>>221037351
They intentionally make her look like a possessed girl to make the message crystal clear that she is not being herself and her "love" is just a twisted mockery of it

>>221037351
When she beat that bitch's face against the rock it made my girlfriend scream and made me imagine my girfriend doing it to someone else

>>221037351
If I was bear I would have just wished for a harem of Nickies to appear that love me and would do anything for me.

>>221037384
>love
>in 2026

>>221037351
>Having a gf that loves you
So Sarah, who Bear should've reasonably gone for.
>and will kill for you
Wish Nikki isn't an actual person.

what is love?

Thank you for consooming and thank you for shilling (for free), OP. Stay cucked, eternal goy

>>221037496
>Sarah
ah yes the girl who Bear had apparently known for years but showed less sign of liking him than Nikki did until the moment the plot required her to make her interest clear.

>>221037496
Not going to lie, Sarah mogs Nickie hard. Like it isn't even a competion. Or maybe thats my yellow fever talking.

>>221037508
An illusion built on fleeting emotions

>>221037384
women are not able to love, they just fear being alone, or want to make other women jealous of the man that they got for themselves.
this is why she experiencing LOVE seems so uncanny, they are not meant to feel it.

>>221037351
When you got money, you don’t want these things.
The movie only works if the male is middle class or below.

>>221037611
Faggot

>>221037351
>Woman has a moment of clarity
>Tells you she thinks of you like a little brother
>Guy doesn't immediately nut

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>>221037351
According to the internet, women simultaneously have a seething hatred for men and would brutally murder every last one if they could but also they are cock hungry cum whores that want as many penises in their body that can possibly fit.

>>221037625
Why is that? I’m a poorfag so I’m curious what richfags think about this

>>221037635
i didn't insulted you, you are male, and everyone that sees you knows it.

>>221037611
Holy based
>>221037635
Wow what a compelling counterpoint

>>221037703
Obviously you cannot be ugly or deformed or “unattractive.” If you look anything 7 or above, you know it is always available. Also, when you’re under 18, you don’t care about money, so the girls you got were always free. Once you are over 20, and you see how much a girl’s look’s declines once she hits 21, you kind of really see the power dynamics shift. A girl’s looks declines by at least 30% by the time she hits 21.
When you as a man turn 25+, you find out now desperate girls are to marry.
This is where the bottom 90% of men find a chance to get married to these post wall females.

>>221037508
BABY DON’T HURT ME

>>221037533
Bar scene. Nikki would talk to almost anyone over Bear, while Sarah sat down and actually listened to him talk about what was bothering him. It was clear early on that she cared for Bear more than Nikki did.

>>221037669
Women online are performative psychos and don't reflect any worthwhile women irl

>>221037927
baaaaaaaased

As the only non-mouth breather itt, I haven't watched it. Never will. Why are you guys still consooming jewish media?

>>221038017
Yes anon, you are so smart and intelligent and superior and your mom loves you very much, now come down for dinner sweetie, your tendies are ready.

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>>221037483

Straight men say shit like this but continue being straight lmao.

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>>221038072
lol 4chan will always mostly be whiny incel central.

>>221038072
if we could get pussy without the personality attached to it, that would be great.

>>221037384
If the woman isn't a virgin then there is no such thing as "love"

>>221038058
Huh? I live in my own house and make my own food. Lay off the 'chon and the projecting, and learn some skills, anon. You'll thank me one day

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>>221037611
I'm sorry about whatever happened to you anon, but you don't have to live like this the rest of your life.

>>221038273
Yes you're mommy's biggest boy now come get your tendies

>>221038369
Is that you and your gf in the picture? :)

>>221037842
DON'T HURT ME

>>221038387
?

>>221037351
I'd kill for an obsessive girlfriend. The one I had for 4 years became an absolute lazy cunt in every department.

Give me a shut in girl who loves me.

>>221037351
But women act like this without possession

>>221037611
Pure fact.


They were literally made just to bare children. Thats it. Theres nothing more too it. They dont have feelings etc.

>>221037351
We had this thread already faggot

>>221037351
The only thing I want to know is if the demon possessing nikki could have eventually figured out how to be normal, or if she/it was just on purpose trying to ruin it.

>>221037833
Nigga you impotent or something?

>>221038606
I need validation

>>221037754
It's not a counterpoint. It's just a statement of fact, faggot.

>>221037351
When I went to see it the other day, the theatre was filled with teenagers. The movie's pretty demoralizing, generally, and I could see the broccoli-heads and their female counterparts were unsettled afterward. For the impressionable people in the audience, I could imagine the movie turning them off of love for a bit, or causing them not to trust members of the opposite sex. Little things like Nikki and the retarded friend hooking up for years without telling the MC are tossed in and would no doubt have small psychological influences on those without fully developed defences or perspectives. I'm so tired of this shit, man. And I learned after the film that the chick who plays Nikki is 4'11". What're we doing here?

>>221037351
I fucked up by telling a girl I found this movie funny. It was a black comedy!!! The guy who made it is a sketch comedian! I'm not weird! She beat her face in for so long!

>>221038676
i don't think Freaky Nikki could ever be normal
>Just act like Nikki!
>I CAN'T BE NIKKI
she's just too obsessive, and the real Nikki probably contributed a lot to the instability too. Freaky Nikki was terrified of going to sleep because the real Nikki takes control. i think eventually real Nikki would have shanked Bear in the brief moments she has control, and that's how I interpreted that scene where freaky Nikki is telling Bear she would never hurt him before abruptly lunging at him I think that was the real Nikki lunging at him

>I wish the next person to use one of these to make a wish would make the perfect wish
tell me how this wouldn't work

>>221039435
good take
real nikki is the one attacking herself in the jump scare moments where she says something about 'its on me'. eventually she would stop trying to kill the vessel of freaky nikki and try to kill bear to escape

I wish everybody was immortal except for me. *snap*
Enjoy.

