>>206057114
Once shonen shit got really popular in the West around 2006, the Japs got complacent and only focused on what made the big bucks and moeshit.
Hell the last time I followed an anime as it was airing was Space Dandy, 10 years ago.

>>206057114
it was the Jews

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>>206057114
The death of cel animation.

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>>206057174
this. if Hitler had won we would be getting non stop kino Animes to this day

>>206057379
unironically hitler would've supported nuking japan.

Japan's economy shit the bed for decades and decent animation became too expensive to make.

>>206057114
Hirohito died.

>>206057567
I always doubt this because they have to be making a fucking killing just on their export sales
But they probably don't have much on the backend

>>206057608
>Hirohito dies
>Japan experiences prosperity rivaled by only the Romans and America in the 90s

>>206057114
Satoshi Kon movies stopped being made because he fucking died, you cocksucking retard

>>206057534
Hitler was on Japans side though

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The economy went to shit and >>206057249

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>>206057114
Control of projects shifted from auteurs to the studios who want to focus only on money making projects. That's why almost every new anime film is some adaption of some long running manga series rather than anything original. Only Shinkai has bucked the trend, but he makes rather audience friendly films anyways. Ghibli also doesn't fit this model since Miyzaki and brtheren are so old and respected they can go around these hurtles. But new animators don't have this luxury.

Reminder films like Perfect Blue weren't exactly money makers, and if anything they're probably better appreciated in the west than in the home country of Japan. I can't think of a single reference or allusion to Perfect Blue in any Japanese media, which is often replite with injokes and references.

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>>206057114
Kino of the highest order

Publishers understand that there's a zero sum game every single season to be played. That game is "there's only so many studios". So they've deliberately taken to flooding the market with advertisements (adaptations) for their own Intellectual Property. If Kadokawa funds 55 TV anime in 2023 (not a number form my ass, that's the actual number for 2023) then Kadokawa has successfully prevented their competition from making 55 anime for themselves during that calendar year. And while this competition is going on original anime are on life support because no one has the time.

>>206057114
more anime is made today than ever before. you don't watch any so you don't have anything remotely resembling a valid opinion on it.

look at this dude >>206057172 "anime is bad lol haven't watched it in ten years" how would he know then? arrogance.

>>206058296
more original series are made today than ever before, chiefly because 20x the amount of anime is being made than 20-30 years ago.

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>>206058099
>The economy went to shit

But the asset bubble burst in 1989-1992 - you may notice that most of the shit /tv/ gushes for are from the 90's! So what gives? Sailor Moon that everyone loves because of how bright and optimistic it was started in 1992!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_asset_price_bubble

>>206058508
>>206058714
No one is shocked by this.

>>206058880
Economy doesn't recover overnight, anon.

>>206058840
What an absolute nothingburger reply

>>206058840
I never said it was bad you over sensitive weeb jfc, you sound like such a little bitch. Anime is fucking garbage compared to how it used to be and watching it now would be a waste of time.

>>206057114
It never stopped. It was always just a small fraction of what was produced. Inu-oh and Look Back are some recent examples that are as good as Perfect Blue.

>>206058880
/tv/ gushes for shit in the 90s and mid 00s because they don't keep up with the medium and watch a few things that are long established.

sailor moon isn't enormously different from precure but nobody here watches the latter. they don't pay attention to the medium and just assume it's bad despite not having watched anything made after 2006

>>206058989
>>206059002
>anime is bad now despite admitting I don't watch any
HOW DO YOU KNOW?

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>>206058840
>overly defensive anime fan enters the chat

There's more shows total, but FILMS (you may notice perfect blue is a film) are almost always adaptions of long running manga series. This is actually one of the problems: quantity goes up and quality goes DOWN. You can't have proper budgets if you're making so many shows and you can't worry about quality of all of them. It just doesn't work out mathematically.

All it means is more tripe. There's little for someone who isn't an otaku or shounen fan to watch. Anime fans have LITERALLY the worst taste ever (both in Japan and outside of it).

>>206059071
Alright I'll hear you out. What is there apart from derivative shonenshit, moeshit and fag pandering shit like that swim team show? Mushishi had a second season a while back that was great but how long ago was that?

>>206059071
>anime is bad now despite admitting I don't watch any
This is YOU saying that, retard. It's a projection. No one here is claiming that they don't watch any, it's just a argument tactic that you're using to be dismissive of differing opinion

>>206059076
>why doesn't japan make good OVAs anymore?!?!
because people don't rent VHS tapes anymore
>why doesn't japan make good anime movies anymore?!?!?
because people don't go to the movies anymore
>why is everything a series now?!?!?
because people binge watch series on streaming platforms

fucking retard

>quantity up quality down durrrr
do you think only one studio makes anime? the fact that you're using a hackoshi kon webm says everything, you've barely watched any and have no idea what you're talking about. hackoshi kon makes easily accessible films for western audiences, similar to ghibli. his aren't even good, unlike some ghibli movies.

>>206059071
Name ONE anime of the past 15 years that will go down in history as an all time great. I want to laugh and mock you so please let me see it.

>>206059237
>because people don't rent VHS tapes anymore
>because people binge watch series on streaming platforms
That's the same thing you fucking retard.

>>206057114
the anime companies want peace of mind to have a big contract with seasonal tv shows. making an 80 minute movie with the budget of 10 tv shows just isn't as enticing

>>206059143
seinen and shoujo is made every single season, and much more of each than was made 20-30 years ago.

>>206059209
literally the first post I responded to said they hadn't watched an anime in ten years yet feels completely justified in criticizing the current state of the medium.

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Here's the chart for tv anime series. As you can see you cannot make quality if you're churning out endless 12 episode shows about random shit.

>>206059269
houseki no kuni, vinland saga, overlord are all some easy low hanging fruit answers.

>>206059315
no, OVAs are not the same format whatsoever as televised series. you speak so confidently on something you know nothing of.

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>>206057114
What are some other 90s anime kino?
So far I've watched Akira, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Jin-Roh, Ghost in the Shell, Porco Rosso, and Spirited Away.

