We have a raw, no subs yet - BD has them, but this is some VoD rip or something.>>>/a/189533763>https://mega.nz/#!hNl2kSTL!KjXgw7coHBqT-ys-BJEbXaUx8W1JgnPtAeCHrCIfppoPersonally I'm either waiting for Ron if he's willing to throw pearls to the swines again or BD raw + subs.
I forgot to say, thanks to the uploader.
>>2908473>I sure hope you're into anal
>>2908479Yuri looks so moe there. Fingers crossed for happy ending anal is fine too if happy sex
I have this feeling that ron isn't going to do it. I think the autist made him never want to do another sub project.
>>2909835Understandable. It would be reason enough to psychically burn out.We still love you for the previous stuff tho, Ron.
>>2909835>I think the autist made him never want to do another sub project.What happened?>>2909898>Emperor NiroWho's that?
>>2909906>What happened?Just the-one-who-shouldn't-be-named being as obnoxious as always and making it virtually impossible to have a discussion on /a/. At least on /u/ his posts get deleted. >Who's that?I think that's the guy commissioning all the fetishy Signum/Fate pictures and spamming them in our threads. At least those are yuri, but I'm pretty sure most people must hate Signum at this point, which is a pity because she used to be one of my favorite characters too.
>>2909991Someone needs to draw Fate in prince mode on the right side of that chart.
>>2909991There is nothing wrong with your liking a couple, I already gave my valid complaint, but I have no problems with the idea in general and as I said before that couple was a thing since A's was Strikers who consolidated NanoFate.
>>2909995That's fine Anon, everyone likes different things, but more extreme fetishes like ntr can bother some people.
>>2909999It's just a fanart, that does not affect the main series unless the fans are idiots.
>>2909991>spamming them in our threadsThat's me actually.
>>2909885Ron was a lurking scanlator and fansubber of Nanoha stuff. Did Vivid TV, Vivid Strike, fixed subs of movies, and he did a lot of doujin and special translations as a side bonuses for that.But that raging autist on /a/ that can'T keep shut about pedohating StrikerS has made /a/ threads insufferable and that probably drow this translating guy away.Very sad, his translating of Vivid Life was an awesome thing if nothing else.
>>2908473For real?! A shame that I won't be able to import the DVD right now... hope it is still available by the time I can.For now, I'll just wait ReinForce's release.
>>2910144Oh, so it was Bitch-kun, not Voldy.
>>2910144although I think you should only look for a better place for your contributions, cofcofherecofcof is sad that that kind of thing happens for stupid fans.
>>2910172>cofcofherecofcofWhat makes you think this faggotry is acceptable here?
>>2910154>Levi about to KO everyone
>>2910238Is Levi's magic also lightning-related?
>>2909991Hi there, I'm Emperor_Niro. Believe me or not, but I've only contributed 1 single Signum/Fate post to the last thread, and none to this thread.
>>2909999Uncommon pairings are not necessarily ntr.
>>2910387Yes. Fun fact, Levi's and Alicia's magics share the same color.
>>2910507So on top of having the wrong powerlevel, dominant hand, latent talent and personality, Fate also has the wrong magic color.Precia really did everything wrong.
>>2910532>Precia really did everything wrong.Seems like an improvement.Creating the perfect wife for Nanoha can't be wrong in any way.
>>2909835>>2910144Ron is a shitty dumbass, but beyond that, he was NEVER going to do it because he never cared about Nanoha at all. You think it's some sort of coincidence that he subbed everything with Vivid on its name at the speed of light but didn't consider doing the big new movie release (Reflection) until people begged him to for days on end? And that he then contributed fuck-all for the Reflection manga and the translation patches for the A's Portable duo, while bending over backwards for that literally who Vivid Life shit?If you put all of your eggs in one basket, especially the one labeled "i couldn't give less of a shit about Nanoha" and especially after already being warned about this EXACT thing, then you have no one to blame but yourself.And Emperor Niro did nothing wrong.
>>2910535Vivid Life is great though.
>>2910536It didn't have enough Haru-nyan peeing herself.
>>2910561>>2910594Yeah, that's the Bitch-kun asshole here >>2910535.
>>2910535To be fair, Reflection was boring and disappointing.
>>2910502People simply resent the existence of something they do not like in the first place.>>2910535>big new movie Oh holy heaven, I understand what is wrong here.Do the new films officially belong to the line of the other films? If that is the case, everyone knows what that means.
Of course the lesbian couple had to adopt cats.
>>2910726I liked Reflection, but I just watched Detonation without subs and without understanding the main events. I gotta say they did a really shit job animating it, most of the shots are stills where the only people whose mouth move are the one talking, poor Vita is sitting and looking in the same direction as if she froze in place during a several minute conversation. They narrate the events mostly through talking so the story isn't completely understandable without the subs, and I can focus on the long eventless pictures. They could have shown a bit more action or anything other than this boredom. Even the fight scenes didn't excite me as much as they did in Reflection. :(
>>2911327This is so repetitive
>>2911566At least not the ovums but yeah definitely
New NanoFate doujin:http://nanofate.us/content/happy-merry-christmas
BDMV: https://nyaa.si/view/1153103(this should have the official subs in it)>>2911613Thanks!
>>2908473Dunno about you guys but Detonation is damn good to me, even better than Reflection. The music is good. The fast pace and somewhat violent action is top notch compared to all other recent mahou shojo/mecha musume shows. The constant twists and interwoven relationships between all the combatants add an emotional layer to the conflicts. On top of that, while not the focus of the story, Nanoha was a able to get herself a nice self-reflection scene at the end. The yuri might be a bit lacking, sure, but somehow between all the drama and action, Fate still managed to assert her position as Nanoha's prince. I guess the only thing I wish they could have improved on is the generic robot/android minions. All in all, I'm pretty satisfied with this movie, will buy the BD soon.An advice, though, you all should wait for sub before watching unless you know Japanese. The story make up at least half of the enjoyment.
>>2911620How are the official subs?
>>2911760>even better than ReflectionThat's not saying much, given how awful Reflection is.
>>2911760It was a good movie, but they focused too much on the new characters, while neglecting the old ones (who the fans love). Yuri aside, Fate barely got any screentime.
>>2911876>they focused too much on the new characters, while neglecting the old onesSo basically, every Nanoha installment since Strikers.
>https://nyaa.si/view/1153068Anyone can extract english subs?
>>2910532So a clone of the clone resembles the original? I guess Precia forgot a minus sign somewhere.
