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Discuss, request, and recommend /u/-related /lit/ works!

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Top /u/ fantasy list

Collection download:
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Amazon has a new feature called Book Club, would /u/ be interested?
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>>3556170
I won't say I'm uninterested
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Sonia Hartl - The Lost Girls
Douche vampire guy romances lonely, impressionable teenage girls, then ditches them. Now the girls-turned-vampire team up to prevent him from turning his latest victim ... by killing him.

Pretty solid. Aside from some small niggles I don't really have any complaints. It's a bit YA-ish, and the tone doesn't feel quite consistent - the vampires are absolutely, casually murderous, but the point of the story is still saving a human girl, with a bit of teen romance, and having some fun along the way. Feels a bit off at times, but nothing too awful.

Vampire rules are interesting here too. Primarily relevant is that they can't easily get away from their creator, and there's no easy way to kill them at all (no sunlight or convenient holy water or whatever).

Decent read for an evening I'd say.
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>>3556530
don't bring YA het shit on this thread pls.
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Any books about a lesbian detective who's like Kyoko Kirigi? Or any good mystery novels with a lesbian detective in general?
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>>3555641
>Top /u/ fantasy list
First time reader, does Baru Cormorant books get better?
I'm at chapter 10 of first book and I just can't stand that femMC and how she flirts with some young boy all the time, can someone spoil if she actually has sex with guys in it?
Cause as we read that other woman who is into Baru is bi and fucked the shota at some point.

Also anyone could spoil what books from this list are actually only lesbian related without situations where main female lovers have sex or flirt with guys?
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>>3556952
Are you reading the right book or do your read positive interactions as "flirting"?

>can someone spoil if she actually has sex with guys in it?
No, she's a lesbian through and through. She just becomes good friends with Muire Lo(the person I'm assuming you're complaining about).

>Cause as we read that other woman who is into Baru is bi and fucked the shota at some point
What? I don't remember there being a shota at all. The closest to a man she gets to is Muire Lo and he dies from the plague
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>>3556955
Meant that young boy Iraji from book 1 who also sleeps with that admiral woman who seems to be into Baru and Baru all the time ask about him seducing her.
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>>3556975
Iraji isn't in the first book until the last chapter. He gets more character development in the second book. Also no, they don't fuck. Baru figures out pretty fast that he's a spy and a plant to try to tempt her but it doesn't work.

Did you accidentally skip the first book anon?
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>>3556812
kate kate
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>>3556978
i meant kane kane
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>>3556976
Seems so I started reading 2 book and thanks to that I already spoiled myself ending for the first one.
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>>3556985
Man that's depressing
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>>3556985
Well since you've already been spoiled. Baru is also sort of a shit head in book one as well. But much more naive and less jaded and depressed sort of shit head. It stops in the middle of book 3
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>>3556991
>much more naive and less jaded and depressed sort of shit head
In other words, a much better character.
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>>3557017
Trust me when I say it comes full circle. Shit that's relevant from chapter 1 actually stays relevant. Yeah, Baru is an absolute piece of shit in the second book up until about half way to book 3. Still my favorite idiot
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Geonn Cannon - The Wolf Who Cried Girl
Book 10 in the Underdogs "werewolf mystery" series. At this point I'd say you are either reading the series or not, so reviews are kinda pointless, but ...

To me the draw is effectively having solid mystery cases with a bit of an extra element due to the heroine being a werewolf. It's not the usual urban fantasy stuff that's all about supernatural chaos and dangers and whatnot, but perfectly ordinary crimes the heroine somehow gets involved in and then of course she makes use of her special abilities to solve her case.

In the background there's also a bit of a wider urban fantasy world, with "hunters" being after the werewolfs in general, and especially in the beginning a lot about why the heroine herself is kinda detached from the entire werewolf "society". It's okay as a background addition; explains some stuff, justifies some other aspects. The sort of thing that works for that ...
... but there's some novels in the series that switch things around and where this thin "background story" becomes the main driving force of the plot.

This is one of them. Like the others that make that mistake, it's pretty crap. The series with its character, its world, and so on just isn't set up for it, and those stories are sooo predictable cliché ... bleh.

Anyway, if you made it this far, whatever, the book isn't sinking the series. I do hope it'll go back in its original direction again though.
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Lynn Lawler - Awakened by Fate
Category: weird random book someone wrote ...
... while not being a very good writer and yet putting so much effort into it it's at least twice as long as a (current day) standard novel. If not longer.

The novel isn't going to win any prizes for a unique setup: heroine is a wife, feeling a bit stuck with her marriage not going too well and her career not going as she wants to either. She's then in an accident and afterwards, well, "awakens" to the possibility that some changes to her life might be necessary ...

The novel is just slightly off to the norm in every aspect though. For example, she's becomes more "in tune" with her spiritual self and some supernatural aspects. Okay, there's plenty of lesbian novels where the heroine (usually) does some New-age Wiccan-style stuff and it's treated seriously. Here though ... she just does whatever the fuck and everything works. There isn't even any pretense to any sort of consistency.

The other bit is the marriage ... usually of course the husband is some type of asshole. He is here too ... but also not really. It's really inconsistent. Plus, they have this strange arrangement where the heroine gets to fuck women whenever the husband is away, for no specified reason. This leads to the actual romance of the novel, but, well, it's much side-lined throughout the book.

The inconsistent portrayal of the husband, if you want to be real generous, might be due to the story being narrated through the heroine - and she's consistently inconsistent as well, and not very sympathetic at all. That much of the problems she has are down to herself escapes her basically until the very end of the book. Which ultimately ends with a "to be continued", not that I can imagine many sticking around that long (I skimmed a lot).

Extra long books with no real conclusion is just sorta extra insulting, gotta say.
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>>3555638
Carmilla is fucking dull, it's barely a story
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>>3557219
Most books on the charts are fucking crap.
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>>3557245
I agree, but I'm unwilling to put effort into making something better.
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How did people like Tipping The Velvet? I won't say it's bad but I didn't get into it
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Girls I kinda need to read a book but I can't seem to find it anywhere. It's called "Daisy Crown" by Olivia Lark. I'm a huge sucker for maid+mistress kinda story so if you have this, I'd be super grateful!
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>>3557307
I like it because
1. It was written by Sarah fucking Waters
2. Victorian lesbians
3. The adaptation is great and was really bold back when it came out
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>>3557307
I was pretty ambivalent about it as well, although I fucking love Fingersmith
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Anyone here have read Behind the Green Curtain and have bought the paperback version that was released recently? Author said that it has an epilogue, I sorta wanna buy it just for that but shipping it's quite expensive for my country, I wanna know if it's at least worth it.
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>>3557349
I did read the eBook and liked it. It's hot and has a good end (iirc)
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>>3557382
Oh right, I've read it too and really liked it. It's just that the paperback was only released a couple of weeks ago and an epilogue was added.
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>>3557307
Sarah Waters was probably the only /u//lit/ available for the longest time that didn't give us bullshit.
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Any books about young lesbians (<20) that aren't super angsty?
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>>3557511
I still find there's fuck all that's similarly well written and not utterly fucking derivative. It's why I mostly watch stuff and read fanfiction rather than /u/lit, unless I see something repeatedly hyped different places. If I'm going to invest the time to read something derivative I'd at least rather know going in it's something I'm going to like.
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>>3557670
I think how we found the other worth while ones was due to there being about 4 or 5 anons that would just read any old shit that would come out and post a short review here. It feels like we're down to one review anon now and another one that vaguely tries.

I don't know why there's someone trying to bait with blatantly het series though, so there's that.
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Been ages since I've read any "10/10, awesome, amazing, I want to read this again, so good" books. Sometimes quite depressing, honestly.

