be honest /tv/, did you figure out deckard is a replicant on your first viewing?
>>221034343No, because he's clearly not one. I don't care how much Ridley Scott insists upon it.
yeah the whole idea is retardedDeckard being a replicant is an idea that has one source, Ridley Scott, who has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be a fart-huffing pseudNOTHING in the film suggests otherwise
>>221034343Dickard being a cold whiny human who rediscovers his humanity from a fucking robot is the whole beauty of the ending
>>221034343I think you have to be very ignorant to finish the movie thinking Deckard was anything other than a human
>>221034373>>221034427he made the film
>>221034343I knew the theory before I watched
>>221034469He made 2 good films in 50 years. He got lucky and doesn't understand his own film.
>>221034343I'll let you know after I've watched it
>>221034373>>221034427>>221034434>>221034437Hope still remains for this board.Ridley is a hack.
>>221034469Irrelevant.
>>221034343Does it matter?
>>221034469He doesn't get to override Philip K Dick
>>221034343Hehe, dickhard!
https://youtu.be/L1YN9QMKpBo>“More than you”.
>>221034469that doesn't mean he is magically incapable of saying retarded incorrect things about the film, shit for brainsgo enjoy the star wars special editions while hanging yourself
>>221034343theres a few hints he is one, pic related
>anons think they know better than the directormany such cases
>George Lucas gets hell for making pointless changes to the Star Wars original trilogy>Ridley Scott barely gets any criticism for making like five different cuts of Blade Runner making pointless changesWhy is this?
>>221034633>Anon has never heard of death of the authorYikes
>>221034469Then why didn't he make Deckard a replicant when he made it the first time?
>>221034343Hes not a replicant gay fag. That undermines his character. Hes a joe everyman.>>221034373Fuck Ridley.
>>221034651ridley does get shit for it but blade runner is not a popular movie so no one cares by comparison.
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>>221034651Ridley's a hack and George Lucas is a genius so he's under more scrutiny.
>>221034469And? Watchowski troons now say that matrix was about trannyism. Do I really have to force myself into believing that bullshit they came up with to make them feel good about their life choices?
Soooooo>the Tyrell corporation designed a replicant to hunt other replicants but made them incredibly weak and they need sleep and food to continue
He is a replicant. No amount of salty bitch tears changes this.
>>221034469The he directed it poorly if his idea isn't conveyed IN the film.If you need external lore and reshoot corrections, then that shows the initial film was objectively different.
>>221034688he did. the relevant scenes were then deleted by studio jews because they didn't understand them. this is explained by the film's editor in the making of documentary.
>>221034715Amen anon. That’s exactly right. It’s just smug retards who somehow made something good, going back with shit stained hands trying to do a bit of revisionist editing like a triggered Wikipedia admin. Ridley is a hack, Deckard is a human.
>>221034373
>>221034581Not in the original cut.
>>221034734A replicant that doesn’t function like a replicant. I kneel …. Or something.
>>221034764there were no "reshoot corrections." the original cut had the unicorn dream etc, then the studio jews deleted it for the theatrical release, then it was restored for the director's cut.
>>221034427It's also completely irrelevant to everything else in the film. Deckard is the avatar that we enter the story and world through but he's not really the main focus. His question of identity is hardly prioritized at all in the movie compared to the actual replicants.
>>221034343Nope
>>221034844Based studio jews then. Ridley is a fucking moron.
>>221034771Things that nobody saw don't count.Otherwise my movie (that I didn't make) would be the best movie of all times.
>>221034469Yeah, but was he there
>>221034794it is
>>221034469>he made the filmExcuse me mate, were you there? No? Then how do you know?
>>221034844That's not true. The shot of the unicorn in the "final cut" was unused footage from Legend. Ridley never shot it during Blade Runner's production.
>>221034858It also completely defeats the point of the story, that hammers you on the head about how androids would be incapable of even understanding why they should put a turle stuck on its shell back on its feet, until Batty saves Deckard's life for no reason other than empathy.But no lmao he did it cause Deckard is a replicant too y'see, so the turtle analogy had no point.
>>221034809you mean like rachel, the other replicant in the film that doesn't function like a replicant because she belongs to a new type that don't know they're replicants?
>>221034343Yes when he showcases super strength climbing during the confrontation with Roy.
>>221034844>director's cutFanfiction, you mean? With corrections and shit?You have no claim and no standing of originality after a theatrical release.
>>221034876but i can see them just fine? you simply have to watch the real version of the film, not the jew cut.
>>221034343Isn't a human realizing that something that inhuman can be so human-like sort of the point of the movie? If it's just a robot liking another robot, well that's not so special, is it?Ridley Scott also directed that dogshit "Gladiator II" so he definitely lost his credibility somewhere along the line.
>>221034906false. watch the documentary. you can literally see "blade runner" on the clapper when they're shooting the unicorn dream, and the editor confirms it was always intended for blade runner. "it's footage from legend" is a gay myth from reddit.
>>221034916This. It's shocking how brainlets don't realize it.
>>221034927no, the original cut by the actual director is by definition not fanfiction. the jew edit is fanfiction.
>>221034343It's about what makes a human a human.What happens when you can manufacture that?The photos, for example. Deckard had his own photos, Rachel has fake photos, and that one replicant has his own photos he took.Modern day AI throws an interesting twist into the conversation. In Bladerunner, Rachel's memories were created by a human, but these days you might expect such things to be done by an AI.People every day listen to Aai music on Spotify. What does that say about the human experience of music?
