What was the significance of this scene?
>>206051957Llewellyn is a douche
>>206051957I couldn't tell ya
>>206051957He let his guard down.
It literally explais how he dies. He went to fuck her, drug dealers interrupted then shot him.
>>206051957He got distracted by pusy
>>206051957He relaxed
He lost the protection of God, up until this point he was protected by Jesus but by giving into the lust and without time to repent, he was immediately killed
>>206051957God judges us and the devil lays it bait. Yuppie.
>>206052194>>206052214based Christfagsthese sinners ITT will get their's
>>206052194But the whole movie is about him giving into greed
>>206052033Retard
>>206051957>>206052033You see the lady again by the pool and she's dead.
>>206052284Your bitch of a mother
>>206052259He was righteous in his actions up until that point, it's not like he stole the money - the guy was dead
>>206052314FUCK YOU BLOODY BITCH BASTARD FUCK YOU BENCHOD BLOODY
>>206052194>>206052214This is what actual dementia looks like.
>>206052462You’re being judged right now. Repent before a serious misfortune befalls you, soon
He hadn't come until before he goes give agua to the mexican. Once he emptied his balls his cognitive ability suffered a hit and he didn't notice the killers closing in. Retain your semen
>>206052462>tips fedora
>>206051957It's a subversion of the usual storytelling trope that being faithful and doing the right thing will reward you. Llewlyn does the morally right thing here, and as a result the Mexicans find him where they expected to in his room and kill him.
>>206054657this. the anons who are saying he fucked pool lady clearly didn’t watch the movie (they die in two separate locations).
it's just a guy hanging out
mucho basado
>>206054657>It's a subversion of the usual storytelling trope that doing the right thing will reward youyeah, and if he didnt try to give the guy water he never wouldve got into any trouble. it comes full circle. he was presented with two ways to avoid his eventual fate, one at the beginning and one at the end, but he took the moral high road both times. makes ya think.
>>206051957being an easy cheap slut will get you killed by mexicansGood message.
>>206051957To establish that he had it coming.Pattern of bad behaviourHe got what he deserved
He wasn't really a bad hombre
>>206054739So how would that change anything if they both died anyway
>>206052194>>206052258Jesus fucked a literal prostitute
>>206052259He did nothing wrong until this point and even went back to give the dying spic some water.
>>206052194>>206052214>>206052258God couldn't have done that because God doesn't exist.
He was killed by God for giving in to his pedo desires with that child offering him a beer, and thus the chance to cheat on his wife with her
>>206052298I have been told in the book it was different
>>206052259How is it greed to take money from dead criminals? They don’t need it
>>206052194true
>>206051957that llewelyn only died once he betrayed his principles and was unfaithful to his wife. before that he was under divine protection.>>206052033the shooting happens pretty much immediately after this scene ends.you can see the cartel guy's truck pass by in the background while he's at the pool.
>>206051957He got agua
>>206054986Cormac was blog posting IRL
>>206056998>16>pedo?
>>206056998>16see >>206057281
>>206056998Jews get away with it all the time.
>>206057774based
>>206057774That's a pretty good calc score. I'm retarded it took my 7 times to pass that fuckin class.
don't get distracted by pussy.I like how the coen bros rewrote the scene to make it some poolside floozy and not a hitchhiking teen like in the book
>>206051957Beer leads to more beer
>>206058884The book scene makes more sense because he has an old fashioned kindness streak that gets him in trouble the whole story.
>>206051957Cartel honey pot
>>206051957Lots of Coen bros movies have themes of people doing something out of character or against their code and paying the ultimate price for it. Miller's Crossing, A Serious Man, No Country, Burn After Reading, etc all have examples of this
>>206059277the one moral character in the movie goes against his beliefs to help out the woman and gets killed because of it
>>206052033>have sex, get mex’dmany such cases
>>206059428He should have stayed a priest.
