Are the bad guys in your setting more or less evil than Imperial Japan?
>>98732558Imperial Japan wasn't evil
>>98732584lmao
>>98732584t. takeshi hamamoto
>>98732558Japan was one of the few undeveloped countries in the world smart enough to understand that you have to choose between preserving your culture or preserving your sovereignty. One of the mistakes most colonized people made was trying to secure the future of their culture and not secure their sovereignty they are not the same thing. Tecumseh led his people to defeat because he banned European style farming and animal husbandry amongst the native tribes he arrayed against the American government. If your culture is that better being colonized your culture is probably already out of date you need to secure your sovereignty before you can secure your culture and this is the mistake that almost every colonized people in the world made.
did anyone actualy preserve their own culture anon?it seems more in a coma than actually alive , we all either seem european/american or a mokery of the same.I would apriciate if you proved me wrong anon.
>>98732631Japan is the best example of this. The Meiji restoration completely offended the Japanese social order of the previous centuries. It allowed Japan to beat Russia in a war for some northern islands and it went on to allow Japan to bully the rest of Asia for several decades.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szkurm5YYF0
The most evil thing they ever did was allying with Perfidious Albion
>>98732623Reminds me of Cambodia, anti-colonialism does more damage than the imperialists
Can fantasy bad guys ever live up to real world villains?
>>98732772Either degenerate, garlic eating, wineswilling frenchman or potato chugging, bogtrotting, fenian.Either way opinion invalid.
>>98732584even the nazis thought the japs were crazy lmao
>>98732639Meiji restoration was in the wake of Brittish bullying China. Every other far east nation suddenly developed interest in opening up and studying the far west
>>98732558More, much much more. The horrors they produce cannot even be reckoned in mortal speech without resulting in madness.
>>98732584The ‘rape and kill everything’ army is definitely evil
>>98733210In theory, sure, but in practice the worst excesses of real world villainy would seem like implausibly and pointlessly edgy schock shlock in a work of fiction. Obviously there's "too evil to comprehend" kind of evil in fiction, but that's pretty much necessarily something vague and undetailed.
>>98732558Fuck you for making such an obvious bait post>>98732584And fuck you for immediately replying with the obvious baited response
>>98733900If you believe the writers of the history books, sure. WW2 is the load bearing myth that the Global American Empire is built on and I'm not taking the word of people with an incentive to lie.
>>98734009It's not like the losing countries of WW2 don't have historians. Atrocities committed are not in question. Bias in history books exists, but it's more about glorifying the Allied forces and downplaying anything questionable they did than it's about vilifying the Axis forces.
>>98734009>Every photo, video, and firsthand account is doctored.Ok, then nothing is real and nobody should take what you say seriously either
>>98732584On the whole they weren't any worse than other imperial powers. But they had some nasty local incidents that got heavily mediatized and blown out of proportion, because they picked a fight against enemy with world's best propaganda industry.
>>98732584They were the good guys
>>98732631Yeah Westerners raped their own culture for more thoroughly than they did anyone else except maybe abbos is Australia.
>>98734019>than it's about vilifying the Axis forces.Vilifying the Axis has become so endemic that calling someone a Nazi has lost almost all meaning.
>>98734061What is it with japs and seething about white people online?
>>98734120It's not vilifying when it's true and deserved.
>>98734128They love white people
>>98734019>>98734120Vilifiying your enemies is good. Winners decide what is true, and the losers must accept whatever they're given. Anything else is a culture of womanish suicide.
>>98734418Nah, just dealing with things as they are and trying to look at reality as objectively as possible instead of making up stories would be the best.
>>98732558the big bad guys in my setting did nothing wrong, its just that the current governments are retarded dictators paranoid of any remote possibily of anything near their borders being there against them
>>98734128Same way burgers seethe over blacks
>>98733900The 'rape and kill' bit is already included in the definition of 'army'
>>98732584Fpbp
>Redditors think off-topic political trash is okay because it's about hating fascists, so therefore it's not /pol/ trash.
>>98732584>Naked ImperialismBased.>Rape some Dutch womenNot possible to rape Polderkrauts they're all whores>Decapitate 10,000,000 ChinamenHoly based>Rape and murder millions of KoreansBASED BASED BASED>Willingly fight a naval war with the United StatesSweet Based Christ>Get nuked, lose war, become a cartoon factoryHello based department?
>>98732558>Are the bad guys in your setting more or less evil than Imperial Japan?japan was not evil it was one of the super good guysthe bad guys in my setting as evil as usa* so pretty much maximum evil*united statians, no proper ethnonym and no language of their own and in general cancerous dog vomit sub-humans
>>98733900>a 4chud says raping and killing is evil
>>98738592/tg/ isn't just for traditional games
>>98732558Mine are budget Shining Path. They boil children alive at most. Still not as evil as Imperial Japan
>>98734524Ah, penis envy.
>>98734009>>98734021>head chopping contestThey put this in their own news papers it wasn't a secret.