>>2911760>>2911876I don't think this was a good movie. To me it felt like the bastard child of everything bad about strikers and force with none of the things that make those series enjoyable. The OST was not as good as movie 2nd, none of the insert songs landed for me, too many characters get nothing to do, none of the main character have any stakes on the plot, the characters that do have stakes get shafted, most action scenes are poorly paced, poorly animated or happen mostly offscreen and the gore is completely toothless. The yuri flashback was the best part of the movie and even that they managed to fuck up. Seriously, what is the point of introducing an evil scientist dude to be the bad guy? They were using the Book of Darkness to terraform, that shit was going to end in tragedy regardless. Having that dude there completely ruins all the drama with Iris and Yuri. >The fast pace and somewhat violent action is top notch compared to all other recent mahou shojo/mecha musume showsAsuka was way better than Detonation.
>>2911887>https://nyaa.si/view/1153068those are chinese
https://mega.nz/#!WQp0XYSb!PVqmxmUTP5dbVKQYz3cShmq4e3zwJYU1gEqMm-lRem0Someone on /a/ uploaded it to mega with stock subs >>>/a/189698942
>>2911971This, they should have cut the evil scientist shit that took up half the movie and made Iris a more compelling villain. She just turned into a joke woobie in thie movie.Also, Amita is one of my new favourites and even though she gets all the coolest action scenes she always jobs in the end and has to be saved by Nanoha. Feels like the movie can't decide who it's main characters are or doesn't want her to look too competent when it counts. Nanoha still has to be relevant even though she has no stakes in the plot and they forgot to give her one.I think the sisters would work better in their own seperate spinoff.
>>2912206I'm confused about the injury too. Did Nanoha's arm get regenerated miraculously...? A while ago I read some spoiler about her getting a cybernetic arm which was a brow raising moment but now I'm wondering if that was even a real spoiler?
>>2912218If we assume her arm got vaporized by the explosion then they probably grew a new arm magically, or it was just severed so they just stitched it back together and magic healed it. Latter would make sense of why the entire arm is bandaged in the end. It probably got burnt up by the expposion. Or they had to stitch bits of it back together after collecting them in space, yum. Wouldn't be too surprised if they can do that somehow
>>2912219it's an anime convention to putuinrealistically thin bandage made from too narrow strips on everything even tho it makes no sense.
>>2912306I always chuckle when I see Chrono with a dumb bandage over his hair as if that does anything.
Sub subtracted from this: https://nyaa.si/view/1153353http://www.mediafire.com/folder/qkzb1dmjshz4h/Mahou_Shoujo_Lyrical_Nanoha_Detonation_eng_sub_extracted_from_BD
So, whose grave was it at the end? The parents'?That's a strange choice of an epilogue.
>>2912395The dad's. They said their mom was cured.
>>2912325But it had a cute ribbon tie
>>2912449Amy! Do it over!
>>2912472My anime nipponese tells me these subs are shit and she's actually saying that he was lively for a long while while speaking in past tense.
> Reinforce version of Detonation out> Almost twice the size of their Reflection encodeWhat's up with that?
>>2912546different encoding setting result in very different filesizes. There is also stuff like the sorts of dithers the source uses, or amount of motion, but likely it is different settings.
Also, sometimes the meaning of settings changes as the encoder gets new features/versions, and even the same settings now give higher filesize (but also quality).
>>2912548They're just Coalgirls tier at encoding. As the algorithms get better filesizes should be getting smaller for the same quality.
That part with Nanoha at the end hit me harder than I was expecting.
https://nyaa.si/view/1153566Stand alone English subs track in *.sup formatUse a program like this to convert to text format that can be edited like we did when the Movie 2nd came out.https://www.videohelp.com/software/Subtitle-Edit
>>2911760I thought it was great too, glad I waited until the subs to watch it rather than trying to go in raw (which probably burned anyone impatient, as it's a very plot-heavy movie). Not a huge fan of Iris not actually being the main antagonist but that's admittedly the norm with these sorts of series and it was handled more elegantly than that kind of twist tends to be. I'm glad they got the reveal with Yuri and the Materials out of the way early and did a lot with their relationship rather than save it for a last minute twist like with Gears, having them helping out the whole movie was nice. The bit with Dearche powering up was a bit forced in though, it didn't work nearly as well as how it was executed in Gears and felt like they remembered they had to include it in this and just threw it in.Overall not some super incredible 11/10 kino movie but plenty good. Anyone expecting a big focus on the regular cast is sure to be disappointed though, I was fine with that aspect but I can see why others wouldn't be. I'm fairly certain that's why Reflection existed in the way it did, to give them their moments and screentime there instead.
>>2912677Should I wait for better subs or are the BD good enough? It's not like I'm too interested in watching the movie, I can wait, but if we will never get real subs I may as well just download what we have and watch it when I have time.
>>2912686I have no idea if Ron will do anything with this movie or not and I don't think Reflection ever got another release by anyone else. The official subs are a little weak in spots but it's all readable enough. If you're not super anticipating the movie, it might be worth it to wait a little bit to see if Ron makes a move but watching it with the official subs is workable.
Seems the subtitle timing is off (subs appear too soon). Tried changing the delay setting but not seeing a difference. Anyone figure out a good timing delay, and have a recommend way of adjusting the timing (using XY Subfilters to try to re-time)
Whose grave do you think it was at the end?
>>2912918Kinda miffed about how they unrobotized them but then still added robots.
>>2912924They were barely treated like robots in the original anyways.
>>2912925Amita got an actual hole punched through her and an arm ripped off instead of the weakass black scorch mark when protecting Kyrie in the game She was much cooler there.
Watching the older movies with commentary for the first time and some of these lines are hilarious
>>2913099>Fate and Vivio comparing notes on knocking Nanoha around or taking a SLB to the face.
>>2913099>>2913101I should really get around to watching them with the commentaries. I've had them for 2 years.
>>2913099The commentary tracks for the first two movies are fucking amazing and full of personality and great interactions. It's too bad the others won't get subbed, but given how few people watched them compared to the insane effort required, it's no surprise.
>>2913146I told myself t watch them on the next rewatch, but just at that point, work and life crap started and I barely saw any anime since. Still love Ron for them and looking forward to that. Saving for a rainy day even, perhaps.
What's stopping the staff from pretending Force never happened, and making a new sequel?
>>2913332Maybe Tsuzuki actually did have long-term plans for the concepts and characters introduced in Force and is trying to find the best way to integrate them? I doubt he wants to scrap them entirely otherwise it would've been superseded by now.
