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It's here, girls. And its got goggles galore.
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I just watched 3.0+1.0, and wow, it can't be described in words how bad it is, both in a general way and in a /u/ way.
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>>3517496
Are you me? Cause I just watched it too and my head hurts from this pretentious shit. There's no consolation prize, especially for an AsuRei shipper like me.
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>>3517497
i gave up AsuRei when 3.0 came out, but i was fine with a (back then very likely) Mari Asuka ship. However Anno literally spits in the face of pretty much all shippers

>and my head hurts from this pretentious shit
pretty much my opinion, so i guess i am you
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>>3517500
No words can accurately describe my experience with this movie, to be perfectly honest. I hated it from the first moment with Shinji's yellings and up to the end. And the way Asuka was treated throughout the movie, goddamn, Anno made clear that he hated Asuka, huh?
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Did they do our girl dirty? I don't have any expectations for the rest, but I'll be mad if they did something stupid like have Maya end up with a guy or something.
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>>3517504
you don't have to worry about that, she only exist in the movie to say random science bullshit and nothing else.
She and Ritsuko both survive though. So fanfiction can at least cover this relationship
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>>3517386
Just let this shit die in the 90s where it belongs.
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>>3517386
>And its got goggles galore.
What? I basically dropped the ship after spoilers for the movie showed that Mari got together with fucking Shinji. This stings expecially because Mari from what I recall seemed to have feelings for Shinji's mom that got transplanted to Shinji apparently. Also Asuka gets with Kensuke, so it's pretty much a bilateral fuck over of the ship.
I couldn't care less about Rei.
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Wait, people are surprised this turned out het? Why? How?
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>>3517496
Its pretty bad in a /u/ way but I really thought the first half was pretty incredible. Then the futile EoE one-upping in the second half soured that a bit.
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>>3517504
>Did they do our girls dirty?
Every single one of them. Classic Evanjellyon.
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>>3517626
I was hoping for an ending that was more open to interpretation and not so concretely het. I didn't have any real delusions that this was going to go full yuri.
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>>3517626
Nobody is surprised about anything about this shit, downright to ending in absolutely hack storytelling from one of the biggest hacks on any industry in the history of anything.
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Does this at least have good robot fights and music? The last one had a stupid story that made no sense but it had some cool ass robots and music.
Where can I even watch the movie?
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>>3517503
Anno just hates all otaku in general just in case End of Eva didn't make that crystal clear.
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>>3517770
I don't get the hate with EoE, I thought it was the perfect ending to the story. A happy ending would have felt fake and forced with how depressing the rest of the show was.
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>>3517773
True, but otaku fully expected a happy ending. When the anime didn't deliver a happy ending, Gainax got flooded with hate mail and death threats. As a response, EoE doubled down on the BAD END and started a trend of increasingly open hostility to eva fans.

The Asuka/Mari bait was originally intended as a fuck you to anyone who shipped Asuka with Shinji. However, that had the undesired effect of most fans settling on Shinji/Rei and Asuka/Mari as an acceptable outcome.
The fans being happy at all did not sit well with him and this time he successfully found the perfect way to make sure nobody is happy.

TL:DR Anno hates eva fans and only makes more eva movies because they keep buying it.
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>>3517780
I gotta respect that, honestly.
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>>3517773
End of Eva does have a happy ending but also a harsh one. The climax is Rei preventing any of the sinister versions of third impact that Gendo or SEELEE were planning and putting the choice into Shinji's hands, and Shinji after experiencing what being Sunny D is like making the choice to allow humans, himself included, to return to their bodies if they want to. He is making the choice to live in reality, which for him is hopeful, but it also entails having to work to rebuild the world and being stuck with people who hate him like Asuka. I actually think the more straightforward parts of 3.0 + 1.0 were a great follow-up to this, as you see Shinji actually having to live in a post Near 3rd impact world, learn to take responsibility, and make up with Asuka.
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>>3517780
>TL:DR Anno hates eva fans and only makes more eva movies because they keep buying it.