Stuff like Attack on Titan or One Piece looks like retarded shit

>>206059434
>durrr one studio makes all anime durrrr *drools* druuuurrrrrurrr

>>206059076
>films
There's the problem of /a/-twitter-reddit-etc (and the people commercializing localizations) being overspecialized to follow tv anime. So your average anime film is completely overlooked by localizers and then fans because fan subs are mostly dead and no one bothers.
Most anime films die on the vine as far as English speakers are concerned. Even stuff that does decent numbers in Japan most people on the English internet don't even hear about even people watching like 40 shows a year.

I definitely blame that stuff first and foremost for why anime films are totally overlooked before I start breaking down things like 'well how many of those anime films are compilation movies or teenager films' that have limited appeal to the west.

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>>206059386
>literally the first post I responded to said they hadn't watched an anime in ten years yet feels completely justified in criticizing the current state of the medium.

Retard. It's because nothing has appealed to them in years. You're expecting people to spend hours watching tv series for premises, characters, settings, that they have no interest in because it's gonna somehow click "oh yeah, I love this show about little girls talking about cupcakes after all" or "I love that show about the boy who screams while the camera swings around wildly and they battle another guy with a sword".

Anime isn't made for them, it's made for anime fans. In other words, it ceased to be appealing to general audiences and people outside hardcore anime otaku which just reinforces the point that it's NOT GOOD ANYMORE.

I can throw a dartboard at anything in the critereon collection and it's solid gold. I do the same to anything on crunchy roll and it's tripe.

>>206059620
significantly more people watch anime now than 20 years ago. it's practically become mainstream. what the fuck are you even talking about? fucking retard.

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Zoomers will defend this and act like the quality of anime hasn't gone down in the past 20 years. Nowadays they cut more corners in the animation budget so they can prioritize action sequences and specific moments to put all their money into when back in the day characters were animated even when they were just standing around and talking. Now you watch an anime, and the characters don't move. They are stiff, lack fluidity. are less expressive, have less detail in general when it comes to the average designs of the characters themselves among most anime being created now. Go look at stuff like Sailor Moon, GTO, and anything from that era and see how consistently well animated they were across the board throughout the run time of the show and compare it to anything that came out this season. It's a night and day difference.

>>206059575
He's literally scared shitless to name a single decent anime in the past 10 years because he knows he'll just prove my point.
He doesn't know that Lazarus comes out early next year, which is Watanabe's next project. You're dealing with a fake weeb who just wants to argue.

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>>206059663
If someone says they're a big anime fan it usually means they're emotionally immature, literally children, or severely mentally damaged. There's a reason why "tranime" is a big word now.

>>206059537
streaming platforms are what direct-to-video use to be, dumbass.

>>206059707
>rapid camera cuts and tons of beam particles/explosions on the screen
why is modern anime like this? That's awful animation

>>206059687
already named three, add OPM, flip flappers, and made in abyss for "obvious classics" so up to six

>>206059707
completely non-sequitur response

>>206059721
people stream televised shows on streaming platforms, this is completely different from the 1-4 volume straight to VHS non-televised platforms meant to serve the VHS rental maket in the 80s and 90s. dunno what your point is exactly, just seems like you're being aggressive while being wrong for no reason nor gain.

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>>206059826
a lot of what's done today couldn't even be done 30 years ago.

>>206059541
ninja scroll
angel cop

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>>206059826
It's legitimately what anime fans like and love. more flashiness more movement. If this were a modern segment the camera would be flying around wildly to show how chatoic it is. I know that part of this is budget and technological limitations to reduce new angles, but part of it is that they're trying to replicate the look of an actual physical camera viewing these scenes. For me that gives me some grounding, but when i see the camera swinging around wildly I know I'm seeing something completely fake and made up on some computer.

>>206059541
Gunsmith Cats
Bebop

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>>206059900
>a lot of what's done today couldn't even be done 30 years ago.

...and?

>>206059849
>people stream televised shows on streaming platforms, this is completely different from the 1-4 volume straight to VHS non-televised platforms meant to serve the VHS rental maket in the 80s and 90s. dunno what your point is exactly, just seems like you're being aggressive while being wrong for no reason nor gain.
The whole point of the argument is that you said they don't make OVAs anymore because people don't rent VHS anymore then you said people binge series on streaming platforms but streaming platforms are what original non-TV animations use to be. People watched Legend of the Galactic Heroes (a 100+ episode OVA) through tapes. The equivalent of that now is streaming. It's the same shit and doesn't prevent something from being made. How you haven't figured this out is beyond me.

>>206059900
You could misstime 3d environments to 2d character art and puke 3d vfx over the lineart 20 years ago. It was just more expensive then.
I mean KnK is 17 years old.

>>206059541
Initial D
FLCL
Berserk
4 part Kenshin OVA from 99

Moe and Isekai. They figured out that sad, lonely men have the most disposable income.

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>>206059900
You mean something that incredibly ugly couldn't have been made 30 years ago? Sherlock Hound came out 40 years ago and it looks a billion times better.

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A better question to ask modern anime fans is to ask them what non-anime media they like since they mostly just consume anime. They absolutely do NOT watch old ass movies for one.

>>206060192
Yeah, it's Moe, Iseki, and Shounen. They can appeal to children while also digging into the pockets of adult men.

>>206060192
Idol culture too. Idol culture has infected Japan.

>>206059826
Maximalist visual noise for people who are constantly looking to one-up the last over-the-top action show that came out the year prior.

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>>206059900
Modern character designs are so unbelievably lazy.

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>>206059905
>>206060025
>>206060179
Forgot to say I liked Cowboy Bebop, but thanks for the suggestion.

I dont know why, but it seems like up until the 90s, anime was treated as a serious and respected art form. I watched Jin Roh expecting some corny power fantasy sort of thing and was surprised at how beautiful and human the story was. I always try to watch subs too because usually the anime dubs voice actors are really bad. It seems like for whatever reason, anime turned into conveyer belt style capeshit slop.

>>206060199
I think the main thing is holding shots longer with little or no camera movement as it's following rules of staging and direction created in live action films.

>>206059900
I look at something like that and say "it'd be good if..." and then list off a bunch of improvements to it. I really can't stand these generic anime designs that could be any character now.

>more naturalistic faces
>no snout-noses
>actual details to the face
>heads not as round
>bodies that don't look like twigs
>less cuts
>more long angle shots than close in to show the context of the action.

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>>206060354
Last point is key. Jackie says it's super important to shoot from afar so the audience can follow everything and to show you're not using trickery. The more cuts and the closer the camera is, the more proof they can't pull off these stunts.