>>2913332they probably do something similar to Dragon Ball, where the movies and GT are officially part of alternative time lines.>>2913349It would be interesting if the elements of Force are introduced better in an Anime (Manga does not work so well with Nanoha for some reason)
>>2913099>>2913101The casual domestic violence and regularized child labor exploitation are one of the best things in Nanoha.
Translated NF doujins.Lovely Motion https://megaupload.nz/n1CaLcwbn8/_kohagura_Lovely_Motion_rarTheatre Wings -omnibus- (+bonus)https://megaupload.nz/efE4Lew3n0/_kohagura_Theatre_Wings_-omnibus-_rar
>>2914758This is a war crime.
>>2914744Thanks for the scanlations, these are great.
Some goodies from kind anon on /a/ too >>>/a/189884712>Working on scanning the Detonation BD Booklet and the Lyrical Party Booklet that came with it as well. Have this in the meantime. Those two might not be ready by the time this thread dies but I'll post them in the next one that comes up. Haven't scanned Part B yet, but that's the weapons/setting design half and this is the character half.https://mega.nz/#!nFpz3IYY!P0OxdYyr-O58TKN9yIUAaFzYo4hm1rQnEaKDNqkhbsg
>>2914965Said anon that scanned that here, was gonna drop that and this here when I had both ready since this thread's slower. Have some scans of the Detonation BD's booklets and such. Part B of the Design Book coming Soon Enough(tm).https://mega.nz/#!aUhF0QTR!fBaQUgAGmvdjp7hLvxJbxGOk5I5bp-CLC_KhxwMno7M
>>2915039Thanks for thinking about us yurifags, anon!
>>2915076If anything I think they really outdid themselves with the designs of the two sisters. I already liked them in GoD but they look amazing in the movies. Amita is super cool and Kyrie is beautiful.
>>2914876>>2914755I'm looking to get more practice on translating/editing, so I'd be open to suggestions if there's any doujins/comic strips in particular that people want in english....So long as said items aren't completely riddled with scribbled text that can be barely read, that is..
>>2915263There are also official anthologies.
>>2915263Does the omnibus version of Lorely have enough new stuff to consider translating it too? The old one was so good.
>>2915263Some years ago, somebody on A uploaded like 5 anthologies (Vivid, Innocent, StrikerS, some had Force stuff too), but I can't find the links - I guess it was either mediafire or mega.It had lots of interesting-looking stuff, some of it is translated (generally one needs to look for TLs all over place, probably better to ask in palces...), but most probably not.I can make a torrent or something if the archive links are not found/nobody can post them.
>>2915404It does have a couple bonus pages in it, plus several redrawn parts and I think some changed dialogues (but I could be wrong). It will take time, though, and I can't promise I've the attention span for the length of the entire long doujin.... though maybe I could just do the bonus pages. Hm.>>2915470>>2915278I've only very recently returned to the fandom, so I'm pretty out of touch with what got uploaded in the last couple years. If there's links etc that I can look at, that would be awesome for sure.
>>2915517>No one caresI'm also sick of all the tribbing ntr impregnation fetish pictures in every thread. Just make a different thread for those.
>>2915522I only ask for more variety of poses, ideas and Shamal, besides it is not NTR unless it is explicitly detailed.
>>2915533All those pictures are of people cheating on their partners, I don't know if that always fits the ntr definition.
It sure is pretty cute when Nanoha and Fate are close together, huh guys?
>>2915543I have seen people ask for context to a simple image, although getting context from an image without a description made by the artist is silly, by the way one of those images was called "sexfriends">>2915549I personally prefer them as the adult married couple they are.
>>2915550Adult NanoFates are wonderful too. Them raising Vivio together is really sweet!
>>2915552Too bad Vivio ended up being a disappointment.
>>2915552Adult NanoFate is what makes them consolidate as a good couple, they stay together even when their jobs keep them away and raising their daughter
>>2915555It's not Vivi's fault that that harpy stole her girlfriend.The funny thing is that even the Japanese see it that way.
>>2915550>although getting context from an image without a description made by the artist is sillyYeah, but it's not our fault that extra context is the kind of evidence that someone claiming "it's not cheating" would need to provide to probe their point.
>>2915564It is her fault. She didn't befriend Einhart hard enough.
>>2915555Vivio is a strong girl who shines well on her own and has great influences from both of her mamas. She picked up plenty of Nanoha's tendencies and has applied them without any of the mental issues that Nanoha herself had growing up, showing Nanoha and Fate's success as parents. The only mistake she made was miscalculating when she punched Einhart's gay switch into the on position, not expecting a literally who to swoop in the very next day.
>>2915565You also have to take into account the intentions of the author, in this case who pays for the images.It does not seem to have bad intentions unlike the hetfags who believe that their mental diarrhea is canon.>>2915569Yumina is basically the "antagonist" in Vivid and Vivi was simply defeated.
>>2915573another problem is that Vivi does not feel like a protagonist even in her own Manga and it is supposed to be a battle story, she is supposed to always defeat her rivals with willpower and it seems that Fuuka fulfilled the role of protagonist better.
>>2915573She didn't pick up Nanoha's most important trait then, or did Vivio also miscalculated when she punched Nove's teaching switch on? Because she also immediately abandoned her for Einhart. At this rate I would not be surprised if Miura ends up ditching her for another girl as well.
>>2915574>You also have to take into account the intentions of the author, in this case who pays for the images.Any piece of art or media stands on its own and the comments of their authors or owners have no bearing on their objective interpretations.
>>2915587Go home >>>/y/ Barthes!
Does anyone know any fanartists who still draw new Nanoha content? I haven't been following Nanoha art for years and since everyone moved to twitter I haven't been able to find any good art of Reflection and Detonation.
>>2915543>All those pictures are of people cheating on their partnersThis assumes canon partners. As fanwork is fiction even with respect to the fictional series being discussed, you can't just go assuming shit if there's sufficient reason not to. If there's a non-canon pairing present in an image, all that means is that the non-canon pairing exists within the scope of the image, it does not mean that a canon pairing also exists and is being desecrated without any evidence of the canon pairing existing. And no, regardless of what you may think, the mere existence of canon characters does not automatically imply canonical relationships, at least not when there's another relationship automatically depicted.
>>2916160>at least not when there's another relationship automatically depictedI meant to say "at least not when there's another relationship explicitly depicted".