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>>221039584
Maybe that finally explains what really happened here.

>>221039435
Freaky Nikki could never be real Nikki because she was Bear's fantasy version of love. The entity/demon also seems capable of detecting what Bear is in love with, which is why everything is smooth in the beginning when he was in the honeymoon relationship phase. But he mindbreaks freaky Nikki as time goes on as he gets more skeptical, making her imitate what he's actually in love with like his cat, and later, covering herself in Sarah's tattoos + smoking when Bear finally started reciprocating her feelings.

That's why she does that demonic rewind walk after the party when Bear said he loves her. She was able to detect he was lying. And as you said, real Nikki probably was trying to actually kill him in the end.

>>221037611
Untrue. Women can love their children and themselves.

>>221038428
NO MOOOORE

>>221038103
Why is this image so fucking hilarious to me? I crack up every single time I see it.

>>221039435
Surprisingly sensible interpretation

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>>221039435
>Freaky Nikki was terrified of going to sleep because the real Nikki takes control. i think eventually real Nikki would have shanked Bear in the brief moments she has control, and that's how I interpreted that scene where freaky Nikki is telling Bear she would never hurt him before abruptly lunging at him I think that was the real Nikki lunging at him
Unironically based take. That actually makes a lot of sense.

>>221038111
Gays can't be incels

>>221037537
Smoking isn't attractive

>>221040157
False.

That she just shoves his corpse onto the ground and ignores him at the end proves that Nikki never gave a shit about Bear.

>>221040354
I wouldn't either in her situation, but I felt like even at the beginning she didn't have strong feelings for him.

>>221040354
Nigga, she was traumatized, at that point she obviously hate him.

>>221040505
The "she probably would have gone out with him if he just manned up!" discourse is so strange to me.
It seems very obvious that she was lukewarm on him at best, and probably did like him as a friend, and the thing people are reacting to is her trying to get shutting him down out of the way because she doesn't like him being weird, and probably to some extent doesn't want her pining after her unrealistically forever just for his own sake.

It wasn't a
>if you have feelings for me tell me now
type of response, it was
>you have to drop this but you won't even bring it up to the point where I can tell you to drop it, and I'm not going to just preemptively turn your down on the off chance that I'm reading things wrong, I'm not stepping on a landmine for you

>>221037351
Mind raping a girl to love you because you are too afraid to ask her out honestly.
Bear is such a coward.

Why did she hate her dad? It never explains it.

>>221040643
She's a drug addict, anon. Her father thinks she's a degenerate.

>>221040672
Did she have sex with her dad? Why is she called freaky nikki. Look at her last name

>>221040580
Dead on, that was my read as I was watching the movie. Her being on and off with Ian only solidified that, she already had a thing going on in the friend group.

people who watched this movie are retarded and people who haven't watched this movie are retarded
The wish sucked and the sex wasn't even good because the wish didn't make her want to fuck, apparently, so it wasn't worth it at all

>>221040780
Yeah, I mean I admit that I entertained the idea but after thinking for a while, it seems pretty obvious and sarah literally explain this, and while they might have been reading the situation wrong they're probably right, the only ambiguity comes if you ignore everything other than the scene where Nikki asks him if he likes her, which has other interpretations than the fairy tale one people want to believe in that the movie actively contradicts.

>>221040829
Ian and Sarah*, I'm pretty sure they both openly explain it.

>>221040580
both the director and the lead actress have said nikki did like him and probably would've gone out with him if he'd asked
because obviously she would have settled with a beta as she hits her late 20s and already spent time being ragdolled by more assertive men

incel thread alert

>>221040843
I don't give a shit about what the writer thinks. Death of the Author and all that.

>>221040872
well the movie already doesn't make sense in a vacuum thanks to the "author"
it's full of contradictions and poorly thought out contrivances

>>221040872
Then you simply have autism and face blindness if you didn't see the disappointment on her face and the sad stare she gave when he pussied out and lied about not liking her. Not to mention the love rocks she was throwing when she was teasing about Sarah liking Bear in a jealous tone

>>221040961
I'm seeing it as her being disappointed that he's going to continue being weird rather than wanting to resolve the tension, not her being sad that they can't go out.
That said, he's probably an upgrade over the fat friend so maybe she sees him as an out, but she'd be disappointed after his sad-sackery gets old.

>>221040354
Yeah, it had nothing to do with emotionally processing the fact her possessed body just murdered her 2 best friends.

>>221038405
No, but it will be me soon. If I keep defending women on the internet and calling everyone incels, she will DM me in due time. I'm not an incel, just a temporarily embarassed chad.

>>221040895
>it's full of contradictions and poorly thought out contrivances
no it's not

>>221040961
nah maybe she gives him a chance but it quickly crumbles at best
any takeaway should be, yes don't be a pussy but also that he had Sarah if he weren't so blinded by simpdom - peddling some guarantee that your crush is secretly just waiting for you to ask fantasy is kind of at odds with the theme but her ambiguity does make it more interesting for sure

>>221041298
>the love wish makes her willing to kill people out of jealousy but not be enthusiastic during sex

>>221041324
freaky nikki was enthusiastic during sex at least during the first night, the other time we see them having sex and nikki has a stonecold face is probably because the real nikki is leaking through

>>221039435
>she would never hurt him before abruptly lunging at him I think that was the real Nikki lunging at him
i’m 50/50 on whether it was that or if it was wish Nikki implicitly threatening him into staying with her.
>I would never hurt you baby (but I could)

>>221041361
because she's possessed by a demon, right, and her soul was in hell and that's why she can be talked to on a phone? but then sometimes her soul comes back?
or was she mind-controlled by the wish, but only sometimes? and why only sometimes?
is morally worse to wish for a woman to have sex with you or to wish for her to kill innocent people? because apparently bear could've used nikki as his personal assassin and there would've been no issues, but having sex is too taxing on the replacement nikki to the extent that wish breaks

I don't get it. What's the big deal if a girl who loves you wants to watch you sleep?

