Suddenly looking like an epic fucking masterpiece, isn't it?
>>220692120Yes.
>>220692120I always liked it, I never cared what the plebs and trannies said.
Depends on if you're watching the theatrical cut, director's cut, Alexander Revisited: The Final Unrated Cut, or Alexander – The Ultimate Cut
>>220692120Fuck no. What's wrong with you?
no it still sucksthe choppy slow mo thing Stone used in Any Given Sunday absolutely did not work the in battles in this flick
>>220692120always* was*ultimate cut
>>220692707I thought the theatrical cut was good. I bought the director's cut and thought it was shit, have't seen the others.
>>220692120It was fine and most criticism was based on Americans not being to handle a gay Alexander.>muh historical accuracyThe movie did better overseas too.It wasn't great but it was fine. The main problem was focusing too much on whiny Alexander over inspiring and "great" Alexander. Like Ridley Scott's Napoleon if failed to capture what made the person famous and beloved in the first place.
It was a failure. But what failure! Oliver Stones' failure towers above the accomplishments of others.
>>220692120I always like the movie, never understood the hate towards it.
>>220692120always was
>>220692120Was he the toughest gay in history?
>>220694437What the fuck is that exposure
it was seen as a boring failure, but today it would be a huge success. There's something really really wrong with the quality of modern showbusiness. I think it's women's fault
>>220694436I understand the hate, but it had fantastic aspects>music>intro speech by Hopkins>Alexander's youth>Val Kilmer's performance and characterIt's one of the few movies that communicates a person's legend vs his behaviors at the time, in the moment, and then where one is looking back to past events (Hopkin's character), the guy realises>Huh... so this is what it takes to be a world conqueror. I guess we were actually fucking awesome
Why was a Mexican woman in ancient Greece?
>>220695273I mean, it deserved all the criticism it got then, but it's better than recent successes like Dune.
most kino ancient Greece battle in the history of cinema, and you CANNOT deny ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRSaSwbiMhE
>only 2 battleaFatal flaw
>>220695236One of the hardest bisexuals in history yes. It’s widely believed that he also clapped some man ass now and again. It’s not really important. Alexander was a tough and insane little dwarf, who liked to drink and kill.
>>220692707>the ultimate foreskin cut
>>220692120The average popcorn slop from 20 years ago looks like a masterpiece now. The standard in film hasn't just dropped, it's completely plummeted right across the board. The medium is in a dire state.
>>220692120No.
fapped to rosario dawson in this
>>220692120>Stone's paternal great-grandparents were Ashkenazi Jewish immigrants from Poland.Oh my heckin science wtf is brotherhood? Wy would a man ever die for another man if there was no profit to be made? The only other reason si they were fucking and sucking each other.
>>220692120It's honestly pretty fucking good except for Rosario Dawson... But her boobs are ok. Kilmer as Philip is so fucking kino and bucephalus' actor is incredible.>>220695272All the colours wash out except for red, in the end of the scene.
>>220692120Always thought it got too much shit. I think people were too critical of the gay stuff.It's not like we have a better Alexander biopic.
>>220695786Yeah. We really didn’t appreciate how good we had it. I watched Troy a few weeks ago, which at the time was considered at the time a mid swords and sandals flick, and it blows almost anything done in the past 10-15 years completely out of the water. It’s shocking to see how far Western cinema has fallen in prioritising demagoguery over entertainment and storytelling.
>>220695342this face has somehow seen an iPhone in 2003
>>220692707I prefer the uncut version myself.
>>220692120Come then! Where are your legit criticisms?!
I've recently found out i have the only DVD cut without the faggotry in it, but i had no idea back then when i buyeted it. Pure luck!
>>220696885BUT YOU DREAM ANONIMOS
>>220692120but, it is a masterpiece
>>220692707>>220692631>>220692553>>220692120Thos movie was always budget TROY
>>220695273Yeah women have ruined most things for the past 10-15 years
>>220695873You let them gayify your entire history because you didn't speak up. Now live the consequences.
