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Welp Kefla has been confirmed for Xenoverse 2 and I figured that's a good excuse as any to start a thread.

News is still fresh but there's already salt and out right denial. Love it. I hope there's competitive players who plan to main her. I'd love to see Kefla take her haters down a peg.
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>>2663070
I just love dem abs.
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>>2663074
<<I probably should put this in here too while I'm at it.
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>>2663076
I would rather have Kale and Caulifla separately.
And why Xenoverse 2, isn't that game old enough?
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>>2663079
They announced renewed support at E3 I believe although I could be wrong. Probably wanna cash in on a bunch of missed opportunities

As for the separate bit. I feel you but Caulifla doesn't have much going on for her on her own then again you could say the same for most of the Earthlings I suppose.

Either way I'm glad were getting something especially since I've greatly enjoyed Xenoverse and still play it regularly. Also lapping up all that salt is so good.
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Also don't get much gayer than fusion. Especially fused dykes.
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>>2663084
Alright last one for now. How are best girls doing in the manga by the by? Last I saw Kale was manhandling Frieza?
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>WOMAN
What did they mean by this?
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>>2663085
They fused into Kefla and are the last remaining fighter from U6. Three universes got erased as a result of Kale's rampage, so it's just U7, U11 and U6 now.
https://dragonballsuper-france.fr/dragon-ball-super-chapitre-38/
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>>2663653
So Kale is stronger in the manga? Presumably Kefla is as well? Also did they realize they’re undying love for each other yet or at least approach the level of closeness they had in the anime?

>>2663613
Possibly just to rub the salt back into the wounds of her haters. That yes a woman is that powerful. Why do I look at YouTube comments? I must be a masochist.
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>>2663653
They need stuck together to fusion.
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>>2663682
Love everything about these.
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>>2663653
>Three universes got erased as a result of Kale's rampage

That's hot. I'm legit jealous of Caulifla for having such a powerful (if emotionally unstable and possibly omnicidal) girlfriend.
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>>2663653
Holy shit, manga Kale is fucking brutal. I wish she had been like that in the anime to make the tournament 20 episodes shorter.
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>>2663664
>So Kale is stronger in the manga?
It seems so, just her aura was enough to send most fighters off the arena. But it seems Kale and Caulifla are not nearly as gay as they were in the anime, which is a shame.

>>2663664
>Possibly just to rub the salt back into the wounds of her haters. That yes a woman is that powerful. Why do I look at YouTube comments? I must be a masochist.
Her haters mostly complain about her power being undeserved (despite Broly's power being even more undeserved and unexplained). Of course you should know that most DB fans are 12, even the ones that are older than 12. They also whine about how female saiyans are "SJW pandering", despite being from fucking Japan.
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>>2664143
>Her haters mostly complain about her power being undeserved
You know whose power is underserved?
Fucking Android 17. You can't just go from Imperfect Cell fodder to goddamn God of Destruction tier winning the tournament of power without an iota of an explanation.

God damn that still pisses me off.
But 17 is not a women so almost nobody complains
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>>2664152
That was just the anime director shilling him because he's his husbando or something. Everyone could see how obvious the favoritism was.
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>>2663076
I think the end of the month will be Kefla’s debut. I hope Kale and Caulifla’s outfits are also but in the game. I know we’re getting Kefla’s hair as a wig and UI Goku’s hair as a wig too.
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>>2664175
toriyama chose the winner though

>>2664152
the manga kinda explains it. the cell jr's regened and 17 tamed them and spars against them.

but back to the lesbians, I am sad they aren't as gay in the manga, but you do have kale actually being able to fight but hiding it so she doesnt overshadow caulifla which is still kinda gay
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>>2665412
Different anon but for the first bit I don’t really care about why certain characters are so strong anymore I just want cool fights and I got them and lesbians so yay. Hell I like Super’s take on 17 barrier warriors are awesome( and his Rough Ranger is one of the best counters in Xenoverse 2).

I’m just not a fan of certain portions of the fandoms blatant hypocrisy.

As for the second bit well the manga is more or less a different continuity. Still the explanation doesn’t really matter to me.
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>>2665412
>the manga kinda explains it. the cell jr's regened and 17 tamed them and spars against them.
The manga never said anything like that
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>>2665412
>I am sad they aren't as gay in the manga.
Yeah, they seem to be focused on blasting through the tournament as fast as possible.
Kale didn't even get to control her power.
I hope we get some dialogue between them before they're erased
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The bonus chapter from Jump Victory Carnival did. 17 tamed 7 Cell Jrs that he found on his island. He considers that they might be "fakes" although I have no fucking idea how you'd get a fake Cell Jr.