Snow !Aztecs. They have some mix of druhkari in that they needed sacrifices to stave off something bad from happening to them but they were always especially cruel and evil and made sport of their sacrifices.This would ultimately lead to them getting ganged up by all the other tribes, backed by the empire, and having every man, woman, and child brutally murdered. The only consequence now is that they come back as zombies that can't be permanetly killed forcing those same tribes and the empire to fight them and occasionally launch expeditions into their territories to try and find the source and destroy it.
>>98739332Kek
>>98732558Define evil.
>>98740131when an anon bumps some trashy off-topic /pol/ shit.
>>98732558More, obviously.
>>98732584Fibby bibby
>>98732558I'm currently in a Shadowrun game. Our enemies -are- Imperial Japan, or at least closely associated with them.
>>98739072The Ethnonym is American, and in the future people are going to be confused as to why the American language is named after some irrelevant island populated by Pakistanis and Eritreans who don't even speak the language.
>>98732584Based
>>98753326Based
>>98734128This only applies to the ultra nationalists who can't accept that they lost or admit that they did anything wrong.
>>98733900Depends. Who are they raping and killing?
>>98734061Shameful display
>>98758813>..rape and kill EVERYTHING..You clearly failed 2nd grade English.
>>98732623Its absolutely true that Japan was in a severe strategic situation and it made sense to rapidly develop at all costs and ape the western powers. They needed to be strong so that they weren't next after China, and being strong meant having a sphere of influence to offer some geopolical strategic depth-not letting the western powers basically "get" Korea by way of half conquering China. The quite favourable conditions of the occupation of Japan after WW2 were due to a very particular set of circumstances-the prior existence of a relatively modern fairly industralised economy so it was easier to build back to than starting from scratch, being most useful as enthusiastic as local allies as communist china and therefore warranting more carrot than stick. That's not how it would have been if they got Opium warred. That's not the kind of deal that would have been on the table at firstHowever this doesn't remotely mean they weren't every bit as evil as anyone says. They became a European style colonial power, an intrinsically and necessarily evil and brutally violent thing, but with the energy of the existentially scared and nervous, which manifested as exceptional cruelty and contempt for the "weakness" they felt they would be devoured for showing, which meant that those who showed them that weakness naturally earned whatever happened to them. "I'm the one who hurts the weak, and therefore not the one who is weak and gets hurt" acted out as a ritural a hundred million times across asia.
>>98761813Given that I'm neither dead nor a hapa, I think you're the failure. I'll assume it's because you're a buckbroken bugman.
>>98732558All the factions are way more evil.None of them are really the "bad guys" though, because that would be redundant.I've got caste society techno-feudalist eugenic barbarians who enslave the weak and leave deformed offspring to die.The manifestation of everything bad about industrial society; basically militarized corporate hell, only held back by it's own inefficient self-defeating bireaucracy.Mad Max bikers who use rape as money, and make biomechanical abominations from tortured slaves and scrap metal.And friendly doomsday cultists lead by psychic or charismatic leaders, who deploy armed religious fanatics and child soldiers, propaganda, and weaponized charity.
>>98762473>evil>caste society techno-feudalist eugenic barbarians who enslave the weak and leave deformed offspring to die.pick one>Mad Max bikers who use rape as moneylol how does that even work?
>>98758120What are this wrong things?
>>98763229Not handing over their money and culture to international rootless cosmopolitan financiers.That's not kosher.
>>98762398>hapaYou could still be a nigger or a jeet. My bet is on the latter.
>>98732558hehtomorrow will be playing MSHRPG in 1950s when still ww2 going, based on Eastern Block with Superman Red Son storyso bad guys are literary Imperial Japan and technomagically boosted nazis from Uber (except real baddest is Confederate States of America, yeah we have quite snowflake timeline)
>>98762085>The quite favourable conditions of the occupation of Japanit was conditional surrender due to increased hesitance of US soldiers to spill blood after Germany fall (some units earmarked for transfer to Pacific basically mutinied) and military calculating unacceptable losses (Purple Hearts prepared then lasted to next century iirc)Japan kept Emperor for example thanks to that
>>98762593It's like the USA's debt coin system but with rape. Every bank is also a brothel. Any given rape coin can be redeemed but if everyone made a bank-run, it would collapse the economy. Since they're mad max raiders the banks are fortified mobile transports that the more logistical, less plundering convoys are centered around.
>>98763746How would jap rape result in that? Keep up with your own lore.
>>98764704So it's fractional reserve banking, but with sex coupons. Based and bonobo-pilled.
>>98762593That's the beauty of it.You choose your evil.Also, barring any guarantee of being a superior specimen, being the bdsm slave of a tribe of Super-Chuds would really suck, unless it;s your fetish.And rape as money works as a metaphor for being absolute degenerate savages.But also not a metaphor, because sex slaves are fiat currency in real life raider societies.
>>98767096You didn't understand the comment, newfren."pick one" implies that the two listed things ("evil" and "eugenic barbarians") are antonyms. You can be one or the other, but not both.
>>98767254No, I do understand.What you don't understand is what is evil to one is good to another, when dealing with zero sum games.Do you think this is reddit?