And for fucks sake /u/ authors, finish your sequels!
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>>3557741
>tfw that one dickhead publisher is withholding lesbian space opera kino from us
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Since the erotica section has been merged with the main folder I can't just pick something random and hope for the best anymore. So give me some good erotica, all porn or porn with plot, to read; or tell me how the fuck do I search by multiple tags on goodreads.
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>>3557801
I recently started looking up stuff on literotica.
Some good ones I found:
>Soft Submission Ch: 3 Part Series
>My GF; Fucking & How We Met: 9 Part Series
>A Proper Send-off

As for books, I like Paisley Smith's Fall to Pieces and Satin Sheets, and Meghan O'Brien's almost anything.
I've also mentioned before Danielle Grainger's Bernadette series, although it's not for everyone, and I didn't like books 2 and 3, they got too weird and I skipped most of them because of that...
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>>3557759
Whats its name?
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Anyone here actually write? Or are apart of any writing groups?
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>>3557970
I can barely read nee-san.
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>getting back into western novels after taking a break from Chinese webnovels
>searching through past threads for something vampire related and finding nothing that looks good, remembering how destitute the vampire scene is, especially outside of urban fantasy
Feels bad, sis.

Anything /ulit/ related to Elizabeth Bathory that's more fantasy (i.e, no hetshit and a good ending)?
I saw Blood Countess come up in my search. Anyone read that?
On the other hand, if anyone wants to narrow down the range of historical books on her (especially those that in part focus on/detail her same-sex tendencies) for me, that'd be appreciated. I've taken an interest in history stuff lately (not just /u/ related history) and got turned on to her by looking up details on a trio of fantastic songs by Kamelot.
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>>3557759
>tfw book is already written and edited and they're just sitting on the greatest space lesban saga of all time
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>>3557970
Technically, but these days that mostly amounts to staring at a document, having a panic attack, and deciding to try again another day.
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>>3556952
Can confirm that the jasmine throne is through and through lesbian although it's veeeery slow burn

Avatar Kyoshi is bi but don't let that be a turn off since her relationship to another woman is what matters more romantically

Idk about the rest of those books
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Gearbreakers by Zoe Hana Mikuta

This books is about a group of people that learned how to destroy the mechas built by some tyrant nation from the inside. These mechas are piloted by basically cyborgs and one of them is the love interest. The premise is cool and the execution is not that bad also.

My problem with the book is that I finished it in the hopes that it would be a one and done deal but unfortunately it ends in a really bad cliffhanger for both the protagonists so I don't think I will be reading the next one.

Also this one has het. The MC starts the book with a boyfriend that she later discovers to be a asshole and dumps him when she realizes she's starting to fall in love with the LI.
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The Missus - Natasha West
Finally, some good fucking reading, first decent thing I've read in a month. It's a romance with a few cliches, but it's funny and decently written. No steamy scenes. Would recommend.
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The Master of Djinn by P djèlí clark was a fantastic read. F/f couple and vivid world building. Would love to read more set in this world.
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>>3557759
>>3558573
I'm intrigued, what is it?
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>>3561398
>>3557968
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42973364-exordia?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=YorCVoRTa3&rank=6

It was supposed to be out about 3 years ago now.
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>>3558573
>greatest space lesban saga of all time
>seth dickinson
Nah.
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>>3557759
I Was Kidnapped By Lesbian Space Pirates? Thought that was a webcomic that never got finished because of legal shenanigans.
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>>3561754
name ONE(1) good lesbian scifi
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>>3561593
it's not that lesbian sorry :( only a little lesbian

The Stars are Legion is lesbian and good though, also A Memory Called Empire and Empress of Forever
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And This Is How You Lose the Time War
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>>3561847
the stars are legion is fucking terrible, the entire middle portion is so fucking boring and utterly irrelevant

A memory called Empire is better but also really slow and boring, and the /u/ literally makes up about 5 paragraphs

Empress of Forever and time war are both good

when Exordia comes out it'll make everything else look like dan brown's middle school english project. The first chapter is fucking amazing
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>>3561807
I liked Ardulum.
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>>3561853
Why hasnt it come out?
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>>3561847
It's not even fucking out
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>>3561979
Seth doesn't know why the publisher is sitting on it. The book is completed and edited.
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>>3562072
Where can i read the first chapter?
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>>3561807
When someONE(1) finally writes it, I will.

TLT > The Masquerade Series, tho.
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>>3562223
>TLT
What title is that?
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>>3562396
The Locked Tomb. Gideon the Ninth, Harrow the Ninth, etc.
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>>3561807
Define "good".

On an unrelated note, does anyone have a rec for some interracial /u/? Ideally I want a White/Asian mix with an emphasis on cultural differences and quirks while remaining light-hearted and cute.
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>>3561807
The Girls From Alcyone
>it's almost a Mass Effect rewrite fan fic
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>>3562223
>>3562427
They're not even remotely similar in premise, let alone content. I honestly don't think they're worth comparing alone because of that.

It's like trying to compare Lord of The Rings and Star Wars.
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>>3562602
That being said Harrow the Ninth and Monster/Tyrant Baru Cormorant (which were supposed to be one book) have a hell of a lot of shared themes (antiheroic heroine who's brilliant at one thing and a complete disaster at everything else, lobotomies, processing grief, having your dead girlfriend in your head, colonialism, evil father figure mentors, being complicit in the continued existence of an evil empire, repression) People who really like one often also really like the other
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>>3562610
>Tyrant Baru Cormorant (which were supposed to be one book)

According to Seth it was a planned trilogy. It's just that the second book turned into two separate books and the fourth was going to be the third book.

But yeah, when I think about it they do have some things in common.
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>>3562610
Nice, love me some tortured protags.
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>>3562591
>Define "good".
"If I like it, it's good. If I don't - it's bad". Obviously.
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>>3562602
LotR > SW

Come at me. sis.
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>>3562600
>>3561882
>>3561847
I don't trust most /u//lit/ anons after the sheer amount of speed readers that tried to shit on both TLT and The Masquerade books.

So elaborate on these recommendations, what makes them good?
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>>3562721
>speed readers
Ah, it's you again.
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>>3562722
I mean when most of your criticism of a book series comes from either misinterpretation of the text, skimming and making up events that didn't happen then yeah faggot, you can't be trusted to recommend anything.
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>>3562724
>faggot
Someone's mad. idk what kind of stick is up your butt right now, but that's no reason to be rude.
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>>3562725
Then you should be able to back up your rec and describe what the books are about and why they're good. If not then it's a worthless recommendation.
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>>3562726
I didn't make any rec.
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>>3561882
>I liked Ardulum.
Interesting aliens, nicely weird paper scifi tech, solid writing. Sometimes gets a bit lost with the plot I felt. But, yeah, overall worth a read if you want proper alien aliens.

>>3562600
>The Girls From Alcyone
Interesting choice. It's got some fun ideas, but whatever else one might say about it ... it's never going to get finished. The author promised of course, but that was 2 years ago.

Either way
>>it's almost a Mass Effect rewrite fan fic
Naw, not really. If you want ME FF fan fic go for Dark Reach Wars by Lora Rasmussen.
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Does anyone here have Josh Gifford's Tales of Ankyran series? I'll offer a review in exchange:

Faerie Queen, by Jennie Taylor.

MC is a teenager unknowingly best friends and in denial of being in love with a faerie princess. Shit happens and next thing she knows they're in the faerie kingdom, engaged and dealing with an uprising.

It starts hilariously bad, evolves into frustratingly bad and ends just plain bad. The main conflict between the protagonists (princess wants to send MC to the human world, which everyone understands as a permanent thing even though it's clearly easy to move between the two and it takes ~30 minutes to go from the palace to MC's house) makes absolutely no sense, they're oblivious to each others feelings even though they can physically feel them and there's barely any one on one interaction between them. The world is a pretty generic fae/elf forest with giant flowers, which the author spends way too much time visually describing for a 200 page book. The action is absurdly fast paced and whenever there might be a moment of calm where the characters could interact it's time skipped.