>>221041405
i don't know what you're complaining about, real nikki leaks through throughout the movie. it adds a nice element to the story. is your argument really "the wish wouldn't allow it!" as if wishes are real things that can be quantified what can and can't happen, the writer can do whatever he wants with the concept of the wish its ultimate purpose is to serve the storyline; which it probably does fine enough considering this is probably the most well-received movie of the year

>>221041439
Maybe don’t move around like you’re possessed and I could (maybe) tolerate it desu

>>221041473
It was still cute when she was doing the funny cartoon sneaking walking. It was just when she movies like fast reverse motion.

>>221041444
if your point is "whatever"
then don't fucking argue when someone says the movie doesn't make sense
"freaky nikki" doesn't really want to fuck, and it's not explained why, and there's no reason why she wouldn't, or why she'd be more interested in behaving like fucking Vincent D'nofrio in Men in Black with a giant cockroach wearing his skin than a slutty girlfriend

>>221041534
>"freaky nikki" doesn't really want to fuck
Except she threatened to cut his cock off and shove it up her snatch if he ever were to stop having sex with her lol.

>>221041444
The wish was inconsistent both throughout the movie and directly contradicts statements from the interviews after. The lead actress said it wasn't a demonic possession type situation, which is complete nonsense for many reasons:
>exorcist symbolism with pissing on the carpet + puke
>her face morphing during the watching Bear sleep scene
>the operator putting bear on with her tortured soul
>the creepy time-reversal walk she does when she threatens Bear before the fake-charge
>forcefeeding him his cat

Not to mention the store owner and operator most likely being demons by goading Bear to kill himself and selling incredibly dangerous magical artifacts that 100% fuck up anyone that uses them. Then the movie contradicts all this at the end when possessed Nikki wishes for Bear to love her, which makes no sense after showing that freaky Nikki enjoys a degree of traumatizing Bear. Unless demon Nikki made the wish to ensure Bear swallow the pills and dies, but then we go back to it being a possession movie.

>>221041583
and then sex with her becomes like fucking a corpse
why?

>>221039834
OHOOOHWOAHOOOOAWAOOA

>>221041627
Bear sucks at sexxo + real Nikki being traumatized influencing her demeanor

>>221040852
Yea now that u showed up lmfao

>>221041660
>Bear sucks at sexxo
this shouldn't matter in the face of a magical love wish
>real Nikki being traumatized influencing her demeanor
why? how?
why did self mutilation not do that?
or murder?

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>>221037351
I read the synopsis of that movie before watching it with my wife.

My reaction before and after is the same.

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>>221041534
>"freaky nikki" doesn't really want to fuck
during their first sex scene she was really into it, which is why I theorized the real nikki was leaking through the 2nd time. and I don't know why you think
>but having sex is too taxing on the replacement nikki to the extent that wish breaks
that is how it works nikki leaks into freaky nikki at total random. or you can interpret it another way of freaky nikki not being totally there, in another scene you see freaky nikki reading a book but if you pay close enough attention you notice the book is upside down aka she's putting on a performance. freaky nikki tries to put on a performance for Bear and in that instance she might think being into sex wouldn't benefit him so she's just passive. also it's like a 2 second shot of her face. the narrative purpose of seeing her face like that is probably to highlight how fucked it is that Bear is fucking her despite confirming it's not really Nikki in the previous scene. love isn't just lust the movie is named obsession Nikki has an obsession with Bear obsession leads to erratic behaviours, the movie would have been shit if it was just freaky Nikki being a slut

>>221041589
when the director says it's not a demon possession he's probably speaking literally. freaky Nikki isn't like a literal separate entity it's still just Nikki the obsession making her act this way while her real personality gets pushed to the back of her skull. this clarification is probably just to make it more tragic for Nikki because it is her doing these things, rather than to say it's fundamentally a different story to a demon possession considering that's still basically the kind of genre the movie is going for

>>221041589
Yeah I'm ignoring all those interviews, canon is what's in the movie and the movie is absolutely a possession story. The alternative would be some sort of mimic / body double which would make zero sense because the real nikki surfaces multiple times from the demon nikki's body

>>221041735
I agree!
I'll even expand it, death to all cheaters!

>>221041754
>that is how it works nikki leaks into freaky nikki at total random.
why
>love isn't just lust the movie is named obsession Nikki has an obsession with Bear obsession leads to erratic behaviours, the movie would have been shit if it was just freaky Nikki being a slut
No one said it should be just that, merely that it's nonsensical than it's not ALSO that
>freaky Nikki isn't like a literal separate entity it's still just Nikki
except real nikki was on the phone

>>221041735
>Wanting a gf makes you a rapist

Would it have been possible to make it work long term with freaky Nikki or would it always end with someone dying?

