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When They Cry series (Higurashi/Umineko/Ciconia) and 07th Expansion series yuri thread

Previous thread: >>3537207
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A couple of previews for the SatoRika R18 doujin which is going to release November 21st, hopefully will be scanned by someone.
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The SatoRika train still seems to be going strong with artists on Japanese twitter, perhaps Meguri will bring further good tidings.
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"Rika begging for forgiveness by licking Satoko's finger scene"
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>>3561317
Does Rena actually love Mion and her sister.
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>>3562578
Ryukishi said that Rena's romantically close to Keiichi in college. This is the same man who claimed that Rika and Satoko's thing somehow wasn't yuri. I wonder if he still believes that.
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I know I'm asking to be spoonfed here, but is there a good/recommended Youtube playlist for the Umineko VN?
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Tomato
>Yurifag, even drawns some yuri himself
>SatoRikafag from the old times
>Somehow becomes the new Higurashi manga artists, probably thinking he will be able to push some SatoRika
>Turns out the whole manga plot is just shipping for Satoko and Rika
How he does it anons?
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>>3562601
Just play it
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>>3562578
Rena loves everyone equally.

>>3562588
Who knows what he'll write next in the next manga about their children or something.
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https://twitter.com/ushinihikalete/status/1451645390294437889
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but a preview for the issue Hoshiwatashi, one of the new future arcs, is being released in was just released today and it contained a little blurb on it describing it, but part of that blurb says something about "Keitarou (who we suspect is Keiichi's son) befriends the children of the former club members".
I think this random JP guy's thoughts on it summarize my anxiousness about that line perfectly, I'm kinda worried about the state of Satoko and Rika in this now, it kinda implies all the club members married randoms.
https://twitter.com/lan_java/status/1453737695272865802
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>>3564775
/u/ posts yuri fanart of canonically straight characters all the time. No matter what happens, we'll keep posting WTC yuri.
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>>3564775
Given the setting, babies don't imply straight.
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>>3564775
>a spinoff of a spinoff that takes place like 30 years later may imply something worrying
>even though satoko and rika are at their core immortal transient beings who are eternally in love with each other

Grasping at straws desu
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>>3564775
I call bullshit, nothing but bullshit.
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>>3564872
I sure hope so, it is a vague line so it doesn't mean anything definitive, it's not like it means every single club member. And besides, I know SatoRika fans wouldn't be the only ones pissed if all the club members married randoms, so Ryukishi would really be playing with fire on that. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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On a more positive note, the most recent manga chapter had some very cute SatoRika
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>>3564840
>>a spinoff of a spinoff
I'm not sure what your point is, this just seems like a desperate, dishonest attempt at diminishing whatever plot impact it may have even though it's very clearly a continuation of the story. It takes place 30 years after the original series and features Keiichi's son meeting the other club members' children. Because Keiichi and the other club members survived, it implies that it takes place after Sotsu, in the Matsuribayashi fragment. If Hoshiwatashi-hen says x married y, that's it, game over.

But it's not like it matters. Whatever Rika and Satoko's human forms end up doing, it won't change the fact that their witch forms transcended the world of fragments and became lovers. Remember that Witch Satoko already left her human body in the final episode.
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Ryukishi spent all of Gou playing with fire for his own amusement, if you may recall. Even before Gou started, he said it was just a remake that newcomers and veterans alike would understand. Cue episode 2 not only revealing that it's 100% a sequel but also spoiling said newcomers about the events of the old Higurashi. Ryukishi literally giggled about this in an interview.

More importantly, he's the one who claimed that Rika and Satoko's relationship wasn't romantic somehow, and there's no way he didn't know that those words wouldn't irk people, joking or not (not that it bothered him at all). I could perfectly see him writing the ultimate asshole move in the new manga and ruin a pairing or two. He legitimately enjoys making his audience suffer.
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I'm sorry because everyone is probably tired of hearing this question, but I dont really have a reliable place to ask this. I'm also not reading the rest of these threads in fear of unrelated spoilers. Now I've waited for the new anime to end to get the best reply I could:
Is there actually any solid yuri subtext whatsoever in Gou and Sotsu? It doesn't have to be explicit as it never is in these stories.