>>2916160>This assumes canon partners. As fanwork is fiction even with respect to the fictional series being discussed, you can't just go assuming shit if there's sufficient reason not to.>the mere existence of canon characters does not automatically imply canonical relationshipsIf the fanwork is based on a series you should assume that everything about it is based on the series' context unless specified otherwise. Individual facts can be different since fans are free to change the original work as they please, but I don't agree with the claim that "the depiction of non-canon pairing in a picture is a sufficient reason to not assume canon pairings", because people having sex outside of a relationship is possible and something that happens in the real world and fiction. Nonetheless, there's one of these cheating pictures that depicts Fate and Signum having sex and is tagged as "married", that tag alone should be enough extra context for most people to know the characters in the picture are married and the picture depicts an alternate reality where Signum took Nanoha's place. Something like that should in most cases qualify as sufficient evidence to warrant belief of non-canon pairings for the characters in question.
>>2916160Reminder that impregnation of Fate has to canonically happen by SLB hit, people. Don't you know anything?
>>2916173>I don't agree with the claim that "the depiction of non-canon pairing in a picture is a sufficient reason to not assume canon pairings", because people having sex outside of a relationship is possible and something that happens in the real world and fiction.I didn't say that. I said that if there's no evidence or even hints of cheating (eg. Fate's wearing a ring and Signum isn't, there are pictures of Nanoha in the background possibly together with Fate, etc.), and there is an alternate pairing explicitly depicted, then assuming the canon relationship is baseless and outright retarded. Just don't make assumptions, and take the image at face value.
>>2916420>>2916173To put it another way, all I said was that the existence of a non-canon pairing does not A) imply the additional existence of a canon pairing, and B) imply the desecration of said canon pairing. Or, to put it even simpler, I said that the existence of Thing One does not automatically imply the existence of Thing Two, and I made no comment on the non-existence of Thing Two.
>>2916420My claims are that any piece of art or media stands on its own and the comments of their authors or owners have no bearing on their objective interpretations, and additionally that fanworks (stated as such by the author) are established in the same setting as the original work unless stated otherwise by the setting of the fanwork itself.>I said that if there's no evidence or even hints of cheating (eg. Fate's wearing a ring and Signum isn't, there are pictures of Nanoha in the background possibly together with Fate, etc.), and there is an alternate pairing explicitly depicted, then assuming the canon relationship is baseless and outright retarded.That's the shifting of the burden of proof fallacy, the burden of proof is on you for making the claim that "cheating doesn't take place" in the kinds of pictures discussed above. The potential lack of evidence of the contrary in a image itself is no argument in favor of your claim.>>2916432>all I said was that the existence of a non-canon pairing does not A) imply the additional existence of a canon pairingThat is implied by the original setting itself (as in the Nanoha franchise). You would have to make a original work that happens to resemble character from Nanoha instead of fanarts if you don't want people to interpret these characters as the "Signum" and "Fate" we know with all that comes with them.
>>2916440No, you have to take the image at face value. If you want to assume shit that isn't shown or hinted at, then that's on you.>My claims are that any piece of art or media stands on its ownIf media stands on it's own, then why are you assuming something that isn't shown? You're only making this assumption because you're viewing the piece through the lens of the official canon instead of actually letting the piece stand on its own.>fanworks (stated as such by the author) are established in the same setting as the original work unless stated otherwise by the setting of the fanwork itself.This is completely true, but what you need to understand is that the setting of Signum and Fate having sex is "stat[ing] otherwise by the setting of the fanwork itself.">That's the shifting of the burden of proof fallacy, the burden of proof is on you for making the claim that "cheating doesn't take place" in the kinds of pictures discussed above. The potential lack of evidence of the contrary in a image itself is no argument in favor of your claim.If there is no cheating shown explicitly or implicitly (and thus the existence of a non-canon pairing does state that the setting is different from canon), then the burden of proof is on you to prove that cheating does take place. Burden of proof says it's not up to me to preemptively prove a negative, but up to you to prove a positive.>That is implied by the original setting itself (as in the Nanoha franchise).There are two thing wrong with this. First, it is the franchise itself that supposedly implies the existence of a canon pairing; the existence of a non-canon pairing doesn't do this. Second, the existence of a canon pairing isn't implied by the franchise in this case, because the explicit depiction of a non-canon pairing has stated that the work's setting is different than the canon setting.
>>2916440>>2916597In short, the explicit depiction of a non-canon pairing states that the image's setting is different from the canon setting. As such, you can't just assume the existence of canon elements that are contradicted by the image, and if you do make such assumptions, then the burden of proof is on you to prove those assumptions; the burden of proof is not on me to preemptively disprove you.
Didn't you two have this exact same argument last thread?
>>2916597>>2916598>the explicit depiction of a non-canon pairing has stated that the work's setting is different than the canon setting.>the setting of Signum and Fate having sex is "stat[ing] otherwise by the setting of the fanwork itself.">you can't just assume the existence of canon elements that are contradicted by the imageIf you agree with my first two claims then I have nothing more to add, the rest is just a matter of opinions in standards of evidence which is the usual thing that you often find as the root of disagreements in debates. Like you seemly implying that a person having sex with a partner is enough evidence to warrant to conclusion that they don't have a relationship with another person, but that evidence not meeting my standards.Also to avoid confusions I never implied that the pictures themselves implied cheating, but the original setting did. That wasn't a point I was defending.Either way in the end more importantly than how is one meant to properly interpret a fanwork on the Internet is how the people are in fact interpreting these specific pictures, because this all started because some people were mad with the reiterated posing of cheating pictures and other people claiming the pictures don't imply cheating.>>2916612Yeah, it's fun to have a small debate about something not serious and inconsequential once in a while, but if it's a bother to the rest of the thread I'll stop.Also what is the source of that picture?
>>2917016That's a weird looking NanoFate.
>>2917028https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=58967676I think that's just the art style of the artist
With Ron MIA and no one else seeming to want to pick this up as a project, I took it upon myself to do an editing pass on the official BD subs for Detonation. Built upon the OCR someone did of them that was timed to ReinForce's raw. It's not perfect but I tried my best. Probably still has a couple of issues and a few lines I wasn't certain about got left as-is. I didn't adjust any mentions of Amitie's name to fit people nicknaming her because I'm lazy. Definitely still a much better alternative to the base BD subs even in this state though, if anyone wants something like this for a rewatch or was waiting for a better release.Font styling blatantly stolen from Ron's Reflection subs for consistency, I included the fonts he used for those since I couldn't embed them into an mkv with a sub-only release.https://mega.nz/#!aRJ0QKxB!z8fGKtm8AhNH3E9qjMTZS3OsBchZ7xMbLXZeknRShP0
>>2918535Thanks!Did you do just editing into proper english, or also some TL-checking for correctness - so that people know what to expect?
