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Bioware Thread: Mass Effect Legendary Edition.

Been replaying the series, it has me on a Bioware kick again reliving the glory days of the studio.
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Took a look at ME1 LE (the only one remotely worth it), but I couldn't see the difference. What did they do?
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Nothing worth while I'd say. Updated some graphical things, And the importing of saves seems more efficient making your Shepard's story seem more seamless.
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>>3466755
Graphics are updated and mostly quality of life changes, like killing units with the mako now gives full xp so you no longer have to get the killing blow on foot, the new leveling system is quite nice and they changed some weapons to be counterparts of the ones used in ME2/3.
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>>3466755
Ow and they finally added in headshot multipliers making combat easier and therefor not as clunky.
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>425x603
What did she mean by this?
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I like DA better
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>>3466792
Ah, Merrill. The patrician's choice of DA2's /u/ romance.
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>>3466752
Jackanda is the best ME ship, you can't prove me wrong.
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>>3466912
> you can't prove me wrong.
Fshep/Aria
Done.
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>>3466752
I hope ME4 will let us play as Shepard child, which gender if male or female hooked up with Liara would be always Asari female as result, or a choice of male or female if human pairing would be choosen in some prestory questions since human Shepard can't have kids with anyone else than Asari or human partner.
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>>3467209
>ME
>playing as a non-human
lmao I wish
>inb4 muhltyplayer ME3
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>>3467209
This.
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>>3467209
>I hope ME4
has a story that doesn't suck hairy balls.
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Well be lucky if we get any story. Current trends in AAA gaming indicate it will probably a terrible life service grind.
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Yikes
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>We'll never get to play an Asari seducing all the impressionable young alien girls.
It sucks, doesn't it.
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I can't.
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>>3466912
Totally canon.
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>>3466800
>The patrician's choice of DA2's /u/ romance.
Too bad you can't romance your sister. Now that'd be patrician.
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>>3466755
if you couldn't see the difference between ME1 and ME1 LE you seriously haven't played ME1 in a long time
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>>3466755
I finished ME1LE a few days ago and honestly it wasn't very fun, combat was bleh, the galaxy felt simultaneously cramped and bloated with pointless planets, exploring with the Mako felt pretty damn boring knowing that 80% of all you find is worthless minerals and filler quests of no importance whose reactivity in 2 and 3 is literally just some news headlines. I skipped most of that stuff and went through the critical path only.

Started ME2 and it already feels a lot better both in terms of gameplay and in making me want to explore around/do quests for their own sake.

Is there any comprehensive guide out there to all the ME /u/ scenes and characters available? I played ME1 and part of 2 at release but never any of the DLCs, 3 or the second half of 2. And also I forgot most of what happened in the 10 years since ME2 released. I know you can flirt with a bunch of chicks but I have no idea which ones are 'real' romances, which are flings and which don't get past flirting. I also dunno if there are any non-romance /u/ scenes with minor characters or whatever.

In particular I don't have any idea what does/doesn't lock you into a route/ruin your romance with someone else, and I'm liable to pick all flirting options. Did the originals have any kind of multiromance mod that let you progress many at the same time? I imagine no such mod is available in LE yet either way, but still would be nice to know.
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>>3475635
No multi-romance mod as far as I know , and most of the mod as a whole aren't ported yet to LE , though there's plans to port several lesbian romance mod.

As for ME2 /u/ content , i think you can rekindle with Liara in Shadow Broker DLC , have a fling with your secretary with a private danse scene in your captain's room that sadly does not go further into a full romance in ME3 , and you can romance Samara though I wouldn't recommend it as there's not much.