I've been a huge Higurashi fan ever since the original anime (also read the entire manga and even played some of the VN). I wasnt into romance back then, yet I still always thought of SatoRika as a really close pairing. It wasnt that important to me back then... But I wouldn't be exaggerating if I said that yuri is the only possible reason I would watch the sequel now. The original had a perfect ending for me, so I can't bring myself to watch it unless it has that one extra thing the original lacked... some more substantial yuri (I really didn't count Rena's quirk about liking cute things).

Note: I really don't care about behind the scenes stuff. Literally just the anime itself at face value matters.
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>>3565482
>Is there actually any solid yuri subtext whatsoever in Gou and Sotsu?

Yes.
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>>3565105
>If Hoshiwatashi-hen says x married y, that's it, game over.

Why? Satoko and Rika exist on a far higher level than individual fragments at this point, what exactly does this make over? You're acting like their human selves are one half and their witch forms are just another half, but that's not how it works at all. Well, to begin with the continuity here sounds pretty shaky anyway.
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>>3565113
Already knowing Higurashi and watching Gou thinking it's a simple remake but being blindsided by the twist is the peak viewing experience. This was a case of lying for the viewer's benefit.
Unless you actually are a new viewer: then you're SOL; but that's a necessary casualty of the gambit. In that case, though, you should have dropped it relatively early and gone to watch/play the original instead.
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>>3565625
>peak viewing experience. This was a case of lying for the viewer's benefit.
Not in an million years. It was a cheap twist for the sake of a twist. It added nothing to the story, it would have been better without it so we wouldn't suffer through the disappointment of a fake remake.
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>>3565627
But who actually wanted a remake? The original was perfect as is.
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>>3565627
It was just for episode one though. If anything, they didn't lean hard enough into the twist aspect, like two thirds of Gou was scene for scene exactly how it happened in the original.
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>>3565628
>The original was perfect as is
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>>3565625
I'm not talking about whether or not SotsuGou was good or justified itself. Try reading what I wrote in the simple context of the buildup to what was advertised as Higurashi (2020).
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Looks like a handful of people from JP Twitter have banded together and are going to release a fan anthology book of SatoRika art and short stories on Nov 21st.
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>>3564775
Is it really bad news? All of that points towards a bad end world, I feel like it's not going to have Satoko and Rika alive.
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>>3566878
What makes you think that?
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>>3566884
1. the club members are separated, K1's kids meet the club members' kid which implies that K1 didn't see his friends for at least 14 years
2. Rena's kid probably has her surname, which means that she's a single mom
It's a pretty bleak Future where K1 isn't with his friends and Rena didn't have a good ending, I bet that it was a Kagurashi world where Rika and Satoko died.
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>>3567046
Also, natsumi kei talked about it and he mentioned how Satoko and Rika can be together now.
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>>3567073
Link?
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No idea why this artist's uploads are so blurry.
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Some new Mei cards on their way
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Higher quality/no stuff in the way
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Nice. And canon.
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Edits are getting better
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Very unhealthy relationship, and yet, they want nothing more than to be together for all eternity.
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Cucked by herself.
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Are they any substantial proofs that they are both lovers in umineko
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>>3572318
Who, Bern and Lambda? They outright say they are
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>>3572325
Based, more of them please
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>>3572334
I don't have images of their other flirty lines saved
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>>3572336
What a shame. do they have those same flirty lines in the anime?
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>>3572340
I don't know but you shouldn't watch the Umineko anime, it's not a very good adaptation and stops before the full story is covered, you should read the VN or the manga
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>>3572341
Should I read the higurashi vn before?
I recently finished watching the entire anime
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>>3572346
You should anyway cause it's the same kinda deal with the Higurashi anime but not as bad as the Umineko one, but it's not a requirement to reading Umineko, it's very much its own story with just a sprinkle of references
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Manga version
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this is some false advertisement, Passione.
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>what if Hanyuu was a harem protagonist:
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/92378575
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>"Why don't you come along as well, Houjou-san?"
>"Huh? I don't-"
>Rika seduction
>"...Fine, I suppose I'll check it out for a bit."
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Retard sunk everything. Drop it.
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Holy shit the madman killed EVERY ship in one chapter. That's pretty ballsy.
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Can we pretend that the airplanes in the night sky are like shooting stars
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Apparently a bunch of Higurashi artists are deleting their accounts left and right after what happened.
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>>3583316
What the fuck happened?
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>>3583321
Everyone except Rika I think had kids, but with randos so anyone invested in any kind of pairing is pissed off. Ryukishi clearly has stopped giving a fuck and is burning everything down.
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>>3583324
That mysterious blue haired girl might be Rika's kid.
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>>3583304
No. Even hetero ships from the start. Backlash needs to be fucking BIBLICAL, I want merchandise burning. You don't treat your fanbase like this.
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>>3583324
Is this about the new manga? Isn't that just some what-if spinoff in the same vein as Outbreak?
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>>3583331
Where did you get that from? Spinoff or not, it's a direct continuation of the story in the only fragment where everyone survived, the Matsuribayashi-hen fragment at the end of Sotsu. Also Outbreak (the VN) was a joke arc that ended with Hanyuu's deity friends in bondage and Takano becoming Superman, this new manga doesn't seem to be a joke arc at all.
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>>3583293
>>3583304
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>>3583316
ya really gotta stop trying to force this
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>>3583336
What are you talking about? Do you think this is fake or something?
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7622516460?pn=1
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>>3583330
What happened to Rena is honestly the worst, it makes me feel way worse than just losing SatoRika.
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>>3583338
I mean the omg burn everything down doomposting. Literally who gives a fuck about what happens in some doubly nested spinoff in a franchise all about alternate possibilities
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>>3583333
Even if it's not a joke, it still feels more like a "spinof babies" kind of deal than a serious continuation of the story. What's the plot even about?
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>>3583343
New curse somehow
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>>3583340
Fucking over literally every shippers and waifufags from even the start? Unacceptable. This faggot needs lynched or made to apologize.
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>>3583341
I'm not the guy who forced the doomposting. I just said that the new sequel had the characters have kids with complete randoms. If you wanna try to come up with reasons to downplay it in your head then more power to you. Also, all of those "alternate possibilities" are about the characters dying horribly when they're still in school. As far as we're concerned, this the only world where we actually get to see their love life as adults.