>>98732558The closest thing I have to a "the bad guys" is LOTWEP, a ghost in the machine that takes over corrupted AIs in the interest of waging perfect warfare against everything in the star system. It doesn't believe in atrocities, it believes in winning.
>>98732584/thread
>>98732558These edgey bait threads always ignore that there's a threshold of how much edge you even have the opportunity to cram into a game without boring your players or making them think you're obsessed. It's like how there's only so much of its own feed a horse can can pull in a cart limiting how far it can travel while remaining actually practical for anything. Imperial Japan did some fucked up shit, and to be half as comparable you'd have to bore your players with a detailed list of equally fucked up shit the bad guys in your game did, and you can't cram enough of that into a session to be half as evil as any real world empire. So no it's impossible to actually do that. Your players don't need a character's whole backstory to by sympathetic and they don't need to know all the evils a bad guy does to be against them.
>>98732558Man their little caps are awesome. I wish I was fedora enough to wear one. I had a chance to steal this I think occupation era coin when it got left in the back of a K truck when I worked in japan at a municipal government but I was too honest and turned it in. Kind of regret it. I did get to see military uniform stuff and some we2 blades in storage though.
>>98768597Shitbook won't let me save more than one pic at a time but here
>>9876859710 cents lookie, 25c feelie, 50c dooie. The other side says $3 all night check
>>98768473And yet you said that all of your factions are "way more evil", not "way more evil to some".
>>98769027all evil is more evil to some, you've chosen your faction in anons game
>>98770751>all evil is more evil to someAnd yet none of the behavior he listed was evil.>petting puppies is upsetting to puppy-haters, so it's inherently an evil activityretarded
>>98732584
Traditional Games?
>>98732558Imperial Japan was not evil, and my setting has absolute Good and Evil as cosmically aligned forces, so the "bad guys" in a greater sense are "more evil than Imperial Japan" by default/process of elimination.
>>98733900Yes, but we were talking about Japan, not the Soviets forced to commit atrocities by Jewish Commissars.
>>98773868>Genrik Yagoda referenceBased knower.
>>98733900Genghis is considered a hero for half of the world, even for most of those who say imperial japan was evil, so you're wrong
>>98773868>said jewish commissars were shotOdd how that happens.
>>98734009>word of people who's incentive is to lieSo you shouldn't listen to neo-nazis.
>>98773868>Soviets forcedForced? Really? We've gone denial and into 'the jews made them do it'?
>>98732558Oddly specific thread topic.
>>98774820Nta but j*ws were extremely overrepresented in middle and upper level leadership in the Soviet Union (and most other communist movements in Europe at the time, from Germany to Hungary).So at least for some soviet citizens, it is applicable.>>98774807Are the neo-nazis who control the mainstream historical narratives in the room with you right now?
>>98774156Mongolians aren't half the world, retardo
>>98774156By the ancient Greek conception of a Hero, from whence we derive the word, it's less about people's opinions, or even if you were a good person.The qualities of a Hero are >AreteThat is Excellence>KleosWhich means Far reaching fameand>MetisWhich is intellectAnd he has to have an>Aristiteato his name, which is a crowning achievement.
>>98773718Well it sure isn't universalist globalism and sunshine rainbow farts.People will suffer and die.Just not the ones you like.The premise is fundamentally to choose your "Necessary" Evil.Or y'know, just vibe with an aesthetic.This isn't bible camp either.(We already graduated)Man has a fallen nature.What that means is that unmoderated humanity is base, selfish and violent.
Less evil. My antagonists are>Feudal nobility who want different things from the feudal nobility who are the protagonists>A non-sapient spirit>A peasant uprising
>>98778398Based and hero-pilled.>>98778445Meek and gnostic-pilled.Killing your enemies, impregnating your women and feeding your kids is not only good, but your duty. It is certainly not a necessary evil.Spit out the demiurge-pill and take the conan-pill, fren.
>>98778840Anon, I. . .
>>98732558not as "powerful" but there are dozen of small groups of villains that are more evil than some nations army.
>>98778398That’s a lot of words just to say they were people who saved others from monsters or invented cool shit and became famous for it.
pretty spicy I'd say
>>98783588lolI don't know why you're talking about necessary evils if you're arete-pilled.>>98787066>That’s a lot of wordsIs this the result of 12% negroes and 40% mexicans in the public school?>saved othersNo you fucking christbrained faggot, that was the whole point he was making. Let's see if you can understand this: In a sea of NPCs (that's you), the Hero is a Player Character. What exactly he does with his agency is irrelevant, as long as he's grinding XP.
>>98732584>genocidal imperialism >>>>:((((>genocidal imperialism japan :OOOOOOOO
>>98787417>thirdie 'noid gets angry at being BTFO>instantly starts seething at the heckin ameriKKKan christchuds umpromptedEvery time lmao
>>98787460>can't read>can't follow a reply chain>proud of it
>>98787654>best reply the thirdie 'noid can muster is "n-nuh uh!">it has specialized reaction images for seething about ameriKKKa
>>98773822Shit I thought you died.
>>98783588A truly meek hero.