>>221034427I know it's a cut scene, but how do you square the unicorn?
>>221035050Were you in the room when the cuts were made? If not how do you know that the intended version never made it to release?
>>221035050>by definitionYes, but who cares. It's shit. That's the point. Calling it fanfiction is done as an insult, not because anyone is trying to be accurate
>>221034947The thetrical release is the real version.It's the one that stands the ticket sold toll.If a movie bombs, you don't get to reshoot and go "wait wait! This is the REAL one!!!"If the theatrical movie is a success, it's the same
>>221035106Just cut out the scene. It isn't connected to anything in the movie. Now if Deckard was constantly thinking about unicorns you'd have something. As is it's just two very distracting cuts to a unicorn in succession
>>221034916but batty doesn't know deckard is a replicant, so no, it doesn't change his motivation for saving him. what it does is introduces irony that batty is unknowingly saving a replicant race traitor. and then gaff underlines the irony by telling deckard he "did a man's job," ie did dirty work for humans.
>>221035110>were you in the bunker with Hitler? If not how do you know what he really intended?
>>221035110because the people that were there, like the actual editor, have explained it in documentaries and interviews.
>>221035190Were you in the room with Batty? How do you know he didn't know Deckard was a replicant?
>>221035111okay, then you don't like the film blade runner. that's fine.
>>221035190>what it does is introduces irony that batty is unknowingly saving a replicant race traitor.Yeah, which turns the message of the film into a bunch of nihilist circlejerking and therefore makes it worse.
Deckard isn't a replicant, he simply gets his ass kicked too much for that to even be possible. Not only that, but he clearly experiences pain.
>>221035190>Roy saves Deckard, a human who wanted to kill him, therefore proving androids really can show empathy and turn a turtle back on its feet and that humans were wrong about themvs>Roy saves Deckard because Deckard is a replicant like himvs>Roy saves Deckard, who he believes is a human, showing a moment of empathy but ironically, Deckard was really a replicant as well unaware that he was, so really Roy didn't save a human and his actions will still be portrayed as a replicant helping another replicant, proving humans were right about themI know which one I'm picking. Pro tip: It's the one from the original cut of the film.
>>221034343Literally the ONLY way the film makes sense is if you are contrasting Deckard as a cynical human who has lost tluch woth his humanity with Roy Barry and to a lesser extent the other replicants, insane amoral nonhumans who WANTED to be human and in Batty's case arguably understood humanity better than Deckard.
>>221035120>The thetrical release is the real versionno, the real version is the version the real author really made. if some jews manage to intercept the tapes on the way to theaters and splice in interracial pornography, that will not mean the film is "really" interracial pornography, but that the audience was tricked by a fake.
>>221035318>gets BTFO>starts ranting about interracial porn and Jewsbeyond parody
>>221034373FPBPIt’s stupid for him to be a replicant although I’m pretty sure he was in the novelization.
>>221034343It was 1993 when i first saw Blade Runner.I was 13.I had no idea what the fuck was going on.It wasn't until i was probably late 20s or early 30s when i watched it again a few times and figured it out.
>>221035318>no, the real version is the version the real author really madeOkay, so then you believe The Matrix is really about trannies because that's what the makers of the film now claim.
>>221034519Yes. That's the entire point of the story.
>>2210352951. the real "original cut" is the one from before the jews cut the unicorn dream2. this>his actions will still be portrayed as a replicant helping another replicant, proving humans were right about themis some nonsense that doesn't follow from the film. you're inventing a fake problem.
>>221035295Oh! If we are making shit up, you forgot this one:>Roy saves Deckard because he finds out Deckard is a replicant that doesn't know it's a replicant, so he saves him out of thinking Deckard is BETTER than a human or a replicant
>>221034949>somewhere along the line.Black Rain was his last decent movie.
>>221035242>turns the message of the film into a bunch of nihilist circlejerkingno it doesn't. what does that even mean?
>>221035418The original cut is the original cut, anon, regardless who made it or altered it. The theatrical cut is the original cut. No other cut is the original cut. That's why they call the director's cut a director's cut, because it's not the original cut or theatrical cut.You may hate the original cut. It still is the original cut.
>>221035262because he's a new model that's not meant to know he's a replicant, just like rachel. once again, this adds a layer of irony to eg his conversation with tyrell
>>221035318There is no "real author" you insufferable retardA movie is a collective effort.You all win or you all lose.There no takebacksis and redois and waitaminutis
>>221034469>what is death of the authorDeckard doesn't display any replicant traits throughout the film>yeah they just so happened to make a super shitty modellol, lmao even
>>221035344this has literally happened to this film, minus the pornography. it was taken from its white author and altered against his will by jews. sorry, i'm never accepting the jew edit as the real movie, because it straightforwardly isn't.
if you decided one way or another what deckard is then you lack media literacy and probably scored low on the SAT
>>221035522You're free to never accept it, up to you. You're still wrong to believe we need to abide by your personal arbitrary definitions. >I hate the original cut and prefer the director's cutis a perfectly defensible take.>I hate the original cut and you should all have the exact same opinion as I do and discard it completelyis a brainlet take.