>>220697231JANNIES, BAN THIS ANON!
>>220692120One a serious note though its very up and down. Kilmer was kino, but Jolie was cringe. The battles were more kinetic than any i've seen in other films, but some of the dramatic scenes were overwrought. Still some of the drama scenes were well done. I have a special affection for it since I watched it a ton as a teenager. The best scenes: >Alexander gets Bucephalus>Alexander and Phillip in the cave>Alexander Hindu Kush
>>220694437Wasn't this battle actually fought next to a river?
>>220697313>>Alexander breaks BUCKephalus
>>220692120>a fucking paddy as alexander the greatoliver stone is a terrible director and a cia asset
I liked it, had no idea a people disliked it even
>>220695786I watched Fast & Furious 1 the other day and you don't see camerawork like that anywhere in modern films. And that was almost destined to be straight to DVD release.
>>220692120Always was.The only mistake was not making a trilogy. An entire life as eventful as his, even cut short, is too much for a single movie, especially when so many people have similar names. Alternatively a series, could have gone on for so many seasons.
>>220696885>>220697111https://youtu.be/RlKJDwViNKs?si=GT6TIV5MGo4bIv4YI remember listening to this as my pre-workout back in the day.
>>220692120I am now older than Alexander ever was.I've experienced conveniences and luxuries he could have never imagined. And my life is meaningless."Better a live dog than a dead lion", I suppose. But I don't know how to make the most of this.
>>220697636for me, it's:https://youtu.be/jOF9v-W6kdc?si=ERxdDL-FPfZg1e9F>Μὴ μὰν ἀσπουδεί γε καὶ ἀκλειῶς ἀπολοίμην, μέγα ῥέξας τι καὶ ἐσσομένοισι πυθέσθαι.>Me man aspoudi ge kai akleios apoloimen, mega rhexas ti kai essomenoisi puthesthai.>Let me not then die ingloriously and without a struggle, but let me first do some great thing that shall be told among men hereafter.
i didn't like all the gay sex
>>220697699It has now entered my workout playlist.
>>220697733
>>220695342Ancient Afghanistan
>people saying it was good out of the suddenHave you lost your mind? This movie was a big joke when it came out. It's corny as shit, with some of the worst 2000s trends thrown in, the dialogue is piss poor and absolutely forgetable, it had awful pacing and a very awkward casting. I say awkward because the actors themselves are good in other roles, but they feel so fucking out of place in this. It had nice set pieces and costumes, that's as far as I can compliment it.Troy also sucks for similar reasons. Don't let Nolan's Odyssey do to these films what Disney SW did to the prequels. They all suck, face it.
>>220697426he looks like a greek tho
>>220698334shut up, Meg
>>220698334I never say this but....filtered
>>220698334>forgetableAAAANOOON, BE REEAAASONABLE!
>>220698688BEE reasonable
>>220695342There to show off her epic tits
>>220696885>>220697111This scene is so Kino and makes the whole movieIts corny and overacted like the entire movie but its so earnest the entire time that i cant stop thinking about itIts so sincere and sucky you into the moment Theres no joke or punchline coming he just says this completly over the top dialoge and pulls it actually ofMaybe its because every movie these days is a self aware irony fest but i really like how sincere the whole movie felt
I've rewatched a lot of terrible movies from the 90s and early 00s and they're almost all masterpieces compared to the garbage they've been pumping out for the past 10 years
It's complete dogshit filmed like a History channel documentary
>>220698907Agreed. That's why I like Malicks films
>>220695522>Alexander was a tough and insane little dwarf, who liked to drink and kill.Double dubs and he's literally me.
>>220697636Damn was gonna post this link. Good man. Up there with the Henry V Agincourt speech.
>>220697111>because you've fallen in love with all the things in life that destroy men!
>>220697426At least they casted the most mediterranean looking irish guy out there
>>220700606>because you've fallen in love with all the things in life that destroy men!KINO
No He-Man?