Overall I wouldn't recommend even if you're in the mood for trashy fantasy romance. I'll spoil the ending just to save the desperate that might be on the fence: After being sent away for a second time, halfway through the LAST PAGE she's still fully convinced the princess just sees her as a friend and is sending her away because she's an inconvenience there. They kiss literally in the last sentence of the book.
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Is there any book where the MC (or love interest) starts out as a pos, then life started flinging shit at her and treated her the same ways she treated others until she eventually grows up and move on?
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>>3555641
>Jasmine Throne
Cool, a new book. I hope it's not as bad as the other ones in this list.
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>>3563115
Gonna need something more than a review sister.
Post nah, I'm kidding, https://gofile.io/d/qfyUSR (pw:ankyran)
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>>3563374
Thanks love!
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The Ghosts Belong To Us by Tamsyn A. Lipscolmbe

This book is really cool, one of the best I've read in recent times. It's about a medium that gets one case about a haunted inn in a little town and goes there to investigate.

If you like paranormal mystery you should check this book. The only downside for me is that the biggest mystery is not that hard to figure out when you are reading, but it doesnt take away from the book.

If someone wants spoilers regarding possible het and etc let me know, I won't say that there is because the circumstances aren't the normal ones but people may find some things disturbing.

All in all it was a fun and quick read, if you're in the halloween mood it may be worth a look.
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Which of these sounds more interesting to you?

>MC is a disgraced bodyguard who leaves her tech-utopia city to venture out into a wild and hostile wasteland to recover the daughter of her former employer whom she accidentally allowed to be kidnapped. Along the way she meets a journalist/researcher from the same city who has been studying the wasteland. Together they follow leads to recover the girl while trying to navigate an uncharted wilderness, fighting warring clans of bandits and renegades, and avoiding the strange creatures that have reclaimed the world.

>MC is an enforcer for the Illuminate in the near-future. So was her lover until she went rogue and is now working against the interests of the shadowy organisation. MC is tasked with hunting down her former partner and eliminating her, along with the entire network she's managed to build. MC fights conflicting loyalties and uncovers more than she expects on her hunt, as well as picking up a cute young office girl who is in way over head after stumbling across this shadow war.
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>>3564944
If you wanna write, write and post both. This way you get double the practice and feedback.
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>>3564857
Give me spoilers
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>>3564944
Either one is fine as long as the main couple isnt butch
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>>3564944
Make the main couple butch and it's 10/10.
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>>3564981
I am writing both. I was just curious which one appealed more to the readers here. Hopefully both will get written eventually but for now I'm focusing on the first one while planning out the second one.

>>3565063
>>3565071
I was thinking of making the first couple two shades of tomboy with the researcher on the more feminine, upbeat, and enthusiastic side.
The second couple are both going to be feminine but practical and occasionally cold-hearted, as expected given their careers.
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>>3565093
In that case, I like the second story a bit more then, it sounds like it will have that whole “us against the world” feel going on when the truths/twists are eventually revealed, which I’m always a fan of.
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>>3564944
I like 1 better but mostly because i can sense a love triangle in 2 and i'm burnt out on those.
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>>3565093
>tomboy
This has potential.
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>>3564944
Unless you're planning on going wildly off the beaten path with second, it's going to read the same as the dozens of stories that follow the same premise. The first one allows more freedom, I think, so I'd pick that one.
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>>3564944
First one.
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>>3565058
Basically the principal Ghost in the haunting is the LI but the MC doesn't realize this until the end of the book. This is the big mystery, who is the woman on the haunting.
Also, this girl was called a witch when she was alive because she liked woman, so her brother had her married to a guy and she was raped on that time. In the time in wich the book takes place has not het and we realize the woman traped everyone that died on the house as revenge and even tortuted her husband after he died.
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>>3565156
To be fair, this is exactly what I was worried about. I like the idea and I think maybe there's something new I could bring to the table, but really I don't think I've got the intelligence to make anything ground-breaking. Someone once told me it was impossible to write a character more intelligent than yourself, and that's something tends to play on my confidence a lot whenever I try write a character like the ones I planned for the Illuminati story.

Do you have any recs for stories similar to what I was planning?
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I wrote this
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTYXTCND_nQbbRQ5KttQ4ZJ-Jf3E_Z7c40alH8utYtRJO-RrYk07tn-0HEM7-fCtsDBpL6Z9LEU0TtX/pub

Anyone wanna give me thoughts?
It's still just the drafts but we intend to turn this into a full webnovel by next year or until our current series is done.
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>>3565513
I remember this being posted before. Was pretty rough. At a glance it looks identical. Have you changed anything since then?
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Any good age gap recommendations?
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>>3565595
me and your mom
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>>3565594
Yup. Editted and Updated it
I'm just sharing because I want to hear opinions before we turned it into a new webcomic
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>>3565228
>it was impossible to write a character more intelligent than yourself
I don't think this is necessarily true. As the writer, you're not trying to solve a very difficult problem, you're trying to come up with a plausible problem that is solved by the actions you'd like the character to take. If you have trouble with the latter, you can take inspiration from other works quite easily as long as you abstract the actions from the setting. Say, for example, you like Ocean's 11's heist. You can abstract the twist into "infiltrate the group that will be called to solve the problem you want to cause" and then you can apply it somewhere completely different, like a spy novel. Chain enough of these and you get a convoluted plan worthy of a genius. Creating the puzzle then is just a matter of making sure you can't fit more than one plausible piece into each slot, i.e., make obvious alternative solutions non feasible (and don't worry too much about non-obvious ones, most people either won't come up with them, suspend their disbelief or accept they might not work for some unspecified reason).

(cont.)
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(cont. from >>3565638, in reply to >>3565228)

Having said that, I don't think the character will be the problem but the plot itself. You more or less described the whole thing, and there's not that much wiggle room. Sure, maybe former partner is not fully good and the organization is not fully evil, maybe the office girl is in fact uninvolved instead of a covert agent, maybe you're crazy enough to have a selectively amnesiac MC. But we've seen all of these before, the surprise comes from the outcome of the coin toss you made when choosing plot point alternative A or B, which is no surprise at all. The reader goes into the book knowing full well what's most likely to happen from start to finish and what are the most likely alternative paths you might take. If that's what she wants to read and it's well written, then that's great! You asked what sounds more interesting and I hope you can take something from this answer, but please don't be discouraged from writing the story you want to write, even if something similar has been written before. I'd love to have my favorite books rewritten over and over again in different flavors by competent writers.

>Do you have any recs for stories similar to what I was planning?
I'm not very into the genres that have this sort of plot, but perhaps Breaking Legacies by Zoe Reed? Sorry for the wall of text, I got a bit excited.
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>>3565228
Honestly, I feel like Baru is a pretty good example of a well written intelligent character. Because what most writers do wrong with intelligent characters is that they try to make them correct and all knowing all the time which isn't what a smart person is. Smart people constantly make mistakes and have oversight on things so when you're writing someone that's supposed to be a genius or intelligent it's also helpful to make sure that their character has a set way of logical thinking and more importantly how someone else may be able to dismantle their logic.

I use Baru as an example because from her childhood she's groomed by the Farrier to be separate from her peers. She's the gifted genius that will go far in the Empire while the rest of the kids are just average. You end up seeing that because she was groomed to be that way, she constantly is narrowminded and hyper focuses on whatever goal she has at the time while not considering the motives of others. Just an example, but one factor of intelligent people is that they are told they're special and gifted from a young age pretty often, which either evolves into arrogance or depression if the child doesn't meet expectations later in life.