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>>206060305
>lazy

it's even more baffling than that. I guarentee you the show on the right has 10x the budget as City Hunter. It's just that Otaku fans absolutely love minimalistic child-like faces for their heroes. They don't even look human to me.

You pop in 70's anime and there's some stylization and such, but more attention to make kids look like actual kids. Oh and actual god damn noses. Japan has had a 20 plus long year on noses for some reason, thinking they're not kawaii or some shit.

>>206060324
It was respected in the 00s when I was growing up, it was seen as exciting and cutting edge
Tarantino had his lil anime sequence in Kill Bill, it was practically pop culture
And then fucking Naruto came along and fucked everything up

>>206058041
not by choice. he wanted to ally with england and thought they would just have to fight the 'yellow peril' later anyway

>>206060535
The average episode of Lupin III from the 70s has more stylization and detail than a modern day Oscar flick

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>>206060398
That's why no matter how crazy new Dragon Ball gets, it can never really one-up the best parts of the original. Key frames and flowing action will always trump quick cuts and spectacle.

>>206060324
>up until the 90s, anime was treated as a serious and respected art form
lol no

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>>206060617
>The average episode of Lupin III from the 70s has more stylization and detail than a modern day Oscar flick
That's actually true funny enough.

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>>206060747
1971 Lupin is peak anime.

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>>206060884
I have a fetish for seeing animated sequences where they actually use the ejector rod. It's one of the proofs that someone has some experience with the firearms or did their research, versus someone who hasn't. In so many anime series they just flick the wrist and the casings just fly out effortlessly. Though that CAN happen, more often than not there's a slight expansion and you need to apply some pressure to remove them.

>>206060747
City Hunter is also pretty derivative of Lupin III, especially the car segments. Oh he drives a turbo equipped Mini too.

>>206057657
>they have to be making a fucking killing just on their export sales
Everybody pirates. I don't know a single person who pays for anime.

>>206060884
>>206060747
>>206060617
When Lupin III first aired, the character of Arsen Lupin was NOT actually public domain yet. Since then it has.

>>206059541
gundam stardust memory

>>206061213
I was talking more of automobile and gaming sales by their exports. Guy I was replying to was talmbout Japan always being broke which I think is kikery and complete hogwash.

>>206061061
City Hunter was still such a fucking thrill to watch, I was raised on this sort of fast paced 80s action comedy stuff like Beverly Hills Cop and was privileged enough to get to watch City Hunter for the first time as an adult

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What happened to anime?
Actual talent killed it.

>>206061405
China is eating their lunch now, exports are more competitive now and their domestic consumption is decreasing, hence why they have pivoted hard to tourism to stay afloat.

>>206061468
retarded trannies with zero taste took it over

>>206061495
Ironic coming from the world's most xenophobic nation. It was over before it had the chance to even begin.

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i find kaori more beautiful than these moe midgets that anime shits out now. Apparently I'm an adult woman fetishist. ie not a pedophile.

>>206061551
>the world's most xenophobic nation
I've been all over the place and they aren't even the most xenophobic nation in their neighborhood.

kdrama already surpassed anime

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You will watch ze slop

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For me, it's Hanii.

>>206061612
I'm just yanking their chain I know the Japs are hospitable, I'll just always seem them as my enemy. They are my enemy.

>>206061755
>caually murders 3 men

>>206061764
Well, good news for you: It's incredibly grim for them. Their fate was sealed in the 1930s. They're a zombie state kept alive by American capital as a buffer against the communist states. The rise of US isolationism means they are going to be a puppet to China or just die.

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I only watch good anime.

>>206061468
>all the Tencent MOBA money in the world and yet it still couldn't afford to replace its most cancerous writers before season 2
lol, lmao

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>>206061893
Is G Gundam your favorite?

>>206061891
You say China is eating their lunch but we're having their dinner and dessert, the way I see it. To be totally and utterly reliant on a nation you tried to kill only to be relying on our chump change. That shitty Corolla your pops got you for 3k? That changed a Japs life. That pack of YuGiOh cards your parents bought you for 5 bucks? That fed a Jap family.

>>206057114
takes too long to make, not enough money in return.
much easier and cheaper to cgi slop some 12 episode moeshit and push merch to autistic weebs every 12 weeks.
movies like The Boy and the Beast or In This Corner of the World are becoming less and less worth it.

>>206059237
>because people don't go to the movies anymore
>starshit/capeshit breaking 1 billion box office
ok doomer

>>206061931
it's based you have shit taste. sorry!

>>206061978
I know, but what I'm saying is that China is undercutting them in everything so now they have absolutely nothing left to exploit since China will do it faster and cheaper for comparable quality. It's ogre.

>>206061893
Outlaw Star started off really strong and slowly turned into throwaway drek as it went on.
It's been a while since I watched something that frustrated me so much as I continued to watch it.

>>206062093
Good riddance. What exactly does the world lose? More moeshit, more soulless idols? You think the Japan that the oldfags worship even exists anymore?

>>206062190
Dunno man. I only posted this because I felt like dabbing on some weebs lmao

>>206062078
Enjoy your lesbian melodrama with horrible pacing and nothing characters.

>>206062266
i did as has the globe. keep having shit taste, tardo. perhaps plebbit would be more your speed?

>>206061893
Outlaw Star is as mid as it gets but in typical 90s fashion, the op/ed's go hard.
https://youtu.be/Z5YLfPvvU6c
https://youtu.be/dAMCYV8iQNg

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>>206057114
>what happened to anime that made them stop producing kinos
Outdated information. Look Back has saved anime

>>206059541
Pom Poko
Princess Mononoke
Perfect Blue
Patlabor 1 & 2
Martian Successor Nadesico & The Movie
Gundam Char's Counterattack & F91
Gundam 8th MS Team
Detonator Orgun
FLCL
Gunbuster & Diebuster
Serial Experiments Lain

>>206061405
>Japan always being broke
But they are, by all objective measures. Their whole economy is just robbing Peter to pay Paul and kicking the can down the road until the inevitable collapse.

>>206062696
>FLCL
>90's
not only retarded but also shit taste.

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>>206061755
The live action adaptation is Anno-sama's crowning achievement.

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I make sure that I only actively watch things I know are good and avoid all slop.