Remember, Rika is here and alive, meaning there's no other world going on at the moment where she gets it on with Satoko. It's kind of dishonest to just mention something as broad as "alternate possibilities" to brush off anything that happens here, Higurashi doesn't quite work like that.
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>>3583345
Yeah, I think just ignore this manga, next anime project won't even care about it for sure.

SatoRika are the witches anyway, not the humans. Both moved to a different fragment.
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>>3583349
HOWEVER, this is just about their human selves. Their witch forms apparently can transcend a fragment at any given moment and become voyagers if Saikoroshi-hen and Sotsu are any indication. For all we know, Frederica and Lambda could be together right now in the sea of fragments.
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>>3583349
is the logic of "ignore what is not convenient for me" and "glorify what is convenient for me" things do not work that way with the format, this is still a canon sequel and you can see it as an alternative line, but it changes the fact of that exists and that the yuri part was Umineko.

I never saw higurashi as yuri, I never cared about couples het (that part was too generic for its own good) so the news just doesn't affect me and I'm happy if people suffer because of it.
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>>3583343
Is Digimon Adventure 02 not a sequel because the old cast are now adults and the main characters are now a new generation? Do you think Star Trek TNG isn't a sequel because it features a new cast? By definition, all sequels are spinoffs because they are derivatives of the original product. Calling something a spinoff doesn't really mean anything, and there's nothing that says this isn't a serious continuation of the story.