It's something to think about if the illuminati characters are going to also be major characters and have development.
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>>3565228
Another factor with this is that you as the author have the luxury of infinite time to think about the problem while the character is operating under narrow constraints. You can write a character smarter than yourself simply by having them come up with in a few hours a solution that took you weeks to think through
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does anyone know about Cocoon Entwined? If so does anyone know where to find volume 2,3 and 4 on the net? Or is it just impossible to find it?
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>>3565596
Seconded
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Tiger's Daughter has a very bothersome narration style. And I felt bored reading a story about two perfect Mary Sues.
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>>3566343
>And I felt bored reading a story about two perfect Mary Sues.
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Just give me books with witches. The closer to Little Witch Academia, the better.

Or just any book that has a character with a personality similar to Akko's.
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>>3566343
>a story about two perfect Mary Sues
Picked up
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>>3566343
>>3566593
Enjoy your Ryona simulator
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>>3566343
>And I felt bored reading a story about two perfect Mary Sues.
you really didn't read and it shows
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>>3566343
>one of the characters is named is O-Shizuka
........
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>>3566458
Why would you want to read about special needs children?
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I just came across an incredibly negative review of the Tiger's Daughter, written by an arrogant japanese woman
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>>3566642
It's pretty funny that most of these reviews are buttmad Japanese and weebs angry that fantasy japan is portrayed as imperialistic. If the Tokugawa shogunate didn't close Japan they would probably be trying to colonize china after it got united as a single country.
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What I hate most is these kinda of reviews. Someone reads a book that they know isn't for them, then give it a low score and say to ginore it.
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>>3566806
I hate this shit with movie reviews as well. Get a lot of mainstream critics reviewing genre films and rating them poorly because they don't like that genre rather than on the merits of the film.
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>>3566806
>"I didn't feel anything reading this book because I'm anxious about my school"
This isn't a fucking review
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>>3566637
Because it's fun.
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>>3555637
https://archive.org/details/newworldfairyboo00kenn/page/n8/mode/2up

twincest tsundere fairies, the story the nymph and the dryad tells how fairies got their wings right here...
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Y'all see anything decent in here?
https://readsrainbow.com/2021/10/book-releases-november-2021

I hope you're ready for all the christmas books
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>>3566913
"Payback's a witch" released recently. You might like it.
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>>3566806
>Someone reads a book that they know isn't for them, then give it a low score
Nothing wrong with that. The problem is that almost every review is useless. People write so much shit that is irrelevant. Just look at the one you posted. It says nothing, just wastes your time.
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>>3566642
>>3566645
And I read a book review where it criticized the glorification of imperial Japan. So, which one is true?
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>>3567701
Neither is true at all.

The politics in the book series isn't one dimensional like people want it to be so people are mad that fantasy Japan isn't portrayed as heroes but at the same time are portrayed as outwardly evil. Anon's comment about them being marysues is also really funny as they both suffer a fuckton due to their own actions/
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>>3567738
Ah, so it's an "enlightened centrist" the book. Dropped.
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>>3567898
Look he's baiting in the /u//lit/ thread again
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>>3567738
But imperial nihon were evil af, and thats not even getting into ww2
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>>3567924
Every country had the goal of being imperialistic back then. So by your logic every country was evil
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>>3567930
While true in general, actually Japan was the primary imperial expansionists of the interwar period. While European powers didn't initiate decolonization on a large scale until after WW2, there also wasn't much new expansion being done - in some part due to the focus being on recovering from the devastations of WW1. US had isolationist foreign policy during the time as well and China were stuck in civil war, so basically just Japan were going around being actively imperialist!

And prior to WW1, while they had expansionist goals, they were mostly kept in check by the other regional powers of China, Russia and the US and didn't really get to actually put much of it into action. They did have wins against China and Russia and took Korea, but not too much else.
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>>3567930
>Every country had the goal of being imperialistic back then
Yes
>So by your logic every country was evil
No
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>>3567946
>WW2 and WW1 in the context of a novel based on 1500s japan
I'm not even going to read the rest of this post man. Can you read the book we're discussing first before you do this to yourself?
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>>3567949
>>3567946
>>3567924
imperial japan was only a thing in the 19th and 20th centuries and was 'evil' because of the changed morals of the time and the large scale that being industrial let them do everything at. 15th century japan was a shogunate that neither suffered the morals of the modern world nor had the ability to enact the 'evil' things on a large scale.
as for the idea that 'every' country back then was imperialist, it doesnt strictly hold true. many of the things that we see imperial japan as evil for were done by nations in the period of time the book was set or comparable empires of other times (slave labour, biological warfare from diseased animals, mass executions, colonialisation etc.). not every country did these sorts of things, but enough did that they would be seen as 'brutal' rather than 'evil' (and china definitely did all of them and worse).

personally whatturned me off about the book is the flowery text, debating the politics of a lesbian fantasy novel can be mildly entertaining but also is kind of pointless beyond asking what are the tax policies of the hokkaran empire?
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>>3568051
>'evil'
'>changed morals of the time
>morals of the modern world
>'evil'
It might be a shock to you but genocide and imperialism have always been considered immoral even in the past by everyone except those who committed them.
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>>3567459
meh, not much in there, although there's book two in this series that seems interesting, anyone read the first ?
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>>3568175
Wanted to go for it but I learned the sapphic chars are not the main characters. They are major POV characters though and everyone says the book is good, so make of that what you will.
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>>3567459
I looked at a bunch, but the ones vaguely interesting, like the new Lee Winter, didn't seem so interesting on closer inspection.


Lisa Ambrose - Cold Deal (Kina McKevie Book 1)
... also "vaguely interesting at first glance but actually not that interesting"; not in reference to the content though, but to the fact that it's ... look at the chart. Go to mystery. Non-US. There's a Laurence Moore there, writing a two book series (I always feel like there was a third that wasn't properly listed and then quickly disappeared but no way to check that now, I guess) called Kina McKevie.

So, yeah, it's the same book, but the author decided to rather release it under a female pseudonym now. That's my assumption anyway (the book does "read slightly more male author"), but of course the original release could have been under a fake name as well or something else altogether is going on (I don't know, he died and his daughter is releasing the books now ... hey, I could have happened). As far as I can tell (four years later) the content is perfectly unchanged.

That's that amazingly interesting factoid about the happenings in fringe lesbian literature.

The mystery is okay. It's basically about "gang life" in London; the heroine having been released from prison, struggling with life, when her sister's fiancé get murdered. So she tries finding some redemption figuring out who did it. It's interestingly different, if not too complex as far as the actual mystery goes. The heroine and her life just manage to make it interesting enough for a read, especially if you want something else than just another US setting.
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I read blood of the Chosen by Django Wexler. Like all his stuff, strong action, kind of weak characters. The girl might be frustrating to some again. It once again feels like two seperate fantasy books that rush through what little plot they have and then converge, made worse because the individual plots feel like sidequests.
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>>3568104
Don't try to reason with weebs please.
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Read a bunch of stuff recently, here's some reviews:

Payback's a Witch -
Honestly not sure if this is very good or only somewhat good, and just so happens to feature a love interest sourced directly from my most sweaty fantasies (a too-hot-for-you goth-y upperclassmen, with a secret romantic heart under a tough exterior. Also she cooks!). Your mileage will likely depend on how well you enjoy/tolerate instagram witches, because that is the prevailing atmosphere for the entire book.
It's about girls teaming up to get revenge on their shitty ex in the local witch tourney. As a requirement of the premise both MCs are bi, and have history with the same dude, but he's kind of an afterthought and for large chunks of the story he's totally forgotten.
Lots and lots of yearning, pining, and steamy eye contact. It has this repeated thing where the romance is about to escalate only to be interrupted, like something from a mid 2000's anime flashback. This happens three times.