>>206060602
Hitler had massive respect for Japan but thought they'd inevitably turn on him because they had a history of being absolutely insane.

>>206063104
Literally makes no sense to do it this way when you can just animate that entire scene and it would look a billion times better and more cinematic.

>>206062803
FLCL began production in 99, they didn't release ep1 til 2000, and didn't finish ep6 til 2001.

>>206063199
sorry as an official 4chan judicator, i am not giving you that.

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>>206057174
heh speaking of jews, have you watched angel cop?

>>206063262
dilate and seethe.
it started in the era of 90s anime, with the 90s anime style.
just the same as i'd say a show that came out in 90/91 but had the 80s style would be a 80s anime.
just the same as 'MILF' category in porn doesn't mean a "mother i'd like to fuck", it's an age bracket/look. there are no 18 year old milfs just because they've had a kid.

90s anime is a style, not a release date.
FLCL is clearly 90s anime.

>>206058099
whats wrong with astro boy? too violent for the time?

>>206058508
>most generic anime character ever right on the poster
i can already tell its shit

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>>206057114
perfect blue was so kino that america couldnt help but completely rip it off.
except not as good and with gay shit in it of course because its america.

the only good thing about it was that i got to see natalie portman's armpits for almost 2 hours straight

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>>206059541
vampire hunter D and vampiter huner D bloodlust

>>206063940
It was the 1950/60s. People still carried a lot of hate and resentment for anything Japanese because of the war.
hell, even in the 2011 tsunami, a vocal minority of the US public thought it was good news. "Remember Pearl Harbor" and "karma" were trending keywords on Twitter on that day.

>>206062696
>Gundam Char's Counterattack
love that movie but is not 90s

>>206057114
because movies a like perfect blue cost a lot of money to make

>>206063104
woah how did she do that?

>>206063932
You're the exact kind of retard who would unironically argue that The Shining is a 70's film despite releasing in 1980. We date the existence of a product based on it's release, not the period of time when it was thought of, penned, or in the process of being made. That's a retarded mentality to have. FLCL is a 2000's anime because that's when people watched it. It's not rocket science.
>90s anime is a style, with the 90s anime style.
which is also a retarded thing to say because that's like saying FLCL is the same in it's "style" as Berserk, Trigun, or anything else from that era which are completely different from one another.

>>206058296
Hosoda also makes kino. Better than the others at visual spectacle.

>>206063128
>fist of the north star
ahh im so jealous

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>>206059541
im not gonna tell you its great but i personally would recommend genocyber, its a 5 episode ova and i would recommended mainly because of the animation and action scenes, but its very gory so you may not like that.

again im not saying its good, im saying i liked it

>>206064291
you're just wrong.
if you hear a song that's clearly 80s music but you learn it came out in 79 or 90 or even 2020, you'd still call it 80s music.

>>206058880
they love the 80's and 90's shit because they grew up with it, this is all just nostalgia, its all it ever fucking is

>>206064475
>ur wrong... j..just because
>here is my unrelated music trend goalpost comparison
Cope.

Perfect blue
Death note
Ghost in the shell
These three ruined anime

>>206063932
>>206063932
I AM THE LAW YOU LOSE!

>>206064595
>Death Note
last 13 episodes are complete dogshit.

>>206064595
Okay, explain.

>>206064573
>sees examples given
>can't argue against them
>pretend they don't exist
deflect
deny
dilate tranny janny

>>206064595
I'd argue Evangelion did more damage to anime than anything. Also Naruto to some extent.

>>206064649
They have zero soul, these are anime that wanted to look like real life, they have no reasons to be anime and they are edgy for the sake of it.

>>206064291
You are ignoring the original question, which does have the meaning of what is similarly great in the late 90's style?; of which FLCL is obviously included.

>>206063172
he really didn't. even the term honorary aryan was only born out of political necessity because nips were complaining about nazi racial theory

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>>206064781
>Naruto
>One Piece
>Death note
>Elfien Lied
>Madoka Magica
>Precure
>SAO
THESE Ruined anime- it all became formulaic slop that's either zany shounen, grim dark shoujo, moeblob cuteshit, or ultra generic isekai trash. We still get the odd gem like Little Witch Academia and Cyberpunk Edgerunners (both made by Trigger I might add) but for the most part every anime made in the last 15 years looks, feels, and tastes completely vapid and uninspired. It's the same thing that happened, to some extent, with capeshit being done to death by lazy, greedy, film studios in the US.

>>206064475
Your stupid shit doesn't even make sense
>if you hear a song that's clearly 80s music but you learn it came out in 79 or 90 or even 2020, you'd still call it 80s music.
If it came out in 2020, you would be calling it 2020's music you dumbfuck LMAO. You can use instrumentations that were trendy in the 80's such as synth for example but that doesn't make it 80's because it didn't release in the 80's. That's like calling Stranger Things a TV show from the 80's LMAO

>>206058880
The 90s are full of cheap, poorly animated garbage compared to the 70s and 80s. That era is like weeb repellant though so they just fixate on muh 90s anime. Which is a good thing, they can fuck off and leave Showa kino alone.

>>206065010
It really was only out of convenience.
I like the part where the Germans tried to spread Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion and other works in Japan and the Japanese response was "...Interesting. We need to ally with the Jews in the future."

>>206065004
Name one anime in the late 90's that similar in style to FLCL that weren't made by the exact same people. I'll wait.

>>206061574
Yeah it's easy to forget that anime girls used to be attractive.

>>206064933
Ghost in the Shell has a realiztic style, but also does a better job displaying the uncanny valley than any live action media I've seen. Even the live action movie didn't really get it right. With that in mind I would say it sued its art style effectively and was thus justified in using animation to peruse realism.
As for Deathnote, I don't know if I'd call it realistic. It's full of anime pretty boys. I will agree that it sucks though, and that it's popularity cause a lot of imitators to suck similarly, but a lot of its peculiarities wouldn't really work in live action.
Perfect Blue could have just been a live action movie, yeah. But it was also good, so whatever.

>>206065328
Ghost in the Shell (95) was kino af
Ghost in the Shell (SAC) was unwatchable.

>>206064781
if anything dragon ball did more damage hell its the reason why naruto became so utterly retarded because the author couldnt help himself and wanted to make it more like dragon ball

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>>206065273
god early gundam was full of hot women, why is everything these days full of pedo bait?