I think femshep can also get some kiss on the cheek depending on some quest/sidequests from ME1
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>>3475635
In terms of u/ related content in ME2 there is actually no romance that actually counts as real romance (at least you dind't get the achievement for any of the girls you could hook up with in the old ME2. I'm not sure if that canged in the LE). Anyways here is the u/ content in ME2:

You can continiously flirt with Kelly chambers who is a member of your ships crew but no companion. If you don't mess up in the main quest this will end in a fling, but nothing too serious. If she survives the game you may actually enter a proper romance with her in ME3 (but it's dissapointingly short there as well)

Shepard may also rekindle her relationship with Liara during the Lair of the Shadow broker DLC if she was romanced in ME1.

You can flirt with Samara a few times (If you play as paragon. If you play as renegade she doesn't loke you very much), but despite liking Shepard she will ultimately turn you down in favor of her Justicar code. If you do not romance anyone else during ME2 and three you can get 2 or so romantic scene with her during ME3 and the ME3 Citadel DLC.

Also on the less pleasant side Smaras Sidequest is about tracking down a Asari serial killer that you may also try to sleep with (although doing so is a serious case of being too dumb to live).

If you saved Shiala and the Feros clonists in ME1 you can meet Shiala again and she will flirt with you, but nothing will come of it.
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In ME3 there is two full u/ romances.

The first one is Liara again. If you romanced her in ME1 and ME2 you get a few more lines I think but you can also start romancing her in ME3 without already having a relationship with her prior.

The second one is the new character Samantha Traynor who has a IMO pretty cute and pretty decent romantic arc.

As mentioned before you can also expand your fling from ME2 with Kelly into a very short actual romance and get some romantic scenes with Samara if you sucessfully flirted with her in ME2 and didn't hook up with anyone else.

As for flings: You can have one with Diana Allers your on board journalist.

The Citadel DLCs adds some scenes for every romatic option (Liara, Samantha and Samara) as well as more flirting with them during a get together with all of Shepards companions and friends.

The Omega DLC may end with Shepard getting a kiss from Asari crime boss Aria T'Loak but only if you take all the renegade choices.
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Reject modernity. Return to tradition
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Thanks for the details anon.

Does any of the 'flirting but nothing comes of it' content ruin Liara's romance? I imagine since none of the other ones start proper until 3, nothing I do with other women in 2 would be a problem for those.
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>>3472704
I mean isn’t already confirmed DA4 will be Anthem but dragons? I heard they walked it back but then walked back the walk back.

Part of the reason it’s so hard to re play the DA series knowing where it’s probably heading.

Ironically it’s a live service that’s been filling the gap namely ff14 for me. But other than buying the game and the subscription all the stuff I want is obtainable in game.(except for Yuma’s summoner outfit)

Speaking of summoner I wonder if we’ll ever see an improvement on necromacer from Inquisition. Having the spirit paled in comparison to just having wisps spam lasers.
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>>3466792
Merrill's is my favorite romance in any of the Bioware games. I also loved her accent.
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>>3475635
>I finished ME1LE a few days ago and honestly it wasn't very fun, combat was bleh, the galaxy felt simultaneously cramped and bloated with pointless planets, exploring with the Mako felt pretty damn boring knowing that 80% of all you find is worthless minerals and filler quests of no importance whose reactivity in 2 and 3 is literally just some news headlines. I skipped most of that stuff and went through the critical path only.
Wow, pleb alert.
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>>3466912
*blocks your path
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>>3475784
I can not say for certain because I never tried flirting with other women when doing a Liara romance run. I think not, but I can't say with certainty. Also again I only ever played the original ME games with all DLC installed so I do not know wether there were any changes in the legendary edition.
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>>3475940
If we are extremely luky maybe it will be less like Athem and more like SWTOR, which has some surpisingly decent story content from time to time.
Also Lana is cute.
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Why not both?
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>>3476217
Yeah, Merrill is great.
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>>3476463
>more like SWTOR
let's hope. Apparently they announced a remake of KOTOR that would be more "user friendly", suggesting they go from the original turn-based combat to something more action oriented like fallen order.

they don't seem like they're interested in RPGs anymore.