The Love Hypothesis -
Has one (pretty) funny scene, otherwise just totally devoid of value. Protag has no personality outside of being a nerd - maybe a lonely nerd - she spends most of the book pining for this utterly white-bread dude, the female love interest is the specialist of special snowflakes, the dads are just...so much, all the time. Skip it.

A Dark & Hollow Star - Ashley Shuttleworth
The best way I can describe it is that it's published fanfic, but I couldn't tell you for what series. Four main characters split into f/f m/m pairings. *Very* YA, more than a little anime, with a strong dose of thirteen-year-old deviantart OC for good(?) measure.
It walks a razor's edge between fun and cringeworthy, the prose is awkward, the lore is dumped haphazardly throughout...I can't think of a single reason to recommend it, and yet I want more.
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>>3568376
Forgot to add the authors - PaW is by Lana Harper, and TLH is by Laura Steven.

Not my Problem - Ciara Smyth
More comedy than romance, and even when dramatic or more serious issues take the forefront it remains pretty lighthearted.
I liked this one a lot - it's chill, it's funny - really funny, the MC has an actual personality and is likable, the romance dynamic is great. It's never melodramatic and doesn't overstay its welcome. Worth a comfy afternoon.

Bloody Rose - Nicholas Eames
I didn't even know this one was gay beforehand, so it was a nice surprise. The main character is a lesbian and her sort-of love interest is bi. I haven't read the previous book Kings of the Wyld, so some scenes didn't hit like I think they were meant to, but otherwise no trouble enjoying the story.
The whole thing was a great time from start to finish. It's about a band of mercs, and the group dynamic is the soul of it. They each get a good amount of focus and a big, emotional moment. The world building is good, the history of it is sprinkled through and compelling. Even if the twist isn't exactly a surprise, it's still a great moment, and the finale is perfect fantasy big battle goodness.
It's cool, it kicked ass, fukken loved it.

The Ruthless Ladies' Guide to Wizardry - C. M. Waggoner
Protagonist is bi, contains het.
It's fun! The protagonist is a likeable shit and gets better over the novel, the love interest is much too good for her (and tall!!! big plus!). The prose and language has this fantasy victorian thing going on, and can, at times, be just the fucking most. There might be a few too many over-long fake comedy words for my taste, ymmv.
The protagonist comes from a lower class than the rest of the cast, and there's lots of comedy-of-manners bickering going on. The action is fine, the pacing can drag a bit (many, many moments for tea-and-cake), and the villain is practically a non-entity, but otherwise the plot is solid and is overall a good time.
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>>3568404

Girls of Storm & Shadow - Natasha Ngan
MCs are in a pre-established relationship from the start, contains a m/m couple or two later on.
Enjoyed it more than the first book. No het rape in this one for one thing, the plot is much less stationary, more action and tension overall. The cast is in a tough situation - there's lots of edging around moral compromise, ends & means, and the love interest might be party to a lot of terrible shit. When shit goes south I found it genuinely distressing, which is unusual for me.
The finale's coming out this month, very hyped for it (and praying for no more het rape, pls).

The Lucky List - Rachel Lippincott
It's cute and swoony and a bit teenagery but I don't hold that against it. MC spends most of the book trying to get with a guy, but has negative chemistry with him, spends none of this time talking to him, it has more to do with parental expectation that anything else, and by the end of the story she's fully out as a lesbian - so on the whole it gets a pass from me.
Got a nostalgic, summer romance feel to it, and it's short.
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Which book has the best depiction of sex?
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>>3568621
Ur mums diary
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>>3568621
I want to show Chia best depictions of sex
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>>3568621
Quicunque Vult by Keira Michelle Telford
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>>3568376
>>3568404
>>3568443
Thanks for the reviews
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>>3568621
I'd like to know this but within the scifi genre?
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>>3568621
The ones that don't depict sex.
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If anyone wants to read a book about characters that are not human you might wanna check out Guardian by Jen Lawrence. This one is basically about a race of warriors descendants of the elves (so pointy ears and like 9 feet tall, with different colors for hair and skin, and a bonus: only females) that when born are assigned a soulmate and they live together defending their realm, they have daughters and all that.

The story is basically about a warrior that for a 100 years haven't found her soulmate yet, and when she finds her she is living with humans and has a fiancé. This fiancé is assexual and they only bonded because neither had sexual attraction to the other.

The obvious complaint that I have about this book is that the LI is basically cheating on 2 people at the same time, and the love triangle is a huge focus of the book, it's a long drama and it revolves around it.
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>>3569649
>The obvious complaint that I have about this book is that the LI is basically cheating on 2 people at the same time
Is it really cheating if the relationship is asexual? It sounds more like a friendship that turned into a marriage of convenience. Is the fiance upset that the LI is having any sexual feelings at all?
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What was the last book that made your heart go doki doki?
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>>3569915
Your mum's diary.

She hopes you grow up healthy and happy and find love in your own time.
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>>3570238
Fuck off bitch, my mom died 8 years ago. I wanted serious answers.
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>>3568404
>Bloody Rose - Nicholas Eames
If i'm not mistaken the first book is about literally getting the band back together to rescue Rose, the way the story pretty much treats the mercs getting back together basically as if they were a rock band is god tier.
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>>3568208
bretty gud
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>>3568376
>It walks a razor's edge between fun and cringeworthy, the prose is awkward, the lore is dumped haphazardly throughout...I can't think of a single reason to recommend it, and yet I want more.
Congratulations on discovering what makes YA basically crack.
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>>3570265
i know anon thats why it made our hearts hurt so much - her love for you in her final days was so bitter sweet

we all hope you grow up hwalthy and happy anon, we'll always be here if you need us
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>3572072
(You)
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Has anyone read This Used to be Easier by Katia Rose? The description on Amazon seems appealing me but I would like a warning of any potential het or bislut shit in it before I give it a shot.
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What's the most fun book you've read? Just a joyful story.
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>>3574856
Just my type by Luce Bexley
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What makes you instantly drop a book?
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>>3575046
MCs with no agency and shit world building.
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>>3575046
bisluts and sexism
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>>3575046
When the author obviously hates men and/or white people, or pretends that trannies are real women, or is overtly preachy when it comes to politics.
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>>3575046
Male apologism.
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>>3575046
Progressive propaganda
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>>3575046
Reactionary politics.
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>>3574856
Night Swimming, by Steph Bowe. I would like a dozen more just like it.
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>>3575046
Trannies and "non-binary" characters. Pretty much this >>3575122