>>206059428I do not care for John Malkovich
>>206052194literally the movie and all of mccarthy's works are all about how God isn't real
>>206056998>this was considered white
>>206059913Pretty good in Con Air
>>206059913I love him
>>206059913Perhaps it's time to leave /tv/
>>206054986My respect has shot even further through the roof for him>Just imagine for a moment: You’re an unappreciated literary genius who has not even hit your stride before going out of print. Your novels so far have circled around dark Southern characters who do dark Southern things. You’re stalled on the draft of a fourth novel, called Suttree, which features an indeterminately young side character named Harrogate, not yet written as a runaway. You’re sitting by a pool at a cheap motel when a beautiful 16-year-old runaway sidles up to you with a stolen gun in one hand and your debut novel in the other. She reads in her closet to stay out of violence’s earshot. To survive her lonely anguish, the wound she’s been carrying since age 11, this girl has only literature to turn to: Hemingway, Faulkner, you. She flickers with comic innocence yet tragic experience beyond her years and an atavistic insistence on survival on her own terms. She has suffered more childhood violence than you can imagine, and she holds your own prose up to you for autograph, dedication, proof of provenance.
>>206052194The same thing happens to Bobby in Sopranos. Uncle Jun taught him everything he knew, allowing him to become Underboss, then when Jun is going to a public asylum for his dementia he decides to by a fucking toy train instead.
>>206052194God was protecting him while he stole Mexican drug money?
>>206051984Keep it up.
>>206052258>>206052214>>206052194>xtiansBiggest faggots on the planet
>>206054657>>206055465How is giving a cartel member water "moral?" If anything, he should've left him there to rot.
>>206051957First time in the film he seemed to lose focus. >>206052194Pretty much this. >but muh nihilism Shut up. At any rate it's a common coens theme so there.
>>206070667moss was a veteran he came face to face with the enemy lots of timesIf I may quote a kubrick film: "These gooks we waste out here our the finest men we'll ever know."
>>206070667Slave morality
>>206059913he's decent in In The Line Of Fire because his character is supposed to be an ugly weirdo
>>206070779Why would you give honor to a dishonorable man? Cartel members cause so much pain and misery not to mention the drugs they sell which wreck peoples' lives. >>206070794The Niezchian thing?
>>206070884>Why would you give honor to a dishonorable man? Cartel members cause so much pain and misery not to mention the drugs they sell which wreck peoples' lives.Cartels were kind of an up and coming phenomenon in the 80s anon and the man was dying. I'd bet Moss had some honor code thing to help the dying.
>>206070884Yes inability to act in ones self interest
>>206051957More like no country for old women
>>206052284>>206056814Anon is right, in the book its more detailed and obvious, he starts hanging out with the girl because she's on the run and its sort of set up like she's going to become a part of the story going forward, then they both get promptly killed
>>206051957>Hey grandma, here is the address to the motel I'm staying at, bring Carla-Jean and don't do anything that an old senile person might do to jeopardize or reveal my location to the dozens of cartel hitmen undoubtedly combing the streets of downtown Del Rio for any sign of me.
>>206059913He's an excellent actor but too much of one, has no thoughts for himself.Saying the US should bomb your grandma because the country felt like it is just mindblowing
>>206070884Armed cartel members in the 80's were booze and electronic smugglers at most, the real deal was smuggled underground or by airplanes under US permission.>drugs they sell which wreck peoples' livesThey sell it to bigger head honchos inside the US, cartels do not distribute on the streets here, someone else is doing the selling. People seem to retarded to understand that fact.
>>206058884They were trying to cover up for McCarthy hooking up with teens in real life when he was in his 40s
>>206070116>assbornYes, you are.
>ctrl+f agua>2 results
>>206057774Special treatment. They're getting away with war crimes and a genocide right now, because muh holohoax six gorillion. And because they occupy literally every vector of power and influence in western civilization.