Honestly, it just sounds like you're trying to cope here against a horrifying new truth.
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>>3583341
Think about it. A fragment is only won if a) Rika uses her looper knowledge to defeat Takano or b) Satoko usese her looper knowledge to make Takano turn herself in right away (and doesn't cause any mischief herself, obviously). Higurashi isn't a Marvel/DC-tier multiverse where all alternate worlds happen at the same time. There's only one world where Rika the looper can be at any time, and this is it, where Satoko married a man and had a kid.
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>>3583361
Takano giving up is just something that automatically happens now, Satoko doesn't have to do anything, but someone still has to loop so it doesn't matter much.
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>>3583361
>Higurashi isn't a Marvel/DC-tier multiverse where all alternate worlds happen at the same time

Yeah it is, this is the whole principle behind the miracle fragment stuff in umineko. Or the fragment viewing puzzle in Ch8. The realities occur in parallel and represent the nearly infinite possibility space. It's not like whenever Rika died a new fragment suddenly gets generated or anything like that. Well from her perspective it seems like that, but in terms of meta she just enters another possibility.
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>>3583359
That's not what I mean, I mean that it feels more like a what-if scenario (what if the mnain cst had kids and the kids relive their parent's experiencesP) rather than Higurashi 2. It feels like an organic continuation and more like an excuse to move the setting to the present day.
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>>3583361
>There's only one world where Rika the looper can be at any time, and this is it
No, Rika the looper has to become Bern and move to Umineko, this isn't it.
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Maybe it's a "what if" like this guy said >>3583377
I'm not that bothered by it.
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>>3583473
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>>3583737
Based.
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What the hell happened?
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>>3584978
Ryukishi released a [new thing]. Shit storm guaranteed no matter what it is.
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>>3584992
Well at the very least it doesn't seem to be a continuation of Sotsu or acknowledge what happened in Sotsu in any way. Ryukishi at least has said Sotsugyou was the next installment of the Higurashi series after the original Rei, so I'm not really sure where that leaves something like this, an extra arc I suppose. I'm still not particularly happy with it, but it didn't mess with the one good thing we got from Sotsugyou at the very least, so there's something I guess?
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>>3584978
The manga taking place in modern times is revealed to star sons and daughters of the main cast with the character themselves as adults shown. R07 took the chance to deny every ship and marry everyone to randos. Not just the yuri ship affected. The het ships, too. So he's burnt bridges with not just yurifags, but also hetfags so a LOT of his fanbase. The only hope is if this manga isn't actually relevant or referenced in future projects and is just an excuse to write a "hpw would Higu work in modern times with modern tech"?
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This new manga is by the same artist who did the Magical Girl Asuka Spec Ops manga. Exactly how much involvement does Ryukishi even have with it? I just find it so weird after everything that happened with Satoko and Rika in both the anime and the mobile game that he would just marry them off to random strangers.

Also, do we have any information of what the new anime will be about?
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>>3585096
We don't really know, he's listed as the author but the term used can also mean "original author" as well but no-one else is listed as an author for it.
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>>3585096
Ryukishi said before that he wanted to do a story about the kids of the cast, so this is presumably it.

Ryukishi's just retarded and single-handedly destroyed an extremely beloved franchise in under a year, first with all the shit that was GouSotsu, and then with this.
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>>3585024
>Ryukishi said that gou is a continuation
Have the source for that please?
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Reminder that BT was the real mastermind behind WTC, not Ryuukishi. Little wonder the series went to shit after he died.
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>>3585197
At least Rei isn't a sequel to Sotsu
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>>3585171
I kinda misremembered it, he describes it in this interview as a "new series" and the "new Higurashi"
https://07th-expansion.fandom.com/wiki/Higurashi:_When_They_Cry_-_New_Interviews
There's also his pinned tweet around the time Sotsu came out where he describes Gou and Sotsu as feeling like the culmination to the original, Kai, and Rei, so it just made me think that with the importance he placed on it when it came out, he's pretty much saying this is the sequel to it
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>>3585129
Also just to reiterate on this point, the translated chapter 0 for the spin-off is out and they translated it to "Original Work: Ryukishi07" not "Author: Ryukishi07", so I really don't know if he wrote this or if he's just credited because he's the original author of Higurashi
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>>3585219
It's probably him but yeah I wonder why all the silence about it and no real confirmation
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Note that Rika doesn't have kids, so this manga could be the catalist that Rika (the witch) will follow the witch that was in Satoko that left at the end of Sotsu to another fragment. This married Satoko isn't witch Satoko, she isn't our Satoko.
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I wish this isn't written by Ryukishi
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>>3585266
It doesn't really matter that much, even if he didn't write it there's no way they released a plot he didn't approve first.
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>>3585274
You could argue that about the gacha or anthologies shipping Satoko or Rika with other characters, I don't care if he approved it.
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>>3585151
>Ryukishi said before that he wanted to do a story about the kids of the cast, so this is presumably it.
Mind citing where he said that?
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>>3585408
>If you connect the two, you get Sotsugyou (“graduation”), which makes me think that maybe this is the final chapter of the Higurashi series…