>>2665595
>Yeah, they seem to be focused on blasting through the tournament as fast as possible.
Toyotaro can't write decent characters to save his life so I'm not surprised. He's probably dying to get through it so he can write the Broly story.
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>>2667094
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>>2669982
Be back with another dump eventually. Have them scouters primed!
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>>2669983
>scouters
Where do you think we are? Namek?
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>>2670192
Anon we’re still there we’ve always been there King Yemma assigned it to us when we went to HFIL.
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>>2669980

Is Kale an imouto on the streets, oneesan in the sheets kind of girl?
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>>2670524
After the Tournament of Power hell yes!
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That's what she uses her LLSSJ form for.
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>>2670599
I love how absolutely wild Caulifla and their sex looks here. Like it’d be dangerous to be anywhere near them while they get it on.
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>>2670620
Sounds like standard saiyan romance then.
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>>2670620
>dying from the ki aura emanated by lesbian sex
Worth it.
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>>2671283
The love is BUILDING! OVERFLOWING!
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>>2673639
I know things slowed down with the end of Super and not everyone is into Xenoverse and hyped for Kefla's debut but damn I'll never forget how we had legit cause for a yuri thread about Dragon Ball. I mean you don't need a reason for yuri but damn it was down right magical to me.
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>>2673636
>tail fur isn't gold
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>>2673642
We live in the age of yuri. Not even DB is safe.

>>2673644
Have we ever seen a Super Saiyan with a tail? Not counting SS4 naturally.
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>>2673653
>Have we ever seen a Super Saiyan with a tail?
the only one that i remember is Bardock in the extended canon, and no, his tail doesn't turn yellow (for those that don't remember, saiyajins that worked for freeza used their tail as a belt)
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>>2673657
>>2673653
Small Goku had a gold tail while Super Saiyan in GT.
It's hair, why wouldn't it be gold?
I'm sure Caulifla's public hair becomes gold too
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>>2673662
because body hair is different from headhair. If you look at ssj4, the bodyhair is red(including the tail) while the headhair is still black.

so now there are two different canons for whether the tails become golden.
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They probably won’t do it but what if there’s a villainous/super villain mode Kefla? Damn she’d be tough.
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>>2674857
In the manga at least Kefla is supposedly as strong as Jiren. But I don't think we'll see much of them considering the retarded idea of bringing Broly into the main canon.
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>>2675022
Do you people would like Broly more if he looked like this?
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>>2675196
At that rate, it would just be alternate universe Kale.
Just like actual Broly.
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>>2675196
He would still be a retarded non-character who only exists for the sake of powerlevels, only with sex appeal so fanboys have another reason to jizz about him/her. At least Kale has personality and is likeable.
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>>2675022
Eh who knows?
Broly could also be one and done.
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>>2675246
I serioulsy doubt they'd make him canon without milking for all he's worth.
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>>2675022
Mixed feelings at the very least I hope it’s entertaining and they mention the U6 Saiyans at least.

I also hope that one day Amazon sells a non chibi version of Kale, Caulifla or Kefla that doesn’t cost something ridiculous. Like a standard action figure I mean Cabba and Jiren have them already geez.

>>2675197
Cute.
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how do I find more kale axilla?
pixiv, booru and deviant art are all dry
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>>2675249
He's not really the same "Kakarot cried so I hate him" retard as in the other movies so who knows?
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>>2680169
>rubbing face on pussy
I've wanted stuff like this since forever. Hair is a nice touch too.
Also Blue Caulifla needs to happen. By this point the franchise is centered entirely around fanservice, so it wouldn't be much ask for, specially with a Blue Kale and a Blue Kefla too.
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>>2680250
I’d welcome the U6 girls going blue just for the shit storm that would occur.
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>>2680459
I admit, reading the normalfags' salty reactions to Caulifla and Kale was one of the best parts of DBS for me, specially the obviously underage edgy kids'.
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>>2680544
are you sure they were kids? Because i don't think the younger generation even cares about dragon ball.

I still remember i tried to be the devil's advocate and made the argument that it wasn't sexism but rather the fact that these things all happen in canon is what caused the problem and other reasons. But every week the fandom was able to prove me wrong so hard. It was the first time i ever said i experienced sexism.
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>>2680579
I'm sure there's plenty of kids these days who got into DB by their parents. But even the older fans act like they're 13 when it comes to it.
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>>2680544
>>2680579
>>2680654
Honestly I have been wondering lately what it would have been like if the U6 girls debuted a few years ago? Would there be this amount of sexist garbage would there be a more nuanced discussion like the occasional thread on Reddit (surprisingly I’ve seen more mature discussions on reddit, gamfaqs and such than YouTube, wait never mind Youtube is pretty bad a lot of the time so not a huge hurdle to leap) and /u/?
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>>2680692
If they'd been introduced way back in the 90s everyone would praise them.
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>>2680737
I think this is correct. If they had been part of the series since the early days there wouldn't be so many people whining about girls in their boys-only treehouse. There would have also been a lot more yuri content I bet.

>>2680692
Is this an edit of something? Seems familiar.
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>>2680983
If they were male characters, no one would say anything. Cabba is guilty of basically everything they are, but you never see anyone giving him shit. Same with Goten and Trunks way back then, and they even went to SS3 almost instantly, but I don't remember them ever getting shit like what the girls have gotten.