>>206076493Which was pretty based and romantic if you take the Vanity Fair article at face value. Imagine being a more or less failed writer in your 40a at a motel pool and suddenly this runaway 16yo shows up, your first novel in one hand and a gun in the other, and asks for your autograph.
>>206052194I'll entertain this only because it's Cormac McCarthy and he does Christfag shit like this, what's the scene look like in the book?
>>206057066Uh, yes? That’s what attraction to children is
test
>>206056814And Chigurgh takes the money back in the book. Who cares happens in the book? This isn't /lit/. It has no bearing on the film.
>>206052194No, God wanted to fuck her like he did Mary, and got jealous when Llewelyn fucked her instead.
>>206070116Truth
>>206058998>kindnessyeah just pick up an innocent civilian when you have 2 major cartels and mexican babby yaga out for your head how kind.
>>206051957Hey yourself
>>206052033Should have been an incel instead of a sex haver he would have lived longer
>>206075653So the guys selling drugs with MS13 tattoos are just imaginary?
>>206052259This. Really it's more about his remiss attitude about evil, He downplays the evil he commits and in turn also the evil that's coming for him as a consequence
>>206052214This is the closest to correct, but is still unbelievably retarded and 100% wrong, indicating how stupid all of you are, and that beauty like this is pearls before nigger beasts and vermin. Ask yourselves the following:1. What are the overarching themes of the film, especially regarded chance and fate?2. What happened the last time Llewellyn made the morally right choice? In fact, what happened to him every time he made a morally cognizant choice and, more importantly, plan?3. Would the cartel men have found him if he'd been in her room?See also: the policeman retaining his virginity in The Wicker Man.
>be on the run from hit men>stay in motel on main road in sight of everyone>instead of keeping a low profile sit by the pool in front of everyone>tell retard mother in law where you areYou niggers talk about "divine protection" when it was simply poor opsec.
>>206054657>married man flirting with a poolthot>morally right thingLouie Lean stopped stopped to entertain to humor the devil and those few seconds of chat costed him his life. Had he kept walking he could have made it to his room and made a last stand but nope, fucker barely made it thru the door.
>>206052765His buddy in Vietnam was a Mexican. It really bothered Llewelyn to leave another brown man out there. Read the book people
>>206052427He kept the money, however, which indicates greed. He could've instantly gave it to the police and waited for someone to claim it.
>>206051957what's the point of a hat that doesn't block the sun at all unless you're looking at it.
>>206070667I guess in the book it has a reason. In the film it is inexplicable. That he admits it is stupid isn't really enough.
>>206067489Even if all he did was buy his wife a big house in a nice neighborhood, that's still a more righteous use of that money than reinvesting it in the drug trade
>>206077227Moss picks up a hitchhiker grill and they stop at a motel. The mexicans drag the grill out of her room as a hostage and moss lays down his weapon and gets killed.There is an argument that it was his kind gesture towards the girl that got him killed but this dude has a swarm of goons after him so really you got to ask if involving this grill to the shit pit he's in could be considered the moral choice. Take note he could have sent the grill off her way when they reached a town instead of going on a fucken dinner date which kind of tells you that this llewelyn dude might not be doing this out of kindness after all
>>206051957It would've been a better movie if he took the man to the hospital and left the money behind>2hr montage of them becoming best friends and doing everything together.
>Spilled his spaghetti over a 16 year old girl to the point he fled the country and doctored her birth certificate so he could sleep with her>Girlfriend reveals he never rode a horse or owned a gun>Real name is Charles but changed it cause he didn’t think it was cool enoughWas McCarthy in fact a fake tough guy bitch?
>>206052550how exactly is this meant to convince somebody that doesnt believe in your god? you're just gratifying yourself, aren't you?
I haven’t come up with my own theory yet, but I am here to say that I disagree with everyone else here pretty much
>>206052194But his wife never compromised on her principles and she got wasted all the same
just new boot goofin
>>206059949Literal retard with no reading comprehension.