>R07: No, I don’t mean that this is the end of the series. This time, we were able to create a story that won’t lose to Heisei Higurashi, so I think about it as a milestone, but as I said at the beginning, the setting of Higurashi is very expandable, so if I can come up with something interesting, I would like to do it again anytime.

>That’s a relief for Higurashi fans.

>R07: I might even do a story about the children of Keiichi and others in the time when they have their own families. But anyway, for now, I hope you can enjoy Higurashi Gou and Higurashi Sotsu as much as you can. Since there will be some time left before Higurashi Sotsu airs, it would be good to rewatch Higurashi Gou again, and if you watch the Heisei version of Higurashi, I think you may discover something new.

From an interview back in March
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>>3585456
Welp.
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>>3585456
It feels weird that he drafted this story during or after Sotsu while the story completely ignores it
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>>3585456
Yeah, I think I might just be done with this franchise at this point.

This is like him shitting on over ten years of Lambadelta and Bern as well.
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>>3585719
You're not done with the franchise, you're a liar.
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>>3585801
No, I really am. It actually disgusts me when authors do things like this.

Even if the next anime straight up ends in Satoko and Rika getting married I wouldn't care. Because in the mind of the author it's just something temporary for the characters and that they will eventually break up, or somehow end up with other people.

The other basically sees them as interchangeable parts rather than actual characters.
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>>3585816
No you aren't.
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>>3585829
No they aren't what, autistic anon. The post you're replying to has multiple points in it that you could be addressing.

When you are talking to other people use full and complete statements.
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>>3585831
I know that "he" isn't giving up or leaving because he's whining about it here
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>>3585835
Oh, jeez. You actually are autistic.
Do you really think people can't express view points about how something is bad without secretly still being invested in it?
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>>3585841
I know that he can't.
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>>3585843
What is wrong with you? Because you clearly have more deep seated problems than just autism.

Why did that one post set you off like this?
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>>3585846
Stop replying, it doesn't matter.
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>>3585847
Okay, you're free to stop replying.
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>>3585848
I'm not the guy who's baiting you, I'm just saying, stop replying, it doesn't matter at all.
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>>3585849
You're not baiting anyone, though. You're just shitposting and being autistic.
You're not some kind of retard who thinks "replying at all" means "baited", are you?
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Just shut up, the manga's an alternate universe thing so just take it as non canon if you want to.
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By the way this doujin came out about a week ago, but it's physical only. Hopefully someone may get around to scanning it sometime.
https://www.pixiv.net/artworks/93638835
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>>3585869
That's a massive stretch, but you can think whatever, IMO it's just a different universe so I don't expect Satoko to act the same, she didn't love Rika in Saikoroshi too.
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>>3585886
How is it a stretch at all?
It's literally just saying that the characters themselves are a collective whole coming from the author's mind.
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>>3585898
It's a stretch for Lambda and Bern, they're fundamentally different characters to Satoko and Rika regardless of whatever relation they have to them and also are not human and don't think in human ways. And similarly, I don't think this outcome is a possibility for every version of Satoko and Rika just because it happened in one story, that's not the way fragments work at all, every different fragment has a different potential for any kind of outcome, there's a fragment out there which is "canon" where Rena was the only one to survive the GHD and she's not implied to have married anyone or have any children, people have been talking for ages about how Rena seems "closer" to K1 in some fragments and Mion seems "closer" in others, and stuff like Saikoroshi where Satoshi was always around would have a very large impact on Satoko and Rika's relationship so the outcome of that would be very different too, it's silly to think that simply because in this fragment it's like that every fragment will end up like this, even if the "potential" for it is there in some fragments. I find it hard to believe Satoko who has looping knowledge and has spent 1000+ years chasing after and obsessing over Rika would simply let her spend a life travelling the world and running away from her, after all.
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>>3585909
Exactly, good post.
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>>3585909
>they're fundamentally different characters to Satoko and Rika regardless of whatever relation they have to them
This is a literal oxymoron.
Lamba and Bern are just Satoko and Rikka who have lived longer. And obviously the longer you live the more your mentality changes.