People just can't stand that two girls are able to do what the male characters had to "work" for, even though every power-up that came after Gohan's SS2 was either achieved off-screen (SS2 for Vegeta and Goku, SS3 for Goku and Gotenks) or granted via plot devices (Majin Vegeta, Ultimate Gohan, Potara/Fusion Dance, SSG, SSB).

Like, most of this fandom loved every second of UI Goku, even though he both unlocked and mastered a new power in less than 30 minutes when a million year old god like Beerus can't even do it right. Why is it such a problem that the girls can have old, outdated power-ups?
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>>2681137
Actually UI Goku was also pretty criticized, because as you said, he mastered something not even the gods could for absolutely no reason other than being the MC.
As for Caulifla and Kale, most people complain about the "back tingle" explanation given to the SSJ transformation, even though by this point most things about SSJ have been retconned over and over, and several were just fanon or headcanons, (and curiously Cabba is usually ignored when talking about this).
I think it would have been preferable for Caulifla and Kale to have been introduced already able to go SSJ (with Cabba being none the wiser). This would have implied they learned to do it in some past adventure, shutting down complaints and also giving them a bit more depth, specially if Caulifla understands how dangerous Kale can be and gave her a power limiter tiara a la Broly.
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>>2681186
I think you got the right idea except for the Kale bit. Instead what if the U6 Saiyans as a whole just discovered the Super Saiyan transformation but Kale was the only one who hadn’t transformed yet?

Keeps Kale’s dramatic reveal, character arc, and well I don’t think Caulifla would try to forcefully limit Kale like Paragus. Ideally we’d want to maintain the opposite relationship bit of Caulifla and Kale caring and supporting each other as much as possible compared to Paragus using Broly.

With this set up we can also have as I said Kale’s character growth, Kale and Caulifla continued deepening relationship, and have the U7 Saiyans introduce the U6 Saiyans to the other Super Saiyan transformations. Even keeping the impromptu teacher student stuff between Vegeta and Cabba and Goku and Caulifla and Kale.

And since we’re on the hypothetical train just come out and say Kale and Caulifla are in a relationship like those Universe 2 girls, I mean current year argument and such.
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Saiyans without pubic hair aren't real saiyans
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>>2681199
>And since we’re on the hypothetical train just come out and say Kale and Caulifla are in a relationship like those Universe 2 girls, I mean current year argument and such.
I'm genuinely amazed at how gay those two were, someone at Toei must be a yuri fan for a scene like that to happen. But they probably only got away with it because they were minor characters. Making Caulifla and Kale explicitely gay would be trickier, and I've seen people claiming than them even being hinted to be gay is "sjw pandering" and such.
That said, I would have loved for a scene in which the two pairs interact, like Vikal and Kakunsa commenting that their love is the same, and Kale being embarassed while Caulifla is too dense to really understand.
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>>2681240
>That said, I would have loved for a scene in which the two pairs interact
that's what fanartist are for

>while Caulifla is too dense to really understand.
to me she seems the type who seems naive, but actually knows everything that is going on. When Kale first went berserk, Caulifla calmed her down by telling her that there is no way she would fall for a guy like Cabba. Meaning, she clearly knows Kale wants her.
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Chapter out soon. Let's see how they fair in the manga.
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>>2686564
She’s up against Gohan right? I see Kefla bearing him at least.
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>>2686591
>>2686564
Likes like U6 is out this chapter
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>>2687130
How?! There’s no way Gohan was a match for a fusion it took the partial Ultra Instinct to take her down in the anime.
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>>2687141
Sadly seeing the mamga pages he was, it turned out fused Kefla was weaker than base Gohan form.
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>>2687198
What a buncha shit.
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>>2681137
>If they were male characters, no one would say anything.

in reality this is not an exaggeration, I know a person who does not consider women to be good protagonists, and even says that he does not watch Nanoha or precure, because the Anime has female protagonists, but instead glorifies a failed franchise.
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>>2687141
Double knockout. I have a feeling Kale being unconscious could be a reason why Kefla isn't as strong as her anime counterpart.
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>>2687230
That and Kale and Caulifla aren’t as gay for each other Kale and Caulifla’s overwhelming pure love for each other as well as a little more experience could make Kefla more than a match for even a master Ultra Instinct.

Also what was Kale unconscious when they fused?
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>>2687250
Pride troopers knocked her unconscious and out of the ring. The only way to save her was fusing.
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>>2687198
I think the manga remembered that Gohan doesn't need to transform because of his Mystic Power-up. But I think him taking on Kefla all by himself is mostly a compensation for his treatment in the past sagas.

>>2687207
Sounds like the kind of person who hates movies like Fury Road just because they have a female MC, stuck in a "girls have cooties" mindset..
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>>2687207
He misses out on some good shows, yuri or not, because of that.
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>>2687425
>stuck in a "girls have cooties" mindset..
Seeing what Bleach, Naruto, SnK, and even DBS manga did with "strong" female characters in them, such mindset must be a prime motivator for shounen authors.
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>>2688223
I’d hesitate to put DBS in the same list Naruto as it’s acknowledged that the U6 Saiyans still have loads of potential and considering how powerful they are already there’s no telling how powerful they can get.