>>2918551Both, I should have clarified. I'm not a Japanese expert or anything but what I could fix up or expand on the meaning of I did. A lot of the lines in the script were bizarrely interpreted, left out a lot of information, or were outright wrong. I also changed some terms around to fit the norm, like forcefield - > barrier.
>>2918554Damn, that's great news.
>>2918559I stress again that I'm not an expert and was doing things to the best of my ability. There's definitely still some errors or slight misinterpretations in there more than likely. But I did manage to do a lot despite that. Some major lines gain much more impact when written out properly.
Final chapter of Vivid translated:https://vividtranslations.com/2019/07/03/nanoha-vivid-102-final-epilogue/
>>2918727In the end, was it worth it?
>>2918781Vivid gave us the Takamachi family and some shenanigans with Vivio and Einhart. It's worth for all the great yuri doujins it spawned alone, even if the manga isn't that great.
>>2918791>Takamachi familyPretty sure Strikers did it first.
>>2918794You're right, that was so many years ago. But still they didn't started calling them the Takamachi family and both Fate and Nanoha weren't Vivio's guardians until Vivid.
>>2918791>some shenanigans with Vivio and EinhartKek
>>2918727How many years has it been?>>2918791The loli fanservice early on was great.
>>2918535I hate being critical of other people's work when I'm not perfect, but from the short bit of your script that I reviewed, you seem to have missed most of the mistakes and added at least a few like "If I stop Iris, it'll help Yuri too!" You didn't even notice how the ending is completely wrong which was kind of a big one with errors stretching across multiple lines. But it sounds like you already know that your translation abilities are a bit lacking.Contrary to popular belief, editing someone else's subs takes more skill and experience than making them yourself. You wouldn't want a Japanese teacher who doesn't know the language as well as you to be grading your homework. It's far too easy to look at a line and get tricked into thinking that it's correct unless you're paying close attention to what's actually being said and fully understand it yourself. You have to really know what you're doing to be able to say with absolute confidence that something is definitely either right or wrong. You can make it to that level eventually, but it takes a lot of time and concerted effort.Please forgive me if I cause your efforts to feel undermined, but I've been working on this since before there was even a public raw. So allow me to shut up and put my money where my mouth is...
>>2919109No offense taken whatsoever. I'm just glad to know you're working on a release for the movie after all. The only reason I stepped up to do anything in the first place was to make a badly crafted band-aid for there being no better alternative in sight.
>[ron] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha Detonation (1080p BD Hi10 AACx5.1+2.0)https://nyaa.si/view/1155997>[ron] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha Detonation (720p BD x264 AACx2.0)https://nyaa.si/view/1155996Took a while longer this time since the official script was so bad that I had to throw it out and start from scratch. Went back and counted how many mistakes it had. There were 231 mistranslated lines. This doesn't include the ones that were fucking awful since that was most of them. Just the lines that were definitely wrong.The 10-bit 1080p version (8GB) is twice as big as Reflection's mainly because there's so much motion in the video. If it's a problem for you, that's one of the reasons there's an 8-bit 720p version (2GB) which should be sufficient quality for most viewers.
>>2919111Finally good subs. Thanks as always ron, downloading now.
>>2919111Thanks, Ron! Great to see you again too.
>>2919111Thank you Ron, I wasn't sure whether or not you would be back so this is a pleasant surprise
>>2919111Thanks for the subs, Ron. I appreciate your work.
>>2915263somebody on /a/ posted a bunch of doujins by the InnocentS author, I think it has nice scans of the BreakerS series too>>>/a/190129596>This thread's as good as any. Have some doujins by the Nanoha Innocent mangaka that I scanned. I think I've posted some of them before but not all of them, and not on /a/.>https://mega.nz/#!7QJHiIrQ!4VrfS2zsF8Og5iVYGJbMk4LQVD_FtyXYpH-f4EXrAVY
>>2919440Hmm, I think it only has some of the BreakerS stuff (two out of four or how many there are?)
>>2919440Now thats a ship I would have never imagine was possible.
>>2919485Why can't they give Syu a new manga? He's the best Nanoha artist.
>>2919589Vivid mangaka seems the most reliable and available though I'm not a huge fan of how some of his takes on things or faces look. The INNOCENT guy's artstyle is fucking amazing (other than how he draws adult characters, he's absolutely awful at that) and he seems dedicated to the series, but with how bizarrely Nanoha manga seems to go, there isn't much hope for him getting to do anything official past the occasional INNOCENT manga bonus chapters he's gotten to make.
>>2919589He storyboarded the Reflection manga.
>>2915509I have these anthologies.I think most of it is translatedhttps://mega.nz/#F!8MNUWRIa!T9YMZOFQMjxZH5_82xDVmQ
>>2919597Thanks, that's what I was talking about (thanks for reposting). I think at least half if not more of that is untranslated (the translated doujin archives/corpus is scattered and not organised though). So there defo is a nice stuff for TLing there but I fear it will take a lot of careful research/asking to find out if some specific part doesn't have a TL somewhere.
>>2919596Oh so that's why there's so many of his comedic expressions in it. I already thought he had some input in it
>>2919485Yeah, even the artist who drew that doujin doesn't think it's possible. Guess you can't actually read it and are just guess based on the images, like an idiot.
>>2919650No need to be so rude.
I hope we can all agree that while Yuri is literal moe miracle, Iris is the best girl of these movies.
Also actually good acting and writing. I liked how she goes into surprisingly civil/normal tone like saying "kimi ka" and "saa ne" to Chrono when a normal anime would insert clichy villain rants.
>>2919750>>2919756For me, she was about to become the most interesting part of the movie, before it was ruined by sudden introduction of new villain and his whole "It was me all along" reveal in the Detonation movie.
>>2919836Iris was a fantastic and interesting character cucked away by the runtime of the film and removal of her agency.
Someone needs to grab hold of the writer and start shaking him untill he stops adding 30 characters in a single movie or series.
>>2919850I like his large casts, the issue is the medium.
>>2919750>Iris is the best girl of these movies.That's not how you spell Amita.Iris has potential until she became "lol mindcontrolled, she dindu nuthin wrong".
>>2919852Given how it failed in anime, manga, video games, and now movies, it's safe to say the media are not the problem.