>>221038072
>women are cowardly women
>men are brave men
You don't need a video to tell you that

>>221041803
>why
???? why not ???? it serves the story. it's a fictional concept. is this how you watch movies? you see the real Nikki acting horrified and you think to yourself "Uhm ackually this isn't a realistic portrayal of a magic wish"

>No one said it should be just that, merely that it's nonsensical than it's not ALSO that
if they made that a bigger motif of the movie that'd be fine but we probably didn't need scenes of Nikki wanting to fuck Bear

>except real nikki was on the phone
I'm not watching all these interviews I don't care but I did see one where the actress says she played Nikki as if the real Nikki was pushed to the back of her brain while the fanaticism was controlling her. The real Nikki's personality was still in there and that's what Bear communicates with at some points in the story. It's not like a literal separate entity. I don't really see the point of splitting hairs considering it is basically a possession it's just not like a demon or whatever

>>221041911
Yes (to both questions)

>>221041911
Nah Bear was too much of a bitch to handle freaky nikki. If he would have toned down his wish he probably would have been fine tho

>>221037351
The fact that she was a whore who was secretly fucking his fat friend before the wish is the key to understanding the movie

>>221041911
well since the wish doesn't give you love if you wish for love but does give you money if you wish for that
I'd wish for lots of money and then pay someone to scam nikki out of what little money she has and then she'd need a place to stay and someone to buy her shit and she'd want to fuck me on her own to pay me back because she's kind of a whore
But also I wouldn't do this with Nikki, I don't think she was THAT hot

Why is /tv/ so buttblasted about this movie? Every time i come here there is a thread or 2 with anons crying about it. There is no way this is the behavior of a healthy brain. Also stop pretending that every movie is trying to preach something so you can be offended by it

>>221037391
>my girlfriend
Be gone normalfag

>>221041754
>freaky Nikki isn't like a literal separate entity it's still just Nikki
It's pretty much confirmed to be a separate entity during the scene where real Nikki begs Bear to kill her. That's why she hushes Bear to not wake "her" up.

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>>221041928
>>221041928
>???? why not ???? it serves the story. it's a fictional concept.
once again
then don't argue that it does make sense when someone says it doesn't
because you think "it's just a movie, it doesn't need to make sense"
>if they made that a bigger motif of the movie that'd be fine but we probably didn't need scenes of Nikki wanting to fuck Bear
yeah, I'm sure most zoomers would agree but unfortunately I'm not one, so I see a movie about a magic curse that makes a girl fall in love with a guy and I wonder why sex isn't a bigger plot element
bear is supposed to be a stupid incel loser, so how about when he wishes for the BPD whore to love him, she tries to fuck him constantly but since he's an idiot virgin, he doesn't know what to do and it makes her act more crazy because SHE isn't getting what SHE wants from him, as his obsessive lover
because that would actually make sense
>It's not like a literal separate entity. I don't really see the point of splitting hairs considering it is basically a possession it's just not like a demon or whatever
Nigger, real nikki was on the fucking phone, because her soul was elsewhere, like in hell or whatever
that's not in an interview, that's in the movie

>>221042002
Because anons take it personally when a man is made the bad guy. They cannot detach themselves from the general pool of "Men" so an attack on one of them is also an attack on themself, even if that guy is a piece of shit.

>>221042051
It basically is a separate entity, just not literally. The wish didn't like put a succubus into Nikki it twisted her into Freaky Nikki while the real Nikki was suppressed. It literally does not matter though because you're not exactly wrong by saying it is a separate entity, that's basically what it is it's like a schizophrenic personality taking over. I feel like this should just be seen as ultimately worthless trivia the director added to the movie who cares.

>>221041911
Freaky Nikki would have remained stable if Bear kept the same affection he had when they started dating. The demon/entity can detect Bear's true feelings, that's why it only starts getting ugly when Bear finds out she lied about her dad which made his feelings for her drop a level. It just death spiraled from there, since every coo coo thing she did after further pushed Bear away making her go even more apeshit

>>221042054
>GO BACK TO SLEEP

>>221042118
Sorry, but I would order Nikki to go jump off a fucking bridge if I wasted a wish on a bitch and only got to fuck her 2/3 times before she turns into a lifeless doll
If she's not begging me to fuck her ass or piss on her on night 1, I'll kill myself
the movie doesn't even treat bear like a villain, and neither does anyone who made the movie when they get asked if they he is villain
the movie would be better if he was a villain

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>>221042184
>go back to sleep!

>>221042151
>The wish didn't like put a succubus into Nikki it twisted her into Freaky Nikki while the real Nikki was suppressed.
except freaky nikki gets a stupid demon face and projectile vomits more than humanly possible without dying
not unlike a certain movie about demonic possession, like the most famous one ever made

>>221042051
Not to mention the supernatural strength she has pulverizing Sarah's face

>>221041735
powerful

>>221037537
You are brown
Fuck off to /pol/, shitskin

>>221042106
>because you think "it's just a movie, it doesn't need to make sense"
??? it's a magic wish, how does it not make sense in the confides of this setting. it'd be like saying Freddy Krueger doesn't make sense because how could he possibly have dream powers, some weird arbitrary rule some random anon has

>so I see a movie about a magic curse that makes a girl fall in love with a guy and I wonder why sex isn't a bigger plot element
love is a pretty arbitrary concept, the movie is more focused on the obsessive side of it rather than lust. I don't think your version of the story would have been any better I really loved the bedroom scene where freaky Nikki is hiding in the corner and crying because she thinks she loves him more than he loves her, that's the kind of possessive qualities that made it a good horror. i wouldn't really consider this a complaint just a different path the story could have taken which may have ended up fine but what we got was already very entertaining.

>because her soul was elsewhere, like in hell or whatever
I think her real personality was always inside Nikki, when Bear hears he screaming she's not in hell she's still inside her own body screaming to get autonomy back while she's hijacked by the obsession.

>>221037351
>Anti male propaganda masquerading as a horror movie

>>221042002
Incels need to run to the defense of every slightly morally dubious male character

>>221041735
On one of the streaming sites, there's a foid in the comments that's been crashing out for a full week calling everyone watching the movie sick perverts. She keeps writing shit like "I'm still here you sick fucks, shame on you if you watch this filth". I'll try to get a screenshot

>>221042289
>>221042306
Oh look there's one right here

>>221042282
>??? it's a magic wish
then it should've worked better
>in the confides of this setting
oh
>Freddy Krueger doesn't make sense because how could he possibly have dream powers
You've never even fucking seen any of those movies, I can tell
>love is a pretty arbitrary concept,
no, autistic zoomer
it isn't
>focused on the obsessive side of it rather than lust.
oh, right, I forgot, he wished for nikki to be obsessed with him, right?
>I think her real personality was always inside Nikki, when Bear hears he screaming she's not in hell she's still inside her own body screaming to get autonomy back while she's hijacked by the obsession.
then why did they need a phone?