Contrast Kaguya from Naruto being a literal unkillable goddess spending her entire panel time being countered at every turn. A surprise hit from Sakura doesn’t lessen the fact that no one ever considered Sakura as having any real worth in the final battle compared to characters that can alter space/time.

Kefla may have been beaten but she was only LSSJ 2 and it took a partial Ultra Instinct. Would love to see the girls go to three or beyond.
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>>2688233
At least there's fanfiction resolving Sakura being weak that is also /u/ friendly.
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>>2688223
You have to remember the audience for these are mostly young boys who want to see guys being awesome as a sort of vicarious wish fulfillment. Girls are at best objects to be desired, and at worst are actual cootie-bearers, so of course girls can't be awesome, at least not on the same tier as the awesome guys.

At least, that's what Shounen Jump's editing team believes its audience is, which in turn restrains most popular shounen series--even ones not produced by Jump, sunce Jump is just that big.
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Toyotaro's portrayal of Caulifla, Kale and Kefla was pure ass. He stripped out all of Caulifla's interesting and sympathetic traits and had her just get slapped around for most of her page time, Kale got to be strong for a second before getting undercut and what happened to Kefla was a fucking travesty.
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>>2687425
>>2687439
It's sad that these people exist, but they're the kind that complains about the things they do not see, you have to keep in mind that many people really think that way, that's why most crossover ideas come from the West, they are shit

>>2688556
You can actually see Boku Hero Academia as an example of the target audience's thinking, it has good female characters, but in the end the boys only feel lust for them and nothing else.

>>2689469
Once again, how is the manga better?
it seems that Manga is only praised for having the wrong vision that the idiotic fanboys have had all these years, the same people that glorify Multiverse.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idNLvVUGm8Y&t=10s

Here's Kefla's English voice. One of the voices sounds a lot like Kara Edwards but she says it's not her.
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So I turned on Xenoverse 2 got the update and I heard Kale and Caulifla talking on the new Conton City Radio Show about how they’re going to get stronger than Goku. Apparently they’re using the anime personalities as Caulifla was very encouraging to Kale.
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>>2694927
https://twitter.com/MegaBang_/status/1034338925865783296
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Caulifla and Kale have another radio bit where they argue about the best Super Saiyan color; blue or pink?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7OYsGW3qrc
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>>2694962
Yeah I got that it was actually kinda cute it felt like Caulifla didn’t want to hurt Kale’s feelings by disagreeing with her.

Now if only rng will give me Kefla’s skills I’ve been trying to get them to drop for an hour.
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>>2698002
Unfortunately I think I posted the majority of my folder I can see if there’s anything I missed.

Unrelated I love how there’s a mission in Xenoverse 2 that allows Kefla to get revenge on UI Goku and due to game mechanics Kefla is more than a match for him. Just gotta keep her health above 50% to get to him and then keep Beerus and Champa off her. Super souls that heal once a mission help, thankfully the only real threats to Kefla are getting ganked and Vegito Blue.
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I don't suppose you could make a mega?
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>>2689469
>Caulifla
>sympathetic traits
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>>2704243
Caring for others is a sympathetic trait. Namely Caulifla’s constant encouragement and protectiveness of Kale, her playful antagonism towards the namakians when they lose as well as her ability to quickly form some level of a bond with her teammates quickly, such as Hit.
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New High Grade Real Figures!!!
https://twitter.com/gashaponanimebu/status/1041120917848436736
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>>2708514
Yeah but they don’t come out until February and both are at least on eBay nearly a hundred dollars each. I love these two but I’m not spending nearly two hundred dollars excluding shipping and taxes.
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>>2708527
Especially not for figures that small
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>>2712229
What I want is some decent affordable figures of Caulifla and Kale that are ideally forty dollars at most available on either ebay or Amazon and aren’t the “build your own figure” nonsense that requires you to spend money on figures you don’t want just to get all the pieces that come with them to make Kale!

That’s a thing. Not just with modern Dragon Ball figures DC and Marvel pull that shit too.

I just want some decent affordable figures of Kale, Caulifla and let’s throw 21 in there too. Hell they made a figure of the default Xenoverse 1 cac(and no others). I mean really did they think no one would want a female Majin figure? Or the default female Saiyan?

Sorry for the rant it just butters my biscuit in the worst way.
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>>2712234
They are making an SH Figuarts of Android 21. For Kale and Caulifla, your best bets are the WCF line.
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>>2715662
You mean those super deformed chibi ones? That sucks so much.

At least we’re getting 21 hopefully she won’t be overpriced as fuck.

Unrelated thank fuck for Kefla’s Gigantic Burst that attack finally let me clear the final expert mission Harbingers of Doom with eight seconds to spare.
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>>2689469
Even Gohan got a raw deal on that one. What should've been both of their big moments all got squandered off-panel. Given how the manga handled the Future Trunks arc, I don't have much hope the rest of the tournament won't be Goku Time 2.0 again
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Just got back from seeing the My Hero Academia movie, and before it they had a PV for the Dragon Ball Super Broly movie. It didn't show any Kefla, Kale, or Caulifla but there still may be a possibility they could show up to make a cameo appearance in the movie, and maybe fight Broly. (It would probably be the most fitting if after Broly eventually looses to the Berus universe Fighters (in a post credits scene) if he tries to escape to another universe where he encounters Kefla, and she quickly kicks his ass showing she's evolved and got stronger.