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>>206061755
Remember Cutie Honey? She's back! In gacha form!

>>206065125
>The 90s are full of cheap, poorly animated garbage compared to the 70s and 80s
You're a fucking retard who doesn't know what you're talking about. The 1990's had the most money and creativity on average for shows than any era of anime by far. The industry was in a good spot and benefitting from the success of the previous decade while reaching the pinnacle of technological advancements for animation prior to the digital age. People making anime were creating more ambitious projects that wouldn't have been made in previous decades. Something like Lain for example is so off-beat and anti-mainstream that it wouldn't even have been considered as an actual anime in 10 years earlier. Evangelion deconstructed the entire mecha genre which had become stale and repetitive at the time. Bebop which fused genres while grasping the themes of existentialism and loneliness in a mature way which wasn't that prevalent at the time in anime. I just don't get how you can shit on 90's anime by calling it cheap and poorly animated while sucking the dick of 70's anime which were quite literally barely even animated for the most part. I don't hold it against them because of the limitations of the time, but are this stupid to actually believe it had better animation than a typical 90's show? That's just objectively wrong.

>>206065822
cutie honey shows up in violence jack her group helps defeat the bad guy towards the end, they all die but they do some real damage to slum king by destroying his castle.

i love go nagai, all his mangas are fucking insane

>>206065871
Imo anime started to be really good at some point in the 80s and stopped being much good in the late 2000s. There was a solid 20-30 years of good content being made, lots of really great stuff came out in each decade prior to 2010. That was the point that it all kind of went downhill imho.

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>>206065388
GitS has always been pseud shit.
>>206065273
I don't think you have any idea what an attractive anime girl looks like.

>>206065623
You're wrong. There was nothing like DBZ. It changed the game, the culture, and how you could go about telling a story like that. Naruto was a problem because it took all the elements that made DBZ good and made it stale and showed that you can become successful off of bare minimum effort and just copying the basic formula without improving upon it in any way.

Halloween changed the horror genre because it was great but spawned a lot of shitty Halloween slasher clones. Does that make Halloween bad? No, it makes the lazy ripoffs bad.

>>206065945
I think Devilman also makes an appearance in Cutie Honey iirc. Go Nagai is definitely one of the GOAT as far as mangaka are concerned.

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Great series. Great cast. Great wold-building.
Its vibes can never be matched.

>>206066028
(you)

>>206066070
a lot of his characters make appearances in violence jack, devilman and satan also show up in the final arc

turns out all the three jacks are devilman but separated or something, slum king was actually xenon and the dog person that looked like satan was, well satan, he was basically punishing himself because he felt bad about killing akira at the end of devilman

>>206066070
but yeah go nagai is fucking based he just made fun mangas and didnt give a fuck

>>206066028
Your redhead has a good design but I remember her just being a boring tsundere girl.

>>206066028
Where's her nose?

>>206066182
I saw Apocalypse of Devilman like 25 years after watching The Birth and Demonbird. Ngl it confused the shit out of me, but it was fairly enjoyable. Animation quality wasn't nearly as good as the OVA though. Devilman is one of my all time favorites. I also love Cutie Honey and Violence Jack but didn't see them until more recently.
>>206066216
Amen, brother.

>>206066351
i feel like the movies (or ovas i dont remember that they were) dont do violence jack justice, you should read the manga but unfortunately it isnt full translated in english.

>>206066254
She's actually very well made character. She's not just a tsundere.

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>>206066020
Anime as a legitimate art form can be traced back to 1970, specifically with the release of Ashita no Joe which is not only a masterpiece even now, but was so significant, that it changed the culture of Japan itself. Started with the manga but it showed that you can tell mature sophisticated storylines involving the physical consequences of competing in contact sports while also dealing with social inequality and class struggle Something of that magnitude was released at a time when the biggest cartoon in the world was Scooby-Doo. Anime became good in the early 70's with the release of shows like Joe, Lupin III, Aim for the Ace, ect.. There are too many great examples for that era.

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>>206066522
AnJ is kino

>>206066522
I'm sure it is good, but I have trouble getting past the animation style and the rather slow pace content. I'm sure it's not much different than most zoomers not being able to watch anything that isn't cel-shaded and changing frame every 15 seconds to keep their tik-tok brains engaged. For me though the golden age of anime is late 80s through late 00s.

>>206058041
dictatorships don't have allies

>>206066834
The 80s through late 00s is coincidentally the era with the biggest budgets.

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>>206057114
Because modern consumers are goycattle of the highest degree. The art didn't sell, so they changed business plans

>>206066522
AnJ introduced something that I don't think had been in cartoons at point: The grittiness of life as the underclass. From the very first episode you see a community in abject poverty in Tokyo's slums and it's not romanticized. Instead, you can kind of see the tragic beauty of people trying to be resilient and escape their circumstances.
It's a very slow story and rough-looking but I don't want to imagine what anime would have become without it.

>>206066994
Ah, good ol' Honeymayonnaise.

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>>206057114
Zoomers happened.

>>206066907
It just feels the most soulful to me. I loved anime up until maybe 2008, but then everything coming out people were getting hyped on just seemed worse and worse and worse. Now it all looks like a video game, just so obviously computer animated, I really don't like it.

>>206067099
God I haven't seen this since the 5am block on Adult Swim, probably 20 years ago.

>>206067006
Sounds Marxist af ngl. Hard pass.

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>>206067163
The series turned 25 like a month ago and we're getting some new merch.

>>206067163
It was one of the few anime I wouldn't bother watching back then, as well as S-Cry-ed, Detective conan and a few others that just bored me to death.

>>206067192
>trying to survive and be hopeful as a poor person after a war is Marxist
Okay, culture warrior.

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>>206066994
it's animation as a whole really. It took a different kind of spirit

>>206059541
Macross Plus. Great music too. Yoko Kanno did not disappoint.

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Modern anime will destroy everything you love.

>>206067099
woah, i didnt know the big O was a mech anime, i was planning to watch it at some point but now i will watch it as soon as i can

I can never get behind these threads because even old anime is pure kitsch aesthetics wise, and the writing is terrible and unsubtle. It's made by and for autistic people, that's why every show and film has no complexity and tells you exactly how to feel, why everything needs to be explained, every internal monologue, villain's reasoning, flashback flashback flashback, etc.