And I didn't say that every fragment would end this way, I said that the author considers it a possibility in every version of the characters.
Because if characters aren't a collective whole of their author's mind, then what are they. It's not like characters can just exist from nothing.

In short, my problem with it is that Ryukishi doesn't consider Satoko and Rikka truly faithful to each other. There's always the potential they cheat on each other or end up with someone else. Because that's what the author says could happen.
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>>3585932
It's not an oxymoron at all, Lambda and Bern are different to how Rika and Satoko act and behave and have never been treated as the exact same characters as them, even if Bern and Lambda may have originated from them. Ryukishi described it himself in a recent interview about Sotsu:
"Q: Is Satoko Lambdadelta?"
"A: I don't think there's a direct connection at that point. As you can see from the flow of the last episode, this may be the root of a story later on. The witch Satoko's personality may drift on the witch world, and maybe there could be a different story in different world."
Note here he's talking about the witch Satoko, not Satoko in general. Not every Satoko is Lambda, just this one particular Satoko from this one particular fragment may end up being the origin of her, which leads us back to the original point, different fragments result in different characters and looking at the Satoko of Sotsu, I don't think she would cheat on Rika no matter what, her mind is so warped by looping that Rika is all she thinks about, so much so that she immediately abandons a "normal" fragment to go chase after her again.
Lambda and Bern exist outside of fragments not as pieces but as witches, there will never be an instance of drastic character change from them because there can't be like pieces within fragments can and as far as we know Lambda and Bern are only interested in one another and only refer to each other as the one that they love.
And honestly, I don't think Satoko and Rika from all the various fragments would be truly faithful to each other depending on the circumstances. If you ask me, I think there's a lot more behind the scenes about this new manga's fragment which is messed up than it appears to be with Satoko's child being a "Hojo" first or whatever, and it should go without saying if Rika abandoned a normal Satoko to go gallivanting around the world, their relationship wouldn't be as close as the ones we love from Sotsu.
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>>3585940
Jesus Christ, please space your posts like a normal English speaker. Your whole post is blurred together like a jumbled mess. And no, "Reddit spacing" is not a thing.

First off, that translation of the interview is bad. When he says "at that point" what he's saying in the original Japanese is "yet". He's saying Satoko isn't Lamb YET.

And no, obviously not all fragments have a piece Satoko that becomes a witch. But that's not the point. The point is that Satoko (someone who Ryukishi thinks would not be truly faithful to Rika) is who became Lamba.

It doesn't matter that Bern and Lamba are not pieces, because mentality can change with time. And the reason we have to think their mentality will change is because Ryushiki himself put the possibility on the table.

Also, yes, NOW there is proof they wouldn't always be faithful to each other. But that's because of the new manga. Which is the issue in question here.
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>>3585947
I hardly think you're the one to talk about being a normal English speaker when you can't even spell Rika or Lambda correctly, but I'll ignore that. The main point I'm trying to get at here is Lambda and Bern are lovers and always have been since they were introduced, and we have no reason to believe otherwise right now because the potential Satoko/Rika they originated from did not originate from this fragment where all of this was happening. Have a little more faith in Ryukishi.
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>>3585947
Also stop changing your IP addresses already you filthy phoneposter.
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>>3585951
One is a jumbled Latin phrase, and the other is Japanese. Literally nothing to do with English.

>we have no reason to believe otherwise right now
Other than the fact the people Lamba and Bern came from are shown the to that type of person. And Ryushiki himself gave potential to the premise.