On a side note I was in a Hot Topic store today, and saw a Kefla shirt.
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>>2716129
>i was in a hot topic store today
Good goddess of yuri, why?
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>>2716182
Not that anon, but Hot Topic is the only place where I can get my metal band tee shirts and weeb snacks physically, so it's more of a necessary evil.
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>>2716129
I doubt that’ll happen by all accounts the original writer for Broly is the professional equivalent of one of those Mary Sue fanfic writers. So the idea of fem Broly beating male Kale would probably upset him too much.

I know the new Broly has a new writer but still.
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>>2716334
the new Broly seems also a better character, Dragon Ball Abridged attended the problems of the character, but his fangirls refuse to accept those problems, did the creator of Broly not complain that Berus was a better character than his Broly?

Realistically, I do not expect any appearance, maybe a cameo, but I do not expect them to get involved, they do not have to forget who the protagonists are and that Broly is a problem of this universe.
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>>2716347
No, he complained that Beerus wasn't as scary or as Broly and that he shouldn't be stronger
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>>2718038
Broly was retarded in the old movies. He blew up a galaxy for fuck's sake.
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>>2718038
Dragon Ball Multiverse took that "Broly" is the strongest and all that stupid philosophy of "power levels" of the fanboys... it had potential, but it became a shadow of its initial promise.

Can you imagine Caulifla and Kale written by that thought? luckily that will never happen...
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>>2718048
...It's not that outlandish. Frieza was capable of destroying a planet in his weakest form without barely even trying. Broly was so much stronger then him that it wasn't even funny.

I always harbored the theory that he did it by doing the whole "spam a whole bunch of ki blasts" thing, except that every one of them was capable of destroying a planet. They all just arrived at their destination at about the same time from the heroes perspective.
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>>2718038
So he got mad than an actual character made by Toriyama is better than his Donut Steel. I'll take Beerus' simplistic design over not!Trunks muscle mountain.

>>2718072
Still stretches suspension of disbelief, even for this series, considering how large a galaxy is. Sounds like childish Gary Stu writing.
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>>2718048
Yes but he had Pantera as his theme, so that's why everyone tolerated him.




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I haven't played Xenoverse 2 in a long time. (Have it for the Nintendo Switch). Is Kefla a free download. Do I need to do something in the game to acquire her?
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Gotta pay for Kefla.
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>>2718323
She’s paid dlc in a pack along Super Baby 2 five parallel quests both characters skill sets and two outfits as well as UI Goku’s wig.

I’d recommend it because one parallel quest lets you help Kefla get revenge on UI Goku and due to game mechanics she’s technically stronger. UI Goku has no health outside of two separate missions where his health is buffed to ridiculous levels.

And I’d recommend it on a personal level because Kefla’s ultimate Gigantic Burst allowed me to complete the hardest parallel quest; The Final Battle Before the Final Battle and the hardest expert mission; Harbingers of Doom.

As long as the initial red lightning hits the enemy the twin beams of Gigantic Burst are guaranteed to hit as well. On top of that you can transition right into Gigantic Burst from Ray Blast(the red lightning without the giant beams).
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>>2718220
>I'll take Beerus' simplistic design over not!Trunks muscle mountain.

not only simplistic design, also personality, Broly basically at the end did not have any real personality, in its second appearance things are not better.
Even some of the BDZfanboys are angry not only with strong women, but with the angels and gods that are not Saiyan or have designs like Broly.
Although an even more exaggerated Saiyan was introduced, it has a real personality and is frankly better than original Broly.

>Sounds like childish Gary Stu writing.
What do you think the DB fanboys fandom is made of? Other series have shown greater achievements in power and they simply ignore it.
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>>2680579
Also, the U2 girls were among the most entertaining characters introduced in the tournament and I swear it caused me physical pain whenever I read fanboy comments berating them for being too feminine or being powered by love.
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That reminds me I recently went to gain all the DUAL ultimate attacks for characters in Xenoverse 2 which requires fully befriending them and while Pan’s attacks suck she does express an interest in fusing with The Future Warrior but she’s a bit scared so she instead ops to combine attacks.

Still an interesting prospect especially since my main is a Saiyan girl. One day I’d like to try my hand at a drawing of their fusion.
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I seem to remember that GineXSeripa was some sort of popular ship before Kale and Caulifla appeared. Does anyone have some pics of them?
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>>2731959
Here they are.
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Nice. I also seem to remember there were a few pics where Bardock was jealous of them but I can't find them.
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Kale and Caulifla are great, but is there any good content for Vikal and Kakunsa out there? They were pretty explicit.
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>>2735946
Only pic I know of them.
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>>2731832
I love my man Gohan, but I'm going to need an AU story where he dies permanently and Pan and Videl end up with a relationship like this now.
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>>2739344
Gohan dying permanently is the least believable part of that fantasy by miles.
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>>2739372
>pan gets transported to future trunks time
>gohan ded
>meets videl
>???
>profit
If you want to make the most of it have it set to the time cell kills trunks. no androids no cell and no gohan and trunks.
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>>2739399
Didn't Super erase that timeline?
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>>2739402
That was Future Trunks timeline, which got erased and then sorta remade the Cell we know came from a timeline where Trunks already defeated the androids so he absorbed that Trunks and used his time machine. There are at least three different universe 7 timelines in canon.