No 300?
No Gladiator?
No Troy?
>>220695342Most Mexicans have Iberian ancestry.
No Hercules?
>>220700701Wasn't most of the criticism that he didn't bother to hide his accent?
No Conan the Barbarian?
No Clash of the Titans?
No Dragon Blade?
it's a pretty good movie, there's obviously some historical inaccuracies but it's vastly better than any other movie ever made for this particular character. it also has, in my opinion, the hottest woman ever displayed on cinema (her tits are overwhelmingly superior to anything i've ever seen)
>>220695946We pretty much have zero historical epics anymore. Or epics in general unless the three hour marvel crap somehow counts as one.I do believe that Nolan could've done one if his autism and award chasing had been kept in check but alas that ship sailed.
>>220695824>>220701705Naked Rosario Dawson sex scene:https://www.tnaflix.com/nl/big-boobs/Rosario-Dawson-Alexander-video-2/video1648747
>>220701856>We pretty much have zero historical epics anymoreOne of the dumbest things I have ever read
>>220701933Name them big guy.
>>220701042>Be a warrior and kill desire, the powerful enemy of the soul. - Bhagavad-Gita 3.43
>>220701243 Gladiator is the default answer, anon. It’s so obvious people forget to even mention it. Maximus walking through the wheat fields > half the CGI slop people are listing. “I will have my vengeance…” still clears 90% of modern capeshit monologues. Also Hans Zimmer + Ridley Scott actually gave a shit back then. Kingdom of Heaven (director’s cut ONLY) deserves to be in the convo too. We used to be a proper civilization.
>>220701088>>220701432Slop>>220701140>>220701637Decent
>>220701243>>220701352>>220701488>>220701554kino>>220702863It clearly got worse over time.
>>220692120compared to modern day slop its decent but i still dont like this movieonly good things about the movie:>Rosario Dawson tits>Vangelis soundtrack (and it one of his weakest)
>>220692120Yesterday's joke is today's hero. Unfortunately.
>>220692120>There's no lip filler in ancient greece!
>>220692120The return, which was out last year, was actually decent. its based on the last part of the Odyssey.
>>220703182>it one of his weakestI'm only familiar with this, the Olympics, Blade Runner, and 1492. how's his other work?
>>220697231No one, not my vilest enemy, has spoken like you to me
>>220703390from memory:>chariots of fire>antarctica>the bounty>something something nuremberg>cousteauand soundtracks for space missions:>mythodea>rosetta
>>220694437SAAAAAAAAR DO NOT INVADE BLOODY ROGUE
>>220692120I don't like the actor or his portrayal of alex, tbdesu.
>>220703868
>>220703482thanks anon, I've got tonight lined up
>>220703182>one of his weakestit's so good though. >the charge>the drums at gaugamela>young alexander>titans
>>220697636>>220704084for me, it's the track that plays when young Alexander is training with his comrades:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB_0cTpAZYU
>>220698334I liked Troy. Had some excellent scenes and moments
>>220704084relatively to his other workand im not saying its badits like queen worst album has under pressure
>>220704484>I liked Troy. Had some excellent scenes and momentsupdoots, good sir
>>220692120No.>>220692553kys
some of the costumes and props look great but the casting and bri’ish dialogue is horrendous.
>>220704985>bri’ish dialogue>>muttmerican educationThe Macedonians are Irish.
i miss white people
>>220692120i've never watched this movieam i in for kino?good old fucking movie from the 2000s?
Great soundtrack by Vangelis.
>>220705290what are you doing to help the situation?
>>220695522he was a dumb faggot who destroyed the greeks
>>220704484the dialogue is objectively horrendous. the sack of wine line sounds like a tv edit
>>220706611
>>220706773he moved all the quality manpower of greece into brownoid colonies leading to roman conquest
>>220706976
>>220706976?The Roman conquest happened more than 150 years after Alexander's death. You also seem to think that his army was mostly Greek instead of Macedonian.Stay in school, kiddo.