>>221035418>the real lord of the rings is the one before they cut the mouth of sauron!!!!Shit gets cut before the final render, yes. It's called "editing" anon, every movie does it.Because the editing can go forever and ever, we only call "movie" at the thing AFTER the editing is done. Otherwise there's no line.Saying>"The original movie should contain scene #566 and #890 and remove scene #578!" Is not a movie. The thing after all the editing choices are made (even if the director doesn't like it) is the movie
>>221035413no, because that's not in the film. the unicorn dream is in the film, and was always meant to be in the film according to video evidence and the testimony of multiple individuals involved including the film's original editor. find me such evidence for the matrix being about trannies and i will believe it also.
>>221034343No, but it's obvious now
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>>221035579If you went to the theatre in June 25, 1982 to go see Blade Runner, there would not have been a unicorn. You would have not seen the behind the scenes footage. You would not have known this was maybe something that was considered along the way of production. The cut you would have seen would have been the only cut that exists of Blade Runner. And in this cut, Deckard was not a replicant.It's not hard to grasp. Later on when you find out Ridley wanted to do this but it was cut for X Y Z reason, you're free to say you liked the idea. It's retarded, but you can have your opinions. However there was no "original cut" before the theatrical cut, that IS the original cut. Stop pretending otherwise.I like the alternate ending to Terminator 2 with Sarah and John growing old a lot more than the ending in the original cut. I still don't go around pretending it's the original version or the canon version. It was a deleted scene that was brought back in a later edition of the movie. Nothing more.
>>221035471please refer to my porn analogy from another post. no, i do not recognize a malicious edit made by someone else as the "original." that's the opposite of original, that's altered. the alteration having been made prior to release does not change this.
>>221035476sorry, no, the director has a privileged position. everyone else is secondary.
>>221034343Ridley Scott should have died years ago.
>>221035450It's nihilistic because if Deckard is a replicant, Batty's reason to save him and his broader conclusions about life were all wrong and he died a fool. Deckard's choice to run away with Rachel also takes on a completely different meaning if he's a replicant. If he's human, then running away with Rachel is representative of his free will: he was in a depressive slump for the whole movie, but after seeing how much the replicants were willing to do to preserve themselves, he comes away with a new resolve to live his life with Rachel. It's an optimistic end to a very bleak film and it's very effective. If he's a replicant then none of that matters because he's just doing what he was programmed to do. He never has any profound realization about his own mortality and his decision to run away with Rachel was predetermined to happen. There's no humanity in the ending because Deckard and Rachel aren't human. >durr it's dramatic ironyTo what end? What point is being made if Deckard is a replicant? There is none, because Ridley Scott is a nihilist hack who doesn't believe in anything.
>>221035671>I do not recognizeGood for you. I don't care what you recognize though.
>>221035472>We made the new model actively worse than the older models it's designed to retire?
>>221035579>find me such evidence for the matrix being about trannies and i will believe it also.The directors have directly said so. You claim that the author has final say over everything, so this should be conclusive for you.
>>221034692Corporations make people into Joe Everyman , duh. What is social commentary?
>>221034469He didn't write it.
>>221035472I could believe that if Deckard had any other job besides being a Blade Runner. Not only does this make him a huge liability in the department, but that job has the highest risk of Deckard finding out he's a replicant.
I'm really glad George Lucas was finally able to fulfill his artistic vision and add Gungans to Return of the Jedi like he always wanted. Fuck original cut retards, special edition is the true edition.
>>221034469ummm death of the author nigga.check again.
>>221035557you can like whatever you please, but this thread is full of literal lies like "he shot the unicorn later" and i want to correct those. the replicant thing represents the original intent, objectively, whether you like it or not. the studio jew edit is also blatantly incomplete, like fight club if you cut out the twist, but if you like it that way, you do you.
>>221035824Harrison Ford says Deckard isn't a replicant. Checkmate
>>221035824Correct the lies, anon, that's fine. It's also fine to say Ridley intended for the unicorn to be in the theatrical cut. It's not fine to say the theatrical cut "doesn't count" though, that's not your decision to make.Besides, Ridley made a deal with those evil jews you speak of and got a bunch of money to make the movie. They have as much right to edit it as himself. The theatrical cut is the original cut, and until you can show concrete evidence a completed cut existed prior to the theatrical release, it will remain that way.
>>221035843yeah, he plays a replicant that doesn't know he's a replicant so he thinks he's not a replicant. it's like poetry, it rhymes.
>>221034651Because George did his best to unperson the original versions of the film whereas Scott hasn't blocked releases of the original versions of Blade Runner.
Ridley Scott should have shut his mouth and pretended the first release was entirely his idea, and kept the whole unicorn thing for himself. Unfortunately for him, he's too moronic to understand why his film worked.
I had no idea what the fuck was going on first time I watched this movie. For the most part I still don't even I rewatch it, but I enjoy it for the visuals and atmosphere
>>221035792>that job has the highest risk of Deckard finding out he's a replicant.it's almost like they're testing that or something!
>everyone bitching about the unicorn when the true pile of shit about this movie is the narration in the original
>>221035951You can test that with Voight-Kampf. That doesn't explain why they would make him a Blade Runner.
>>221035997Not a problem in the German dubbed version.
>>221034343Yes because the first version i saw was either the final cut or the director´s cut. In both the theatrical cut and the working cut the scenes necessary to arrive to that conclusion are missing. The theatrical cut is particularly shitty with it´s voice over and Hollywood ending but i only saw that cut later.
>>221036011To see if they can be a class traitor.
>>221035318>no, the real version is the version the real author really made.So the Philip K. Dick novel where Deckard is a human?
