and power levels? If a deck can often win on T4 it is too strong for B3 -- that's it. It is not okay to play it but sandbagged, since this is no longer a game between players, it is just a demonstration of the stronger deck with some windup. That player is not thinking "how do I win"; they're just counting down turns -- similarly their opponents wouldn't feel good about their wins, since they know the guy is just sandbagging. How is saying this, anything close to "everyone should play exclusively cEHD"?>they're bad only because you don't agree with gavin that B3 should be slower than your deck, but you don't get everything you want in life, at some point you have to negotiate and compromiseI am saying they're bad, because to me it seems there is an incredibly big space of decks that don't fit into any bracket: decks which are quite optimized within the limits of one theme. Seems like those end up too strong for B3 but too weak for B4 (as B4 is basically a CEDH power deck, but not correct for the meta, from the definitions of the brackets). Why is there no in between between B3 and B4?>believe me it all feels oppressive and lame to you until you meet a guy who can angleshoot better than you and combos off more consistently than you with a deck with no GCs, then what do you do?I am not trying to angleshoot? As you can see, I've on my own realized the deck is too strong for B3 and am trying to figure out how to proceed? I have no interest in one sided games.
>>98091358the point of running efficient combos is that it helps you win faster at the cost of board presence; limit the combo turn win to t7 in b3 and the point of putting fast combos falls of dramatically, to the point that you'd rather use a slower telegraphed line that can help you even without the combo, which is exactly what gavin wants the play pattern to be in the lower brackets>Seems like those end up too strong for B3 but too weak for B4correct, and?i know you're new, but this is exactly what happens to 60 card as well, many banned standard decks won't hack it in modern, vivi standard being one of them>i've on my own realized the deck is too strong for B3 and am trying to figure out how to proceed?you can try by removing all your current combos, play the deck as a value pile, then add a combo that only naturally comes out t7 onwards
How do I play a commander that isn't card draw in the command zone imo I feel useless
>>98091393the Vivi Cauldron deck was barely between Standard and Modern
https://moxfield.com/cards/BDAW5-campsite-cuisineI hate this shit
>>98091057I don't know what this means. What's a "two stack"?
>>98091393>>Seems like those end up too strong for B3 but too weak for B4>correct, and?It is bad to introduce a standardization system for discussing power levels and end up killing a bunch of decks as a result? I feel like all decks should be playable in a "casual" format, as long as you properly match power levels, but the system doesn't have a category for this type of deck.>i know you're new, but this is exactly what happens to 60 card as well, many banned standard decks won't hack it in modern, vivi standard being one of themSure but those are purely competitive formats. I don't expect every commander to be playable in cEDH. I expect every power level of a deck to be playable in a casual format, not to have a giant chasm between "generic value pile" and "almost cEDH".
I can't help but feel politics in commander is a meme. It's not reliable to make "deals" with someone cause even if you reach an agreement, they're still going to play with their own self-interest in mind and giving an opponent free card draw or mana or not destroying an important card on their field is far more volatile and dangerous than the potential upside of whatever deal you make with them. Without fail, """"politics"""" devolve into people at the table gaslighting the worst/least experienced/most emotionally manipulatable player into doing stupid shit and kingmaking.
>>98091479Works at my pod
>>98091467>I expect every power level of a deck to be playable in a casual formatdefine "playable"; for reference some people here only consider 5c playable if they have all 10 abu duals proxied>edh is casual!if that were true then why did you make a fuss earlier about some decks being too strong for b3 but too weak for b4? why care about a deck archetype's winrate in a "casual format"? your thoughts betray you yet again
I want a Bant commander but they don't do cringe pillowfort shit. No Voltron also.
>>98091502derevi tickets
If your deck has no gameplan against a 2 card combo and can't win faster than one it's just a bad fucking deck simple as that I don't care what fucking bracket it is
>>98091479Yea group hug decks are cringe and gay
>>98091498Are you just ragebaiting or just retarded? Everyone knows what playable means -- it means has a place in the system of "organized" play where it achieves a reasonable winrate and good/interesting games.The fact that the format is casual does not mean it is fun to play one sided stomps regardless of which side of the stomp you're on. The issue is that this deck, which I constrcuted fairly naturally (not just some weirdly specific thing, i.e. many people can end up with a deck with this power level) has no place in the bracket system.