>>221037351
but she shits herself
i already have a dog and the only difference between her and my dog would be that I don't fuck dogs

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>>221042215
I agree the movie is a bit vague on the 'rules'. She often acts demonically possessed rather than compelled by a wish, but whatever. There are plenty of way worse horror movies made by Blumhouse and the like with bigger budgets and stars.

>>221042340
>but whatever

>>221037611
brootal trvthnvke

>>221042339
They deliberately morphed her face in this scene with makeup, but dudes will still deny it's a demon.

>>221042351
It’s a low budget movie made by a 20-something. I can forgive some minor nitpicks.

>>221042380
that's great
next time just say that instead of
>you're wrong, this movie is not contradictory or contrived

>>221042401
Huh? I was agreeing with you that she acts possessed.

>>221042374
It was just for effect. You're reading too much into it. Also ugly crying is a thing. She was just REALLY upset, like more upset than you can possibly imagine.

>>221042215
When does she throw up that much, I've thrown up way more than that unless I'm forgetting a scene. You're acting like she project vomited a stream of green goo like the Exorcist. She's sick because she's not taking care of herself. The "demon face" was a cute makeup trick to make her look more scary while she was covered in darkness. There's really no point in splitting hairs she was basically possessed, just not by like some other entity from hell she was possessed by obsession

>>221042306
Nobody likes bear due to the fact he's a massive pussy. The feminist reasons you hate him are just NPC tier.

Did the guy really deserve all that shit? With these types of stories you got to question the mysterious magic item shop. In every story the guy running them is always a form of evil creature fucking over mortals for lapses in moral judgment.

>>221042433
>just not by like some other entity from hell she was possessed by obsession
right, because bear wished for her to be obsessed with him, right?

So, we've solved the incel thing or just more bitching from everyone? You're all gay and humans ALWAYS disappoint. Waste of a fucking species, guess you got another century of this real brilliant stuff "geniuses", I'm very impressed by your brainy ape magic.

>>221042450
Well yeah, he literally wishes "I wish Nikki loved me more than anyone else on the fucking planet" how could that wish not result in an obsession, she went from seeing Bear like a little brother to being her entire world

>>221042455
I can see why you ended up on 4chan.

>>221042339
STAAAAAAAAAAAAYYY!!

I liked it. It reminded me of a grown up episode of are you afraid of the dark. I can even imagine him buying the one wish willow from Dr. Vink.

>>221042470
You're a disappoint too. Just like all the rest.

>>221042433
>she was basically possessed, just not by like some other entity from hell she was possessed by obsession
What's your excuse for her ability to obliterate Sarah's skull like it was made soggy paper?

>>221042465
>"I wish Nikki loved me more than anyone else on the fucking planet"
and now we have to once again explain that this is neither an extreme nor weird statement, and many people would say this about someone they love
if nikki started acting like bear's mom and treating him like he was 8, it would've made more more sense than her acting like an unhinged demon that isn't very powerful because regular nikki keeps breaking through

>>221042477
I’ve been rewatching Supernatural and there’s an episode with Ted Raimi where he uses a magical coin to create a real wishing well. He even uses the same phrasing, wishing that a local hot chick would love him more than anything.

>>221042443
Depressed 20-something year old romantic sadboys should not get that kind of power. Bear acted despicable but a lot of men who would grow up to be fine adults probably would have done the exact same as Bear given that opportunity at that vulnerable stage of their life, he more than likely probably would have gotten over Nikki but the wish ruined his life

>>221042493
It's that adrenaline thing. Like mom's being able to lift cars because their child is trapped under it.

>>221042492
Yeah, but you’ve become an annoying stereotype here. Maybe dial it back a bit?

I think He could have made it work with the entity. The entity seemed to be following the rules and trying, it just had zero context or understanding of the human world. I don't think it was being weird or bad on purpose.

>>221042523
No, it's all rotten to the core and we don't even get a gift wrapped utopia at the end. I'm allowed pointless blathering into the void because noone will ever help you and me and we don't get to see anything worthwhile before we die uncathartically in a few mere decades. I resent you and you me, this will never change.

>>221042506
>it would've made more more sense
No it wouldn't, the way Bear phrased it the wish interpreted it as she had an overwhelming love of Bear that supersedes everything else in her life she existed solely for Bear. The movie was very good despite your argument of "The wish should have been nicer to Bear!"

>>221037351
Bear is a socially awkward rapist btw

>>221042518
>Like mom's being able to lift cars because their child is trapped under it.

This is one of those heavily exaggerated things that gets passed around.

>>221039435
Agreed anon, this aligns as well with Nikki's behavior at the very beginning of the wish outside the car, where real Nikki is able to get back control for longer stretches while freaky Nikki adjusts. Real Nikki very quickly loses control and breaks out less and less as the film progresses

>>221042582
well I imagine a scenario where a coked out dilapidated women suddenly going feral and stabbing someone with so much force they break into their chest cavity and tear out their heart, tapping into that kind of energy that sort of thing can and does happen if the human body exerts itself with total reckless abandon

>>221037611
The absolute biggest pieces of trash pretending like they're superior to women is so sad and pathetic. You're not some great empath who figured out women, you're just a fucking loser.