There's also another interpretation where Anno is using the Rebuild movies as therapy for his life which worked like a charm as he is far more happy now than when EoE came out.
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>>3518094
That might have worked for the first two movies, but the production of 3.0. was such a mess that Anno slipped back into depression, which is why that movie turned out the way it did and was nothing like the preview.
4.0. is probably just Anno taking a load off his shoulders and e telling everyone he's done with this shit.
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>>3517386
I’m just wondering why Asuka all of a sudden cares for Kensuke and calls him Kenken all of sudden? Shit came out of nowhere.
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>>3518358
Ken Ken is just a Pen Pen surrogate. The poor penguin must be dead by now and his children aren't miserable and alone so Asuka has no interest in them. It's probably not possible to have a cat or something like that on the Wunder.
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>>3517624
The Sadamoto's one-shot isn't canon. Sadamoto himself stated it
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People always say "The reason why isn't many yuri ships/ or lacks in popularity is because there isn't many show with a large and good cast of female characters." But then you look at Evangelion and there is barely anything about it, call me wrong but if you look at the interation between and how many times you see them together in promotion or merchandasing then if you genderbend this character (asuka,rei,misato) then it they probably going to be shipped more often.
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>>3520665
>yaoi is bigger than yuri
In other news, water is wet.
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>>3520670
I mean supposedly the reason why yuri isn't big is because of the reason i say before, but if those type of exist then what is the lack of yuri?
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>>3520678
The bottom line is the patriarchy Men can define themselves without women but women can't define themselves without men. Women are a man's accesory. That's surface level because then there's Confucianism stating a woman's place is the private sphere while a man's place is the public sphere (doing shit). And then there's Japan's long proud history of men loving boys, introduced first by Buddhist monks at the 8th century but entusiastically adopted by samurais. The wakashu (passive boy) was the ancestor of the bishounen and Japan's obsession with youthful beauty. Women were just too inferior to matter. They were just baby factories. The real love was between two men. And then there was the homoerotic fascism promoted by the Japanese empire with roots on the samurai tradition. Women were a nuissance for manly men looking for manly activities at the service of the emperor (Class S was a by-product of the mindset because Japanese teen girls wanted to live the romantic escapades from western romantic novels but teen boys were too busy working for the empire). And then there was Japan adopting the rough masculinity of the west because western colonialism and especially the great defeat left them unprotected and westerners mocked japs for being half-men, and still do, so the only solution was to overcompensate by being a macho like Toshiro Mifune. Women only existed to be slapped or raped. This environment facilitates the birth of yaoi as an erotic genre for women while men endlessly jerk-off with fatsos raping schoolgirls. Yuri just didn't have a place. It didn't reaffirm Japanese men's masculinity and Japanese women already see themselves as second banana compared to men. See shoujo
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Just watched the movie.
It was fucking awful.
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>>3520961
Why always yuri take the el L?
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>>3520678
The yaoi is more popular because staright girls love it. And those who create most shipping content are women. It's not complicated. There's more fujoshits than yuri fans. Be it men or lesbians.
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>>3520961
Pretty much this.
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>>3517626
everyone could have expected a shinji het ending(implied or stated), but it would be with either Rei or Asuka. (and the previous movies seemed to go for a Rei ending) but the other two girls were free. To think they would resurrect Kaworu and pair him with Rei, and make Asuka be with the Otaku of all people just feels incredible forced, even though Shinji/Rei and Mari/Asuka(which was strongly implied) would have solved almost all shipping issues.
Mari/Asuka were sleeping in the same room, had affectionate nick names for each other, Mari constantly flirted with Asuka, Mari was confirmed to have sexual feelings for a woman in a spinoff manga before, and both were victims of the LCL curse, thus they could grow "old" together in young bodies. But once the final battle started, they forgot each other existed.
To me at least it feels like a clear rewrite happened where one writer didn't know that another writer was going for, and thus inserted his own fanfiction of Mari/Shinji into the end.
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>>3521308
>everyone could have expected a shinji het ending(implied or stated), but it would be with either Rei or Asuka.
I thought the exact opposite.