>that guy who always plays "bracket 4.5"
>>98091537>caring about winrate in a "casual format"Thanks for proving my point that edh, regardless of its origins, can be played for keeps (100% proxied cedh being the conclusion, which is basically just nerd poker), in line with mtg being a pvp game since its inception since 1993>my deck doesnt have a home!!I already told you to power down by making ashling a b3 value pile with a pocket combo that naturally comes out t7+, but why am i not surprised that you completely ignored that?Lol that's because you just want to win asap with ashling and not some slop like rogsi, which is exactly what B4 as a containment bracket was made for
>>98091537nta but he is kinda right. If you want to consistently power match down, there's many cards you just can't run unless the whole deck is explicitly built to not interact with it in any way. If Kinnan is your commander you basically can't run any nonland ramp and your wincon has to be some shit like mill. If you want your deck to contain Isochron Scepter you can't run most removal because then you're just creating a miserable experience. At this point the card may as well be banned by default with the burden being on the player running it to explain why they're the exception, because the baseline for the card is being a problem.I genuinely don't care if archetypes die for it when many of them don't deserve to exist in the first place. Picrel is one that always fucking annoys me because it's consistently a pattern of "I tutor this one card, then try to tutor the most annoying silver bullets for the rest of the game, then get mad when you blow it up because my deck can't recover from it being exiled." I don't care how many people cope about how their "toolbox" deck is totally fun and fair to play against. If these people end up suffering and being forced to play a new deck so three other players aren't forced to deal with their bullshit, then that's a net positive. This is the premise of literally every banlist and ruleset ever where people playing degenerate strategies suffer for the benefit of others. No amount of cope over "let players enjoy their favorite strategies" will fix the fact 99% of players fundamentally don't enjoy certain playstyles like stax or discard, so barring playstyles is an intended part of rules, not a bug.
magic as garfield intended was stax pieces followed by 3/3 ogre beatdown
>autist got extremely upset at me putting my Approach of the Second Sun face up in my library after i put in seventh from the top>keeps endlessly repeating theres no effect that should make it revealed in my libraryI think thay was the stupidest, most pointless argument ive ever been in, i did it more to help my opponents than me amyway lmao
>>98091260>any queen>hornet queen>avenger>craterhoofFucking based. Would play with.
>>98091568>guys i swear my kinnan deck is fine in b2>i promise i will only go infinite/win via jace wielder of mysteries on t9+, feel free to punch me if i break that promiseThe simplest way to resolve kinnan and co. being legal in b2, and in doing so, discourage people from using them in b2, which is what we all want in the first place
>>98091581Nobody tell him that if your commander is shuffled into the deck, it's still in the rules that it's supposed to be in a different sleeve because its location is known at all times even in a hidden information zone.
>>98091568Yeah but sunforger makes me feel smart while i pretend its difficult to use properly so therefore you should just have to deal with it for some reason
>>98091594This was the system used for 15 years and it worked for 0 of them because the average EDH player is total shit at the game and genuinely doesn't know the power of their own deck. Then when obvious problem card does obvious problem things, they're honestly surprised by the fact they won because they themselves did not see the play pattern and just assumed the star aligned, which is how we also got the endless cope of "I SWEAR this deck doesn't usually do this."
>>98091602It'll never cease to amuse me that players want their pet combo to be allowed in the kiddie pool because it's totally inconsistent while at the same time bitch at the guy who won via t1 sol ring, a card that shows up in your opener only 8% of the time
>>98091594Why would I discourage someone from a legal deck? You sound like a baby.
Once again: So glad I don't have to deal with brackets
>>98091613>all decks should emulate cedh play patterns as much as possible in every bracketYou're free to believe that, though i'm willing to bet you never thought this one through
>>98091616*sharts out my "casual" tymna/thrasios deck*
>>98091617>THIS ISN'T ALLOWED BECAUSE...It's in the rules. There is no fucking rule banning Kinnan. You are simply a faggot trying to angle shoot things away that you don't like. You deserve to be mocked.I'd ask you to leave the table and likely so would everyone else.
>>98091621>umm stop it or else the rest of the pod who will totally agree with everything i say will kick you out!!
>>98091621Why is this against the rules? What specific rule is being broken?
>>98091624I swear it doesn't usually do this! I don't normally have infinite mana on turn 3!