>>220692120>I'll suck your cock! I'll eat your shit! Please just perceive us greeks as White!Why are they like this swear to God it's always the indians and the greeks trying so hard to be accepted as White by any and all means possible. Always those two.
>>220707379>boilerplate D&Cyawn.
>>220707342there were lots of greeks in his army and the colonialism lead to large amounts of greek migration
>>220703379Kino
>>220692120It is still shit.Just because something new has established a new standard for shittiness doesn't make it any less shit.
>>220707476The timeline is too spread out for it being a direct causation. The real cause is that the Hellenics were always infighting retards and it was only a matter of time before someone else successfully swooped in.Not that it was so catastrophic for them, the Romans may have won militarily and politically but the Greek culture conquered Rome in return.
>>220701456The accent is fineIt's not like we know what ancient greeks/romans sounded when they spoke modern english language
>>220692120Please rank 'emStone's top 5 (or 10 if so inclined)
>>220708101you don't have a coherent worldview
>>220708366Yeah unlike you I'm sure. I bet you believe everything you hear on /pol/ as long as it has the right buzzwords in it.
>>220708366feel free to refute his argument. I agree and I think you're being pedantic.
The Final Unrated Cut (2007) or The Ultimate Cut (2014)?
>>220697372The battle of Hydaspes River, you say? Ha, no, technically, no... Alexander's infantry forces crossed the river and engaged the Pajeets while he led his cavalry downstream to another crossing and outflanked them.
>>220708451theres nothing to refute, all he said was he disagrees, he didnt understand my point from the start anyway. who cares
>>220708475The Director's Redux Underrated Cut Extended
>>220708512>who caresah yes, the anthem of those who've been BTFO
>>220701456Yes, which is absolutely braindead. Nobody bats an eye when actors with english accents play ancient greeks and romans, or even worse, when a non-british actor puts on a fake english accent to play an ancient greek or roman. But let a native irishman use his real voice and suddenly this is unrealistic? I could see this argument being valid if other historical dramas made an effort to simulate the actual accents of ancient greeks. But they fucking don't, and never have.
>tfw no kinos set in eastern roman empire
>>220692120It always was
>>220708105It works perfectly because the macedonians are supposed to be the hicks of Greece. So them having a distinctive accent from normal bongoism the rest sells that idea pretty good
>>220709403I'm American and I say the blame is fully on US: low demand and confusion about what the eastern empire was. very few are taught this in high school. and those normalfags who go to college will either forget "useless information", or never take a solid Western Civ-type history class to learn about it.
>>220708900Non-negotiable
For me it’s the Shieldbearershttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BPRsBSDe7bI&list=RDBPRsBSDe7bI&start_radio=1&pp=ygUVQWxleGFuZGVyIHRoZSBzaGllbGRzoAcB&ra=m
>>220701887Meh
>>220692120I was watching this in class when the mosque shooting happened
>>220695342>"Here's that Mexican I was telling you about."
>>220697457Even just the lighting in Fast & Furious 1 mogs modern movies that are also shot on film.
>>220692120did Oliver Stone actually showed the world how to make an historical movie with an anti western imperialism propaganda without ditching the historical accuracy? why Ridley Scott didn't take notes when he directed Kingdom of Heaven?
>>220698334you are correct. anons ITT can't get over their adolescent impression of it.
>>220698334>and absolutely forgetableyou're insane and this invalidates all the horseshit you said.
>>220701420>Iberiastill not Greece
>>220705290>i miss white people>"Here's that white guy I was telling you about."
>>220701887>tnaflixHaven't bothered with that since they started asking for my blood type
>>220712360celtic as fuck
>>220697426https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/image/mFaZARZ3-Zdm0HeEMliTEA/mental illness
>>220697637Buddy, Julius Caesar had the same realization. Its never too late. I know this by experience too.