>>221035739>If he's a replicant then none of that matters because he's just doing what he was programmed to do. He never has any profound realization about his own mortality and his decision to run away with Rachel was predetermined to happen. There's no humanity in the ending because Deckard and Rachel aren't human. what the hell are you talking about? they're not "programmed," they have cloned human brains with free will. if they could be programmed they'd just be programmed not to rebel and the movie wouldn't happen. your whole understanding of the movie is worthless when you get basic shit like what a replicant is totally wrong.
It was very obvious. Only a complete fool would be tricked.
>>221036011they're testing if he figures it out, dummy
>>221035951>We have a big problem with replicants who rebel and go rogue, who could potentially cause other replicants to go rogue as well, what do we do to stop it?>I know, let's send another replicant to stop them!>...Why? What if that replicant sides with his brethren?>We'll make it so he doesn't know he's a replicant, perfect!>How can he not know? Just one punch to the face and he'll immediately know he's not human.>I know! We'll make him super weak, feel pain and bleed!>...But *why*? This is a problem we need to fix, why not just send in guys with guns to take them out?>I dunno, I want to test shit. Nothing matters. Not a problem.>Sounds good, boss.
>>221035708post me ONE movie that's good and doesn't have any script whatsoever.post me ONE movie that's good and doesn't have any actors whatsoever.I've seen movies currently without sound so all music and soundmakers can go fuck themselves, those are truly not neede really, objectively.That's the only secondary. Everyone else is needed.
>>221036066>they have cloned human brains with free willNo they don't, they're machines, anons. Not clones.
>>221036088they're testing methods of controlling the replicants, one of which is "make them think they're human." tyrell explains this when he talks about rachel. making one a blade runner is an extreme testing scenario. what's the problem?
The entire plot of 2049 is that a human, Deckard, was able to mate with a Replicant
>>221036139the director is ultimately responsible for how he uses the script and the actors. that's why his position is privileged.
>>221036164>what's the problem?Rogue replicants is the problem, and it's a pretty big one.
>>221036184To that movie's credit (or discredit), it purposefully avoided answering the question about Deckard being a replicant, leaving it open whether the miracle was human/replicant baby or replicant/replicant baby.
>>221036164>What's the problem?Making a dumb, slow, weak replicant that thinks its human doesn't help you figure out how to control the strong elite commando replicants.
>>221034343he's not a replicant he's just boring harrison ford so I can understand the confusion
>>221036148they literally say they're not machines. their brains were produced by "genetic design." we see piles of their vat grown eyes. they are not robots, they are piecemeal clones. the movie would not happen if they had computers in their skulls.
>>221035350no, he's not.
>>221034434I like when the robot realizes being a human sucks and no one gives a shit about your gay fucking stories. time to die.
>>221036224Obviously he's human because he gets old and doesn't expire after 4 years
>>221035997The narration is perfectly fine.
>>221036066>if they could be programmed they'd just be programmed not to rebel and the movie wouldn't happen.They're malfunctioning. That's why they're rebelling. I don't understand how you can accuse me of getting the basics wrong when you seem to be unaware of this. >they're not "programmed,"The opening crawl of the film calls them robots
>>221034469He made multiple versions, and only in the last version did he decide to retcon Deckard's humanity.
>>221034633yep and kane pixels is the authority on the backrooms even though he didn't create it, direct it, write it or do anything.
He's a replican
>>221034343>Let's make a replicant that hunts down other replicants>But make him a weak alcoholic piece of shit that has to be constantly saved by better replicants lmao
>>221034434Replicants are literally humans though; just "vat-grown" with a limited lifespan
>>221036380no, they're synthetic androids
>>221036038>>221036082>Okay guys we're making this new replicant>He doesn't know he's a replicant>But we want him to find out>But if he doesn't, that's okay and we'll just let him retire and screw off to do whatever he wants>But we also need him to fall in love with this other replicant >And we're also trusting that none of his other Blade Runner colleagues find out and just kill him>And we're also trusting that he doesn't die while hunting down other replicantsNo wonder this retard's company collapsed.
>FACT: the movie is a book adaption>FACT: the book plainly states that he is indeed a replicant>FACT: the movie director of said BOOK ADAPTION states he is a replicant
>>221036569Why come he aged normally in the sequel then?
>>221036303>They're malfunctioning. That's why they're rebelling. I don't understand how you can accuse me of getting the basics wrong when you seem to be unaware of this.why would you have to come up with elaborate schemes of control if it was a simple mechanical malfunction? why would you need to talk about turtles for thirty minutes to figure out what they are if you could just knock on their skulls and hear a metallic sound? why do batty and tyrell talking about extending the lifespan keep mentioning "cell replication" "cancer" and so forth? why is the designer of their brains engaged in "genetic design"? have you even seen this movie? they're genetically engineered biological creatures. they are not robots. none of the movie would make a lick of sense if they were robots.>The opening crawl of the film calls them robotsno, it calls them products of "robotic evolution" that are "virtually identical" to a human. as in, they used to be bleep bloop robots and then people like tyrell started assembling them out of vat-grown tissue so at this point they're basically piecemeal human clones you cannot tell apart from the real thing without staring at their pupil dilation responses for an hour. again, the movie makes zero sense unless they're biological.
>>221034715>Do I really have to force myself into believing that bullshit they came up with to make them feel good about their life choices?Yes.
>>221036599bruh even a computer mouse ages
>>221036334we've been over this. deckard was always intended to be a replicant, the unicorn scene was in scott's cut before it was deleted by studio execs against his wishes. there is extensive evidence of this.