still, now they've remastered ME and KOTOR, I fucking hope they'll resurrect jade empire.
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bethany romance when?!
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>>3476479
Probably never unfortunately.
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>>3475728
Reminder that the reason why there is no same-sex relations in ME2 is because Fox News bitched about it
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>>3476511

This is also why The Old Republic had multiple romances that could all end in marriage and also side nookie options but all strictly het until the expansions
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>>3476511
tbqh, while Fox being pathetic faggots didn't help i always got the vibe that the monkeys writing ME where complete 2000s dudebros that always had to have an easy no-homo denial of gay stuff overall.
The tumblr gay briggade was in the Dragon Age games, the ME where just douches.
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>>3476553
>The tumblr gay briggade
I miss those times.
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>>3476469
>Jade Empire
Ah, you reminded me of the time when I obsessively trawled the net for information on a sequel. These days, I don't even want it to happen.
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Too bad i never completed the Merrill romance. Every time I tried and started a new game I'd be seduced by the pirate booty again.
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Respectable. Isabela is pretty great too.
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>>3477343
I've only romanced Isabela once. It's hard to romance someone who constantly talks about how many men she fucks.
And doesn't Inquisition say that she's in an "open relationship" ,or something like that, with Hawke if you romance her?
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>>3476830
What you don’t want a live service filled game with micro transactions with the romance episode locked behind a pay wall?

Or the one lesbian romance written by that one writer who should have been fired because his angsty characters are no where near as romanced as he thinks they are ie the guy who wrote Carver, Sera, and Liam?

Side note I like Sera or rather the idea of her being one of the first truly uneducated characters with a “cemented view” of the world but she didn’t undergo any character development until the dlc.
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>>3477533
*nuanced not romanced sorry.
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>>3477533
Sera is based.
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>>3477508
I was peeved by her attitude too but I guess that's the gap charm of her losing her whoredom to be with Hawke. I never finished inquisition but I know in the da2 dlc she is only jealous if she's with female hawke. By the end of the dlc she becomes open to the idea of sharing Hawke with other women if thats what Hawke wants. She doesn't see other people but Hawke does is what the dlc implied. So I guess she becomes a cuckquean once you romance her.
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>>3477535
too bad she looks like a goblin. can't believe no one pulled a fucking mod for that.
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>>3478075
>>>/v/
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>>3466755
>not at least replaying ME2, by far the best in the series

You’re missing out.
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>>3478082
ME2 is definitely not the best. Not only does it have no proper /u/ content, alot of the problems with ME3 and the franchise as a whole started with 2.
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>>3476511
Not quite, they were planning m/m gay romance in ME1 but they chickened out and then Fox news pushed the decision over the edge to not include any lesbian romance either, despite Jack explicitly introducing herself as bisexual and openly flirts with you.
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>>3466792
Default female Hawke is so good looking it's fucking weird how Bioware makes Male Hawke canon somehow.

The amount of effort between the two is staggering.
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>>3478117
>alot of the problems with ME3 and the franchise as a whole started with 2.

Mostly because 2 was completely irrelevant to anything. And 3 was just insane shit overall.
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>>3478179
I've watched some footage from MELE and the same is true for Shepard, male Shepard looks like a psychopath
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>>3478262
>stick figure "soldier"
>good looking
Whut?
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>>3478264
>stick figure
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>>3478266
>>stick figure
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Why is there basically no Miranda porn, I don't want more Liara or Jack, reeeeee
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>>3475635
Theres nothing to explore in ME2
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>>3490718
There's no way asari have pubes.
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>>3491015
Have you checked, tho?
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>>3476479
Any time now...
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Any decent fics in, say, the last year or so?
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>>3475728
I must have forgotten but why exactly did Bioware cut the Ashley lesbian stuff out of 3? Considering they left the Kaiden stuff in? I don't think it was an actress not wanting it thing given there's fully voiced and animated scenes for it going back to Mass Effect 1 buried in the code
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>>3496551
Because no one likes Ashley.
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>>3496562
funny, most popularity lists I've seen have Kaiden fighting Jacob for the most unpopular(non Andromeda) companion
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>>3496567
It's because when playing Femshep in 1 if you speak to Kaiden as a friend too many times he just comes onto you. And since they cut his gay romance for maleshep, it feels really gay to talk to him so most people just let him die on Virmire.