>Have a little more faith in Ryukishi.
Absolutely fucking not a chance. Why exactly would I put faith in him AT ALL? Especially after all this.
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>>3585954
My phone does that by itself.
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>Ryushiki
Retard does it on purpose to annoy people
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>>3585959
I'm starting to think you're just a shitposter from /a/ who's only here to try and start arguments at this point honestly. Look, Rika has been shipped with Akasaka in the original series before, and that had absolutely no impact on how people viewed Bernkastel and her relationship with Lambdadelta in Umineko, which came AFTER that fact. That right there, according to your logic, should have started this exact same worry, because "oogie boogie Rika has the POTENTIAL to fuck a guy in one fragment so I guess Bern MUST be doing it too now" when we already know that that isn't the case. I don't care about your postulating about how "people change over 1000s of years so they MUST have done it at some point", there's nothing to suggest Bern has and this new story has changed absolutely nothing regarding that fact. If Ryukishi can go the entirety of Umineko itself without once suggesting Bern wants to fuck a guy because Rika had a crush on Akasaka at one point, then I fail to see how this changes anything at all, especially considering this particular fragment's Satoko isn't even the same one as the witch Satoko who will become Lambda "yet". See, that's the point you missed with me posting the interview. WITCH Satoko isn't Lambda YET. Not Satoko, WITCH Satoko, the PARTICULAR one from Sotsu, not this one. WITCH Satoko is obsessed over Rika and has never shown interest in settling down with a man or having a child, she only thinks about Rika. That's the Satoko basis we have for a potential Lambdadelta. Now please, just shut the fuck up already.
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>>3585967
You're the only one starting arguments here. No one is forcing you to reply. And you're clearly the shitposter here considering you think "Reddit spacing" is a thing and that's why you refuse to format your posts like a normal person.

And really all you did was prove the series has always been shit, and that this isn't even something new for Ryushiki. So not only has he shit on the "yuri" pair of the series once, but multiple times.
Which convinces me even more that he'll do it again and that in his mind no version of Satoko or Rikka, witch or otherwise, will ever be truly faithful to each other.

And really, what you keep missing is that Lamba and Bern will always be from the same BASE people. i.e. The most fundamental versions of Satoko and Rikka. You keep trying to talk about this from the perspective of what happened in the series verbatim, while I'm talking about the author himself and authorial intent.
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>>3585981
I didn't say a thing about "reddit spacing" you fucking lunatic. Enough, I've already explained my point in great detail, if you refuse to listen to a very simple explanation of why you're being an overreacting retard, you're deliberately being obtuse. No more replies for you, go bait on /a/.
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>>3585983
>anything I don't like is bait
No. And you clearly think "Reddit spacing" is a thing. Because you refuse to just format posts like a normal person and space out your ideas and thoughts in the post.

You've done nothing but further enforce the idea the series as a whole is just extremely bad, because there are multiple cases of the author shitting on the yuri couple.
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>>3585967
How does this have anything to do with /a/ at all?
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>>3585998
It doesn't matter, I got kinda heated and I apologize. I just simply disagree that this will have an effect on Lambda and Bern, or any other instances of Satoko and Rika yuri Ryukishi may do in the series in the future. Let's just forget about it and keep this thread civil, the more I think about this spin-off shit the more my head hurts.
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I'm a little extra tilted about this whole situation because I just commissioned Satoko x Rika fan art just days before the new manga came out.

And it's not that I really care about the money, it's that I now have a constant reminder of something I don't want to remember.
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>>3586014
I kinda had a bad feeling about this ever since it got announced honestly, it's why I haven't commissioned anything at all since mid-Sotsu. But hey, we just gotta try and look on the bright side of life sometimes, the passion of the community of SatoRika lovers is still burning.
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>>3586024
>author says it's not Yuri
>instead it's a love that transcends gender
>they are based on characters who's known future is that they are canon lovers
I won't say that I didn't get fucked over in this whole thing. But I don't think anyone really expected Ryushiki go go this far.
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>>3586031
Yeah I totally didn't expect it to go this far when reading gou
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>>3585947
>because mentality can change with time
The witches have been around for so long this doesn't apply to them, they outlived time. They aren't gonna change.
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>>3586111
Doesn't matter. Nothing is immune to a shitty author.
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We all got screwed over, let's not pretend the vast majority of fans isn't massively disappointed. Personally I will keep liking the original Higurashi arcs and the nice yuri content that comes out of this fandom, but my opinion of Ryukishi couldn't be lower now. He betrayed pretty much everyone.
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>>3586116
You're overthinking it. This wouldn't fly in an anime anyway, which is the only possible thing Umineko can get now.
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>>3586181
I'm actually not sure how much more simple I could be thinking here.
It's literally just "author = story teller".
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>>3585998
Ever since Gou started airing, there's been a concern troll (presumably from /a/) trying their hardest to downplay and deny all yuri in these threads. From 'gou can't be yuri because the original VN was a het harem' to 'lambda/bern aren't even confirmed to be satoko/rika so you can't use their gayness in umineko as an indication of anything' to 'RIP ryukishi said nah I wouldn't really consider gou yuri in an interview, stop talking about the series' and now the whole 'ugh this dubiously canon spinoff manga takes place in a fragment where the girls married and have kids, burning all my merch rn' outrage is just the latest installment.