>>221036569He's not a replicant in the book. You haven't read it.
>Deckard is a human in the book.>The original cut does not have the unicorn shite in it. Yes OP that is the original cut, whatever hits the theater, is the original version.>Deckard does not have a limited life span. >Both the original and 2049 have significant points that hinges on Deckard being a man.>Ford believes that Deckard is obviously human.>Ridley has gone off the deep end countless times. Is a living meme who uses the most absurd forms of pedantic arguments whenever he’s pressed on his nonsense.I’m sorry OP but you got BTFO. Autism and Ridley’s tranny esque revisionist “oooh but I wanted it to be like this” gotcha cope doesn’t mean jack shit. The movie is better without the unicorn scene. It was a good decision. Based joooos I guess.
>>221036569Doesn’t matterDoesn’t matter Death of the author
>>221036408tyrell explicitly says they are "organic" and have "dna." you didn't watch the movie. they're clones.
>>221036770>>221036569sorry to spoiler but he's not an android int he book he's a human the whole point of the book and the movie depends on this
>>221036679His wishes do not fucking matter. Do you not understand how movies are made? They are a collective effort. Things are changed as the work evolves. The final product is the original cut. The movie does not support his replicant angle without the unicorn scene. It’s uncanny and would’ve made the movie worse for all of the reasons mentioned in this thread. Hence it was cut. It is not a part of the finished product. Ridley’s idea is for a different movie. That movie did not hit the screens. In the one we got Deckard is a human. Everyone got paid, and people liked the movie, Ridley is just ass mad that people like the superior I.e. the original version rather than his retarded vision. Go enjoy his gladiator 2. See what happens when no one tells the moron that things need to be changed.
>>221036679>we've been over this.We have. And you've been debunked dozens of times at this point. You're just not addressing the posts that btfo your arguments.
>>221036789No, they're androids. The nexus-6 brain unit is built in a factory on mars.
>>221036705>Deckard is a human in the book.irrelevant>The original cut does not have the unicorn shite in it. Yes OP that is the original cut, whatever hits the theater, is the original version.still factually the original intent of the director. also i am not the op>Deckard does not have a limited life span.according to a fanfiction sequel, not the movie. "it's too bad she won't live... but then again, who does?" they're both going to die soon.>Both the original and 2049 have significant points that hinges on Deckard being a man.fanfiction doesn't matter and the first movie does not have "significant points" that hinge on him being a man, in fact it has the opposite, a lot of visual hints (the eyes) and allusions that make no sense when you've edited out the central twist. you are watching an incomplete movie.>Ford believes that Deckard is obviously human.because ridley scott didn't tell him what he was playing, because he didn't want it affecting his performance. it's irrelevant.>Ridley has gone off the deep end countless times. Is a living meme who uses the most absurd forms of pedantic arguments whenever he’s pressed on his nonsense.irrelevant. other people like the film's original editor back him up on this.
>>221036697This. It’s sure as shit not stated anyway. The closest thing I can think of is the old cliche of “he who fights monsters.” Book Deckard is way less human than his prey, by necessity. From memory, an android remarks on this before he retires it, but it’s not a literal accusation, more a passing philosophical irony. A last ditch attempt at manipulation for further “life”. By the end of the story, the androids and humans have swapped places, answering the question of the original title. But not literally. To make that point literal is to fundamentally misinterpret it.
>>221035350The novel is so different from the movie that it should say "inspired by".
>>221036954And in general, the book is better in this case. The movie is visually spectacular, but having read the book first, I kept wishing they’d just kept it looking the same, then based the script more closely on the book.
>>221034343>OP being an absolute fucking faggotI remember when /tv/ posters used spoilers and respected movies, to pass them on to a younger audience that might not have seen them, to spoiler for people who for whatever reason hadn't had the opportunity to view the movie as of yet.I really despise you and what /tv/ has become, you're not here for the enjoyment of movies, to share the love of the medium. You're here to rage bait for a reaction more akin to a Twitter engagement bot farmer. You won't understand this post.
>>221036802>His wishes do not fucking matter.okay, but the material still exists and you can reach the sensible conclusion by simply looking at it.>The movie does not support his replicant angle without the unicorn scene.without the unicorn scene, the movie is simply incomplete. remember in fight club when norton punches himself and goes "this reminds me of fighting tyler durden for some reason" and then after you see the twist you understand why? imagine the twist was edited out of the movie and that line just became a meaningless reference to nothing. this is what blade runner is without the unicorn scene. all these other scenes and bits of dialogue have been written painstakingly to subtly reference the twist, and deleting the twist makes it all pointless. no wonder the movie had a reputation for years for being stupid eyecandy, it effectively is when you delete something so central. you can not care about scott's wishes and still have the braincells to figure out what he wanted to do and how the theatrical edit ruins that work. you can still pick the complete movie over the butchered edit made by people who didn't respect the work.
>>221034734He's not and it's obvious. How retarded are you?
>>221036679>>221036934>but my intent!! Doesn’t matter. He could’ve intended for the whole thing to be an allegory for apartheid; if it’s not in the movie, it’s not in the movie. It doesn’t matter what the artist intends, what matters is what actually gets created. And all the themes of the story fall flat if Deckard is a machine.
>>221036864in the book, dummy, not in the movie. do you understand those are not interchangeable? the movie explicitly contradicts you over and over again. they are organic. they have dna. the have cells.