In the Xenoverse series there are more as they consider the movies alternate timelines with the exception of the Dragon Ball Super adapated stuff like Battle of Gods, Resurrection F and presumably Broly.
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>>2739344
>anyone in DB
>dying permanently
Good one. Death isn't needed when you can have a divorce or just keep it secret from him.

>>2739402
Super also claimed that Goku never kissed Chichi, and that Potara fusion was always temporary for non-gods. I wouldn't really count it as "hard" canon.
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>>2739436
Oh, I ignore all post-Z continuity as a rule (except kinda-sorta Xenoverse because my Majin FemC is adorable), but I was just bringing up what I thought I remembered reading somewhere.
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>>2739459
Dragon Ball has never been Shakespeare but I think Super gets a bad and undeserved rep.

I mean GT had a lot of great ideas but poor execution. Super could have benefited from knowing where to focus like less time on the recruitment episodes and more time with the U6 Saiyans. Mostly to allow more room for character development and character exploration.

Still I’ll forever say Super is better than GT.
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>>2739482
>Still I’ll forever say Super is better than GT
That's a really, really low bar, though.
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>>2739482
GT has better soundtrack though.
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>>2739488
If I had a nickel I’d have quite a few nickels.

>>2739489
It’s been years but better than the Ultra Instinct theme?
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>>2739492
Yes. Dan dan Kokoro and it’s orchestral remixes>ultra instinct theme. Every damn time.
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I like GT better because at least it ended conclusively, while Super more or less says it's only the first of several more sequels. Both of them are unnecessary cashgrabs, but GT feels like it has a lot more soul into it.
Super also has bigger blunders, like the unnecesary movie arcs and the non-character that is Jiren. Regardless I really like several things introduced in Super, like all the lore about the multiverse and the gods. Zamasu and Black are very good villains, all things considered.
And of course can't forget to mention our favourite saiyan dykes.
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>GT feels like it has a lot more soul
Watching GT was what made me realize that DBZ had a soul, because it was what GT lacked. Now you're saying there's an iteration with even less soul than GT? Is... is that even possible?

I'm scared, hold me.
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>>2739615
Well yeah, Super is much more fanfic-y than GT. The new movie even introduced Broly into canon, which for me is the tipping point from which I can no longer take it seriously.
It's just a Toei cashgrab in the same vein as Sailor Moon Crystal and Digimon Tri.
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>>2739627
To be fair it's a Toriyama written version of Broly
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>>2739627
> Super is much more fanfic-y than GT.
Have you read Dragon Ball Multiverse?, is a fanfic fanservice and Super is the complete opposite of that.

GT was canceled halfway and that should say a lot about the bad reception, very few aspects are remembered and come on, I was trying to be a copy of Dragon Ball with that little Goku nonsense, but it was much worse Z aspect that was quite annoying to disable most characters, Super gives them some prominence.
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Both Dragon Ball GT and Super are basically fanfiction but at least GT tried to do more interesting things with it.

Dragon Ball Multiverse is not official, is pure fanfiction and yet is still much, MUCH better than Super.
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>GT tried to do more interesting
>Multiverse is still much, MUCH better than Super.
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>>2739654
Girls, girls, stop fighting! Your shows are both unwatchable crap.

Now how about a little makeup sex for the audience, huh?
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>>2739654
Super is at least based on Toriyama's notes. GT not so much.
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>>2739669
This ain’t fighting this is actually reasonable discussion.

I may not agree with the GT fans but they’re presenting their case and I do see where they’re coming from.

On point while I like the tranquil flame of Super Saiyan Blue, Super Saiyan 4 is far more dramatic of a transformation.
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Toriyama should at least work one more saga. To show more of Pan, his first female Saiyan, first female Super Saiyan character, how strong is she, how her personality looks, her story, how cute and how fans like her. It is very new interesting idea how Toriyama work this character, instead of just leave rest work to Toei's GT and made her so annoying and underestimate. They made her like Bulma because they thought this was Toriyama female taste.
He had done many for Gohan and Goten why not Pan. He is too dependent on male in this period.
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>>2739672
And what? Does that make it automatically better?

Let's not forget that Toriyama created a far less interesting Bardock as well.
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>>2739696
Toriyama is the kind of writer who needs good editors he can work with. He’s good at the broad strokes but keep in my mind it was the Super team not Toriyama who had the idea for Kale he threw in Caulifla as an after thought. An appreciated afterthought but still.