>>220697426>oliver stone is a terrible directorthis
>>220698334The problem here is that all of your criticisms might be true, haven't seen it in years. But it might still be better than the Nolan flick.
>>220703482>>the bountygood kino
>>220692120Yeah it was pretty mediocre and gay at the time outside a few battle scenes, but it grows on you considering it ended up being one of the last big epic movies. Our movies were so good back in the 00s that this was consider shit.
>>220712360obviously 100% white.
>>220713079
>>220692120Never saw it. Never will. Goyslop detector highly attuned, never acclimated to Mid.
>>220712360Whiter than you will ever be.
>>220714092>movies women will never understand
>>220711098Based
>>220712360>what is tan
>>220706976>>220708366By the way this is laughable to anyone that understands Hellenistic age history.
>>220695824Same
>>220709403>mfw no prostitute empress
>>220698688One of the funniest parts, I don’t think they expected him to say the line like that, Collin Farrell breaks character for a second and they look at each other confused
>>220698334whoever was watching this and thinking it was bad was a FUCKING RETARD there I said it
>>220692120Needed more floppy penises and unstimulated gay sex
One of the most kino pictures from movies
>>220694436the hate was because the story wasn't cohesive even though it's the actual story (leaving out some conquests along the way but still)
>>220698905she bounces around for like 30 seconds, what a scene
>>220692120This flick and Troy were always shit.
>>220717039kek, Byzantine memes
When a Persian satrap says something so oligarchical you gotta hit them with the Argead stare
>>220719913>Persian keeping his beard that well-groomed on campaignmen of the east and their slavish devotion to the senses...
>>220692120I've seen both, the regular version and the directos cut.It doesn't look like a masterpiece in any way or form.
>>220692120The bar for success has been set so low by Netflix that "not terrible 20 years ago" = modern fucking masterpiece.
PS, Aristotle was right about the shirtlifters. >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t4Z6vtJrmw
>>220698334it's all faggotsthe love cock so muchhave em have it poor fucks
>>220692120i absolutely love this movie and always have.while the narrative itself takes liberties by moving things around, combining events for efficiency and to weave a cohesive story fit for a movie - the direction is incredibly accurate (for a movie). Modern morales aren't projected unto historical figures and the production design is staggeringly beautiful and well researched.the battle of gaugamela is probably the best battle in a movie ever
>>220714014nta but yeahRodney Dangerfield did not hit it big until his 40s. Steven Seagal didn't become a full meme until his late 30s early 40s.
>>220720238Read a few books about Alexander this past year so I've been curious to watch thisWhat is the go to cut these days?
>>220720369the longest version aka alexander final cut
>>220720188>Alexander's face when he's indirectly called out by Cassander for homosexualitylol, BTFO by logic and reason
>>220692120
the Shit Timeline:>make Objective Shit>make Even Worse Shit>make Vomit Diarrhea>make Ebola-ridden Parasite Infested Vomit Farts>"uh... we owe a apology to Objective Shit" (<---------You are here, with Alexander)getting real tired of this chain of logic
>>220720671https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRSaSwbiMhE>people will seriously call this bad and expect you to believe them
>>220720671>stealing another anon's posts from a different threadextremely fgt behavior
>>220721066Havent seen the movie but from these pictures here, the costuming looks like the most accurate of all historical movies
>>220721227iirc Oliver's script on set was like a huge notebook that included historical records with excerpts of what people like Alexander were saying and doing at the time. It looked extremely autismal in the best possible way.
greek mercenaries in Darius' army generally find some new detail each rewatch
Was Alexander a homo?
Which one should i rent:>Alexander (The Ultimate Cut)or>Alexander (Theatrical Cut) (2004)
>>220698933The good thing about every modern movie being vomit inducing garbage is that we learn to appreciate what we had back then.
>>220722035Not theatrical. Do 1st Director's Cut.
>>220721066I actually don't like this cut of his speech but I've always loved when he yells "ZEUS BE WITH US" and starts riding and the music kicks in. Also - Alexander was a tactical genius.