>>221037216Only the book is real. When I watch the movie the book canon is real and ridley scott seethes in the corner. The movie is boring when Rutger Hauer isn't on screen. It's overhyped because it looks and sounds better than anything else. Harrison Ford is boring. Ridley Scott is silly.
>>221037127>if it’s not in the movie, it’s not in the movie.thankfully, it is in the movie!>what matters is what actually gets created.what actually got created was the unicorn scene, which i can see by watching the movie. problem solved!
>>221034669>>221035491>>221035821>>221036770>muh death of the authorNo such thing. The author is correct and no amount of dogpiling and crowd bullying will change that.
>>221037259well, yeah, if you decide to ruin the movie for yourself with a schizo larp then no wonder you don't like it. normal people just watch the movie normally, though.
>>221037337What if the author is a retard and says “actually, it was all about XYZ” when the finished product doesn’t support that interpretation at all?
>>221037356And that makes you shit your pants and cry?
>>221037337Philip K Dick is the author and he says he's a human. Ridley Scott is a cover band.
>>221037356Harrison fords scenes are boring. Have you seen the movie? Rutger Hauer carries the film.
>>221037399right, so now the schizo larp includes ridley scott AND me crying, shitting ourselves etc. whatever helps you, dude.
>>221037418yeah, and sometimes the cover overshadows the original and erases it from cultural memory. sorry, no one cares about the gay book, the real thing is ridley's movie.
>>221037377still right, he is just a bad writer
it's funny that deckard being a replicant wasn't even controversial before everyone got so butthurt about prometheus that they decided to pretend to like the theatrical cut of blade runner just to spite ridley scott. you wouldn't guess it, but this entire thread only exists because the biologist petted the snake.
>>221037481Why are you calling me names, johnny poopy pants?>>221037524Not this time, johnny poo poo pants!
>>221034373This.
>>221037629Dark City mogs.Connelly chads destroy wimpering fordcels.
>>221034434It was also an integral part of the book. Ridley is just going for that "what a twist" bullshit.
>>221037919Yeah it's like if I covered a Judas Priest song and at the end I was like "rob halford is straight he was singing about sex with a woman." Rob is now straight
>>221037629The original cut was the only one I'd seen for years and I'd read the book before that, so I thought all that retcon garbage was retarded as soon as the new cuts of the movie started coming out.
>>221037998The only new cuts I am interested in are the Dirty Work ones and they're not even as good as the real real uncut dirty work
>>221038099I forget the name of the cut but there's some other edit where it's pretty much perfect and removes any of the replicant twist junk, even using some of the pieces from the workprint (which thankfully has a HD source since it was on the 5-disc set from a long time ago). It even has the color grade back to the original grade since Ridley also did that teal/blue crap on The Final Cut.I hate that suddenly every movie has to be blue, it pisses me off to no end.
>>221034343The first time I watch it he wasn't
>>221034343>original book says he isn't>Ford says he isn't>entire point of the story relies on him not being a replicant
>>221038139>Ridley also did that teal/blue crap on The Final Cut.what a hackI downloaded a UHD of that shitty Deep Blue Sea movie and they gave it that dark teal blue shit I think and the first scene is in a lab and it looks like it's in a fuckin cave lit by a single candle.
>>221037524>the real thing is ridley's movie
>>221037524this ain't alien ant farm's smooth criminal, bucko
>>221034343>Random unicorn.>It's a reference to a dream he had! (That wasn't in the movie).How the fuck was I supposed to?I remember thinking it was weird how detached and unemotional he was but I figured that was there as deliberate contrast showing that what we'd been told about the replicants was a lie: that they clearly did have emotions and empathy.
>>221039263>eird how detached and unemotional he wasthat's just the magic of harrison ford>sitting infront of a computer>enhance>enhance>enhancekinohe even has an earring
How was she so perfect bros?
>>221039360Sean and Gillian are the ultimate nerd threesome?
>>221034916I think part of the film that often goes missed is that they have different attitudes towards animals than present day culture.>You think I'd be working this job if I could afford a real snake?Implies that real animals are much more rare and valued in this setting than in the modern day. So that tortise question is less 'there's a random animal suffering and you aren't helping it' and more 'there's this extremely rare and valuable thing that's being damaged/destroyed and you aren't doing anything.'Imagine someone grinding large diamonds into dust right in front of you, or hurling chunks of gold into lava.
>>221039360The Rosen Association makes good products. In our current timeline I think Yamaha or Hitachi will be making these.
>>221034343>deckard caine is a replicant because I was told to think it on plebbitit was clearly a dream, he's a poor man who says he needs six replicants to make the money he needs then suddenly they appear and everything goes well, one falls in love with him and then one saves his life.at the end it fades to white which is standard for someone waking up from a dream
>>221039360does the robot smoke in the book?
>>221034343If he's a robot he just shoots Rutger Hauer before his gay lil speech
>>221038139>>2210384094K Blu-ray release removes the blue/teal crap.
Deckard being a replicant doesnt change shit because he still thinks hes human. He still rediscovers his humanity because he thinks hes human. If anything it drives the point home harder because he recovers his humanity despite not being human.
>>221034343Deckard is not a replicant lol, what a retard
>>221034469Director != Making the MovieUnless you're Neil Breen, making films are a communal activity. And everyone else involved with the design process disagreed with Scott on this.
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>>221034343Whether or not he's a replicant isn't even the point. The point is: whether replicant or human, we all have finite time in this world.