This is why The one who eats monsters is my favorite yuri book. You can tell right away it was written by a sane person.
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>>3575174
>The one who eats monsters
I'm still mad there's no sequel.
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>>3575046
If a book pulls:
Le edgy deconstuction/subversion meme
Dark/gritty = realistic = good meme.
Tragedy = depths/high art meme.
MC being DiD/being saved my a man. That's just off the top of my head.
Plus what >>3575073>>3575130 said.
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>>3574865
>>3575172
Thank you.
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Finally read Fingersmith. Will forever hold against Sarah Waters that she didn't include a sex scene after Maud came out as horny and dirty af.
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>>3575046
Predictable misinterpretation of a situation that could be solved by talking but won't.
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>>3575185
I don't understand, did it flop so hard that there's no sequel? Is the author just lazy?
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>>3575046
First Person POV
Present Tense
Butch
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>>3575300
watch the handmaiden
your cravings will be fullfilled
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>>3575122
>When the author obviously hates men and/or white people
oh you nazis and your triggers and dogwhistles...
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anyone read City of Shattered Light ?
I'm interested in picking it up whenever I have time to read it
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>>3575046
Rape, I guess, though I usually see it posted here/check if a book has it before reading.
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>>3575731
Fuck off.
>>3575747
What about f/f rape?
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>>3575778
Go back to /pol/, faggot.
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>>3575778
>What about f/f rape?
It's fine (but not something I'm really interested in) for erotica, but I'd rather avoid it too in any story going for realism.
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>>3575778
> what about f/f rape
dubcon stuff where the character herself isn't entirely sure whether she wants to have sex or is being forced can be really good but stories that go all the way into outright rape are usually just upsetting
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>>3575747
It was a dark era when almost every new book like 5 years ago had either the protagonist or the LI be a rape victim
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>>3575804
>>3575731
It's very unfortunate that /u/ is getting more and more of you people that clearly hate men more than you like yuri
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>>3575814
Surprisingly enough, the most unsettling depiction of rape I have ever seen was a dubcon f/f very explicit scene in a twilight fanfic that I forced myself to finish reading (and then dropped the fanfic) because it made me reconsider how I think about consent. To this day I still don't know if that was the intention of the author or even how most people would interpret the scene, but holy shit did it fuck me up.
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>>3575824
>/pol/tard pretends to be an oldfag: epsode #267543
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>>3575046
authors not using contractions, tho sometimes i write filters to fix it
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>>3574856
i dont know if ive ever read one like that anon
>>3574865
>>3575172
are these happy?
im sad and maybe a pick me up like these could help
side note i feel like i only browse this thread when im having relationship troubles now, havent read anything in ages that isnt fanfic and idk why
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>>3575841
I’ve come across a handful of sex scenes that fucked with me a bit and I don’t think they were intended to. I think what they really portrayed to me was the fact that the authors had a warped concept of consent even though they had a pretty sophisticated view of sex otherwise and that freaked me out more than anything. At least when someone’s ignorant across the board or inexperienced it’s understandable.
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>>3576172
>>3574865
Yes.
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Well fuck. Just finished The Traitor Baru Cormorant. What is it with me and these types of books? Previous read was Gideon the Ninth, lmao. Waiting on the third one to read the second though.
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>>3576575
Tyrant and Monster can be read as basically one book, and end on a decent closer. Not really worth waiting for the fourth one since Monster came out.
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>>3576600
I meant the locked tomb (trilogy). Definitely reading Baru 2 & 3 when I have some free time next.
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>>3576604
The Locked Tomb is not a trilogy anymore, just so you know. There'll be four books.
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>>3575444
It's the author's most popular book by a significant margin. The book's like 80-100% finished based on facebook updates just needs lots of rewriting, I'm guessing it's a combination of real life stuff/fatigue
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>>3575444
These books aren't written by professionals. It's people doing it on the side of their actual jobs. Commercial flop doesn't really matter that much (though it wasn't), but life always gets in the way ...
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Are there any lesbian novels with (hot) jealousy?
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>>3575046
>MISUNDERSTANDINGS.epub and similarly retarded behavior that makes me wish I could slap fictional characters through the monitor.
Still mad about that time I forgot why I'd been avoiding Dating Sarah Cooper and ended up reading [part of] it.
>M/F rape that I didn't see mentioned beforehand (so I could avoid picking the book up in the first place), even if it's one sentence of backstory for the MC or LI.
Iffy on F/F rape, but it's not instadrop.
>Utterly spineless MCs
>Trying to push out there gender shit, like demigirls or something (looking at you, Chelsea Cameron). Overly political stuff in general.
>BEs
I also avoid butch stuff.
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>>3577473
Oh, and
>cheating on a wife/gf who isn't some sort of psycho turbobitch or something.
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>>3575046
>girl is freaked out about her feelings for another girl so she has sex with some guy to try to cure herself of gay
I fucking hate this shit. Almost as bad as straight up rape to read about.
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>>3576641
>>3576979
I suppose I did come across as an asshole asking for the new book and accusing the author of laziness but truth is the ETA was set to 2018 and we're nearing 2022. This just seen as a case of the author losing touch with their inspiration and will to write.
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>>3577591
Agreed, it's such a vile concept. Remember coming across it in a story once, and it really did feel like the author was just getting off to the idea.
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>>3577591
I think this *can* be done well but it's really hard to use properly and most authors fuck it up. In the places where I've seen it work it's been a story with a dark tone to begin with and happened after a long spiral into self destruction with the sleazy joyless awfulness of the sex illustrating how our heroine has hit rock bottom
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>>3577637
>I think this *can* be done well
>I've seen it work it's been a story with a dark tone to begin with and happened after a long spiral into self destruction with the sleazy joyless awfulness of the sex illustrating how our heroine has hit rock bottom
Your definition of "done well" and "can work" is suspicious.
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>>3577591
Also happens in incest stories, although it might not be as bad if at least they keep it F/F.

>>3577616
I might be talking out of my ass here, but in cases where the author has announced the book is mostly written and just needs finishing touches and editing I get the feeling the author took a step back to look at what was written and realized it's crap. Or it has a plot hole the size of the Marianas and it can't be fixed without retconning previous books.
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>>3577616
>>3577731
As much as I want a sequel I hate unhappy endings and even in the best case scenario one of them is immortal and the other isn't.
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Is it cool to ask for writing advice here?

I'm cobbling together a BDSM romance story, and I'm looking for perspective on what I'm about to bring up:

Is it stupid to worry about what a story looks like to your audience when writing it?

Just using some default names, it's about Jess, a depressed waitress getting seduced by Lindsey, a wealthy businesswoman, into becoming her bondage slave. It's a really simple premise I've written before that was super basic, and the ideas that have gestated as I put together all the plot and worldbuilding and stuff has been "what if two actual people tried to do the rushed D/S romance you see in this kind of story?"

I'm just starting to get hyperaware of how it sounds, which is always a bad place for writing. Part of the backstory is that they were online friends and a dramatic coincidence reunites them, but Jess doesn't know Lindsey is her old friend, so Lindsey is putting on this persona of a flirty, hyper confident domme because she already knows Jess wants that, and Jess is so burnt out from being poor and depressed she just immediately falls for it. They rush too quickly into living together due to some plot circumstance and it eventually becomes a D/S thing, and Lindsey realizes she wasn't prepared for how much work goes into it and scrambles to make it healthy.

So writing it I'm starting to fixate on stuff like "is this an acceptable level of coincidence" and "it's supposed to be unhealthy and get better, but what if it just looks unhealthy and that's it?" and I think that's something every writer goes through, mostly I want to learn how to healthily process it. That self-criticism has led to some good ideas, but I think it's getting to the point of undermining the premise.

If this isn't the right thread for this, could you point me where I should go?
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>>3577842
It isn't stupid at all. I'd even go as far as considering it one of the most important skills a writer should have. Specially in fiction, there's basically two things an author should care about: to tell a good story, and to make the reader feel something about it. And the latter can only be accomplished if you understand how the reader will see the story the way you're telling it.

If you're having trouble second guessing yourself too much, first make sure you understand what you want your story to look like. I think you do already, although it might help to think how an exaggerated version or even a parody of the story would look like, so you can figure out what key points make it work. If you think you're hitting those points but you're still unsure about the result, either get a second opinion from someone you trust (at the risk of compromising your personal vision) or just go the true artist route and be happy if you can at least make a bullshit explanation for the interpretation you like.

>is this an acceptable level of coincidence
Not sure if you're looking for specific advice on these, but this one in particular I've thought a bit about. If the coincidence is part of the premise most of the time you're good. If it's part of the plot development it will heavily depend on the genre, tone and themes of the story. Military drama focusing on the arbitrariness of death in war? Good. Crime novel making a parallelism between the investigation and a chess game? Awful.
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>>3577940
The dramatic coincidence is that both of them live in the same city but met online first on a BDSM forum, and then reunite through a chance encounter. So I started massaging that by having them living in the same city be the reason why Lindsey contacts Jess in the first place; Jess writes lit on this BDSM site , Lindsey (both of them have forum usernames) started noticing it was set in her city and then checking Jess' profile confirms it, so they started communicating, they realize they have a lot in common and Lindsey helps Jess develop her writing a bit (her job is that she's a marketing expert at a book publisher) and they're both lonely people with trouble connecting, so they sort of fall in love with each other just through those conversations. Jess never meets her because she's ashamed of her poverty and eventually her depression gets worse and she stops writing altogether and communicating with Lindsey.