>>98091622Who said anything about banning kinnan? All i really said was that b2 is best played when decks can only combo off t9+
>>98091626The survivor rulebook for killers.Section 39, paragraph 12.
>BUT IF YOU DON'T USE MY RULES THEN I'LL PLAY....Cool.Dovin's veto.Next?
>>98091568Not my play experience.
>>98091640>my experience? Just my basement
>>98091467>It is bad to introduce a standardization system for discussing power levels and end up killing a bunch of decks as a result?Yes it is which is why most don't care for the system or use it in my experience.
>>98091642No it's actually just hypothetical games I make in my head where everyone playing the game is smart (that's why it's fiction).
>>98091642>NOOO EVERYTHING IS LIKE THIS YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND AIIIEEEEUh huhWhatever psycho.
>>98091537It's pretty obvious you're dealing with the same guy who causes all the shitposting in this thread. You need to understand all he has in life are memes.
>>98091652And yet psychos are the ones that spend a lot of time in their basement
>>98091643>we dont care about that wotc invention called backets>we care about that wotc invention called the commander banlistAh, casuals
>>98091255proxying is immoral
>>98091671the commander banlist is not a wotc invention (yet)
>>98091678The banlist is in fact a wotc invention now, because gifts and co. are unbanned; absolutely unthinkable to sheldon
>>98091358You're dealing with the shitposter who obsesses about everyone using brackets and begins shitposting about some D Tier CEDH commander combo to prove you must use brackets. He's also the "FUCKING PROXY POORFAGS" guy and the meme OP guy
>>98091674No. Only using counterfeits and pretending they are real is immoral.There is nothing wrong with using proxies if you are upfront about it.
>>98091688Reminder that there's no greater proof of shitposting than having an OP with furry porn links, quite literally the definition
>>98091595I know very few people who keep their commander in the same sleeve as the rest of their deck. Two of my commanders are in thick one touch plastic cases.
>>98089074This is hebe. How was this allowed?We're all going to pretend this isn't fetish art, aren't we?
>>98090593>6 mana Boros
>>98091698Hebe is part of anime culture and mtg is slowly becoming anime adjacent
>>98091631I say with absolutely zero hyperbole that I regret all the time I spent on DBD (500 hours) and seeing literally anything of it triggers me and makes me cringe and get slightly angry. It should be studied how one company can be so extremely retarded and make the most unfun game possible with one of the worst communities in gaming but people still grit their teeth and play it.
>>98091698No one is getting bothered by it anywhere. Maybe next time.
>>98091704>It should be studied how one company can be so extremely retarded and make the most unfun game possible with one of the worst communities in gaming but people still grit their teeth and play it.Thats because DBD has a complete and total monopoly on the horror-based asymmetrical multiplayer genre. Every other one that gets made dies instantly and is somehow worse than DBD.
>>98091674not even a proxy, also gambling is immoral
>>98091716Dragon Ball The Breakers was honestly pretty decent and an interesting take on the genre. It still has a (albiet small) playerbase thanks to the IP but it'll remain small cause the game barely gets updates and wasn't even pushed that hard in the first place so most DB fans don't even know this game exists.
Anime is cringe babyshit
>>98091749this but "pepe" "memes"
>>98091749watch interspecies reviewers with your girlfriend
>>98091555You are legit retarded. Of course winrate matters in a casual game -- no wants to go 10 games without winning and vice versa, everyone (non psychopathic) feels bad for winning 10 games in a row.>>98091568>If you want to consistently power match down, there's many cards you just can't runI agree, I was more asking, why there is no place for the specific version of the deck I posted -- since it is what I happened to build, I'd like to be able to play it in fair matches.>>98091643I do not know the state of the playerbase, perhaps this is the case, but most online discussion places I see seem to talk about brackets (and Black Lotus Collective for playing online over TTS uses it).>>98091654>>98091688Damn, it all makes sense now. I should remember to not have more than 2 interactions with an Anon, as by then they are likely trolling.
>>98091765Girlfriend?
>>98091265>So, aren't brackets just bad? You mean is the classification system that removed Lord High Urza from its restricted list with the justification that players will focus it down despite the fact that the unrealistic assumptions made by said justification (always having enough quality removal to get around whatever defence the Archenemy player has set up, as well as the opportunity to use removal safely) could apply to every other """game changer""" in the entire game, thus rendering the entire system contradictory, bad? Gee anon, it's a tough call!