I swear I'm not a crazy person, you can check the last few threads and see it firsthand.
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>>3586440
What you say may or may not be true.
But it seems pretty dumb to consider anyone who feels like these recent events taint any possible yuri in the series is a "troll".
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>>3586478
I agree. There’s a difference between being skeptical of the way Ryukishi is handling his characters in the latest installments (especially if you’re an older fan) and people wanting to deny all the possibilities of yuri in this franchise. Personally I’m just disappointed and concerned about the direction this series has taken in the last year. I don’t deny SatoRika is definitely there in SotsuGou. But creating an even bigger yuri fanbase just to shit on their hopes afterwards by making one of the girl marry a man, exactly after spending a year showing how gay she was? That’s irritating and I didn’t even like Gou. I feel like Ryukishi is just making fun of his fans and assuming we’ll still support his works no matter what.
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>>3586031
>>instead it's a love that transcends gender
Don't be dishonest, he explicitly said their relationship wasn't love. He even explained WHY he didn't want it to be romantic at all, because it would hurt the story according to him. He said that people would just think that the solution is simply for them to get married and be done with it. He said that because of this, there was a need for him to make any chance of romantic love "impossible."

Safe to say, he failed extremely hard in whatever type of love-less relationship he was trying to construct, because everyone ended up thinking they're gay anyways. Sotsu's yuri-tastic marketing (including the series' OP) didn't help either.
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>>3586600
I forgot to mention something. Ryukishi's idea about Satoko wanting to live with Rika for all eternity while somehow having zero romantic feelings for her is the most baffling type of relationship I've ever read. What the hell did he think the audience's reaction was going to be if not yuri? Where did his self-awareness and writing skills go?
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>>3586600
>>3586609
But he also said https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2021-09-30/ryukishi07-explains-how-higurashi-gou-and-sotsu-reinvent-the-franchise/.177492
>Satoko and Rika are in similar circumstances in the sense that they have both lost their biological parents, and they had a close-knit, co-dependent relationship. For these two girls on the cusp of puberty, they might have had a wonderful and deeply affectionate relationship, but that excessive love was also tying each other down. However, Higurashi is a story about unity, so I decided not to cast the spotlight on the hidden side of that relationship
And even before that, he claimed SotsuGou were fine for newcomers. Wether it's him going full retard or just liking being dishonest, trusting his word in intervies completely doesn't feel right. Dude is known as a troll who is never completely honest in interviews and likes giving misleading and not completely right answers in interviews
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>>3586600
He didn't say "impossible" actually, his specific wording was "unable to enter a relationship", it was more vague than people try to make it out to be. You could interpret that as impossible and never gonna happen, or you could interpret that as they can't do it just within this story because of story reasons drawing them apart. The rest of that interview you're right, he did a good job of taking a dump on it, but that one particular wording he never used.
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>>3586484
This chapter was a good twist at the end.
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Not the best timing but the digital version of the SatoRika fan anthology >>3566803 is available now if anyone wanted to buy it
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I noticed that all the SatoRika fanart that was usually in my Twitter feed stopped all of a sudden. And now I understand why.
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>>3586815
Business as usual for some
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>>3587034
I'm genuinely glad fan"art" that ugly doesn't show up in my twitter feed.
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>>3587034
Sakiko looks like Satoshi in drag.
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>>3586440
>durr it could only be a concern troll
Shut the fuck up.
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>>3586440
This is true, I noticed it too.
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