This issue only became worse with time where anime in the 2000s and 10s are pure retard slop, with terrible digital effects.


I think the only anime that are the exception to this rule is stuff like Angel's Egg, Belladonna of Sadness, and Cat Soup; art for arts sake released for the direct to video market. These are the anime that are more important than mainstream trash like Ghibli films and whatever bullshit was on Toonami in the 90s.

>>206067495
as much as i love berserk its pretty overrated and its only popular with normies because le hecking souls game are full of berserk references

>>206067770
you clearly havent watched enough old anime because you are clearly talking out of your ass

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>>206061574
Based kaori enjoyer.

>>206067834
>its only popular with normies because le hecking souls game are full of berserk references
the fuck are you talking about. It was popular before Souls was even a thing lmao

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>>206067770
Of course the redditspacing redditfag is spewing his retarded reddit opinions
>>206067834
Bait

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>>206067770
Good animanger's don't work like animated 3d kino's. There's a certain, substantial, charm to them. They can feel uniquley genuine, in a way few medium's can match, it can disproportionately elevate a baser work.
There's probably some psychology/philosophy discussion on the nipponese soul you can read about

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I can never get behind these threads because even old anime is pure kitsch aesthetics wise, and the writing is terrible and unsubtle. It's made by and for autistic people, that's why every show and film has no complexity and tells you exactly how to feel, why everything needs to be explained, every internal monologue, villain's reasoning, flashback flashback flashback, etc.

>>206062605
Of course anon here will ignore this movie.
They also ignore elusive samurai and dandadan when those anime clearly have 80's/90's aesthetic.

>>206067755
I actually feel like the mech aspects diminish it somewhat. There's so many episodes that go all in on the moody noir detective aspects only to have an out of nowhere giant robot battle at the end.
I think I would have been better if the robots were brought out every once in a while when the stakes are at their highest, but I guess it's silly to want for less mechs in a mecha anime.

>>206068376
i haven't seen the chainsaw man movie but
>those anime clearly have 80's/90's aesthetic
You don't belong in any artistic discussion

>>206062605
CSM is trash, fujimoto is a hack and no one cares about his shitty one shot adaptation.

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>>206068495
>no one cares about his shitty one shot adaptation.
This is why you'll get nothing but slop that looks like this for all eternity

>>206068376
>80's/90's aesthetic.
I wouldn't go that far but they look much better than the majority of recent anime, I hope the trend continues

>>206057114
Watch Pluto

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>>206068376
>those anime clearly have 80's/90's aesthetic.
People need to stop saying dumb shit like this. There's no such thing as a specific aesthetic for an era you retards. Dragon Ball Z came out in 1989. You know what else came out that year? Ranma. Jushin liger, and Akira. None of these things even look remotely similar to one another. You cannot boil down a decade of animation to a specific aesthetic because they are not represented by one style. That's like when retards think all 90's shows look like Slayers but then you quickly notice... Oh Slayers looks nothing like Cowboy Bebop... or Evangelion.. or Sailor Moon. or Detective Conan, or Nadia, or Trigun, or 98% of other anime from that time.

>>206068738
It's like when idiots think all 80's shows look like Fist of the North Star when there's like less than 5 things that actually look similar and one of them is JoJo.

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>>206068376
>those anime clearly have 80's/90's aesthetic.
>dandadan
You're trolling. It very obviously looks like modern slop.

>>206069026
>mc is le weak nerdy betamale who gets a hot female gf
I'm so tired of this shit.

>>206068738
>>206068814
The real problem is that those 80/90's anime's were natural developments, fresh (some more than others of course) ideas. Compare that to to a spiritually dry modern artist who sees that 80/90's anime were popular, and replicates it. Obviously it won't compare.

I wanted to add that "quest for excellency" webm, but it was over 4mb :( can someone else post it?

I'm reading this thread and cannot fucking believe this one nigger who thinks that just because more Brazilians watch anime than ever before that this somehow solidifies his godawful shonen shit as a merit of quality
That a bunch of fucking spics and Russians have access to the Internet and can pirate anime that it's like some amazing thing

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>>206069026
>slop
Sure thing, nigger.

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>>206069222
>he will defend this trash

>>206069275
it's bait, faggot

>>206057379
Hitler was trans

>>206069275
This looks good retard. The background is soulless but the shading on the characters and rough outlines makes them actually look hand drawn. Not perfect but a step in the right direction

>>206069222
Checkd and kino. I haven't seen Dandadan but I'll check it out when the seasons finished

>>206069588
>This looks good retard.
Bro is lying for no fucking reason.

>>206069275
the artist doesn't know how to draw hands apparently

>>206069767
>Bro is
You don't know what good anime looks like ironic weeb zoomer, go watch your mappaslop

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Megalo Box is the only example of a modern anime that specifically tried to look old school. None of the other anime mentioned is replicating something retro but rather are just the style of the original artist and how they like to draw.

>>206070056
>crying zoomer while defending zoomer shit
>zoomer shit he admitted to not even watching
Insecure retard.

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>>206070199
>"bro is lying"
>not a zoomer
This paints an unsettling image of a middle aged man with a broccoli perm. I just said the characters in the image looked good, some clips and the OP do too

>>206070432
So you have no argument or rebuttal for anything stated and instead are just defending yourself for having shit taste? It looks like trash and the original person who commented claiming it looks like an old aesthetic is objectively wrong which you are choosing to defend for some reason.

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>>206059826
Pretty flashing colours and gratuitous camera movement anon, it's the coolest thing ever. Just ignore the fact you can't tell what the fuck is going on.

>>206070691
can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

>>206070615
I gave an argument and you just said "bro is lying" retard. I didn't agree that it looks like a cell drawn anime either just that it's a step in the right direction

>>206070056
Weird that Mappa is your go-to studio to shit on when it's one of the lesser offensive studios in animation.

>>206069222
>le sad because the demon tells you a sad story so you believe them
This is what Frieren warns everyone

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>>206070734
I'm not being sarcastic, don't you think amorphous blobs of colour flying across the screen is cool? Don't you think giving people an epileptic fit is awesome? Look at how much stuff is happening on the screen! It means the fight is more intense! Forget the fact that it looks like a methed up LSD trip! It's so cool!

