>>215876233
EXTREMELY overrated

>>215876233
it's overrated and overhated at the same time
curious case

>>215876233
Its a good show but some people take it seriously when it wasnt meant to be.

Overrated boomer cope.
> you know if the chips were down, I’d stand up for my bullied son
> You know if the chips were down, I might come home and actually fuck my wife
> You know if the chips were down I could accomplish big things and be dangerous
> You know I used to be something back in college could have been a millionaire

>>215876233
It was very much 'of it's time'. Probably like a 9 or 10 out of 10 if you caught it as it was coming out, probably like a 7 or 8 out of 10 if you're watching it for the first time now without spoilers. It's not amazing on a rewatch, so like 6 or 7 out of 10 if you're watching it again.

I agree with this anon
>>215876485

>>215876233
It's a goofy live action cartoon for adults. And filled with bad acting, especially by Cranston

>>215876233
Why did they started portraying Jesse as some innocent young man manipulated by Walt into joining drug business?

He was already a drug dealer before Walt confronts him.

>>215877540
jesse was a dumb loser but ignorant and confident, so he wasn’t really sadistic or cunning

walter was a machiavellian sociopath due to being a submissive doormat for so long + a sudden rush of power and fearlessness

what are you confused about? that someone who sells drugs could have a moral conscience? reminder jesse also came from a halfway normal family

>>215876233
I'm watching it for the first time now. It's a pulpy and entertaining show. I've almost finished Season 2.

No. It's not "The Sopranos", "The Wire",or "Mad Men". But it's still fucking great.

I would have loved this show when I was in high school, but I appreciate it on a deeper level as a 29-year-old. Why do zoomers hate it so much?

>>215877615
Read the post again, numbnuts. He's asking why the showrunners started portraying Jesse in a more sympathetic light after the breaking soi fanboys got a boner for him.

>>215877628
>Why do zoomers hate it so much?
It has an absolutely enormous fanbase of zoomers are you kidding

>>215877657
Fair enough. I thought zoomers preferred "Better Call Saul". I'll watch that next.

>>215877657
Actually Zoomers consider it problematic. It glorifies drug dealers.

Also the two main characters (Walt and Jesse) are white,which is also problematic.

>>215877643
>why the showrunners started portraying Jesse in a more sympathetic light
because he started to mature and feel remorse after the increasingly fucked up shit he was exposed to

he had a standard character arc over five seasons where he developed morally, I genuinely don’t see the problem with it

>>215877540
Originally Jesse was going to die in the first season, supposedly he was not going to be a major character, this may explain why they did a 180 on his personality and shifted his character to be this innocent lost character who just didn't have a proper direction

>>215877713
zoomers love drug dealers

>>215877713
Let's not pretend that the majority of zoomer "Breaking Bad" fans aren't spics.

>>215877713
>zoomers are le woke
nice try, zoomers brought back nazism after millennials fucked the world
they are showing you how to be racist

>>215876233
It's properly rated. It's a good show. /tv/ just hates it because normies like it.

>>215876503
kek I’m curious what is the gen z incel equivalent show of this boomer power fantasy

>>215877837
Yeah. I didn't watch the show while it was airing because it was too popular with norming, but I regret that now. I would have loved it. I'm really enjoying it now

>>215877540
They switched this up when they decided to make Walt into a 'he was le bad guy all along' rather than 'basically good but breaking bad'. So somewhere in the middle of season 3.

>>215876550
I think this is fair, I watched it for the first time recently, having avoided it when it was originally out. It was good, I enjoyed it, a few scenes stuck with me, but a lot of it was quite boring and treading water. But I'd recommend it.

>>215876233
properly rated until season 4

>>215876233
Zoomers literally can't understand the hype that this show reached because now they live in a bloated post-prestige television hellscape where every streaming service has it's own serious drama and there are a thousand options but back then, it really was THIS, the Wire and Sopranos. And only BB was on basic cable.

It was the biggest show on the planet.

>>215878187
"breaking" the bad, as Vince explains it really is just that these are terrible people all along but they lay dormant until the situations arise there they can fully become the horrible people they always were.

Walt is always a piece of shit, the minute he gets a modicum of power he's a murderous, manipulative psycho.

>>215879064
Did he say that in interviews from around the season one or two era?

The premise was originally 'Mr Chips becomes Scarface'. They wrote it like that for the first two seasons. He was under incredible stress, after a life of getting bad breaks, and each thing he did makes sense in that context. It's kind of absurd to make the standard be that he should have been perfect or it proves he was bad.