>>2739695
Pan has never turned Super Saiyan hell I don’t think she’s transformed in games.

Kale was the first female Super Saiyan shown in artworks and Caulifla was the first female Super Saiyan in canon.
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>>2739709
She should at least become SSJ in Super Dragon Ball Heroes.
They made many of those Saiyans who can’t turn or further various of Super Saiyans become able. But they only forget Pan damn.
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>>2739695
It's funny how people forget that there was another Saiyan woman in GT and it was even worse handled than Pan, do not forget that loyal GT fans hate Pan.

Although the advantage of an SSJ Pan, is that the complaints towards a woman SSJ had begun then.
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>>2739695
I don't trust Toriyama to write female characters. Lunch aand Videl were both good characters, but he forgot about one's existence and turned the other one into a non-fighting housewife. Bulma is the only one who got a good treatment consistently throughout the entire series.
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>>2739942
But Bulma is the worst character in the series.

Er, as a human being, I mean, not as a character. Not that she's a great character, but I guess she advances the plot occasionally.
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>>2739969
Bulma is the only female character that actually got personality on her.
Videl too, but I honestly think Toriyama just forgot after all these years.
But hey we got Future Mai, so that's nice.
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But Toriyama likes women, ecchi and porn.
When he wrote Dr. Slump, Arale was a female main character although she was mischievous but she was strong and funny.
His video games such as Dragon Quest, he had design few hot, cute, beautiful, cool and strong female characters.
So I think he is not bad to write females.
He just became lack of female characters during work DBZ period. I don’t, know why maybe his assistants are bad to do females.
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>>2740106
Because DBZ became ultimate shounen fighting fantasy, and there's no room for women as anything but set dressing or romantic interest in that kind of thing; and Toriyama doesn't really seem to care about romantic interest. Bulma only survived as a character because she was already established as having some scientific knowhow, and since every single guy was pure musclehead (except occasionally Piccolo, and that was more strategy than science), Toriyama needed a sciencey, non-fighter type to help advance the plot.
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>>2740106
With Super he actually went back and gave Bulma some love again, heck even the Pilaf gang got revisited ever since Battle of Gods, even if he had to make Mai Trunk's girlfriend to do so.
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>>2716129
>(in a post credits scene) if he tries to escape to another universe where he encounters Kefla, and she quickly kicks his ass showing she's evolved and got stronger.
That would be awesome
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>>2739611
>GT feels like it has a lot more soul into it.
ahahahahaha
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>>2740158
GT was an ill-adviced attempt to continue a franchise that was still in its prime. Super is just Toei unburying what should be a dead franchise for quick and easy cash.
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>>2740207
>GT was for quick and easy cash.
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Much needed mature incest.
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>>2744435
Btw, Tighs has no known husband, right? Maybe we could pair her up with lonely girls like Lunch or even 21.
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Wait is that official? I mean I know it wouldn’t be the first time a series made such interesting art. But damn if it’s official they know exactly what they’re doing.
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>>2751178
and there are still people who complain about Super.
That season he did a lot of things well and this is basically one of the best
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>>2745268

Oh my god, they are just gorgeous. Japanese are so lucky, I can't help but wonder how many art of this kind (be it DB or any franchise and of any interest) that we'd love we miss out. I hope to some day get this one in HQ and finding (if there are) more of them.

I never cared much about dragon ball past my teenage years, and watched super with some disdain, but after all these years waiting, these two reignited my love for it.

Why should the only girlfriend Goku had a scientist and not a baddass fighter? I asked that myself all my childhood. Now we get them, they are cute, and yuri as fuck. I'm mad in love with Kale and Caulifla.
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>>2752051
>Why should the only girlfriend Goku had a scientist and not a baddass fighter?
What are you talking about?
Goku married a badass fighter, not a scientist.
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>>2752053
Girlfriend as in "friend who is a girl". Bulma is the only girl relevant in the franchise. We only had a moment with 18 that one time but that was it.

Chi-chi might be hot headed but to be baddass you gotta keep up with power levels. Also I never feel her as such. Blonde Lunch was the real girl baddass in old DB.

We've got girl saiyans now. For real.
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>>2752072
Actually that's just perpetuating my problem with the series, in that only saiyans are allowed to be strong, but girls that aren't pure window dressing is also a nice step up, I suppose.
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>>2769263
I'm keeping it afloat, but there's just nothing to discuss anymore.
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>>2769333
>theres nothing to discuss anymore
Let's talk about Caulilflas tits then
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>>2769352
In her base form, they are like, the only part of her body that's not a noodle.
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>>2769368
be careful about insulting my girlfriend anon
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>>2769352
I'd rather talk about Kefla's keflas.

Or maybe even just how cute girl majins in Xenoverse are. Seriously how did those evolve from Buu?
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>>2769378
Kale, pls.