I let him live for the first time ever through a recent playthrough, he's a complete fucking dork
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>>3496583
interestingly he does the same thing for male shep in ME3, and acts butthurt if you turn him down, so I guess it's consistent
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>>3496562
>source: my opinion projected on everyone
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>>3496551
Pretty sure Ashley was always planned as het only in ME3, I don't remember anything about her ever being considered a yuri option that ultimately got cut. Kaidan only ever became a yaoi option because maleShep only had one.

And the recorded lines in ME1 were only those of Shepard, not Ashley/Kaidan. Apparently these were "workaround for a programming issue" rather than the remnant of cut gay romances.
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>>3496927
Not to mention Ash is a god fearing chrisitian, so I doubt shed be a lesbian. But she doesn't seem the type to be an irrational homophobe.
If FemShep asked her out shed probably be incredibly awkward
>Uh, Sorry, Skipper... I'm not... I was raised, no... It's fine that you are, but... I'm flattered! But, no. Sorry to let you down like that Skipper.
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>>3466752
Even though Andromeda is shit, Vetra is the best girl in all four games.
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>>3466912
Jack is too good for Miranda
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>>3503681
I thought this board was for yuri only?
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>>3504450
It is. Which is why those images are also yuri.
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>>3504473
I don't know the blonde person in this looks very male.
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>>3504477
If only someone also posted the link to the source along the image where anyone could see the artist called the blond woman she/her.
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>>3504844
>what the artist called it doesn't matter
It's the only thing that matters. If the artist says it's a woman, it's a woman, no matter how masculine she looks or how much dumb femmefags like you are mad about it.
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I like the potential of Sera a whole lot, I just wish she'd had a better writer. Or at least one who didn't seem to outright hate her.
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>>3518960
>I just wish she'd had a better writer. Or at least one who didn't seem to outright hate her.
A lesbian character who's treated with respect? In a Bioware game? Not on Lukas Kristjanson's watch.
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>>3504446
yeah, best at never shutting the fuck up about her sister, holy shit what a one note shit character
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>>3518984
I think the writers at Bioware actually HATE lesbians. The best girls are unromancable, and the ones that are are either last moment add-ons or trash.
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>only one reply mentioning Traynor
Why do people dislike her? Imagine what she can do with that toothbrush.
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>>3520778
>Why do people dislike her?
They do?
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>>3520778
Nobody dislikes Traynor, that would require them to care about her at all.
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>>3520778
What >>3521014 said. She's literally an NPC.
I'm sure had she been introduced in ME1, or even ME2, she could have been and developed into an actual character we could care about. Instead, she's a generic background NPC that was introduced (and probably created!) at the 11th hour.
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>>3520778
I do like her, but she really was a rather late addition. And Kelly was better.
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>>3521299
How?
I know I'm weak to sexy brown nerds with hot accents but Kelly was so dull.
Her useful function gets replaced by an item you can buy in a store in the third game.
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>>3521327
She was cute and kind. That's enough for me.
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>>3520773
It doesn't help that the vocal majority of the online fandom itself also doesn't like lesbians, being 80% comprised of gay men and straight women.
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>>3520773
>I think the writers at Bioware actually HATE lesbians.
I don't think so. They're just plain incompetent in general. The rest of the "relationships" (and especially the game plot itself) aren't even half decently written.
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>>3466752
FemShep/Liara. My OTP.
I hope whoever got rid of the Female Shepard tag on FFN.net dies.
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>>3538062
>whoever got rid of the Female Shepard tag on FFN.net
wut
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>>3538067
On Fanfiction.net you used to be able to select Shepard(F) or Shepard(M) but now its just Shepard and has fucked up countless of works by putting Jon Grissom's name in the tag bar.
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>>3538096
Lmao, wtf were they thinking?
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>>3538398