>>221042443
No, it's a generic monkey paw story with some fresh paint. People are making moral judgements on a character using a magical item that he had 0 confidence or ability to know would actually work. Not to mention, the rules of the plot stating the wish can't be undone unless one of them dies. The reactions to this movie are essentially a variation on the breakfast question. If you think the MC had the knowledge the audience has about the willow branch actually being real magic, then you're an NPC. If you realize there's no real villains (other than the store owner either being a demon or person selling destructive magic items knowing what they do), then you have 2 braincells to rub together.

>>221042579
>No it wouldn't, the way Bear phrased it the wish interpreted it as she had an overwhelming love of Bear that supersedes everything else in her life she existed solely for Bear
You must've had a weird mom if this doesn't describe how she felt about you, at least some point in her life
>"The wish should have been nicer to Bear!"
Once, again, no.
There's just no explanation for why she stopped being able to fuck properly.

>>221040580
I think that enough hints were there to underline the central fable/cardinal sin of the film, being Bairs cowardice and inability to simply admit his feelings. If we as an audience were meant to think that there wasn't something there, it'd undermine the whole theme of the movie since his fear would be well placed

>>221042658
i have never seen anyone blame Bear for the wish, almost everyone can relate to having a totally selfish destructive wish. what people blame Bear for is his conduct later in the film where he tells the guy on the phone he doesn't want to break the wish he just wants to change it a bit, aka make freaky nikki less freaky, and then he also snaps at the real Nikki when she tells him to kill her. also during the restaurant scene Bear all but confirms the wish worked but then we cut to the next scene of him fucking her.

there is something you can say about young people in a vulnerable stage of their life should not be given this kind of power, and in that sense Bear could be kind of innocent, but overall fuck Bear. I was never really much of a Bear-type growing up but the friend I was watching the movie with identified with Bear a lot, and he made a pretty honest admission that he wouldn't have acted like Bear during his most vulnerable stages of life.

>>221037635
>221042657
you both are troon ,a mockery of human nature ,ywnbaw

>>221042658
Thinking it's about Bear making the wish isn't the point, that's a red herring. It's about what he does, or rather doesn't do, when he knows what the wish does. He doesn't want to help Nikki, he never actually wants to take his wish back. Even at the end, he doesn't have the courage to properly kill himself, he still wants to live in the fantasy. Any benefit of the doubt he might've been given is lost in the scene where Nikki talks to him in her sleep, he chooses to keep her that way and can't even commit to release after Nikki's killed Sarah and Ian. He tries, but he can't commit.

>>221042688
>You must've had a weird mom if this doesn't describe how she felt about you, at least some point in her life
My mom was a delight, but she was capable of loving herself my dad my sister her whole world didn't revolve around me.

And Nikki did fuck properly at first, and probably during the "honeymoon" montage phase of their romance. There's a lot of different ways you can interpret her passive face during that one sex scene. Another interesting interpretation I thought of is freaky Nikki may have started having doubts Bear loved her as much as she'd hope and that's what she was thinking of, because this is the night where she hides in the corner and cries that it's not muuutuuaal and it's the same day where Bear asks if she lied about her dad. She might have felt some hesitation from Bear or I don't know, you can see where this interpretation is coming from. Or maybe it was the real Nikki considering at other parts of the movie you see the real Nikki subtly slipping out. etc

>>221042803
>My mom was a delight, but she was capable of loving herself my dad my sister her whole world didn't revolve around me.
It's abnormal if your parents weren't generally more concerned about you and your sibling than anything else in their lives
I understand you're a zoomer, but come on, you're being the
>bro loves his son lmao
meme right now
>Another interesting interpretation I thought of is freaky Nikki may have started having doubts Bear loved her as much
Oh, that makes total sense, because after all bear did wish for nikki's body to be inhabited by the spirit of some other girl who was insane and had different standards and beliefs and behaviors than nikki

>>221038072
So they all agree, what's the big deal?

>>221042732
>>221042786
Nah you're too hard on the kid, he's aight. If he lived he could've learned from this and been fine.

Bear was really satisfied with one Reddit post about the one wish willow. Imagine all the /x/ threads about that thing lol

>>221042732
You could argue selfish intent when he has the phone conversation, but the operator then confirms the wish can't be cancelled anyway right after. He then snaps at the operator for hinting that it could be cancelled. Bear also immediately looks for an exit plan after he talks to the real Nikki, and that is clearly the turning point of the movie where Bear wants out of the situation entirely after Nikki drops the "it was never me" bomb (which makes freaky Nikki go full demon mode). The first thing he does is start flirting with Sarah right after that scene and reciprocating the feelings she was showing him, so it's safe to say he wanted out of the Nikki situation

I agree that Bear is an extremely weak person and meant to be very unlikeable both for any male with masculinity watching the film or the women who get the super ick. But most of the freakouts online are moral judgements over his actions around the wish, calling him evil, a rapist, etc... Bear being evil completely defeats the purpose of the wish being untreatable as one of the rules, and would make it a redundant detail.

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>>221042860
>It's abnormal if your parents weren't generally more concerned about you and your sibling than anything else in their lives
She did, but she could still love herself my dad etc Nikki had an overwhelming singular obsession with Bear. That's why the movie is called Obsession. The phrasing of his wish doesn't make this outcome feel forced, ergo you're the only person on this planet with this kind of complaint. Most people hear the wish "I wish Nikki loved me more than anyone else on this fucking planet" and can see how the events of the movie spun out. This is very pedantic and worthless discussion, obviously the sauce of the movie is the women's acting & this will go down as one of the best most engaging horror movies.

>>221042888
Eventually, but he didn't. Even after two of his friends died and the third asked him to kill her, he didn't The only reason he died is because of a very ill-timed wish from freaky Nikki, that's it.