>>206052194I like this interpretation and it is now canon.
>>206051957he got some agua now, and that's what killed him
>>206051957The entire film is being told by the sheriff to other people. All of the events and people depicted in the film are colored by the sheriff's bias and lack of actual information. Most of what we see is speculation on the sheriff's part. The sheriff paints Llewelyn as a rogue with a heart of gold, when he is, in reality, most likely a completely retarded piece of shit. He didn't go back to the scene of the botched drug deal that night to give some one water, he went looking for loot. When he dies, he dies in that woman's hotel room either before, during, or after cheating on his wife. This is the event in the film that contradicts the sheriff's depiction of Llewelyn.
>>206081771>agua leads to more agua
>>206052194It's actually a common thread through McCarthy's writing. In Blood Meridian the Kid (now the Man) is tested and fails and is once again confronted by the Judge wherein he refuses his philosophy and therefore must be killed.
>>206081556All the authors are. Hunter S Thompson was a sad old man pissing in his adult diapers before he offed himself.
>>206081857what's the point of a movie if you can never tell if everything you're watching is wrong?
>>206082622Because you're supposed to realize we are all unreliable narrators and you may even be telling fake stories to yourself about yourself.
>>206052194But why did jesus protect him after stealing money then? Your intrepretation is dog shit.
>>206081771>adventure starts with being asked for a drink>adventure ends with someone offering you a drink
>>206067489>>206083137you can't steal from thievestaking blood money away from criminals is as morally wrong as keeping a penny you found on the street for yourself
>>206078708He had no reason left to believe they should get him.
>>206082544Only the reddit coded ones. Niggas like Ernest Hemmingway, CS Lewis, Mark Twain, Tolkien, and Robert E. Howard were the real deal
>>206051989lel
>>206083976If anything his conversation with Woody Haroldson made it clear to him the walls are closing in
>>206082544Junger, Joseph Conrad, Celine, and what >>206082544 said
>>206084698The only reason they find him is because the cartel somehow picks up Carla Jean's trail, I don't remember if that's given an explanation. After he dodges Chigurh at the hotel and ditches the tracker though he's significantly better off and is going to finally meet up with Carla Jean to make a final break for it.
>>206057774Did the jingle play when he entered the room?
He was going to cheat on his wife and died because of it. Guess he wasn't such a good guy after all.
>>206056757>tips fedora
>>206070116Ok, troon
>>206052022
>>206051957A more interested Anon than me had an explanation of how the coin in the beginning reflects this scene, and how Llewellyn died because he veered off of the hero's journey and became just another expendable character.
>>206063588Wait so she was a fan of him? I had no idea.
>>206081857I like this answer.
>>206056748he didn't go back to give the spic water. that's what the sheriff wants to think happened. instead of him being a greedy lowlife that went for more loot.
>>206083772I guess you cant murder murderers either.
>>206085339Woody taunted him about being found easily even without a tracker, it was apparent to him that he is on their radar with or without the device so was he just going to forget about that? Nope his boldness is not born from being rational about his chances but by being short sighted, again.
>>206086419moss went there to cap the nigga to make sure he doesn't survive and give descriptions
>>2060791521. In Llewlyn' s case he tried to use good ol' self determination of man to escape his fate. He deluded himself that he could outmaneuver the consequences of his choices but he got curbstomped by fate in the end. Moss is the anti-Chigurh in that while Chigurh was hypercautious about his choices, he too still got curbstomped by fate in the end2 This assumes that he made the morally right choice, but did he really when he failed to do the actual morally right thing to do, staring right at the audience' s face for the entire movie which is to surrender the money to officer Bell? He did not, at best he tried to rationalize his thieving by offering agua to make things square 3. The cartel men would have just waited him out, plus they knew he was going to meet with his wife and they had agents tailing them already. So yes.