>>2919877>AnimeWorked just fine in A's and StrikerS. Genuinely don't know what big issue people have with StrikerS in general, it bit off a lot to chew yet was able to give almost every single character present an interesting arc that played out through the full run of the show and culminated in an absolutely amazing climax. Only a few (who were extremely minor) felt useless, and it made the world feel big and fleshed out, which was necessary since it took place on Midchilda and not on Earth, where magic was only available to a very small set of people.>MangaVivid pulled it off very well and managed to create a large cast of characters that didn't have the backing of the rest of the franchise yet were still great and likeable. Force had issues with it but we never saw the entire thing, and it seemed like he had a lot planned for everyone that was starting to come to fruition around when it got cancelled. Force's odd start threw a lot of people off and I don't think he should have done it the way he did in a manga format.>Video gamesBattle of Aces and Gears of Destiny are arguably the most the Nanoha cast has ever gotten a chance to breathe and be individually focused upon due to the nature of how their narratives are told. Individual character stories and split routes that focused on different characters and encounters lead to a ton of fun and interesting developments.
>>2919886>MoviesAbsolute fucking shit format for Nanoha. The fights are really fun to watch, but the movie length restriction means that the writing becomes bound by the balls. No exposition or technical explanation other than the absolute bare minimum allowed, character focus has to be cut short constantly because there is literally no time, plot threads have to suddenly come to a halt and be tied up with no time left. All interesting details are shoved into side booklets and the Reflection manga instead, and none of the tons of fights against the Iris Unit (who seemed to have individual personalities that could have been fun) or even plot important ones like Kyrie's battle against Iris got to play out much at all. It feels like there's someone constantly shoving everyone that appears off the set to get to the next scene despite the characters and ideas themselves being good for the most part.Fuck Maxwell though.
>>2919887Iris vs Kyrie would have had more time to breathe if they just cut out all of the scientist + the nameless clones. They'd also have more time with Dearche vs Yuri. It just felt too rushed.
>>2919901sounds like the arguments about As not needing Graham. I never get why do people want to dumb down good stories wit surprises.>>2919836>>2919839>>2919850I don't see a problem. Her wanting revenge for Yuri is from the start only based on a misunderstanding. And frankly, it would be dumb if it was innocent accident misunderstanding. Somebody had to kill those scientists you know and if all that was needed was to convince Iris Yuri was not guilty, then the whole two movies would have been much ado about nothing. A story needs struggle and if it was that simple it wold be underwhelming.Or do you want evil for real? Or alternatively, out of her mind like Precia? Nah, what the movie did was best and a good story. Real villains with evil goals are shit. Situational not-villians with noble or relatable reasons are what Nanoha is about.
Also nice: these subtly comic bits in the epilogue.
>>2920038Look at Amita's huge portion
>>2920010>Real, actual villains are shit
>>2920153Good girls always eat like a good children in Nanoha.
>>2920170I mean, shit person. Maxwell being an actual bastard helps the story, but he himself was a scum and it's nice that he rots in prison.
>>2920174Villains whose motivation is just being evil are always the worst from a storytelling perspective. That's exactly what he is.
>>2920010>Somebody had to kill those scientists you knowYuri in Gears of Destiny was not able to control herself and lashed out against everyone that came at her wanting to help her. They could have easily gone in that direction even with the new purpose and backstory for Yuri presented in Detonation, where Yuri lost control of the Book of Darkness or something and Nachtwal's influence drove her berserk, so once Iris has been backed into a corner and Yuri freed from her control, everyone could explain to her that Nachtwal was destroyed and Yuri won't be a threat anymore and was never responsible. Misunderstanding cleared up, Iris still got to be a villain for a time, and she can still get off easily enough because I mean, Graham's BoD revenge plot that had its own collateral and tons of illegal shit going on never got him more than a slap on the wrist either.
>>2920179This, both Precia and Reinforce were the villains/antagonists by tragic circumstance and they could have done the exact same with Iris. It feels like they were actually going with this in Reflection too with her going after Yuri for revenge. That way they can have Iris be somewhat redeemable while still having her be responsible for her own actions. And they shouldn't be afraid of giving characters permanent repercussions. Iris basically just got away with a slap on the wrist for interplanetary terrorism because "it's ok she was mindcontrolled"
>>2920177He wasn't "just being evil". He just killed all those people on Eltria for his own power and wealth, was ready to do it on Earth too, and then sell robot war machines for profit. That's very real sort of bastard, not some dumb comic villain evil just for the sake of evil and bling.Extra fucked part of him: the movie didn't stress it much, but besides the possibility that he never ever cared about restoring the planet (almost certain thing), the restoration probably got hampered exactly because he was building robo soldiers on the side, that he wanted to peddle to dictators and fuckers all over the timespace.The restoration program was probably cut for this reason, and the lack of funds that was plaguing it was clearly also because he funneled money into his criminal plans instead of saving the nature.
>>2920185>while still having her be responsible for her own actionsBut she was responsible for her own actions. She even said so herself. She is under her own control the whole time, the only form of manipulation is that she has wrong information, from when Maxwell lied to her before he died.She is only controlled by him from the point Kyrie returns to her and the fight starts. That's pretty short and inconsequential part.
>>2920189>He just killed all those people on Eltria for his own power and wealth, was ready to do it on Earth too, and then sell robot war machines for profit.That's exactly evil for the sake of being evil. He just cares about money and power, pretty much as bland as it can get for a villain. He's just a psychopath for no reason because you know nothing about him or his motivation for there to be any empathic connection and is just there to take away any moral ambiguity from Iris.
>>2920189I took it differently. He did want to restore Eltoria more than he wanted to help out a bunch of military fucks (I don't believe Amitie would have had the line about the possibility of him still working for restoration if he had only gotten his budget near the end of the film if this wasn't the case, she mentions it may have been an act on his end but the fact remains he didn't dump everyone to go full military without a reason either), but because he figured that the government would inevitably cut their funding with how worried he was about the budget, had a backup plan the whole time and spent spare funds towards having a backup in the military group as a source of cash. When the government finally cut him off, he said fuck it and went all in on the military end since he had kept that door propped open. He killed off all of his workers because he figured that was what was best for them as he was an unhinged person, which as bizarre and fucked up as it is shows that he did care about them to an extent.