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>>206070778
LOL
Shut the fuck up retard

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>>206070752
It looks bad. The backgrounds are as bland as they come, the character designs are minimalist & uninspired, the shading or lack-thereof makes the characters look flat and lifeless, the color palette is dull and reminiscent of a lot of other shows that come out now. It's not impressive in the slightest or a step in the right direction.

>>206071123
>wow bad anime based on shitty manga is le bad so it must be the studio!
It could have been made by Madhouse, TMS, or Sunrise and it would still be a bad anime. Makes no difference who made it. Mappa is mid but there are tons of worse studios out there.

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>>206071249
>shitty CGI is only bad because of uhhh the 2D drawing it was adapted from isn't good enough
Kill yourself

>>206071128
>the shading or lack-thereof makes the characters look flat and lifeless, the color palette is dull
It looks better than drenching everything in shitty digital lighting which is why it's a step in the right direction
>reminiscent of a lot of other shows that come out now
Name any

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>>206071128
It's a good thing I only watch good anime instead

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>>206071668
>Name any
literally any of them. We're not short of anime nowadays with extremely boring washed out colors.

western/global markets happened. there's far less anime aimed at an older audience, isekais and battle shonen are the things that catch on when it comes to series, with the occasional romcom. for movies, it is almost exclusively comedies for existing franchises (conan, shin-chan), sports, or romances. there's still lots of random, obscure anime that come out that are interesting, but low budgets and shorter seasons means they are rarely amazing and, more often than not, get left unfinished.
shows from the last ~2 years that i like:
apothecary diaries
the witch and the beat
undead girl murder farce
kamonohashi ron
revenger
home hero
heavenly delusion
elusive samurai
the fable
dark gathering
dungeon meshi
migi and dali

few others i still need to check out, but looking forward to lazarus the most.

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>he watches nu-anime

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>>206071890
Here you go bro

>>206071668
Wait... are you claiming that the Chainsaw Man manga is good?

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>>206072277
No you dumb nigger I claimed that terrible CGI can't be blamed on the drawings it's adapted from, Fujimoto had another one of his manga adapted this year and it looks 1000x better than the Chainsaw Man anime, because MAPPA didn't make it. Donate your body to scientific research so someone can study your fucking brain please

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The isekai menace needs to be stopped. Return to traditional fantasy.

>>206073842
even old isekai would be okay. shit like escaflowne, inyuasha, or space jam. this current form that isekais take where they are all playing off of dragon quest/rpg tropes is just embarrassing.

>>206057172
>shonen shit got really popular in the West around 2006
Shonen was popular since the early 90's in the west, amerimutts only got to know it around 2006

>>206064187
YES this, both movies are awesome

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>>206065388
Fag

AH-MEH
MEGURA

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>>206073842
But anon, you made the isekai happen.

>>206057114
>what happened to anime that made them stop producing kinos and only slops?
Their anime reflects their country.
Their country is dying, so is their anime. It's simple.

>>206059707
no choreography whatsoever just two guys slashing at each other yelling like retards and a bunch of random explosions for some fucking reason

>>206068104
not amongst normies it wasnt, now you see a bunch of faggots with brand of sacrifice tattoos or guts profile pics

>>206072005
why is he walking like a retard?

>>206071998
That's just so sad. Glad I never watched the new ones, not Super or even the "Remastered" DBZ because they totally destroyed all the good moments, even changing iconic music.

Irresponsible Captain Tylor
Record of Loddoss War
Golden Boy
Vampire Hunter D
Perfect Blue

Recommend me something, please.

>>206077015
A nice dinner

>>206077015
angel cop, but watch in japanese with subtitles, the dub changes some stuff because its apparently anti Semitic and that make the villain's motivation make no sense in the english dub

>>206057699
Didn't it crash right after he died?

>>206077015
I mean you can just watch the shows Tylor was making fun of pretty easily.

>>206077114
neat, thanks!
>>206077161
I knew Tylor was taking the piss, but I don't know what from

>>206077015
genocidal organ, followed by harmony.
mind game.
redline.
demon city shinjuku.
wicked city.
ninja scroll.
patlabor, all of it. from the multiple shows to the movies.
bubblegum crisis.
turn A gundam.
monogatari.
witchblade.
cyber city oedo 808.
psycho pass.
every single shinichiro watanabe show.
paranoia agent.
monster.

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>>206057114
The internet.

>>206077114
I'll have to check this out, thanks. I'm all for anything antisemitic :)

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>>206077373
https://youtu.be/R-BK5LNRUOQ?si=y3QJANvHECBW6U1s
turn a gundam is pure kino
The last masterpiece before Gundam became full of crap after SEED.
It is a summary of Universal Century and Another Gundam, and is also a unique work that incorporates Western aesthetics.
It's a deconstruction mecha that's a hundred times better than the Evangelion.

> tranime
> ever good
lmao

>>206057657
these days anime exists to sell books. while anime itself can sometimes be a little profitable, the primary purpose is to sell manga and light novels. its not done for the love of the craft or to make something awesome.

>>206077627
Turn A is great. While it's not as good as Turn A and it's now 10 years old, Gundam Reconguista in G did a good job of making a Gundam show that felt new while capturing the classic animation style.

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>>206059541
the best movie I've seen this year

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>pajeet faggot got banned on /a/ so he flees to /tv/ to make the same "all modern anime is bad, look at these examples of shonenshit" garbage thread

>>206078352
It would be nice to see Reeves do something like this with Mr Freeze, make him an elderly man in a mech suit or give him a transforming hospital bed. Something other than the grieving husband role.

>>206078414
but all modern anime- with very few exceptions to the rule- is bad. /a/ is bad to because any discussion about anime older than like last season is frowned upon and everybody is just spamming my cosplay gf and how I got reincarnated as a garbage disposal type bullshit.

>>206059668
Is this an original and a remake? What's the deal, never watched hunter x hunter. Looks like the same scene but with the right being incredibly lazy.

>>206068645
>>206070691
That is absolute ass. What the fuck. I particularly hate how the perspective is all wrong on the characters, in the second one.

>tfw wypipo claim anime is finished
No one asked

>>206078782
>wypipo
>not a single indication of race in this thread
Mental illness.