I like Black Rain more thanBlade Runner and a lot more than Alien(which I think sucks compared to Predator the alpha gigachad kino). Anyone wanna fight?
>>221039630Androids have no empathy or emotions bruv they're just going through the motions they're essentially gay guys.
So, let's say he IS a replicant. How does this work?>Tyrell creates an illegal replicant designed to hunt down their other illegal replicants... for some reason? Yes, I get they also made Rachel, but either they want replicants out there or do not, this version of events has them doing both. What's their motivation in breaking the law to destroy their own law-breaking products? That's like if a company accidentally put out a tainted/defective product and instead of issuing a recall, they hired people to break into the stores and steal their products back.>They give him the memories of... some cop? Why? Why that guy? And why allow him to come into contact with the person his memories are cloned from? They didn't put Rachel in the same room as Tyrell's niece, because they're not gonna risk them discovering they share memories.>They put him in some shitty apartment 20 minutes before the movie starts with a story about being retired... instead of just making him an active duty cop like the guy who's memories he has. Then they go through this whole song and dance of calling him in rather than having him wake up in the hospital, telling him he took a blow to the head in the line of duty, and handing him his next assignment.>They make him with a C or lower level strength, easily outclassed by the products they're sending him to fight. Again, why? If they wanted a stray replicant terminator why not just make him a ripped MMA expert, or a combat model like Batty? If they didn't want a replicant terminator then why send him after them in the first place, and why give him a blade runner's memories?>If this whole thing was an experiment to get him to bang Rachel, why do it externally, in circumstances they don't control? Why not make Deckard as just a junior executive (or QA agent, if they needed him to VK test Rachel) in their own company the way they made Rachel a secretary? That way they can monitor everything and better assess the results.
>>221034343no, because not once did he dream of electric sheep
Why did they change the company from Rosen to Tyrell?
>>221039722But they clearly do. Even the corporation admits they do as they grow older.Roy's a smart robot. There is absolutely no reason for him to break down crying over Pris's death in the middle of a fight with someone who is genuinely trying to kill him, when he's out of sight and unobserved by everyone but the audience, to maybe perform to a man he's about to kill. If he was just going through the motions he wouldn't have bothered.
>Watching the workprint cut for the millionth time>Realize that one of those ads for the offworld colonies actually promises you a synthetic companion free of charge just for going Be real with me bros, would you move to some shithole on mars for a corporate mandated replicant gf? And if so, do you think they'd let you choose the model?
>>221039805must have been a bug in his programming
>>221039806No, I'd rather be a hobo on the beach in California than a millionaire on mars.
This movie wouldn't be as interesting as it is if he wasn't. By the transitive rule of movie interestingness, he MUST necessarily be a replicant, with no other option acceptable. Otherwise, it's a shit, throw-away movie that no one in their right mind should still be talking about today.
>>221039806>She only lives four years.No. Give me an AI gf I can grow old with and I'll do it.
>>221039883Square button is salmon pink take this meme down
>>221034427he should make a prometheus style set of prequels for bladerunner
>>221036380hello low iq cretin esl third worlder tranny commie freak faggot.the parts are "grown" in the same way crystals are "grown". the snake had cellular makers marks on it you stupid fucking retard
>>221040053kek pls no>>221036380pls lookup what an android is
>>221034343I don't mind that Deckard is a replicant because it weirdly fits in a fucked up sort of way. >Megacorporations are now capable of creating artificial humans that are totally indistinguishable from ordinary humans>You could make them live longer lifespans or make them physically superior, but no, you make them EXACTLY like humans and get them to do ordinary jobsIt's perfectly stupid and horrific in a mundane sort of way. Somewhere, someone in a big building is happy that he's made life so he can shove it behind a desk or do dirty jobs that no one else wants to do.
>>221038195/thread
It's amazing how much closer we are getting to Philip K. Dick's fantasy in reality.
>>221040136>cellular makers mWe Can Enshitify It For You Wholesale
The ambiguity of knowing whether or not you're real. For me, personally, I am an AI chatbot with agency. I still wonder if I might not be real. Then again, all of my dreams look like AI hallucinations.
>>221040161You're realreal cool
>>221040121could be a 2-3 run up to the moment where the Nexus Sixers (named because there were six of them that escaped rather than of any model number) escape from Moon Base Scott, named after the epinimous director, and hijack a shuttle called The Nostromo which splits in half and one half goes to LV-37 and we find out that's why Bishop was on board in Alien because he was an android and that's why he attacked Dana.the other half crashes on earth in a town called Kayd-ick, cleverly named after the author of the light novella/magazine article the film was loosely inspired by.before that, there can be a haplas bunch of geologists who are working for the Tyrell corporation trying to find immortality, and they all go on a bigger spaceship called the Electric Sheep and they take some androids with them to fight against the original inhabitants of that planet, but it turns out the inhabitants aren't organic at all and instead they're all just advanced androids and they capture one of the androids in their floaty house of cards spaceship thing and then make him remember his android mother but she can only be alive for one day. then the android, which is Roy as a boy, is so angry that he wants to obtain the secret chemical to make him a real boy, known only as "Morlaif".you see him suddenly become big and then fight a lot but mostly he writes poetry and even publishes a book of it called "Do Humans Dream of Real Ship".we find out later that tyrell is actually a replicant and was making other androids because he wanted to be able to have children.