>>2769449
It was explained in the backstory for Dragon Ball Online. Basically Buu found Mr Satan's porn mags and used it as a basis to create a female duplicate of himself, which resulted in Majins becoming a race.
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>>2769478
>Basically Buu found Mr Satan's porn mags and used it as a basis to create a female duplicate of himself, which resulted in Majins becoming a race.
Kek. Toriyama still can't let go of the silly stuff.
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Silliness was always the bread and butter of DB, despite what western fans who only watched Z think BoG is a great example of it.
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>>2769352
I like how Caulifla is normally bigger than Kale, But Kale surpasses her in LLSSJ form. They could alternate forms in order to switch nursing positions. It's fun to think about the effects of Super Saiyan on sex.
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>>2770192
It would probably be very destructive especially since the Legendary form takes the inherent blood lust of the Super Saiyan form up to eleven. Although Kale has her True Legendary and Controlled forms which she can control better. It’d still be amusing to think that maybe a sparring session takes a sexy turn but their sex is no less destructive to the landscape.>>2670597
>>2670599 I’d imagine it looking like this but with more explosions.

>>2769449
Speaking of Xenoverse any idea when the dlc is coming out? Do we finally get the bikinis outside of raid events?
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>>2770204
I prefer Berserk LLSSJ for uncontrollable sex, and also because seeing Berserk Kale wiping out half the fighters in the manga was so cathartic. Imagine Kale and Caulifla having literal world-shattering orgasms, releasing powerful ki blasts everywhere as they cum.
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And then she sneezed and Bulma died and everybody in the Dragon Ball universe was much happier. People stopped trying to destroy Earth because the planet had suddenly become so much less offensive, and Goku wandered off to the ends of the universe hoping to find a good fight. He was never seen again, and his children grew up to be much more well-adjusted and responsible than their wayward father.
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>>2775899
>alternate dragon ball histories: what if bulma had lesbian sex with launch (blue hair)
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>>2776029
Bulma is the biggest /het/ girl around
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>>2776034
When has that ever stopped anyone on this board?
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>>2769507
Super actually too because it doubled down in the 'Vegeta lets himself be silly' part.
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Kale is definitely into Caulifla
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Caulifla is just dense just like Goku plus the official stance on Saiyan romance is “friends but more” with some exceptions.

All Kale has to do is grab Caulifla and make out with her and Caulifla will get it. Hell Caulifla would probably praise Kale for being so bold!
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>>2739436
>Super also claimed that Goku never kissed Chichi
And this point, I have to ask what keeps Chi-Chi around. Poor woman must be starved affection.
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>>2784791
She always has Bulma to rely on for some woman loving..
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>>2784791
Or Videl if you're into daughter-in-law incest.
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>>2784791
Reminder that (female) Son Goku is beautiful.
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Agreed.
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Who else is waiting for this douiin to be leaked out and translated
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>>2784883
I dig this than thr orig
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>>2788023
Has there ever been a DB pure yuri doujin?
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>>2788037
probably
i don't understand why one of the biggest animu's wouldn't
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>>2788092
no good girls
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>>2788097
liar liar your shit's on fire
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>>2788099
it's true
18 and Videl were alright but they were het as fuck
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>>2788103
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>>2788092
Sadpanda only has shitty western comics.
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>>2788099
Girls literally don't matter in the Dragonball universe. Pre-Super, there's one girl who has any significant impact on the plot, Bulma, and that's because she's the token science-person.

She's also an awful human being, so, you know, feel free to come up with any analyses of Toriyama you like based on that.

Realistically, though, Dragonball is a shounen fighting manga/anime, and up until very, very recently, girls were just sort of background filler in those. Can't have them getting in the way of little Shotarou's male power fantasy trip.
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>>2788566
But Bulma is one of the best characters in the series, and she has even stayed consistently relevant.
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>>2788023
Depends is it Yuri or Yuri bait?
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>>2788037
closest is some futa shit
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that's it, don't know if there's a title, think it was part of one of those anthology doujins
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Man i miss saiyan tails.
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>>2788673
idk can't find the whole thing online anywhere yet
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>>2788673
Found it's MelonBooks(?) page and it's futashit. Why can't we just get a cute CauliKale doujin about them hanging out after the ToP and how it put things into perspective for Caulifla and she asks Kale out and maybe holds her hand a bit? And where is all the Vikal x Kakunsa art?
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>>2788870
>And where is all the Vikal x Kakunsa art?
Sadly, only this one >>2735950 and pic related exist. There's also a lack of anything with Ribrianne and Rozie.
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>>2788968
That sucks. Vikal x Kakunsa could be a cool enemies turned lovers ship, or maybe even have Vikal be a friend of Sanka Ku and a Kakunsa fangirl that decided to get powers to help her after getting saved by her. A lot of the universes shown in the ToP were interesting and could use some more fleshing out, but the lack of cool magical girl x goth vampire gf is one of the worst offenders of it. Followed by no revenge for best bot Auta Magetta
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>>2789865
That's an interesting take in their relationship. I would also like something between Ribrianne and Rozie. Like Rozie confessing to Ribrianne that she has always loved her, and that way getting Ribrianne to leave behind her shallow and selfish concept of love.

>best bot Auta Magetta
You, I like you.
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More Kale animation neat
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Kale made her dub debut tonight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbBNilhNESw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNIpp3rV7CA





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