The idea was actually to punish Male Shepard players and establish Female Shepard as the default one. It ended up backfiring lol
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>>3538617
>The idea was actually to punish Male Shepard players and establish Female Shepard as the default one.
I call bullshit. Prove me wrong. Citation?
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>>3538617
>The idea was actually to punish Male Shepard players and establish Female Shepard as the default one.
The idea is good. I fully support it.
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This MOD works well for romancing Miranda or Jack as FemShep in both ME2 & ME3: https://www.nexusmods.com/masseffectlegendaryedition/mods/489

More Gay Romances is a mod for Mass Effect: Legendary Edition that adds more same-gender romance options to the game. As of this version, Miranda and Jack have been added as romance options for FemShep in LE2 & LE3.

Originally, many Mass Effect squadmates were intended to be romance options for both BroShep and FemShep. At some point in development, this decision was changed and many romance options were restricted to either BroShep or FemShep. As a result, many same-gender romances were left cut and unfinished.

More Gay Romances uses a combination of cut content and re-purposed dialogue to deliver fully voiced gay romances with Miranda and Jack. While there is a fair amount of cut content in the game files for these romances, there is also quite a bit of dialogue that was left unvoiced. To address this problem, this mod re-purposes dialogue from other areas of the game to fill in for any unvoiced dialogue. This mod also touches up many gestures and face animations that were left unfinished and janky.

This mod can be installed at any point during the game, but you will still need to follow all the normal rules for romancing a squadmate. If you lose a squadmate's loyalty, they will break up with you. If you have fully romanced another squadmate already, the new squadmate will not be interested until you have broken up with the first. If you break up with a squadmate, you will be locked out of their romance for the rest of your current playthrough.
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>>3548444
>You must be logged in to download files
What the fuck? Since when is this shit a thing?
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>>3548465
Not sure what you a whining about? Needing to have a free account on Nexusmod to download? The horror!
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>>3548885
>valid criticism is "whining
Idiot. You didn't need to have an account to download from there 5-8 years ago. So yes, I am gonna criticize the downgrade.
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A long time, really. 2 years, or so.
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>2 years
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>>3548901
Now you are just acting like an entitled little brat bitch. Boo-Hoo.

Are you currently on the floor kicking and screaming because you need an extra step to get free content that ppl have made for you?
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I'm on her side, you sound like an asshole.
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>>3568827
Is it really canon Sera only prefers female Qunaris? When I played Dragon Age, I was a female human and I thought she only joked about female Qunaris when we were with Iron Bull, but looking at all this art I think the romance with her as a human is only a fantasy and she wouldn't really go for a human when she has the chance with a Qunari. It's a bit heartbreaking.
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>>3568859
>only prefers female Qunaris
I'm pretty sure I've seen LPs where female Elf romanced her. But I do think she finds fq the hottest.
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>>3568827
She should have had a better writer, then. And Bioware needs a head writer that doesn't hate lesbians.

I've said it before and i'll say it again, i'm glad that cunt Gaider is gone. As long as he was around there was no chance of lesbians getting a good character. Can't have (truly) independent women upstage the men, can we?
Now, there's only slim chance, because Bioware as a whole doesn't like lesbians. *cough*Andromeda!*cough* But a slim chance is better than no chance.
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>>3569013
Attractive lesbians are considered male pandering, you know this.
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>>3569025
The appearance of Bioware's lesbian characters aren't the problem, though. Or at least the smallest part. Beauty being generally subjective and all.