It's after season three that they write it like he was bad all along. The whiplash is lessened because for most of season 3 and 4 he's up against Gus, who is worse than Walt in almost every way.

>>215879229
>Gus
>worse
lol nah, Gus was genuinely disgusted with the accusation that he would poison or kill a child. Walt would poison literal children to manipulate Jessie.

>>215879229
To answer your other question, yes he's said that in interviews. "Mister chips becomes Scarface" is the lunch pitch, that was what he said to AMC. The plan all along was always to deep dive into why and how Walt was doomed to be a piece of shit. Even as early as S2 and S3 with the Gray Matter stuff, Walt is purposefully misremembering what happened to make himself a victim.

He's always been THIS

>>215879273
Gus was 100% ok with it and just as manipulative as Walter what fucking show did you watch? Did you miss the part where he ordered the murder of a child (noooooo Gus said he would never do that to Walt and I heckin believe him) or when he faked a robbery on Mike to make Jesse trust him more?? Those are just a couple of examples of the top of my head

>>215876233
It's a decent show but nothing really of what it's made up to be. Way too fantastical and unrealistic to be that interesting
>>215879064
>Walt is always a piece of shit, the minute he gets a modicum of power he's a murderous, manipulative psycho.
I guess the story tries to frame him that way but did Walt really do anything wrong? He leaves Jesse's girlfriend to die after him and her junkie ass tried to blackmail him, he saves Jesse's stupid ass from Gus' spic killers which leaves him to defend himself, he poisons that little spic after Jesse refused to help him deal with Gus (after Walt got into that mess because of Jesse in the first place) and he kills some rats in prison.

The problem with the show is that it tries to frame Walt as the bad guy but Vince always gives him extreme justifications for the things he does. The show wants its cake and to eat it too. That's not good storytelling.

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>>215879384
He's always been a piece of shit since day one. i.e. when he and Jesse were discussing about how to dispose Krazy-8 and Emilio's bodies, he put the blame on Jesse whilst it was his idea in the first place to cook meth ("either that or I turn you in, S01E01).

also
>always blaming others, especially Jesse who doesn't know any better ("let's go talk to Tuco" lol and that got Jesse beat up and both of them close to death because Walt knows jack shit about the drug world)
>being a pathetic cringe loser

I can go on and ọn

>>215876233
Overrated if placed above sopranos, correctly rated if placed below.

>>215879273
Gus is the kind of person who can lie about that without a second thought. If he had to kill some kids to get revenge on the cartel, he'd do it. If killing some kids made that harder, he wouldn't do it. At that time all he wanted was to make Jesse think Gus was better than Walt, and Jesse really does have these moral lines he won't cross.

>>215879384
I'm just saying, when I watch season 1 and 2 it felt like they were writing Walt as being basically good (or average, or at least not a piece of shit) but going bad. It's maybe a bit difficult for some people to see this because in season 1 and 2 we actually do see him being a bad person most of the time, it's just that the story works best if it's someone who was good doing all these bad things. Then by season 3 they shift the underlying idea and he's written like someone who never had a chance to be bad but then got his chance.

>>215880081
I think it just feels off because they changed the underlying idea halfway through. The idea of a good guy breaking bad was vogue for 2008, but it went out of style as the show progressed. By 2012-ish the media environment had already gone against the idea that someone like Walter White could have good reasons for breaking bad, they had to show that he was bad all along.

>>215880081
>Vince always gives him extreme justifications for the things he does.
What? No he doesn't? You aren't watching close. That's not "justification".

>>215879927
Gus never ordered the murder of a child...

>>215880203
Jesse brought krazy8 and rats on Walt when he just wanted to cook in the background

Season 1 was the best season. I find this actually to be true for most shows.

>>215880277
It is. Walt is always shown to be in the right. The biggest crime he committed is poisoning the little spic kid after he was basically forced to do so by Jesse leaving him and his entire family at the mercy of Gus (for Walt basically destroying his relationship with Gus for Jesse himself). Now if he killed the little spic you might have some merit to your argument, but no - he gave him a simple food poisoning and a slight fever. Yet the show acted like he did something totally reprehensible and that Jesse is morally correct in turning against him.

>>215880814
>Walt is always shown to be in the right.
lol no he isn't, retard. Are you underage? He's just the protagonist, not that he's "justified".

>>215880814
>biggest crime
Anon, he murders at least over two dozen people directly or indirectly...