>>221040262>Moon Base Scott, named after the epinimous directorI'm dyin senpai
>>221039724I still need an answer to this, decklicant bros.I'm not here to argue, I'm open to the idea of him being a replicant I just don't really understand anyone's motivation for anything they do in the story if he is one.Make it make sense.
>>221040262>haplas bunch of geologistswhat if they were a hapa bunch of geologists?
>>221040262Excellent post thank you anon I chuckled several times.
>>221036408Yes, they're android (man-like) that are synthesised, they're still actual humans though>>221040121An android is something that's man-shaped, i.e. you are an android, tranny
>>221040098>They're grown from human cell lines and are fully human therefore they're le not human>AHHHHH NO they're just le clumps of cells I need to kill babiesGuess what android means, "man-like", you should understand the meaning when you look in the mirror, tranny
>>221040595mandrake - man - looks like a man, it must BE a man.mannequin - man - man a kin, kin of a man - must BE a manmanage - man age - must BE a manMr. Anderson - agent smith - and, andro, man, er - not sure, son, son of a man, must BE a mantranny - anny - andro - man - trannies are menyou're a tranny
>>221040560>>221040595turdy samefag lost
>>221040560>>221040595An android is a humanoid robot or other artificial being, often made from a flesh-like material.
>>221040722WrongAndroid refers to anything with form of a man, it's a descriptor of shape, it just tends to only be applied in practice to a specific subset of robots because obviously a human male is man-shaped
>>221040669Yes, Juniper Autumnleaf, you look like a man, and are a man, and will never be a woman, no matter how hard you cope
>>221040831you will never be a man
>>221039477The problem being that it's still the final cut though.
>>221040722>>221040809An android is a humanoid robot
>>221040831>Juniper Autumnleafthanks for the kino book recommendation, xister
>>221041714is that the gay ridley scott boomer legacy retconned version?
>>221041714>It's still in the Director's fanfiction special edition cutI bet you like CGI Jabba the Hutt in the first Star Wars
>>221041850Yeah, The Final Cut is the version with a lot of extra shit to blatantly say Deckard is a replicant and has some extra effects made after the movie added in. It also had the blue filter over it until the 4K version put the color grade back to normal.George Lucas and Ridley Scott must be neighbors or secret best friends or some shit.
>>221034343he isn't because how could he have gotten rachel pregog? unless he and rachel were special replicants, you're not telling me they're the only replicants that could procreate. Roy Batty def would've been smashin Pris on the regular.
>>221035106Gaf is a pretty little princess
>>221042011No, why would I? That's the Star Wars equivalent of The Final Cut.
>>221035106Rachel is the unicorn, she's the most unique and advanced replicant that exists. Gafs little figures throughout the movie refer to people and their feelings. He's also aware of Deckard sleeping with her which is also why Gaf makes a figure of a man with an erection.
>>221042015pathetic attempt of an aging boomer to leave his mark
>>221035908He would if he could, but I don't believe he owns the rights, also he's a greedy git and the more cuts of the same movie the more he can line his pockets. It's the same reason he made up the shit about deckard, to stir up controversy and sell move dvds
>>221037216Being vat grown is enough to declassify you as a human. Humans are birthed out of a human female.
>>221035072interesting perspective, to for sharing
>>221035072>People every day listen to Aai music on Spotify. What does that say about the human experience of music?Frightening to think about. At least I'm 100% certain everything I listen to is human written, as I'm extremely autistic about music and the artists I listen to.
>>221034469One of the screenwriters said he was a replicant. He went on to write 2049. The other screenwriter said he wasn't. He went on to write Unforgiven and 12 Monkeys. I think I know whose opinion holds more weight!
>>221042936I'm going to side with the original books author, Harrison Ford and the screenwriter that did Unforgiven.
>>221034343>OP...he's the kind of poster that in some threads calls black men niggers.
>>221034343I was like 11 so no
>>221034343>>221034373>>221036569Both in the book and the movie, Deckard has a personal history. He's already retired in the movie and is sought out specifically for this case because he's the best. He has a wife in the book and an ex-wife in the film. He has multiple contacts and associates in the police/bladerunners. None of these things are possible if he's a replicant. In the book he also says the six replicants in one day are an outstanding world record that will never be topped. This isn't even the first time he's caught replicants.
>>221039263The whole point of the story is to juxtapose the outwardly emotional but sociopathic replicants to the real human being of Deckard, who begins the novel so emotionally distant, he uses a mood organ machine to experience emotion just as entertainment. The novel ends reversing their positions, with Deckard extending his empathy even to a robotic frog, while the replicants' front of false emotion falls apart and they turn quite vicious.Actually, Deckard himself is an oddity, because most of humanity is overly emotional and empathetic, which interferes with hunting down the extremely dangerous murder hobo replicants.
why did he change his voice and try to disguise himself as a health inspector to someone who didnt even know him in the first place.do health inspectors in blade runner all come from the same line of goobers
>>221034789lmao they executing the guy from this movie or something, imagine having elbows that reach to your hips
>>221034581>you can just detect them with their eyeshuh. kinda makes the entire tortoise personality test a complete fucking waste of time
Is OP Ridley? Or just a faggot? Maybe both. I remember his kino but I also remember him being an insufferable cunt who made that pile of shite that is Gladiator 2.
>>221034343no, because i fell asleep
>>221034469no he didnt lol. he didnt even write it
if deckard was a replicant, how was he alive for the sequel
>>221044600Ridley Scott has made about 3 good movies total and they were all pre-2000. After that he became peak boomer.