Flash forward two years, Jess is at her waitress job and reliant on her phone to de-stress, and Lindsey happens to be there today, both unaware. Jess drops her phone without noticing, Lindsey catches it and accidentally forgets to return it, and once she's at home se sees the phone's wallpaper and realizes who Jess is.

So the problem here I've been having is that the setup has too many coincidences. They're both in the same city, it was hard to justify why Lindsey would be at the crappy diner Jess works at (though I did resolve this one in writing this out, so thank you for that), and then the plot gets going when Lindsey catches Jess' phone, forgets to return it, and seeing the background makes her realize the truth.
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>>3577842
>Is it cool to ask for writing advice here?
If you come back and post your story, you're in the right thread.

>Is it stupid to worry about what a story looks like to your audience when writing it?
No. Your story should be coherent and enjoyable enough for your audience to read through. It's good too keep that in mind while writing.

>So writing it I'm starting to fixate on stuff like "is this an acceptable level of coincidence" and "it's supposed to be unhealthy and get better, but what if it just looks unhealthy and that's it?" and I think that's something every writer goes through, mostly I want to learn how to healthily process it. That self-criticism has led to some good ideas, but I think it's getting to the point of undermining the premise.
All fiction writers rely on some level of willing suspension of disbelief from their audience. How far you push that limit is up to you. If this is the first work you're trying to publish I'd say go all out. The people who read your work will tell you what's good and what's terrible. Then you'll have a better idea of what to do when you write your next story.
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>>3577940
Thematically, the idea is that they rush into a kinky sex fantasy because they already had an emotional connection that was abruptly severed, so once they reconnect it's back in full force all at once.

Lindsey knows Jess' sex fantasy of being a pet to a mistress from their time online (which is rooted in how badly Jess wants to be loved and cared for having grown up in poverty with absent parents), so Lindsey starts acting as this incredibly confident, knowing, flirty domme because she knows that's what Jess wants (and it's not too far off from who she is, she's just playing it up really hard for Jess), and Jess is falling for it because that's her ideal sexual fantasy. The truth comes out in a big moment, they make love for the first time, and then from there the idea is that they move faster than a relationship "should", but at the pace of a romance novel.

Then Jess gets fired from her job and Lindsey takes her in (since she makes enough money to care for the both of them) and when Jess starts to worry about contributing, that's when Lindsey proposes the idea of Jess living as her pet.

So it starts as this super sexy fantasy both of them are living out after losing the chance before and not wanting to lose it again. It works at first where the fantasy is essentially Jess playing catch up on the amount of comfort she wanted her whole life and it eventually leads to her rediscovering hobbies and passions, while Lindsey has someone she gets to be emotional around since she's unapproachable at work and Jess starts cooking for her. Over time Jess becomes dependent on her validation and Lindsey starts to freak out: it's her fault, and she can't just outright stop it, so she needs to find a way to stop the co-dependency while remaining together.
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>>3577637
A lot of themes and narratives “can” work in a vacuum. But we don’t live in a vacuum, and in the real world we live in, some storylines are overdone and tiresome

>>3577641
Don’t be a paranoid cunt
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>>3577940

So yeah, the idea is "what if you tried to live out a BDSM romance novel in real life?" but from there I don't want it to just be this meta "this sucks" kind of thing, I want to tell this story about two lonely people who got sold something by romance fiction, falling into it because they had a chance to do it and already missed it, rushing too fast to the point of it becoming unhealthy, but then finding a way to keep the parts they want while remaining healthy.

More personally, the idea of "how much does your life suck that you'd become someones property?" is an idea that really intrigued me, but I couldn't keep at it because it had no personality. Then I kept it in the back of my head for a few years, the relationship became more romantic, until now where I think the best way to put it is "these two characters who are more fleshed out and nuanced than they were right at the start are trying to have the same kind of exciting sex fantasy that was poorly defined when I first wrote it like three years ago."

>>3577970
Yeah I think suspension of disbelief is something I'm worried about. It's BDSM romance: it should be exciting and daring, but I was struggling with that part while keeping that grounded "this is actually hard work in real life" thing that's defined the story.

(I've only just started working on the first chapter and most of my concerns have been from shaping the world and premise, so if I can't be asking this stuff without showing my work please let me know)
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>>3577992
>(I've only just started working on the first chapter and most of my concerns have been from shaping the world and premise, so if I can't be asking this stuff without showing my work please let me know)
Shoo!
Go!
Away with you.
Go write!
Then come back and post your story.
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>>3578043
Uh okay so the thing is the first couple chapters are really bent on selling Jess' isolation, or that's the plan. Like things suck for a while before she meets Lindsey, so the romance part isn't there yet.

However, every chapter up until the big reveal is going to have their text messages from when they met online two years prior, and I've written two of those.

So here's a pastebin. It's purely just the two of them talking and it's in-medias res at that, and also I'm still trying to figure out names so for now the sub girl is named Amber. I've made a few others but this is the first thing I really sat down and wrote about this story and it's informed a lot of these two.

https://pastebin.com/GptsEFc0
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>>3578043
Pastebin made me set it to Private so I dunno if that means it can only be seen through links or anything. Maybe I'll find a better place to post this stuff.
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>>3578069
>>3578070
When I say shoo, I mean it!
Look, I don't want to debate a would-be story that right now still mostly exists in your head. Like the rest of us, you only have 24 hours in a day. Stop wasting your time debating "oh-but-what-ifs" of a story that doesn't really exist yet.
Make it exist first.
Put words on paper.
Finish the story.
You most likely won't be satisfied with your first draft. But what you will have is a good basis to discuss it, perhaps here, perhaps somewhere else.
You won't find some magic answer as to how to write a good, engaging story from a few anonymous posters on a 4chan imageboard. So stop wasting your own precious time replying here, and get to writing.

Also, I'm done replying to you until you come back in a few days/weeks with a finished draft. I look forward to seeing your post then. Good luck sister!
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>>3577992
I think the premise and the structure make sense and are pretty well thought, so I'd say you should just worry about actually hitting the points you made and writing the story you described (as opposed to fucking up and unwittingly writing a different story). You really can't go too wrong with this. The kind of things I'd be worried about would be in details most likely best left until you're editing. For example, if I were writing that story I'd want to make the reader subconsciously and increasingly unsettled by their starting co-dependency, trying to mimic Lindsey's developing realization, instead of explicitly pointing it out through more direct scenes. But I wouldn't stress out about whether I'm doing a good job at it until much later. As long as you keep in mind the direction you want everything to go, this kind of thing can always be fixed.

It's kind of painful to give you advice though, I actually have a huge fetish for stories with romanticized co-dependent relationships, which is sort of the opposite of what you're doing.

>>3578086
Somewhat agree, but if she can find a balance between "JUST WRITE" and "JUST OVERTHINK AND NEVER WRITE", one of these days we might be able to discuss another book besides Baru instead of one of our reviewers telling us about the tenth formulaic romance with shit characters and overdone character development of the month.
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>>3578086
I mean that's totally cool and I have been wishy-washy, but I swear I'm not trying to get you to validate my premise so much as balancing developing an idea and draining it of the fantasy fun by preempting suspension of disbelief criticisms.

But, you're right; that's something I can worry about after the first draft.

Mostly I shared that pastebin because it's the only piece of, like, concrete and developed writing I have so far. But yeah, first draft is go as of now!