He's a serial murderer.

>>215876233
>Picard >Geordie
>Data >Riker

>>215880814
>t. someone who watched the show through YouTube clips

>>215876233
It has a lot of flaws. The prequels and sequels made me more aware of it.

>>215881429
Name me one example in which he isn't in the right, stupid porch monkey.

>>215876233
Good and overrated

>>215882163
Cooking meth you fucking poltard.

>>215882163
Are...are you doing a bit or something? I'm truly asking.

>>215882196
Again justified by him getting ass cancer

>>215882217
You have to be ESL and not know what "justified" means I nthe context of a narrative you are watching in front of you, the show literally spells out how his desperate meth cooking wasn't justified, the show offers him multiple fucking "outs" but his pride gets in the way of it. Remember when Gretchen would have just paid for all of his medical bills?

People who aren't megalomaniacs and are honest about saving money for their surviving family would take the charity

>>215880203
So it's too realistic for you? People rarely admit when they're wrong and something is their fault. They almost always place the blame on others.

>>215877628
Season 3 is when it starts to get really good.
>>215882163
Did you somehow miss the part about how he lost everything? Threw away would be a little more accurate.

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>Rewatching it after BCS after not having seen it since it aired.
>Never really noticed how hot Marie is.
>She walks out in this.
>Just reached the handjob scene with Hank.
Dear lord Hank is insanely lucky to have her as his wife. She's constantly up to bat for basically everyone, is feisty, acknowledges her flaws (After she's been pushed to it, except for the minerals but she could work on that), and is basically a 10/10 supportive wife. Even when she appears in BCS she's calling Jimmy out and spitting on Walt's grave.

>>215882477
>zoomer likes the fish mouthed fifth best girl in BB/BCS
It's Andrea, Carmen, Lydia and Kim in that order. Marie isn't even on the list.

>>215876233
Mostly properly rated

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>>215880814
>Walt is always shown to be in the right.
Not even in the slightest.
>To even begin with, he cooks meth.
Even Jesse outright states that they're making poison for people who don't care, and if he knows that it's wrong in what world are you pretending him doing that is right?
>Even though Jesse brings a lot of the issues upon him and Walt to a ridiculous degree a lot of Walt's actions are also presented as forcing himself upon a Jesse who wanted out multiple times.
>Didn't care about Combo's death even though he directly worked for Walt.
>Didn't care one bit about Tomas' death after seeing how much it hurt Jesse.
>Pretty much pushes the kid Todd shoots in front of him out of his mind almost immediately.
>Skyler throughout all of seasons 1 through 3 is an emotional wreck because of what he was doing, his refusal to tell anyone anything, his constant gaslighting, and learning he was a meth producer.
>His actions directly rope Skyler into everything and if she does anything about it it ruins Hank and Marie's lives, hers, her children's and Walt's.
>The entire Jane death and subsequent actions are shown to be monstrous, he inadvertently led to the plane crashes, Fly shows us how badly her dad's suicide affected him to the point he still thinks about it months later, and even when Walt has his vacuum cleaning trip to Alaska and has that talk with Saul in BCS he's still traumatized by how awful of an action it was paired with all the crap he did to Jesse as a whole.
>Is fine with letting Jesse get tortured for months even if at the end of the day he rescues him.
>His drunk forcing of tequila on Walt. Jr. is presented as a childish and drunken act that even he realizes was a bad thing and has to call everyone to apologize.
>He is directly shown to be the reason why Hank got shot by the twins and it's done and dusted after that one discussion about money with Gus.
>His actions regarding Hank directly lead to his death.

>>215876233
It's a good show if you're a first time viewer but it has no rewatch value.

>>215876233
Properly rated

>>215876233
spiritual successor to Sons of Anarchy. Everyone thought it was amazing while it aired, and shortly after that people realized how embarassing it was and started memeing on it.

>>215876233
overrated. Can be proven by their fan defending an episode about a fly

>>215876233
Overrated but only because of how much overwhelming praise it receives, it's still a great show

Properly rated for seasons 1, 2 and 3, though 3 was the beginning of the end. 4: engaging to watch but worse in quality. 5: the obligatory ''le crime doesn't pay''-arc.

This is why I like Gomorra the series more. Everyone dies because of a deus ex mechina, but if you cut off the very last part, then basically they all made it and live happily ever after, even though they're all pieces of shit.

>>215883751
>obligatory ''le crime doesn't pay''-arc.
As it should be