>>2920193>He's just a psychopath for no reasonYou just yourself>He just cares about money and powerThat's banal but very real and sadly ever common and dangerous motivation.>for there to be any empathic connectionI don't think you need to or should feel empathy for such characters>is just there to take away any moral ambiguity from IrisNot really, she got lured into shit but there is still quite a bit of responsibility. She was kinda madly destructive out of her despair which was her own "input"Just think of them two as a dual antagonistic principle that works in combination. Just maxwell would be a "simple" evil that just deserves being destroyed, nothing complicated about it. Iris is a "notEvil" that deserves help and saving, but there needs to be a reason for why she does the bad things she does and stands against heroes. Maxwell provides exactly that.Basically Iris is in the end the exact thing Fate was, even though there is just indirect manipulation by lies instead of Mother-Daughter relationship as the reason. Maxwell is equivalent of Precia's insanity which was the real and death-deserving evil in S1.
>>2920203>That's banal but very real and sadly ever common and dangerous motivation.So what if it's common? You're not trying to make a simulation, you're trying to make a story.>I don't think you need to or should feel empathy for such charactersEmpathy =/= SympathyYou don't need to feel sympathetic, as in feeling bad and supporting them. But it's extremely important to have empathetic characters, as in understanding their motivations and viewpoints, especially for villains for them to feel like humans rather than storytelling tools.>Basically Iris is in the end the exact thing Fate wasExcept Precia was a tragic villain you could empathize with and whose death was understandably painful for Fate and had lasting effects on her development seasons later.
>>2920210>empathetic characters, as in understanding their motivations and viewpointsMaxwell is good there - he has like the oldest motivation in the book. Deplorable, but all too frequently seen, which meakes it believable and very understandable. Merchant with death AND unhealthy huge ambitions in one man.>Except Precia was a tragic villain you could empathize with and whose death was understandably painful for Fate and had lasting effects on her development seasons later.That exactly what I meant, read futher, I specifically write that it is Precia's insanity that is the real evil, not herself.
>>2920253That's not what empathy is. It's not rationally recognizing the facts, it's emotionally "putting yourself in their shoes".
>>2920260I have no trouble doing that, what about being utterly selfish bastard that doesn't put any value into lives of others is not possible to understand? He felt almost too real-life actually.BTW, one interesting thing. I noticed how creepy it was when Iris merrily started to show Yuri the formula powers and immediately summoned a gun and started to destroy stuff nonchallantly. Gave me kind of Starship Troopers propaganda videso vibes.I thought "eeew that is a bit gross" but later when you find that she was unknowingly a prototype for killing machines, it made a lot of sense. Pretty neat/clever foreshadowing, unless it is just a coincidence.
>>2920266>what about being utterly selfish bastard that doesn't put any value into lives of others is not possible to understandBut you aren't feeling those emotions yourself. For example, you read about someone who's parents died in a car accident, if you feel the same sadness as them because your own parents died as well or you can vividly imagine being very sad if your parents died then that is empathy.
>>2920266There's a lot of foreshadowing in that first flashback. Maxwell is clearly hyperfocused on the budget, Iris nonchalantly shows off her destructive Formula powers that appear to serve no regenerative purposes whatsoever, and they show everyone being gunned down when there's no way Yuri could have even done that. And then right after that flashback ends, you're introduced to a bunch of Iris's henchmen who all happen to make the exact same sound when they fire their weapons.
>>2920276Well I did immediately think "this is the bad guy" when I saw his face for the first time so it was a bit too obvious.
>>2920272well, with your reasoning you pretty much end up demanding that villians are good people.While that makes good plots if you manage to explain it (you pretty much have to introduce some impersonal evil, like Precia's insanity), that would be too limiting if every story had to be like that.That's why Detonation doing this thing by using Iris as the relateable antagonist and Maxwell as the asshole that is the reason why a good person is an antagonist, why that works really well. It didn't have to push the evil onto some impersonal principle which has been done few times in Nanoha, already, and so it is a good idea to change it now.
>>2920280It's extremely obvious but in a world where everything feels like it needs to show fully misleading flashbacks before they show ~the real truth~ that miraculously changes half of what happens because they obscured everything so the viewer couldn't call it, it's kind of welcome.
>>2920203>Basically Iris is in the end the exact thing Fate wasFuck no. Fate choose to follow Precia. She choose to be with her to the very end despite being explicitly told not to. All Iris did was being mindcontroled. She never acted on her own volition. Once the mindcontrol stopped she stopped being evil.
>>2920283Again, just because you experience the feelings doesn't mean you feel sympathetic towards the person's plight or that you have to find them morally correct. Betrayal is one of the most fundamental emotions many people can empathize with, that doesn't mean that most people would excuse any immoral action that results from the betrayal.i.e You feel the anger of someone who got cheated on but you still find it morally reprehensible if they murdered the cheater out of anger.
>>2920292>i.e You feel the anger of someone who got cheated on but you still find it morally reprehensible if they murdered the cheater out of anger.That sounds justified to me!
>>2920289>Fate choose to follow Precia. She choose to be with her to the very end despite being explicitly told not to.If you mean the thing just at the end, it was not even necessary. Bulk of Fate's story is simply her doing her mom's bidding. Sure, that is a choice, but the reason is still that she was her daugher - that is strong bond, enough to make you go against your conscience.>>2920289>All Iris did was being mindcontroled. She never acted on her own volition. Once the mindcontrol stopped she stopped being evil.Not true. She was conned, not mind-controlled. Different thing. The only time she starts to be mind controlled is when Kyrie comes to fight her. You can clearly see the transition. Up to that point, she was acting autonomously, the manipulation was just psychological/information-based.
>>2920201>He killed off all of his workers because he figured that was what was best for them as he was an unhinged person, which as bizarre and fucked up as it is shows that he did care about them to an extent.I think that justification for the killing was just bullshit he spewed out of being full-of-himself. He was not insane, so that can't stand. That faux excuse was just another sign of how he didn't give a shit about people. If he cared about them he wouldn't even utter that disrespecting sentence (much less do the actual deed, of course).
>>2920295It is necessary, it is the confirmation of Fate's feelings for her mother, something that is a big part of her character in every story she has been a part of. >The only time she starts to be mind controlled is when Kyrie comes to fight herChrono points out the mind control right after the evil scientist appears half way through the movie.
>>2920283It doesn't have anything to do with it being "personal" or not. Precia's "insanity" was not an outside influence. She wasn't incapable of making informed choices either like an actual insane person would be, she just abandoned all care for anything that wasn't Alicia.A better comparison would be if Precia wasn't evil all along, just controlled by the evil jewel seeds or some shit like that.>>2920295That makes it even worse because it completely invalidates all of Iris' drive for revenge and her willingness to destroy everything with a simple misunderstanding>"You killed my father and family">"I will bide my time and manipulate innocent girls for my plan for revenge">"I will make this innocent girl betray all her values, threaten to kill her family if she gets in my way">"I will make you, the target of my revenge, kill all your loved ones as well as completely unrelated innocent civilians in the thousands just to make you suffer">"Oh it was a misunderstanding?">"Jk nevermind lol, we still bffs right?"