>>206057114
2007 showing that you just need to adapt beyond shitty books instead of being original to print money + the death of celluloid

Why do you people make the same thread every single day? We've had this thread so many times already just fuck off

>>206078506
basically animators discovered that instead of impressive aniamtion they can just make a lot of blinking and watchers will cheer even harder.

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>>206064253
I'm glad the boomers are dying so i can watch my moe in peace

>>206057114
slop sells more for much less
complex narratives and really good productions cant be apreciated or sold to 99.9999999999999999999999999...% of the otaku population

>>206080283
what threads have you made?

So many of you don't realize that the anime you loved in the 80s and 90s were higher budget anime or high budget anime movies. There were plenty of awful low budget anime made back then too. You just don't hear about any of that old slop because everyone wants to forget they existed.

>>206084596
>the anime you loved in the 80s and 90s were higher budget anime or high budget anime movies
yeah no shit, but where is that stuff today? now we only have the slop.

>>206059209
you're a faggot and a liar

>>206085553
From 2000 to current day?

Drama:
The Studio Ghibili movies
The Wind also Rises
Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood
Samurai Champloo

Mecha:
Evangelion movies
The Gundam movies
Psycho Pass
Full Metal Panic
Tengan Topps Gurren Lagann

Action:
Berserk
Bleach
Naruto
Dragonball Super
One Piece
Hellsing

Comedy:
One Punch Man
Detroit Metal City
That's just off the top of my head
But There's a ton more if you look into it. .

>>206057114
>ITT: /a/fags seethe because /a/ jannies aren't around to ban for discussing pre 2024 moe
you can tell they're /a/ because they brainlessly argue over which decade had better japanese cartoons when it's obvious <2006 is good and >2006 is shit with a handful of rare exceptions

>>206087343
the mecha ones are good, champloo is good, db super is dogshit for mexicans, one punch man is good until the last few episodes of s1, s2 is not even worth mentioning, bleach and one piece are both borderline db super

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>>206066108
The episode where chief and whatshername can't come back from a conference due to flooded roads and have to spend a night at a love hotel is toppest of kinos.

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>>206066834
>but I have trouble getting past the animation style
That sucks, I had to wait until I had fast internet to watch Ashita no Joe but I grew up watching Tiger Mask on tv, of the same mangaka. So to me that style spells SOVL.

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>>206075458

>>206059900
No one watches anime for cgi.

>>206089018
motherfucker, that is a prime example of an isekai that plays off of dragon quest/rpg tropes.

>>206068738
there clearly were design trends in certain eras, helped along by the fact that the industry was smaller and there were more influential authors/artists. in terms of western animation, citing a 90s bruce timm styl DC show or some 2010s show with the "calarts" style as indicative of the medium would not be out of place.

>>206057114
As far as films go:
Spirited Away happened and made a trillion dollars.
It brought the entire industry kicking and screaming into perpetual shoujo hell - IE every film now has to be a """prestige""" anime, aimed at young girls, and usually involving themes of romance/coming of age, in a magical/fantasy/scifi setting.

TV anime has a different set of problems. Money/budgets are a big one.

>>206057657
>I always doubt this
Do you have eyes? Look at the quality of late 80s/early 90s OVA's compared to the CGI shitfests that get pumped out today, with their over-use of post processing lense flare plugins and 2 frames per second animation.

>>206058840
During all your soap box claims that anime is still great, you forgot to mention a single one.
Give us a list of anime made in the last, say, 5 years that's good.

>>206067495
The only thing Guts suffered worse than his life are the anime adapts.

>>206059269
>the past 15 years
NTA. I hate modern anime. But going back 15 years there were a couple of great ones released in that time:
Mushi-Shi: Next Passage
Ping Pong
Tatami Galaxy
Kids on the Slope (Watanabe's best)

inb4 some retard says "vinland saga" or some other shounen slop.

>>206068645
>troons actually said this anime was better than Edgerunners

>>206077114

> filtered by the dub

Pleb.

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>>206057114
Nothing. /tv/ posters are stuck in 2009 mentally and know nothing about anime.
>>206073842
I think they are. There are several recent and upcoming normal fantasy shows.

>>206092687
How come anime men don't have nipples and can show their chest, while anime girls do have nipples but we're almost never allowed to see them.

>>206061933
Kojimbo ripoff this too. What a disgusting hack.

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>>206062605
is it this scene? I don't understand her autistic movements...

>>206094104
maybe try golden boy

>>206057114
>>206057172
>>206058296
Sonny Boy came out 3 years ago and it's a masterpiece

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kek

This movie is shit. You have to be a complete midwit to think this shit is "deep" at all. I also just hate how it played the same annoying music every time the doppelgänger showed up.

>>206066522
Dezaki is the master.

>>206096845
nobody said it was deep retard, its kino but its not deep, only pseuds think anime can be deep

>>206092264
im not saying the dub is bad but to remove a crucial plot point is a sin simply because muh jew overlord will get offended at the fact that the villain is telling the truth

>>206096956
The movie felt cheap (like the repeated usage of looped music for the doppelgänger, as mentioned before)

>>206091418
to the troons credit xey did make a list.

>called Perfect Blue
>not perfect, just very good
Wtf if Kon were alive I'd sue him for false advertising.

>>206096760
>this was like 73 years ago
I wonder if he got better or worse over the past 193 years

>>206077315
LOGH and Space Battleship Yamato are the main ones. Don't know of any others.

>>206064781
>Naruto
Not dragonball turd.

>>206066061
Naruto actually has a cool magic system until they went the dragonall root and had people fire fire giant beams and adding aliens.

>Manga>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anime slop
Why would you watch an inferior product?

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the audiovisual medium peaked here

This movie is just a shittier version of Black Swan

What a dogshit thread.
>>206098278
Ah yes, Turn-A Gundam, the current FOTM among ""critical anime fans"".

>>206099813
>Ah yes, Turn-A Gundam, the current FOTM among ""critical anime fans"".
I don't keep up with the normoid internet fandom, when did this become a thing

>>206099860
Covid-19, G-Witch, D*scord, video essays.

>>206099927
This wont make bandai reprint the mg turn x so it has little to no repercussion on me

>>206099927
>FOTM
>flavour of the MONTH
>g-witch, covid
that was literally years ago, idiot. turn A enjoyers are eternal.
>>206100054
im sitting on a red logo one, still. are there even blue logo reissues of the turn x?