>>221042965
>She did, but she could still love herself my dad
If your mom wouldn't choose you over your dad like in a life or death scenario, she's biologically fucked up, just fyi
with men it's different
>Nikki had an overwhelming singular obsession with Bear. That's why the movie is called Obsession
Right, because after all, the word "obsession" was definitely used in the wish

>>221042959
Bear isn't evil, but it can be argued that when given some power to exert he is amoral, which really isn't much better.

>>221042971
We probably won't agree because his friends were garbage and didn't foster confidence in him in the first place, I didn't mind them dying at all and I'm glad he didn't either lmao.

>>221043038
Ian's a piece of shit, sure. Sarah got along with him just fine.

>>221038676
The demon was going along with it at first but it got more and more frustrated that Bear would not show the same level of love back so it became more and more insane because at some point even it didn't want to be involved anymore but it has no choice

>>221039316
I've been Ian before, and yeah it's a little awkward when a guy finds out you've been fucking his crush on just fuck buddy status. Not saying I feel bad because no one is owed pussy but it is awkward, the chick didn't care though cause that's how fucked up she was.

>>221043022
Probably more accurate to say that he wasn't villionous, since he wasn't acting with the intent to harm. But he was selfish and a coward, and these are evil emotions

>>221042786
>Any benefit of the doubt he might've been given is lost in the scene where Nikki talks to him in her sleep
He falls out of love with her after this scene as proven via possessed Nikki going even more insane. It's clearly shown that freaky Nikki knows what Bear is actually in love with, which is why she keeps fucking with the cat and covers herself in Sarah's tattoos + dress at the end. If he actually still had a crush on Nikki past the restaurant scene, she wouldn't have kept devolving. That's the whole point - Bear never loved Nikki. The possessed version of her is his fantasy of what love is supposed to look like. That's why all the screws come loose when it stops being fulfilling for Bear and he realizes possessed Nikki was lying to him

>>221042959
I feel like Bear did want out of the relationship at that point and he was starting to see a potential future with Sarah, but he was pretty callous to Nikki in that scene. Nikki is desperately begging for him to kill her he could have given her soft affirmations that he will save her console her or whatever, I do interpret his line "What's so wrong with being with me?" as being pretty agitated like he's irrationally snapping at Nikki for suffering and then he leaves her. Maybe after the talk with Sarah he would look at the situation with Nikki more seriously and try to think of some kind of resolution, but Bear is such a weak-willed person he might not have taken a definitive step. I do think without the wish Bear probably would have gotten over Nikki and he'd probably develop into a normal adult, the wish fucked him up and embellished his worst qualities he thought this was his best/only path forward to being with the women he (thought he) loved.

>>221043047
She's awesome to irl swashbucklers like you and me, but if she truly knew Bear well as presented in-universe then she also knew what it would take to get this dude out of his funk the whole damn time. You and I both know his "obsession" for Nikki drops off the face of the earth the second Sarah tells his pansy ass to shut up and mounts him, which is theoretically what she wanted anyway but she didn't hence me not giving a toss about bricking. Simple as.

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So it's okay for women to lust after monsters but not okay for men to simply have women fall in love with them

>>221043083
>>221043102
so what's the equivalent of this for when you wish for money?

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What would your wish be?

I’d wish to be a wizard. I don’t need pussy I just need magic.

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>>221043109
>woman engages with art and just thinks about rape

>>221043069
You're not Ian unless you deliberately hid the fact you were smashing a girl from your buddy while fucking with him by trying to hook him up with your used goods, which was diabolical as fuck from Ian. No harm or foul if you just let him know.

I'd wish to become a vampire just to see how this dumbass willow struggles to cope

>>221043132
do you think Ian was genuinely helping Bear try to hook up with Nikki, it almost seemed like he was trying to sabotage them with advice like call her freaky Nikki and interrupting their chat at the bar

>>221043069
Eventual happy ending for that guy? Or did he rope?

>>221041981
This is the post
/thread
>But also I wouldn't do this with Nikki, I don't think she was THAT hot
But this especially

>>221039316
I thought the movie was very good for what it was, but yes it’s a work of demoralization like 90% of our art nowadays. There’s hardly any movies being made that actually promote love and fertility. All we’re being exposed to is how relationships are fucked up, men are cruel and women are abused. Even movies that supposedly promote optimism nowadays like Everything Everywhere All at Once are demoralizing nonsense about embracing mediocrity. I can’t even remember the last time I saw a new movie with genuinely positive message

>>221043160
No he was playing with bear the whole time and tries even harder to sabotage them once they actually start dating. It's yet another "careful what you wish for" theme in the film, just like Nikki wanted someone to love her so she could finish her book.

Evil is a personality. Vile is a personality. The modern woman expresses no personality, and that's why we like evil women.

>>221043131
Okay but he did rape her. Why would they include scenes of Nikki weeping and wanting to escape from her own body unless she wasn’t actually in control of it

>>221043213
Movies have been blackpilling since the early 90s and ramped up in the early 2000s with the romcom surge. But yeah, they take an even more aggressively demoralizing approach now. It went from
>haha my quirky chungus fucked 278 guys but I can fix her xD
>I'm in the friend zone but she'll love me soon :Ddd
To
>all men secretly want to rape you (message for the girls)
>your crush hates you. She's also fucking your best buddy. (For the lads)

>>221043213
maybe I just don't watch enough movies but most movies I watch that aren't a horror end on some kind of hopeful note. and utterly bizarre interpreting Everything Everywhere All at Once like that, what more would you want from a positive feelsgood movie? is it really embracing mediocrity? everyone you know does taxes and laundry, but it isn't so bad with the right company; pure happyslop

>>221042025
Sorry, I forgot this was an lgbt board and only gay sex is allowed

>>221043102
It's never talked about in the discourse over the film but Bear feels completely along when making the wish. His grandmother died so he has no family, his cat died, Sarah may be moving away to art school, and Nikki is quitting the job she has with him, he feels completely alone.