My problem with BW's f/f romances are, in no particular order:

1. They're always either femme or femme side of the spectrum.
2. They're always either side or even joke character and always the least relevant to the plot, don't get any screentime and/or can be missed entirely.
3. They're alwaysphysically weak and cowardly classes like rogues or even more pathetic npcs.
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>>3569025
It is male pandering, especially since the loaded and intentionally vague "attractive" almost always means feminine and otherwise aimed at men. They sure as hell don't refer to butch lesbians as "attractive", cause they're straight dudes and mad at a lesbian character not pandering to their dicks.
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If only some portrayals were the only problem with Bioware games....
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>>3569013
>Gaider
Idk. I mean, don't get me wrong I do hate Gaider as much as the next lesbian DA fan, but I think as bad as he was the biggest lesbian and women in general hater in Bioware by far is/was? Lukas Kristjanson, known for such greatest hits as Sera, as well as Leliana/Marjolane, Branka and some others.

Assuming he's still on board I wouldn't expect lesbians in Bioware games to be treated better even with gaydar gone.
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>>3569187
Yeah, let’s not forget that it’s literally written in law that women can’t like other feminine women.
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>>3569193
>strawman
See, this is why it's obvous who you are and what you're really after.
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>>3569192
True, and Lukas should be forever banned from ever writing lesbian characters again.
But as the head writer, Gaider had the power to veto or at least restrain him, but didn't and probably even encouraged it.
Had Lukas been writing a male character, I guarantee that Gaider would have stepped in.
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>>3569187
DA:I Cassandra is popular and straight.
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>>3569267
>and straight
hmmm...
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>>3569269
I'm just saying that "feminine Miss Ferelden pageant winner = for men" and "bald muscle Qunari eats bricks and rapes her defeated enemies dead bodies to prove her homosexuality = for lesbians" is a limiting point of view.
Let's not forget that Iron Bull and Dorian are extremely bland gay charicatures, even if the latter has a fun personality to augment his entire story being "wahh daddy doesn't like me being gay". Seriously, it's fine to call Sera a shit character, but Dorian is an overdone one note gay trope. (I still would have taken and enjoyed a flirty Dorietta, just saying.)
What the series needs is better writers all around.
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>>3569270
>feminine Miss Ferelden pageant winner = for men
That's literally what it is 99% of the time. That's how marketing works. if you think even for a second that lesbians and our taste come up are anything but a throwaway fetish thought during the female character design process then I don't know what to tell you.
>it's fine to call Sera a shit character
It's fine to be wrong, too.
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>>3569263
Well, when you put it that way.
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>>3569274
Da

But Sera, at least Vanilla!Sera, IS a shit character, though.
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>>3569283
>Da
idk what that means

>But Sera, at least Vanilla!Sera, IS a shit character, though.
Ultimately, I disagree. But I'm not gonna keep arguing about it.
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There are very few actual characters and much fewer good characters in Bioware's lineup.
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>>3569274
>>3569208
We shouldn’t celebrate ugly characters
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>>3569297
Disagree. Not only in principle but also on what is and isn't "ugly".
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>>3569308
It's funny how you sound like the target audience of Bioware.
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>>3569308
You need to stop seeking male approval. If you like something, enjoy it. Don't let the fact that men may view it in a certain way make you feel ashamed and indignant, which you clearly are when it comes to "feminine" lesbians.
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>>3569484
>You need to stop seeking male approval
Seeing as I'm a butch lesbian, that comes with a package by default.

The rest is way off the mark but funny in a "reaching too hard" absurd kinda way.
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>>3569524
There is obviously have a mental block in your head that you won’t admit. You crave ugly characters that the mainstream take “seriously” and don’t view as sex objects.
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>>3569544
>create a caricature versions of a stranger on the internet
>ascribe specific traits and motivations to that caricature
>armchair psychoanalize the traits and motivations you ascribed to the caricatures you yourself made up pretending it accurately represent the real person you know nothing about
>clearly revealing what board you're really from in the process
3/10, got me to reply.
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>>3569566
I've been here since 2008~2009, since the first shitty fanfic thread we had, since the days we'd end up with only a couple pages of threads after a spam purge. You wanna be one of those Korra refugees that scream boogeyman the moment someone upsets you, be my guest. But it doesn't change the fact that the reason you want "ugly" characters is really obvious and plain to see.
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People have to get the "Butch=Ugly Femme=Pretty" mentality out of their head.
The Betch-Femme spectrum and the Attractive-Unattractive spectrum are separate things.