>>98091770>everyone (non psychopathic) feels bad for winning 10 games in a rowsorry but i like going X-0 in every tourney i go to, whether it's 60 card or edh
brackets are a fine idea but the execution is so massively shit why bother talking about them FACT
>>98091792holy based
>>98091792brackets are basically fine and certainly better than that dumbass 1-10 system that preceded it
>>98091792ironically the people that can't stop hating brackets are the rule zero casuals that never leave their house and only play with their friends; the type of people brackets were never meant for
>>98091792and yet brackets were still infinitely better than "my deck is a 7" shit we had to deal with for years and years. At least brackets has empirical guidelines on approximate deck strength.
>>98091802See. He always does this>if you don't use brackets then uhhh...you don't play...or um no one will play with you!
>>98091811It stops being better as soon someone violates your bracket head canon and brings Urza into bracket 2.
>>98091820who are you quoting?
>>98091811Counter Argument: Vague guidelines that are partially up to interpretation is worse than no guidelines. Rule systems must be clear as crystal.
>>98091790I am not talking about a tournament. I am talking about a casual game where you play against the same (ish) people all games, so winning 10 games in a row means you are either playing against retards or that you have a way stronger deck (either misrepresenting intended power level, or they are retards at deck building).>>98091811Sure, but if they are some guidelines, why not leave the option to specify stuff like 3.5 or 2.5. It's just way too granular.
>>98091827(You)
>>98091811No it doesn't. "Empirically" all voltron and/or aggro decks are Bracket 4 except Gavin said the guidelines written in the bracket rules don't apply to them unofficially.
>>98090921It's bad because they printed a metric fuck ton of dual lands that come in untapped, as well as too many good efficient 1 and 2 drops. The format sucks because the game is over by turn 5.
>>98091832>i put words in your mouth therefore you said it
>>98091834>ramp to a 7 power flying haste commander turn 4>kill a guy 3 turns later>B4!!!!!!common sense isn't all that common
>>98091765Kek so funny, this isn't cringe at all bro heck yeah
>>98091828countercounterpoint: people never ran a "my deck is a 7" FNM, but people can actually run an FNM using brackets now
>>98091792Aside from some minor personal gripes (IMO Blood Moon effects shouldn't qualify as MLD) I've found the system to be broadly fine. The biggest actual issue I've run into has been that the average commander player is a retard who can't accurately assess their decks power level. The amount of "B3" decks I've run into that are just B2 shitpiles with Rhystic Study or something has been astonishing.
Chud, the Avenger
>>98091851I am sure some shop somewhere once did a "power level 7 deck" tournament. EDH shows like shuffle up did videos just like that.You can't argue it is widespread now, unless you have evidence of 1. All commander nights being Fridays 2. Bracket tournaments being a thing in a large amount of shops.
>>98091853The player isn't poorly assessing their deck. They want to use that card but the poorly thought out system puts them in bracket 3 for daring to. You are free to let them run rhystic against you in b2 games. But brackets never seem to work like that.
>>98091858commander videos run bastardized decks specifically designed to be presentable on youtube and are not actually representative of what people will actually run in their decks
>>98091846sounds kino as fuck
>>98091860You are free to let them run rhystic against you in b2 game just as you are free to let them run moxen in b2 games; GCs are effectively an extended banlist for b2
>>98091845I've got a question about formatting here. Karrthus has haste, and has a separate ability that gives other dragons you control haste.Is there any reason they don't just put that on one line as "Dragons you control have haste."
>>98091864karrthus having haste means you can find him via a card that says>search your library for a creature card with haste
>>98091860>the player isn't poorly assessing their deckNo I'm not talking about people with sense who would present their deck like "yeah I've got a rhystic in here but it's otherwise built like a 2", I'm talking about people who are hyping of their deck as something strong and cohesive and "definitely a 3" but then in play it becomes very obvious that their deck is basically an EDHrec pile with little to no thought put in that's going to get crushed turn 7 when proper B3 decks start going off.
>>98091867He can also block gingerbrute!