>>221043416
If freaky Nikki and real Nikki had sex would that be masturbation?

>>221039316
>the chick who plays Nikki is 4'11"
>tfw no midget mystery meat gf

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>>221043213
>There’s hardly any movies being made that actually promote love and fertility.
that's like half of this year's best picture nominations alone in some shape or form. certainly not demoralizing like - you know, a horror movie

>>221043715
which half? because no

>>221043770
Marty Supreme literally ends with him cherishing his newborn child. Hamnet cathartically grieving the loss of theirs and rekindling their marital bond through the theater performance, One Battle is all about a father who loves his daughter and bettering the future. Frankenstein is about forgiving your father for his sins and embracing love not hate and so is Sentimental Value. Secret I didn't watch Train Dreams or F1. Sinners and Bugonia I can grant you

>>221043806
Secret* Agent is about a scientist being hunted down under a dictatorship and trying to escape with his child. it ends badly with the kid grown up and receiving audio tapes uncovered by a student researcher chronicling his father's saga and he has to decide if he wants to remember or forget his/the countries' past - but it's supposed to be a gritty historical drama.

I was going to leave that out

>>221043806
>One Battle is all about a father who loves his daughter and bettering the future.
Sorry, but no, that's the worst example.
The pregnant woman firing an automatic rifle is anti-natalist propaganda. A mother would either kill her baby or make it retarded by doing that.

>>221044055
I thought we were having a serious discussion, nevermind.

>>221044071
You don't think babies born with shaken baby syndrome is serious?
Look up how it happens, retard.
Any piece of media depicting an 8+ months pregnant woman doing basically anything is dangerous.

>>221044055
she is not portrayed as a good mother. Did you watch the movie?

>>221044206
no, I didn't watch a movie where one of the main images used to advertise it was anti-natalist propaganda
I also didn't play that wolfenstein sequel where they did the same thing

>>221041832
If you're ugly (sub 8/10) you are automatically grouped into the "rapist" category in most women's eyes. Sorry, better luck in the next life

>>221039316
>What're we doing here?
I'm jewin it for my torah

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>>221044256
Starting to think this fella might not actually be sorry....

>>221043213
>I can’t even remember the last time I saw a new movie with genuinely positive message
That would have beeen
Probably Mad Max Fury Road
Unfortunately the good message was watered down (pun intented) by the bad message and iron fist ruling being necessary in that particular post apocalyptic setting

>>221037351
>t.never had an obsessive bitch make your life hell

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>>221037351
I'm not going to watch the FOTM goyslop or talk about it.
Could you incels post more of the main actress? That's what /tv/ is about. Thank you in advance.

>>221037351
she wasn't bad. he was. zero demoralization detected.
low T though. should have chosen sarah.

>>221044540
Real Nikki is fine, but entity-nikki is pretty bad. The guy is also bad though.

>>221043173
Yeah, he got married (bitch is ugly to me personally) and I'm still single so in the long run he's doing better on paper, no hate. He deserves it.

>>221041735
>>221041832
This movie fucking sicks, clear foid propaganda perpatuated by hollywood for the sake of furthing the gender division that already exists.
This movie is literally about a incel that just wants a loving girlfriend. You fucking millenial beard fags were all giving me shit for it. This is exactly how zoomettes think, they few whatever this train wreck of a film is as being of there anti-male views. Literally anything but Chad is rape to them, Bear is a LTN, to in a roasties eyes he's a fucking subhuman.

>>221043132
Yeah I didn't go that far. We were just fucking, he liked her but I really didn't say shit and then years later I let it slipped while I was drunk that she and I had fucked atleast 5 or 6 times and my other friends told me he kinda had a look when I said it. If I wasn't drunk I probably still wouldn't of spilled the beans.

>>221044557
myself i can't fault it for doing what it was programmed to do

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>>221044611
you are millenial faggot, if you like this movie

I would be okay with either Nikki. However it's not good that one would have to suffer for the other one to be around.

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>>221044784

>>221045051
Cross Me Fool

>>221038676
What if Bear ended up falling in love with the demon.

>>221041911
I don't think so. Relationships naturally cool a bit over time and they wouldn't have been able to sustain the honeymoon period forever. It's just he would have dropped to that slower,more romantic type of love and she would have stayed in the manic, passionate highs of the beginning, so the mismatch would have eventually spiraled like it did in the movie. I think it just would have taken longer.

>>221045136
That's what I'm saying. Like, if the demon did weird shit, and instead of just being weirded out and wanting to gtfo if he was accepting of if, presumably it would be less upset.
It probably would have been less jealous and not killed Sarah if he wasn't so obviously trying to get away from the demon nikki.

You know, I think freaky nikki was actually pretty chill. She obviously hasn't seen Audition or she'd be making bear eat exclusively foot that she's thrown up, and keeping him in a sack, etc.

>>221044396
Kill yourself boomer no one cares about your star wars garbage

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>>221037351
The fuck is wrong with you, this woman pissed and vomited on herself while you were away for work. Made a complete mess of the entire house due to mental insanity and taped the door shut and killed a woman you showed the slightest bit of genuine affection for. In what world would this be a nice gf to have, OP. Please give me an honest answer.

Hell, one of the earlier scenes where she laid your beloved dead cat in the kitchen to 'somehow' show her dedication to you would have been enough realize some really weird shit was up, why did the protagonist put up with that shit alone. Just because she has a hole to stuff your dick into doesn't excuse all these things.

pic related was really cute though, so somewhere I do get it

>be bear
>accidentally cast a love spell
>try to fix it but fail
>rope yourself to save the chick
>did everything right
>still considered an evil incel rapist by foids

blackpilling discourse

>>221037351
>Having a gf
>Bad
Correct.