The original series was about Shinji (nobody else except Gendo ever mattered to Anno), a wimp who wanted the approval of others, something that he got in the end (remember the clapping scene) to overcome depression and finish individuation. Rei in that series and all following media represented Shinjis mother fixation for Anno while Asuka was an opposite of Shinji, possessing everything that he lacked but lacked everything that he possessed.

EoE made it 100% clear that the approval of others is complete useless to overcome depression though and hinders individuation (which reflects Annos success in the real world and how much good it did for his depression: none) but Shinji wasn't able to fully man up.

It was clear from the very beginning what would happen with Shinji at the end of the reboot: he would man up. Overcoming his mother fixation (and therefore Rei was never an option) and his yearning for what he lacked (Asuka) by finishing his individuation.

The Mari/Shinji thing is Jungian bullshit that Anno believes.
Shinji is an anima obsessed male while Asuka is a animus obsessed girl, a negative mirror for Shinji. Shinji overcoming his anima obsession and finishing his individuation makes him whole.

Now comes a lot more Jungian bullshit:
Shinji has both a negative mirror version (Asuka who lacks what Shinji posses but posses what he lacks) but also a positive mirror version (Kensuke who is whole from the beginning). Asuka also has a negative mirror (Shinji) and a positive mirror (Mari). Pairing Mari with Shinji and Asuka with Kensuke is a direct result of Jungian psychoanalysis. Jungian psychoanalysis is a load of bullshit of course but Anno is into that shit.

Everything else can be explained with Annos hate for otakus.

Never expect anything from hets anon. There can only be disappointment.
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>>3521308
>resurrect Kaworu and pair him with Rei
Lmao wut? For real?
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>>3521323
>The Mari/Shinji thing is Jungian bullshit that Anno believes.
Or simply Mari is based on Anno's wife, so of course he'd pair her with his self-insert.
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>>3521355
For real.
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>>3521323
>The Mari/Shinji thing is Jungian bullshit that Anno believes.
I'm just happy he find a gf desu, is a happy ending.
All comes to an end.
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>>3521282
>It's not complicated. There's more fujoshits than yuri fans.
Yuri is going to be the eternal 3th place.
All those full female cast are going to be forever het.
Is shame whe never are going to find a franchise that has more yuri than het content.
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>>3521397
Just wait for a decade, Shinjis story isn't over. He'll become Jesus in the fourth and actual final installment of Evangelion. Judas (Mari Iscariot) isn't the true end.
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>>3521396
For real in "the only thing shown is them talking to each other in the ending. We don't even know what they say. It's just a few seconds to show them in the new world"
Asuka/Kensuke has more meat to it with the whole KenKen thing. Rei/Kaworu feels like a shitpost or hetfag trying hard to ship characters literally only because they're shown talking with no more evidence
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>>3517386

What? There's literally only one goggles scene and it exists solely to troll you people.

Like, I'm 100% certain that scene was done intentionally to troll us.
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>>3521405
Nah, is just a sad recap if you think about it.
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>>3521417
It isn't trolling, it's pandering. I enjoyed seeing it, even if it went nowhere. And if it inspires some more AsuMari doujins, that would be nice too.
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>>3521535
Im tired of asukamari, isnt rei getting any pussy?
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>>3517386
>Rebuild ending
>was a good ending or a bad ending?

It was a ending and that all that matters.
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>>3517624>>3521323
Didn't rei say " i wanted to be with the GUY that i like" ?
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>>3523372
Ugh... thats kinda ugly.
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(The ending was okay but definetly forgettable, since it basicly turns shinji into emiya shirou. There's even a dubstep song at the end. I didn't hate it but its not something I will be rewatching any time soon)
So did Asuka die? we don't see her getting revived / resetted like everyone else.
Did misatto, gendo, ritsuko etc. get resetted too ?

I don't think Mari was mean to Asuka or cheated, I think she just wanted to make as many people as possible happy, and if Asuka died then she cannot be blamed for wanting to be happy.
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>>3517780
This interpretation of Anno is an anglo fandom reality headcanon. From what I recall I don't think the hatemail/death threats were the only thing flashed across the screen - there were positive messages too.