>>3578088
Oh no yeah no worries, I have overcome that "first draft must be perfect" bullshit that used to plague me and made me give up writing for as long as I did. Every good thing in the story now is one that has been edited and re-edited into the currently purest vision of what I want, and that'll get better too.

>>I actually have a huge fetish for stories with romanticized co-dependent relationships, which is sort of the opposite of what you're doing.

lol, I hear you there.

I don't think there's any way I can't make it co-dependent, it's a D/S relationship between two lonely people. It's gonna be weird, but it's gotta be happy weird by the end for me.

If it makes you feel better, the protagonist finding her happiness will still involve being chained to *something* during the day.

Aight now I'm done, thanks for the perspective, everyone.
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The Mythic Koda Rose by Jennifer Nissley

This book has an age gap romance (38 and 17) if anyone is interested in those. As expected there's no good ending, it's not bad either but the MC and LI don't end up together, it's more of a friendship ending.
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>>3577591
Shit, that's a "good" one. Fuck that noise.
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A few months ago there was a F/F SM story. Starts out as blackmail but eventually moves towards willing submission.

In short, what I can remember, The story starts with the dominant girl blackmailing a classmate by showing her recordings of something she did on webcam.

Anyone have an idea which story I'm talking about?
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What's your most liked/disliked synonyms or euphemisms for female genitalia that authors use?
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>>3578535
I dislike and find cringy as fuck that i have to roll my eyes at each of these
>Wet heat
>clit
>sex
>lips
>intimate area
>bits
>nether region
>genital
>vagina
>cunt
>slit
>twat
>snatch
>mound
>hole
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>>3578590
And which are okay for you?
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>>3578480
I know what you mean, I think it was on bdsmarchive
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>>3578535
Reading it doesn't really bother me unless it's way over the top flowery or just bizarre.
Writing I'm very fussy and and not fond of most of them.
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>>3578535
Pic related is probably the worst I've seen
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>>3578590
>>clit
>>sex
>>lips
Literally nothing wrong with using those.
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>>3578698
I'd like to know this too, just pussy?
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>>3578535
It should fit the characters, what you want to convey, the mood ... don't think there's anything that's uniquely perfect for any case whatsoever.

Either way, since we're on the topic ...
> The country that confronted her, by no means undiscovered but not yet entirely explored, offered more than a charming vista. There were a wealth of folds and ridges and recesses in this delectably intricate geography, each with its hidden delights, and Kris intended to bring her entire arsenal to bear on every one.

I can't quite decide whether it's too ridiculous or not ridiculous enough.
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so... is there a way to like, mass-search through all the epubs and whatnot from the torrent or other places for keywords?
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>>3578779
>flower core
>beaver folds
>kitty slit
>peach canal
>fish hole
>clap trap
>crab nest
>Venus finger trap
>Mariana's trench
>thresher maw
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>>3579096
>Posting men on /u/.

Who's the real flower core now, doofus?
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>>3578590
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>>3579018
Yeah, find whatever equivalent of grep works in the system you have the epubs, then search for "<dc:subject>keyword".
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>>3579309
/g/ meets /u/ meets /lit/
hehe
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>>3578100
Okay so I have good news and bad news.

The bad news is that I'm only just now finishing the first draft of chapter 1, which is seven pages long.

The good news is that the last three hours I worldbuilt the fuck out of the last act of the story and formed all the character relationships and dynamics in my head and then added newer ones to flesh the cast out more. Obviously it will keep developing but I finally have a clear picture in my head of what this story is supposed to be and, more importantly, how it ends.
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One Last Stop by Casey McQuiston

This book is really cool, comfy and cute read without drama or bullshit. I don't have any particular problems with this but I don't think I would reread because I don't feel like there's anything remarkable about it.

It's about a girl that meets another on the train, the cool thing is that the LI is stuck on the train, basically teleported from the 70s.

The characters are interesting (maybe TOO interesting), the plot is creative and there's no het.
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What are some books with an ax to grind? Such as characters going into a rant, a lot of social and political issues being brought up, villains are basically caricatures, etc.
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>>3580869
I usually drop books like that but an exception I didn't mind was Ask, Tell by E J Noyes.
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>>3579309
>grep
zipgrep. Epubs are archives.
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>>3581573
Huh, I used ag and it worked in my pc, so I guessed those archives were handled by default, but now in my laptop it doesn't. Maybe I have something like zipgrep installed and I didn't realize. Anyway, searching for "grep for epubs in my operating system" should give her what she needs.
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>>3581573
>>3581708
I'm dumb, some of the books in the archive have the metadata.opf file out of the epub. So yeah, zipgrep it is.
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Jasmine Throne is pretty boring. have there been any interesting books in 2021?
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>>3582862
Tryst Venom
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>>3582862
I was pleasantly surprised by the winter duke. Had some interesting ideas and well executed and thw main couple were cute
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I really just wish there were more action focused titles. We seem to be getting SFF at a decent pace but I need more stuff that comes from that Sanderson circle like Foundryside, Red Sister and Wexler's stuff. Everything is so heady or super dramatic.
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>>3583027
Trash.
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>>3580476
started it today and really like it so far, thanks for bringing it to my attention
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I'm reading Engravings of Wraith again and I really wish Kiera wrote more books.

It also made me reminisce the old days in this thread when it was considered one of the top /u/ lit, good times.
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>>3574723
Okay since nobody replied I went ahead and took the risk and read it, here is my review:

One of the girls has a non consensual kiss with a dude, which she hates and can't stop it from happening due to bad anxiety issues but that's all for any potential het, the rest is gay.
One of the girl's family's is very nice, especially the mom who is endearingly cringey in the way she asks her daughter lesbian trivia questions in an attempt to better understand her gay daughter and try to make her feel more comfortable.
The other girl's family is shitty but not hyper aggressively homophobic, more controlling than anything.
They're Canadian.
There's some explicit sex scenes between the girls, which are alright but nothing super pervy.

I rate it a solid 8/10, I was hesitant to begin reading lesbian romance novels written by westerners due to the horror stories I see here about characters sucking dick and enjoying it but this worked out well for me.
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>>3584696
>They're Canadian.
dropped
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Almost finished with the second Baru book, and people saying it's the weakest weren't kidding. Kinda lost my interest in continuing with this series. Does she start actually acting like a traitor/monster/tyrant/savant in the third book?
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>>3585988
The third one is a lot better than the second imo. Baru finally hits rock bottom after her long long self-destructive spiral and manages to get back on her feet
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Any butch x femme recommendations? preferably fantasy
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Any femme x femme recommendations? Preferably fantasy or urban fantasy
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>>3574856
If you say fun in the entertainment sense: Fingersmith by Sarah Waters.
Fun in the sense of just laughable: Not My Problem by Ciara Smyth.

>>3575046
Trannies and non-binary bullshit. It also makes me drop it if the fact that any of them are bisexual and that is ALWAYS brought up throughout history.
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I WANT CUTE LESBIANS
NO GAY ANGST
NO HOMOPHOBIA
NO DICKS

Does such a book exist?
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>>3586490
What about space fantasy?
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>>3587154
Mj Duncan
Robin Alexander
Probably some other authors but start with these two
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>>3587154
my bed...
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>>3587154
Angst is the foundation of lesbian romance.
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https://readsrainbow.com/2021/11/book-releases-december-2021
New roundup of upcoming books, anything look interesting to you all?
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>>3589787
I'll probably check out The Midnight Girls and The Coldest Touch.
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>>3589787
Shattersteel sounds interesting, but the author's name sounds familiar and not in a good way. Don't remember why though.
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Does anyone know of any Western/Cowgirl stories with more of an action (or pulpy) setting, rather than the typical homsteading melodramas?





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