Now, let's take a look at the F/F romances across Bioware's games:

>Mass Effect 1
Liara - Femme

>Mass Effect 2
None without importing a ME1 save. Kelly (a femme) doesn't give you an achievement and is basically just a tiny bonus.

>Mass Effect 3.
Liara - Femme
Samantha Traynor - Femme, NPC

>Mass Effect Andromeda
Peebee - Femme
Vetra - Big Bird's great-great-granddaughter
Suvi* - Femme, NPC

>Dragon Age Origins
Leliana - Femme, Rogue

>Dragon Age II
Isabela - Femme, Rogue
Merrill - Femme, Mage

>Dragon Age Inquisition
Sera - Femme**, Rogue
Josephine - Femme, NPC

>Dragon Age 4
It's either going to be a femme rogue (45%), a femme npc (45%) or a femme mage (10%).

Notice a pattern?


>*Was also originally Bisexual. There were no intended lesbian romance in Andromeda.
>**You could argue that Sera is a tomboy. But that is only by superficial appearance and behaviour, which are more about her being juvenile than anything else. Everything else about her is 100% femme.
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>>3569570
>I've been here since 2008~2009
2007 here. Cope.
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>>3466755
Guns got a small overhaul, there are a few different types now. Semi-auto assault rifles, low-power but rapid fire snipers, shotguns that fire slugs, stuff like that. You have to read the descriptions.
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>>3569738
What about Juhani? Don't be forgetting my girl Juhani.
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>>3569992
Juhani - Femme
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>>3569738
Then other romance options in those games aren’t varied either, just a bunch of Barbies and Kens too. This is like hitching about a Michael Bay summer popcorn movie not featuring enough fat and old people like it’s an indie film with Oscars aspirations
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>>3570038
The fact that straight dudes got to romance Cassandra, Jack, Cora, etc. disproves your point.
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>>3570062
Wow, a shorter hairdo is all it takes to strip away all femininity from those characters? Maybe you are the one who should rethink about how you view women.
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>>3570065
It ain't just the haircut, moron.
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>>3569738
>You could argue that Sera is a tomboy
Only if one's definition of a tomboy and a femme are identical.
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>>3570078
At first glance she could be mistaken for one.
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>>3570167
I guess. Pretty big mistake, tho.
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>>3570073
Cassandra loves trashy chick lit, that's probably the most girly shit one of the Dragon Age ladies had since Leliana gushing about pretty flowers.

>>3569738
It's funny considering the majority on that list also fuck guys.
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>>3570668
>Cassandra has a a feminine trait.
>Therefore she is also femme!

Okay, we'll shorten the list to just lesbian characters, if you think that will help with whatever argument you're trying to make.

>Juhani.
Femme.
>Samantha Traynor.
Femme.
>Sera.
Femme.
>Suvi Anwar.
Femme.

You're an idiot.
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>>3570689
>>Samantha Traynor.
>Femme.
>>Sera.
>Femme.
>>Suvi Anwar.
I don't know the rest of them, but those three are 100% femmes, so I'm not sure I'm getting the point you're trying to make here.
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>>3570689
How do you define a femme? Anything that isn't "draw a man call it a woman"?
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>>3570702
Yes, they are femmes. That's why they were listed as femmes.
Pay attention, imouto.