He shits on otaku AS an otaku, who knows their flaws because they were his own flaws & wants them to work towards not being wimps the same way he did. He's still an otaku, just not one that revels in embarrassing shit like using anime as a life replacement or treating doormat anime girls as ideal waifus. He even praised western fans for finding girls like Asuka and Misato more attractive & criticized Japan for obsessing over Rei (and after all there is a difference between finding an anime girl hot and using anime girls as an excuse to go "3DPD"). Finding assertive & flawed girls cute/hot in fiction means you're more likely to accept a real girl after all. He also said he hates when non-otaku get condescending towards otaku & they don't really get it.

He loves nerd shit, he just prefers older nerd shit like Tomino anime, Dynamic Pro manga etc that was an artistic observation of reality and not an attempt at replacing it. Or at the very least this was his 90s stance; later on he grew to like purely escapist moe anime more (he's a fan of Strike Witches) & said he doubts messages in anime will change anyone if they set their minds on sucking.

Eva is full of earnest tributes to the dude's favorite anime, manga, tokusatsu and western live action sci-fi like Gerry Anderson's UFO. He just wants nerds to be nerds in a way that's not pathetic and self-destructive, that's all it is, but western "weebs" (terrible term) are insecure and want him to think he hates all that stuff because the only way for an anime to be good is if it's about how anime is bad.
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>>3523763
She's on the train platform with the rest, to the left of Rei and Kaworu (our left). So definitely alive.

>Did misatto, gendo, ritsuko etc. get resetted too ?
I don't think Shinji resurrected anyone who died post-N3I, he just reversed its effects.
Also, Ritsuko didn't die.

>I don't think Mari was mean to Asuka or cheated, I think she just wanted to make as many people as possible happy, and if Asuka died then she cannot be blamed for wanting to be happy.
I don't think they were in a relationship to begin with. I think you can say that Mari was interested based on what we've seen, but Asuka didn't reciprocate.
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>>3524865
>an anglo fandom
>western "weebs"
Why do self-hating westerners always lie? That interpretation doesn't originate from the west.
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>>3524877
I didn't specify I'm 100% sure originated in the west, just that they're the ones still insanely latching on to it; but which eastern commentator came up with it from your research? The seeds of it were kinda planted by the pre-EoE Hiroki Azuma writeup, but while that one got some stuff wrong he didn't say the really out there presumptuous stuff I see anglos say every day.

I'm not self-hating, my western country is ok, I specifically said the kind of westerners who say "weeb" aka anglos.
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>>3517386
Obasan, can I ship Sakura with that ugly pink hair girl?
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History is history anon. In some ways, thank goodness Japan is both the major producer of both Yaoi and Yuri with the latter somewhat stronger than ever. I think you are overthinking or over estimating Japan's economic influence. I also think >>3521282 is right.
Eva is just wasted female cast with an underserving male lead, but female leads are much more common now, and the tides are turning away from that shitty bishounen narrative.

In another words, buy the good anime and dont buy the bad ones.
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>>3526807
>buy... anime
No.
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>>3526807
>but female leads are much more common now.
That doesnt mean shit, there is a lot of full female cast animes and the fandom are probably just going to drawn straight porn of then
>wasted female cast
The evangelion girl are pretty good, one of few examples of great female characters back in the 90's ( atleast in anime.)
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>>3523763
>The ending was okay
How can you say that when it was 100% straight?
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>>3527422
what the fuck did you expect? at least it's over
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>>3527440
It's not just that it was not yuri (which is to be expected obviously) but it ended in such a conclusive way that I can't suspend my disbelief anymore about any fan pairing and can't really even get any enjoyment from that anymore.
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>>3527451
That sounds like a mental issue. I just make believe theyre all lesbians still and its cool. Its super easy cause none of them are real people.
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>>3530407
>I just make believe
I can only do this when I'm not given a firm contradiction. LIke before the movie. There's only so far that I can suspend disbelief.
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>>3530481
Asuka/Hikari is an underrated ship
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>all thsose shit girls ITT
0/10, would not reccomend. Too bad nobody has enough talent to ship the bestest girl in EVA.
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