>>2920312He does say it like that, but it's clear it's just indirect strings pulling at that point. The movie clearly shows the difference, when she is pushed to attack Kyrie against her will, there is that red BASIC in eyes effect exactly because they want to make that clear.When Kyrie shows her what really happened, she is clearly her own self.
>>2920315>"Oh it was a misunderstanding?">"Jk nevermind lol, we still bffs right?"Those are your words, not mine.What is hard to understand in her having responsibility for the things you listed above,even if she acted on false information (the first line of your greentext)?Being mislead doesn't take away your responsibility for things you do in reaction. There is no contradiction.
>>2920323>Being mislead doesn't take away your responsibility for things you do in reactionBut the movie acts like it does. She gets no punishment whatsoever besides maybe having house arrest on her planet where she can pick giant sweet potatoes with Iris and have a smug face in the ending photo while all the blame and punishment gets put on Maxwell.
>>2920327With Yuri I mean. Fuck. They basically just have the same name goddammit.
>>2919615I've started gathering translated bits, but haven't finished.https://mega.nz/#F!YMEC0YSD!q09wleClJMm8kCYkf-uLJAhttps://mega.nz/#F!1AVmxArL!x6WL4FraGCSwXNZ8KPeJ7g
>>2920319>just indirect strings pulling at that pointI wouldn't call rebuilding himself using her powers and taking over a faction of her robutt army indirect string pulling. Chrono makes it very clear she is not in control of her actions. Or what, was he wrong and she getting mind controlled at the end is just a coincidence?
>>2920336this doesn't necessarily mean she is actually "controlled" in the mental remote control manner
>>2920373Her old outfit was still better
>>2920374Yeah but the stance/look
>>2920373Glad I wasn't the only one who found that moment silly.>>2920374I've never been a fan of her GoD look, her new one is much cuter.>>2920307You don't have to be fully insane and out of control of your own actions to have a warped perspective of values. It's possible to see the world through a lens in which if you aren't doing something interesting or worthwhile, life isn't worth living.
>>2914965>>2915039https://mega.nz/#!uVgjWCwR!dowxLqV1E9pQnZ3hTbtU7--QOjyw4ga3nVeFAsvTLHM As promised, Part B. It probably won't interest many people here since it's all mechanical/setting details, but just in case anyone happened to want it and doesn't go to /m/, figured I'd cover this thread too.
Next thing in the Nanohaverse is likely gonna be StrikerS related
Oh no! Einhard is losing her title!
>>2923288That's an interesting choice of underwear.
>>2923288is that Cyclone
>>>/a/190416418I hope Ron releases his yet not public Vivid Life TLs one day.
>>2923288>>2923474>>2923459>is that Cyclonealso one of the people who like Force without any irony.
>>2924561That first volume was so fun, I'd love to see more.
>>2924597I need to see Einhart peeing on more vivids.
>>2924561>>2924597Maybe vivid translations could pick it up, since they have nothing left to translate now that Vivid is finished.
>>2924612that would be wasteful duplication of work if Ron has dome of the chapters translated and TSed already
>>2924632Wouldn't be the first time vivid translations does that.
>>2924632The only major release he made was of the first volume, if it means getting a consistent public release out there, starting from the second volume and working through that way is not a waste at all.
>>2924641Maybe the other isolated chapters that are out there should be upped to dynasty (anybody familiar with that/willing?) as a start.I have the Micaiah lezstripping chapter from vol3 (iirc?), and from volume 2 the bit with Schach waiting for Carim in the toilets and the longer chapter with Chantez multiplying. I could dump it here if somebody wants to up it to Dynasty?Unless Ron wants to up it at once some day and doesn't want pre-release old versions floating around.
>>2924675>Maybe the other isolated chapters that are out there should be upped to dynasty (anybody familiar with that/willing?) as a start.Dynasty hasn't uploaded the latest Nanofate doujins translated by /u/ either >>2914744 I thought everything uploaded to nanofate.us got uploaded to Dynasty, seems like someone isn't doing their job anymore.
>>2924567Those people exist?
>>2924888It's been getting a small amount of reappraisal in recent years, especially with bitch-kun out and about. MC aside, I do like the concept and characters of Force, and it even has some of my favorites.
>>2924891Makes you want bitchkun be a global entity and annoyed Japan and the creators into returning to Force.
I have a present for StrikerS friends. This is from her newest live bdhttps://files.catbox.moe/tg5fy1.webm
>>2925492AwwwwwwwI had to listen to all the classic openings and now down to S1/S2/StrikerS sound stage songs (Chiisana chikai and Endless Chain anybody?)BTW, I haven't noticed the songs in Reflection and Detonation songs much, despite B. insisting that they are the best yet (why of course). How do you find them? I guess they just weren't cut in very prominently.
>>2925535Hmm, this picture makes me wonder - should Signum and Shamal show such enthusiasm for booze? In the soundstages Signum is painted as somebody who can't keep with the actual alcoholics (admiral Letti mainly, Dr. Ishida) and sufffering greatly from that.Vivid Life remembered that and had Shamal and Signum painfully hangover (in the same bed) the morning after of NanoFate having a sleepover at Hayate's place.
>>2925492SECRET AMBITION is my personal favorite Nanoha OP so this is rad to hear, thanks for bringing it to attention. The live performances of it I've seen have had some nice twists to the song that make it even better to hear again.>>2925535Invisible Heat and Destiny's Prelude were both great and memorable, and I quite enjoyed Detonation's multiple insert songs even if NEVER SURRENDER was pretty lackluster. Mamoritai Sekai was absolutely goddamned perfect for the scene it plays in and still gives me some feels so that's probably my favorite song from both movies period. Even just the regular sound pieces from both films have a couple of high notes, especially Detonation's side of things. They really knocked it out of the park music-wise for Ref/Det in my opinion, the fact that a number of the insert songs got pushed over to the official soundtrack instead of more proper single releases doesn't do how good they are justice.
>no final IrisYuri scene with the cats as actual kidsHow do you just fucking ignore an opportunity like that.
>>2927159Hard limit of 1 hour 50 minute runtime will do that.
>>2927159I couldn't possibly care less, the whole movie was a mess.