>>98091823>>98091828>>98091829If someone goes out of their way to game the system or go "heh, my urza deck is """""technically""""" bracket 2 :) " then the bracket system still does its job by informing the playgroup that the guy is a piece of shit and you shouldn't play with him ever.
>>98091864It's an older card. A lot of times they would format cards like this that seems silly and redundant, but the purpose was to reduce confusion for players generally. If he just said "Dragons you control have haste" there would be tons of judge questions asking if he counted himself.
>>98091875Could he not block Gingerbrute if he was formatted the other way?
>>98091876>then the bracket system still does its job by informing the playgroup that the guy is playing for keeps and you should bring out your best b2 deck tooit goes both ways bud
>>98091856He fun. My deck.https://archidekt.com/decks/19723331/oros_deathtouch
>>98091792Holy shit the bracketshill is seething. Good work anon
>>98091792https://www.reddit.com/r/EDH/comments/1tj73vm/comment/onaqzem/?context=3The bracket discussion has recently been a barometer of how autistic someone is. I've been having a laugh watching some retard crash out how a single Time Stretch is considered "chaining extra turns" because it has the words "take two extra turns".
>player with nezahal has 14 cards in hand>other player copies jeska's will and double targets him>doesn't discard 12 cards to nezahal to stop the mana generation>Jeska's caster gets 28 mana>we all dieTruly epic.
>>98092001He's right.
>>98092001Putting Plebbit aside, that person isn't just autistic, but retarded
>>98092014>That person is redditWe know
>>98092001Unlike MLD gavin never defined "chaining extra turns" so i'm fine with them they're infinite 99% of the time anyway
This should have flash and an alternate cost of "If a player would begin an extra turn, instead you may play this without paying its mana cost"
>>98092001>20 paragraph replies with little to no tact Ah, the classic chimp out. >checks profile>troonOf fucking course.
>I cast repercussion >I cast chain reaction, X is 19>response?>"okay I'll cast disenchant...>...on your smothering tithe">okay, you all take 19 for each creature you controlyes, I did read out the full card text of each card before I let it resolve and asked for response after each cast
how come this cutie sees no play?
>>98092098Poison makes people feelsbad and scream bracket 4.
>>98092024Kek
Why do Marionette Apprentice and Marionette Master have different triggers? imo
>>98091052When the fuck is this getting a reprint?
>>98092107>noooo i shouldnt die before turn X by any means whatsoeverMight as well say all your permanents have hexproof and indestructible while you're at it
>>98091040Been wanting to try an enchantress deck. How's Daxos? That his effect doesn't really get that much weaker even if the enchantments are removed has made me interested in him.
>>98091674I am sitting at a cafe with my bro playing legacy with some decks we printed. You are saying I can't do that unless I pay $2k. To sit with my friend and move paper scraps around. You're silly
>>98092158if you lose the hophat for your monopoly set you need to buy a new box sorry them's the breaks
>>98092140>>noooo i shouldnt die before turn X by any means whatsoeverThat is literally one of the ways in which brackets are defined.
>>98092139>reserve list>getting a reprint
>>98092147nta but Daxos is one of those decks that you have to play a specific way and need to accept the fact that he is slow. You want the curve extremely low, which means you're playing a lot of auras that act as removal. The tokens do scale, but the mana to create them can be awkward even if you get the buck-nutty combination of Serra's Sanctum and Cabal/Urborg due to the colored mana. That said, the archetype has been getting support and you can make a decent enchantress deck in Orzhov to the point that Daxos can just be a plan C.
>>98091260https://moxfield.com/decks/OBW0cigNkES6w-2LKU-HwQwhat about more of this vibe
>>98092168>decks should be considerate in b2, letting everyone showcase their planExactly thats why all permanents are hexproof and indestructible
>>98092213Spells and abilities your opponents control cant make you discard cards and all spells cant be countered in b2 as well, cant have dimir prevent you from showcasing your plan
>>98091699>Affinity>Lets you cheat out more of things it has affinity for
>>98092236desu mass hand disruption should be bracket 4
>>98092267>help gavin black is being mean againActually the entire color of black is banned in b2, all it does is kill things make people discard and tutor *eww*
Wen marvel spoilers
Should scalpers be beaten in the streets?
Traded my SL minsc boo plus extras from my trade binder for this tonight. Have you guys been taking a trade binder? Mines separated into like 4 binders - $2+ trades I don't care about, $2+ stuff I'll use eventually, secret lairs, Staples. Only a handful of people seem to even bring trades to the LGS though.