>3570689
Here's your (You), I hope you like it.
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>>3570889
Oh, bugger! I mess up the reply! Too easy to mix up the numbers!
Well, I guess 3570801 won't be getting their (You).
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>>3570889
I'm confused what people are arguing about in this convo, then.
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>>3570895
I'm not quite sure myself at this point anymore.
But going back to the beginning, the point that was being made is that pretty much every f/f option in Bioware's games have been femmes. Making this point and wishing for a butch LI for a change will attract the attention of anti-butch trolls/handmaidens.
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>>3571212
>pretty much every f/f option in Bioware's games have been femmes
Not pretty much, literally every f/f LI is a 100% certified femme. That's undeniable.

>Making this point and wishing for a butch LI for a change will attract the attention of anti-butch trolls/handmaidens.
We're on the same page, then.
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The fact that FemQuisitor/Cassandra is more popular, by quite a margin, than FemQuisitor/Sera just shows how far off the mark Bioware is and that Sera fans and defenders are a minority.

Funnily enough, alot of Sera defenders don't actually, or rarely, romance her.
I suppose it's easier to defend someone when you aren't forced to put up with them.
And I wish some idiots would stop saying she's a well written character. She isn't. She was specifically, first and foremost, written to be annoying and any depth she has is superficial. She has some implied depth, but you are never allowed to explore those supposed depths in any meaningful way. Which in a character focused game like DA is a big failure.
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>>3571900
>Funnily enough, alot of Sera defenders don't actually, or rarely, romance her.
I was actually going to give your obviously full of made up bullshit post a chance until I got to this part. Srrt.
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>>3572053
Get off /u/, Lukas.
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>>3572176
>discarding a blatant anti-lesbian troll post
>Lukas
You don't know what you're talking about, do you? Don't bother answering, It's obvious. Have a (You), I guess.
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>>3572284
Anti-Sera =/= Anti-Lesbian

Being pro-Sera is more anti-lesbian. Lesbians deserve better than Sera.
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>3572332
>Being pro-Sera is more anti-lesbian
I'm insulted by this low-effort shitpost.
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>>3572400
Sera is a bad character. She was written to be annoying. Bioware knew what they were doing, as she is the only character that can be kicked out at any time.
How is that not anti-lesbian?
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>>3572664
>she is the only character that can be kicked out at any time
That's because she was written by L*kas, the notorious lesbophobe and misogynist. Her being treated like shit by the writer doesn't make her a bad character or anti-lesbian. This is the last (You) I'm giving you, fag.
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>>3572926
She written to be bad. She wasn't "treated like shit", she was shit by design. Everything was deliberate. She is an anti-lesbian character at her very core.
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>>3472704
after all this time I still can't tell if Miranda is attractive or not
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>>3571900
Sera is so bad I romanced the guy with the beard instead
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imma be honest, videogame relationships that let you choose a part member to romance are kinda bad. It works if there is only 1 person your character is written to get with, but the game having to account for too many options ultimately results in a watered-down experience. All my Shepards have ben Vocel these days and it really feels more natural, like the romances were always just tacked on.
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>>3569738
u mean the Asari-boo isn't a lesbian? Color me actually shocked.
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>>3570069
welcome to the Bioware hole
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>>3573923
Instead of having to commit to one main squeeze who is a part of your party (kinda unprofessional for someone with the rank of commander, even as a Specter) I'd have liked it if you could peruse relationships outside of your crew.

I liked the relationship a lot more when she was off being the Shadowbroker in 2 and I could only visit her from time to time. Made the relationship that much more special.

Think it actually raises the narrative steaks for your love to not be some sort of elite killing machine you can always watch over at your base. Instead they are part of the world your are fighting to protect. Like in Fable 2 where your wife and child are killed by the main villian and there is nothing you can do about it; really gives you the motivation to go after the guy.
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Andromeda ever got improved? Kinda interested in Vetra
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>>3574027
Yes and no. The most egregious animations were fixed but it's still mostly the same game. I can't account for your tastes, but I know I didn't enjoy my time playing. That said, the story isn't too bad, and I think Vetra has the best romance.
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I regret the old Baldur's Gate games were too soon for good yuri content.
15 years later I found people ship Aerie with Imoen and I agree. Saniika was ahead of the future.



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