>>98092344I have a very small binder mostly filled with staples, but trades rarely happen. Others rarely bring binders, and when people get assmad over any trade-value mismatch, trading becomes more annoying than fun. Also having to bring a jewelers loupe is meh.
>>98091595This is wrong. Rules say you have to use the same color sleeve for your whole deck, commander included, but you have to know the location of the commander. Ie it's in the library not the exact location otherwise it's cheating lmao
>>98092363This is literally how it worked since tuck was a thing and it was never changed so you're wrong. Commander was never about rules actually not being fucking retarded. It was about whatever Sheldon "felt" was right.
>>98092363wrong because you can manifest your commander and it must be public information that your commander is your commander even face down
>>98092392Sheldon clarified this misunderstanding years ago. I'd love a source for your cheat rule though >>98092395This is accurate because commander is a blue the card has and you have known into. For being in your library you just have to know its there, not the exact location.
>>98092404So when you manifest your commander are you forced to reveal it?
>>98092404Incorrect. You put your commander into your library. Your opponent exiles a card face down from your library. It must be public information to all players that the card he exiled is your commander.
>>98092408Oh you're retarded I'm sorry. Still wrong.
>>98092414Answer the question>>98092406
>>98092414Incorrect.
>>98092421Incorrect.
https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rulestips/2015/01/manifest-and-commander-damage/Retards
>>98092436>this implies you have to reveal every card you ever manifest, just to make it clear you're not cheating>or you could just put your commander in a different sleeve instead
>>98092445People arguing against the later are newfags that never played a game with the tuck rule or ever did anything with their commander other than send it to the command zone
>>98092445your opponents must also reveal your commander if they took it out of your library somehow and give you the opportunity to put it into your command zone
>>98092457Or, you know, just put your commander in a different sleeve instead
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/magic-rulings-archives/293138-commanderness
>papa_funk has stated that as per the EDH Rules Committee, a general's location is considered hidden in the library, as the library is defined as a hidden zone. The only hidden zones in the game are the hand and library, everything else is a public zone.Yall are dumb as fuck
>>98092477Don't know who that is or why you'd listen to the rules committee even if he's right
>>98092490https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8pghnao/
>>98092513sorry I don't tick
>>98092477Dont care, not sleeving my deck and commander the same color, you can continue to cry about it
Stranger of Paradise was cool as fuck and I want to make a Garland Deck work.How do I even build around him? The last like about +2/+2 supports the idea of using him for theft but I don't think there's enough support for that especially when limited to Dimir.I thought about trying to donate the stolen creatures too, to cause chaos, but with only Dimir colors that's also pretty difficult not to mention doesn't exactly have a wincon.
>>98092733Replying to my own post just so I remember the thought when I have time to try brewing later, I could try cloning him a bunch of time to steal the Monarch's entire board but that would take a lot of mana and be very weak to having my commander removed.
>>98092733>The last like about +2/+2 supports the idea of using him for theft but I don't think there's enough support for that especially when limited to Dimir.Reanimate/Control Magic effects. Also super secret tech: you can still self-exile cards you nab with him like with City of Shadows or Synod Sanctum.
New OP>>98092865>>98092865>>98092865Changes>Replaced the outline article with two infographs because official WotC information is spread over multiple different articles with new information frequently contradicting information from the base article>Reordered a lot of the links to be more cohesive in a way that only matters to autists like me (order goes banlist -> brackets, more important resources generally at the top)>Removed tappedout.net because despite its history, is mostly dead now and isn't a very good resource to refer new players to>Condensed thread culture section to just the Dr. Who link because I'm biased and like it
>>98092189That's cool. I hate foodslop, but that's just my personal experience. Two eaches own.
>>98092733>>98092741Edea is the only one that I could make work, both chaos cards suck ass unfortunately. strangers of paradise was pretty awesome. I wish ff16 had that gameplay.
>>98089885>really want to make a deck, unrelated>spent $60 on the deck, choosing some cards over others based on a $0.03 differential>wife throws a fucking fit, i'm wasting money, etc. Etc.>yes yes honey, ill be content for a while>see this Rasaad / Dungeon Delver deck idea>want to make itFuck.
